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Lanzer I'm the podcast host of the SANDDAO which is all about the sandbox DAO

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and this is episode 14 today we have Mia Bao is an advisory board member and we will jump

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right into it.

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The scope of the talk is a meet and greet.

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So we're here to to meet Mia and say hello and learn about her and all the things that

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she is is is up to and all about and her role on the advisory board.

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Thank you so much Lancer for the invitation I'm super honored to be on the show and super

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excited to say hello to everybody and enjoy the podcast with us.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, thank you very much for your time.

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So me if you wouldn't mind please introduce yourself, your background and how we came

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to today.

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Yeah for sure.

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So basically my name is Mia.

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I am the co-founder of Dowbase and also Bcrypto right now and also I am the advisory of the

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sandbox Dow.

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So basically I started my website journey back to 2017 when I was when I worked in ATBTC

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which is one of the largest and oldest large media in China.

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So I spent my two years over there and also started two of my shows.

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One is called Mia Talks blockchain, a blockchain educational show background and which is also

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the one of the most popular educational show in China background.

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And another show is called ATBTC Live.

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It's a interview show for all of the crypto entrepreneurs and pioneers in the space.

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So I have interviewed with many.

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I would say some of the big names in the space including CZ, He from Binance, Charlie Li

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from Litecoin, Kyle from Multicoin, etc.

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So yeah, all of these two shows bring me over a hundred thousand followers on social media

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and that's how I started my website journey and then later to the website market agency

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that I created myself which is BigCrypto and then later on it's a Dow Advocator platform

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and that's basically what I am working on right now.

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Thank you.

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And you said it started in 2017 with what were the shows called?

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So basically I started with ATBTC.

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This is a web three like a large media in China.

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I've been working for two years and I started the show called Mia Talks Blockchain and ATBTC

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Live.

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So one is like an interview show and the other is a blockchain educational show.

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So A2BTC and then you had Mia Talks and both of them.

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Okay and so that brought you across paths with CZ and a lot of other personalities.

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How about that?

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Go ahead.

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Yeah that's definitely a cool experience to get started with especially when you have

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the chance to talk with the OGs in the space and they are like top entrepreneurs in the

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space.

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So basically you can learn from those kind of OGs so that's definitely a fun and also

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cool experience especially when you are a newbie in the space.

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So I think we are I enraged this kind of my experience by learning from those kind of

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top entrepreneurs and then like to do something fun and also cool myself on.

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So that's basically the journey and also beside that based on all of the shows I gained over

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100,000 fans to get started in the community and which will laid out a foundation for whatever

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I do in the later.

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What a good start.

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All right.

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And so we'll jump into our disclaimer.

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We Mia and I do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation.

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We are not your legal or financial advisors and nothing we say to be taken as legal or

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financial advice.

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For the scoreboard.

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We currently have two sips right now up for voting.

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Sip nine and ten.

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Please go vote.

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Please go vote.

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It's having trouble reaching quorum right now.

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You need to reach quorum.

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Mia posted about a few days ago.

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I've been posting about it.

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Please review six, nine and ten and offer your vote.

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Yes or no.

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Just please help reach the core.

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And then there are two sips.

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Please vote.

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Please vote.

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All this works if we vote.

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The foreign.

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And then the Dow checkbook is still the same.

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We're at one point nine million of fifteen point five million sand.

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However, Mia, I saw that when you posted it, your numbers were a little bit different than

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So what I'm going to start doing is adding a slide here from the Dow base, which is fascinating.

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I've been waiting for this to pop up coincidentally.

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a lot of really cool data.

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I was looking at last night and the voters and how they voted and I really, really like

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their website.

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It's really cool.

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So well done on on.

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And as we'll talk about it, you being one of the founders of it.

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Yeah, and a key statistic I pulled from that is there's two hundred and eleven thousand

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token holders and there is eight hundred one thousand eight hundred and eight voters.

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So we'll be doing a deep dive into that in the future.

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Let's jump right into the discussion.

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So Mia talked about your your background.

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So yes, I did see that you started in 2017.

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I didn't know it was a to BTC and Mia talks.

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So what I saw in your your bio was that you started with marketing and branding.

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So you started a to BTC and then later on you founded.

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You founded Dow based on crypto.

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What's the connection to chain node live?

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I saw a podcast you had done some years ago with that.

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a BATBTC media.

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And later on, it had rebranded to chain.

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So that's a call like relation.

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That's still the same, actually.

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What do they call it?

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And so something that I noticed when I was looking at your videos is just how high quality

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it was a really refreshing take to see, especially in some of your videos where you would feature

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the local where I assume that's where you were.

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That's why it was so Shenzhen and Hongzhou.

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So basically, I shot some of the videos in Shenzhen, Hongzhou, which part of the mainland

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China also shot some of the videos in Hong Kong, Singapore and Dubai.

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It depends on like where I bring my photograph to.

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So that's and when we have this kind of cool ideas to show the video.

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And so especially how in one of the videos you're talking about Dow Insights and as you

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were speaking, the shoot would cut to you're in like a shop and you're talking with the

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salesperson and I just thought that was really cool.

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A very interesting take on how to explain Web 3 and then linking it to the existing

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it's called Web 2 but for the real life of it.

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How did those ideas all come about?

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I think I definitely admire what we have.

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I mean, I'm not myself.

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I also have my team.

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So basically, my team is really innovative and they are passionate about like this kind

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of visual creation.

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So that's not only the contribution of myself, but also the contribution of a team.

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So that's for one thing.

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And the second thing in that because we have done a lot of years before and in content

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So if we just do this kind of regular recording, it just got a little bit boring for us.

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We just wanted to do make something fun and also like to combine the knowledge and also

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the casual life together.

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So it will like basically give everybody ease when they understand and learning this kind

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of knowledge with us together.

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for the younger people to the space.

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So that's what we think of when we're creating the content and videos.

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I think came through well that there was a nice mesh.

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There was a nice combination of real life.

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And now you're explaining Web3 as you're sitting at a campfire.

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a shoe and they drew the smurfs.

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So in the same campfire place it looked like.

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But yeah, I just thought that was really interesting to touch on is how I think you definitely

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succeeded in creating something visually interesting and fun.

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As a fellow content creator, I was very impressed.

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I appreciate it.

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You know, like.

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more videos and content like that.

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So yeah, I would say that's that's that's our like passion coming from.

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And so let's start with the road to where we are today.

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What would you say that drives you?

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I heard you say in an AMA from was it now a few weeks ago when you were doing it with

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Seb that you were really interested in bridging the East and Western markets together.

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Is that close or what would you say drives you?

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I think because like I wear multiple hats right now and that's also a lot of Webster

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people, entrepreneurs, well, a lot of hats in crypto space.

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So in the first beginning, when I first got started with Big Crypto, it's actually what

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like marketing agency bridging the Eastern and the Western market and culture together.

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Because we see like I am actually coming from the Eastern industry and market.

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So all of these kind of resources in the Eastern world.

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Hong Kong, Japan, Korea and Southeast Asia.

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So we do see there are a lot of potential coming out from this kind of market.

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But as an international project and also like Webster native project, they need this kind

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of hands, especially in the Eastern world.

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So what and also for us, for Big Crypto, we have this kind of like, I would say resources

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in Eastern projects.

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So we're trying to bridge those kind of Webster projects and Eastern markets together to let

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the Eastern like users and audience know those kind of projects and the genes in Eastern

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world.

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So that's the first beginning that we think, OK, we should link those kind of two resources

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in our hands together and to make it a perfect fit.

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So that's the first beginning of when we started Big Crypto.

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And clearly, because for Big Crypto, we actually have many projects growing and also localized

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in Asian market, including definitely the sandbox and also some of the portfolios under

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Animoca and Arita before they acquired Nike, Big Time and also like some other like Tehran

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Avogadchi and many other projects.

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We have them to do the localization in Asian market.

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So I would say we know all of the founders.

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They are awesome.

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We just want to tell all of the people in the Eastern world that, OK, there is like

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amazing projects and we want to help them to build together.

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And that's when women like Big Crypto is born and then we have a lot of projects grow.

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And luckily, those projects grow into little cut of giants in their niche market.

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So that's super cool for us and also super cool and helpful for all of the projects we

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help with as well.

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So it's kind of like women's integration for both of us.

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And how does that compare against Dowbase?

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So Dowbase is a little bit different story because like we started Big Crypto in the

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middle of 2019 and after two years of building, we gathered more and more resources together

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and we feel that we are stronger than before at least.

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So we feel that we can do something more and also do more contribution into the space.

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So in the middle of 2021, we started Dowbase.

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Dowbase is the AI driven aggregator and data analytical platform.

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And the like the reason when we started to do Dowbase is firstly, before we started Dowbase,

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we formed an NFT collected DAO called Will Members.

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So we basically pooled some of the funds together and to invest NFTs as a DAO.

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So at that moment, we feel the power of the being a DAO because we grow the treasury from

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one million to over a hundred million in the later 2021.

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So that's actually an amazing milestone for everybody in the community.

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And I will feel, wow, DAO is amazing because we can do this and gather all the resources

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together as a DAO as a community.

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And then we felt, yeah, we should do something within the DAO space and do some tooling to

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help all the people to build their own native DAO.

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So we felt that we can do that and we feel responsible to do that.

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So we started a DAO based platform.

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And also we see a lot of really smart entrepreneurs doing the same thing as well.

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For example, Avogadji, they have a very vibrant DAO and also YGG, which is one of the projects

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we helped with before.

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They also have Gingild and Gingild is a community and also a DAO at the same time.

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And then later on, the sandbox also launched a DAO.

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So we feel all of these smart entrepreneurs pouring their project into a DAO format.

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So we feel, yeah, we are really bullish in this kind of direction and we are glad that

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we have had a lot of projects to standardize the DAO process and later on to offer them

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this kind of comprehensive data dashboard for them to lower the threshold for everybody

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to enter into the DAO.

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So I would say that's the journey, how we actually to bridge from Bigwebto and then

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to a DAO niche market.

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So that's our a little bit story and background between those two.

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So interesting enough, I also recently joined the whale members.

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What's your...

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Oh, amazing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And because they own quite a bit of land in the sandbox.

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So I reached out to them to meeting Nightmare and Wes and Mongoose and the whole crowd.

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It sounds like through one of the interviews that you had with Seb a little while ago that

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you were your friend's associates with Whale Shark.

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Is he a founding person of the whale.me group?

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Yeah, I mean, Whale Shark is definitely the NFT mentor for me.

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So when we first got started with Bigwebto, we are really into NFT industry and metaverse

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gaming, crypto art, et cetera.

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And Whale Shark is one of the first person that we interview in the NFT space.

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And he just liked the talk with us in Asia market.

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And he just asked us if you guys want to get a participant in the whale community, want

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to be a part of it.

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And I said, yes, we want to get a part of it.

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So that's how I got started with the journey and started with Whale Shark.

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And still, I am the founding member of Whale members.

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Still, we do a lot of stuff for whale community, especially in Asia market.

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And we have the whale with all those kind of stuff like for Asia market, token listing,

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and a lot of stuff related with that as well, like art, exhibition, auction in Asia market.

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So I'm still one of the founding members of Whale members.

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And glad that you joined the community and have the connections with Nightmare.

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They are really nice, super nice, super friendly.

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Yeah, I attend their Twitter spaces each week on Tuesdays now.

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I just started.

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Yeah, I mean, I mentioned this to Nightmare about the same was going on at launch, that

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we should participate in this kind of journey because whale community owns over 1,700 lands

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within the ecosystem.

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If we are not participating, who will be participating?

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And the lands also have the voting power within the ecosystem.

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So when I know Sab is launching a doubt, I just told Whale Shark and Nightmare immediately

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that we should participate aggressively.

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So yeah, it's super cool.

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Yeah, I've been slowly like just last week or the week before, I spoke with Wes and Mongoose

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in the Tuesday Twitter space, the natively digital, what they call, and we spoke all

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about the Dow.

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And we spoke quite a bit about the sandbox Dow.

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And as I think I understand it, they're waiting for the delegations to pop up before they

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try to vote.

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So I'm still working that out with them.

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But also I'm trying to get them on an interview here in a podcast.

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Amazing, amazing.

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And as for the delegation, actually, so firstly, Snapshot has the function of delegation.

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So actually, we can go to the snapshot for the delegation function directly.

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And the secondly, for Dowbase, we also have a members page.

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Now for every member page, there is a delegation button.

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You can also delegate your basically lands, assets, and tokens through this kind of function

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at the same time.

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And the last part is that we also know the sandbox Dow team is also looking for a solution

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for that.

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So I think this will be solved very soon.

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Good, good.

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I'm happy to hear that because we desperately need quorum.

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And I really want to reach out.

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I really want the whale members to know how to vote as well.

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So I'm working on it slowly.

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Yeah, the Dow is working on that.

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And I just let the Dow know this kind of idea that we definitely need delegation function

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in day one.

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The Dow is born.

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But I mean, the Dow is working on that.

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And it is a top priority within the Dow right now.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And where would you say that your crypto journey began?

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I actually began my crypto journey in ATBTC, as I mentioned.

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It's like, oh, that was the start of it.

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Okay, okay, got it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, but I actually, that's like 2017, right?

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When I had my like, three year study in ATBTC.

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But I actually, like one year before, when I still in college, I bought a little bit

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Bitcoin by accident.

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So basically, I learned about this concept of decentralization in college.

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And one of my friends told me a little bit of knowledge about Bitcoin.

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I bought a little bit about Bitcoin.

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And later on, like a year later, the price just sucked like a ragged.

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I don't know why this kind of become.

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So I started to learn after the price surge.

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And I found there are some amazing companies in my country and area.

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So I just participated in one of the companies later on.

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Got it.

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Yeah, no, makes sense.

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Makes sense.

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And remind me one more time, you're your chief partner at Whale Members.

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And what are some of the things that you do for the whale community in the Asian market?

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So in the first beginning, there are actually five to actually five chief partners of whale

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community.

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So each chief partner is kind of like a leadership in different direction.

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For me, I am the chief partner for the Asian market and partnership.

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So for like, Asian market is our expertise for me and also Bitcoin.

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So we handle everything related with Asian market.

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That's for one thing, including content creation, marketing.

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That's for one thing.

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And the second thing is that we have to with a token listing.

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So we always like listed in Huobi, Kucoin and many other exchanges.

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So that's also handled by us.

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And the third part is partnership.

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So we do a lot of partnership with the, like, for example, the Poly Auction, which is the

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number one auction house in China, and also Yongle Auction, which are the second largest

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auction house in China.

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So we helped with those kind of partnership and also exhibition, auction, touring, and

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also like buyer acquisition side.

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So yeah, we helped a lot with the partnership side at the same time.

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Oh, makes sense.

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Yeah, I noticed that the whale token is on so many different chains and Polygon and Ethereum

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and others.

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So that was interesting to see.

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So you're the reason, one of the reasons why that's like that.

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Oh my god, I want to see Whale Shark be definitely the soul of the community and the project.

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We just like helping them to make it happen.

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I haven't been able to meet Whale Shark yet, but I look forward to saying hello in some

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way.

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Yeah, Whale Shark is the nicest person in the space.

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And also, he's one of the like most smartest person in the space as well.

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He's definitely the man for me in the space.

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Is that interview that you conducted with Whale Shark Steel online?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Because I did like interview with him for multiple times.

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I can share the link with you like later.

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I would love to.

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I somehow did not find that and when I was researching to look at your videos.

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So shame on me.

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Oh, no, because like some of the videos are actually conducted in text.

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So I think that's part of the reason you didn't find it.

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Yeah.

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Okay, got it.

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All right, so let's get a little bit closer to the DAO.

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So DAO base, I found out that your numbers had slightly different numbers than mine.

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So you had that we had 2.02 million sand and 500,000.

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How does DAO base pull its numbers together?

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Actually, we summarize all of the like, I would say, outflow of all of these kind of

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proposals.

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So we like do calculations and combine them together.

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I think your number is like 1.9 million or something like related with that, right?

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Yeah, I think because like our numbers is not that it's pretty similar.

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And I think the reason it's a little bit different is that we do the calculation based on the

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because the calculation difference, for example, some of the proposal, they are actually asking

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for the euros and for the dollars, right?

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So they are not asking for the same tokens.

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So I think we did a little bit calculation over there.

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And the price of the same token is like a little bit different like every day.

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So that's one of the reasons.

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Yeah, okay.

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Okay.

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Like the latest one that asked for I think it was it was 337,000 pounds, I think.

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So then that that okay.

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All right, I get it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well, it makes sense.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so our conversions might be a little different.

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Good, good.

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But I think either raise up a question actually, and also a problem for a within the doubt,

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because like, if there will be like transparency dashboard for every like payment is getting

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like executed or is getting done, that should be a like on chain link related with the proposals

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or something like that.

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So everybody can actually check how much of the tokens or tokens or price getting paid,

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no matter through the same token side or through the USDT side.

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So we can actually document all of the exact amount of the tokens and assets and the combined

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together.

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So it wouldn't be any like confusion about that.

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But let's see, is there really good question to let the down know about this?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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Now let's roll into the advisory board.

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So what would you say?

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How?

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How did you first come to to be asked to be served to serve on the advisory board?

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Oh, yeah, because like, me and Sebastian has known each other for a long time.

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We started with the corporation.

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Sebastian.

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Oh, Sebastian.

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Okay, got it.

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So yeah, me and Sebastian has known each other for a long time.

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So basically, we started the cooperation, I think, like four to five years ago, because

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like Big Crypto is also the Chinese market agency for the sandbox.

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So we keep having this kind of partnership and cooperation for a very long time.

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And then later on, like Sebastian told me that the sandbox is going to launch a doubt.

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And also, I know that Yasu, the founders of Animoca Brands, he's really bullish on that

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as well.

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He's kind of like putting every portfolio of projects into a doubt.

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So I know this is a pretty, they're pretty bullish on this kind of doubt direction.

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He brought this kind of up to me that the sandbox is going to launch a doubt.

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And I told him, actually, we have been working on the doubt space for almost three years,

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because that basically started in the later 2021.

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I bring this kind of idea to him that actually we have been working on this for many years.

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And I show him the product.

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He is pretty surprised about how like sophisticated and how mature the product is.

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So he told me, yeah, we are looking for the other masteries.

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Are you interested in being a part of it?

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And I just said yes to it.

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So I think he felt that we can bring the actual value, especially in the doubt side and also

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the data side to help the sandbox doubt to be a better doubt.

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So that's why he asked me to join, I believe.

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Okay.

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And you said that you started Deep Crypto with Seb four or five years ago, or is that

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doubt based?

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Actually, so that's the amazing thing that we do a lot of things together.

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So in the first beginning, we just do the partnership between the Deep Crypto and also

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the sandbox for the marketing side, especially in the NFT side.

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And later on, we started doubt based.

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Actually, I never mentioned this to Sebastian that we're actually doing something related

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with doubts, because I'm not this type of person to wholesale my product, especially

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to the coolest clients and friends.

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I just want to do my stuff and if they feel it's cool and they want to interest in it,

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they will definitely ask if we can do partnership together or something like that.

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So I never brought this up to them because they are not related with doubt stuff like

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before.

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And then later on, when they have this kind of idea to launch a doubt, so I felt, yeah,

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it's related.

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And I should tell him that we're actually doing some cool stuff in this kind of space.

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So I tell him and clearly he likes it.

481
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:49,760
So it's really amazing and it's really lucky that we can start this kind of partnership

482
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:56,040
again, not only in the marketing and not only in the NFT side, but also in the downside

483
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,040
at the same time.

484
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,040
Gotcha.

485
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,040
Okay.

486
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,880
So you're connected through many, many years of knowing each other and then you're cross

487
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:12,680
passing together on a lot of joint projects that you want to work on.

488
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Yeah.

489
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,080
I mean, I think this just came naturally.

490
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:23,200
They are doing doubt stuff and we are doing stuff.

491
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,440
It just came naturally and that's cool.

492
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Ka-Ching verse said, how about Mia now?

493
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:39,520
I know I receive a lot of repass about this probably one day.

494
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,520
Yeah that's interesting.

495
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Ka-Ching verse also said as a just unrelated that they're having difficulty connecting

496
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,080
their wallet to a DAO based AI.

497
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,040
So just FYI for you.

498
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,560
That's something I haven't yet.

499
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,320
I want to get my DAO badge.

500
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,720
So I haven't done it quite yet, but I want to.

501
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,720
Amazing.

502
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Amazing.

503
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:08,360
So what would you say is your motivation for joining?

504
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:14,440
You said you wanted to make the sandbox DAO better or was there something else as well?

505
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Yeah I think because we have been in the space for, especially for the DAO space, we have

506
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:28,000
been in the space for three years and from the DAO based side, we've developed a system

507
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:35,440
to standardize the DAO process and also how to evaluate especially for the health state

508
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,480
of a DAO.

509
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:43,080
So we gained a lot of knowledge about DAO for the past three years and DAO based has

510
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,480
covered over 160,000 DAOs, six millions of voters data on the platform.

511
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:55,000
So basically we know everything like popping out like every day I was in the DAO space

512
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,760
no matter for the DAO side, proposal side, the contributor side.

513
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,000
So I feel that we can actually bring this kind of DAO expertise and also knowledge into

514
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
the sandbox DAO.

515
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,360
Comparing to other DAOs, we are more sophisticated and mature, especially in the data side and

516
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,880
the DAO side.

517
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,800
So we definitely want to firstly to make the sandbox DAO stay and maintain in a healthy

518
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,660
state according to the data side and also the output and for the budget to allocating

519
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:25,240
to the contributor side.

520
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:33,200
So that's also why I keep calculating the like the output of the sandbox DAO because

521
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,000
we want to maintain it in a healthy state.

522
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,160
And also like that's for one thing, we definitely want to provide this kind of data support

523
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,680
for the sandbox DAO to make it a healthier and to make it a better.

524
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:52,560
And the second thing is that we want to help the sandbox DAO to incentivize the like the

525
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,840
solid and top contributors within the ecosystem.

526
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:03,720
So if you basically look at the database product and dashboard, you can see a column that combining

527
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,820
all of the voters within the DAO.

528
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:12,280
So according to different data dimension, including the voting power, delegation, the

529
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,040
votes, proposals, and many other data dimension as well.

530
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,560
So basically we want to like basically reimburse those kind of voters and contributors within

531
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,220
the like within the ecosystem.

532
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:30,320
Because for right now, one of the like most challenging stuff within the DAO space is

533
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,240
a lot of people don't want to participate in the DAO and it's pretty hard to reach the

534
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:39,240
quorum and to raise up the voting power, all of this kind of stuff.

535
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:45,000
By having this kind of incentive system within the community and within the ecosystem, I

536
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,080
think the sandbox DAO can definitely excel better than any other DAOs in the space.

537
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,600
So that's something that we want to create and help as well because the community is

538
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,640
the top priority.

539
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,320
The voter contributors are the top priority.

540
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,760
And we need to let the country know that we value their data, value their contributions

541
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,760
and value.

542
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,260
Odyssey, those are the things we want to contribute into the sandbox DAO to make it like healthier

543
00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:16,640
and also better.

544
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,840
Yeah, and one of your videos from last year when you gave the DAO insights, the campfire

545
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,740
one, you mentioned that there were three big type of DAOs that you were tracking to.

546
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:34,360
There was a collector DAOs, service DAOs, and I'm trying to find the first one was the

547
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,360
biggest one.

548
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,360
DeFi DAOs?

549
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,680
DeFi DAOs, yes.

550
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,280
And would you say that sandbox is a service DAO?

551
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:54,000
I think the sandbox is more like an empty centric DAO and also the creator DAOs or service

552
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,480
DAO because it's a combination of both together.

553
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Gotcha.

554
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Okay.

555
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Okay.

556
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:14,240
So a combination of both.

557
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:20,760
And now, so clearly you have that deep expertise and you want to bring that to the board.

558
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,760
What so far has been your role on the advisory board?

559
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:32,400
I think for my role, we are doing the first, Odyssey, we have different milestones for

560
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,600
me and also DAO-based participants in the advisory board.

561
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:42,640
And right now we are doing the first milestone, which is to provide the basic data to the

562
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:48,520
sandbox, including, because right now you can see that the sandbox DAO is already live

563
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,520
on Galvest.

564
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,520
So according to the dashboard-

565
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,120
I have it shown up on stream right now so everyone can see.

566
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Yeah.

567
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,880
So basically we cover the basic information, the treasury balance and the historical changes

568
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,000
of the treasury, the proposal, the votes, and also the contributor page.

569
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:15,720
So we're providing this kind of data to the sandbox DAO and the reporting within the advisory

570
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:22,780
channel regularly to inform if all of the data will actually have an impact into the

571
00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:24,240
progress of the DAO.

572
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,400
So that's something that we do regularly.

573
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,320
And also we have this kind of regular call with Serial, the DAO leader of the sandbox

574
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,320
DAO to report any feedback from the DAO, from the community, and also from our community

575
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,280
at the same time to see if there's any improvement for the DAO.

576
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,560
So you just mentioned in the first beginning that to wait the delegation feature to be

577
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,820
implemented into the DAO, actually we bring this up since day one.

578
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:59,560
So we do give a lot of feedback and also the buses from this part as well.

579
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:09,920
And another thing is that we also check the industry data and also the proposals data

580
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:17,280
to report it to the sandbox because doing your own thing is one priority and also analyzing

581
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:25,320
how other people do, how everybody else is doing is another priority because to learn

582
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,800
and also to have this kind of reflection system is also important.

583
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:39,120
So we will provide this kind of industry data to the sandbox DAO at the same time to basically

584
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,280
to compare and also to analyze.

585
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Okay.

586
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,740
And Kachinda verse asked in the chat, same question I had a little bit, token holders

587
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:55,680
which was 211,000 and the explanation says it refers to the sum of the numbers of DAO's

588
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:03,560
NFT governance token holders and Kachinda verse asked, is that the number of individual

589
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,560
wallets?

590
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,560
Yeah, individual wallets.

591
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Okay, got it.

592
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:16,240
I mean, yeah, it's not related with our delegations because like our delegation, because we are

593
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,560
just checking the assets under like actual wallet.

594
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,720
So if there's a delegation, we have a different mechanism to calculate those kind of delegation

595
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:26,720
wallets.

596
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,560
So that's a little bit different.

597
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Got it.

598
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Okay.

599
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,080
And so you have a regular call with Serial to report the statistics and to help bring

600
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,040
that data to the DAO.

601
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Okay.

602
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Okay, great.

603
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,240
Then that tweet the other day was the first time that I had seen.

604
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,400
I actually saw when I looked at it about a month ago, and I saw that Sandbox wasn't up

605
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,600
yet, your tweet reminded me to go back and look and that's when I saw that it had been

606
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,600
added.

607
00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:02,320
So please, if there's a way for you to send more tweets like that, I think that's hugely

608
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,040
helpful because all I've been doing is just sending my little scoreboard and my little

609
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,040
checkbook.

610
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,240
But you've got a whole aggregator that is way more powerful than what I can do manually.

611
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,360
Oh my God.

612
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that because for that tweet, I receive a lot of welcome from

613
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,960
the community.

614
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,940
So that's definitely a motivating moment.

615
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:30,440
So I think I will post more content related with the Sandbox, especially from the data

616
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,800
side.

617
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:38,920
And also when you basically reply to the tweet and check your spreadsheet you made, that's

618
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,320
amazing work as well.

619
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,520
And I think we can bring those things together to see how we can combine the dashboard and

620
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,000
also the manual work together because after the dashboard, we definitely need some of

621
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000
the report.

622
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,560
So I think we should bring this together and see what we can do together.

623
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,560
I'm a data enthusiast.

624
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,560
I love the data.

625
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,560
That's amazing.

626
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,480
The data tells you so much and can help you make good decisions.

627
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,920
And so I think that's what I hear from you is you want to bring the data so that the

628
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,640
community can make good decisions, so that Serial can make good decisions.

629
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,640
I love it.

630
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Exactly.

631
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:18,760
So I've added a DAO-based slide from now on to go after my checkbook slide that will show

632
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,360
some of the key parts from Sandbox DAO on DAO-based.ai.

633
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,280
But I would love to reach out to you and see if we can combine some efforts there because

634
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,280
what you have is very impressive.

635
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960
I love what I'm seeing.

636
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,840
So I was going through yesterday the voters on DAO-based.ai, see if I can find it.

637
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,800
Oh, it's here under the members column.

638
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560
That was hugely important.

639
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,560
When I was looking through down the bottom, you can start to see the wallets and what

640
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,560
is their voting power.

641
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,320
Okay, so this one is probably almost definitely going to be the sandbox because they have

642
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,320
about 27 million voting power.

643
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,960
So that's very close to them.

644
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,960
And they have not been voting, which true to their word, they said they wouldn't since

645
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,080
they accidentally voted for SIP 2 or 3.

646
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,920
But then you have all the other ones, cyberkongs.

647
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,040
I didn't know they had 3.5 million voting power and they've only voted on one.

648
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,800
So now I know I got to reach out to the cyberkongs community to see if they would consider voting

649
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,480
because they now see that now because this.

650
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,160
Yeah, that's cool.

651
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,320
That's so cool.

652
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,000
That's a charm and the beauty of the data, right?

653
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Everything's like naked in your eyes, right?

654
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,600
So that's cool.

655
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,600
Yeah.

656
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,320
So I would love to work together on that.

657
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:46,040
So over now back to, did you have any input on the constitution or the incorporation documents

658
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040
for the sandbox now?

659
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:53,400
Yeah, as for that part, unfortunately, we are not contributing.

660
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,600
But I think that is done by another amazing team.

661
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,520
And they are like right now the operational team of the sandbox.

662
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,160
They are doing really amazing job over there.

663
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,160
I think the sandbox never made it without the help of them.

664
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Good.

665
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,160
Yeah.

666
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Yeah, totally agree.

667
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:23,560
And so now that you're on the advisory board, I heard from Loretta, who we talked to about

668
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,960
a week or two ago, that there is no set meetings, but you're all constantly talking to each

669
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,960
other in different group chats.

670
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:40,520
Is there, do you see any need or desire to meet with the advisory board to do something

671
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,680
or to start something?

672
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:53,000
You mean like, do we need any like conversations between, any kind of communications between

673
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,800
the advisory board members or like privately or in public?

674
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:06,240
Probably in public, because what I think the DAO, the sandbox community was confused about

675
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:14,120
in May 28th when the DAO was announced was what exactly does the advisory board do?

676
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:21,200
And now as Loretta has started explaining, and as you're explaining, it looks like what

677
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,520
the advisory board has been doing is you've been talking in the chats, but each of you

678
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,320
has your own expertise that you bring to the table and it doesn't seem like it's coordinated

679
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,320
anyway.

680
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:38,800
Is that intentional where you're not coordinating amongst yourselves or is there no need to?

681
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,720
I think that's temporary because like when you first started with the sandbox DAO, there

682
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:50,500
are a lot of things to do, especially for the DAO operation team.

683
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:56,440
So I think we haven't been really coordinating that kind of intensively in that because it's

684
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,240
the only stage of the sandbox DAO launch.

685
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:07,200
So right now we are just doing our like part-write and the sandbox operational team is connecting

686
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,760
to us like individually, but we also have a channel that we can talk to each other and

687
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,000
are giving the feedback so everybody can hear the feedback and talk within a private channel.

688
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,640
But I think the sandbox DAO, especially I think Sebastian is really good at to gather

689
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,600
all of the talents together and to let them showcase the skill sets and then to make the

690
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,600
entity and to make the DAO better.

691
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,680
I think that's what Sebastian and the team is really good at.

692
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,200
That's definitely the good thing, but I think what you mentioned is very also important

693
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,800
as well.

694
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:51,240
So I think what we are doing right now is like Sebastian and also Cyril, they are doing

695
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:58,880
this kind of regular like Twitter space and podcast in different niche markets.

696
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:06,680
So like I think like two months ago, we just did with Sebastian and also Cyril in Asia

697
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,240
market with the launch and also concept of the sandbox DAO.

698
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:19,040
And also also like the advisory board is doing the same thing in their niche market or their

699
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,340
like local market with the sandbox team together.

700
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:30,120
So I think that's something we are doing in public to explain what we are doing and what

701
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,080
is the vision and the value of the sandbox right now.

702
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
But yeah, as mentioned, it's just temporary.

703
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,020
It's just the first stage.

704
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:42,020
And then for the second stage, the third stage, I think there were definitely more interactions

705
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:43,520
between us together.

706
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,080
Okay, got it.

707
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Got it.

708
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,280
And what would you say?

709
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,640
So elections, re-elections are scheduled for December of 2025.

710
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:59,480
What is it that you think, what is it that you're excited to achieve before we reach

711
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,360
that point?

712
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:09,360
I think for myself, we have like several milestones and also goals from outside.

713
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:15,800
The first one is I mentioned that we want to provide the industry of data and also the

714
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:24,880
specific, the sandbox data to the DAO to make a better decision and also the data dashboard.

715
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,040
So that's something we are contributing right now.

716
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,560
And the second thing is not achieved yet, but it's also in the pipeline and that we

717
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,800
want to create this kind of accountability system for the DAO because like allocating

718
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:44,560
the funds to the people is one thing and within the DAO to allocate the funds wisely to the

719
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,360
people and to the right people is another thing, right?

720
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,560
So we are like encouraging the DAO to create this kind of accountability system to check

721
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:59,320
the proposals, the progress of the proposal, the project, and also to have this kind of

722
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:06,880
proposal file profile to check the proposals and their updates about the proposal they

723
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,880
created.

724
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,880
So I think that's something that we are pushing to the DAO right now and hoping that can actually

725
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:20,880
help the DAO and also the contributors to make a better decision after like the first

726
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,080
period of time.

727
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,440
So that's the second thing that we are trying to do and creating to the DAO.

728
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:35,800
And the last part is to incentive the people, especially the voters and contributors within

729
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:42,400
the legal system and to make it right and to make it better so there will be more involvement

730
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,600
with other people to participate in the DAO.

731
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,480
So that's the part that we want to contribute.

732
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:55,800
I would say after the next election, we hope to look at those kind of three goals that

733
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:03,680
we promised and to see if everything is achieved and is anything improvement with the DAO that

734
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,360
actually coming from us.

735
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,680
That is impressive.

736
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:18,080
I am excited to hear that you're looking to, I think I heard you say make a data dashboard

737
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,320
out of the industrial data that you want to.

738
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,360
Would that be available on the Sandbox DAO's website or on DAOBase or where?

739
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:33,960
We are thinking to create a, I'm not sure if we can push this to the SandboxDAO.com

740
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,080
domain or something like that.

741
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,120
It's a negotiating period.

742
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:43,960
But I think at least we can do something related, like a little bit separate to ways of the

743
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,560
DAOBase and also the Sandbox DAO.

744
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Probably have a separate domain also like the Sandbox DAO community or something like

745
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,120
that.

746
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,840
So this is actually community-driven and the country built into the Sandbox DAO.

747
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,840
That's just the idea.

748
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,960
This is the first time I've heard of this.

749
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:01,280
I love the idea.

750
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,520
That's exactly what I would, I think that's awesome.

751
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,800
That's exactly the sort of thing that I would want the community to have.

752
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,080
And for myself, when I make decisions on voting and when I write, I've written four, five

753
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:22,240
SIPs already and I'm writing many, many more and having this data here from DAOBase.ai

754
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,840
and then having our own dashboard for the Sandbox DAO would be hugely helpful.

755
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,320
It will be so helpful.

756
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,320
Oh my God.

757
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,320
I just love this kind of feedback.

758
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,320
That really matters a lot to us.

759
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,320
Yeah.

760
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,320
Yeah.

761
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,320
There were some things I was looking through here.

762
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,320
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is great.

763
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,680
If I had it, yeah, I definitely want to, I want to work with you and your team.

764
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,160
Whatever you would like and that, but I had some things as I was looking at this, like,

765
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,400
oh my gosh, this data is great.

766
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,800
There'd be, if I could have this piece of data and this piece of data, then it would

767
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,920
give me the value for the decision that I'm making.

768
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,080
And then an accountability system and a proposal profile.

769
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,760
These are some really impressive things.

770
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:13,280
And what would you say is something that we can do to help you achieve those goals?

771
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,520
Because this is nothing but a goodness for the DAO.

772
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,520
Yeah.

773
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:26,240
I mean, like, actually before we are having this kind of meeting together, I have to say

774
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,320
I love your content and also the way you do all of the data and spread it together.

775
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,840
I think that would be something, especially when we create, I mean, like for an accountability

776
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,460
system, we are hoping this is actually community driven.

777
00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:48,320
So actually we can do this kind of proposal together and to see how we can actually do

778
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,440
our roles and contributing into their skills.

779
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Because for the DAO based side, we are really good at building the product, providing the

780
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,080
data.

781
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:03,720
Probably from, like anybody within the DAO community, for example, you are really good

782
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:08,320
at content drafting or the data summarizing or something like that.

783
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,720
We definitely welcome anybody who is interested in this kind of accountability system to just

784
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,360
tell this kind of proposal together with us together.

785
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,160
And we can do this as our DAO, right?

786
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,160
Okay.

787
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,480
So that would be super cool.

788
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:30,080
My background is in some serial entrepreneur, but I have a professional expertise in proposal

789
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:37,440
writing and contract negotiations and content creation is something that I fell into naturally

790
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,320
as wanting to share.

791
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,360
I just want to share, like I want people to hear your story and hear the goals that you

792
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,840
have because of your expertise.

793
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,280
I want people to hear Inomoja.

794
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,720
I want people to hear Anthony Chow.

795
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:56,160
I want people to hear Yatsu and Seb and Cyril.

796
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,780
I want people to know who the community is and know each other so that we can all make

797
00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:04,120
decisions and work together.

798
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,120
That's what this is all about.

799
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,120
It's not that I'm great at.

800
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Exactly.

801
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:15,040
I mean, that's the charm of being part of the community.

802
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,280
You are just made the right person within the community and naturally, right?

803
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,280
Thank you.

804
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,280
I appreciate it.

805
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,400
I do like having these conversations because we're learning and we're learning from you.

806
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,400
And then as you say, hey, this is what I'm looking to do and well, we can also do it

807
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,400
this way.

808
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,120
That's the community at work together.

809
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,800
So I'm excited for that.

810
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,760
I would love to work with you and your team and I'm sure there are other people in the

811
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,840
community who would love to as well.

812
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,720
So I'll think about that.

813
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,240
Maybe I'll post something in the forums to try and gather a team of people who really

814
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:52,280
want to help as well and we'll find something to do.

815
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,280
Definitely.

816
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Yeah, let's do this together.

817
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:11,480
So work together to improve upon the data brought to the DAO and what else we can do

818
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,000
to involve the community.

819
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,240
Okay, great.

820
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:20,480
And so we kind of touched us on this a little bit, but I wanted to ask anyways, are there

821
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,920
any opportunities specifically that you're looking forward to within the sandbox DAO?

822
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:33,280
Anything we haven't spoken on already?

823
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:43,640
I think because we have this kind of expertise in the DAO space and we actually see that

824
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:50,160
even though DAO is not the hottest buzzword in the market right now, but we actually see

825
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,560
thousands of DAOs rising up every week.

826
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:01,980
So we definitely, through the data set, we know DAO is something that will be a big thing.

827
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:09,360
And also all of these major like native webstreet projects, they are embracing the DAO format

828
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,360
all the way.

829
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,160
So we feel that DAO is actually something and the niche market, all of the community

830
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:23,480
members can actually contribute and actually can actually earn the money and the funds

831
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,280
from the DAO and from the treasury.

832
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:32,120
So I think for everybody who is participating in the DAO, DAO is not something you, it's

833
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,360
nothing related with you or something like that.

834
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,360
It actually is.

835
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Like there are a lot of people actually like earning sound the profits within the DAO and

836
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,380
actually contributing their skill sets into the DAO.

837
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:50,240
So I think it will be really good opportunity for everybody to work in the DAO, work within

838
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,200
the industry of notebooks, right?

839
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,280
So work for yourself.

840
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,280
So I think the sandbox DAO is definitely one of the really great opportunity because the

841
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:05,600
sandbox is a top metaverse project and it's just the right moment to participate in this

842
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,600
great project.

843
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Yeah, absolutely.

844
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,600
I agree.

845
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:15,920
And what would you say if people wanted to work with you, whether it be through sandbox

846
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,360
DAO or anything else, what's the best way to get in touch with you?

847
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:27,920
I think the best way to get a connect with me because all of my social channels are open.

848
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:34,000
Feel free to DM me through ads, through for cashier and also Discord Telegram.

849
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,240
You can go to basically if you go to the symbols.channel or in the database channel, you can just

850
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,840
find me through the handle with me, la la la.

851
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,360
So basically you can DM me like in every channel.

852
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,360
Yeah.

853
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Okay.

854
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,920
I mean, it's similar to what I did.

855
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,920
I just added you in.

856
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,920
Yeah, exactly.

857
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,480
And all that are X now.

858
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,480
And yeah.

859
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,480
Cool.

860
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:05,720
So that's my, those are my discussions, questions that I wanted to talk about.

861
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,000
There were two more that Kachinga verse, by the way, thank you Kachinga verse for your

862
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000
question.

863
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,960
These are really nice.

864
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,240
How do you see that we can get more voters?

865
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:23,480
Kachinga said that he doesn't, he or she does not believe, they don't think that enough

866
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,800
people believe in the Dao.

867
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,880
They believe, Kachinga believes in it, but it's unproven and not enough people are listening

868
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,440
to the channels that we're in that would reach the voters needed to reach quorum and stuff

869
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,440
like that.

870
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,320
So what are your thoughts on how we get more voters?

871
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:45,880
Actually, this is pretty common within the Dao space.

872
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,240
And also is one of the largest challenge within the Dao space at the same time.

873
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:56,760
So I think the first thing we need to solve is a delegation function.

874
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,760
For every sophisticated Dao and mature Dao, we have seen all the data.

875
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:10,360
The delegation rate will raise up to 7% or even 80% of the whole voting power system.

876
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,760
So right now, the delegation.

877
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,760
Wow.

878
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,760
That's a lot.

879
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Yeah.

880
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,080
And yeah, I know, like for every sophisticated Dao and mature Dao, that's a status quo of

881
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,080
all of the sophisticated Dao because everybody is lazy.

882
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,640
So they just want to delegate the voting power to the people who actually contribute into

883
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,640
the ecosystem.

884
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Right?

885
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,920
I mean, it's normal.

886
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,960
And so we should solve in that firstly, to have this kind of delegation function to be

887
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:46,760
built right away and it will improve the status quo of the Dao voting and participation.

888
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,060
So that's for one thing.

889
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:55,400
And the second thing is to remember to reimburse and incentivize the top contributors and top

890
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,400
voters.

891
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:03,520
So like before, like you placed them on Uniswap, they did not give any dividends to the governance

892
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:04,520
users.

893
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,320
So they started this year to give back the dividends to the governance users and the

894
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,320
voters.

895
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:15,040
So it definitely boosts the participation of the voting rate.

896
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:21,380
I think that's something we should do together as well to evaluate who are the top contributors

897
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:28,640
and voters within the ecosystem based on different data metrics and then to reward them with

898
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:36,760
some of the, I don't know, the same token or any other utilities as are like top contributors.

899
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,720
So yeah, so that's something we should welcome at the same time.

900
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:42,720
Yeah.

901
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:49,360
And Kachinga had a follow up, which was, do you feel that the voting power being so the

902
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:55,480
way that's allocated right now, do you feel that that's also a symptom of this?

903
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:05,320
And he gave the example that SIP 7 had 380 voters, which accounted to about 7.17% of

904
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,320
the total voting.

905
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Oh, sorry.

906
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,480
Can you pardon the question?

907
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,760
Oh, no problem.

908
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:20,480
So there were 388 voters for SIP number seven.

909
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,040
So that SIP was about...

910
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,040
Oh, okay.

911
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,040
Yeah.

912
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,440
So the Alba says that there are 1808.

913
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:41,880
So that is 21% voting for SIP 7.

914
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:48,960
Would you say that that's also a symptom of the size of people's holdings of the sand

915
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:49,960
and land?

916
01:01:49,960 --> 01:02:00,560
Oh, I'm not sure that I got the question.

917
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:09,720
So you mean that it's a sign that the voters of the sand and also the lands are not equal

918
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:16,080
to participants because the ratio of it is not that high?

919
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,080
I think so.

920
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:22,240
Kachinga, if you wouldn't mind maybe explain your question a little bit more.

921
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,240
It felt clear to me until you started asking those questions because now I'm not sure what

922
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,600
was meant by the voting power as a symptom.

923
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,440
So we'll wait for that for Kachinga to clarify.

924
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:47,040
But when I was doing the calculations there, and for SIP 7, there were 388 voters.

925
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:53,000
And your Dow-based measures, there are 1808 voters.

926
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,600
So if I divide one number into the other, then that means that we have about 21% voter

927
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,600
participation.

928
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,400
And you said, and I think I heard you say that it's actually normal for quorum to be

929
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,400
an issue.

930
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

931
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:12,120
I think it's normal for the status quo of the Dow right now because we are trying multiple

932
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,600
ways to improve this kind of participation rate.

933
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,280
And before we implemented it with anything, I think it's normal so far.

934
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,400
Okay, got it.

935
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,760
I did not know that actually, I thought, because normally when I'm in like Bulls on the Block

936
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:36,520
or Whale members and Mocha versus Hall, when they talk about the 8-point Dow, and sometimes

937
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,160
they talk about other Dows, but mostly the 8-point Dow, it doesn't seem like they have

938
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,540
issue with quorum.

939
01:03:42,540 --> 01:03:47,480
So that was the only example I had, but you said that is actually an issue across multiple

940
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,480
other Dows.

941
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:57,960
Yeah, because for 8-point Dow, because they have been running the Dow for over a year,

942
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,360
and the sample search is just getting started.

943
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,440
So that's definitely a basically time gap between those Dow.

944
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:11,320
And 8-point Dow has been a little bit more sophisticated and mature than the sample Dow,

945
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,360
that's for one thing.

946
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:18,760
And the second thing is that actually the delegation rate of 8-point Dow is already

947
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,720
like over 70%.

948
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:28,120
So there are a lot of voting powers delegated to the top delegators within the ecosystem.

949
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:35,160
And back then, I think like a year ago, there were a lot of treasuries under 8-point.

950
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,880
So there are a lot of people actually proposing the proposals within the Dow.

951
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,840
So the participation within the Dow is pretty high as well.

952
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:52,240
I think a lot of different reasons to make it easy to pass a quorum.

953
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,240
Got it.

954
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,240
Got it.

955
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,240
Okay.

956
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,580
Kachinga said, I'm going to read from the chat.

957
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:11,040
What I meant is 380 voters equals 81%, but 340 doesn't equal 17%.

958
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,120
Clearly the power of the votes is not equal.

959
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,240
And then Kachinga likened it to the Electoral College.

960
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Do you see what Kachinga is saying?

961
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,440
Kachinga is bringing down the equation.

962
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,440
Where is it?

963
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,440
Yeah, I'm not sure.

964
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Kachinga, how about to get it with you offline to understand that better?

965
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,200
Because you're bringing data, which I love the data portion.

966
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,440
I don't see what the data is telling you there.

967
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,240
So I have to understand that with them.

968
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:47,240
Feel free to DM me as well on ads and also any other channels.

969
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:53,000
Let me know the questions and probably we can get back to you about this part as well.

970
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,160
Yeah, sorry, Kachinga.

971
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:01,080
My fault that I don't fully understand.

972
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,960
So then now I don't see any other community questions.

973
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,120
Let's go into open topics.

974
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,400
Mia, is there something that you'd like to talk about?

975
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,600
Something new that's important to you?

976
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,600
Something important to me?

977
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,760
I think, yeah.

978
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,680
Actually, I want to ask you one question.

979
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:25,760
Just like in the first beginning, when we have the meeting, you say a little bit in

980
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,760
Chinese.

981
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:35,000
So have you any like in words in the Chinese or Asian culture before?

982
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,300
Not exactly.

983
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:40,840
So I did in college, I think it was.

984
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,600
Yeah, I did take a Chinese course.

985
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,200
So I had language course.

986
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,840
I didn't get very, very far with it.

987
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,720
But I really, I'm a musician and my background is musician.

988
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:01,840
And in the Chinese language in Mandarin, it has the pinyin, is it pinyin?

989
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,200
Which is like, so G-A-O-O.

990
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:15,200
If you go, like if you can change the way, just the word, but if you change the pinyin

991
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,720
on it, then it changes what the word says.

992
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,840
And I thought that was always really fascinating.

993
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:26,200
So I learned a few words like nǐ hǎo and xī xī.

994
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,400
A couple others I'm forgetting right now because I'm on the spot.

995
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,600
But I learned a few words in Mandarin.

996
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:38,200
And that's really it for me.

997
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:46,080
But also, I guess I should disclose that I've read Sun Tzu and the Dao De Qing.

998
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:51,880
So there are things of Chinese culture that I have familiarized myself with and that I

999
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,880
study.

1000
01:07:52,880 --> 01:08:01,200
Amazing, because like every time when people speak Chinese, I always want to know a little

1001
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:09,960
bit more about the story, how they related with the culture and the language.

1002
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,820
I know Sebastian is also studying before in Hong Kong.

1003
01:08:14,820 --> 01:08:19,760
So that's how they are really fascinated about Chinese culture and Asian culture.

1004
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,320
So that's really cool to get a connect.

1005
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:27,920
I used to read and watch movies on the Warring States period in Chinese history.

1006
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:41,040
So like the Qing dynasty, the Qing dynasty and the Zhao dynasty and Chu and Wei and Han

1007
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,640
and all of those different states that there were.

1008
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:50,440
So I was always really fascinated by that and reading up on that.

1009
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:51,440
So that's why.

1010
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:59,080
We should bring that topic online.

1011
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:04,640
It's really fascinating to read how all of that happened and the unification that happened

1012
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,640
after that.

1013
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:17,840
Yeah, I think to wrap it up, the last thing I want to mention and also to everybody who

1014
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:23,880
listen to the podcast, I think Dao is definitely something that we should participate in and

1015
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:30,440
is definitely the next big thing because every native webster project tell me to a Dao right

1016
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:33,320
now or in the future.

1017
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:39,240
And by participating in those kind of like entrepreneurs within the space, like the Sembos

1018
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:45,480
Dao is definitely a really good starting point for everybody to like to no matter for the

1019
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:48,120
learning and also for participating.

1020
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,240
It's really a good start.

1021
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:58,560
So I'm glad that we had a podcast with Lancer and I hope this can help you like lower the

1022
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:03,560
threshold for entering into the Dao.

1023
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:08,800
If you guys have any questions about the Dao side, about the NFT side, about the Sembo

1024
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,800
side, we are there like 24-7.

1025
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,920
Yeah, absolutely.

1026
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:19,760
And just the journey that we've taken from May 28th when everything was announced and

1027
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:25,120
then all the voting that took place and the skepticism from the community when they didn't

1028
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:30,640
understand what had happened and why a Dao suddenly just emerged out of nowhere, even

1029
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:36,240
though it had been part of the white paper since 2018, we hadn't heard anything about

1030
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,160
the Dao until just a couple months ago.

1031
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:47,440
So learning from people like you, Mia and Dr. Chen and Cyril and hopefully I'll be

1032
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:54,880
talking to Mateos, Vivian in the future and others from the advisory board.

1033
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,560
But learning your backgrounds and learning how you're connected and what it is that you

1034
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:09,840
intend to do and especially hearing your milestones, Mia, with the proposal data and the data dashboard

1035
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,800
and all these other things that you want to bring.

1036
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,080
I think that is awesome.

1037
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,720
I think that is so exciting, especially my heart.

1038
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:18,760
I love data.

1039
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:26,640
Also to see that you intend to bring these things is really, really cool.

1040
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:27,640
And thank you.

1041
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:28,640
I appreciate it.

1042
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:29,640
Thank you.

1043
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:34,760
I didn't know that DaoBase had existed two, three months ago.

1044
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:41,480
And now I see as a Dao aggregator just how much work your team puts into making sure

1045
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:44,640
that the data is accurate and complete.

1046
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:45,640
Thank you.

1047
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:46,640
Thank you.

1048
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,640
I love it.

1049
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:48,640
Thank you.

1050
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,640
I appreciate that.

1051
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,920
And do remember that Romi is not building in one day.

1052
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:58,360
So I know that a lot of captives was in the community when the Dao launched.

1053
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,400
So give us some time, give the Dao some time and I think the Semper Star will be a great

1054
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,240
Dao in the space.

1055
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,880
And we are doing everything to make it great.

1056
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,600
Yeah, just bear with us a little bit.

1057
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,920
And we're going to make all the improvements.

1058
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,000
Yeah, and that's one of the reasons why I started this podcast was because in the beginning,

1059
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,760
it was very unclear what was happening.

1060
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,840
And everyone thought that the Dao was going to be complete.

1061
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,560
Like when it came out, like, why is this happening?

1062
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,560
Why does that happen?

1063
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,560
All the criticisms.

1064
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:36,000
But as we start to kind of to reveal the stories and the people behind it, you realize Rome

1065
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,600
was not built in a day and they are continually what they call progressive decentralization.

1066
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,160
And I think you spoke upon that as well in one of your videos that I watched.

1067
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:52,560
So yeah, here are the spaces that people are involved in.

1068
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:59,560
So the Discord, Sandbox Dao forums, X and Twitter, and Mochaverse Hall on Mondays, Bowls

1069
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,880
on the Block on Saturdays.

1070
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:08,440
The Coffee with Captain happens every week, mostly that's eight point, but also some sandbox.

1071
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:14,400
Dail Members is on Tuesdays and Sandfam Cafe happens once a month.

1072
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:20,680
So please connect community, please connect with these sandbox spaces.

1073
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:25,800
And so that we can all become a community together and work on the Dao to make it better.

1074
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:32,500
Because people like Mia, while she is, you know, got the crypto and she has Dao base,

1075
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:35,440
we all have each of our own lives that we have to focus on.

1076
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:40,520
And as a community we can make Dao together, but I certainly don't want to leave Mia by

1077
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,520
herself, you and your team by yourselves.

1078
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,960
I want to contribute as well with everyone else.

1079
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:52,040
So let's, Mia, is there anyone on Twitch that you would like to raid?

1080
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:57,040
I was looking at the Twitch channel, I don't see anyone else streaming to raid.

1081
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,480
But is there anyone that you know of that you'd like to raid?

1082
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:05,600
That's alright, because actually I didn't see that.

1083
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,200
Let me check if you want me to check that.

1084
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,200
Wait a minute.

1085
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:17,800
Yeah, I don't see too many people on that I can raid right now.

1086
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:23,040
So if you don't have anyone, then we'll just conclude and end and yeah.

1087
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,040
All right.

1088
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:29,160
Well, thank you so much for your time, Mia.

1089
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,160
I appreciate it.

1090
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,080
Thank you so much for the invitation.

1091
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,200
Yeah, and I really love what you're doing with DaoBase.

1092
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,200
I'm excited for that.

1093
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,200
Appreciate it.

1094
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,200
All right.

1095
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,200
Thank you everybody.

1096
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:46,880
Thank you, Lancer, for the invite and also for listening to the podcast.

1097
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:47,880
All right.

1098
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,920
Let's keep the conversation on social media.

1099
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,920
All right.

1100
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:54,920
Thank you guys.

1101
01:14:54,920 --> 01:15:01,920
Bye everyone.