Lanzer I'm the podcast host of the SANDDAO which is all about the sandbox DAO
and this is episode 14 today we have Mia Bao is an advisory board member and we will jump
right into it.
The scope of the talk is a meet and greet.
So we're here to to meet Mia and say hello and learn about her and all the things that
she is is is up to and all about and her role on the advisory board.
Thank you so much Lancer for the invitation I'm super honored to be on the show and super
excited to say hello to everybody and enjoy the podcast with us.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you very much for your time.
So me if you wouldn't mind please introduce yourself, your background and how we came
to today.
Yeah for sure.
So basically my name is Mia.
I am the co-founder of Dowbase and also Bcrypto right now and also I am the advisory of the
sandbox Dow.
So basically I started my website journey back to 2017 when I was when I worked in ATBTC
which is one of the largest and oldest large media in China.
So I spent my two years over there and also started two of my shows.
One is called Mia Talks blockchain, a blockchain educational show background and which is also
the one of the most popular educational show in China background.
And another show is called ATBTC Live.
It's a interview show for all of the crypto entrepreneurs and pioneers in the space.
So I have interviewed with many.
I would say some of the big names in the space including CZ, He from Binance, Charlie Li
from Litecoin, Kyle from Multicoin, etc.
So yeah, all of these two shows bring me over a hundred thousand followers on social media
and that's how I started my website journey and then later to the website market agency
that I created myself which is BigCrypto and then later on it's a Dow Advocator platform
and that's basically what I am working on right now.
Thank you.
And you said it started in 2017 with what were the shows called?
So basically I started with ATBTC.
This is a web three like a large media in China.
I've been working for two years and I started the show called Mia Talks Blockchain and ATBTC
Live.
So one is like an interview show and the other is a blockchain educational show.
So A2BTC and then you had Mia Talks and both of them.
Okay and so that brought you across paths with CZ and a lot of other personalities.
Okay.
How about that?
Go ahead.
Yeah that's definitely a cool experience to get started with especially when you have
the chance to talk with the OGs in the space and they are like top entrepreneurs in the
space.
So basically you can learn from those kind of OGs so that's definitely a fun and also
cool experience especially when you are a newbie in the space.
So I think we are I enraged this kind of my experience by learning from those kind of
top entrepreneurs and then like to do something fun and also cool myself on.
So that's basically the journey and also beside that based on all of the shows I gained over
100,000 fans to get started in the community and which will laid out a foundation for whatever
I do in the later.
Yeah.
What a good start.
Okay.
All right.
And so we'll jump into our disclaimer.
We Mia and I do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation.
We are not your legal or financial advisors and nothing we say to be taken as legal or
financial advice.
For the scoreboard.
We currently have two sips right now up for voting.
Sip nine and ten.
Please go vote.
It's having trouble reaching quorum right now.
You need to reach quorum.
Mia posted about a few days ago.
I've been posting about it.
Please review six, nine and ten and offer your vote.
Yes or no.
Just please help reach the core.
And then there are two sips.
Please vote.
Yes.
Please vote.
All this works if we vote.
That's yeah.
Let's get on here.
The foreign.
Yeah.
And then the Dow checkbook is still the same.
We're at one point nine million of fifteen point five million sand.
However, Mia, I saw that when you posted it, your numbers were a little bit different than
mine.
So what I'm going to start doing is adding a slide here from the Dow base, which is fascinating.
I've been waiting for this to pop up coincidentally.
When I when I saw this about a month ago, I was looking at Dow based on AI for the sandbox
and I saw that it came up about a week ago.
So yeah, I'm going to be doing a deep dive into Dow based on AI and how how it shows
a lot of really cool data.
I was looking at last night and the voters and how they voted and I really, really like
their website.
It's really cool.
So well done on on.
And as we'll talk about it, you being one of the founders of it.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, and a key statistic I pulled from that is there's two hundred and eleven thousand
token holders and there is eight hundred one thousand eight hundred and eight voters.
So we'll be doing a deep dive into that in the future.
Let's jump right into the discussion.
So Mia talked about your your background.
So yes, I did see that you started in 2017.
I didn't know it was a to BTC and Mia talks.
So what I saw in your your bio was that you started with marketing and branding.
So you started a to BTC and then later on you founded.
You founded Dow based on crypto.
What's the connection to chain node live?
I saw a podcast you had done some years ago with that.
Yeah, basically before I like it, the BC has a foreign called ATBTC foreign and also plus
a BATBTC media.
And then the foreign later on rebranded to chain.
So that's how it those two brands are related.
And in the first beginning, I had a show called ATBTC Live.
And later on, it had rebranded to chain.
So that's a call like relation.
That's still the same, actually.
OK, got it.
And and what was the rebranding to?
What do they call it?
They were branded to chain node.
So that's also that you just mentioned.
Yeah.
OK.
Awesome.
And so something that I noticed when I was looking at your videos is just how high quality
they were.
It was a really refreshing take to see, especially in some of your videos where you were talking
about the
it was a really refreshing take to see, especially in some of your videos where you would feature
the local where I assume that's where you were.
That's why it was so Shenzhen and Hongzhou.
And that's where the video is shot.
Is that right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because like I travel a lot and because as an entrepreneur, I travel to all those kind
of places and conferences as well.
So basically, I shot some of the videos in Shenzhen, Hongzhou, which part of the mainland
China also shot some of the videos in Hong Kong, Singapore and Dubai.
It depends on like where I bring my photograph to.
So that's and when we have this kind of cool ideas to show the video.
And so especially how in one of the videos you're talking about Dow Insights and as you
were speaking, the shoot would cut to you're in like a shop and you're talking with the
salesperson and I just thought that was really cool.
A very interesting take on how to explain Web 3 and then linking it to the existing
it's called Web 2 but for the real life of it.
And then I watched your a couple of your campfire videos, so that was really fascinating.
How did those ideas all come about?
I think I definitely admire what we have.
I mean, I'm not myself.
I also have my team.
So basically, my team is really innovative and they are passionate about like this kind
of visual creation.
So that's not only the contribution of myself, but also the contribution of a team.
So that's for one thing.
And the second thing in that because we have done a lot of years before and in content
before.
So if we just do this kind of regular recording, it just got a little bit boring for us.
We just wanted to do make something fun and also like to combine the knowledge and also
the casual life together.
So it will like basically give everybody ease when they understand and learning this kind
of knowledge with us together.
And also, I think that's also a new way for wanting the mass adoption and also especially
for the younger people to the space.
So that's what we think of when we're creating the content and videos.
Yeah, definitely.
I think came through well that there was a nice mesh.
There was a nice combination of real life.
And now you're explaining Web3 as you're sitting at a campfire.
And I also watched the one where on Beep Crypto, where one of your teammates was drawing on
a shoe and they drew the smurfs.
So in the same campfire place it looked like.
But yeah, I just thought that was really interesting to touch on is how I think you definitely
succeeded in creating something visually interesting and fun.
So well, yeah, I want to go over that first.
As a fellow content creator, I was very impressed.
I appreciate it.
You know, like.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I mean, this kind of like food is definitely something driving us to like push like producing
more videos and content like that.
So yeah, I would say that's that's that's our like passion coming from.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's awesome.
And so let's start with the road to where we are today.
What would you say that drives you?
I heard you say in an AMA from was it now a few weeks ago when you were doing it with
Seb that you were really interested in bridging the East and Western markets together.
Is that close or what would you say drives you?
I think because like I wear multiple hats right now and that's also a lot of Webster
people, entrepreneurs, well, a lot of hats in crypto space.
So in the first beginning, when I first got started with Big Crypto, it's actually what
like marketing agency bridging the Eastern and the Western market and culture together.
Because we see like I am actually coming from the Eastern industry and market.
Right.
So all of these kind of resources in the Eastern world.
And also like Eastern like the market is a big market, including the mainland China,
Hong Kong, Japan, Korea and Southeast Asia.
Right.
So we do see there are a lot of potential coming out from this kind of market.
But as an international project and also like Webster native project, they need this kind
of hands, especially in the Eastern world.
So what and also for us, for Big Crypto, we have this kind of like, I would say resources
in Eastern projects.
So we do see a lot of entrepreneurs coming out from the Eastern world.
So we're trying to bridge those kind of Webster projects and Eastern markets together to let
the Eastern like users and audience know those kind of projects and the genes in Eastern
world.
So that's the first beginning that we think, OK, we should link those kind of two resources
in our hands together and to make it a perfect fit.
So that's the first beginning of when we started Big Crypto.
And clearly, because for Big Crypto, we actually have many projects growing and also localized
in Asian market, including definitely the sandbox and also some of the portfolios under
Animoca and Arita before they acquired Nike, Big Time and also like some other like Tehran
Avogadchi and many other projects.
We have them to do the localization in Asian market.
So I would say we know all of the founders.
They are awesome.
We just want to tell all of the people in the Eastern world that, OK, there is like
amazing projects and we want to help them to build together.
And that's when women like Big Crypto is born and then we have a lot of projects grow.
And luckily, those projects grow into little cut of giants in their niche market.
So that's super cool for us and also super cool and helpful for all of the projects we
help with as well.
So it's kind of like women's integration for both of us.
Wow.
OK.
And how does that compare against Dowbase?
I've heard that it used to be called the PASS.
Yeah.
So Dowbase is a little bit different story because like we started Big Crypto in the
middle of 2019 and after two years of building, we gathered more and more resources together
and we feel that we are stronger than before at least.
So we feel that we can do something more and also do more contribution into the space.
So in the middle of 2021, we started Dowbase.
Dowbase is the AI driven aggregator and data analytical platform.
And the like the reason when we started to do Dowbase is firstly, before we started Dowbase,
we formed an NFT collected DAO called Will Members.
So we basically pooled some of the funds together and to invest NFTs as a DAO.
So at that moment, we feel the power of the being a DAO because we grow the treasury from
one million to over a hundred million in the later 2021.
So that's actually an amazing milestone for everybody in the community.
And I will feel, wow, DAO is amazing because we can do this and gather all the resources
together as a DAO as a community.
And then we felt, yeah, we should do something within the DAO space and do some tooling to
help all the people to build their own native DAO.
So we felt that we can do that and we feel responsible to do that.
So we started a DAO based platform.
And also we see a lot of really smart entrepreneurs doing the same thing as well.
For example, Avogadji, they have a very vibrant DAO and also YGG, which is one of the projects
we helped with before.
They also have Gingild and Gingild is a community and also a DAO at the same time.
And then later on, the sandbox also launched a DAO.
So we feel all of these smart entrepreneurs pouring their project into a DAO format.
So we feel, yeah, we are really bullish in this kind of direction and we are glad that
we have had a lot of projects to standardize the DAO process and later on to offer them
this kind of comprehensive data dashboard for them to lower the threshold for everybody
to enter into the DAO.
So I would say that's the journey, how we actually to bridge from Bigwebto and then
to a DAO niche market.
So that's our a little bit story and background between those two.
So interesting enough, I also recently joined the whale members.
What's your...
Oh, amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
And because they own quite a bit of land in the sandbox.
So I reached out to them to meeting Nightmare and Wes and Mongoose and the whole crowd.
It sounds like through one of the interviews that you had with Seb a little while ago that
you were your friend's associates with Whale Shark.
Is he a founding person of the whale.me group?
Yeah, I mean, Whale Shark is definitely the NFT mentor for me.
So when we first got started with Bigwebto, we are really into NFT industry and metaverse
gaming, crypto art, et cetera.
And Whale Shark is one of the first person that we interview in the NFT space.
And he just liked the talk with us in Asia market.
And he just asked us if you guys want to get a participant in the whale community, want
to be a part of it.
And I said, yes, we want to get a part of it.
So that's how I got started with the journey and started with Whale Shark.
And still, I am the founding member of Whale members.
Still, we do a lot of stuff for whale community, especially in Asia market.
And we have the whale with all those kind of stuff like for Asia market, token listing,
and a lot of stuff related with that as well, like art, exhibition, auction in Asia market.
So I'm still one of the founding members of Whale members.
And glad that you joined the community and have the connections with Nightmare.
They are really nice, super nice, super friendly.
Yeah, I attend their Twitter spaces each week on Tuesdays now.
I just started.
Yeah, I mean, I mentioned this to Nightmare about the same was going on at launch, that
we should participate in this kind of journey because whale community owns over 1,700 lands
within the ecosystem.
If we are not participating, who will be participating?
And the lands also have the voting power within the ecosystem.
So when I know Sab is launching a doubt, I just told Whale Shark and Nightmare immediately
that we should participate aggressively.
So yeah, it's super cool.
Yeah, I've been slowly like just last week or the week before, I spoke with Wes and Mongoose
in the Tuesday Twitter space, the natively digital, what they call, and we spoke all
about the Dow.
And we spoke quite a bit about the sandbox Dow.
And as I think I understand it, they're waiting for the delegations to pop up before they
try to vote.
So I'm still working that out with them.
But also I'm trying to get them on an interview here in a podcast.
Amazing, amazing.
And as for the delegation, actually, so firstly, Snapshot has the function of delegation.
So actually, we can go to the snapshot for the delegation function directly.
And the secondly, for Dowbase, we also have a members page.
Now for every member page, there is a delegation button.
You can also delegate your basically lands, assets, and tokens through this kind of function
at the same time.
And the last part is that we also know the sandbox Dow team is also looking for a solution
for that.
So I think this will be solved very soon.
Good, good.
I'm happy to hear that because we desperately need quorum.
And I really want to reach out.
I really want the whale members to know how to vote as well.
So I'm working on it slowly.
Yeah, the Dow is working on that.
And I just let the Dow know this kind of idea that we definitely need delegation function
in day one.
The Dow is born.
But I mean, the Dow is working on that.
And it is a top priority within the Dow right now.
Yeah.
Okay.
And where would you say that your crypto journey began?
I actually began my crypto journey in ATBTC, as I mentioned.
It's like, oh, that was the start of it.
Okay, okay, got it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but I actually, that's like 2017, right?
When I had my like, three year study in ATBTC.
But I actually, like one year before, when I still in college, I bought a little bit
Bitcoin by accident.
So basically, I learned about this concept of decentralization in college.
And one of my friends told me a little bit of knowledge about Bitcoin.
I bought a little bit about Bitcoin.
And later on, like a year later, the price just sucked like a ragged.
I don't know why this kind of become.
So I started to learn after the price surge.
And I found there are some amazing companies in my country and area.
So I just participated in one of the companies later on.
Got it.
Yeah, no, makes sense.
Makes sense.
And remind me one more time, you're your chief partner at Whale Members.
And what are some of the things that you do for the whale community in the Asian market?
So in the first beginning, there are actually five to actually five chief partners of whale
community.
So each chief partner is kind of like a leadership in different direction.
For me, I am the chief partner for the Asian market and partnership.
So for like, Asian market is our expertise for me and also Bitcoin.
So we handle everything related with Asian market.
That's for one thing, including content creation, marketing.
That's for one thing.
And the second thing is that we have to with a token listing.
So we always like listed in Huobi, Kucoin and many other exchanges.
So that's also handled by us.
And the third part is partnership.
So we do a lot of partnership with the, like, for example, the Poly Auction, which is the
number one auction house in China, and also Yongle Auction, which are the second largest
auction house in China.
So we helped with those kind of partnership and also exhibition, auction, touring, and
also like buyer acquisition side.
So yeah, we helped a lot with the partnership side at the same time.
Oh, makes sense.
Yeah, I noticed that the whale token is on so many different chains and Polygon and Ethereum
and others.
So that was interesting to see.
So you're the reason, one of the reasons why that's like that.
Oh my god, I want to see Whale Shark be definitely the soul of the community and the project.
We just like helping them to make it happen.
I haven't been able to meet Whale Shark yet, but I look forward to saying hello in some
way.
Yeah, Whale Shark is the nicest person in the space.
And also, he's one of the like most smartest person in the space as well.
He's definitely the man for me in the space.
Is that interview that you conducted with Whale Shark Steel online?
Yeah, I think so.
Because I did like interview with him for multiple times.
I can share the link with you like later.
I would love to.
I somehow did not find that and when I was researching to look at your videos.
So shame on me.
Oh, no, because like some of the videos are actually conducted in text.
So I think that's part of the reason you didn't find it.
Yeah.
Okay, got it.
All right, so let's get a little bit closer to the DAO.
So DAO base, I found out that your numbers had slightly different numbers than mine.
So you had that we had 2.02 million sand and 500,000.
How does DAO base pull its numbers together?
Actually, we summarize all of the like, I would say, outflow of all of these kind of
proposals.
So we like do calculations and combine them together.
I think your number is like 1.9 million or something like related with that, right?
Yeah, I think because like our numbers is not that it's pretty similar.
And I think the reason it's a little bit different is that we do the calculation based on the
because the calculation difference, for example, some of the proposal, they are actually asking
for the euros and for the dollars, right?
So they are not asking for the same tokens.
So I think we did a little bit calculation over there.
And the price of the same token is like a little bit different like every day.
So that's one of the reasons.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Like the latest one that asked for I think it was it was 337,000 pounds, I think.
So then that that okay.
All right, I get it.
Yeah.
Oh, well, it makes sense.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Okay, so our conversions might be a little different.
Good, good.
But I think either raise up a question actually, and also a problem for a within the doubt,
because like, if there will be like transparency dashboard for every like payment is getting
like executed or is getting done, that should be a like on chain link related with the proposals
or something like that.
So everybody can actually check how much of the tokens or tokens or price getting paid,
no matter through the same token side or through the USDT side.
So we can actually document all of the exact amount of the tokens and assets and the combined
together.
So it wouldn't be any like confusion about that.
But let's see, is there really good question to let the down know about this?
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Now let's roll into the advisory board.
So what would you say?
How?
How did you first come to to be asked to be served to serve on the advisory board?
Oh, yeah, because like, me and Sebastian has known each other for a long time.
We started with the corporation.
Sebastian.
Oh, Sebastian.
Okay, got it.
So yeah, me and Sebastian has known each other for a long time.
So basically, we started the cooperation, I think, like four to five years ago, because
like Big Crypto is also the Chinese market agency for the sandbox.
So we keep having this kind of partnership and cooperation for a very long time.
And then later on, like Sebastian told me that the sandbox is going to launch a doubt.
And also, I know that Yasu, the founders of Animoca Brands, he's really bullish on that
as well.
He's kind of like putting every portfolio of projects into a doubt.
So I know this is a pretty, they're pretty bullish on this kind of doubt direction.
He brought this kind of up to me that the sandbox is going to launch a doubt.
And I told him, actually, we have been working on the doubt space for almost three years,
because that basically started in the later 2021.
I bring this kind of idea to him that actually we have been working on this for many years.
And I show him the product.
He is pretty surprised about how like sophisticated and how mature the product is.
So he told me, yeah, we are looking for the other masteries.
Are you interested in being a part of it?
And I just said yes to it.
So I think he felt that we can bring the actual value, especially in the doubt side and also
the data side to help the sandbox doubt to be a better doubt.
So that's why he asked me to join, I believe.
Okay.
And you said that you started Deep Crypto with Seb four or five years ago, or is that
doubt based?
Actually, so that's the amazing thing that we do a lot of things together.
So in the first beginning, we just do the partnership between the Deep Crypto and also
the sandbox for the marketing side, especially in the NFT side.
And later on, we started doubt based.
Actually, I never mentioned this to Sebastian that we're actually doing something related
with doubts, because I'm not this type of person to wholesale my product, especially
to the coolest clients and friends.
I just want to do my stuff and if they feel it's cool and they want to interest in it,
they will definitely ask if we can do partnership together or something like that.
So I never brought this up to them because they are not related with doubt stuff like
before.
And then later on, when they have this kind of idea to launch a doubt, so I felt, yeah,
it's related.
And I should tell him that we're actually doing some cool stuff in this kind of space.
So I tell him and clearly he likes it.
So it's really amazing and it's really lucky that we can start this kind of partnership
again, not only in the marketing and not only in the NFT side, but also in the downside
at the same time.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So you're connected through many, many years of knowing each other and then you're cross
passing together on a lot of joint projects that you want to work on.
Yeah.
I mean, I think this just came naturally.
They are doing doubt stuff and we are doing stuff.
It just came naturally and that's cool.
Ka-Ching verse said, how about Mia now?
I know I receive a lot of repass about this probably one day.
Yeah that's interesting.
Ka-Ching verse also said as a just unrelated that they're having difficulty connecting
their wallet to a DAO based AI.
So just FYI for you.
That's something I haven't yet.
I want to get my DAO badge.
So I haven't done it quite yet, but I want to.
Amazing.
So what would you say is your motivation for joining?
You said you wanted to make the sandbox DAO better or was there something else as well?
Yeah I think because we have been in the space for, especially for the DAO space, we have
been in the space for three years and from the DAO based side, we've developed a system
to standardize the DAO process and also how to evaluate especially for the health state
of a DAO.
So we gained a lot of knowledge about DAO for the past three years and DAO based has
covered over 160,000 DAOs, six millions of voters data on the platform.
So basically we know everything like popping out like every day I was in the DAO space
no matter for the DAO side, proposal side, the contributor side.
So I feel that we can actually bring this kind of DAO expertise and also knowledge into
the sandbox DAO.
Comparing to other DAOs, we are more sophisticated and mature, especially in the data side and
the DAO side.
So we definitely want to firstly to make the sandbox DAO stay and maintain in a healthy
state according to the data side and also the output and for the budget to allocating
to the contributor side.
So that's also why I keep calculating the like the output of the sandbox DAO because
we want to maintain it in a healthy state.
And also like that's for one thing, we definitely want to provide this kind of data support
for the sandbox DAO to make it a healthier and to make it a better.
And the second thing is that we want to help the sandbox DAO to incentivize the like the
solid and top contributors within the ecosystem.
So if you basically look at the database product and dashboard, you can see a column that combining
all of the voters within the DAO.
So according to different data dimension, including the voting power, delegation, the
votes, proposals, and many other data dimension as well.
So basically we want to like basically reimburse those kind of voters and contributors within
the like within the ecosystem.
Because for right now, one of the like most challenging stuff within the DAO space is
a lot of people don't want to participate in the DAO and it's pretty hard to reach the
quorum and to raise up the voting power, all of this kind of stuff.
By having this kind of incentive system within the community and within the ecosystem, I
think the sandbox DAO can definitely excel better than any other DAOs in the space.
So that's something that we want to create and help as well because the community is
the top priority.
The voter contributors are the top priority.
And we need to let the country know that we value their data, value their contributions
and value.
Odyssey, those are the things we want to contribute into the sandbox DAO to make it like healthier
and also better.
Yeah, and one of your videos from last year when you gave the DAO insights, the campfire
one, you mentioned that there were three big type of DAOs that you were tracking to.
There was a collector DAOs, service DAOs, and I'm trying to find the first one was the
biggest one.
DeFi DAOs?
DeFi DAOs, yes.
And would you say that sandbox is a service DAO?
I think the sandbox is more like an empty centric DAO and also the creator DAOs or service
DAO because it's a combination of both together.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So a combination of both.
And now, so clearly you have that deep expertise and you want to bring that to the board.
What so far has been your role on the advisory board?
I think for my role, we are doing the first, Odyssey, we have different milestones for
me and also DAO-based participants in the advisory board.
And right now we are doing the first milestone, which is to provide the basic data to the
sandbox, including, because right now you can see that the sandbox DAO is already live
on Galvest.
So according to the dashboard-
I have it shown up on stream right now so everyone can see.
Yeah.
So basically we cover the basic information, the treasury balance and the historical changes
of the treasury, the proposal, the votes, and also the contributor page.
So we're providing this kind of data to the sandbox DAO and the reporting within the advisory
channel regularly to inform if all of the data will actually have an impact into the
progress of the DAO.
So that's something that we do regularly.
And also we have this kind of regular call with Serial, the DAO leader of the sandbox
DAO to report any feedback from the DAO, from the community, and also from our community
at the same time to see if there's any improvement for the DAO.
So you just mentioned in the first beginning that to wait the delegation feature to be
implemented into the DAO, actually we bring this up since day one.
So we do give a lot of feedback and also the buses from this part as well.
And another thing is that we also check the industry data and also the proposals data
to report it to the sandbox because doing your own thing is one priority and also analyzing
how other people do, how everybody else is doing is another priority because to learn
and also to have this kind of reflection system is also important.
So we will provide this kind of industry data to the sandbox DAO at the same time to basically
to compare and also to analyze.
Okay.
And Kachinda verse asked in the chat, same question I had a little bit, token holders
which was 211,000 and the explanation says it refers to the sum of the numbers of DAO's
NFT governance token holders and Kachinda verse asked, is that the number of individual
wallets?
Yeah, individual wallets.
Okay, got it.
I mean, yeah, it's not related with our delegations because like our delegation, because we are
just checking the assets under like actual wallet.
So if there's a delegation, we have a different mechanism to calculate those kind of delegation
wallets.
So that's a little bit different.
Got it.
Okay.
And so you have a regular call with Serial to report the statistics and to help bring
that data to the DAO.
Okay.
Okay, great.
Then that tweet the other day was the first time that I had seen.
I actually saw when I looked at it about a month ago, and I saw that Sandbox wasn't up
yet, your tweet reminded me to go back and look and that's when I saw that it had been
added.
So please, if there's a way for you to send more tweets like that, I think that's hugely
helpful because all I've been doing is just sending my little scoreboard and my little
checkbook.
But you've got a whole aggregator that is way more powerful than what I can do manually.
Oh my God.
Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that because for that tweet, I receive a lot of welcome from
the community.
So that's definitely a motivating moment.
So I think I will post more content related with the Sandbox, especially from the data
side.
And also when you basically reply to the tweet and check your spreadsheet you made, that's
amazing work as well.
And I think we can bring those things together to see how we can combine the dashboard and
also the manual work together because after the dashboard, we definitely need some of
the report.
So I think we should bring this together and see what we can do together.
I'm a data enthusiast.
I love the data.
That's amazing.
The data tells you so much and can help you make good decisions.
And so I think that's what I hear from you is you want to bring the data so that the
community can make good decisions, so that Serial can make good decisions.
I love it.
Exactly.
So I've added a DAO-based slide from now on to go after my checkbook slide that will show
some of the key parts from Sandbox DAO on DAO-based.ai.
But I would love to reach out to you and see if we can combine some efforts there because
what you have is very impressive.
I love what I'm seeing.
So I was going through yesterday the voters on DAO-based.ai, see if I can find it.
Oh, it's here under the members column.
That was hugely important.
When I was looking through down the bottom, you can start to see the wallets and what
is their voting power.
Okay, so this one is probably almost definitely going to be the sandbox because they have
about 27 million voting power.
So that's very close to them.
And they have not been voting, which true to their word, they said they wouldn't since
they accidentally voted for SIP 2 or 3.
But then you have all the other ones, cyberkongs.
I didn't know they had 3.5 million voting power and they've only voted on one.
So now I know I got to reach out to the cyberkongs community to see if they would consider voting
because they now see that now because this.
Yeah, that's cool.
That's so cool.
That's a charm and the beauty of the data, right?
Everything's like naked in your eyes, right?
So that's cool.
Yeah.
So I would love to work together on that.
So over now back to, did you have any input on the constitution or the incorporation documents
for the sandbox now?
Yeah, as for that part, unfortunately, we are not contributing.
But I think that is done by another amazing team.
And they are like right now the operational team of the sandbox.
They are doing really amazing job over there.
I think the sandbox never made it without the help of them.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah, totally agree.
And so now that you're on the advisory board, I heard from Loretta, who we talked to about
a week or two ago, that there is no set meetings, but you're all constantly talking to each
other in different group chats.
Is there, do you see any need or desire to meet with the advisory board to do something
or to start something?
You mean like, do we need any like conversations between, any kind of communications between
the advisory board members or like privately or in public?
Probably in public, because what I think the DAO, the sandbox community was confused about
in May 28th when the DAO was announced was what exactly does the advisory board do?
And now as Loretta has started explaining, and as you're explaining, it looks like what
the advisory board has been doing is you've been talking in the chats, but each of you
has your own expertise that you bring to the table and it doesn't seem like it's coordinated
anyway.
Is that intentional where you're not coordinating amongst yourselves or is there no need to?
I think that's temporary because like when you first started with the sandbox DAO, there
are a lot of things to do, especially for the DAO operation team.
So I think we haven't been really coordinating that kind of intensively in that because it's
the only stage of the sandbox DAO launch.
So right now we are just doing our like part-write and the sandbox operational team is connecting
to us like individually, but we also have a channel that we can talk to each other and
are giving the feedback so everybody can hear the feedback and talk within a private channel.
But I think the sandbox DAO, especially I think Sebastian is really good at to gather
all of the talents together and to let them showcase the skill sets and then to make the
entity and to make the DAO better.
I think that's what Sebastian and the team is really good at.
That's definitely the good thing, but I think what you mentioned is very also important
as well.
So I think what we are doing right now is like Sebastian and also Cyril, they are doing
this kind of regular like Twitter space and podcast in different niche markets.
So like I think like two months ago, we just did with Sebastian and also Cyril in Asia
market with the launch and also concept of the sandbox DAO.
And also also like the advisory board is doing the same thing in their niche market or their
like local market with the sandbox team together.
So I think that's something we are doing in public to explain what we are doing and what
is the vision and the value of the sandbox right now.
But yeah, as mentioned, it's just temporary.
It's just the first stage.
And then for the second stage, the third stage, I think there were definitely more interactions
between us together.
Okay, got it.
Got it.
And what would you say?
So elections, re-elections are scheduled for December of 2025.
What is it that you think, what is it that you're excited to achieve before we reach
that point?
I think for myself, we have like several milestones and also goals from outside.
The first one is I mentioned that we want to provide the industry of data and also the
specific, the sandbox data to the DAO to make a better decision and also the data dashboard.
So that's something we are contributing right now.
And the second thing is not achieved yet, but it's also in the pipeline and that we
want to create this kind of accountability system for the DAO because like allocating
the funds to the people is one thing and within the DAO to allocate the funds wisely to the
people and to the right people is another thing, right?
So we are like encouraging the DAO to create this kind of accountability system to check
the proposals, the progress of the proposal, the project, and also to have this kind of
proposal file profile to check the proposals and their updates about the proposal they
created.
So I think that's something that we are pushing to the DAO right now and hoping that can actually
help the DAO and also the contributors to make a better decision after like the first
period of time.
So that's the second thing that we are trying to do and creating to the DAO.
And the last part is to incentive the people, especially the voters and contributors within
the legal system and to make it right and to make it better so there will be more involvement
with other people to participate in the DAO.
So that's the part that we want to contribute.
I would say after the next election, we hope to look at those kind of three goals that
we promised and to see if everything is achieved and is anything improvement with the DAO that
actually coming from us.
That is impressive.
I am excited to hear that you're looking to, I think I heard you say make a data dashboard
out of the industrial data that you want to.
Would that be available on the Sandbox DAO's website or on DAOBase or where?
We are thinking to create a, I'm not sure if we can push this to the SandboxDAO.com
domain or something like that.
It's a negotiating period.
But I think at least we can do something related, like a little bit separate to ways of the
DAOBase and also the Sandbox DAO.
Probably have a separate domain also like the Sandbox DAO community or something like
that.
So this is actually community-driven and the country built into the Sandbox DAO.
That's just the idea.
This is the first time I've heard of this.
I love the idea.
That's exactly what I would, I think that's awesome.
That's exactly the sort of thing that I would want the community to have.
And for myself, when I make decisions on voting and when I write, I've written four, five
SIPs already and I'm writing many, many more and having this data here from DAOBase.ai
and then having our own dashboard for the Sandbox DAO would be hugely helpful.
It will be so helpful.
Oh my God.
I just love this kind of feedback.
That really matters a lot to us.
Yeah.
There were some things I was looking through here.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is great.
If I had it, yeah, I definitely want to, I want to work with you and your team.
Whatever you would like and that, but I had some things as I was looking at this, like,
oh my gosh, this data is great.
There'd be, if I could have this piece of data and this piece of data, then it would
give me the value for the decision that I'm making.
And then an accountability system and a proposal profile.
These are some really impressive things.
And what would you say is something that we can do to help you achieve those goals?
Because this is nothing but a goodness for the DAO.
Yeah.
I mean, like, actually before we are having this kind of meeting together, I have to say
I love your content and also the way you do all of the data and spread it together.
I think that would be something, especially when we create, I mean, like for an accountability
system, we are hoping this is actually community driven.
So actually we can do this kind of proposal together and to see how we can actually do
our roles and contributing into their skills.
Because for the DAO based side, we are really good at building the product, providing the
data.
Probably from, like anybody within the DAO community, for example, you are really good
at content drafting or the data summarizing or something like that.
We definitely welcome anybody who is interested in this kind of accountability system to just
tell this kind of proposal together with us together.
And we can do this as our DAO, right?
Okay.
So that would be super cool.
My background is in some serial entrepreneur, but I have a professional expertise in proposal
writing and contract negotiations and content creation is something that I fell into naturally
as wanting to share.
I just want to share, like I want people to hear your story and hear the goals that you
have because of your expertise.
I want people to hear Inomoja.
I want people to hear Anthony Chow.
I want people to hear Yatsu and Seb and Cyril.
I want people to know who the community is and know each other so that we can all make
decisions and work together.
That's what this is all about.
It's not that I'm great at.
Exactly.
I mean, that's the charm of being part of the community.
You are just made the right person within the community and naturally, right?
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
I do like having these conversations because we're learning and we're learning from you.
And then as you say, hey, this is what I'm looking to do and well, we can also do it
this way.
That's the community at work together.
So I'm excited for that.
I would love to work with you and your team and I'm sure there are other people in the
community who would love to as well.
So I'll think about that.
Maybe I'll post something in the forums to try and gather a team of people who really
want to help as well and we'll find something to do.
Definitely.
Yeah, let's do this together.
So work together to improve upon the data brought to the DAO and what else we can do
to involve the community.
Okay, great.
And so we kind of touched us on this a little bit, but I wanted to ask anyways, are there
any opportunities specifically that you're looking forward to within the sandbox DAO?
Anything we haven't spoken on already?
I think because we have this kind of expertise in the DAO space and we actually see that
even though DAO is not the hottest buzzword in the market right now, but we actually see
thousands of DAOs rising up every week.
So we definitely, through the data set, we know DAO is something that will be a big thing.
And also all of these major like native webstreet projects, they are embracing the DAO format
all the way.
So we feel that DAO is actually something and the niche market, all of the community
members can actually contribute and actually can actually earn the money and the funds
from the DAO and from the treasury.
So I think for everybody who is participating in the DAO, DAO is not something you, it's
nothing related with you or something like that.
It actually is.
Like there are a lot of people actually like earning sound the profits within the DAO and
actually contributing their skill sets into the DAO.
So I think it will be really good opportunity for everybody to work in the DAO, work within
the industry of notebooks, right?
So work for yourself.
So I think the sandbox DAO is definitely one of the really great opportunity because the
sandbox is a top metaverse project and it's just the right moment to participate in this
great project.
Yeah, absolutely.
I agree.
And what would you say if people wanted to work with you, whether it be through sandbox
DAO or anything else, what's the best way to get in touch with you?
I think the best way to get a connect with me because all of my social channels are open.
Feel free to DM me through ads, through for cashier and also Discord Telegram.
You can go to basically if you go to the symbols.channel or in the database channel, you can just
find me through the handle with me, la la la.
So basically you can DM me like in every channel.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, it's similar to what I did.
I just added you in.
Yeah, exactly.
And all that are X now.
And yeah.
Cool.
So that's my, those are my discussions, questions that I wanted to talk about.
There were two more that Kachinga verse, by the way, thank you Kachinga verse for your
question.
These are really nice.
How do you see that we can get more voters?
Kachinga said that he doesn't, he or she does not believe, they don't think that enough
people believe in the Dao.
They believe, Kachinga believes in it, but it's unproven and not enough people are listening
to the channels that we're in that would reach the voters needed to reach quorum and stuff
like that.
So what are your thoughts on how we get more voters?
Actually, this is pretty common within the Dao space.
And also is one of the largest challenge within the Dao space at the same time.
So I think the first thing we need to solve is a delegation function.
For every sophisticated Dao and mature Dao, we have seen all the data.
The delegation rate will raise up to 7% or even 80% of the whole voting power system.
So right now, the delegation.
Wow.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
And yeah, I know, like for every sophisticated Dao and mature Dao, that's a status quo of
all of the sophisticated Dao because everybody is lazy.
So they just want to delegate the voting power to the people who actually contribute into
the ecosystem.
Right?
I mean, it's normal.
And so we should solve in that firstly, to have this kind of delegation function to be
built right away and it will improve the status quo of the Dao voting and participation.
So that's for one thing.
And the second thing is to remember to reimburse and incentivize the top contributors and top
voters.
So like before, like you placed them on Uniswap, they did not give any dividends to the governance
users.
So they started this year to give back the dividends to the governance users and the
voters.
So it definitely boosts the participation of the voting rate.
I think that's something we should do together as well to evaluate who are the top contributors
and voters within the ecosystem based on different data metrics and then to reward them with
some of the, I don't know, the same token or any other utilities as are like top contributors.
So yeah, so that's something we should welcome at the same time.
Yeah.
And Kachinga had a follow up, which was, do you feel that the voting power being so the
way that's allocated right now, do you feel that that's also a symptom of this?
And he gave the example that SIP 7 had 380 voters, which accounted to about 7.17% of
the total voting.
Oh, sorry.
Can you pardon the question?
Oh, no problem.
So there were 388 voters for SIP number seven.
So that SIP was about...
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So the Alba says that there are 1808.
So that is 21% voting for SIP 7.
Would you say that that's also a symptom of the size of people's holdings of the sand
and land?
Oh, I'm not sure that I got the question.
So you mean that it's a sign that the voters of the sand and also the lands are not equal
to participants because the ratio of it is not that high?
I think so.
Kachinga, if you wouldn't mind maybe explain your question a little bit more.
It felt clear to me until you started asking those questions because now I'm not sure what
was meant by the voting power as a symptom.
So we'll wait for that for Kachinga to clarify.
But when I was doing the calculations there, and for SIP 7, there were 388 voters.
And your Dow-based measures, there are 1808 voters.
So if I divide one number into the other, then that means that we have about 21% voter
participation.
And you said, and I think I heard you say that it's actually normal for quorum to be
an issue.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's normal for the status quo of the Dow right now because we are trying multiple
ways to improve this kind of participation rate.
And before we implemented it with anything, I think it's normal so far.
Okay, got it.
I did not know that actually, I thought, because normally when I'm in like Bulls on the Block
or Whale members and Mocha versus Hall, when they talk about the 8-point Dow, and sometimes
they talk about other Dows, but mostly the 8-point Dow, it doesn't seem like they have
issue with quorum.
So that was the only example I had, but you said that is actually an issue across multiple
other Dows.
Yeah, because for 8-point Dow, because they have been running the Dow for over a year,
and the sample search is just getting started.
So that's definitely a basically time gap between those Dow.
And 8-point Dow has been a little bit more sophisticated and mature than the sample Dow,
that's for one thing.
And the second thing is that actually the delegation rate of 8-point Dow is already
like over 70%.
So there are a lot of voting powers delegated to the top delegators within the ecosystem.
And back then, I think like a year ago, there were a lot of treasuries under 8-point.
So there are a lot of people actually proposing the proposals within the Dow.
So the participation within the Dow is pretty high as well.
I think a lot of different reasons to make it easy to pass a quorum.
Got it.
Okay.
Kachinga said, I'm going to read from the chat.
What I meant is 380 voters equals 81%, but 340 doesn't equal 17%.
Clearly the power of the votes is not equal.
And then Kachinga likened it to the Electoral College.
Do you see what Kachinga is saying?
Kachinga is bringing down the equation.
Where is it?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Kachinga, how about to get it with you offline to understand that better?
Because you're bringing data, which I love the data portion.
I don't see what the data is telling you there.
So I have to understand that with them.
Feel free to DM me as well on ads and also any other channels.
Let me know the questions and probably we can get back to you about this part as well.
Yeah, sorry, Kachinga.
My fault that I don't fully understand.
So then now I don't see any other community questions.
Let's go into open topics.
Mia, is there something that you'd like to talk about?
Something new that's important to you?
Something important to me?
I think, yeah.
Actually, I want to ask you one question.
Just like in the first beginning, when we have the meeting, you say a little bit in
Chinese.
So have you any like in words in the Chinese or Asian culture before?
Not exactly.
So I did in college, I think it was.
Yeah, I did take a Chinese course.
So I had language course.
I didn't get very, very far with it.
But I really, I'm a musician and my background is musician.
And in the Chinese language in Mandarin, it has the pinyin, is it pinyin?
Which is like, so G-A-O-O.
If you go, like if you can change the way, just the word, but if you change the pinyin
on it, then it changes what the word says.
And I thought that was always really fascinating.
So I learned a few words like nǐ hǎo and xī xī.
A couple others I'm forgetting right now because I'm on the spot.
But I learned a few words in Mandarin.
And that's really it for me.
But also, I guess I should disclose that I've read Sun Tzu and the Dao De Qing.
So there are things of Chinese culture that I have familiarized myself with and that I
study.
Amazing, because like every time when people speak Chinese, I always want to know a little
bit more about the story, how they related with the culture and the language.
I know Sebastian is also studying before in Hong Kong.
So that's how they are really fascinated about Chinese culture and Asian culture.
So that's really cool to get a connect.
I used to read and watch movies on the Warring States period in Chinese history.
So like the Qing dynasty, the Qing dynasty and the Zhao dynasty and Chu and Wei and Han
and all of those different states that there were.
So I was always really fascinated by that and reading up on that.
So that's why.
We should bring that topic online.
It's really fascinating to read how all of that happened and the unification that happened
after that.
Yeah, I think to wrap it up, the last thing I want to mention and also to everybody who
listen to the podcast, I think Dao is definitely something that we should participate in and
is definitely the next big thing because every native webster project tell me to a Dao right
now or in the future.
And by participating in those kind of like entrepreneurs within the space, like the Sembos
Dao is definitely a really good starting point for everybody to like to no matter for the
learning and also for participating.
It's really a good start.
So I'm glad that we had a podcast with Lancer and I hope this can help you like lower the
threshold for entering into the Dao.
If you guys have any questions about the Dao side, about the NFT side, about the Sembo
side, we are there like 24-7.
Yeah, absolutely.
And just the journey that we've taken from May 28th when everything was announced and
then all the voting that took place and the skepticism from the community when they didn't
understand what had happened and why a Dao suddenly just emerged out of nowhere, even
though it had been part of the white paper since 2018, we hadn't heard anything about
the Dao until just a couple months ago.
So learning from people like you, Mia and Dr. Chen and Cyril and hopefully I'll be
talking to Mateos, Vivian in the future and others from the advisory board.
But learning your backgrounds and learning how you're connected and what it is that you
intend to do and especially hearing your milestones, Mia, with the proposal data and the data dashboard
and all these other things that you want to bring.
I think that is awesome.
I think that is so exciting, especially my heart.
I love data.
Also to see that you intend to bring these things is really, really cool.
And thank you.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
I didn't know that DaoBase had existed two, three months ago.
And now I see as a Dao aggregator just how much work your team puts into making sure
that the data is accurate and complete.
Thank you.
I love it.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
And do remember that Romi is not building in one day.
So I know that a lot of captives was in the community when the Dao launched.
So give us some time, give the Dao some time and I think the Semper Star will be a great
Dao in the space.
And we are doing everything to make it great.
Yeah, just bear with us a little bit.
And we're going to make all the improvements.
Yeah, and that's one of the reasons why I started this podcast was because in the beginning,
it was very unclear what was happening.
And everyone thought that the Dao was going to be complete.
Like when it came out, like, why is this happening?
Why does that happen?
All the criticisms.
But as we start to kind of to reveal the stories and the people behind it, you realize Rome
was not built in a day and they are continually what they call progressive decentralization.
And I think you spoke upon that as well in one of your videos that I watched.
So yeah, here are the spaces that people are involved in.
So the Discord, Sandbox Dao forums, X and Twitter, and Mochaverse Hall on Mondays, Bowls
on the Block on Saturdays.
The Coffee with Captain happens every week, mostly that's eight point, but also some sandbox.
Dail Members is on Tuesdays and Sandfam Cafe happens once a month.
So please connect community, please connect with these sandbox spaces.
And so that we can all become a community together and work on the Dao to make it better.
Because people like Mia, while she is, you know, got the crypto and she has Dao base,
we all have each of our own lives that we have to focus on.
And as a community we can make Dao together, but I certainly don't want to leave Mia by
herself, you and your team by yourselves.
I want to contribute as well with everyone else.
So let's, Mia, is there anyone on Twitch that you would like to raid?
I was looking at the Twitch channel, I don't see anyone else streaming to raid.
But is there anyone that you know of that you'd like to raid?
That's alright, because actually I didn't see that.
Let me check if you want me to check that.
Wait a minute.
Yeah, I don't see too many people on that I can raid right now.
So if you don't have anyone, then we'll just conclude and end and yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you so much for your time, Mia.
I appreciate it.
Thank you so much for the invitation.
Yeah, and I really love what you're doing with DaoBase.
I'm excited for that.
Appreciate it.
All right.
Thank you everybody.
Thank you, Lancer, for the invite and also for listening to the podcast.
All right.
Let's keep the conversation on social media.
All right.
Thank you guys.
Bye everyone.