1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 All right, everyone. Thank you for your patience. We are live here in podcast number eight, 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:16,240 much sooner than I anticipated, but I'm happy that we can do it. Seb is our guest for podcast 3 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:22,080 number eight, and we'll be talking about the sandbox and the DAO and how those two things 4 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:26,440 piece together. Seb, welcome. 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,560 Thank you. Thank you, Jane, for having me. And hello, everyone. Glad to be on the Sandow 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,240 podcast. 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,440 And I hope your eyes are healing okay. Is everything all right? 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,400 Yeah, absolutely. So thanks for that. On the personal side, I had this original detachment, 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:51,080 but all good. I'm still wearing sunglasses. So you don't get scared with my red eye. But 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:57,880 other than that, it's recovering well and you'll see me traveling already like in action. 11 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:06,920 Great. Great. I'm glad. So scope of the talk. Today is about a meet and greet. Seb and I, 12 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:12,640 we've never met in person or on video yet. We've exchanged emails, as myself as a land 13 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:20,480 owner in MetaWorld. But now that we've grown into the DAO, learning how things work, this 14 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:28,400 is a learning opportunity. As I, among many others, we've had past podcasts with Joseph, 15 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:36,080 Crafter, Andy, Hoddle. I'm going to eventually get panned up in here. But as we've listened 16 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,020 and learned what the community's reaction is to the sandbox DAO, a lot of questions 17 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:48,240 have formed. And this is a compilation of those questions into how things really affect 18 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:56,640 us day to day as sandbox San Fam. So that's what today is about. My name's Lanzer. At 19 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,680 introductions, I am the podcast host of Sandow, which is new, just like the sandbox DAO itself 20 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:10,120 is. I've been an avatar holder landowner since about mid season one. So the alpha dragon 21 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,840 and everything else, and I've watched it grow and learn. And I'm very excited about the 22 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:22,920 sandbox. It offers a very unique multifaceted value proposition from artists and modelers 23 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:30,240 and programmers to level designers, speculators on tokens and coins and renting mechanics. 24 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:37,760 And now we have the DAO, which brings in industry level strength and funding that comes with 25 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:45,040 that sort of thing and SIPs and proposals. So we're stressing, we're working through 26 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,800 this as a community, what we want the DAO to be, how we want this to end up. And I'm 27 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,720 happy and grateful to be here. And Seb, if you wouldn't, would please for some of the 28 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,440 people who don't know you and are just turning in for the first time. 29 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:06,440 All right. Well, I see you've been very involved in the space already. You've interviewed some 30 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:13,960 of life, a key member of San Fam, key builders, key creators. So it's great. I'm glad to be 31 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,040 here today and share with you some of the recent updates or answer any questions for 32 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:24,920 the community, which you're definitely part of. So it's great to have you representing, 33 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:33,000 giving a voice and spreading out all the updates that we have at sandbox. 34 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Thank you. And if y'all don't know, for some of my community members who aren't involved 35 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:45,360 in the San Fam, Seb is the COO and co-founder of the sandbox. So a key central figure in 36 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:52,560 the sandbox as it's been progressing since I believe 2018 is when it started out. Before 37 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:59,840 that it was a mobile. Yeah. So disclaimer, Sebastian, while Sebastian does represent the 38 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,720 sandbox, Lancer, myself, I do not. I don't represent the sandbox game or the sandbox 39 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:10,720 foundation and Seb, correct me if I'm wrong, but we are not your financial or legal advisors 40 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,520 and nothing we say is to be taken as financial or legal advice. Truth, Seb? 41 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Correct. 42 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,360 All right. We'll jump right, we'll go right through this since we only have about half 43 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:28,480 an hour to do this. For scoreboard, SIP 7 and 8 closed last week. So SIP 8 did not pass 44 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,880 quorum. It only reached 54%, which was surprising because SIP 7 did reach quorum, all 30 million 45 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,240 of it, and it passed with I believe 87% of the vote. So congratulations to Remy. That 46 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:46,560 was a great SIP. And as I land on myself, I am looking forward to the staking rewards. 47 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Whereas the Parasity Jam, we'll be looking into that to see what we can do to reach out 48 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,200 to more people for the next SIP. And that brings us to seven SIPs approved, one SIP 49 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,640 not approved, eight SIPs total. And for MetaWorlds, we've submitted four, the last one being a 50 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:09,320 revenue study to learn from the eight-point Dow and to bring up how many, to put together 51 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:15,680 a plan for how many revenue options we can implement as individual SIPs in the future. 52 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Great. Thanks for the, a few words about that. So first, like the Sandbox Dow has been launched 53 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:27,560 since last June and is effectively active. Like you said, we're already at SIP 7 and 54 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,160 8. All the six previous SIPs, which are like SIPs standing for Sandbox Improved Proposal, 55 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:40,520 have been voted upon and adopted with a yes by a majority and reached the quorum from 56 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:48,040 both the sand holder and the land owners. It's important to definitely see that people 57 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:54,240 have been actively voting and engaging across all of the different SIPs. The goal for us 58 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:02,160 is like to empower the creator, to give them the possibility to voice the, what they are, 59 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,280 their decision to voice like how they want the sandbox to evolve, the kind of like initiative 60 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:14,440 that should be supported by the ecosystem to grow it and to ensure that we, we can maintain 61 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:21,440 and create a virtual world that could exist in perpetuity, even one day only running on 62 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,400 the decision of the community and without a core team like we have at Sandbox operating 63 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:32,080 the platform. The first SIP were, the first three SIPs were about like the constitution, 64 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:38,840 the budget and the team. So that's all running. Two first SIPs, four and five were about like 65 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:46,360 one supporting a charity project for the Red Cross, one about acquiring carbon credit to 66 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:53,480 compensate for like the emission and the impact, the environmental impact of like the sandbox 67 00:06:53,480 --> 00:07:02,360 and that's been approved. Six was also approved and like was about like supporting a tool 68 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,200 called Magic Palette developed by Sandrush, a builder studio that's been very active from 69 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:15,400 very first day on Sandbox community and build experience and that tool, Pepe, exactly. And 70 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,960 it's a great tool that allows more people to make games just playing with blocks and 71 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:26,280 generating from the browser. So not even installing a game client. So that's now released and 72 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,720 keep updating and making a sweet tool for the community to create faster. 73 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:41,160 SIP 7 was a proposal to distribute 760,000 sand over a course of a year, I think, to 74 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:47,800 all the landowners if they stake their sand. So if you're a landowner and you own sand, 75 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:54,360 you get extra rewards distributed to you as a mechanism. We call it like retro rewards 76 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,160 to reward people who've been a long term, committed for a long term in the sandbox by 77 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:05,080 the landowner and sand owners. It passed meaning like you will get extra sand. So SIP, there's 78 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,600 a direct benefit for you as a landowner to engage, to participate, to hold your land 79 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,560 and to build your land. And SIP 8 was the first experiment for the first time to ask 80 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:24,040 the community to vote on winners of one game jam, which was the Paris city jam. There's 81 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:30,080 a few takeaways, like people voted, but there was not enough votes to reach the quarrel. 82 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,520 So meaning maybe there's too much content for the community to review and to decide 83 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:41,240 who is a winner. Or second, it's still hard for the community to be deciding on who should 84 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:49,400 win or not at the game jam. Or each of the participants of the game jam maybe didn't 85 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,880 attract enough people to vote in general within the community. So we maybe lacked a bit of 86 00:08:54,880 --> 00:09:04,600 relaying that they should encourage sand owner and landowners to vote to support them. Anyway, 87 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,640 we're going to still proceed with the distribution of reward because it would be unfair that 88 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,680 people will not win. It will constitute a community and agree. But there's interesting 89 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:23,480 takeaway and I think some of the upcoming action is we're going to implement a delegation, 90 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:32,440 meaning soon you could transfer your voting power to a group or community that would vote 91 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,920 on your behalf. So that's something we want to launch as soon as possible, which we think 92 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:45,600 will drive more impact to our reaching forum and having super electors or nodes in blockchain 93 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,560 ecosystem that represent the voice of many more individuals, more than owners, who might 94 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:58,920 not have the time to follow on what's going on or really drive or participate in those 95 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,320 decisions. The last thing is like, it's great you already have some proposal or discussion 96 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:14,120 on the forum. As a reminder, before any proposal goes for voting as a stick or two weeks before 97 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:20,480 they are being published on the forum on sandboxdow.com, where anyone can participate, ask questions, 98 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:27,520 challenge them. And the person who submitted the proposal should answer as transparently 99 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:33,080 as possible about their motivation, their goals, how they're going to execute it and 100 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,360 why you should vote in favor. 101 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:42,000 Right. Thank you. And while you were explaining that I zoomed in on the scoreboard and we 102 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,280 looked at the the Sal, the proposal itself on snapshot while you were talking. So if 103 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,840 for those of you watching through video and not through the podcast itself, please take 104 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:58,300 a look at those things and you can see in depth how those SIP 7 and 8 earned the vote 105 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:05,240 and didn't earn the vote. And then the SIP process as Seb was just speaking to. The next 106 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:11,980 one, we did this one, the Sal, the sandboxdow checkbook. So as of SIP 7 passing, that brings 107 00:11:11,980 --> 00:11:18,280 us to one point nine million sand expended out of the fifteen point five million sand 108 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:27,640 budget. That brings us a 13 percent that we've that we've allocated towards SIPs so far. 109 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:38,580 That brings us now to. The discussion. OK, Seb, I've been dying to ask. But what I found 110 00:11:38,580 --> 00:11:45,080 out. So my first question was. The Dow was part of the white paper since 2020. Joseph 111 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Crafter and I spoke about this in our podcast one. What triggered its creation in twenty 112 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:55,080 twenty four verse twenty twenty? And I realized when last week I was listening to your edge 113 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:02,360 of NFT podcast with Cyril, you I think you revealed why that was. Here's what you said. 114 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,100 We want to make sure we have had the right number of experiences and monetization right 115 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:12,400 before we launched the Dow and trying to decentralize too early and not having that vowel present 116 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:18,200 when the Dow was created. What would have hurt us if we had tried to do this before? 117 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:24,140 Does that capture what what that question is geared toward? 118 00:12:24,140 --> 00:12:29,600 I think it does. Like the essence is saying like we are looking at progressive decentralization. 119 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:36,280 It has always been part of the white paper to launch over five years timeline like Dow 120 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:43,560 and like to allow the community to participate progressively. But to do efficient governance, 121 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:48,800 you need to have in place to have in place a real product. And sandbox has evolved a 122 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:55,640 lot between 2020 and today. It's a full fledged platform which is open for publishing so people 123 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:01,000 can launch experiments on their own on the land, which have like creation tools with 124 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,720 a system like NFT dating and order that allows the creditors to monetize, which have like 125 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:13,920 one of the most one of the largest and most decentralized community of owners for the 126 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:20,360 landowners with over 27,000 unique landowners. A lot of things that I believe and have a 127 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:27,400 lot of experiences live on the map over 1000 events that launch and season that launch. 128 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,640 So great content example of what can be done on the platform. It's I believe it's way 129 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:39,040 different to launch governance when something is still very theoretical, you know, doesn't 130 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,560 have much product doesn't have like a massive adoption and let people decide what can be 131 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:51,160 done with it and launch it like we've done now after almost four years of operating the 132 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:58,000 platform launching partnership collaboration events land sales and having values community 133 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:04,960 of brands 400 major brands around the world 27 landowners who are involved in that project 134 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:12,040 and ecosystem of 200 plus builders studios as well. We need to set the cap. We set the 135 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:18,440 example we've demonstrated the core value that as a community as a platform we stand 136 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:25,440 for support for inclusivity for diversity for environment giving out to charities and 137 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:33,480 inventing a play to give inventing learn to earn model having a top brand launch on sandbox 138 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:40,920 and give out he was all of that are think that if we were entirely really relying on 139 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:47,680 the doubt to execute. I don't think we would have such a level of commitment and engagement 140 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:54,360 before and we've seen that unfortunately with other virtual world project to decentralize 141 00:14:54,360 --> 00:15:01,920 very early on and never had such a level of traction or brand involvement or participation 142 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,920 in their doubt. 143 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Where our sandbox through this progressive system as kind of like a parent is educating 144 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,400 their young children until they become the teenager and until they turn up into the grown 145 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:22,280 up woman and man that can make their own decision and hopefully decision that that are well 146 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:29,040 thought and will allow them to thrive in the future without their power. So I see it really 147 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,040 that way. 148 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:37,520 Okay. Yeah. And so back in 2018 and even 2020 you frequently mentioned now and you did back 149 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:43,240 in early July with play to earn podcast that we have over a thousand experiences that are 150 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,400 over three hundred thirty thousand creators over a hundred thousand monthly active users 151 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:55,440 and now is the time to to make that offering to the decentralized this decentralization 152 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:02,320 of the doubt. All right. Makes sense. Yes. Okay. And so jumping right in now to your 153 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:11,400 role in the Dow what activities and tasks do you do personally for the doubt. 154 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:18,680 So as you know I'm the co-founder and CEO of the sandbox on one side and on the other 155 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:28,120 side the Dow has its own separate entities separate management and separates come seal 156 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:35,000 of five members which include the at so the chairman of any more cabran's. 157 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:42,880 No the CEO of world of women Jean-Michel by an executive executive as ledger and now founder 158 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,000 of great capital and Frederick Montano who is like a serial entrepreneur investor and 159 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,520 Western investor and myself. So my main role first of all is to be a council member which 160 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:03,240 like participates in like promoting the Dow in general and creating people to participate 161 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:12,120 either in voting or submitting proposals encouraging conversation representing the Dow and promoting 162 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:19,680 its globally and also reviewing the different seats before they are going to work like the 163 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:30,720 in their process to be published for voting to ensure not just that the seat is. 164 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,700 I think like is to ensure that the seat contains all the right level of information for people 165 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:41,360 can make the decision so we are not taking the decision on behalf of the community but 166 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:46,680 we need to make sure using our own respective experience that the seat will detail how it 167 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,840 will be executed who is the team behind what kind of experience that team had before and 168 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,240 can guarantee that they are the right people to do the right execution that the budget 169 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:01,000 that they are requesting to the community is actually relevant because we don't want 170 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:07,800 to waste people time to vote. If someone tells you I need one million dollars to run a presence 171 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,080 at the conference we will tell you no this doesn't make sense we've seen it before with 172 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,840 a budget less than 10k you can do something great so why do we need so much money for 173 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:24,680 example. Being simple that because not everyone in the community has been an entrepreneur 174 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,720 has a level of knowledge to ask all those questions we participate into those three 175 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:36,600 diligent questions. Also we are strategizing like how we prioritize certain seat how we 176 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:42,760 develop certain features like delegation hearing from the community itself and how we encourage 177 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:48,460 more and more seats around the world here today I'm in Korea I'm encouraging like people 178 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:54,440 to propose seats around like education and academy program here and other community-driven 179 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,880 initiatives and I do that in every region of the world where sandbox has already some 180 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:07,960 community so we can have more decentralized leadership emerging to drive forward. I'm 181 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,120 going to take time but it's important that also the DAO has some public faces in this 182 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:19,680 case not the founding members but the council members and the advisors who that they can 183 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:28,960 refer to that they can invite to come to talk on podcasts like today that they know like 184 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:36,360 represent the DAO in general. My role is limited in time so by the constitution I'm only here 185 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:43,720 for one year unless I'm re-elected meaning that anyone in one year or even less eventually 186 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:52,840 can submit their DAO seat they can be candidate they will have to explain what their program 187 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,600 what they're going to do how they're going to achieve it what kind of support or budget 188 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:04,440 they need and how eventually they will do better than the current people in charge. 189 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:11,600 So I'm not here forever and I wish I will do the best to serve the interests of the 190 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,200 committee and the DAO here. 191 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,040 And it seems like you travel everywhere you're like in a different country every week Seb 192 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,040 I don't know how you do it. 193 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:30,720 It's a bit of a legend I'm traveling it's true but not everywhere. 194 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:37,080 And so I've read the constitution I've read the articles of incorporation and the memorandum 195 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:45,880 of incorporation and there were a lot of powers and duties ascribed to your position as the 196 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,840 person who is almost like the chair of the special council. 197 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:58,640 What when you have the meetings first of all how often are special council meetings held? 198 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:05,600 So we are submitting like every two weeks there's a bunch of new seats that are going 199 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:12,720 either live or being every week they are reviewed and posted on the forum so then they go into 200 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,840 their two-week discussion period on the forum and then two-week voting period. 201 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:25,080 So we try to have like weekly conversation at least in a written form or physical meetings 202 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,880 for example last week Shannon Snow came to the Sandbox Paris office and we had some conversation 203 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:38,800 sometime I get a chance to meet other council members physically like etc etc and so on. 204 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:47,920 But we try to at least reconvene one or twice weekly in a form of like conversation or meetings. 205 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:53,440 Okay so you try to meet together either virtually or in person once or twice weekly? 206 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,360 Okay wow. 207 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:01,040 But not with everybody like it depends like basically because it's just five members and 208 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:06,360 we're all in time different time zone or traveling it's probably difficult to have like the formal 209 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:13,000 but we do have like the weekly updates with the whole team that's being shared and like 210 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:20,000 we do have those conversations around certain seats that we were on before they are actually 211 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,240 being submitted for discussion and voting. 212 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Okay so you have weekly updates as a whole council and then you every two weeks you review 213 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,800 SIPs that come in to you for the redundancy, legality, vision check? 214 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Yes. 215 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,040 Okay. 216 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:45,880 Now that's well that's based on the volume of SIP as well like the complexity of some 217 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,880 of them. 218 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:53,400 Okay well I've submitted four of them so you'll be seeing my name a lot. 219 00:22:53,400 --> 00:23:01,880 And I have 18 more that our team is going to be putting out there so we come prepared. 220 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Wow that's very prolific. 221 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,120 Okay like some work ahead for discussing them. 222 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:11,040 Yeah I have a business and proposal writing background and contract negotiation background 223 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,920 so I love the idea of the DAO and what we can do to build as a community and I'm a landowner 224 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:25,640 avatar so I am in this to help the sandbox and do my part just like everyone else will. 225 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,080 So I'm excited that DAO is great. 226 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:36,960 Me too like one thing like I think like really works well and for DAOs and journals to really 227 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:44,320 highlight how it will drive an impact for sandbox as a platform or back to the community. 228 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,960 Many people tend to really have a position that's a little bit too selfish. 229 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,440 Whenever you submit a proposal never think like what it can do for you but what can you 230 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320 do for the community? 231 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,320 Sandfarm. 232 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Sandfarm yes and like why it's never about asking for grants like it's also quite interesting 233 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,480 maybe I don't say enough like the DAO is not a charity. 234 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,760 He's not giving grants. 235 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:19,360 If the DAO gives you something it's more a loan or like something like how can you give 236 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:24,660 it back so the DAO can continue funding someone else and someone else on some projects. 237 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:30,800 So we try as well as a role as a council is to remind people like you're doing something 238 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,000 with a purpose with a clear goal and hopefully if there is a fund for return you should think 239 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,960 of like how you give a portion back if not entirely but and let's say at least a portion 240 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,120 back to the DAO so it can fund future projects. 241 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:51,160 Right now the DAO runs with a 25 million sand budget provided by the sandbox and part of 242 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:58,680 the white paper but it will need to be sustainable so we also think like how we can create everlasting 243 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,840 cash flow and revenue through the initiatives and that's in my opinion something that not 244 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,400 a lot of DAO always think about and we've seen some now starting to run out of budget 245 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,920 and think oh now we have to readjust we've been spending too much without that concern 246 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:21,560 and one of the reasons why we waited a bit as well ourselves to see how other DAOs perform. 247 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:28,080 Yeah absolutely the DAO expects you to deliver something that will benefit the ecosystem 248 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,280 and my first two steps by the way are zero dollar steps so they're something that we've 249 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,360 been wanting for a long time like custom resolutions and window sizing so that as I'm doing something 250 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:44,080 in game maker and Vox editor I can have my windows resized so I can have all my other 251 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,040 windows open whereas right now you can't do that you can't like move things around so 252 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:55,120 you can have productivity across multiple screens and then and then an in-game equipment 253 00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:05,280 filter so I can choose a powers or a sword or a only things that are above 50 power speed 254 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,120 or whatever so those are my steps just the first two. 255 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,120 Nice. 256 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:17,600 Yeah so yeah right now Serial said they're undergoing an impact assessment with your 257 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:26,240 team to understand how long it would take and all that so yeah absolutely the DAO expects 258 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,760 us to deliver so that is exactly what I want to do so when you're having these special 259 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,680 council meetings how do they unfold it's like when you open up the meeting and then what 260 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,600 happens do you have like pleasantries and then you talk about the sips of the day or 261 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,440 how does it go? 262 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Yes well we generally speaking we follow what's happening in the ecosystem we share some news 263 00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:01,320 because also some of us are a part of like the 8.DAO for example or Mochaverse DAO and 264 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:08,360 so on so we look at what work what doesn't work how we can be attractive adapted we then 265 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,720 discuss some topics that are being brought to our attention like because the DAO has 266 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,160 also some advisors that specialize in certain areas like music education sustainability 267 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:26,360 and environment women empowerment Asia versus rest of the world like they are based in different 268 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:31,800 regions of the world I mean so some are more in Asia some are more in other parts we also 269 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:39,480 redirect or engage the right advisors to support it or to have their inputs as well we try 270 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:50,600 to discuss sometimes what we should put as a position for example SIP7 even though it 271 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:56,080 was voted positively the council has a neutral position and the committee was like why do 272 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,080 we have a neutral position? 273 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Yes I did ask that question why was that neutral? 274 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,800 Good question because like basically the SIP is about the sandbox deciding to give more 275 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:20,240 money towards a community of landowners and so we of course if we we brought the SIP so 276 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,840 our intention is for it to get approved but if we were saying already the council is also 277 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,000 voting regarding to vote yes there might be some conflict of interest etc so they say 278 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,800 we the sandbox is the one that brought the SIP the council as a separate entity has reviewed 279 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,800 it and is neutral because he doesn't want to we don't know if the amount proposed by 280 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:47,720 sandbox is enough not enough but we feel like it's still good in this state so let's have 281 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,420 the community discuss it you know and like we didn't want to show that we are colluding 282 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:58,320 the two of us like again that they are separate and that was myself I would say that's what 283 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,960 positive but the rest of the council said no let's be neutral and so that's what prevails 284 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:09,440 That's fascinating that's the sort of stuff that I wanted to hear is when we saw neutral 285 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:15,600 we thought almost I say we I thought almost the opposite because the first five were positive 286 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,480 right so that was like the standard and then neutral it's like oh my gosh what's going 287 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,360 on with this one Remy put it out so he's just he's a sandbox guy so what what's going on 288 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:31,680 with that so we were we were very confused well you see like it's not that obvious so 289 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,160 maybe we miscommunicated why neutral but if he's something submitted by the sandbox itself 290 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,680 and now like the constitution was established before the other SIP were not by sandbox itself 291 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,760 so that's why I guess like the position is a SIP coming from sandbox itself cannot have 292 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:54,760 the doubt vote in favor of sandbox already so neutral means like make your own opinion 293 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,920 got it got it got it and and so then what does positive mean if neutral is make your 294 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:09,240 own opinion positive like well of course it's make your own opinion but like we as the the 295 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:16,840 council think like it will really be beneficial toward like the sandbox and its ecosystem 296 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,640 for like because it aligns with the core value with the line in terms of budget in terms 297 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:31,520 of like performance it can drive on the deliverable and it's not promoting something we're pushing 298 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:38,440 ourselves it's something coming from external community members got it okay thank you I 299 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:46,560 appreciate you clarifying that that's very helpful all right let's jump to one day right 300 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:54,120 now we don't have like negative or not recommended this might happen and right now you know there's 301 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,520 still an early stage of the DAO we are still in a phase where everything that goes to SIP 302 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:06,280 is being discussed and being reviewed with some sort of like conversation with serial 303 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,960 or head of DAO recommendation iteration and so there might be a stage in the future when 304 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,040 anyone can write a SIP directly have it on the forum and pass it without having even 305 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:23,800 like recommendation for us we are still in this case we say look we didn't have a lot 306 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,360 of iteration with the person who proposed the SIP we see something that doesn't make 307 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:38,480 sense our position is be careful but we will never oppose or prevent people from voting 308 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:45,840 and expressing their rights here to decide is that we are giving a recommendation got 309 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:52,080 it okay thank you I appreciate you you sharing that what do you want to achieve before the 310 00:31:52,080 --> 00:32:02,680 special council elections in December of next year what do you want to achieve said well 311 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:12,120 I think like I want to like relaunch the first by phase of the DAO by June it was it's really 312 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:19,000 thinking of it's learning and educating people about like what does it mean to have a voice 313 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:25,400 and what's a democracy in a digital nation just well world how the community can get 314 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,240 involved I think with system like delegation and like learning how people interact we'll 315 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:37,080 see more and more traction my goal is to see many community leader emerge so they they 316 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,840 run their own activity they run their own events we have many more podcasts covering sandbox 317 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:49,480 we have many more education hubs that promote sandbox we even have a lot of things that 318 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:57,840 were run by the sandbox team itself now being hand over by the community presence of events 319 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:05,640 booth sponsorship all of that could ultimately move to the DAO and run by the committee itself 320 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:14,520 even the idea that sandbox residents in the country or a region or market couldn't necessarily 321 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:20,240 be the sandbox team but should be the sandbox community-led effort with someone that's not 322 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:27,000 a sandbox employee one day coming up and say I want to promote sandbox in my country in 323 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:36,440 my markets to bring creditors to bring brand bring players so the ultimate evolution I 324 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:43,400 guess of the DAO is like we described giving the players and the creditors full autonomy 325 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:51,080 to run this world to take a decision the reward the player statues the features roadmap the 326 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:58,000 ecosystem initiative and so on and I guess before the end of the year I think already 327 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:06,800 in place more community leadership podcasts delegation and identifying key leaders in 328 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:14,920 among the SanFam that want to stand up and then drive forward this authorization 329 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:23,480 awesome awesome I know there are already people who started to do that like Joseph crafter 330 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,560 I would love to be counted among them and earn that right as well but they're they're 331 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,800 already starting to to emerge and I'm I love it I actually love it if you have a podcast 332 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,460 and you want to run a podcast just open it up it's it there's no competition here it's 333 00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:46,360 just us all creating more for the SanFam that's that's the way to go okay so you want to you 334 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,640 want to relaunch the first phase of the DAO by June launch delegations see community leaders 335 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,040 emerge see more podcasts and sponsorships and hand things over to the community all 336 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:04,320 right no it makes sense and you mentioned earlier about the the endowment so the 25 337 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,800 million dollars 25 million sand that was given to the DAO how many years do you expect TSB 338 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:17,880 to continue giving the set 25 million sand to the DAO 339 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:25,200 ideally for as long as possible like right now it's already planned for three years I 340 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,760 think on budgets and then the goal is like again like progressively will become more 341 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,480 and more self-sustainable and even have more budget available one day than than this through 342 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,440 like the activity on the platform through the volleying of the community and through 343 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:50,080 like if the project supported by the DAO has been fruitful in driving revenue like some 344 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,000 could lead to all like more funding for the DAO itself 345 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:01,040 I think do you ever foresee an instance where the DAO would give back to the sandbox say 346 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:09,200 it's earning a lot of revenue and would the sandbox accept something from the DAO 347 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:17,640 I think it can be interesting right now the sandbox has the cash flow to operate with 348 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,640 the team has done the fundraise recently we added 20 million dollar pushing our valuation 349 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,920 to all a billion and congratulations on that by the way enough one billion dollar valuation 350 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,400 that was excellent and whereas before it was 500 million two years ago right correct correct 351 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,120 so that's a validation of all the milestone achievement partnership growth number of executive 352 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:50,960 creator on the platform we achieved in two years lifetime the it's not impossible I would 353 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:57,840 say that the DAO driving all initiative would decide one day let's assign a budget to the 354 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:05,640 core team to build develop the platform and achieve certain milestone based on the roadmap 355 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:13,200 decided by the players and the creator themselves right now it's the configuration is not necessarily 356 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:20,520 the sandbox has its own budget is funded as good runway and so on but in the future maybe 357 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:27,080 in 10 years and 20 years in a fully decentralized world that's how we envision it would run 358 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:33,520 like having the team in charge of developing the platform and the tool of the platform 359 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:40,400 being actually funded by the foundation that operate the overall ecosystem of that platform 360 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:48,240 it's a bold vision Seb it's a bold bold vision oh man the the revenue options SIP that I 361 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:55,120 just proposed a few days ago it was that I've been in contact with Deloitte and Accenture 362 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:01,440 and open campus and new campus to put assemble a team of experts like token Amis I can economics 363 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,840 or economists and blockchain experts and business finance to put together a realistic sequence 364 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,160 of revenue options that would give revenue back to the DAO or at least earn the DAO 365 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,960 revenue that's the plan at least so yeah and and and I learned that by listening to Bulls 366 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:26,240 on the Block and the mocha verse halls by G and and hearing how those eight coin DAO 367 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,240 members are like oh my gosh we're spending so much money and we're not getting money 368 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:35,600 back into the DAO and so that's what this is all about this is to head that off now 369 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,320 while we're young to start earning revenue or at least finding ways that we can build 370 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,360 a realistic revenue back to the DAO so that we we now have more to do with 371 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:52,720 I'm really glad that you are actually very interested and caring on the topic like again 372 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:59,720 like the best way for people to be involved is to care deeply about like well like not 373 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:05,680 only the different project initiative but how the DAO can continue existing and then 374 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960 become self-sustaining so raising those questions is important 375 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:17,080 Yeah and listening to Joseph I think it was podcast two or three he mentioned how he ballparked 376 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:23,320 about how many millions of sand it took for the sandbox to operate and he was worried 377 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:30,040 that it was burning like eight million sand equivalent a year and would the DAO need to 378 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,240 come to the rescue one day to bring that revenue back and assign a budget back and that that's 379 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,840 what really started the wheels turning and then when I heard the stuff about the eight 380 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,640 point down member saying we're spending too much we're not getting enough back that's 381 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,720 like all right we need to do this we need to we need to think about it now 382 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:53,880 I think it's a question that we've always had and that's why one of the first thing 383 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:01,000 that the DAO launched when you go to sandbox.dao.com website you see the budget transparently how 384 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:09,200 is being spent by different pools and like what's left for this year how much has been 385 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:16,320 spent where and so on like giving full transparency or budget that's important as like voting 386 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,360 and approving those initiatives 387 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,040 Yeah and I was showing them right now as you're talking the allocation per category and the 388 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,360 dashboard on the sandbox.dao website absolutely and that that's part of what the DAO checkbook 389 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,040 we went over a little bit earlier was a real time accounting of those dollars because I 390 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,360 am very much into sustainability I don't want us to burn all of our money and be like well 391 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:47,240 where did it go so that's yeah right cool um so you frequently say the culture capital 392 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:53,720 of the metaverse what is it that you want to see out of the DAO to where you say or 393 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,680 the sandbox to where you say that's it we've arrived we are the cultural capital of the 394 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,680 metaverse 395 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:09,040 Well I wish there was such like one final stage where like hey it's over we've done 396 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,880 it that's all for me no culture is something that's constantly evolving you know like new 397 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:22,000 trends emerge something that used to be cool one year later is no longer cool a new form 398 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:29,760 of content new creativity is infinite and like by empowering more people to express 399 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,840 their imagination to express their creativity with our no code tool like with the initiative 400 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:40,560 of the DAO we're going to see constantly an influx of ideas constant a renewal of new 401 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:47,760 cool new thing that we never thought about new vertical that has been addressed where 402 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:54,480 like sandbox and solution can tap into empowering people not just in fashion in sport music 403 00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:02,320 and gaming entertainment but who knows all the ways around and it's hard to say like 404 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:09,600 we've it's something that's finished we've reached at one point and it's over no we have 405 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,480 to be constantly relevant with culture how we stay relevant in people's mind about what 406 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:22,640 we do what kind of activation we do and I wish like that's what makes sandbox exciting 407 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:28,320 like maybe coming back to sandbox in two years in five years from now you will get a different 408 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:35,840 user experience more immersion exciting new social feature very different content we already 409 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,880 see that as well like if you played sandbox at season one or two two three years ago and 410 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,360 today it's so different and and sometimes my frustration is that people don't see how 411 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:54,720 much it improved how it's different how there's all these gameplay rules logic fun rewards 412 00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:00,040 so many brands have a lot of different things while two years ago it was let's say more 413 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:08,600 limited in all the possibilities yeah now i it's come a long long way so i understand 414 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:15,920 now why you you waited until now to start the dow process where we have that offering 415 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,400 that solid foundation with which to build off of whereas before two years ago when we 416 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,960 first started i can understand how that wouldn't have evolved or flourished to the extent that 417 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,000 we are right now so well yeah is there anything from the dow that you think would contribute 418 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:43,920 to that culture capital of the metaverse yeah i think so i think like we we we can see people 419 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:52,080 who already run want to submit a year long proposal for covering sandbox representing 420 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,600 sandbox and value savings around the world we're seeing people who want to launch game 421 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:02,160 jams around certain topics we're seeing people who want to assemble to be involved in supporting 422 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:09,280 like movies or other projects as well like because of that i think like it will help 423 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:15,960 sandbox to drive but it will help to drive constantly like new relevant cultural project 424 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:25,440 new activation that's and make that position uh sandbox as a gaming platform ugc and um 425 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:32,560 metaverse in general as like a solution that helps to engage people that helps people to 426 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,280 be more creative that drive them into like all form of interaction that they've not seen 427 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:48,160 on all the platforms yeah yeah okay so the the way we could do that is by by representing 428 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,580 the sandbox around the world being authorized by the sips to perform those functions okay 429 00:44:53,580 --> 00:45:02,280 no that that makes sense i'm i'm very encouraged by this conversation seb i'm glad that that 430 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:09,000 we we got the chance to speak i i only have about two questions left and you you said 431 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,960 you said um you and zero have mentioned frequently and you said today you want to get to the 432 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,160 point where you've transitioned power and responsibility to the community and you and 433 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,400 zero have spoken frequently on what that might look like like where there might not even 434 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,320 be a sandbox company running the show running the development it might end up being the 435 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:41,000 dao what would do you need to see before you feel comfortable doing that and that the dao 436 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000 is ready 437 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:53,800 you know i i'm an entrepreneur i'm very hands-on person we very detailed attention focus for 438 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,520 the product with the delivery and we shipped uh we shipped so many products over years 439 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:07,600 like since i've been an entrepreneur i delivered multiple games project collaboration i also 440 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,360 in sandbox like ship so many updates and my son of the product and a different product 441 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:19,400 of a platform i guess like we will reach a stage where we feel like there might not even 442 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:27,240 be a sandbox uh team and platform uh team in charge of a platform ultimately either 443 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:34,040 the day we will have open source everything and we'll have people that can continue uh 444 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:42,680 development and shipping release regularly or we've seen that we've uh uh like the platform 445 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:50,520 can continue on its own without actually us being the only contributor that's really i 446 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:56,240 feel like where we reach our model is probably open source development in this case where 447 00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:02,320 you have some uh project that can totally run only on contribution from a few developers 448 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:09,920 in a community but are not paid by a company and so on and still like they ship major updates 449 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:17,680 and maybe the foundation has a few engineers and people as well uh as part of it's never 450 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:27,000 been seen before in gaming right even games never been done said it's bold it's a long-term 451 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,920 vision if everything runs well but we're not too idealistic it's something just to be careful 452 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,480 about like again i'm very hands-on very down to her from many aspects we're so attached 453 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:45,840 to details when we ship things so let's do step by step and hopefully encouraging people 454 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:52,400 to participate attracting the right profiles to care uh and be involved on those aspects 455 00:47:52,400 --> 00:48:01,520 will help to while i go i think after watching almost 20 hours of you doing podcasts and 456 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:09,600 different seminars i think it's very obvious how how much you care it's it's super obvious 457 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:16,520 just how much you want this to succeed and and how you want this to be a realistic transfer 458 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:23,640 not just some hopeful charity where oh let's just see what happens no you i i i really 459 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:31,280 enjoy i think that's awesome seb i think that's awesome thank you but we we we strive for 460 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:37,480 the goal it's still early on but with support from you and landowners and people who are 461 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:44,140 committed in the space like i hope this will become with turn reality yeah and i say frequently 462 00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:49,240 to people who ask me like what is the sandbox it's it is the one of the first things i've 463 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:57,800 seen that has a multi multi variable value proposition it's not just you're a gamer it's 464 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,520 you've got land ownership you've got vox edit so your artists and your designers you've 465 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,800 got game maker which is your level designers you have your token speculators you trading 466 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,760 off of sandbox token now you have the dow which are your business people and your entrepreneurs 467 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,640 and your industry experts like you've got so many different things converging on the 468 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:26,560 sandbox that it i think it's it's only a matter of if it's only a matter of when seb not if 469 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:33,760 that this takes hold and starts really surpassing its counterparts like roblox the central land 470 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,880 i think we already passed that one but you know we start reaching those heights when 471 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,920 when things are opening up and enabling all of these types of people to get together uh 472 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:49,800 last question this one from little legion and in the chat do you think we can use the 473 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:55,960 dow sip funding to start up regional tournaments for an esports league for our game and this 474 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,960 one hits close to me because i used to be involved in like an esports podcast back in 475 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:06,720 the day and and all that sorts of stuff and and what do you think about that 476 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:13,800 i think i think once we reach a certain quality of gameplay of 3c like we enable multiplayer 477 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:20,400 competition people for example in first person shooter like we have like a very precise control 478 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:27,880 on avatar shooting mechanism and this enables skill-based gameplay at much more expert level 479 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,640 that right now this would definitely be possible over the last year over the last 12 months 480 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:43,200 the sandbox first thoughts adding rule system adding a lot of behaviors components and rules 481 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:51,200 that are multiplayer adding score leaderboards showing best time on the map and on the victory 482 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:59,280 screen i mean resource soon we'll have persistency we'll have even more capabilities on the avatar 483 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:07,360 like jumping flying and so on all of that will enable a level of like gameplay that 484 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,560 enables competitive 485 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:15,800 oh did he freeze on me like he did you all 486 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:36,680 is he frozen he looks frozen to me oh no 487 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:46,440 oh he's too many beans sab you there oh dear 488 00:51:46,440 --> 00:52:04,880 we'll just sit here and wait he's got the he's got the you know the the he's got the 489 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:11,840 pose man this has been a great conversation oh my gosh okay he left for a moment let's 490 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:18,600 see if we can get him back in but he um this has been a great conversation i really wanted 491 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,960 to know some of these things that he was speaking to uh we'll see if we can't bring him back 492 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:24,960 in here 493 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:38,120 oh now am i sab yeah i see that now um but he revealed a lot of stuff that i kept hearing 494 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:45,880 things like crafter candidly christin and and hodl spoke about and andy richie spoke 495 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:55,120 about and and joseph just things that we've been wondering about didn't know and now here 496 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,200 he goes just told us there he's back so we're just uh we're just bragging on you sab go 497 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:08,600 ahead we're running out of fighting for a bit um yes um good so uh yeah you were just 498 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,360 talking about how you wanted to make sure that we had the jumping fighting mechanics 499 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:19,760 and the consistency ready ready before we we do the esports leagues absolutely like 500 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:27,440 right now sandbox uh is still more perceived and probably the tool we provide for casual 501 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:36,400 gaming uh it will keep improving over time to enable hopefully to reach a level of uh 502 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:43,240 player experience and skills base competitive gameplay that allows for more competition 503 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:52,120 yeah excellent excellent now that makes sense okay okay that would be our last question 504 00:53:52,120 --> 00:54:00,240 let's roll into uh future episodes you know seb uh we got through all those questions 505 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:04,400 i know we're gonna have more in the future so i'd love to do a part two when we have 506 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:11,480 more of these sorts of of consolidated viewpoints but you you have thank you for being so open 507 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:18,880 and flexible with your time to where we we could just do it right now um so yeah absolutely 508 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,000 yeah love it love it i'm going to go ahead and hit the raid button on someone else and 509 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:32,320 last one for sandcaster um so you're an educator from sg i use ve and game maker not only to 510 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:39,160 teach the sandbox framework but also to use it for lessons such as logic math design can 511 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:45,080 i tap on the dow available for me to build a pedagogy to train young children in the 512 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:51,840 region around yes uh sandcastler you can do that right now you can submit a sip that will 513 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,960 that could request funding um there's already a sip sort of like it but not the same thing 514 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:03,640 and you might also look up megan and uh mokishi from open campus and new campus who are looking 515 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,680 to do the same thing and i've been looking to find a way to partner with them like i'm 516 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,760 in the revenue options if you partner with them on the educator side that is exactly 517 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,120 what they're looking for and they're looking for other partners other than the eight point 518 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:22,200 dow so yes absolutely you could do that and the areas around stem like you mentioned i'm 519 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,520 sorry said did you have anything else you want to add to that 520 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:32,960 Coming on my side uh again like thank you so much let's have regular updates let's look 521 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,440 at uh educating more about the different seeds what the right way to submit yours like to 522 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:44,320 engage and current create a community to participate into the seed uh and hopefully get them like 523 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:52,360 supported because we always need to reach the quorum to get them passed on and um happy 524 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,560 to answer all the questions feel free to reach out to us on the forum on social media on 525 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:05,800 twitter and uh um yeah like the different uh community uh members and some members like 526 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,280 shane today will be opening soon an ambassador program as well uh where like more people 527 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:17,240 will be involved so stay tuned about that yeah absolutely and and i i serial mentioned 528 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,120 that maybe i should join the the ambassador program and i'm sure that it's open to everyone 529 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:28,320 else as well would you see that it as a conflict of interest if i went or others went for the 530 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:34,660 the ambassador program but were interested in in being nominated for the special council 531 00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:38,720 in the future do you see that as a conflict of interest like you mentioned earlier about 532 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:43,480 the neutral positive i don't see it on the opposite like the best way to actually be 533 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,920 a candidate for a council role is actually to prove what you've done for the sandbox 534 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,760 community what are the results the action you've done and the result of their action 535 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,520 so that people can entrust you even more with more responsibility so i see it as a great 536 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:08,040 one step forward progressively actually to acquire more uh greater responsibilities held 537 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,760 by the support of the community in the dark okay right that that makes me feel better 538 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,480 i've been wrestling with that the past few days and i don't i don't like conflicts of 539 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,120 interest kind of like how you alluded to with the positive and the neutral thing it's undue 540 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:27,200 influence and it just messes up mess it makes messy of the of the the due process of voting 541 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:34,600 and uh but i'm glad thank you for for saying that seb thank you for your time mercy mercy 542 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:42,960 beaucoup by french is terribly miserable but you know thank you so much for your time and 543 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,680 i will definitely be reaching out again when i feel that we have a number of questions 544 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:53,640 ready for you again and i love what you do big fan thank you for being so motivating 545 00:57:53,640 --> 00:58:00,240 and encouraging absolutely thank you everyone and see you soon in sandbox and on the dow 546 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:14,160 cheers cheers all right