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All right, everyone, this is Sandow Podcast Episode 10.

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And today we have Dr. Loretta Chen, CEO and co-founder of Smobler, who is on the Sandbox

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And today we're going to learn about Dr. Chen, Loretta, and her perspective as an advisory

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board member.

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Thank you so much for having me, Shane.

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It is an honor, a pleasure, a delight.

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It's great to share my thoughts, energies with wonderful people like-minded individuals

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in a community.

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But my first disclaimer is I have a lot of pets, as many of you probably already know.

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I talk about this all the time.

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And so I literally have five little kitty cats around me.

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You can't see them.

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So if I occasionally go off camera or you see something jump over, it's nothing supernatural.

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It's just my kitty cats playing.

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They're very excited.

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And this is the time they're all awake.

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They're literally all awake and doing a carnival and Cirque du Soleil around me.

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So I just wanted you folks to be prepared.

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Little feline acrobatics.

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Yes, exactly.

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So today, the scope of the talk group is today's a meet and greet with Loretta.

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And I said SIPDRAF, excuse me.

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It's a meet and greet and a learning opportunity.

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So those are the two things that we are after today.

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And jumping straight into introductions.

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So I'm Lancer, the podcast host.

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I'm a landowner and avatar owner.

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I have a wow.

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I love my wow.

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My world of women.

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The NFT, I run around with her and sandbox all the time.

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And I love business, entrepreneurship, gaming.

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And the DAO is like that perfect intersection to where it just it speaks to me.

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And so I'm doing this to really just explore the DAO, everything about it.

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I didn't know what it was 60 days ago.

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So I had to learn fast along with a lot of other people in San Fam.

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And I've been in different communities like BOTB, the Bulls on the Block, Ostracadies,

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Mochaverse Hall, some of the things that Loretta herself were AMA, did AMAs in.

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And just learning what do the different DAOs do, what's working, what's not working.

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And then just have podcasts like this where we can learn with people and talk to people

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and see what the community is all about.

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And that wraps up me, Loretta, would you please introduce yourself?

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You know, you just put me to shame.

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I actually think that you know so much more about the space and the DAO than I do.

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You know, and sometimes one of the things about being a founder is that you're flying

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the plane.

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You're building and you're building a plane as you're flying it.

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And so so much time is spent, you know, creating things, breaking things, fixing things, right?

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Talking to folks, you know, you know, listening to your staff and growing the community that

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I often always, you know, bemoan the fact that I don't have enough time to be learning

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about my history.

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So I actually am absolutely delighted to be on these sorts of AMAs and podcasts where

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I get to know our community members.

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I get to know what you think, what you feel, what you do.

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And this becomes a learning opportunity for me.

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So thank you all for having me and for sharing again your time.

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So just quick background.

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I think we had a joke just prior.

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I think Shane was saying, what is it that I don't do?

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I don't do technology, which is kind of funny, given that I am a founder now of Smobla, which

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is a Metapass first and digital first agency.

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So a little bit about me, born and raised in Singapore.

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We'll talk a little bit about that.

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Happy National Day to all my Singaporean friends.

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Born and raised in Singapore, was educated obviously in Singapore, in London, in the

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UK, so you could probably tell a little bit from my accent.

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Also did my PhD in UCLA and always had my career in three different verticals, academia,

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obviously, academia, education, entertainment, my entire family is in entertainment and in

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entrepreneurship.

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So I had a career on radio, on TV, in the theater, in publishing as a shameless Shane.

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And I also ran a deactivation group with my brother, my second brother, Eric, where we

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designed and built retail spaces and a global travel and retail scene as well as doing the

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branding, marketing and events.

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So fast forward to 2014, I moved to Hawaii and really went back to what I love to do,

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which was working with women and youths and social enterprise and education.

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But fast forward to 2020, one of my ex staff who'd lost job over COVID called me and he

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has an autistic son and was down to his last $70.

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And we didn't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

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This was just to set it in context, take us back to 2020, April, May.

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There was no vaccine in sight, everyone is in lockdown, it's a black swan event.

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So my altruistic bleeding heart was like, what could I do to help in this very helpless

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situation?

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And when Ruel told me about the Sandbox Open Metabase and the ability to be a creator,

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I got really interested and I leaned in really for him and for other creators who lost their

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work.

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And I saw that it was something fundamentally groundbreaking about this blockchain technology

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that the ability to then own our data was something that was going to be rather revolutionary.

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And so while I don't have background in gaming or in blockchain, the entrepreneur and the

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creator soon saw the opportunity to bring brands, IPs and communities into the space.

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And that's how we grew.

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The curse and the gift of an entrepreneur.

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That's absolutely right.

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The curse and the gift, they're like two days, the joy and the days and the life.

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You need to fill in the there's so many needs.

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Yeah, the day you establish the company and the day you sell it off or get it acquired

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or IPO.

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I mean, I've been a zero entrepreneur.

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My previous companies have either been acquired or M&A.

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So you know, we'll see what happens to Smolberg.

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But yeah, happy to take any questions.

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I'll pause there and then let you leave the conversation.

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Yeah, you so I think I heard you say earlier on you were in a newscaster or you were a

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radio show talk show host.

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So I ran my own show in the 90s.

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It was called Go 90 FM.

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Classic old very 90s.

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And so I can also talk like that.

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I can talk like that and be like a regular Singapore girl.

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You know, today is my Singapore's national day.

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So I can always slip into my Singaporean accent.

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But yeah, I ran my own radio show.

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And then I later on ran my own show as well called The Art of Lush with Loretta Chen on

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Lush.

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You can easily revert back to that voice, huh?

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Yes, yes.

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So that's really fun.

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And I had to read the news as well.

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And you know, that was something that and having said that, just having the opportunity

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building broadcast media really gave me a huge understanding on how the media landscape

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works, which is also why, you know, transitioning into Web3 was fairly easy for me because I

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recognized how privileged I was to have been able to be an institutionalized broadcast

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media.

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Right.

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So back then, you know, you have to be selected or shortlisted or handpicked to be on TV,

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radio, insert, major broadcast institutions.

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Because today, every single person yourself, Shane, right, the 12 year old that has 200

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million followers, like every single person today is a media platform.

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So I find that hugely exciting.

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And really, I feel very blessed to have seen the transition having been a broadcast broadcaster

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myself and me being institutionalized media to now I'm transiting and being part of the

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creator economy is a great joy for me.

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Wow, that's that's really special.

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That's a good beginning into the institutional side of things.

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And now that you're here in the more decentralized place, you walk into it with an appreciation

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for what the other side goes through taking the best because there's good and bad with

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everything.

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So taking the best from that and then augmenting where you currently are.

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So I have no doubt that's that's enabling where you are now.

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That's absolutely right, Shane.

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And I think it's having you know, it's the benefit of hindsight and older age, right?

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Folks down the space a lot younger than me.

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And recognizing that there's so much more media savvy.

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I mean, they're born with a digital code attached to it's not an umbilical cord anymore.

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And it's it's it's tied to their to their digital gadgets.

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And I think it is very heartening and also exciting to see how every single young person

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today really wants to be a creator.

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In a way when I was younger, you know, I think already a very traditional family where every

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single one of us is an artist and an entrepreneur.

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That's already very, very different in Asian family.

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My parents were hugely supportive.

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I did not have the traditional Asian story where Asian mom and dad says don't be this

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and that don't do this and that do this and that my Asian parents were like, go be the

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best version of you.

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We love you.

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Oh, that's special.

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You know, and that already is such a blessing that that I know that I have that I always

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try to pay for it.

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So and then you speak, is it Malay or Tamil?

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Okay, so when I can speak Mandarin and I can believe that Malay meaning I can speak a little

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bit of Malay just a little bit.

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All right.

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And so just having that background of a very atypical Asian family being raised as an artist,

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as an entrepreneur to do the best that I be the best version of me.

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And now seeing to your point that transit where you needed to be institutionalized media

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and it was only powers held by a few to today where everyone has the power to be media,

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right?

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Leading to the conversation we're having today on the sandbox down that we're democratizing,

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you know, commercial community spaces, which I think is the heart of today's conversation.

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But I'm happy to have you into those directions.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So thank you for forgiveness.

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You're very colorful background that see like I like, like I said before, it seems like

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there's a shorter list of what you haven't done.

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Really, it's quite fascinating.

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And so let's move on to the disclaimer.

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So normally I say I do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation.

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Do you have any representation of any kind for the sandbox foundation or sandbox doubt?

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I think I can say that I am an advisor, but I certainly cannot speak on behalf of the

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sandbox or the organization, but I definitely can't speak for myself as the founder of smobler,

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which is an investee studio of the sandbox, but I certainly cannot speak all the sandbox

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and shout out to smobler smobler.

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It is a made up word.

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It is a made up word.

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It's two Swedish words smart and blah, blah, blah.

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So smart means small and blah, blah is furniture.

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So basically, it's two words that mean like small assets or small furniture, which really

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was how we started building a small little box of assets in the sandbox before we grew.

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Yeah, well shout out to the smobler because you currently have a experience called battleground

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that is live.

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Yes, we do.

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It is one of the most exciting FPS first person shooter games.

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And you know, huge tutors to my team, but working so hard.

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And I think we had huge praise from Panda Pops, who I think is a queen and a legend

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in her space.

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So most definitely is I'm trying to get her on the podcast too.

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Yeah, and so when she says it's a great game and the best that she has seen plate being

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in I mean, I take that as a huge accomplishment.

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So I really thank her for that.

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And of course, the community that's been so wonderfully supportive.

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Yeah.

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And she had the honor of her visiting mine.

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And she was very, very kind to do so.

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So I appreciated that so much.

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I actually want to make a big shout out to her too, because I think she she was the first

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person to I think, a person who designed my avatar.

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Yeah, really?

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I think I met her, you know, and in person and because I said, I don't know how to do

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this, my team does it.

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She said, Oh, I'm going to show you and she proceeded to literally when I was standing

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right in front of her, create my avatar, you know, based on what I was wearing in this

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little yellow outfit I was wearing, because this is my official color.

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It's mobile.

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And yeah, she also gave she also really endowed me with with.

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Yeah, I was very curvy.

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Let's just put it that way.

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Representation of me.

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Yes, yes, absolutely.

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Yes.

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I was very well in depth.

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So we do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation and we are not your

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financial or legal advisors.

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So nothing we say here is to be taken as such unless Loretta says otherwise for herself.

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Okay, we'll quickly go through the scoreboard because there were some interesting updates

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that happened.

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We are now there are two sifts that are open for voting sips number nine and 10.

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Nine is an NFT collection curator nomination, where I didn't know this until I talked to

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Arthmore about it, the Dow is about to receive 14,000 NFTs from the I think it's a combination

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of of of Seb and Jean Michel and some other benefactors where they're gifting it to the

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And so this sip is to nominate for a curator to refocus the collection from a multivariable.

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It's kind of all over the place with different profile picture type investment or ownerships

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to a more I think they call it he said the word provenance.

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So like a theme, it creates something that says something about the sandbox.

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Whereas right now it's it's too it's it's too all over the place for it to do so.

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So we we have to open for voting now.

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And the second one is blockchain events in Asia.

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And I saw your studio and they're Loretta.

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So yeah, that's right.

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I'll be happy to talk a little bit more about that.

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Absolutely.

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So there there's some blockchain events going on in Latin America and Asia, that that they're

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seeking funding to set up booths and all the different sort of outreach expenses needed

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to reach a new demographic to show people about the Dow.

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And that's as far as I could understand.

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That's what it is.

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Is that close?

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Did I get close?

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Yeah, like I said, I think you're definitely much more well prepared than I am.

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And yeah, so I can definitely speak more to the event that we're creating.

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So we are creating Nova Nova is our signature event in Smola.

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Again, background, like I told you, but design and build retail stores.

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And I created the branding and marketing as well as the live events for for a long period

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of time when I was running the activation group.

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And I moved to Hawaii, so that was like 16 years as a co founder together with my brother

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of the activation group.

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And so I've always felt that even though I am in a digital space and we love our different

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media platforms that we are on now, I still think there's something really magical about

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meeting face to face and being able to break bread, give a hug to somebody that you have

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not met for a long time, we've just never seen.

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And so Nova really is the celebration of our in real life opportunities post covid as well

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as an ability to bring Web 2 leaders and Web 3 OGs into a space together to create more

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networking opportunities to have a chance to create even more partnerships, collaborations.

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So this started last year.

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It's an official site event at token 2049.

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And of course, we had the sandbox there, Sebastian was there.

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We also had Sandy Carter from Unstoppable Domains being there and she did her book launch

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there.

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We had one of Singapore celebrities in Chuan launch a music initiative that we're also

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building out.

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And this year we launched it last year.

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And then this year, you know, we're ready to show the world to the rest of the world.

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And this year we also have Champ Medici of Snoop Sun joining us as well.

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So so what happened was we started doing Nova as a site event in Singapore token 2049.

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And then we did another Nova at Austin as an official site event to South by Southwest.

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And there we launched Austin verse together with the mayor of Austin.

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And so this year for Nova Singapore edition, it's going to be even bigger, better because

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we are partnering with the Ordinal Summit.

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Why?

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Because Smobler is launching our own Ordinal's inscription.

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That's super exciting, which I will share more.

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It is going to be the first cross chain Bitcoin Ethereum cross IP sandbox, Roblox collection.

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And so Smobler has even built our own DAP to facilitate the interoperability between these

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Web2 and Web3 communities.

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So feel free to quiz me more about that.

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But that is the huge announcement.

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I think you're one of the first folks to actually hear this.

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So Nova this year is going to be huge.

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We're going to bring in celebrity DJs.

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We have like a sit Champ Medici coming in.

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We're launching our own Ordinal's.

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We're partnering with Ordinal Summit, Opal Foundation, lots of exciting announcements

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to be made.

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A lot of connections.

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Yeah, September 17, September 6 to 9 p.m. in the biggest club in Orchard Road called

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Up In Levec.

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So I'll just pause there and have you jump in.

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And where was that?

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You said Arche 11?

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So it's a big club that's 8000 square feet.

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It's called Arche 11.

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And the reason why we selected a space is also because it fits with our theme.

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It's very futuristic.

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It looks like a little space shuttle.

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You walk out and you feel like you're in Gettyca.

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For those of you who are old enough to watch Gettyca, well, that's my reference at least.

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Like you sort of walk out and it's like a very futuristic space.

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So we're very excited and I'm very happy to invite folks to log on to smobler.io and

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click on Nova to reserve your free tickets today as well.

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Smobler.io.

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Okay, I'm there.

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And Nova 2024.

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I see it.

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Yeah, go and encourage all your viewers, listeners, supporters to go grab a ticket.

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And it's a really exciting time to be in Singapore.

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Yay, Singapore!

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Because it's token 2049 and it is also the F1 season.

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So you have a lot of crypto boys and gals there.

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You have a lot of F1 enthusiasts and of course you have a lot of Web3 gaming enthusiasts

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and just folks who are just genuinely excited about innovation, change, technology, you

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know, really fun time to be alive.

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Good.

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So ARK 11 and Orchard Central.

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And where is that?

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I need to Google that.

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What is that?

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Oh, it's right in the heart of Orchard Road.

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So I don't know which one.

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Yeah, I don't know where you are.

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But it's like being like right in the heart of Times Square.

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If you're in New York City, you know, it's like being right there where it is.

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It's like Orchard Road is the mecca shopping, you know, extravaganza of Singapore.

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So yeah, that's where events going to be.

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So if you are nearby in Singapore, consider going to Nova 2024 at ARK 11 and Orchard Central

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and check out Smobler.

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Yes, yes, exactly.

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There you go.

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Luma ticket and Moongate ticket.

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All right.

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All right.

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So outside of those two SIPs, there are two new SIPs in the draft section.

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One is for the Sandbox Academy in the Philippines by Bago.

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And the second is a Sandbox Ambassador Program by TSB.

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So go ahead and check out.

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There's a lot to participate in.

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If you're Sand Fam and ask your questions to the new SIPs and cast your vote for the

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current SIPs on the voting floor.

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And selfish plug for myself, we have submitted five of our six SIPs right now, the last one

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being the Sandow podcast.

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Just currently going back and forth between myself and the PM team to get funding for

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this podcast.

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And so I'm pretty excited about that one.

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We'll see how that works out.

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Wonderful.

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I really hope the community will support you and thank you for the work that you do.

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And you know, just a big shout out to I think one of the reasons why I really wanted to

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participate in the DAO is to your point, right?

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I think in hindsight, I've always felt incredibly blessed to have been part of established media

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to have always had a platform, whether it was in radio or television or theater or

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publishing and recognizing that, you know, just not so long ago, see in the 90s, these

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avenues were not made accessible to a lot of folks.

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And then of course, you know, I remember in 2008, that was when because I was a media

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personality in a press call, we said, hey, Loretta, what do you know about Facebook?

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I remember this was like, hey, Facebook.

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And I was like, ah, let me go.

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I don't even know if I say Google that I was like, let me go.

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The dog pile.

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Dog pile.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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AOL that right.

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AOL.

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And so and so and so I think, you know, it was I think none of us then had the realization

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that this what we now call social media, the age of interaction is going to be as big

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as it is today.

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And so I think fast forward to we now see, especially in 2008, 2008, 2016 elections on

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how, you know, central or centralized media and technology sometimes wreak havoc.

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And I think the watershed moment was also with folks sort of woke up to recognize that

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a lot of our information, our data, our creations are now technically being owned by.

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And it's not to say that there isn't a place for all parties to exist.

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It is, I think, always about having opportunity, having choice.

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I think it really is about having folks have the freedom to be able to access different

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media, different platforms.

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And so I think that's why I'm really excited.

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Agency.

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And to have agency.

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Exactly.

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To have agency.

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And so we know that these are early days.

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We know that these are experimental phases.

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We know that there are a lot of skeptics.

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But I nonetheless think that it is really important for us as visionaries and changemakers

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to have some sense of idealism, because you do need a sense of courage and fearlessness

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to chart something new.

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And I think it's really exciting to be able to empower our landowners, our sand holders

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to have the opportunity to have a voice and a say in a community that matters to them.

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As in real life, as you know, it's not easy to get people to vote.

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But I do think that it is important.

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A current predicament for us right now.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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But it is important for us to consistently push, you know, to have different voices to

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be heard and to exercise ability to vote.

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Yeah.

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And a plug again, two sips on the voting floor.

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We've had trouble reaching quorum the past three sips.

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And one of them failed because they didn't reach quorum.

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That was the the Paris City jam, unfortunately.

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It had the positive vote.

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It just didn't reach the 30 million needed.

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So that's currently a predicament of ours that we're that we're trying to rectify with

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reaching out things like this and touching base with known landowners and sand owners

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to just get the word out.

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Vote yes, vote no, just vote.

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Give it give it your consideration, please.

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That's right.

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I think again, you know, I'm a Singaporean, so I'm not here to be talking about U.S. politics

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at all.

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But, you know, as one of the party candidates is, you know, when you vote, you know, you

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win.

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And I really think it's so important for us to exercise agency and our voice, especially

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if it's a community that you believe in.

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You know, I think I encourage everybody to lean in and just read.

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I think it's always so exciting to be part of something new.

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So education for me is key and just being aware of what's happening.

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So hopefully a little podcast would inspire a few folks to go into the sandbox down and

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go read up on the six that are out there.

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And we really want your support and have you come join us in some of these events and just

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that lots of folks have put a lot of heart and thought into.

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Yeah, we're all one same thing.

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And I can attest just how hard it is to do a sip.

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Oh, my gosh, it is.

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It takes a lot of effort.

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Yeah, it forces you to really think through.

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So it's not like, yeah, you know, let me just tweet something and have people vote.

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No, it really is a very thoughtful process.

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I think for most folks have not done this.

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Like to your point, you may not have a real appreciation of how much thought actually

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goes into this.

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So the team actually works really hard.

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So a big shout out, obviously, to Cyril Ford, who was a head of Dow and the team works really

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hard to try and canvas, corral and also guide the six.

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And it also helps the community to really think through our ideas a lot better.

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Right.

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Sometimes the best way to be challenged is to be challenged and to voice out your thoughts

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so it's not in your head and to have to discuss it for the people to have to present it before

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you present it to public.

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It has to be a well thought through idea.

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So just exercise on its own to your point, she is incredibly valuable.

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They're it's it's been it's been a real joy to to learn through this process and in all

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the different things that are required to to make this work.

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I mean, you have to think about everything you the schedule.

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How does it impact the schedule?

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If I want this part, does it increase the cost?

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Is that acceptable?

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Is it reasonable?

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Like, at what point do I know I need to taper off the cost because I know it's not going

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to be accepted by the community?

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It's just there is there's so much to to go through.

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But yeah, so hats off to anyone who creates a sip because it is an endeavor.

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So I noticed getting down to the discussion piece for the for your background.

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You're also a mocha holder.

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Yes, I am.

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Yes, I am.

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I am a mocha mocha lies.

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What they say is that what they say?

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Yeah, you know, I have to confess, right?

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I am one of the early mocha holders and I've been just I read I'm like, wow, you know,

475
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,720
look at what so obviously, you know, I keep in touch with, you know, my mocha community,

476
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,040
but they have to say, wow, they're, you know, they're killing it.

477
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Literally, I think that mocha committee is really grown and I see folks being really

478
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,200
happy about being part of the mocha community.

479
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,200
And yeah, so it's exciting.

480
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,920
And it's making big moves.

481
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,520
I am a new mocha holder.

482
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,920
So I think I, I obtained a mocha maybe three weeks ago.

483
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,960
And they just right before they did the airdrop where you can stake and all that.

484
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,560
And so I chose to vest.

485
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,960
So I'm in it for a minute with the team for the long haul.

486
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,720
And yeah, is that what they say?

487
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Diamond hands.

488
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Yeah.

489
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,160
So I'm very excited about that.

490
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,040
Yeah, I got my mocha and my was an easy selection.

491
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,720
I just got all the ones with cats.

492
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,200
So it's like that was her mom, the 25 cats.

493
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,840
I don't know how you do it.

494
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,040
All that world domination and plotting going on in your house.

495
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,160
It's a lot happening now.

496
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,160
It's a little carnival.

497
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,760
So let's move to there's something I noticed when I was looking at your background, possibility

498
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,280
per people, purpose and possibilities.

499
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:31,160
But what the question I was going to ask first was what drives you and, and I was thinking

500
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,880
that there was my answer right there.

501
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,680
Can you can you make the connection?

502
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
What what do you really what really motivates you?

503
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,600
I was going to add the other piece pets because I don't even hear it by my cats are going

504
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,520
like this and I'm you know, it's it's dinner time.

505
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,440
But you know, I think a lot of people think I do a lot of things.

506
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,520
But what I really want to say is I really do just three things.

507
00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:01,360
Really, I create, I connect, I communicate, just like an artist, you know, that, you know,

508
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,720
works that craft over different canvases, whether it's digital art, or whether it's

509
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,320
sculpture, or whether it's watercolor, or whether it is acrylic, you know, or just regular

510
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,360
pencil sketching your painter as well.

511
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,440
Yeah, actually, my brother, big shout out to my brother Edmond Chen, Google him.

512
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080
He's the world's.

513
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,440
He owns the Guinness Book of World Records for the longest painting in the world.

514
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,680
And he also happens to be Singapore's Tom Cruise, and a really excellent actor.

515
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,120
Oh, that's cool.

516
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,120
That's special.

517
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,160
I also have a Guinness World Record most moves.

518
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Really?

519
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Yeah.

520
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,040
So so I create I'm I'm I connect with that big time.

521
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:49,560
Music novels, I've just been same thing, but more of the artist industry instead of whereas

522
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:58,080
you were quite quite the serial entrepreneur in the industrial and it's quite impressive.

523
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Thank you.

524
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,560
I think every single person in my family, Edmond, Eric and I, that's my two brothers

525
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,880
and I we I think we just can't sit still like we always say, what's the next challenge?

526
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,880
What's the next challenge?

527
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,880
I think we egg each other on.

528
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,880
Yeah.

529
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,520
So really, I think what I do and thank you for picking that up, my tech line has never

530
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,520
changed.

531
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,200
In fact, I've always been very, very consistent.

532
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Everyone thinks that I am such a queen of reinvention, but really fundamentally, the

533
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640
packaging may change, but the core of me remains the same.

534
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600
I'm inspired by all purpose and possibilities.

535
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,360
I think the heart of what I do is always about trying to create a metaverse for good or creating

536
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,280
a community for good.

537
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,240
Whether with the platforms that I use, we're TV, radio, publishing, and now in the digital

538
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,280
space or creating real world space, this is always about how do I bring people together?

539
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,640
How do I create diverse ideas, possibilities together?

540
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Because I truly think that when we can envision and we can make that come to coalition or

541
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,800
fruition, I mean, that in itself is really powerful.

542
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,640
The ability to bring people together and the ability to because I've always said that because

543
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:10,200
I've always had the ability to or to have the fortune, the good fortune and a privilege

544
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,160
to be put in a director position, whether it's an artistic director, a creative director,

545
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,160
a founder.

546
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:23,040
And I realized that what is similar in all these roles is the ability to sit and listen

547
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:29,040
to very diverse points of view and to make every single person feel heard, respected,

548
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,840
and yet be able to bring all these diverse talents, views, possibilities together in

549
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,760
a united vision.

550
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,160
And I think that is such a skill, whether running a small startup or running a country

551
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,280
or running a down that really is what it is.

552
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:51,640
It's about bringing all these diverse possibilities and perspectives together and then to form

553
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,200
one not perfect but a petrol state of possibility.

554
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,640
I think I don't think utopias exist, but I think that the continual push for us to want

555
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,340
to do better, to want to come together, to challenge each other and to believe in possibilities

556
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:10,080
that things can be better.

557
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,040
I think that's what inspires me in every single thing that I do, whether it's a book that

558
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,360
I wrote or a sip that I'm creating or an event that I'm creating.

559
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,000
The next one's got to be better.

560
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,720
The work is never perfect and finished, but it's perpetual work in progress.

561
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,920
And I think that really defines who I am and what I truly believe in.

562
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,960
It's the act of purpose that makes it really fun for me.

563
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,000
I connect with that.

564
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000
I connect with that.

565
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,600
I learned very early.

566
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,680
It took me a little while.

567
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,240
My first business that I owned, I tried to wait for it to be perfect.

568
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:49,040
I didn't realize that had I had got that 80% solution and then just iterated on that,

569
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,760
I would have been leagues.

570
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,320
That compounding interest in terms of experience.

571
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Absolutely.

572
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,640
I didn't realize that.

573
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,560
I wanted to be perfect because when they saw it, it had to be great.

574
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,040
And then I didn't realize until my second or third business that, well, hold on.

575
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,920
If you get it reasonable and out the door, then you can improve and make it better and

576
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,920
better and better.

577
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,860
And whatever you started with, it'll be leagues ahead of that.

578
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:15,520
And that's something that sounds like you've been doing for a while now.

579
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,600
And now, it's mobbler.

580
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,600
That's right.

581
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
That also means that to never be afraid of having these mistakes, right?

582
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,320
Because these really are the opportunities for you to learn and grow.

583
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,880
I mean, as the startup founder, I mean, like I said, I've been a serial entrepreneur.

584
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,760
Literally, one of my staff was just texting me.

585
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,040
She's like, wow, what has happened?

586
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,880
And I said, yeah, but I have all of you to count on.

587
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,160
And I think to your point, I think it's the continuous pursuit, right?

588
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,680
And it's to lean into very uncomfortable moments and it's not to fear those mistakes.

589
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,840
Because honestly, that's exactly when you learn.

590
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,840
It's exactly when you pivot.

591
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,000
It's exactly when you look back and you think, huh, should I edit that?

592
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Should I change that?

593
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Should I rethink that?

594
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Do I need to recalculate, recalibrate?

595
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,400
And then forces so much more clear analysis by paralysis.

596
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,400
Exactly.

597
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560
So, so do it and then fix it, you know, rebuild it.

598
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:09,640
But I would say not lose faith and be a little fearless.

599
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,640
Yeah.

600
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,400
You have two entrepreneurs here, if you're listening, telling you, just go do it.

601
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,860
If you take my route, you will be in the analysis phase forever.

602
00:35:20,860 --> 00:35:24,600
And then by the time you submit it, you'll be like, oh my gosh, I wish I had done this

603
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,320
years ago.

604
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,960
How much effort could I have put in to make it better if I had just set it out there?

605
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,520
Because once you set it out there, then it starts interacting with reality.

606
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,440
And that's what really gets you further along.

607
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Oh, I wish I could talk to my young 18 year old self again.

608
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,640
Well, that's just two years ago, right?

609
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,640
So you've got to...

610
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,920
Sure, sure.

611
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,320
So people, purpose and possibilities and pets.

612
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,000
And you do this by creating, connecting and communicating.

613
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,160
Yes, yes, I do.

614
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,720
And what I very much hear is, shoot for the moon and even if you miss, you'll land amongst

615
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,560
the stars theme going on.

616
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Oh, yeah.

617
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,560
100%.

618
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,560
That's always been...

619
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Yeah, that is definitely something that's really close to my heart.

620
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Yes, absolutely.

621
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,800
But also to always have a really strong network around you, you know, and when you need a

622
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,000
strong network, you don't have to have like a 1 million follower community.

623
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,520
I think sometimes just to build really, you know, just to have something that you can

624
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,520
rely on, right?

625
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:32,760
Whether it's your faith or your family, for me, my pets and a few close friends, you know,

626
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,120
a few mentors and role models you look up to.

627
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,080
For me, like I said, I'm very thankful I have my family.

628
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:45,760
But you know, I think it's to find these pillars that you can count on and then, you know,

629
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,680
just go forth and create.

630
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,680
I think that's really important.

631
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,640
And that's why we also want this doubt going back to your premise of this conversation,

632
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,640
right?

633
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,880
That do we think it's going to be perfect?

634
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,880
No.

635
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:07,560
But are we all game to make this an arena where folks can, you know, feel that they

636
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,840
are part of?

637
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,840
Yes, right?

638
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Are we going to get this right from day one?

639
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,600
No.

640
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,960
I think Sebastian, myself and a lot of advisors and special council members who have gone

641
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,600
on podcasts and AMAs have said that, you know, we don't think that this is going to be perfect

642
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,360
the minute we set this up.

643
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,240
But that is why we continually want to make this better with all your input and your feedback.

644
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,600
And there are going to be times when folks aren't happy with the Build This Challenge

645
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,640
or they're unhappy with this or that.

646
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,480
Or similarly, it's not our team says, oh, we want this or a committee member says we

647
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,480
want that.

648
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,560
I think these are the processes that hone you.

649
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,200
And then you continually try to be better than than you are yesterday.

650
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,760
That really is the enterprise.

651
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,960
And in what?

652
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,120
I think I might have missed it.

653
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,360
So you're, you're now a co founder of Smaller.

654
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160
What was the the entry point into the sandbox?

655
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,160
When did your previous self and sandbox meet?

656
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Oh, yeah.

657
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,880
So I actually gave a little bit of a preamble to that at the start, but then I'll make that

658
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,200
a little bit clearer as well.

659
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,360
So I was already in Hawaii.

660
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,480
I had exited from the activation group and I had gone back to my.

661
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,480
Oh, right.

662
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Right.

663
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Yeah.

664
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,480
I have many, many fuzz loves.

665
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,480
I went back to education.

666
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,480
I went back to social enterprise.

667
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,160
I then started a program in the penitentiary, the state penitentiary in Hawaii.

668
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,600
And I was working with women and fundraising.

669
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,880
I was doing all of that.

670
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,040
And during COVID, my ex staff who worked for me, the activation group asked me for for

671
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,920
this opportunity to ask for opportunities for work.

672
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,800
And he had discovered the sandbox open metaverse.

673
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,920
And so to put it even clearer.

674
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,920
Okay, okay.

675
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,920
I understand.

676
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,480
I missed that that little link there.

677
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Okay.

678
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,480
No, no.

679
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,480
So I'll make that very clear.

680
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,120
So what happened was that and this is a great question.

681
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,400
I'm glad you asked was that this was this takes us back to 2020, where there was so

682
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,600
much hype on metaverse.

683
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,160
And this is even before Facebook changed its name to meta.

684
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,080
But there was already this sort of burgeoning, you know, this bull market starting to to

685
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,480
happen.

686
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,760
And there were so many folks and founders who were saying, oh, we're starting this metaverse

687
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,760
and that metaverse.

688
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,800
But the reason why we worked with a sandbox was a few things.

689
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
I think one, the white people was very robust.

690
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,320
I think they had a very clear idea of where they were headed.

691
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Like I said, I think it's not about perfection.

692
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,640
But I thought they had a clear idea because they articulated that they have these limited

693
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,960
lands just like Bitcoin, but you always have 21 million.

694
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,400
That's a separate conversation I'm happy to have.

695
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,240
But it's about demand supply will always have this limited supply of hundred and sixty six

696
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,360
thousand something lands.

697
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,960
And I thought like that that intention itself is very thoughtful and robust because compared

698
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
to some other metaverses, they said, oh, we have unlimited supply of land.

699
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,760
And that to me was just like, how is that going to be valuable?

700
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,360
Because it's so meta.

701
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,360
It's so metaverse.

702
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,480
And this unlimited, right?

703
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,960
It's just metaverse everywhere.

704
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,960
Yeah.

705
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,360
And the value is value is in scarcity.

706
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,280
And if you could drive scarcity or artificial scarcity, there's something there.

707
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,280
So that's one.

708
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,140
And then there was also what I really believed in as an artist and a creator and an entrepreneur

709
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:23,640
is about supporting the creator economy.

710
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,960
So that from the get go is very clear in the sandbox's vision that we want to create a

711
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,840
space for creators to come and be able to create own and play.

712
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,800
And that for me was just the kind of ethos that I was as a person.

713
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,920
I was the same person that started a theater.

714
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,920
I see it now.

715
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,920
I see the connection.

716
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Yes.

717
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:50,200
So that I could pay because I was like, how can I empower actors to and enable them to

718
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,360
have a decent wage?

719
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,840
Because it broke my heart that there's so many actors and creators who had to go.

720
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,440
There's nothing wrong with waiting on tables.

721
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,440
Don't get me wrong.

722
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,400
There's so many people that can't pursue their real talent because they don't make a decent

723
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
wage in their real talent.

724
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,440
So I was always thinking, how do I create platforms?

725
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,800
That was what inspired me to create the first ever for-profit theater company in Singapore.

726
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,400
And then that was what then prompted me to, when I was running an activation group, be

727
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,520
able to use my ability to work in a university, to hire university students, and then get

728
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,040
them to be interns and then get them to be working in my activation group and then creating

729
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,960
a healthy ecosystem of them being able to create, find meaningful work, and then be

730
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,080
able to contribute to society.

731
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:38,960
So it's already doing that ecosystem without even really having a clear idea.

732
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,960
And then, of course, when I came into this digital space, I read the white paper of the

733
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,080
Sandbox and I thought they're very thoughtful in about really wanting to create an ecosystem

734
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,920
because a lot of folks were talking about wanting to create, but really what they're

735
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,680
trying to do was really to monetize and get as much money as possible into this.

736
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Not to say it's a bad thing, but I was just saying, if we want to create a creator economy,

737
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,920
then there must be things that we are doing to sustain that, to encourage that, to empower.

738
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,240
And that was what I saw about the Sandbox, and they've consistently done that.

739
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:15,520
And so that is why when Sebastian asked me to be part of the DAO, I obviously said yes,

740
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,680
also because by then, we'd become one of the more prolific builders in the Sandbox

741
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,840
space as well.

742
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,360
And so I continue to want to believe in this vision.

743
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,440
And so that was how we've become so affiliated and interpolated with the Sandbox community.

744
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,200
It's just a natural affinity.

745
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Yeah, yeah.

746
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:39,280
And I'm seeing it, the create, connect, communicate, people, purpose, possibilities.

747
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,560
And I can see how that...

748
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,240
I similarly connected with the Sandbox when I saw, for me, it was more about all the different

749
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,360
connections that just converged.

750
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:58,400
You had your creators, your level designers, even your speculators, but your business people.

751
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,360
And it was just this mass convergence on the Sandbox.

752
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,640
And now we have the DAO, which is another convergence.

753
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,160
Just, boy, it's so awesome.

754
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,160
Exactly.

755
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,920
And as the saying goes, it really takes a village.

756
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,720
And I think you need all side and the fortitude to be able to bring all of this together,

757
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:19,720
right?

758
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:20,720
It's not easy.

759
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,080
And so that is also why when I see folks that are trying to do similar things that I definitely

760
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,280
want to lean in and support them whatever way I can, because I've also done that all

761
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,880
my life in real world spaces.

762
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,880
And now I'm beginning to bring those together, right?

763
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,080
So really trying to interpolate both my Web2 experience and this Web3 world together.

764
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:44,080
I think that's where Smobler sits very uniquely, really trying to converge Web2 and Web3 worlds.

765
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,080
Smobler.

766
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,080
All right.

767
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,080
Nova 2024.

768
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:53,000
So what was, let's fast forward now.

769
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Thank you for detailing your background.

770
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,640
I think it makes one of the things that I say we, the community, was very, very articulate

771
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,600
in its response after the initial announcement of the DAO.

772
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:12,600
And something that you talked about in your AMAs was who is the advisory board?

773
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Who are they?

774
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,600
What do they stand for?

775
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,600
What do they like?

776
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,960
And you did some introductions yourself.

777
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,080
So I appreciated you expounding on that.

778
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,120
And let's fast forward to the board.

779
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,320
How did it come to be?

780
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,040
How were you offered the opportunity to join the board and what was your motivation in

781
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,120
joining it?

782
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,000
I think the board, as you can tell, I think very diverse, right?

783
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:42,040
I can tell that part of the motivation is definitely diversity, equity, and inclusion.

784
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,320
I think we could see representation from the Asian community, and then you could see representation

785
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,320
from Inamodja.

786
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,520
And then there's also Matthew.

787
00:44:54,520 --> 00:45:01,480
I can't pronounce his Brazilian name, but the sports athlete, I call it Matt.

788
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,840
So Matt is also on board.

789
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,840
And I think what we've been doing.

790
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Matthew Vivian?

791
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,840
Exactly.

792
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:12,520
So what we've been doing is to ensure that we have diversity from different geographies,

793
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,520
from different races, backgrounds, gender, sexuality.

794
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,320
I think what we tried to really do was to bring an intersection of as much diversity

795
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,400
as we can in a very small group.

796
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:30,680
And to also ensure that the different verticals are at least considered, whether it's music

797
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:37,160
or Metaverse for Good, social enterprise, or sports, or art, or commerce.

798
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,080
And so if you looked at all the bios of every single person, the special counsel, or the

799
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:49,000
advisory board, you can tell that diversity was definitely key in the consideration of

800
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
the members.

801
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,640
And also it was that these individuals had to stand for something.

802
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Like we must have already had illustrious careers from before the sandbox, and that

803
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:06,680
we have extensive amount of experience to back what we're doing.

804
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:12,400
So I do think that a significant amount of consideration and research was done before

805
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960
these individuals were fielded.

806
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,760
So I feel incredibly humbled and honored to be on the team with all these individuals.

807
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,000
And what was it about the advisory board?

808
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,560
You mentioned the diversity part and ensuring that it was well represented.

809
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,520
What about the offer to join the advisory board just made it an easy yes for you or

810
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,520
an automatic yes?

811
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,360
I think it was already aligned with who I am, right?

812
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,040
I think so much of this was already aligned with who I am.

813
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:48,160
And plus I've already had a relationship with the sandbox, and I already know the founders,

814
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,520
and I'm already so integrated with the community.

815
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,920
So I think aside from the personal affiliation, and it was also just believing in the vision.

816
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,520
Again, I go back to is it going to be easy?

817
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Is it going to be easy?

818
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:09,320
So no, but I've often always said, if it's too easy, then it's not worth doing.

819
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,320
Someone else can do it.

820
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
I like doing things that are challenging.

821
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,680
I like to be in liminal spaces where with a cusp of building something that's tough,

822
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,000
it's difficult, people call you crazy.

823
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,640
You are square feet in a round hole.

824
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,740
Those are exactly the kinds of spaces that I truly enjoy.

825
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:30,040
And so when I was asked by Sebastian Bourget, I obviously was an offer I could not refuse.

826
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,520
Plus, like I said, it was so in line with who I was.

827
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,440
Of you couldn't refuse.

828
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,440
I could not, right?

829
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,520
There was just no way.

830
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:45,900
And it was really allowing me to be able to be more connected with folks like you.

831
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:51,120
Everything brings me more joy than when I receive an email, a request, a tweet, a text

832
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,480
to say, can we speak to you about this?

833
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,400
Can we have you on our AME and a podcast?

834
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,600
To me, it's like, wow, there's an impact on what we're doing.

835
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,760
And so in fact, more and folks always say, oh, thank you for your time.

836
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,360
So I'm like, no, no, you don't understand.

837
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,800
Like I'm humbled that you're asking and I'm humbled that someone out there is actually

838
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,320
even listening and paying attention to what we're doing.

839
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:18,600
And I think we are so grateful that people are taking this so seriously.

840
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,440
So thank you.

841
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,280
I want to take this opportunity to thank all of you that's on board and listening and part

842
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,240
of this conversation.

843
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,320
Yeah.

844
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,840
It takes a village, like you said.

845
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Takes a village.

846
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Thank you.

847
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:43,560
I think as time progresses and people understand that we're all people, like the advisory board,

848
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,680
it's not just some friends circle club.

849
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,880
There's thought.

850
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,040
There's thought and effort put into the way this Tao has been formulated and the way that

851
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:00,120
it's being executed along a timeline and a vision.

852
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,800
I hear Seb frequently say he wants to be the cultural capital of the metaverse.

853
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:11,120
And I see a consistency in his efforts and now the efforts of the Tao to help bring that

854
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,240
about.

855
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:19,000
And yeah, I've been wanting to, especially when you popped up in those first few AMAs,

856
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:25,280
I knew I wanted to get you in as soon as I possibly could to understand this.

857
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:31,640
And so what would you say, I've read the Tao constitution and the bylaws and the articles

858
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,400
and memorandums.

859
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,160
What would you say in your words is your role on the advisory board?

860
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,160
To humanize it.

861
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,160
I always say that.

862
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,160
Hey, all right.

863
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Now that is a fascinating answer.

864
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Yeah, I always say that I'm probably like the least qualified person.

865
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Like don't ask me about a blockchain or don't ask me about, you know, some layer one, layer

866
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,400
two, layer zero.

867
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,320
I'm always learning from the degens in my team or don't ask me about the meme coins

868
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,320
and other shit coins.

869
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:07,520
But I always say that if I can make, if I can understand it and I can explain it in

870
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,600
a way that someone else can understand it, then I think we've done our job.

871
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:19,680
I think my role is to often always be the conduit between these convoluted, new concepts

872
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:26,320
that sound very like this, you know, this, you know, behemoth and, you know, of stuff

873
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,320
and just be able to...

874
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,720
All those things that we, the buzzwords we throw out.

875
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,760
Yeah, just get straight to the point and what makes people tick?

876
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,320
What gets to people's heart?

877
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,880
If people understand it, they will get it, they will have buy-in.

878
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,760
I think when you give folks a lot of jargon and you tell them, I mean, there's some, don't

879
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,320
get me wrong, there are some folks that really geek out on that.

880
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,000
And that there is a forum for that and there is ambassadors for that and your spokespeople

881
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,660
for that who do exceedingly well.

882
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:56,760
I'm not that person.

883
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:57,760
I will humanize it.

884
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,080
I was basically just recently, I was in a Bitcoin conference and I was in a panel, Michael

885
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Saylor was there.

886
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Yeah, Tennessee, right?

887
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,080
I saw that.

888
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,400
And I was asked the same thing and I said, I humanize...

890
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,400
Nashville, Tennessee?

891
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,400
Yeah.

892
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,360
I said, I humanize the face of cryptocurrency.

893
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,840
I humanize the face of Gamepy and Web3.

894
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,600
It's like fundamentally, if I can speak it like it matters to somebody, I think that's

895
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,600
my role.

896
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,040
Fundamentally, if people ask me why I got into this space, it's because I've been outstayed

897
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,480
because I wanted to be able to democratize technology, democratize the availability of

898
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,760
data and to be able to allow creators to have the ability to own their own creativity, to

899
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,200
monetize their own creativity, to be able to put food on their table because now we're

900
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,200
creating jobs.

901
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,520
And I will tell you, recently I went through an exercise in Smobler, anecdotally.

902
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,520
I spoke with every single staff member in Smobler.

903
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,480
And I will tell you that what always moves me and chokes me to tears is when they say,

904
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,640
wow, we're so happy being at Smobler.

905
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,640
And I know that they're being genuine.

906
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,280
They don't have to just say this to me because I'm their father, but they're like, we're

907
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,960
so happy to be doing what we love.

908
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,280
And that makes me so happy because I know that that is a fact because some of them have

909
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
always wanted to be in gaming, have always wanted to be a creator, have always wanted

910
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,400
to have the flexibility, especially for working for moms.

911
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:26,240
They're literally having their interviews with me with their toddlers in their arms.

912
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,560
Just the ability to know that I have impacted their lives and created jobs and allowed them

913
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,040
to put food on their table and to be able to play the games that they create with their

914
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,040
kids.

915
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,040
Like these are the things that really inspire me as a founder.

916
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,880
I mean, obviously, yes, I need to still make money, be able to have the 10x, 100x ROI to

917
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,380
show my investors.

918
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:48,560
But fundamentally what keeps me going, go back to people, purpose possibilities is to

919
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,600
be able to provide for my team.

920
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,400
If I can't take care of my team, I can't take care of my community is the same thing.

921
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:01,480
And so that makes me super happy that the work that I do here has been able to empower

922
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,280
my team and my community.

923
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,040
So yeah, super exciting.

924
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,440
And what about your role and actions thus far in the advisory board has enabled you

925
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,000
to do those things?

926
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,600
It is moments like this.

927
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,960
To your point, I pick up an earlier point that you said that the Dow committee or board

928
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,480
was very well thought of because I will tell you that I didn't know a lot of folks in the

929
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,480
community.

930
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,360
It's not like we're all buddies and we all hang up together like old boys and girls club.

931
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,680
Some of us, yes, we do know off each other, but we actually never had the chance to be

932
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,680
connected.

933
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,400
So I was really excited to get to know Ina a little bit better.

934
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,880
I was really excited to know Mia a little bit better.

935
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,840
I was really excited to know Anthony a little bit better.

936
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,040
And now we're collaborating together on a music project for disability.

937
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,680
I got to know Matt a little bit better.

938
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:57,240
So just having the Dow actually brought many of us who already lead us in this space a

939
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,480
lot closer together.

940
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:04,480
So we weren't like hanging out in some country club sipping champagne.

941
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,760
And it was also a pun, right?

942
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,760
The sip is meant to be a pun on like sipping champagne.

943
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

944
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,760
Too shy.

945
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:10,760
We're not doing that.

946
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,680
Previously, I think we now are able to know each other a little bit better.

947
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,720
And that in itself is an opportunity to get to know folks.

948
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:26,120
And so yeah, so the role is really for me to be an ambassador, to listen, to hear all

949
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,120
of you.

950
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,880
I love it when all of you reach out to me and write to me and tweet and ask and challenge.

951
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,320
I really appreciate that.

952
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,280
And that makes me feel like I'm a useful part of the community and the Dow.

953
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
So please keep on doing that.

954
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Love it.

955
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,000
Love it.

956
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,440
And how often do you all meet as an advisory board?

957
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,120
To be honest, we actually don't meet that often.

958
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,320
But what we do have is we have a Slack channel where we're consistently and constantly chatting.

959
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,440
We also have a WhatsApp group where we're consistently chatting.

960
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,800
And we also have frequent emails with each other.

961
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,200
And then a serial also makes it a point to reach out to all the advisors.

962
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,440
And we have our Zoom meets as we do.

963
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,440
And we have connections.

964
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,800
And every time there's a new sip or there's a new...

965
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,400
E-line acrobatics at work right there.

966
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,840
E-line acrobatics.

967
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:23,560
And so we are definitely always in conversations and in communications with each other.

968
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,120
And today too, I think because of the diverse time zones, et cetera, a lot of the communication

969
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:33,040
is done through these mediums, whether it's through Slack or WhatsApp and email and these

970
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,620
virtual calls.

971
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:40,560
And without getting into the privileged conversations bit, what is it that you all communicate about?

972
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,560
About how do we...

973
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,920
Honestly, it's nothing a closed door that I can't talk about.

974
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,880
It really is about how do we motivate and get people to vote?

975
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,040
I think that comes up a lot.

976
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,260
How does this particular sip or initiative benefit the community?

977
00:55:58,260 --> 00:56:01,960
How do we communicate that to the community a little bit better?

978
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:07,200
I think a lot of our conversations often premise on how do we do better?

979
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:13,400
I will say if I had to surmise a lot of our conversations is how do we do better?

980
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,420
How do we get the communication out?

981
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:17,640
How can we mobilize our community better?

982
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,920
How can we get people to vote?

983
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:26,760
As in real life, like in an election, we can do the panels, the forums, the television,

984
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,500
the debate, the song and dance.

985
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:36,240
But fundamentally, it's always about how do we get people more involved?

986
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,160
And what would you say you found so far to be some more effective success mechanisms

987
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,520
that you've discovered in your conversations?

988
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,480
As in the most successful initiatives to do what?

989
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,320
To get people to go out and vote?

990
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,680
But honestly, it's just consistency, consistency, consistency.

991
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,720
It is consistently get the word out to be tireless and to get your word out in various

992
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:10,240
modalities whether it's the media platforms, to get folks who have a huge following.

993
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:14,040
But fundamentally, it goes back to winning the hearts and minds of people.

994
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,120
And today we need to cut through a lot of different distractions to get to people's

995
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,960
hearts and minds and eventually their time with their fingers, vote with their fingers

996
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,960
and their wallets.

997
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:32,360
And so it is really getting to the hearts and minds of folks.

998
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,120
It's fundamentally that.

999
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:39,720
And have you, and I asked this with all sensitivity, have you seen some of the sentiments that

1000
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:45,480
are, I'm sure you saw in the beginning, the sentiments that were immediately expressed

1001
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,140
following the announcement of the Dao?

1002
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:51,920
Have you seen how that sentiment has been trending?

1003
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,920
What are your thoughts on that?

1004
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Yeah.

1005
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,280
I think as of all things, you know, like I said, I've never been one to fade away if

1006
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,280
there is a challenge.

1007
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,280
In fact, I think that-

1008
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,960
Let me just tell you how much I appreciate that, by the way, because that is, that is

1009
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,960
excellent.

1010
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,160
That is an excellent quality is that initial intensity is something I think anyone in the

1011
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,760
San Fam could have anticipated that.

1012
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,320
And then the continued presence, I thought really, really did was very productive.

1013
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,320
I'm sorry I interrupted you.

1014
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Continue.

1015
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,320
Not at all, not at all.

1016
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,440
But that is, that is exactly what it is.

1017
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Starting anything's difficult.

1018
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,360
I've often always, you know, anything that I did, right, like I said, not just about

1019
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,920
the Dao, like I was the first person to speak on the LGBTQIA rights in Singapore, like very

1020
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,160
open about it, right?

1021
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,320
Always really open about supporting creators.

1022
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,480
I mean, my entire track record in history can back me up on that, right?

1023
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,860
Even before I was the founder of Swobod, like I've had a whole track record of doing that

1024
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:53,520
speaking out for women and, you know, I was even nominated for public office.

1025
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,600
So I think you were, you were nominated for parliament, was it?

1026
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:59,600
Yeah, yeah.

1027
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,600
I did my homework.

1028
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:01,600
Yeah, so they did.

1029
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Yeah.

1030
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,720
And I was, you know, she felt listed to, you know, be the women's wing, I mean, back to

1031
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:14,900
a national day in Singapore, but just having these, just never be afraid to speak my truth

1032
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:16,280
or the truth of the community.

1033
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:22,960
I think authenticity is something that we really cherish and relish today, but I was

1034
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:29,360
already speaking my truth way back when, when it was not comfortable or not pleasant or,

1035
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,360
or frowned upon.

1036
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,480
When it had some very real world consequences, and maybe you weren't in the position that

1037
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,680
you are now to withstand that sort of.

1038
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,680
Exactly.

1039
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,680
Yeah.

1040
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,480
And actually, and this is where I'll give a shout out, you know, Shane, thank you for

1041
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,160
saying that, like even in my earliest book that was published in 2014 over 10 years

1042
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:49,040
ago, where I documented some of my trials and tribulations being a really young creator,

1043
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,280
being female and Asian and a very young creator in a fairly conservative part of the world.

1044
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,940
I mean, I documented those challenges and I often always say, like, you know, to never

1045
00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:01,120
be afraid of them.

1046
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,240
I mean, that's exactly when you grow.

1047
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,240
And I actually documented all of this with my challenges of censorship, my challenges

1048
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,560
with, you know, powers that be, with institutions.

1049
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:19,760
But those have always, I've always prevailed because I think the key is persistence, consistency

1050
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,760
and authenticity, because people will believe you.

1051
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,840
They may not agree with you, but I think an exercise in being able to debate and exercise

1052
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:38,200
in being able to listen really forces you to become clearer in your thought as well.

1053
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:45,200
So for me, that in itself, this in itself, what we're doing is always an act of clarification,

1054
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,680
clarity and getting better in what we're doing.

1055
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,840
So whenever there is dissension, it also means that guess what?

1056
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,000
People care.

1057
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,000
It's when they don't care.

1058
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000
They don't talk about it.

1059
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,000
They're apathetic.

1060
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,960
They, you know, switch off.

1061
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,160
That's when I think we have the bigger problem.

1062
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,880
When people lean in, they comment, they critique, they picket fence.

1063
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,400
It means it matters.

1064
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,520
That's power.

1065
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:14,880
And so, you know, I would take on these challenges any day compared to somebody who's like, I

1066
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,880
don't care.

1067
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:16,880
You know?

1068
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,880
Yeah.

1069
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:23,240
So, so I will say, I always appreciate any sort of dissension, disagreement, because

1070
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,560
it means people care and they, and everyone is important.

1071
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,960
And they all have different histories, different baggage, different points of view, different

1072
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,960
interpolations of the world.

1073
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,960
And so it's really important.

1074
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,760
We, we listen.

1075
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:43,000
Yeah, that's what inspired podcast number one with Hottel Hill and Andy Ritchie.

1076
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,480
And the podcast that started all this off was I knew that there was an undercurrent

1077
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,040
happening during these AMAs, because I could hear it.

1078
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,960
I mean, I've been a gamer and a player and an avatar and we all talk to each other, right?

1079
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,600
That we're all connected in that way.

1080
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,960
And I really wanted to hear from some of the people who I knew they weren't exactly speaking

1081
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:04,960
up.

1082
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,520
And that's concerning because their, their voices that we want to listen to and, and

1083
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,240
Hottel, Hottel Hill and Andy was the start of it.

1084
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,720
It didn't stop there.

1085
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:21,640
Crafter and, and Joseph and, you know, I'll get Touche on and all sorts of, of voices

1086
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:27,560
that are just, we, I want to keep them in the conversation because to not do that, I

1087
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,120
mean, what's the alternative?

1088
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,080
They leave or they fight and then there's negativity in this.

1089
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,720
It doesn't need to be that way.

1090
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,120
It doesn't.

1091
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,120
We have differences.

1092
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,120
Sure.

1093
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,720
Let's just, let's talk it out because we're a community.

1094
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,720
We're a Sam fam.

1095
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:49,000
So anyways, thank you for attending my Ted talk.

1096
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,880
So Women on Top, the art of smashing stereotypes and breaking all the rules.

1097
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:53,880
Is that the one?

1098
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,400
Yeah, that was my first book was published by Marshall Cavendish.

1099
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,040
It's one of Singapore's national publishers or top publishers.

1100
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,080
And like I said, my, I'm really thankful that my books are published by the straights times

1101
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,360
press on national publisher, as well as Marshall Cavendish.

1102
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:16,840
And so, yeah, I had the opportunity to write my autobiography at a really fairly early

1103
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,280
age and I can't wait to see what my next 20 years would be.

1104
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,160
I'm pretty sure I'll have more stories.

1105
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,640
Oh, and yeah, I'm onto my sixth book now.

1106
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,640
So exciting.

1107
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,640
Yeah.

1108
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,920
M, M slash other from December, 2022.

1109
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,680
Oh, yeah, mother women of Hawaii.

1110
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:33,680
Hawaii.

1111
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:34,680
Yeah.

1112
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,680
Yeah.

1113
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,680
About that.

1114
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,160
So mother actually won an award.

1115
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,680
And that's really close to my heart too, because it really talks about alternative modalities

1116
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,160
of motherhood and parenthood.

1117
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:49,200
So the mothers that I feature are not just biological women, but also transgender dads,

1118
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:57,480
LGBTQIA mom and dads, foster mom, foster dads, migrant moms, rape survivor moms, terminally

1119
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,080
ill moms, and really just wanted to shed light.

1120
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:05,360
Again, I often always want to use whatever position I have to shed light on conversations

1121
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,160
that people don't typically hear about.

1122
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,680
Like I said, the danger is not when people are speaking up and having disagreement.

1123
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:17,440
The danger is when we don't hear them, we don't see them, we're silent.

1124
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:25,000
So I feel like part of my joy and role in this world is to be a light, a ladder and

1125
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:31,360
a lamp to be able to shed light, empower, elevate conversations of folks who typically

1126
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,160
don't get a chance to be heard.

1127
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,160
And so that was really...

1128
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Yeah.

1129
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,360
It seemed like that's exactly what you did in collection of 20 interviews.

1130
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,360
Yeah.

1131
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,360
I'm about that.

1132
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,360
Thank you.

1133
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,360
Thank you.

1134
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:50,160
And I can appreciate that because I myself have books on, but nothing of this magnitude.

1135
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,800
Although it's anyone who is a prospective author out there.

1136
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:58,680
So again, she and I, both authors, the hardest thing, and in my opinion, the hardest thing

1137
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,240
about writing a book is getting to the end of writing it.

1138
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,120
The publishing aspect is so accessible.

1139
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:10,620
It's like creating a Facebook account on Amazon and you can just get your book out there.

1140
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:16,480
It is very accessible now, whereas I imagine back in 2014 when you did your first one,

1141
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,360
maybe there was a little more gatekeeping that you had to get through.

1142
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,640
In fact, like I said, and you're absolutely right.

1143
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:27,960
I mean, therefore I said, I'm very thankful that I have the blessing of institutionalized

1144
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:28,960
publishing.

1145
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:33,040
There's a national press that publishes my books, but yes, not many people have the ability

1146
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,680
to say I'm published by XYZ.

1147
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,280
But today to your point, yes, I think publishing has become so much more accessible just as

1148
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,280
gaming has been.

1149
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,640
I think so many of the tools that we take for granted today, if you just look back just

1150
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:51,480
20 years or just 10 years ago, none of these tools were as accessible as they are today.

1151
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:57,520
But yeah, if you are a prospective author, just get the book finished.

1152
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:02,440
Just get to the end and the rest of it will lay itself out for you.

1153
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,440
I promise you.

1154
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,600
She and I have written multiple books and published them.

1155
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,560
I created my own publishing company to publish my own books.

1156
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,840
So that's...

1157
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,080
So I took the, how do I publish this?

1158
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,160
And I did the same thing with my music, is I just researched how to be my own publisher

1159
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,600
and get it on iTunes and that there is a way.

1160
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,280
I promise you.

1161
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,440
And we both are living proof of it.

1162
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,440
I agree.

1163
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,440
I agree.

1164
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:33,920
Me, the more bootstrapper and you, the more illustrious, let's call it.

1165
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,240
It takes all kinds, as you can tell, my cat is sort of dominating.

1166
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,400
First persistent kitty acrobatics going on.

1167
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,400
Oh, persistent.

1168
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,720
She's the cat of the show.

1169
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,720
Yeah.

1170
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:52,600
Back to the Tao, did you have any input into the constitution or the incorporation documents?

1171
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,440
No, that I will say I did not.

1172
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:03,320
So I think what we did have is we had a chance to produce it early on, but I did not actually

1173
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:08,080
contribute to the formulation of the document.

1174
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,880
Do you recall if anyone else on the advisory board did?

1175
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,120
Not to the best of my knowledge, but it could be a lack of awareness and knowledge on my

1176
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,120
part.

1177
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,920
But I myself can say that I did not have a preview.

1178
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,800
I was not privy to the formulation of the constitution.

1179
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:33,240
Was there any sort of discussion about it before it went live on May 28th?

1180
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:40,240
I think by and large, the community or at least the advisory board were pretty much

1181
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,600
quite in sync with what was proposed.

1182
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:52,160
I think what I think we were more excited about the possibilities of launching the Tao.

1183
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:57,480
So we were fairly unanimous in our decision to go ahead with what was proposed.

1184
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,480
Okay, got it.

1185
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,880
Got it.

1186
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:10,120
It looks like you're taking notes live as we're going, it's wonderful.

1187
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,120
You're just multitasking, you're podcasting, you're taking notes, you're listening.

1188
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:20,280
I tell you what, it's more for my sanity than it is just for, you know, I like to keep track

1189
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,160
because these things just are networks.

1190
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,800
And Yatsu says all the time, network effects, you know, and network effects.

1191
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,360
But these things all connect together and it's really interesting to piece together.

1192
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,560
Like, oh, so that's why later on you said this, it connects straight to that.

1193
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:35,560
Now I get it.

1194
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:36,560
It's like constellations forming.

1195
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,560
It's like the composability, absolutely.

1196
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,560
It's just knowledge forming on knowledge.

1197
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:44,160
And I remember back in the day, you know, we had to, my dad who spent tons of money

1198
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,160
buying an encyclopedia.

1199
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,560
And if you had an encyclopedia, you were like pedigree.

1200
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:54,680
But today it's like, you know, we have all these free resources and composability and

1201
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,640
just we just build on each other's networks and knowledge formation.

1202
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,640
Absolutely.

1203
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,960
Do you meet separate?

1204
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,680
You kind of answered this a little bit, but I wanted to ask it more outright.

1205
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,880
Do you meet separate from the special council or is there a combined meeting of any kind?

1206
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:16,680
For now what we do is we have our own conversations with the head of DAO is Cyril and then we

1207
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:21,560
meet with Cyril and then we have a lot of our conversations, like I said, through Slack

1208
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,080
and through the WhatsApp channels.

1209
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:29,440
We I don't think to the best of my recollection, we have not had one big meeting together of

1210
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,680
all the council members and all the advisory members.

1211
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:37,340
I think really it's more the fact that we are all because one of the things about having

1212
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:42,840
such diverse representation is also that we're going to be having very different time zones

1213
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,240
and just being able to be all in the same room could be difficult.

1214
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,280
But I would imagine whenever there's an opportunity to, I would say sure.

1215
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,000
I'm sure we'll all relish the opportunity to be together.

1216
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Yeah.

1217
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,240
So do each of you on the advisory board, do you have different purposes that you've

1218
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,400
fulfilled or is it not quite laid out in that cemented fashion?

1219
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:09,080
I think it's just like how, you know, like I imagine a parliament is sort of made up

1220
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,960
that each person represents a certain constituency, but we don't just speak up for that.

1221
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:14,960
Right.

1222
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,760
Like I think I would imagine I was called upon because of a lot of my work, dealing

1223
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:24,160
with social good and education and supporting diverse voices, right.

1224
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,320
Often always talking about the message of this for good and providing opportunity and

1225
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,880
equity as a social equity advocate and artist.

1226
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:37,200
Imagine like that is my one great value add and trump card.

1227
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,400
But then there are folks like Matt, which is more on athleticism and sports and a sporting

1228
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:46,440
arena and speaking up for a lot of time and, you know, in a different part of the world.

1229
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:52,240
And then you have Ina and you have Anthony that speaks to music and you have Nia who

1230
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:58,280
really is very much a degen and, you know, a technologist.

1231
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,280
And so like, Nia Bao.

1232
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,680
Yeah, how about that?

1233
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:08,280
She's the one I haven't been able to get to yet and see a lot of, but I do intend to.

1234
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,280
Yeah.

1235
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:16,160
So I think a lot of us have very core strengths, but we don't just have to represent that because

1236
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:21,960
I also think that we are all such diverse individuals with, you know, multiple roles

1237
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:28,880
and intersectionalities and strengths and, you know, experiences.

1238
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,560
So when we show up, we show up as us and bringing all our experiences together.

1239
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:40,240
But yet, yes, I think we're definitely selected for to be representative of the verticals

1240
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,200
that we tend to be associated with.

1241
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,840
But we don't just have to speak up for that.

1242
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:50,520
So it's not like we have to respond on sport and only the red, I would have to respond

1243
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,760
on education and the arts and social equity.

1244
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,800
So we are all just called on, you know, whenever the opportunity arises and we'll volunteer

1245
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,800
all time and give of our time and resources very willingly.

1246
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:00,800
Yeah.

1247
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:01,800
Yeah.

1248
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,880
And so I recently watched a video, I think it was a TEDx talk with Zath.

1249
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:12,760
So that was fascinating to listen to her speak.

1250
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,640
And I say her without knowing all the pronouns.

1251
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,080
So if you have any corrections, I would...

1252
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,080
Yeah.

1253
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,880
She is probably LGBTQIA, but she is she her.

1254
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,800
And I actually have quite a few TEDx talks and TEDx talks as well, TEDx talks, but then

1255
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,480
they are all closed door TEDx talks.

1256
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,400
And so I don't know if they're online.

1257
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,320
But yeah, I'm so glad that you really do your research and all of the advisors and...

1258
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,320
Yeah, you let them know that I intend to reach out to every single one of them.

1259
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:43,840
I already reached out to Ina and congratulations, by the way, she just sung at the Olympics.

1260
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:44,900
I just saw.

1261
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:46,520
So that was awesome.

1262
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:51,200
And she not long ago sung at the United Nations like she is.

1263
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,200
Wow.

1264
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:59,040
Well, quite the musician and the advocate for deforestation.

1265
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:05,160
It was fascinating to watch some of her content and the things that she's doing with the green.

1266
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,360
They call it the green wall, I think.

1267
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,360
Yeah.

1268
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,360
Yeah.

1269
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,560
So you let them know I'm going to reach out to every single one of them and see invite

1270
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,560
them on.

1271
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:18,280
I will immediately put that in our Slack group and I will.

1272
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:23,360
I would love to get to know each of them and hear their perspective.

1273
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,480
And yeah, that's awesome.

1274
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:32,160
What would you say that you would want to achieve before the reelections are going to

1275
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,160
happen in December of next year?

1276
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,080
Thank you for asking that.

1277
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:42,680
I would say I would love to be able to have the opportunity to connect with as many committee

1278
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,400
members as much as possible, such as yourself.

1279
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:50,960
I would like to have the ability to listen to all your concerns, considerations.

1280
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:58,040
I would love to be able to understand your challenges, understand what else we can do

1281
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,040
better.

1282
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:06,720
I think aside from, you know, seeing things that went well and good, everyone loves to

1283
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:07,720
hear that, right?

1284
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:08,720
We're all human.

1285
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,640
I think it's really important to want to listen to the things that people aren't happy about.

1286
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,840
The things that we can do better in.

1287
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:20,320
I will appreciate if more and more folks reach out to me.

1288
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,160
I'm less active on Twitter or X than I am in LinkedIn, but I'm really public.

1289
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,760
If you Google me, Loretta Chan, I think or email Loretta at Smoglessstudios.com.

1290
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,320
I'm really very accessible.

1291
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,600
I try to make myself as accessible as possible.

1292
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,000
There are just some platforms that I'm more active on.

1293
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:45,000
I was very, very pleasantly, I was very happy to see how easy it was to get to reach you

1294
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,160
and to talk with you and for us to set this up.

1295
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,520
There was very little friction at all and I really appreciated that.

1296
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,960
Yeah, at the end of the day, I think it doesn't matter how busy we are, right?

1297
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,320
I often joke and say, how do you get something done?

1298
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,960
Give it to a busy person, right?

1299
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:04,040
I think if it matters, we are going to want to get it done.

1300
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:09,520
When I commit to this role, I really mean it like I want to be able to listen to the

1301
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:10,520
community.

1302
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,560
Leadership is really about in the service of others.

1303
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,320
That really is a joy to be able to serve and to be able to use whatever platforms that

1304
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,800
we have to be able to listen to every single person.

1305
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:27,160
We know that that's not possible, but we want to be there, at least for me, I want to be

1306
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,800
there as much as possible.

1307
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:37,920
My aim would be to be able to touch and have the ability to connect with as many of our

1308
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:44,840
SanFam with or without in or out of SanFam, but to be able to connect with our community

1309
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,920
to the best of my ability.

1310
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:47,920
And is there anything-

1311
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,720
Because I rely on you to keep reaching out and I'll do my best to keep-

1312
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,120
Yeah, no, I'm in it.

1313
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,240
I am committed.

1314
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,240
I love what we're doing.

1315
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,840
I love the vision.

1316
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,000
I am seeing the difficulties though.

1317
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:09,880
I am seeing that tension play out firsthand as a SIP author myself, but just trying to

1318
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:19,800
help Pepe from SanRush, Magic Palette, the first community SIP, that forum was difficult.

1319
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,440
At the same time, I had a podcast with Mocha Sien, which is the Chinese community for the

1320
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:31,480
Mochaverse, which was fortuitous because they had access to a large land ownership network

1321
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:32,560
of people.

1322
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:40,240
So I said, hey, how do we reach out to them and submit Pepe's SIP for consideration?

1323
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,360
And that was one of the things that helped propel that into 30 million.

1324
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:49,280
I wouldn't put that on my, as an I did that, but the community, Pepe reached out to Mocha

1325
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:54,200
Sien, Mocha Sien reached out to their people and then they said, hey, this is a great thing.

1326
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:55,280
Let's vote for it.

1327
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:07,000
And that moved it across that 25 to 30 million that we needed in the last 48 hours.

1328
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,000
It was real close there.

1329
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,000
That's really amazing.

1330
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
And no, Lentor, I mean, Sean, I think that Shane-

1331
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,220
Yes, Shane, please.

1332
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:19,000
So that also really brings me to one of the things that that's the reason why we think

1333
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,200
it's so important to have a community because I come from a really small country.

1334
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,800
Again, go back to my happy national day, Singapore, we come from a really small country.

1335
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,800
And fun fact, we have about 5.6, 5.7 million people in Singapore, which is about approximately

1336
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:39,800
the number of people that have the number of sandbox holders and sandbox wallet users.

1337
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,960
So we have like about 5.6 million in the sandbox and 5.6 million in Singapore.

1338
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,360
It is small compared to the rest of the world.

1339
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,260
We are a very small country.

1340
01:17:48,260 --> 01:17:53,760
And so I think one of the things is getting our voices heard out there.

1341
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,760
And I think that is also why I always relish the opportunity to make connections.

1342
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,360
And honestly, even though I seem very gregarious and extroverted and I'm very chatty, honestly,

1343
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,200
I'm very private in the sense that I'm not private with what I think.

1344
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,480
I'm very public about it.

1345
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,880
I'm just not one of those that is constantly on Instagram, constantly on Twitter, constantly

1346
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:11,880
on LinkedIn.

1347
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,520
Because to be quite honest, I am really busy with my day to day.

1348
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,800
It's hard for me too.

1349
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,680
And also because I think it's a function of age because I'm not a GenXer.

1350
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,080
I didn't grow up with all these devices.

1351
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,000
So just there are some folks who are constantly tweeting.

1352
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,000
Like Sebastian, I always joke, he can run a company and be able to be tweeting all day.

1353
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:40,080
I think it's also one, the intention and ability, but also I'm a GenXer.

1354
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:46,480
So just to get my peers too, we're not going to be consistently on the social media platforms.

1355
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:49,240
Like I told you, I really am a broadcast media person.

1356
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,440
I come from TV and radio and publishing.

1357
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:54,280
That is where I'm most comfortable.

1358
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,040
But yet I know the media landscape is changing.

1359
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,720
So part of your previous question too that I also want to acknowledge too is that I may

1360
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:11,780
not be the most prolific on social media and I'm not going to be the most active poster

1361
01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:13,680
on X, but doesn't mean I don't care.

1362
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:18,520
In fact, I truly care when anyone reaches out, I will definitely respond to the best

1363
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,520
of my abilities.

1364
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,720
I think this is evidence enough to be honest.

1365
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,920
A total stranger reached out and said, hey, what do you think about this?

1366
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,720
And you're like, heck yeah, let's do it.

1367
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,720
Yeah, yeah.

1368
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,640
Oh my gosh, that's so fabulous.

1369
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:38,920
So would you say that there is anything that at the end of your time, whether you're re-elected,

1370
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:43,040
you seek reelection or not, would you say there's something at the end of that where

1371
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:48,840
you'd say, yeah, I reached the right number of people or we communicated the right number

1372
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:49,840
of things?

1373
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,280
Is there any measurement of that or is it just, let's just be consistent until when

1374
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:55,640
it happens?

1375
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,000
I will say, you know, it's still very early days.

1376
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:04,800
I think, you know, we can only have comparisons or we can only know how well we've done if

1377
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,440
we have enough material to compare against.

1378
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:15,400
I think what we need now is consistency, persistence, fortitude to be able to chart a course, to

1379
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,120
get more and more people involved, to get more people to lean in.

1380
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:29,080
And as much as I think the more participation, interest, dissension, disagreement, the more

1381
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:35,040
active engagement we see, I would say like that should be our core and our focus and

1382
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,040
our drive.

1383
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:41,680
I think it'd be too early to start saying, oh, we did better than, you know, July.

1384
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,800
Of course, I mean, we can say, okay, there's more conversations in May because we just

1385
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:50,160
launched and there's more conversations maybe in doing the SIP or, you know, maybe things

1386
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:51,560
slowed down during New Year's Eve.

1387
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,440
I mean, sure, right, there'll be these metrics for us to then gauge when is a good time to

1388
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:56,440
launch conversations.

1389
01:20:56,440 --> 01:21:02,080
I think those kinds of analysis is always useful, but I think to not be too bogged

1390
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:07,480
down by these smaller metrics, especially for now when we're building up a movement,

1391
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:08,480
right?

1392
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:13,160
I think it's important for now to not lose the forest for the tree.

1393
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,240
These markers of success are important.

1394
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:22,240
It allows us to sort of chart our way, you know, looking back at the bird trumps and

1395
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,160
seeing how far we've come.

1396
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,600
But because we're so early, I think it's really important to look forward.

1397
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,360
Of course, we need to look back and just check our bearings, right?

1398
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:36,800
Even though there are challenges, I think it's really important to push forth, especially

1399
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,360
if we're doing something difficult, especially if you're doing something that is first and

1400
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,560
it's challenging and it's new.

1401
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,360
It's really important to just keep going.

1402
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,360
Yeah.

1403
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:52,920
And what would you say is something that the community can do to help either involve the

1404
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,200
advisory board more?

1405
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:59,480
Is there something that we can do to enable more participation?

1406
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:01,960
Is there something we're not doing?

1407
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:02,960
What would you say?

1408
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,560
You know, I think you folks are doing exactly the right thing.

1409
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,480
Like even just you, you know, reaching out and just saying, hey, we want to have you

1410
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:11,880
in AMA or hey, we want to be able to do this with you and do that or reaching out to an

1411
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,960
advisory board and being very proactive in connecting.

1412
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:22,320
I will say like that is key because, you know, if you folks don't reach out to us, I mean,

1413
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:29,400
we're really just conduits and just a representation, right?

1414
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:35,840
So please use us as much as possible to speak up, to be a touch point, to be of service

1415
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:36,840
to you.

1416
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,320
So I will say that really is my one ask for all of you to connect and reach out and I'll

1417
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:47,480
make myself as accessible and as available to listen, to empathize, to learn.

1418
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:49,800
I think that's really crucial as well.

1419
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:55,480
And so, yeah, all I ask is for the community to consistently reach out.

1420
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:57,040
That would be like my one ask.

1421
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,080
And folks like you who are amazing working, taking time off, you know, from your already

1422
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:09,480
very busy work and the military as I learned and to do this, you know, so kudos to you.

1423
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:11,080
I appreciate it.

1424
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,080
Absolutely.

1425
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,880
I appreciate that.

1426
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:19,400
The one thing that I've been very eager to know is I understand after reading the bylaws

1427
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:26,760
and the Constitution, I understand where the rubber meets the road of the special

1428
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:31,920
counsel, like where they vote on things, they vote for the legality, redundancy, the morality

1429
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,120
of SIPs that cross their path.

1430
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,920
The more nebulous thing, the less clear thing was how the advisory board contributes to

1431
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,480
the day to day of the Dow.

1432
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:49,000
And I think things like this where we can reach out and have these conversations and

1433
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:55,300
it's certain to sound like maybe a good place, a good use of your time.

1434
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:59,840
And I say it that way because I noticed in the Constitution that you all aren't taking

1435
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,440
a salary for this.

1436
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:05,720
You're doing this of your own free will and volition and volunteer ship.

1437
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,600
And thank you, first of all, for that, by the way, your considerable expertise, as well

1438
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:16,000
as the rest of the advisory board, which I will find a way to get you on here.

1439
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:23,380
But I want to be I want to be cognizant of the way I asked this, which is when is too

1440
01:24:23,380 --> 01:24:30,240
much when is it too much demanding from a volunteer role?

1441
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:36,600
Because if you say connect with me, you've got thousands of fans and fam who could just

1442
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:42,000
you know, when is it too much or what is that that ideal state?

1443
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,160
I think, you know, it really it really differs from person to person.

1444
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,560
I happen to have a really wide bandwidth.

1445
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:55,360
I think every individual I can't speak for the other advisors of my on my team.

1446
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,640
Everyone is incredibly busy and illustrious.

1447
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,400
As you said, you know, is doing everything from singing the Paris Olympics to all of

1448
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,680
this is caught up in.

1449
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:10,320
We have families, we have businesses to run, we have communities, we also serve aside from

1450
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:11,960
the San Fernando.

1451
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,040
So every advisor is different.

1452
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:20,960
For me, I don't think I have reached breaking point.

1453
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:28,520
I happen to have like I said, my my cup is is always running over but never full.

1454
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,200
It's just continuously replenishes itself and it's you know, it's full and it kind

1455
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,040
of overflows and then it's room for more.

1456
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,240
You know, I kind of see that is my that is probably my visual metaphor for myself.

1457
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,920
You know, it's always full and overflowing and then it's filling up some more.

1458
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:52,240
But also I think for me personally, everything and everything that I hear and listen fuels

1459
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,920
me in my own work, my own growth, my own learning as well.

1460
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,880
I don't see it as a chore.

1461
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,120
I don't see it as you know, painful.

1462
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,000
It really is my perspective on life as well.

1463
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,800
So I don't quite know how to answer that question.

1464
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:08,800
That's okay.

1465
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:16,440
But yeah, I will say that personally for me, I don't get innovative.

1466
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:21,280
In fact, I get energized the more challenged and pushed and questioned.

1467
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,160
It makes me feel like me too.

1468
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,960
Listen, you know, they care.

1469
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,760
They push your buttons and they reach out to you.

1470
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,200
It's because they care.

1471
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,200
Yeah.

1472
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:31,200
Yeah.

1473
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,720
They they care to engage that.

1474
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:40,400
That to me is one of the best lessons I learned when I co-founded my own player run organization.

1475
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,680
I mentioned the Guinness World Record.

1476
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:47,240
So I co-founded a player organization for a game called The Planet Side 2.

1477
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,400
And it acted as like a cross between, if you're familiar with the NFL and ESPN.

1478
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:59,600
So we organized player tournaments and then we broadcasted that with color commentators.

1479
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,960
So it was like we were the NFL and we were the ESPN that covered the matches.

1480
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,520
And that was our our player led organization.

1481
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:15,120
And we were hosting and organizing matches with 400 players every single week.

1482
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,400
It was just week after week and we ended up doing like 50 or 70 of them.

1483
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,400
I can't remember now.

1484
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,080
It's been that many.

1485
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:26,040
And one day someone's like, hey, what's the Guinness World Record for the most players

1486
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,680
in an in an online first person shooter match?

1487
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,120
We looked it up and it was only 900.

1488
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,200
And we rarely break that as a game all the time.

1489
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,160
So we got with the game developers at that game.

1490
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:44,840
And not long after that, we were able to organize a Guinness World Record breaking match, which

1491
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,800
earned us the that earned us that.

1492
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:53,360
So we broke it with like a thousand and one hundred players and we still hold the record.

1493
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,280
So wow, wow, wow.

1494
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,280
Congratulations.

1495
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,000
Let's see if Smobler can try and beat that record.

1496
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Do it.

1497
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,000
I welcome it.

1498
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:11,120
I want it was I brought that up to say that I was what was known as the I was head of

1499
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:16,200
like the North American, the Americas division.

1500
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,700
So we had like a European person.

1501
01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:21,000
And so I would field all of the complaints.

1502
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:27,400
I would do all of the if if there were investigations that happened because of player conduct, I

1503
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:32,880
would I would conduct that for the North American and the South American region.

1504
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,240
And that frequently brought me into contact with, you know, a lot of people who had criticisms

1505
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,240
and all that sort of stuff.

1506
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,960
And I learned there that the worst thing is the silence.

1507
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:44,960
Exactly.

1508
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,520
If like the Reddit threads, all the Reddit flames, I welcomed it.

1509
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:49,520
I loved it.

1510
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,240
They just give me more because all that's doing is helping.

1511
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:53,240
It's educating.

1512
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:59,640
I can listen and I can embody that and I can understand even if it's like full of distracting

1513
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,240
languages and insults and all that sort of stuff.

1514
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:03,380
That's fine.

1515
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:09,400
What matters is is what is the essence of the of the dispute and then work through that.

1516
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:17,280
And boy, that was a that was a life altering lesson for me and people who did not have

1517
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,280
to care.

1518
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:19,280
And they did.

1519
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,920
Yeah, I feel like I should interview you for for my own podcast.

1520
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,800
But yeah, I yeah.

1521
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,600
Well, thank you.

1522
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,840
So the best ways I think I heard to get in touch with you is Twitter, but not you're

1523
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,600
not on there nearly as much as you are LinkedIn.

1524
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:42,400
Yeah, I am a lot of LinkedIn also, because a lot of my the work that I do is still web

1525
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:43,400
to web 2.5.

1526
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:49,680
Definitely my team, I have like DJs and a team that are all consistently on Twitter,

1527
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:50,680
like crypto overlord.

1528
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,080
A big shout out to him.

1529
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,560
He runs our web three community.

1530
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,360
I didn't know that.

1531
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,360
Okay.

1532
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:57,360
Yeah.

1533
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:04,560
But definitely I am Laurita Chen on every single media platform, LOR, TTH and CHE.

1534
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:12,920
And so please reach out to me whether it's email, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram.

1535
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,960
I think the only platform that I don't have right now is TikTok.

1536
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:23,000
So maybe I should venture, tread into those waters at some point.

1537
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,880
If you're ready for it to consume your life of funny videos and cat videos and all sorts

1538
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:28,880
of stuff.

1539
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:29,880
I live with 25 cats.

1540
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:35,560
I have a ton of meme videos all in my all in my bedroom.

1541
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,340
So yeah.

1542
01:30:37,340 --> 01:30:42,080
So that will move us out of the prepared discussion questions.

1543
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,520
Let's move into that open topic you said you wanted to talk about.

1544
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,440
We touched on it briefly.

1545
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:55,840
Singapore National Independence Day is today, August 9th, 1965 is when that happened.

1546
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:56,840
Yeah.

1547
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:57,840
That's right.

1548
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,320
And so yeah, big shout out to all my friends and family in Singapore.

1549
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,320
Majulah Singapura.

1550
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:06,680
You know, like I said, you can take the girl out of Singapore, but you can't take Singapore

1551
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:07,680
with a girl.

1552
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,320
I'm always very thankful for the opportunities that I have in Singapore.

1553
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:17,600
But also, like I said, I think I always understand why it's so important to always reach beyond

1554
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,640
and out because Singapore is a very, very small country.

1555
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:26,120
I think many people may or may not know that Singapore, you know, currently has, you know,

1556
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:29,520
it's a very small country, like I said, about, you know, 5.67 million people, like about

1557
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:30,520
the same as the sandbox.

1558
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,640
And yet we have GDP per capita.

1559
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,120
That is like the United States of America.

1560
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,260
Some, in some days it's way more.

1561
01:31:38,260 --> 01:31:39,260
And so we have-

1562
01:31:39,260 --> 01:31:42,000
Wow, very industrious.

1563
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,600
We have become a first world country in four decades, which really is a feat.

1564
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:52,640
And I think this is something that is often, you know, talked about in popular media.

1565
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:57,920
And so I think on our national day, I just really want to give a shout out to, you know,

1566
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,960
my team in Singapore, my friends and family, but I think it has given me and imbued in me

1567
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,240
a spirit of the can do, right?

1568
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:09,040
The ability to, when we set out to hit something, we get it done because not many people know

1569
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:17,360
but Singapore became independent today's in 1965, 59 years ago.

1570
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:25,040
And we, we, we did not, we were not, we didn't actively gain our independence.

1571
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:26,040
We were orphaned.

1572
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:31,240
I think that's a story that is not often told, that we were actually orphaned and left our

1573
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,480
own devices because we were ejected from the Malaya Federation.

1574
01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:40,040
And so we have turned our biggest crisis into opportunity.

1575
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:48,880
We have turned our biggest threat impediment about being orphaned in, you know, from our

1576
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:53,200
hinterland because we were cut off from all natural resources and we didn't even have

1577
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,200
water.

1578
01:32:54,200 --> 01:33:01,240
Singapore is an island with no, you know, potable water back then 59 years ago.

1579
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,440
And so when we were cut off, I think it's a story that I often love to tell that I think

1580
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:09,800
that's also why I'm proud Singapore in the sense that I will always have this sense of

1581
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:14,720
grit and tenacity and, you know, overcoming all odds.

1582
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:21,040
And I think that's a really wonderful way to celebrate my heritage and my culture on

1583
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,240
our 59th birthday.

1584
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,800
Well, thank you for sharing that.

1585
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:26,800
Yeah, right.

1586
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:31,880
But bordering Malaysia and also right next to Indonesia.

1587
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,880
That's right.

1588
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,880
Yes.

1589
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,880
Yeah, exactly.

1590
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:38,880
Exactly.

1591
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:39,880
So I do.

1592
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,000
I do really want to visit Singapore one day.

1593
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,480
I won't be able to make it to Nova 2024, but I will.

1594
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:46,880
I will endeavor to do that.

1595
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:52,800
And once I do, I'm going to definitely go look up a smuggler.

1596
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,160
Are you all in in Singapore?

1597
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,160
Yes.

1598
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:02,160
So I live in Hawaii, but smuggler is hit quartered in Singapore and now we have expanded and

1599
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,520
we have representation in Brazil.

1600
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:13,960
We have representation in the United States, in Hawaii, in New York, in California, in

1601
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,720
Texas.

1602
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:23,240
And also growing our presence in Vietnam, in the Philippines.

1603
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:28,240
So you know, it's a really exciting time to be building and we want to keep on building

1604
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,240
with all the support.

1605
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,240
Yeah, absolutely.

1606
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:34,360
And so yeah, when you come to Singapore, you have to let me know and I'll look you up there.

1607
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,040
If I'm there, I'll host you.

1608
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,720
Otherwise, I'll get my team to take you out to eat great hawker food.

1609
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:45,280
Like if you watch Crazy Rich Asians, we're going to take you to like the hawker center.

1610
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,520
I would love that.

1611
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:47,760
I would appreciate that.

1612
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,520
That'd be special.

1613
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,100
So we thank you.

1614
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:55,020
Is there anything that you wanted to cover?

1615
01:34:55,020 --> 01:34:57,120
Anything near and dear to your heart that we didn't talk about?

1616
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,760
Well, no, I mean, like I said, this is one of the longest podcasts I've been on.

1617
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,560
I just hope that your community is still listening in.

1618
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,520
But if there's anything they are.

1619
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:06,520
Wow.

1620
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,440
I bet we've been staying steady the whole time.

1621
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:10,440
Wow.

1622
01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:11,440
Yeah, that's amazing.

1623
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:12,920
Big shout out to all of you.

1624
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:13,920
Hugs and kisses.

1625
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:14,920
Hug hug.

1626
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,640
So if anything, Nova, it's going to be super exciting.

1627
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,640
Please join us September 17th, 6 to 9 p.m.

1628
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:22,960
It'll be at 11.

1629
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,080
We have Champ Medici with us.

1630
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,400
We have the sandbox with us, Vesson Bourget, I believe we have.

1631
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,680
We have a lot of great announcements that we'll be making.

1632
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:36,120
Something else to look forward to is also the launch of our own IP aquarium.

1633
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:43,240
It's going to be the first cross-chain, cross-platform game IP enabled by our own DAP.

1634
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:48,280
So you'll be hearing a lot more about that on Twitter and X in the days and weeks to

1635
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,280
come.

1636
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,500
It'll be an Ordinals inscription.

1637
01:35:51,500 --> 01:35:53,640
We are also going to be in October.

1638
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:55,080
You'll be hearing that quite a bit too.

1639
01:35:55,080 --> 01:36:01,880
We'll be launching the world's first legal tender coin with NFT with the Kingdom of Bhutan.

1640
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,160
So we will hear about that.

1641
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,640
Yeah, I noticed you were a consultant to the Kingdom of Bhutan.

1642
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,640
That's cool.

1643
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,860
One of my books has a setting.

1644
01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:13,040
They go to Bhutan for an event there, one of my fiction novels at least.

1645
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,040
Wow.

1646
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,920
So I did quite a bit of research on it and then Google pictures and all that.

1647
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,760
Yeah, Bhutan of stuff and Bhutan.

1648
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,840
Bhutan is my third home, Singapore, Hawaii and Bhutan.

1649
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,160
And so please listen out for that.

1650
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,720
There's going to be a huge forum in Bhutan, Bhutan Innovation Forum.

1651
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,880
And we're very excited to be collaborating with the sovereign wealth fund of Bhutan together

1652
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,480
at the Simple Mint to create a first ever commemorative...

1653
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,560
They're active investments in that.

1654
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,560
They're very active.

1655
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:40,560
Very.

1656
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,000
Legal tender coin with NFT.

1657
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,560
So we're working on that as well.

1658
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:45,520
That's awesome to hear.

1659
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,280
Super exciting stuff.

1660
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,640
Non-stop working at Smogler working around the clock to build wealth together as you can

1661
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,800
see in my background.

1662
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:55,800
Build worlds together.

1663
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:56,800
That's right.

1664
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:57,800
And visit their battleground.

1665
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,020
They just released that in Sandbox Map.

1666
01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:02,020
Have fun.

1667
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:03,020
Yes, exactly.

1668
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:04,020
Cool.

1669
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:05,020
Yes.

1670
01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:06,020
All right.

1671
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:11,880
So we'll transition now toward the outro for the future episodes right now.

1672
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:19,360
The only thing I have on the docket for Monday, I'm going to be interviewing one of the active

1673
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,080
SIP holders.

1674
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:24,800
That's going to be Hermit Craft Studios.

1675
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,160
Oh, the SIP.

1676
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:27,160
Yeah.

1677
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:28,160
So I reached out to...

1678
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:29,160
The SIP.

1679
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:30,160
Right.

1680
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:31,160
Right.

1681
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,400
So I reached out to them and said, hey, can we talk about the SIP?

1682
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,360
Right now it's not trending positively.

1683
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,760
So we want to turn that around in the voting.

1684
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:45,360
And one of the things that I know that I hear is, what are we really getting out of it?

1685
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,180
And why should we spend that money?

1686
01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:54,520
So I'm really looking forward to that conversation on Monday with Hermit Crab to articulate how

1687
01:37:54,520 --> 01:38:01,600
important this is to the community and why this is a worthy effort for the funds.

1688
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:07,160
And then after that, I'll be doing some rehashes with Pepe where we're going to showcase Magic

1689
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,720
Palette because it's ready.

1690
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:10,720
So we're going to...

1691
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:11,720
Ready?

1692
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:15,800
I've never used it before, so I'm a complete amateur at it, but I'm going to create something

1693
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,240
with him in real time and we're just going to see how it works.

1694
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,960
Know what I mean?

1695
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:24,280
But I have so many other episodes.

1696
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:25,280
Oh my gosh.

1697
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:26,280
There's so many other.

1698
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:27,280
That's 28.

1699
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,240
And that's not even the interviews that I want to do with all the advisory boards.

1700
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:37,760
So oh man, I tell you, they opened the floodgates when they brought that DAO on board.

1701
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,900
It's so fascinating.

1702
01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:46,120
It's so enabling of all the different hopes, dreams, wants, and desires of people who have

1703
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:53,600
where it be open campus, new campus, the smobler or a sandbox academy in the Philippines, which

1704
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,800
I think is phenomenal idea, by the way.

1705
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:00,080
And so I want to have conversations with these people.

1706
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,800
We'll learn their background, what it is that fuels them and what is they want to do with

1707
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,440
the SIFs that they propose.

1708
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:11,240
So I myself have some, I'll be interviewing myself sometimes.

1709
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:12,240
We'll see.

1710
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:13,240
I shouldn't interview you.

1711
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:14,240
You'd be such a great interviewee.

1712
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,760
You have such diverse experiences too.

1713
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,040
Oh, you're too kind.

1714
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,080
And I really appreciate having you.

1715
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,880
Well, let's do a special podcast.

1716
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,720
We'll be turning the tables and it's going to be your show, but then I will interview

1717
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:27,720
you.

1718
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,080
That would be super exciting.

1719
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,720
I think that would be fascinating.

1720
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,440
So that's what's up and coming.

1721
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:37,680
We have a lot, a lot of episodes that there's so many people, so many stories I want to

1722
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:43,680
hear and learn because as Loretta and I were mentioning today, the conversations need to

1723
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:44,680
be happening.

1724
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,720
And one of the biggest things that I see in this community right now in San Fam is that

1725
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:53,640
the conversations are not happening to the degree that I would hope they would.

1726
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:59,000
And in its absence, all of this, let's call it negativity.

1727
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:04,840
I don't want to call it that, but skepticism is growing out of the absence of the conversations

1728
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,520
that Loretta and I are having.

1729
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,320
And please reach out to Loretta.

1730
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:13,320
As you heard, not my words, she wants to hear and listen.

1731
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:18,600
And the advisory board too, to the extent that they can with their own availability.

1732
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,040
So boy, I'm excited for this.

1733
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:23,040
This is awesome.

1734
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,040
Thank you for your time, Shay.

1735
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:25,040
Like I said, I'm always very thankful.

1736
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,040
So thank you for taking time out of your time.

1737
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:32,000
You're very busy schedule to do this.

1738
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,800
I truly appreciate it.

1739
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:34,800
Really.

1740
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,080
Yeah, likewise.

1741
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:40,600
And some something to advertise for you as well.

1742
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,160
Oh, this broke itself.

1743
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:43,160
Here we go.

1744
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,160
Update.

1745
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:48,200
So some sandbox spaces is a very, very new episode slide.

1746
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,040
And for some reason, it's not popping up.

1747
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:51,160
Give me a second.

1748
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:59,880
Let's do this and then do.

1749
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:02,080
All the perils of doing a live show.

1750
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:08,280
I know I've been in broadcast media all my life and I was just always fascinated that,

1751
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,120
you know, folks, not all these people.

1752
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:13,220
Works really well.

1753
01:41:13,220 --> 01:41:14,540
So some sandbox spaces.

1754
01:41:14,540 --> 01:41:18,560
So people like Loretta yourself, if you're listening from the advisory board or anyone

1755
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:23,080
else who wants to get connected, here's the place where people are currently organizing

1756
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:30,040
around UGH United Grand Halls, also known as Mochaverse Hall, Monday evening at 9 p.m.

1757
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:35,720
EST, 3 a.m. CST, unfortunately, and then 10 a.m. Korean Standard Time.

1758
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:40,000
About that pulls on the block every Saturday, every Saturday morning.

1759
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:44,720
Coffee with Captain sometimes talk about sandbox, although mostly they're eight chain stuff.

1760
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,800
Whale Members is the newest one I just got in touch with, which I'm trying to lock down

1761
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,240
a podcast with them.

1762
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:55,740
One of the largest landowners in sandbox is the whale family.

1763
01:41:55,740 --> 01:42:00,060
So they have a podcast, not a podcast, a Twitter space every Tuesday.

1764
01:42:00,060 --> 01:42:03,360
They will talk about sandbox if you show up to talk about it.

1765
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,960
Like I did this past week with them on Tuesday.

1766
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:11,000
Just want to say hello, say hello from the sandbox and that, you know, one day we want

1767
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,120
to we want to seek their their consideration for for quorum.

1768
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:20,400
And then Sandfam Cafe has been going on one month or once a month.

1769
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:24,200
They do a episode specific to the sandbox.

1770
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:29,920
And sometimes it'll be like developers, sometimes it'll be studios and artists and all different

1771
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:30,920
stuff.

1772
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:35,520
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up reaching out to you, Loretta, one time to to be on

1773
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,680
the cafe.

1774
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:41,000
Maybe I'll send a tweet over at Pickaxe Master as a little hint, hint, nudge, nudge.

1775
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,000
But yeah, happy to.

1776
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,840
Like I said, I always love people out there, you know, even better when you meet them in

1777
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:46,840
real life.

1778
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,720
It's like, you know, you hear them, you know them, you have these virtual connections and

1779
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,400
these virtual connections are sometimes so real.

1780
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,400
And I've had this conversation with podcasts as well.

1781
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,320
Who's to say these virtual connections are not real, like the friends that they can actually

1782
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:00,600
make in your game, fi and your virtual worlds and your Twitter.

1783
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:01,600
And they are so real.

1784
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,720
And then when you actually meet them in person, it's like, you know, they certainly feel that

1785
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:06,720
way.

1786
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:07,720
Yeah.

1787
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:08,720
Oh, absolutely.

1788
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:09,720
Absolutely.

1789
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:13,360
And then we come to and then Discord, the Discord has conversation.

1790
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,280
But as you can tell, we're kind of spread out.

1791
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:25,000
So that's where in the in the gaps of these conversations, you bruise the the the unfortunate

1792
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,480
ambiguity that we're trying to clear up with conversations like these.

1793
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,160
So please reach out to me.

1794
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:31,760
Please reach out to Loretta.

1795
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:32,760
Don't.

1796
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,160
We want to be a San Fam and we want San Fam to succeed.

1797
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,040
So with that.

1798
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:43,160
Loretta, do you have anyone on Twitch that you want to raid?

1799
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:48,560
I normally raid someone to give them the the viewership.

1800
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,280
I don't see anyone from sandbox on right now.

1801
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:56,880
I do see some some nonprofits on though, but is there anyone that comes to mind for you?

1802
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:57,880
No.

1803
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:01,200
Who's who's out there right now that we can read?

1804
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:10,920
I'm looking at my people and I see stack up, which is a a veterans suicide awareness nonprofit.

1805
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,800
So they're one of my go tos.

1806
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,760
And that's all I can see right now.

1807
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:22,280
If no one's jumping out at you, then I might hit them as the raid and then we can we can

1808
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:23,280
call it a day.

1809
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,480
Yes, I leave that to you.

1810
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:27,480
OK.

1811
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:29,760
Yeah, you could be my reader.

1812
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:31,640
All right, so we're start the raid.

1813
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,680
Loretta, thank you so much for your time.

1814
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:35,440
It was such a pleasure speaking with you.

1815
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:36,440
Thank you so much.

1816
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:37,880
This is one of the longest podcasts.

1817
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:39,160
Like I said, I thank you all for your time.

1818
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,920
I thank you for your effort, your energy and organizing this and reaching out.

1819
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:46,840
And I really hope that more San Fam and community will continue to reach out as well.

1820
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,240
And I already enjoy being on your show.

1821
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:52,120
And next time I will love to interview you.

1822
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,440
Well, I would be very grateful for that.

1823
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:56,440
Thank you.

1824
01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:57,440
Have a great day.

1825
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,960
And go San Fam.

1826
01:44:59,960 --> 01:45:02,280
Go San Fam, Majla, Singapore.

1827
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,280
Happy birthday, Singapore.

1828
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:04,280
Happy birthday, Singapore.

1829
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:05,280
Thank you so much.

1830
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:28,400
Thank you.