Alright, hello everyone.
This is Sandal Podcast 11.
And today we are covering SIP 10.
So if you're with me so far, podcast number 11, SIP number 10.
That's what we're on about today.
I have with me Chips from the Hermit Crab studio.
I'll have him introduce himself, his background, and his position.
And SIP 10 is about blockchain events, funding blockchain events for various individuals
and studios to attend for 2024.
I think there are six of them if I'm not mistaken.
The will, yeah six of them.
Chips is not in his head.
So we're going to talk about the normal stuff we talk about when it comes to SIPs.
The who, what, when, where, why, and questions I've seen along the way that the community
has asked for.
Alright, scope of the talk.
Today's a meet and greet with Chips and Hermit Crab studio.
Chips is one of, if not the author of the SIP.
So quite knowledgeable about it and can withstand all the interrogation that's about to happen.
And then also this is about the SIP draft.
So actually it's an active now.
It was a draft.
It is now an active SIP and it is currently up for voting.
So please go there now or wait until the end of the podcast if you have questions you want
answered.
And if you're in the chat now, please put your questions in the chat.
There's a slide later on that we have before we stop, which I will ask Chips if you put
your questions in the chat.
And yeah, it's there for voting now.
Please take a gander at it.
And let's go into introductions.
So my name is Lancer, I'm the podcast host for Sandow, which is all about the sandbox
DAO.
We cover SIPs, we cover drafts, we cover different type of governance things.
I've been interviewing a lot of different community members, advisory board members
and special counsel.
All it is is just a fact finding mission.
I want to learn more about the SIP and the DAO and I want to bring you all along with
me.
So this is strictly for the Sand Fam to be better and to learn and to improve so that
we can all contribute to the DAO in a way that's informed and makes sense to us.
Because we some of it we don't even really know what we want out of the DAO yet.
And this and the SIPs that Chips has brought to the table is one of the ways that we can
do that.
So I'm a landowner, I love running around with my WoW avatar in the sandbox.
And I'm also, you know, I just stop there, you know, all of a sudden.
Chips, welcome to the show and please introduce yourself.
Thank you for having me Shane.
Well, I'm super happy to be here.
Obviously, I'm not the one who were behind of the SIP, just the one working on the backstage
to make sure that all that we have regarding hermit crab on this SIP will be right in place.
I know that we have several other companies with us.
This is obviously an idea of a group of people and a group of companies that are interested
in it.
So that said, I'm the business manager of hermit crab.
Hermit crab is one of the biggest developers of the sandbox.
We have over 100 lands on it.
And we've been working hard on to promote the brand to have games like the walking dead
or people of crypto and other...
Love that one, by the way.
Well known experiences.
So I hope I'm here to get your answers that you're looking for and have a lot of fun talking
with you, Lancer.
Thank you.
And which walking dead did you all make?
I would say that everyone.
All of them.
So the Alexandria one and the road and the tower.
Wow.
Okay.
I like the Alexandria.
It's a good one.
Again, although I'm in the game industry, it's been more than 20 years and I've been
working with this.
It's been a while.
I usually there are several projects that were already made when I get there.
I know that we've been working with the walking dead and we have a few experiences.
We have, as I mentioned, the people of crypto, the Irish pub and so many others.
That one was awesome.
I love that one too.
And I don't know if it's out or not, but anyway, we have the Lisbon surrealism and so many
other experiences that I like so much.
Even the Maradona one that I think it's super cool, which tells the whole story of Maradona
from the soccer player since he was born till he died.
Maradona extension?
Yes.
Yeah.
That's the one that I like the most.
So we have a lot of things going on on sandbox.
And as I mentioned, as I said, it's one of the coolest things that we have at Hermit
Crab and I'm really proud of it and the whole team.
Good.
Yeah.
I have it up on stream for everyone to take a look at.
We have Hermit Crab studio is right next to the Invincible and that is just north of
zero, zero.
Oh, very cool.
Sportsland.
Yeah, we that's that's our that's our main court.
I would say that the sports lands is the place that we have.
We just had the Olympics from Cope Cope C.O.B., which is the Brazilian Olympic Committee.
So we have all the things that bringing Brazilians to those lands and having fun with Jenga,
which is the tiger, the mascot of the experience.
And that's our main goal to bring new brands and new experiences, new people to the to
the sandbox.
And definitely some heavy hitters that I've played a number of times in my sandbox career.
The surreal Lisbon and Walking Dead and the Irish pub.
I think I like that one a lot.
That was a good one.
So thank you.
Welcome.
And disclaimer.
This disclaimer is neither chips or I represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation.
We are not your financial or legal advisors and nothing we say is to be taken as financial
or legal advice.
True.
True for you, too, Sips chips.
Absolutely.
Oh, all right.
Scoreboard.
So we have two Sips and Draft, the Sandbox Academy Philippines by Baggo.
Mark as he as he calls himself.
And we will be doing EPSCO with him later on on Wednesday.
Sandbox Ambassador program.
And then the two that are open for voting.
One is Sip number nine, which is the NFT collection with Arthmoord.
And then the one we have on today with chips is the blockchain events in Asia and Latin
America.
That brings us to seven Sips approved total.
And in the next 14 days, that will turn into nine Sips, approved or disapproved, whichever
one it goes.
Yeah.
Hopefully approved.
Checkbox.
The checkbook.
We're currently sitting at 13 percent of the 15.5 million Sand.
We spent one point nine million of all the Sips that have been approved thus far.
And if we approve all the Sips currently on the table, it'll go up to 20 percent as in
two point eight million Sand.
So that's the that's the accounting of it.
All right, chips, you ready?
Yeah.
OK.
Just shooting.
If you go to the Sandbox website, you'll see new Sips for voting here.
Looks like this.
And this is where you can either join the discussion that we're having that we're about
to have now or vote.
And please give it a look or wait until the end of the podcast if you have your questions
that you want answered.
So number one, chips, how did this come about?
As far as I know, what happened was we do every year an event called Brazil Game Show,
which is the second.
We as in hermit crab.
We as hermit crab do the event, a Brazil Game Show, and is the second largest B2C, the business
to to call.
Usually we say B2C and I forgot what's the C stands for.
But it is the consumer business to consumer event in the world just after China Joy.
But what was the largest one you said?
China Joy.
Yeah.
If I know why.
No, no, no.
J-O-Y.
I was filling it.
Okay.
And we've been doing well so far.
And since we are one, as I mentioned before, we are one of the biggest developers of the
sandbox.
We thought that it would be interesting for the sandbox to be part of this for us to set
a landmark there.
And we've been we saw the documentation and the presentation of the sandbox that mentioned
that they only had like 6% or less.
No, it was it was an amount of users here in Latam that it was like almost laughable,
I would say.
Sorry for the strong word.
But that's something.
And it's horrible for horrible for us since we are hermit crab, one of the biggest developers
of this and we are investing on this platform.
We have a lot of land in there.
It's important for us to spread the word and make bring more people to the sandbox and
bring more people to create new wallets and everything like that.
So when we were doing this, we figured that there were other companies doing small, smaller
events all over the world, and we decided to pack it up altogether and do one sip to
everyone.
I do believe that the main thing that I figured on this is that usually the events that we
do with the sandbox and with Dalles and with blockchains in general are block chain events,
which is something that I just don't get it.
We are selling tires to tire sellers instead of going to the car manufacturers.
And that's the kind of stuff that since the sandbox is a game platform, a metaverse or
whatever you call it, the best place to be is in a place that is a game event.
And since we have like 300,000 people there, actually this year is expected 330 something.
That's the place to be.
Thousand?
330,000 people?
330,000 people.
Wow.
All right.
And usually when we're talking about a blockchain event, we're talking about 2000 people, 5000
people, tops 10,000 people.
So that's something that I don't get it, but maybe you can explain to me how this works,
Lancer.
Why people do this kind of stuff.
Like they do a bank event to bankers instead of to the public in general.
Who's the one that will be opening a bank account?
I don't get it.
They do it just with the bankers?
Yeah.
And there's a lot of those.
Like we are a bank and we are building an event just for the bankers.
Why?
Probably because from where I'm sitting, the B2B aspect, the business of business.
I think that's why they do it because the conversation is different between two banks
and a bank and a person or a bank and a...
I think that's why.
Yeah.
But that's the kind of stuff that we are trying to change and bring to the table.
The consumer, the people that will have fun and will talk about and say, well, I tried
something different on this event.
Usually people talk about PlayStation, Xbox and Switch and whatever.
And I saw something different.
I saw something else.
And that's what I'm trying to bring to the table.
Got it.
And so this being a big business to consumer video game event, when...
So you all do this every year and so because the DAO came about where there are budgets
for this sort of thing, you saw that your attendance could be covered under a budget
within the DAO.
Yeah.
Okay.
Actually, it's something just to...
Again, we are a big investor to the DAO.
So for us, it's really important for us to make it bigger.
Every time that we make everything bigger, it's good for everyone.
So that's our main concern and the main expectation, I would say, for this event.
But I'm talking specifically about Brazil Game Show.
We know that there are other events on this SIP and they are also important.
It's something that obviously the companies that are behind this event should talk about
it.
But I'm stepping forward just to talk about this because I think it's the biggest one.
Yep.
Well, as you are, you are the one who ended up responding.
So I will make you the point of contact for all of them as much as you're able to answer
for and that's the best we can do.
Yeah.
All right.
So how much...
So are you yourself the SIP author?
No, no.
As far as I know, there's no such thing as a SIP author.
I know that it should be, but I was pretty much brought together.
If you're the one that knows all about the Brazil Game Show, and as I mentioned before,
I'm in the gaming industry for 20 years.
So I've seen...
Since the first Brazil Game Show, I went to Game Developers Conference in San Francisco.
It's 2010.
So it's been a while that I'm in the game industry.
So I was the one responsible for taking care of this area.
But it's something that is a gathering of all the people that are looking for an event
and bringing things together.
So I think that I should...Hermit Crab is obviously one of the authors of this, but
it's gathering all the companies like Monkey, Luffy, and Duat and iGregg all together.
So if there's anyone who's signing it at the end of the day, I must say that I'm not 100%
who should be this person.
I just understand that.
Let's work our way backwards then.
Who submitted it to Serial's team?
I did my part.
We opened Google Docs with everything and put it together, all the events and added every
single company beat by beat.
Got it.
And because it was a Google Doc, you can all kind of contribute your portion.
Exactly.
All right.
Got it.
So you from Hermit Crab, Monkey D Luffy, I know he's in the Discord, but what was his
role in this?
I must say, I know this will sound odd, but I'm not the one who knows any of the other
companies or other events.
Okay.
Sorry for that.
It's okay.
Was there a central coordinator here or did you all just were you given the link and then
go get around?
Who gave you the link?
Mateos, who's the CEO of the company.
Mateos.
Okay.
Do you know where he got the link from?
Yeah, he was obviously talking with Serial.
Got it.
Okay.
So Serial then created it and then handed it out to all the people who have a part to
play.
Okay.
So that's something that I have.
All right.
So, okay.
Got it.
I was wondering how that coordination happened.
So Serial created the SIP in Google Docs and I wouldn't say that Serial created it.
I'm just saying that.
Serial's team then.
Yeah.
Someone on Serial's team created it because you didn't create it.
Someone did.
Yeah.
And distributed to the SIP stakeholders.
Yeah.
All right.
Nope.
That makes sense.
So what did you know Monkey?
What's his connection?
No.
I'm sorry.
I just said because they are mentioned on who are the key players of this SIP.
I Greg B. What and making the Finhermitch crap.
I was just reading this.
Okay.
Yeah.
He I don't I don't see any.
He did respond to me but he didn't identify where he's from.
I have to ask him because I saw I've been seeing him in discord but he must be part
of something.
All right.
So I know.
So Smobler is a part of this.
Smobler, whoever the Smobler rep is.
All right.
Who else do we have represented?
So Hermit Crab, Smobler.
You know who the other people are?
Nope.
And as far as I know all the other events I think they are all in Asia.
So we are far away from them and and doing different things that we saw that had a match
at the end of the day.
Okay.
Because we are all talking about events.
All right.
What I couldn't figure out is who who was attending.
So in Singapore you have Loretta who was the last one we interviewed in number 10.
She did mention that they had a part to play.
So she's going to Singapore which makes sense because her studio is there.
Then in Thailand the sandbox Thailand crypto mine groups or you know if we are hosting
these four people to go.
No definitely not.
Every single one of those are hosting their own event.
We won't be in any other events aside of Brazil Game Show.
Okay.
I'm asking other people as best you might not know but I need to ask anyways because
that is the question.
Okay.
So we know Smobler is going.
I can't tell who else is going.
So just Smobler and Hermit Crab perhaps and then somehow Monkey you're involved in this.
I'm pretty sure that this is in the very beginning of that the forum there that future futuristic
venue.
Here we have like every Singapore.
One Singapore one Nova from Smobler and then we have the sandbox official site event named
to be confirmed in September 18 in conjunction with token 2049.
Oh wait number one Nova is their own studio.
And then we have Hong Kong with Blocktober Hong Kong and then Thailand in Bangkok with
epicenter of blockchain in a bench.
Who's going to that one?
That's awesome question.
Yeah I can't tell who's going to Hong Kong.
I can't tell who's going to the sandbox official site event.
I can't tell who's going to Thailand.
I know who's going to Brazil.
You are Hermit Crab.
That's the easy one.
It'll get easier but this is the part that kind of tripped me and some other people up.
I can tell.
Okay so Nova.
I figured this out.
Nova Hermit Crab and Smobler and then some other mixture of people that I can't figure
out is going to the rest of them.
Okay and then we'll go unknown for the rest.
So during choking.
And somehow monkey Deluffy is in here.
Okay and so that'll go bring us into question number four which is who are the key players.
Kind of got that.
Some people did respond to me.
I Greg and do what they respond to me but I couldn't figure out who.
Who they represented.
Yeah.
Those names ringing a bell for you at all.
Let me answer you.
Yes in what said and he got a lot of likes here.
The what said that he's giving me more info but it didn't say where who he represented
and I Greg talked about Asian events.
So I assume I Greg's not part of her McRab.
Is lead of TSB.
I Greg is lead of TSB.
As far as I know I could be completely wrong.
When you say lead as in different than than Seb who's the CEO.
Yeah.
Different like a regional something.
Oh.
Oh you know what.
Maybe the head of of the Thailand region and the head of the.
I think I see now.
OK so this one happening in Thailand.
This one happened in Bangkok.
So and then this one happening in Hong Kong.
So there must be regional people assigned to this which is what sandbox has.
They have that regional.
Exactly.
Ambassadors are actual leaders of that area.
OK.
Yeah.
So you're not really affiliated with them.
You don't really talk to them.
OK.
I'm just a game company.
I swear.
No I believe you.
I believe you.
You're unfortunately chips.
You're the only person I can ask right now.
All right.
That I don't have all the answers that you might be expecting.
So right.
We'll work through it.
So so Brazil event permit crab studios and we have Singapore event small blur.
Then we have Hong Kong event.
Don't know.
And we have Thailand event.
Don't know.
Then we have.
Was it Bangkok.
Bangkok OK.
We have Bangkok event.
Don't know.
And I think that's it right.
Singapore.
October Hong Kong Thailand meme fest.
Where is that.
Yeah I guess I found what I was looking for here.
Brazil 2049.
We have talking 2049.
October Hong Kong Thailand block chain meme fest digital dreamland.
Yeah that one was that one.
There's a link here.
Look at the link.
Nine cat digital.
It looks like it's in.
Thailand I guess.
Somewhere in time.
So another Thailand event.
Maybe that is Thailand.
I can't tell that.
Not your fault but so this is a little bit hard to read sometimes.
We are doing the best we can.
I know I know you are.
I know you are.
All right.
So at the very least.
We know Singapore.
That one's easy to see.
The side event at token 2049.
OK.
Let's say token 2049.
Don't know but maybe the TSB team.
Let's say.
And then Hong Kong which is Blocktober.
OK.
I'm going to keep trying.
All right.
So we're funding each team to go to these different events to do different stuff like
booths.
Different user acquisition costs.
And I will get we'll get into your portion because I'm assuming that you can't speak
for the rest of them but.
I'm sorry for that.
That's OK.
Let's say OK.
I think I think I'm good there.
So somehow I Greg know what and Monkey D Luffy are involved in this because they responded
like they knew what was happening.
And then individuals of some kind and then chips from hermit crab.
All right.
I think I think we're good.
We are figuring this out.
All right.
So let's do our next question.
How were the teams and individuals chosen to attend those events?
So let's speak just for you.
How were you all chosen to go for Brazil?
Actually we were we were we were already settling up for it for this.
We are we've been discussing with the event.
It's been a while.
And then because of that we we thought that we could bring together the Dow and sandbox.
That's just what happened.
As I mentioned we've been to Brazil Game Show for the last I would say seven years or so.
And we've been growing.
We usually bring big brands with us.
We work with Barcelona.
We work with Benfica from Europe.
Do you know the soccer teams?
I know I know ish.
I used to play soccer in high school but I haven't I haven't played since definitely
not like Mathews.
Yeah.
Mathews.
Yeah.
I know I was watching some of his highlights in his former years as a footballer.
I was a midfielder and he was a center back look like which we call a stopper in America.
Yeah I'm a left fielder.
You're left or lefty.
All right.
Left midfield.
Yeah.
And I'm a cornerback too.
Cornerback.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Not on soccer.
Yeah.
And in football.
In football.
Yeah.
We do have American football here in Brazil.
We have several teams here.
We have a national football league from Brazil which we used to be called Tourneil touchdown
and back in the day I used to play there.
Oh you used to play American football.
Yeah.
Oh all right.
Okay.
That was unexpected right.
So a cornerback in American football.
Got it.
Yeah.
How about that?
And I'm a big fan of Houston Texas.
Houston Texas.
Okay.
I'm Jackson Jaguars myself.
I know they're not like great.
Yeah.
Oh Houston Texas.
That's college isn't it.
So college.
What do you mean by that?
The Texans.
The Texans are there in NFL.
They are in the same branch that you have.
Dallas Cowboys and Indianapolis Colts.
Oh the Texans.
Right.
Okay.
Got it.
Show us how much I pay attention to football huh.
Yeah.
All righty.
Well that's that's cool.
Unexpected but very cool.
Yeah.
How many years did you play?
Sorry I've played from 2010 to 2015.
And was it like a like a recreational league or was it college or what?
No.
It's national league.
Actually we have a we had a couple of NFL former NFL players here playing.
We had a few NCAA players playing here.
The main name would be Casey Frost which was not draft at the end of the day as cornerback
as quarterback at the NFL.
So he came to Brazil.
We have a few players that left our league to play in Canada and we have one of our players
that went to Miami Dolphins which was Douzão back in the day.
Back in the day he used to play when I was playing and he went to Miami Dolphins.
It's been like three four years ago.
Gotcha.
Huh.
So you played for the national.
The national.
Oh my gosh.
All right.
So you must be like 260 pounds full of muscle.
No I was way more fit back in the day.
Yeah.
Really fast.
That's what we need for our DPs.
High jumping and fast players.
So way more skill based than any other thing.
But it's obviously nothing compares to NFL.
We have we even played.
I don't know if you know that but there is a world championship of football league with
teams from Japan, Germany, US, Canada.
No I did not know that.
Yeah in 2014 or 20.
Did we win?
Did Americans win?
No no definitely not.
Not that.
Definitely not.
We got beat at our own sport.
All right.
No no no.
But we did win.
Yeah USA was the one that the final was Japan versus US and US won.
We were like in Brazil stayed in fifth place if I'm not mistaken.
But still I know that this is absolutely nothing.
That's okay.
No it's okay.
I like the detour.
So but anyway.
So Hermit crab was already going to Brazil.
Yeah we were we are in Brazil.
We have this deals with soccer brands like Barcelona, Manchester City, Paris Saint-Germain,
Benfica from Portugal and Arsenal from England.
And this is something that we've been doing.
And this was the right time since we had Maradona just released in the sandbox and we were part
of this of the sandbox and we got a few prizes last year from the from the event that were
hosted in Singapore for sandbox as one of the best experiences that there were in the
sandbox.
So we thought this was a good moment to get to be there and to push forward this in Latin
America since again since we know that there are not that many people there.
But obviously there's some costs to build a booth.
And the good thing is that usually when you bring a brand from is that is from abroad
usually is way more expensive to do this kind of stuff here in Brazil.
So what we thought is we can get there as a Brazilian company which can make this much
less expensive and make this a good deal for all of us.
And so how how were you all chosen?
You already kind of answered.
Here's what I'm trying to ask.
Was there like a meeting where you all got together and and hermit crab said, all right,
I'm taking we're taking Brazil because we're already in Brazil and that sort of stuff that
happened.
As far as I know, what happened was hermit crab decided that we wanted to do this.
We wanted to go with the SIP.
And then since we are doing this, a SIP for the events, other companies that were already
talking about this decided that, well, we can put everyone together in the same thing
instead of doing one SIP after the other all about events.
So that's that was the main idea.
We were I would say that we were the tip of the spear and and then the others came along.
So it started first with Mateus.
Yeah, so it started first with Mateus and Cyril's team.
And then because it involved hermit crab studios, other studios said, hey, we want to do this
as well.
And then they contributed their portion.
Exactly.
Okay.
So they came to it with this is the one we want to go to.
This is the one we want funded.
All right.
Got it.
Added themselves to the SIP to create a combined blockchain 2024 events proposal.
Got it.
Exactly.
Got it.
No, makes sense.
Thank you, chips.
Thank you.
That that clears that part up.
Still don't know who's going to what.
But you know what?
We can worry about that.
I'll just keep asking questions in the proposal.
And that's probably the question I asked them is, who is going to these other ones that
we that you and I did not able to figure out?
Thank you for your patience on that.
I appreciate you being on board about it.
As I mentioned before, we go live.
I'm here to help and I'm here to answer questions that I can't answer the other ones that I
don't know what what's going on.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
That's OK.
That's all right.
We'll do the best we can.
All right.
So is the 94.
So all right.
Now, now that I know that I need to break that down in my head.
So it's not 94,000 for everyone.
You all came up with your own proposal amounts.
Yes.
In our case, we are talking about 35K.
Yeah.
For the for the Brazil portion.
OK, before we get into the 35K on detour, is is the are these expenses?
A since you said you're already going because you're going to get funded, if you get funded
and the proposal passes, will you then go?
For actually, let me think about this.
Thanks for a second.
So the question is, is if it's going to be paid through the Dow, is this a Dow specific
pursuit or?
OK, so if you do get funded in the 34,000, you're able to receive that from the Dow.
Does this become a hermit crab studio and you're going to change your focus to a Dow
specific thing or are you going to do what you already plan to do?
But now you have funding from the Dow.
You know, we're 100 percent on the Dow.
If we are sponsored, the idea is to like, let's make some we, as I mentioned, we we
usually work with brands.
So think think think it like this.
If we are working with Barcelona, you will find a Barcelona booth.
If we're working with the Dow, you'll find a Dow booth.
We are just part of it.
We are just a partner on this one.
It's powered by a hermit crab.
But at the end of the day, this is the Dow.
You'll see a black and blue booth, 100 percent talking about the Dow, the sandbox and how
to make your account and make it work and make it happen.
We have no interest aside of making this bigger, making this better.
OK, because at the end of the day, we're we're gaining on this.
Because we are part of it.
Yeah, because you're you're there.
You'll see hermit crab studio powered by hermit crab studio.
But you'll be speaking on you'll be speaking for the Dow.
Speaking about the Dow, you'll be advocating for the Dow.
Yeah, 100 percent.
All right.
Are you talk to me more about that?
How does let's start from the beginning.
Last year, how did how did you how did the event unfold for hermit crab studio?
What were you there doing last year?
Last year, we had their Benfica merge, the game from Benfica, the game from Barcelona
and the game from Manchester City.
So we had a booth with the back of it, 100 percent Barcelona and the two sides, one the
right side on Benfica and the left side on Manchester City.
And we had computers and tablets so people could play, for example, if if not, if the
reporter from the TV from Portugal, SIP, if I'm not mistaken, he came there and then we
did an interview talking about the figure, talking about the game, how the game work.
And you said was that word the FICA Benfica Benfica team like Barcelona.
I can change the Barcelona the idea so you can let's say because it wasn't the team,
but let's say a reporter from Spain came there to talk in Spanish about the game from Barcelona
that were showcased in in the event.
So we had the backdrop.
We were showcasing the game.
How did how did this work?
It was a card game with soccer.
So we showed to the TV channels from Spain and we also showcase to the TV channels from
Brazil.
So we had the Brazilian TV channels, regular ones, and we were explaining how a company
in Brazil had partnership with a soccer team, a famous soccer team in Spain or in England
or in Portugal and how those games work.
So we were like explaining to to everyone, to all the reporters, to the press and all
that how this works and how a company that almost no one knows could have this kind of
deal.
So these weren't specific to sandbox.
These were these were other types of games.
Yeah, those are 100% games for mobile.
These mobile games.
OK, that hermit crab studio developed.
Yes.
It's important to remember that from hermit crab does games for the sandbox or fortnight
for Roblox.
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw that.
OK, so got it.
So we have a lot of options.
During Gamescom, let's say a few months, months ago, we had the COB event, Booth, that it
was 100% all about the Olympics.
And we have like Panini's stickers and all everything was about the Olympics.
So you have hermit crab powered by hermit crab.
But at the end of the day, all the all the tablets and everything that you see there,
it was about Roblox and the sandbox, how you were able to play these games in there.
And then for this year, the idea is to have like everything on a specific area of the
booth, all about the sandbox and the DAO and how this works and how you create your wallet
and how you enjoy the experience.
How do you find this?
OK, wait, pass, pass, pass, pass.
I'm trying to trying to keep along in my notes.
So this year, no, this is good.
No, this is great.
This is exactly what I needed to know.
So this year, I just need I just need to keep up with you.
We need to intend on doing everything related to the sandbox, the sandbox DAO, how to create
wallets.
OK, keep going.
I'm sorry I interrupted you.
No, how to enjoy the sandbox DAO, how to create a new wallet, how to play a game, how to find
a game that you heard of or if you have never heard of any of those games, we would have
our experience.
Just Term of Crest Studio games or any game?
I would say any game.
But the idea is obviously to showcase the games that we've done, because as you mentioned,
you love the games that we've done.
There's nothing better than any of them.
I do.
There are a lot of other games that I like, though.
You just said that we had the best games ever made in the history.
That's exactly what I said.
So why would we change the showcase?
Irish probably does rank on to my top 10.
I'll give you that.
Yeah, OK.
Obviously, I'm joking, but I get you.
We have some cool experiences and the idea is just pretty much to showcase how fun can
it be and we will be obviously showcasing a few experiences that we know that are cool
to play and to enjoy and to have fun and give some prizes for whoever get there.
Just my opinion on this one.
I noticed that some of the studios voted no and I'm willing to bet that part of and they
explained why in the snapshots.
You can hover over their name and you'll see why they voted no.
They can still change their vote.
You can still convince them otherwise, by the way.
But in any case, I suspect that some of the reasons why the other studios voted no is
because they thought that perhaps Hermit Crab wouldn't represent them because you might
see them as competition.
I don't know for certain, but I think that just for your consideration, that that might
help go over easy.
So let me get back to you thinking like that.
Usually as I mentioned, I'm in the game industry.
It's been a while.
Usually if you have, for example, a PlayStation, it's very unlikely that you will buy an Xbox,
I would say.
You usually choose for a console to play and then you go with one of those.
But if you like racing games, there's no reason for you to buy one racing game and don't buy
another racing game, another type of racing game.
So if we have an experience at the sandbox that is all about adventure and let's use
the walking dead experience, for example, and there's another one that looks like that.
The person that is playing at the sandbox have no reason for just play this one that
is made from Hermit Crab and not the other one, because it's something that I like and
we are not competing, not one bit, because if the guy is inside of it, he can test any
game that he wants.
So as long as I bring someone new to experience something new at the sandbox, then everybody
is happy because I have no competition with any other company.
The only thing that I want is that someone from Latam to start playing at the sandbox
and play our experience or another experience.
And as long as we have more people there, it's good for everyone.
I'm glad you look at it that way.
That's good.
You said Latam, Latin America that you call Latam.
Yeah.
OK.
I'm trying to know how to shorten that, so Latam is the better way to say it.
The thing is, since we're speaking Spanish, you'll hear me always speaking, since we're
speaking English, you'll hear me always saying Latam as we do in English.
Yeah, yeah, it's clear, it's OK.
It's all good.
Yeah, I'm learning Spanish, but my vocabulary is bad.
No problem.
We'll go with English and let's have it just fine.
There's no need to say Latam as we do in Portuguese.
And even then, you're from Brazil, so you speak Portuguese.
Exactly.
I think all I know is obrigado.
And that's it.
Yeah, no, it's great.
It's great.
Thank you for having me.
So we're finishing, right?
No, no, no.
Yeah, I'm kidding.
So last year, did you feature any sandbox games that you all built?
No, we were not able.
What we did was this year at the very...
There's a few events that sometimes we do.
We had one in Brasilia, which is the capital of Brazil, that we did have a few sandbox.
And last year at Gamescom Latam, at BGA, I was there showcasing a few experiences from
the sandbox.
And one of those were from Herbich Crab and the other one was not.
Okay, got it.
Again.
So this year, if you are funded, then it'll be all about the sandbox?
Yes.
Okay.
Give me an idea for what is the difference going to be between you promoting the sandbox
and you promoting the sandbox DAO?
What's that going to look like?
Well, the first thing is that one thing is that me at the BGA or someone else's booth,
just with one computer showcasing the sandbox.
Another thing is showcasing the whole thing, having a booth and making people understand
what a DAO is, what the sandbox is and the differences and making people, as I mentioned
before, making the wallet, for example.
This brings more...
Make sure that we have more people in it and investing in it in a way.
That's how I see it.
And what part of your...
I guess, what are you going to be saying about the DAO?
I'm trying to get a sense for someone walks up to the booth, how much of it are they going
to see sandbox DAO?
How much are they going to see sandbox game?
What is the degree of their attention going to be?
Usually on this kind of event, what we do is, although this is a B2C event, there is
a lot of other developers, other companies that come along and want to understand, want
to know more about what's going on and how this is happening.
We do have a few meetings during this.
Those are the moments that we can promote the DAO and make sure that this is a good
moment to get into this DAO and have this support and work with it to make your own
game even if it's not working with the sandbox, for example.
This year, we had a few guys from Avalanche and another blockchain.
And I do believe that this is the kind of moment that you can evangelize someone else
to come to the DAO, if it makes sense to you.
You lost me a little bit.
So can you rephrase that?
Can you say it a different way?
Yeah, sure.
I do understand that when you are in an event like that, if you can showcase not only to
the common public, being part of the DAO is important to understand, to be part of that
chain and be able to vote and do all the things that you can do in the DAO.
You can also talk with other companies that can also bring together new comers to the
DAO, new developers, a fresh pair of eyes on top of this new technology that not everybody
knows in Latam.
I think that this is the main thing to be considered, as far as I can see, like trying
to explain what a DAO is, because at the end of the day, most of those people have no idea
what a DAO is, what's the difference between the sandbox game and a DAO and how this works
and how do you have your account and are able to vote for something if you have land or
if you have anything on this now.
So yes.
That sounds like a small portion of the event.
A small portion.
Yeah.
I don't know how to translate that.
I do understand what you said and I understand how do you see this as making different?
Maybe you can enlighten me and maybe I can change my strategy.
It would be super awesome.
You're the one that are super active at the Dell.
I'm not sorry.
It's okay.
I'm actually very I'm flattered that you asked that.
Thank you.
I've heard not only myself, but I've seen some of the other questions that they pose
and especially in the snapshot when you can see the reason why they vote no, some of them
put things related to this, which is that if the DAO is giving them money, how much
of it is really going to be about the DAO?
How much of the booth is going to show Sandbox DAO as a banner like the like on the sandbox
DAO.com the big sandbox DAO logo?
How much is it going to feature the SIPs?
Like it will be a how to for a SIPs guide.
How much will it show our how many SIPs have been that have been approved thus far?
So we had the foundation now we have the budget and they also approve some for like the trading
pair and and what's it called?
Red Cross.
So the Red Cross, the one that just passed last week or the week before was the staking
plan budget.
And you're right.
A lot of people don't know what the DAO is.
And I'll give it to you that I'm willing to bet at this gaming convention.
Very few probably do.
So the big question is, is what are you all going to do with the money to turn that around?
What can you do to show this is what a DAO is and integrate that into your your participation?
Shame on you.
You you you you you sort of asked me and then you turn back the question on me.
But there's no problem.
I do understand what you're saying.
I didn't.
No, no.
That's not a problem.
I do understand what you're saying.
And I understand that what you're looking for is an answer more like as you mentioned,
I would bet that 99 percent of the people there are there have no idea what a DAO is.
So we got to start with the basics.
We got to showcase how cool this is, how this works, why this exists.
And to do that, we need to be there.
We need to have people coming to the booth and people ready to explain in Portuguese
how this works, why this works and how cool this could be.
And as something different in the game industry.
And that's why I do believe that this is important to be done.
OK, maybe I should pledge my ignorance to how to do this the best way.
And I will be super happy if everyone from the community could give hundreds of ideas.
And I obviously have no problem to implement this at all.
OK, you know what?
I'll figure it out.
I'll answer your question because you're right.
I turned it back on you.
OK.
So are you looking at my stream right now or do you have the questions open?
I'm just looking at you, but I can do that right away.
OK, pop it up, pop up in the stream because I'm going to show you some things that if
I were in your shoes, how I would do this.
OK, where's my little this?
I live for this moment.
This is fun.
Showcasing everything that we need to know about the vision.
Yeah.
There you go.
So you see you see right now my stream.
So you have the bottom portion, which was your sip that you and the forums and then
the top portion, which is the website.
OK, so the actual website itself has a lot of stuff that you can create banners out of.
I don't remember the call, but they're like big, they're like big posters, but they are
they're really like flimsy made out of like paper or something like that.
So you can create banners, right?
A lot of this this website already has stuff that can easily create in banners.
And here's what I would hit.
It would be I'd have a banner that would show not you.
Let's go under the about section, a banner that would show this the road map.
I would have a banner next to it that would have the special counsel and the advisory
board.
And you could probably just copy paste this to the banner company to where they can create
all the faces here.
All right.
So when people walk by, they're going to be like, there's a special counsel and advisory
board.
What in the world is that supposed to be?
And and I bet you a number of them will will at least recognize someone, whether it be
the founder of Ledger, the founder of Animoca, Seb, who is at every conference known to the
world.
He's like traveling all the time.
And then they might even know because, you know, from Brazil, Mateus, you know, they'll
be like, oh, my gosh, he's on the advisory board.
What does that even mean?
So there's your your quick Q&A session right there.
The other one I noticed is I had on here.
OK, so the budget, I would do a big old banner of this budget and on the website, it's under
dashboard.
So this right here, I would do a big old banner of this and that would immediately catch some
eyeballs.
Fifteen million of whatever sand is supposed to be.
Same from the perspective.
No idea.
Fifteen million sand.
What is that even supposed to be?
So that those are the conversation starters.
The remaining budgets kind of in the weeds.
Probably wouldn't worry about that one.
What else?
Vision.
This was this is one here.
Vision.
One community, many parts.
I'd banner this whole thing.
So you have and then you could banner the sandbox community map.
This is a good picture.
This website to me has all the marketing material.
If you were to create, I don't know, free standing banners that were.
Maybe three, three by whatever or whatever it might have to be.
I get it.
The stuff that would really catch people's attention, which is budget, the map.
And because you're already featuring the sandbox and the games like The Walking Dead, that
kind of speaks for itself.
But the Dow portion would be.
Where's the ethics?
Ethics down here.
Now that that's too many words.
So people just walk by that without even reading it.
So these pictures, one, two, three, that might catch people's eye who are really interested.
The dashboard, the numbers.
So the 15 million sand and then the about which should show the faces of people that
they may recognize in other spaces.
I'd say if you had those three banners, that to me would signify that you are are there
speaking with about the Dow and evangelizing it in the everyday conference for people just
walk right by.
Perfect.
Did I answer your question?
100 percent.
And I must.
The map itself, I think it's super cool.
I think that the faces I wouldn't go with it because at the end of the day, we are getting
we have we're having a B2C event and they might not know and they even might not care
who's behind us unless it's Neymar or like Beyonce or Taylor Swift.
But the the rest, I would say, like this budget.
Sure.
Yeah, I'll leave it to you on that one.
And your your judgment.
Something that I got it starts the conversation.
Yeah, definitely.
I would say that the map itself starts like great conversation.
Why there is like a Snoop Dogg and a Paris Hilton or something like that.
And and the walking dead stuff.
And it should be like a wall of this.
And then somewhere the the the budget area that is I think it's super cool.
So I'm with you 100 percent of this.
So I won't put you on the spot in terms of how much you will or will not accept of what
I just said.
But in terms of no, no, 100 percent.
You can count on me.
I'm up with you.
I agree with you 100 percent.
And that's what I what that's why I'm here to to before we started this off.
Not life.
Didn't I tell you that I'm here to be able to talk to people, understand and be part
of it.
So that's why I'm here.
And I think this feedback is the reason that I'm here.
And I'm grateful that you were able to actually answer the question and give me the feedback
that I was looking for.
And I think it's genius that we haven't seen this before.
So I'm really, really glad that you.
I would even I would even venture so far as to say one of them would be your sip.
Like this right here, this website, like even the top portion with the bit with your some,
you know, maybe even five or eight out of 10 people won't even take a good look at this.
But for anyone who does.
And maybe you would stop here, like with the who, what, when we're by table, because the
rest of it just gets into eyesores, that sort of stuff.
Anything that evangelizes the Dow or starts the conversation.
And if they did get into the conversation, you already have the visual aids.
Even if it's like a binder of nothing but pictures of the website or the sips like the
sort of thing that can facilitate your discussion with someone who has no idea what the Dow
is and those visual aids that help them understand.
It is to have the booth with the TVs.
We usually do some have some TVs on the wall.
So those these usually showcase some reels and and something interesting about what we
are showcasing.
So this is obviously the kind of stuff that we always do this this way, because we are
there to sell something to to spread the word on top of something.
So the best thing to do is obviously have something imprinted there, but also something
interesting to be watched on a TV on a big TV screen that makes sense for them.
Cool.
Now that if you do end up creating a animation or a video about the Dow, please, please share
it because I would love to feature it here on the podcast.
Yeah, we will definitely do that.
You can expect that.
Cool.
And are there any other opportunities?
What's that?
And it will definitely be 100 percent in Portuguese.
That's fine.
I'm kidding.
We can do it in English.
Whatever you end up creating, it could be whatever it is that you determine is best
for the event.
That's fine.
But what are there any opportunities for you to do interviews or panels where you can talk
about the Dow or is it not the right place?
It's something that we always do and it's something that we will definitely do.
As I mentioned, we we usually make an interesting banner in the place that we do all the interviews
and then we talk about what we're doing.
I mentioned before last year, we did a lot of interviews about Barcelona, about Montreal
City, about Pincicla.
This year at Gamescom Latam, I did hundreds of hundreds of interviews about the Olympic
Games that were coming and what we were showcasing and how cool it was to be played inside Fortnite
and Roblox and the sandbox.
Sorry, the way that I'm saying is that I really did a lot of interviews talking about this.
This is something that will definitely happen.
We have the influencers the way that we did last year, Brazilian influencers that come
there talk about this and try to understand, do the questions that what you're doing, how
this works and why people would play this and why would people be part of the Dow and
all of this kind of stuff.
So if they understand, it's very likely that their followers will also understand and be
part of it.
Well, I appreciate you asking that question and being open to feedback.
I think that would really help out a number of people to hear that you would work in things
that will catch people's eye, that will facilitate conversations about the Dow and then different
panels and interviews where you can sprinkle in the Dow and talk about it.
So that I think that that hits the spot right there.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Obrigado.
Thank you.
OK, the next one is what does attending the events accomplish for the sandbox ecosystem?
Yeah, what's your impression of when hermit crab goes to Brazil, the event?
Well, again, BSGS.
Yeah, Brazil Game Show.
OK, when you go to BGS.
What is your goal?
Sure.
I think you said it there, but I want to reattach the question.
What is your goal at BGS?
I would say that we have usually two goals.
We have one, the main goal is to bring more attention to the brand that we are bringing.
Hermit crab is a company that does games with brands 100 percent of the time.
So if you're bringing a soccer team, we will bring the attention to the soccer team.
If we're doing something with sandbox, we'll bring the attention to the sandbox.
And the main goal is to, at the end of the event, have more people aware and playing
that game after the event.
That's the reason that we are there.
And this is usually a long tail, because if you go to an event like that, if you are a
student in college, in graduation, and then you see something different, the cool part
about being in an event like this is the fact that you can tell people that you saw something
that no one else knows.
And then you have an information and you are special somehow.
And this is the kind of feeling that we want to bring to every single one that goes to
an event at BGS or Gamescom or anyone.
So they have some new topic to talk with their friends.
And once they do that, obviously they want to showcase this, and then we will be bringing
new people for the next three to six weeks after the event.
So we reach usually those 30K, 50K people that are there.
We reach a few major people that are the influencers.
And then after that, we have this long tail happening from people that saw the influencer
playing that game or the person that went there, talked with chips.
And then after that said, well, I know the guy that did that game and he was super awesome.
And I talked to him.
He is super awesome.
I'll give it to you.
No, I'm kidding.
But he tried the game and then he had fun and then he can showcase.
And the good thing is that the sandbox is metaversed.
We all can come together to play.
So I can play with you with another person and we can interact there.
So it's something different.
It's like knowing brand new social network that only the cool people know.
So that's the main idea that I have on top of this.
And that's what it brings to the ecosystem of the sandbox.
People thinking that they are cool in Latin America area just because they know something
that no one else does.
Got it.
OK.
And so in this your goal this year would be to bring attention to the sandbox game and
the Dow.
OK.
Yeah.
OK.
I'm looking forward to see how this work.
I do.
We've been very successful so far.
That's the reason that we are almost 10 years in existing as Herbits Crab.
And every time that we do an event we do something bigger.
We do better.
We learn from the last year and the year before.
And we're moving forward and reaching more people and understanding how to bring something
new, something different.
So this is why we do this and why we invest in this.
Because at the end of the day we are also investing on our end.
It's not just this amount of money that can pay a booth and TVs and people.
You got to consider that this is a five day event.
So we got to have a lot of people at the booth and every single person there has a cost that
is not covered.
We need to sometimes make these people travel to go to the event or something like that.
This is something that we are getting from our pockets.
The only thing that we are asking for this is pretty much like printing things on the
walls and having the TVs and the computers.
Got it.
And what sort of follow up normally happens with the people that you meet?
Do you like exchange contact information or newsletters or what?
Usually people follow us on the social media.
This is our main focus.
That's how they interact with us every time.
For example, we did an event at Gamescom.
Some people send things directly to me on social media saying, well, I played this experience
on Roblox and there's this thing that is bugged, has a ball that is showing up a couple of
times more than it should.
So they feel them as part of the development that's different, especially if you are in
Latin America.
Because usually when you are in the US, you sort of know where the developers are in a
way.
You know that in LA you will find a movie who shoots the movies and all the companies
and all that.
So you know that it's kind of not that far.
But for people here in Latam, the game developers are far, far away, something unreachable.
So once you know someone that actually does something, they feel part of it.
Every time that they can send a message saying, well, I tried this experience on the sandbox
and this happened, look at this, they feel as if they are also developing it and being
part of it.
This is something that is beyond imagination.
For some people, developing a game is not something that they can dream of and now they
can.
I can tell you've done a lot of interviews.
You're very well spoken.
Thank you.
You're too kind.
All right, so one of the main follow ups for people that would go by the booth would be
to follow hermit crab studio social media.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so then you had them engaged.
Obviously.
Yeah, I just thought of as we're saying that, that if one of your screens had the sandbox
dowels Twitter feed.
Yeah, it would be super cool.
I didn't even think about that until just now.
That would be something.
Because they're always posting stuff about the latest sips and everything else.
If they were to follow hit follow on hermit crab studio and the sandbox Dow, I think,
I think we're getting really, really close to what a lot of people are asking about when
it comes to voting.
Oh, you're writing it down.
Okay.
All right.
This is a cool idea.
That's something that we can do and we can put a TV sideways and have the feed like moving
and scrolling and all that.
All right.
Hey, I'm I'm very happy to hear that you're willing to to include that and integrate those
things.
I think that makes your your position your what you're offering the Dow much stronger.
My personal opinion.
Appreciate that.
Cool.
Very cool.
All right.
How does accomplish for the sandbox ecosystem?
I think we already answered that one, so I'm strike that one off the list.
One less one to target you about.
Dow awareness.
We spoke about that a bit.
All right.
Quorum.
Let's let's deviate a little bit for a quorum.
I noticed on sips nine and 10.
We'll just go.
We'll just go sip number 10.
Yeah, sip 10.
That's you.
Where is there we go.
So right now you all are trailing.
You've got 61 percent.
Yes.
And 37 percent.
No.
But only four point six million of 30 million quorum.
So that's four point six divided by 30 is 15 percent quorum, which is a problem.
That's a problem.
How what are you all doing or what do you know to do to help reach quorum?
Well, first of all, let's let me ask this question.
Because you all are so decentralized where you input the stuff and that sort of thing,
are you all worried about quorum at all?
Are you are you being asked to reach out to people?
I've been pressing F5 at the forum like every single day.
I have this open right now and to answer every single one, I know there's 18 questions at
the SIP here and I've answered you every time that you.
Yes, you have.
I'm here to help and try to.
But maybe I'm not as qualified as I should to reach everyone and make sure that everybody
comes together to vote on our.
Yeah.
But that's the main reason that I'm here talking on your podcast to spread the word and make
sure that everybody knows about this and comes to vote.
That's what I want.
But unfortunately, I can't reach every one of the Dow and go one by one asking just because
I don't know how.
Yeah, I should.
That's OK.
Let's let me show you something.
So I put this slide out.
I think I did this for Loretta when we just did her podcast the other day.
Oh, no, no, I wrote I did this because of Arthmore.
When I did, we did his his podcast last week and he had had the same question because I
noticed that that he didn't know how to reach out because he was brand new to the Sandbox
Dow and the Sandbox community didn't have any background.
I wanted to prepare for him a slide.
So on the slide deck that I sent you slide 13, that is where you can go to start reaching
core members.
And I know that because you're you and all the other different studios pitched in together
for the SIPP that this isn't like a traditional SIPP where you have one author and that author
would be the one responsible for all that.
So you'd have to probably ask Cyril or at Mateus to contact Cyril to figure out what
it is he wants to do about that.
Because at the rate you're going, I don't know if you're going to make it on quorum.
It's a problem.
So on slide 13, and I'm showing it here on the on the stream, I'm saying you here are
five different places you could go to ask for support.
And these are all sandbox affiliated.
They're not all sandbox specific like I am.
I'm sandbox devoted.
But Mogaverse Hall, Bulls on the Block, those are those are eight eight chain Dow.
They are eight coin Dow.
I mean, they are sandbox Dow, Forbes and some other places where they all combine their
own groups.
All right.
But there I frequently go to them during the week.
So they know of sandbox Dow and they would welcome you because Arthmore just on Saturday
was on Bulls on the Block and I could probably send you that link where they asked him questions
about his sip to all of the people who who vote for Bulls on the Block, of which they
have about, I think, two hundred thousand voting power.
So they own a big plot of land and they have a lot of people who listen in who are also
people who would vote independent of Bulls on the Block.
Same thing with Mogaverse Hall.
Chris Jordan.
So he's Coffee with Captain.
They are mostly eight coins, but they do talk about the sandbox every once in a while.
They are every single day.
So you can catch them on their Twitter spaces every single day.
And if you hit at least one of them, if you hit each of them one time, you'll be great.
But I know that you're just hermit crab compared to everyone else.
So maybe there's a discussion that you all need to have amongst yourselves.
Do you want to split the work?
Do you not even want to try?
It's like it's all what you all want to do.
Yeah, I'm the kind of guy that is always up for that.
I see that about you, chips.
I see that about you.
I think it's important to be part of it.
If we're trying to spread the word about Dell, it's part of our job to also talk to the community
and bring them along.
Hopefully this won't be a shot in the foot.
But no, what they'll do, what they'll do is they'll when you when you show up and you
request to speak, they're like, hey, how are you?
Who do you represent?
If you say that you're one of the SIPP authors for the SIPP that's on the voting floor, they
will give you the space to say your piece.
And what you've already said to me, you'll have no problem.
They have no issue.
It's not it's not accusatory.
They're not there to attack you.
Some of them will ask questions kind of what I said, which is how does this benefit the
Dow or or whatever the case may be.
But it's very welcoming.
It's very hospitable.
Okay, so and then and I think that will do you and the SIPP wonders when it comes to
people looking at that, because while you do have 61 percent, yes, that that 15 percent
is worrisome because we've already been here.
We've been at this already.
What four days?
Yeah.
So about 10 days left.
You got to I already will.
I already speak at these places, but I don't I can't speak for you because it's I can't
advocate like that.
But I say, hey, we have these two SIPPs.
I've already said it this week for people that we have these two SIPPs.
Go vote, please.
Yes, no, just vote something.
And and then well, members, they have the largest land ownership in the whole sandbox.
They have like I think last count was they have over a thousand lands and which is an
enormous amount of voting power.
The only thing with whale members is they only vote by delegation, of which the sandbox
style doesn't have yet.
So it's a it's a big question as to whether or not you'll be able to earn their vote.
But they've been around for a long time and they have a big reach.
It's not about earning their vote or not.
Is much more about spreading the word.
So I would hate for this to be huge.
Yes.
And then you'd not get quorum like Game City Jam did.
It had the yes, but didn't reach it and they got rejected.
And that that would be a shame.
And then San Fam Cafe.
So that's done by Pickaxe Master and San Fam Cafe does it once a month.
So I should really only put one time monthly.
You might be able to convince him to do a podcast like this or or have him advocate for
you in some way to say, hey, this is this is what they're about and all that sort of
stuff.
Maybe like a quick YouTube short or whatever it is that they would be willing to do.
Those are the places that I would hit if I were you or at least offer up to me, but they
used to say, hey, if these are some of the ways that we can get quorum.
Perfect.
Yeah, and I'll advocate this to him, too.
If when we can do our podcast in the future.
Yeah, yeah, we will do that for sure.
It's just as I mentioned.
Sure.
Probably won't be in English, as I mentioned before.
That's why I offered to bring a translator like I would hire a Portuguese translator
to do that.
But he said English is fine for him.
So OK, OK, problem.
Yep.
Otherwise, I'll be Google translating in real time and speak terrible, terrible Portuguese.
He's able to speak English.
That's not a problem.
OK, cool.
Not be just as quick on doing this.
That's that's completely fine.
Understandable.
His French accent speaking English.
Yeah.
So when I first reached out to him, I saw that his profile was in was in French.
So I sent him a French message.
I translated it and then he sent me like this.
He responded to me real fast and he sent me this big, long message.
I'm like, oh, my gosh, I don't speak French.
I released a Kraken on me.
I sure did.
So we had a good laugh over that.
And then and then, yeah, then I realized that he was from Brazil, actually.
So so then I, you know, then I offered to do this in Portuguese and said and then he's
so graciously offered that let's just put Lanzar out of his misery and do it in English.
So yeah, much better.
All right.
So those are high.
I highly recommend the sandbox, the San Fam and the Dow is disorganized right now.
We don't have like like Apecoin.
This coffee with Captain.
These are seen by hundreds of Apecoin, Dow voters, hundreds of them.
So they they have a lot of places where you can go and get a lot of voters to see what
you what you're after.
We don't have that.
I'm probably the closest thing we have to that right now.
Yeah.
And and and and I try my best.
So that that's it.
That's all we've got.
Cool.
Let's go back.
Reaching quorum, so Lanzar share slide 13 sandbox spaces.
What's that?
Thank you.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
But like I said earlier, when you win, we win.
Like it's it's all the Dow.
The Dow is winning.
Yeah.
So that's the idea.
OK.
So there's some key phrases in there that I didn't quite understand.
And the in the SIP activation of six percent.
What does that mean?
That's 100 percent on me.
A hundred.
All the questions that come along now, they are 100 percent on me.
If you go to a event, if you have a group event that had three hundred thousand people
in it, if they sell you that they are going to reach three hundred thousand people, you're
lying to you.
And I wouldn't be unfair to anyone at the same we're going to be at the BGS and you're
going to reach like three hundred thirty thousand people.
It's going to be awesome.
What I said is like it's reasonable to say that we can make at least six percent of those
people get there and play the game.
In best case scenario, we might reach like 15 percent, 20 percent, like which which is
like 60,000 people playing on our both.
OK, a lot, especially if you compare with any other sort of event.
What I've said is you can count on me to bring for sure six percent of this thirty, thirty,
three hundred thirty people because the rest and how many how many events like these have
you done before?
I don't know.
I lost count like a lot.
You've done a lot.
Sixty.
Excellent.
Awesome.
So we're in good hands.
Jeff's what I'm saying.
All right.
Yeah, I can count on you to reach six percent.
Two thousand seven.
So it's been a while.
No.
Yeah.
Two thousand seven.
You said almost 20 years, right?
Yeah, exactly.
No, but but but regarding events specifically like doing things and reaching people and
talking to people since 2007.
I mean, the tech industry since 2002, I used to work with pocket PCs.
Have you heard of it?
Palm Tops, Palm Tops and pocket PCs.
Yeah.
Before the day before they invented the smartphone.
Like the Blackberries and all that the razors.
Palm is a company that it's something that you can reach in your palm and it was supposed
to be like a smart computer in your hand.
So I need to Google this.
HP had a palm pocket, literally.
Yeah.
OK, I remember these.
Yeah.
Like I was alive when these were here.
Yeah, I was working on this when these were these ones were here.
So it's been a while.
Palm pocket.
Oh, I haven't seen this in a long time.
Oh, my gosh.
I was with the stylus.
Exactly.
So that's why I'm saying that I can guarantee that I can activate that I can have at least
6% of the whole event playing the game, doing talking with them, showcasing what's the DAO
is.
And it's way more than other events that you can have.
And so what does activation mean in that regard?
What are you activating?
Usually when we we have, for example, a game, we have a DAO, a daily active user at DAU.
OK, yeah, yeah.
OK.
During the day, we have one active user.
So this means that I have one active player at the at the event.
So I will guarantee from the pool of three hundred thirty thousand people, I'll have
6% active at the sandbox.
They will count as a new player playing that game.
So you're going to add them to the daily active user count?
Yes.
OK, so 6% of three hundred thirty thousand.
I'm a math.
I love I love doing.
You can do that.
Nineteen thousand eight hundred people, you're going to add nineteen thousand eight hundred
daily active users.
Yes.
All right.
You seem pretty confident about it and you've been doing it for a while.
So yeah, yeah.
And how how do we how do we see that?
Is there a place I can go to see that or what?
Yeah, we have the analytics.
I know that because we just been to to gamescom.
And we have the experiences and we do have the analytics inside of every single tablet
and every single experience.
So we know how many people played in every single tablet for every single day.
OK, OK.
And you have metrics and for gamescom.
Let's say we had ninety thousand people and we have eight thousand people playing.
OK.
And so if you can activate them by adding them to the DAU, the daily active users of
the sandbox game, how many of them do you think you can activate for the Dow?
That's a great question that I'll be foolish to answer you.
OK, because it's not because because I work with games.
I do understand all the metrics on top of games.
They will be aware.
I'm pretty sure that we'll have brand awareness of 10 percent of the public for sure.
They will know there is.
But considering this is a Dow, it's very unlikely that they will like follow up right away and
be part of the Dow on that day.
So what what they will have, they will have some sort of gift or some sort of not some
sort of way.
We already have this on our proposal.
The idea is to do some customized candies that they can have.
They can bring back home customized candies, candies, like candies, like customized candies.
You think it's like sandbox game candies.
Yeah.
What do these things look like?
I don't I've never heard of sandbox game candies before.
You never heard of it because they don't exist.
Oh, you're going to make them.
OK.
All right.
Same thing.
For example, for the again for the C.O.B., we we had for last year Gamescom, we we have
like we call it Bon Bon's.
I forgot the name.
It was chocolate candies that whoever played a game and and reach a certain level of the
game would get this kind of candy back home.
This is candy.
And there was a line of people like trying to to reach that to do whatever was supposed
to be done in every single game, deliver a soccer ball or something like that in game
to get this because people like this and that's something that is easy to be created.
And for this year at Gamescom, like we had, I can show you.
Well, we might have the pictures of this, but we do have we had a wall of candies, all
sorts of things, because one of our sponsors was a candy brand.
So we did have like the the medals of the the Olympics as a candy.
So you have a package that you can open and you have the gold medal, the bronze medal,
the silver medal to be eaten like gummy bears.
Got it.
OK, OK, got it.
So as you said that, then I think it will be very important for you to do a banner of
the Get Involved Now section of the DAO.
Is that right there?
Number one is Discover and Debate.
Number two is Vote for Change and then Witness the Impact.
So they have the different links.
So if if you have the Sandbox DAO's web page and then the Get Involved Now, that's very
mark it advertise as well.
In my opinion.
Yeah, it's it's forgot the expression is when you sorry about that.
That's OK.
No problem.
Cool.
And then.
Nice.
That that would probably be helpful because then whereas you you have a lot of gaming
expertise, how do you activate the DAO user?
I assume call the actions are pretty important in your industry.
Call to action.
That's that was the oh, is that what it was?
OK, cool.
So then that could serve as our call to action, which is the get involved now and then the
big old discover vote.
And then so they they create the account to join the discussions and they can ask questions
like I am, then they vote on the snapshot and then they watch the dashboard as things
are like, I guess, view the dashboard.
I mean, they just watch the the budget go down.
OK, I get it.
It's so good.
It still looks really good.
A lot of these things are very banner worthy and create banners out of a lot of this.
Anyways, I just noticed that.
That's pretty cool.
OK, so while you'll make every attempt to to talk about the DAO and incorporate it into
your discussions.
All right.
Yeah, but you can.
But you're you're quite confident that you're going to be able to activate 19000 gamers
for the for the OK.
And is that is that formalized in anything like that's what said is expecting of you?
Yes, yes.
Well, and because because this is a low shot, it's I see these as an easy target.
An easy target, he says.
And he I think that's cool.
I think it's good that you you understand the environment and that you know what to
expect.
I think that's good.
Yeah, because we as I said, we did that.
We already done that before.
We know what we are getting.
I'm shooting and not shooting for the stars.
I'm like I'm like doing this as down to earth as possible to make sure that we'll we'll
have everyone on board the way that we are expecting and not letting it.
It's better for me to tell you that I'll bring you three packages of candy at the end of
the day and then bring you five.
Then I tell you that I'm going to bring three packets and I bring you one.
And then you're disappointed and say, spoken like a true business manager.
Like to exceed expectations.
All right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So if six percent is is is pretty easy to obtain, what what would be the five days of
events?
Five days.
So if you divide this from in an event that happens from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., you'll find
that it's not an absurd number.
OK.
But what would be an absurd number to expect of you?
Twenty five percent.
Twenty five.
OK.
So you reach six.
Do you think that you'll be able to pretty comfortably get 10?
You think you'll land at 12?
I'm not going to bring you.
I'm going to say six percent.
And this is what I'm signing for.
Sorry for that.
Because if I don't, I'll be disappointed.
I'll feel bad.
All right.
So absurd would be 25 percent.
All right.
Exactly.
All right.
I hate when I do this.
I'll let it go.
I'll let that go.
No, I think I think that's that's good to know.
Anyways, just six percent absurd would be 25.
So everything above six is exceeding expectations.
Yeah.
All right.
So doing this kind of stuff, don't don't reach more than six percent.
Don't reach like by far.
OK, they have big lines and all that.
Got it.
What is the so the KPI for BGS 24?
What does influencers and international TV channel mean in that sentence?
Sure.
Let me put you through this step by step.
Remember when I said that last year we had interviews with the TV channels from Spain,
from Portugal talking about the games.
We have at least one main TV channel that for sure will be there.
And in Brazil, we have five main TV channels that reach like millions of people every day.
So I guarantee that one of them is one of our partners and they will be there talking
about what we are doing there.
And we have and we have for these five days, we have at least one big influencer.
We call them influencer here in Brazil.
There is one guy that is a partner of ours, which is Flix Power, is the only Brazilian
that has a character in Fortnite.
He's one of these time from Gamescom Latam, we had an audience over of one point nine
million people from those influencers from Brazil.
So it's a lot of people reached from those six influencers that we had.
And we probably have a different team of influencers coming to test and play and talk about do
the social media videos talking here.
Here we came to the BGS and now you're trying the sandbox here at the TAL booth.
And this is obviously be 100% in Portuguese.
And this is pretty much what we are looking for here.
We might have someone doing this in Spanish to be able to reach Uruguay, Argentina, Chile
and Colombia and other countries that are nearby going to Mexico.
But mainly this is our goal to have at least these six super awesome influencers that will
be there.
Okay, let's hear.
Last year, we had the center of the of the Brazilian American football team, the national
Brazilian football team, which was a friend of mine that had he has 300,000 followers
on Instagram.
And he went there like to try the game to do some imitations and have some fun and talk
with everybody and do some meet and greet at the booth.
So it was really cool.
It was in the last day and it was super fun.
And it worked really well.
You play a little pickup game of football afterwards.
No, no, we didn't.
But it was really fun.
Cool.
Very cool.
Okay.
That makes sense.
And I realize now that you might not be able to answer this one, but the KPI for Blocktober.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Okay.
So chips doesn't represent the people going to Blocktober.
Okay, need to find them and ask them.
I'll post that question in the proposal discussion.
Maybe someone will be able to pick that one up there.
Yeah, I'll tag Dwyer monkey or I'll start I'll tag everybody.
Awesome.
Okay.
And now those are the questions that I had.
There are two community questions that popped up.
Rocky's Miguel.
Miguel, real life events have always been excellent for attracting players.
If one of the problems of the sandbox platform is low player retention, how would these types
of events help that problem?
He says hi from Ecuador.
Where did they go?
Thank you for your question.
We do have new experiences coming from to the sandbox.
The idea is to retain them with this continuous experience for the sports land.
The idea now is to have a sports land that is 100% life ongoing and will change the season.
Right now we are in Olympic Games season and then we'll be in a new season after September.
We are about to announce a new partner with us and this is what will make people come
back to see what's going on in that place that they like to be.
So on our side, specific, we are doing this to the sandbox to make sure that we have season
after season after season.
That's the same thing that Fortnite does and Roblox does.
And if that's a problem for the sandbox or the other experiences, I don't know.
This is what we will be doing to making people stay at the sandbox.
So continuous gameplay in the same way Fort Knox and Roblox has that will continually
entice people to keep playing.
Season based, I would say.
Season based.
Okay.
Yeah.
Season based.
That's what we see that keep the players coming back.
Cool.
And Rocky's Miguel, his second question was what other objectives would these events have?
I was going to ask my other question, but never mind.
So what other objectives do these events have?
Do they have any other objectives?
The main, yeah.
My main objective is to be able to reach in person all the players from Latin America.
For example, Rocky's Miguel.
Hopefully he'll be there since he's in Ecuador.
We might be able to go to Sao Paulo in October 12th and we might be able to even take a picture
together and talk about how the...
That'd be cool.
Yeah, that's super cool.
And talk about how the sandbox is going.
I can even try my Spanish.
I promise I'll do that.
And that's the idea is to put a face to that place that everybody knows the digital stuff
once you bring them down to earth and they start knowing people that develop that experience,
they start caring more about this.
And that's the main goal.
Because at the end of the day, the game industry is from people to people and we can never
forget this.
So that's the moment that you have to experience this, talk to people, talk to someone and
understand what they have in mind and why we are there.
Got it.
Okay.
All right.
Reach all the players in Latin America that you possibly can to include Rocky's Miguel.
You heard him, Miguel.
Dale.
Dale, Miguel.
Vamos a Brasil game show.
Brasil game show.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a mess, but I'm sorry for that.
All right, so here's the last thing I wanted to go over before we look at closing.
What I noticed as we were talking and you talked, we spoke about this quite a bit earlier.
You're one studio of several that is a part of this.
Is there anything that you can do to share what you've learned, especially in the terms
of booth adjustments, like the different stuff that you can do to talk about the DAO and
then the spaces for quorum?
Is there any way that you can share this with the other studios?
Yeah, absolutely.
We have a secondary document here.
I have both opened here an Excel and a doc that I have all of those things and I'll put
a comment on those.
The thing is, not all of them are building booths the same way that we are doing.
Some of them are doing tickets for people to come.
Some of them that are doing the whole event promotes a beta season or something like that.
So everyone has a different view and thing to be done.
But at the end of the day, obviously I can share.
We have this conversation.
I learned a lot from you.
And I'll be happy to share all of the knowledge that I got to everybody else.
That's a good thing about having this document all together so everybody can share the knowledge
and the expertise on this.
Thank you.
I appreciate that because if they end up doing the banners in the same or similar way to
where those conversations will happen, whereas if they weren't there, they wouldn't happen,
I think that will address at least some part of the concerns I have.
And the people who did vote no, maybe they will change their vote to yes.
But you do have yes, but you have a yes that's at 60%, not 80%.
I would hate to see this fail because some large nos came in and the people who could
have been convinced and told that this is really what you're going to be doing for the
DAO.
They're going to be like, oh, I don't have a problem with this anymore.
You can count on me.
Now I know who to reach.
I see that now, Chips.
I see that.
Yeah, good.
I'm really happy that we spoke about this.
Yeah, that was really cool.
So, were there any topics that you wanted to bring up?
And I appreciated that you asked me questions and you held me accountable to answering them.
No, the questions that I had was pretty much the ones that I did about the DAO and how
do you feel about being convinced and how to present the DAO itself.
That's something that for me is way newer than it's for you.
Obviously not for hermit crab itself, but for me, because I've been working in the game
industry with consoles and mobile and other areas aside of DAOs and blockchain.
So I've been working with this just for a couple of years.
So I've been learning a lot and every time that I talk to that's another reason that
it's important to talk to everyone because every time that I come to an interview or
any sort of conversation I learn during the process.
So for me, it's pretty much like, do you have any tip that when you were starting with the
DAO and when you were starting, would you like to hear any sort of tip like start from
this, start looking at that, know a little bit more of something?
I think the biggest thing I learned when I started this 60 days ago, so I learned about
the DAO when it was announced May 28th.
I didn't know anything about DAOs.
So I've been doing nothing but just learning everything I can, watching all the videos.
I learned that the very first DAO was Ethereum and it crashed when someone hacked it.
So that was the first DAO to ever exist and it did not do, it got hit pretty hard.
So ever since then, DAOs have been forming and then crashing or forming and being successful
to varying degrees.
And what I learned is everyone is just trying to figure it out.
There is no DAO manual because there are so few that have succeeded.
And for the ones that are succeeding like Apecoin, they have massive problems with earning
more money than they're spending.
So because the Apecoin has like hundreds of millions of dollars, like huge budget, and
they've got SIP, SIP, SIP, SIP, SIP, SIP, SIP and no money coming in.
And if you look at their DAOs website, you can see just how little revenue they're able
to earn compared to the massive amount of expenditures.
So bad for business in the long run, they're desperately trying to create value for Apecoin
however they can.
And so you can hold them up as an example of a successful DAO that is doing DAO things,
but what does their long-term health look like?
So that's the fight that a lot of these DAOs seem to be having.
And everyone, because it's community-led, everyone has a different idea of what success
is supposed to be.
So the sandbox DAO is in a similar situation where we're so brand new, we're very decentralized.
A lot of us disagree on what the sandbox DAO should look like, but the added thing that
I think you should be aware of for the sandbox DAO is we have a game behind us.
We have land and NFTs and we have this infrastructure and this foundation that you're very aware
well of right now that underpins the DAO's behavior.
And it started off centralized, not decentralized.
It started off with Serial and the founders all coming together to say, this is what we
want it to look like.
And then they set off on a path.
A lot of the sandbox community, the SanFam, is skeptical at best and resentful at worst.
If you listen to the Discord and look at the Twitters and all that, you're going to see
some of that.
And some of that is a reaction to your proposal when you look at the no's that you received
in this down here in the bottom where you can see the little...
I can't see it.
But when you scroll down in the snapshot and you see the votes, you have 141 votes so far.
And under the no's, there's a little...
There.
Okay.
So if you're looking at my stream, down here, you can see that little no.
If you hover over, you'll see the reason why.
You'll see the reason why if they gave you one.
What was the no?
So Tiché, a very big, prominent voice, someone who I would reach out to if I were you to
turn his vote around.
And he thinks that this is just something close to nepotism where you're giving money
to yourselves.
Right?
He thinks that this is improper business conduct.
I'm not going to speak exactly for him, but if I were to paraphrase what he posted publicly,
by the way...
I totally understand.
So this is...
He is not at all the only person who holds this view.
And a lot of people, the way the sandbox style came into being, look at it with that sort
of suspicion that the Dow owners, the advisory council...
I'm sorry, the special council and the advisory board, looks at it like we're going to give
money to ourselves.
Like Hermitcraft Studio is owned by Mateos, right?
And he's on the board.
So the perception is Mateos is trying to give money to his own Hermitcraft Studio.
But as I've discovered talking to you, that that doesn't really seem like the case here.
Yeah, I don't know how does this sound to you.
On my point, and I've been working on this, on the event itself, the idea is pretty much
try to bring more people to the event, to the sandbox itself.
Makes no sense for me to...
At the end of the day, I want to keep working at Hermitcraft and I want to keep working
at the game industry.
So what matters to me is to have more people playing my games, playing the games that I
work at.
And every time that I bring more people on board, the longer I can keep doing this.
I love the job.
I told you, I love doing this.
So what I want to...
If I could print this on the moon and say, go to the sandbox now and have fun and play
our games at the sandbox, I would do that.
Doesn't matter how much does it cost.
All that I want is having more people playing and having fun.
Because this is why, that's why we develop games.
Isn't it for having people gathering around, having fun?
So that's what I want.
I'm not making a dime on this.
I think that's come through loud and clear, Chips.
I think that's come through very loud and clear.
The more people that we have here, the more money that you at the down will have to keep
doing cool stuff.
Having cash, making something that you like.
And I'm putting the link to the SIP.
I don't know why I haven't done this before in different podcasts, but I'm going to put
a link to the SIP for people to vote on in the chat.
All right, so there's two links.
Rockies Miguel said, can you send me a link of that page?
That right there is the proposal itself, Rocky, where you can vote.
And then here is the forum post where you can ask questions and talk to Chips and the
rest of the team who can clarify anything that you'd like to know.
Just so you guys know, although it's written hermit crab, it's 100% me.
I'm the one answering all the calls.
So if you have to yell at someone, Chips is the one you're yelling at.
Remember there's now there's a face on this.
Whenever you call it a stupid or brain damaged person at the hermit crab, you know you're
talking to me.
My opinion after my take after listening to this is it's not necessarily a because I'm
a part of the advisory board and Mateos is part of the advisory board that Mateos is
putting forth a SIP that will only benefit hermit crab studio.
It doesn't seem like that at all.
It seems more like you do this all the time.
You're going to do this anyways with or without.
You would like to do this and incorporate the DAO in the sandbox.
And with this funding, that's what you can do.
That's exactly it.
All right.
Well, now you nailed it.
Because again, as you mentioned, we were going to do this anyway.
We're going to do this with or without you.
And it will be super awesome if we could do with you because we believe on this and we've
been working on it since no one ever knew about this.
Yeah.
And long before there was a DAO, long before there was anyone who cared, you were you were
there doing it.
And we were literally hustling there because we were evangelizing, evangelizing everyone
to come to play it.
And it was really hard to do this on our own.
And now we feel that we have the power to actually do something big here, to actually
print this and say, come to the sandbox, to the DAO and make it work.
So I'm happy that I even have the chance to do that.
You know?
All right.
Right on.
Chips.
Excellent.
So, Will, I think we'll end on that note.
That was a good, a great way to address the elephant in the room is what we say.
And do so in a way that makes it clear that this is really the reason why you're here.
So I'm just making a note on my slide as we're talking and then we'll go to the conclusion.
Conclusions.
So it's super cool to talk with Lancer.
What?
No, no, go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, I just said what I should be writing.
Chips.
You're pretty cool, man.
You're pretty cool.
All right.
I see why they made you the business manager.
All right.
Let's start moving toward a conclusion.
So future episodes.
All right.
We just concluded.
We're about to conclude.
Talking with Chips from Hermit Crab Studio about SIP number 10, which is a collection
of blockchain events and not just blocking events, gaming events, blockchain events,
things that are related to the sandbox, which the sandbox DAO with this, the funny that
they're seeking would be incorporated into at the very least Hermit Crab Studio and what
they want to do later on.
And I was just looking at it.
It's going to happen.
Don't tell me.
11 October?
Nope.
That was last year.
Shoot.
What is it this year?
Isn't it 22?
What's the event?
The event is 9 to 13 October of this year.
So if you are nearby, take a look and go visit Hermit Crab Studio, who will be there with
or without SIP funding, by the way.
And all right.
And the next episode is August 12th.
So a few days.
But today is August 12th.
Wait a minute.
Wednesday.
I forgot to put it up here yet.
But my next one is on Wednesday with another SIP author.
And it'll be Mark Baggo.
He'll be doing this.
He'll be doing the Sandbox Academy in the Philippines.
So as you can see, this show isn't just about one SIP or one idea.
Cover a lot of different SIPs.
So where we have chips today, we have Mark.
Anyone who widely wants to use the Dallas resources, this is all about telling the story
and hearing what you all want to do and how you want to do it so that people can see that
this isn't just some nepotism crazy thing where you're trying to steal money from the
Dallas.
There are real people.
They care and they want to do a good job.
So Sandbox spaces.
Let's go to the next slide.
So if you're able to make it, chips, if not, no big deal.
But there is Mochaverse Hall happening in an hour and a half for now.
738.
Oh, two, two and a half hours.
Excuse me from now.
It's kind of late in the night, but they did that so they can incorporate different different
time zones because they have people from all over the world.
If you are able to show, I'll introduce you to the host.
His name is G and he would be happy to hear the SIP as you want to explain it.
And it's on Twitter space.
So, is that?
They happen every week.
Yeah, but just message me if possible and we can.
I'll do that.
All right, and last but not least, who should we raid chips?
Is there anyone that Twitter and Twitch that we should raid?
Not yet.
I do have a lot of people that I like to on the Mondays, especially.
But he will be alive in a couple hours.
No one yet.
Sorry.
So let's look to see if there's anyone on my huddle huddles online.
So she's another person that if you're able to get on her stream huddle hill is a very
well known voice.
She already has 28 people.
Yeah, we're going to raid her.
We'll raid you.
So let's go and initiate that.
What do I have to do?
Right.
Slash raid huddle hill one L as she likes to say all the time.
Just one L and.
Yeah, thank you, Miguel.
You've been Miguel said he's very new to the Dow.
You've been really the word inquisitive.
You've been very inquisitive.
So please, if you can make it to Brazil game show, go see hermit crab studio.
And I appreciate you asking so many questions about about the Dow and and what we have going
on here.
And the raids been created.
OK, so thank you for your time.
Oh, we got though late.
Wait, wait, I got this.
Hold on.
That's where's my.
In portuguese.
Here we go.
All right.
Obrigado pelo seu tempo.
Tenha uma ótima noite.
Thank you for your time and have a great night.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.