All right, everyone. Thank you for your patience. We are live here in podcast number eight,
much sooner than I anticipated, but I'm happy that we can do it. Seb is our guest for podcast
number eight, and we'll be talking about the sandbox and the DAO and how those two things
piece together. Seb, welcome.
Thank you. Thank you, Jane, for having me. And hello, everyone. Glad to be on the Sandow
podcast.
And I hope your eyes are healing okay. Is everything all right?
Yeah, absolutely. So thanks for that. On the personal side, I had this original detachment,
but all good. I'm still wearing sunglasses. So you don't get scared with my red eye. But
other than that, it's recovering well and you'll see me traveling already like in action.
Great. Great. I'm glad. So scope of the talk. Today is about a meet and greet. Seb and I,
we've never met in person or on video yet. We've exchanged emails, as myself as a land
owner in MetaWorld. But now that we've grown into the DAO, learning how things work, this
is a learning opportunity. As I, among many others, we've had past podcasts with Joseph,
Crafter, Andy, Hoddle. I'm going to eventually get panned up in here. But as we've listened
and learned what the community's reaction is to the sandbox DAO, a lot of questions
have formed. And this is a compilation of those questions into how things really affect
us day to day as sandbox San Fam. So that's what today is about. My name's Lanzer. At
introductions, I am the podcast host of Sandow, which is new, just like the sandbox DAO itself
is. I've been an avatar holder landowner since about mid season one. So the alpha dragon
and everything else, and I've watched it grow and learn. And I'm very excited about the
sandbox. It offers a very unique multifaceted value proposition from artists and modelers
and programmers to level designers, speculators on tokens and coins and renting mechanics.
And now we have the DAO, which brings in industry level strength and funding that comes with
that sort of thing and SIPs and proposals. So we're stressing, we're working through
this as a community, what we want the DAO to be, how we want this to end up. And I'm
happy and grateful to be here. And Seb, if you wouldn't, would please for some of the
people who don't know you and are just turning in for the first time.
All right. Well, I see you've been very involved in the space already. You've interviewed some
of life, a key member of San Fam, key builders, key creators. So it's great. I'm glad to be
here today and share with you some of the recent updates or answer any questions for
the community, which you're definitely part of. So it's great to have you representing,
giving a voice and spreading out all the updates that we have at sandbox.
Thank you. And if y'all don't know, for some of my community members who aren't involved
in the San Fam, Seb is the COO and co-founder of the sandbox. So a key central figure in
the sandbox as it's been progressing since I believe 2018 is when it started out. Before
that it was a mobile. Yeah. So disclaimer, Sebastian, while Sebastian does represent the
sandbox, Lancer, myself, I do not. I don't represent the sandbox game or the sandbox
foundation and Seb, correct me if I'm wrong, but we are not your financial or legal advisors
and nothing we say is to be taken as financial or legal advice. Truth, Seb?
Correct.
All right. We'll jump right, we'll go right through this since we only have about half
an hour to do this. For scoreboard, SIP 7 and 8 closed last week. So SIP 8 did not pass
quorum. It only reached 54%, which was surprising because SIP 7 did reach quorum, all 30 million
of it, and it passed with I believe 87% of the vote. So congratulations to Remy. That
was a great SIP. And as I land on myself, I am looking forward to the staking rewards.
Whereas the Parasity Jam, we'll be looking into that to see what we can do to reach out
to more people for the next SIP. And that brings us to seven SIPs approved, one SIP
not approved, eight SIPs total. And for MetaWorlds, we've submitted four, the last one being a
revenue study to learn from the eight-point Dow and to bring up how many, to put together
a plan for how many revenue options we can implement as individual SIPs in the future.
Great. Thanks for the, a few words about that. So first, like the Sandbox Dow has been launched
since last June and is effectively active. Like you said, we're already at SIP 7 and
8. All the six previous SIPs, which are like SIPs standing for Sandbox Improved Proposal,
have been voted upon and adopted with a yes by a majority and reached the quorum from
both the sand holder and the land owners. It's important to definitely see that people
have been actively voting and engaging across all of the different SIPs. The goal for us
is like to empower the creator, to give them the possibility to voice the, what they are,
their decision to voice like how they want the sandbox to evolve, the kind of like initiative
that should be supported by the ecosystem to grow it and to ensure that we, we can maintain
and create a virtual world that could exist in perpetuity, even one day only running on
the decision of the community and without a core team like we have at Sandbox operating
the platform. The first SIP were, the first three SIPs were about like the constitution,
the budget and the team. So that's all running. Two first SIPs, four and five were about like
one supporting a charity project for the Red Cross, one about acquiring carbon credit to
compensate for like the emission and the impact, the environmental impact of like the sandbox
and that's been approved. Six was also approved and like was about like supporting a tool
called Magic Palette developed by Sandrush, a builder studio that's been very active from
very first day on Sandbox community and build experience and that tool, Pepe, exactly. And
it's a great tool that allows more people to make games just playing with blocks and
generating from the browser. So not even installing a game client. So that's now released and
keep updating and making a sweet tool for the community to create faster.
SIP 7 was a proposal to distribute 760,000 sand over a course of a year, I think, to
all the landowners if they stake their sand. So if you're a landowner and you own sand,
you get extra rewards distributed to you as a mechanism. We call it like retro rewards
to reward people who've been a long term, committed for a long term in the sandbox by
the landowner and sand owners. It passed meaning like you will get extra sand. So SIP, there's
a direct benefit for you as a landowner to engage, to participate, to hold your land
and to build your land. And SIP 8 was the first experiment for the first time to ask
the community to vote on winners of one game jam, which was the Paris city jam. There's
a few takeaways, like people voted, but there was not enough votes to reach the quarrel.
So meaning maybe there's too much content for the community to review and to decide
who is a winner. Or second, it's still hard for the community to be deciding on who should
win or not at the game jam. Or each of the participants of the game jam maybe didn't
attract enough people to vote in general within the community. So we maybe lacked a bit of
relaying that they should encourage sand owner and landowners to vote to support them. Anyway,
we're going to still proceed with the distribution of reward because it would be unfair that
people will not win. It will constitute a community and agree. But there's interesting
takeaway and I think some of the upcoming action is we're going to implement a delegation,
meaning soon you could transfer your voting power to a group or community that would vote
on your behalf. So that's something we want to launch as soon as possible, which we think
will drive more impact to our reaching forum and having super electors or nodes in blockchain
ecosystem that represent the voice of many more individuals, more than owners, who might
not have the time to follow on what's going on or really drive or participate in those
decisions. The last thing is like, it's great you already have some proposal or discussion
on the forum. As a reminder, before any proposal goes for voting as a stick or two weeks before
they are being published on the forum on sandboxdow.com, where anyone can participate, ask questions,
challenge them. And the person who submitted the proposal should answer as transparently
as possible about their motivation, their goals, how they're going to execute it and
why you should vote in favor.
Right. Thank you. And while you were explaining that I zoomed in on the scoreboard and we
looked at the the Sal, the proposal itself on snapshot while you were talking. So if
for those of you watching through video and not through the podcast itself, please take
a look at those things and you can see in depth how those SIP 7 and 8 earned the vote
and didn't earn the vote. And then the SIP process as Seb was just speaking to. The next
one, we did this one, the Sal, the sandboxdow checkbook. So as of SIP 7 passing, that brings
us to one point nine million sand expended out of the fifteen point five million sand
budget. That brings us a 13 percent that we've that we've allocated towards SIPs so far.
That brings us now to. The discussion. OK, Seb, I've been dying to ask. But what I found
out. So my first question was. The Dow was part of the white paper since 2020. Joseph
Crafter and I spoke about this in our podcast one. What triggered its creation in twenty
twenty four verse twenty twenty? And I realized when last week I was listening to your edge
of NFT podcast with Cyril, you I think you revealed why that was. Here's what you said.
We want to make sure we have had the right number of experiences and monetization right
before we launched the Dow and trying to decentralize too early and not having that vowel present
when the Dow was created. What would have hurt us if we had tried to do this before?
Does that capture what what that question is geared toward?
I think it does. Like the essence is saying like we are looking at progressive decentralization.
It has always been part of the white paper to launch over five years timeline like Dow
and like to allow the community to participate progressively. But to do efficient governance,
you need to have in place to have in place a real product. And sandbox has evolved a
lot between 2020 and today. It's a full fledged platform which is open for publishing so people
can launch experiments on their own on the land, which have like creation tools with
a system like NFT dating and order that allows the creditors to monetize, which have like
one of the most one of the largest and most decentralized community of owners for the
landowners with over 27,000 unique landowners. A lot of things that I believe and have a
lot of experiences live on the map over 1000 events that launch and season that launch.
So great content example of what can be done on the platform. It's I believe it's way
different to launch governance when something is still very theoretical, you know, doesn't
have much product doesn't have like a massive adoption and let people decide what can be
done with it and launch it like we've done now after almost four years of operating the
platform launching partnership collaboration events land sales and having values community
of brands 400 major brands around the world 27 landowners who are involved in that project
and ecosystem of 200 plus builders studios as well. We need to set the cap. We set the
example we've demonstrated the core value that as a community as a platform we stand
for support for inclusivity for diversity for environment giving out to charities and
inventing a play to give inventing learn to earn model having a top brand launch on sandbox
and give out he was all of that are think that if we were entirely really relying on
the doubt to execute. I don't think we would have such a level of commitment and engagement
before and we've seen that unfortunately with other virtual world project to decentralize
very early on and never had such a level of traction or brand involvement or participation
in their doubt.
Where our sandbox through this progressive system as kind of like a parent is educating
their young children until they become the teenager and until they turn up into the grown
up woman and man that can make their own decision and hopefully decision that that are well
thought and will allow them to thrive in the future without their power. So I see it really
that way.
Okay. Yeah. And so back in 2018 and even 2020 you frequently mentioned now and you did back
in early July with play to earn podcast that we have over a thousand experiences that are
over three hundred thirty thousand creators over a hundred thousand monthly active users
and now is the time to to make that offering to the decentralized this decentralization
of the doubt. All right. Makes sense. Yes. Okay. And so jumping right in now to your
role in the Dow what activities and tasks do you do personally for the doubt.
So as you know I'm the co-founder and CEO of the sandbox on one side and on the other
side the Dow has its own separate entities separate management and separates come seal
of five members which include the at so the chairman of any more cabran's.
No the CEO of world of women Jean-Michel by an executive executive as ledger and now founder
of great capital and Frederick Montano who is like a serial entrepreneur investor and
Western investor and myself. So my main role first of all is to be a council member which
like participates in like promoting the Dow in general and creating people to participate
either in voting or submitting proposals encouraging conversation representing the Dow and promoting
its globally and also reviewing the different seats before they are going to work like the
in their process to be published for voting to ensure not just that the seat is.
I think like is to ensure that the seat contains all the right level of information for people
can make the decision so we are not taking the decision on behalf of the community but
we need to make sure using our own respective experience that the seat will detail how it
will be executed who is the team behind what kind of experience that team had before and
can guarantee that they are the right people to do the right execution that the budget
that they are requesting to the community is actually relevant because we don't want
to waste people time to vote. If someone tells you I need one million dollars to run a presence
at the conference we will tell you no this doesn't make sense we've seen it before with
a budget less than 10k you can do something great so why do we need so much money for
example. Being simple that because not everyone in the community has been an entrepreneur
has a level of knowledge to ask all those questions we participate into those three
diligent questions. Also we are strategizing like how we prioritize certain seat how we
develop certain features like delegation hearing from the community itself and how we encourage
more and more seats around the world here today I'm in Korea I'm encouraging like people
to propose seats around like education and academy program here and other community-driven
initiatives and I do that in every region of the world where sandbox has already some
community so we can have more decentralized leadership emerging to drive forward. I'm
going to take time but it's important that also the DAO has some public faces in this
case not the founding members but the council members and the advisors who that they can
refer to that they can invite to come to talk on podcasts like today that they know like
represent the DAO in general. My role is limited in time so by the constitution I'm only here
for one year unless I'm re-elected meaning that anyone in one year or even less eventually
can submit their DAO seat they can be candidate they will have to explain what their program
what they're going to do how they're going to achieve it what kind of support or budget
they need and how eventually they will do better than the current people in charge.
So I'm not here forever and I wish I will do the best to serve the interests of the
committee and the DAO here.
And it seems like you travel everywhere you're like in a different country every week Seb
I don't know how you do it.
It's a bit of a legend I'm traveling it's true but not everywhere.
And so I've read the constitution I've read the articles of incorporation and the memorandum
of incorporation and there were a lot of powers and duties ascribed to your position as the
person who is almost like the chair of the special council.
What when you have the meetings first of all how often are special council meetings held?
So we are submitting like every two weeks there's a bunch of new seats that are going
either live or being every week they are reviewed and posted on the forum so then they go into
their two-week discussion period on the forum and then two-week voting period.
So we try to have like weekly conversation at least in a written form or physical meetings
for example last week Shannon Snow came to the Sandbox Paris office and we had some conversation
sometime I get a chance to meet other council members physically like etc etc and so on.
But we try to at least reconvene one or twice weekly in a form of like conversation or meetings.
Okay so you try to meet together either virtually or in person once or twice weekly?
Okay wow.
But not with everybody like it depends like basically because it's just five members and
we're all in time different time zone or traveling it's probably difficult to have like the formal
but we do have like the weekly updates with the whole team that's being shared and like
we do have those conversations around certain seats that we were on before they are actually
being submitted for discussion and voting.
Okay so you have weekly updates as a whole council and then you every two weeks you review
SIPs that come in to you for the redundancy, legality, vision check?
Yes.
Okay.
Now that's well that's based on the volume of SIP as well like the complexity of some
of them.
Okay well I've submitted four of them so you'll be seeing my name a lot.
And I have 18 more that our team is going to be putting out there so we come prepared.
Wow that's very prolific.
Okay like some work ahead for discussing them.
Yeah I have a business and proposal writing background and contract negotiation background
so I love the idea of the DAO and what we can do to build as a community and I'm a landowner
avatar so I am in this to help the sandbox and do my part just like everyone else will.
So I'm excited that DAO is great.
Me too like one thing like I think like really works well and for DAOs and journals to really
highlight how it will drive an impact for sandbox as a platform or back to the community.
Many people tend to really have a position that's a little bit too selfish.
Whenever you submit a proposal never think like what it can do for you but what can you
do for the community?
Sandfarm.
Sandfarm yes and like why it's never about asking for grants like it's also quite interesting
maybe I don't say enough like the DAO is not a charity.
He's not giving grants.
If the DAO gives you something it's more a loan or like something like how can you give
it back so the DAO can continue funding someone else and someone else on some projects.
So we try as well as a role as a council is to remind people like you're doing something
with a purpose with a clear goal and hopefully if there is a fund for return you should think
of like how you give a portion back if not entirely but and let's say at least a portion
back to the DAO so it can fund future projects.
Right now the DAO runs with a 25 million sand budget provided by the sandbox and part of
the white paper but it will need to be sustainable so we also think like how we can create everlasting
cash flow and revenue through the initiatives and that's in my opinion something that not
a lot of DAO always think about and we've seen some now starting to run out of budget
and think oh now we have to readjust we've been spending too much without that concern
and one of the reasons why we waited a bit as well ourselves to see how other DAOs perform.
Yeah absolutely the DAO expects you to deliver something that will benefit the ecosystem
and my first two steps by the way are zero dollar steps so they're something that we've
been wanting for a long time like custom resolutions and window sizing so that as I'm doing something
in game maker and Vox editor I can have my windows resized so I can have all my other
windows open whereas right now you can't do that you can't like move things around so
you can have productivity across multiple screens and then and then an in-game equipment
filter so I can choose a powers or a sword or a only things that are above 50 power speed
or whatever so those are my steps just the first two.
Nice.
Yeah so yeah right now Serial said they're undergoing an impact assessment with your
team to understand how long it would take and all that so yeah absolutely the DAO expects
us to deliver so that is exactly what I want to do so when you're having these special
council meetings how do they unfold it's like when you open up the meeting and then what
happens do you have like pleasantries and then you talk about the sips of the day or
how does it go?
Yes well we generally speaking we follow what's happening in the ecosystem we share some news
because also some of us are a part of like the 8.DAO for example or Mochaverse DAO and
so on so we look at what work what doesn't work how we can be attractive adapted we then
discuss some topics that are being brought to our attention like because the DAO has
also some advisors that specialize in certain areas like music education sustainability
and environment women empowerment Asia versus rest of the world like they are based in different
regions of the world I mean so some are more in Asia some are more in other parts we also
redirect or engage the right advisors to support it or to have their inputs as well we try
to discuss sometimes what we should put as a position for example SIP7 even though it
was voted positively the council has a neutral position and the committee was like why do
we have a neutral position?
Yes I did ask that question why was that neutral?
Good question because like basically the SIP is about the sandbox deciding to give more
money towards a community of landowners and so we of course if we we brought the SIP so
our intention is for it to get approved but if we were saying already the council is also
voting regarding to vote yes there might be some conflict of interest etc so they say
we the sandbox is the one that brought the SIP the council as a separate entity has reviewed
it and is neutral because he doesn't want to we don't know if the amount proposed by
sandbox is enough not enough but we feel like it's still good in this state so let's have
the community discuss it you know and like we didn't want to show that we are colluding
the two of us like again that they are separate and that was myself I would say that's what
positive but the rest of the council said no let's be neutral and so that's what prevails
That's fascinating that's the sort of stuff that I wanted to hear is when we saw neutral
we thought almost I say we I thought almost the opposite because the first five were positive
right so that was like the standard and then neutral it's like oh my gosh what's going
on with this one Remy put it out so he's just he's a sandbox guy so what what's going on
with that so we were we were very confused well you see like it's not that obvious so
maybe we miscommunicated why neutral but if he's something submitted by the sandbox itself
and now like the constitution was established before the other SIP were not by sandbox itself
so that's why I guess like the position is a SIP coming from sandbox itself cannot have
the doubt vote in favor of sandbox already so neutral means like make your own opinion
got it got it got it and and so then what does positive mean if neutral is make your
own opinion positive like well of course it's make your own opinion but like we as the the
council think like it will really be beneficial toward like the sandbox and its ecosystem
for like because it aligns with the core value with the line in terms of budget in terms
of like performance it can drive on the deliverable and it's not promoting something we're pushing
ourselves it's something coming from external community members got it okay thank you I
appreciate you clarifying that that's very helpful all right let's jump to one day right
now we don't have like negative or not recommended this might happen and right now you know there's
still an early stage of the DAO we are still in a phase where everything that goes to SIP
is being discussed and being reviewed with some sort of like conversation with serial
or head of DAO recommendation iteration and so there might be a stage in the future when
anyone can write a SIP directly have it on the forum and pass it without having even
like recommendation for us we are still in this case we say look we didn't have a lot
of iteration with the person who proposed the SIP we see something that doesn't make
sense our position is be careful but we will never oppose or prevent people from voting
and expressing their rights here to decide is that we are giving a recommendation got
it okay thank you I appreciate you you sharing that what do you want to achieve before the
special council elections in December of next year what do you want to achieve said well
I think like I want to like relaunch the first by phase of the DAO by June it was it's really
thinking of it's learning and educating people about like what does it mean to have a voice
and what's a democracy in a digital nation just well world how the community can get
involved I think with system like delegation and like learning how people interact we'll
see more and more traction my goal is to see many community leader emerge so they they
run their own activity they run their own events we have many more podcasts covering sandbox
we have many more education hubs that promote sandbox we even have a lot of things that
were run by the sandbox team itself now being hand over by the community presence of events
booth sponsorship all of that could ultimately move to the DAO and run by the committee itself
even the idea that sandbox residents in the country or a region or market couldn't necessarily
be the sandbox team but should be the sandbox community-led effort with someone that's not
a sandbox employee one day coming up and say I want to promote sandbox in my country in
my markets to bring creditors to bring brand bring players so the ultimate evolution I
guess of the DAO is like we described giving the players and the creditors full autonomy
to run this world to take a decision the reward the player statues the features roadmap the
ecosystem initiative and so on and I guess before the end of the year I think already
in place more community leadership podcasts delegation and identifying key leaders in
among the SanFam that want to stand up and then drive forward this authorization
awesome awesome I know there are already people who started to do that like Joseph crafter
I would love to be counted among them and earn that right as well but they're they're
already starting to to emerge and I'm I love it I actually love it if you have a podcast
and you want to run a podcast just open it up it's it there's no competition here it's
just us all creating more for the SanFam that's that's the way to go okay so you want to you
want to relaunch the first phase of the DAO by June launch delegations see community leaders
emerge see more podcasts and sponsorships and hand things over to the community all
right no it makes sense and you mentioned earlier about the the endowment so the 25
million dollars 25 million sand that was given to the DAO how many years do you expect TSB
to continue giving the set 25 million sand to the DAO
ideally for as long as possible like right now it's already planned for three years I
think on budgets and then the goal is like again like progressively will become more
and more self-sustainable and even have more budget available one day than than this through
like the activity on the platform through the volleying of the community and through
like if the project supported by the DAO has been fruitful in driving revenue like some
could lead to all like more funding for the DAO itself
I think do you ever foresee an instance where the DAO would give back to the sandbox say
it's earning a lot of revenue and would the sandbox accept something from the DAO
I think it can be interesting right now the sandbox has the cash flow to operate with
the team has done the fundraise recently we added 20 million dollar pushing our valuation
to all a billion and congratulations on that by the way enough one billion dollar valuation
that was excellent and whereas before it was 500 million two years ago right correct correct
so that's a validation of all the milestone achievement partnership growth number of executive
creator on the platform we achieved in two years lifetime the it's not impossible I would
say that the DAO driving all initiative would decide one day let's assign a budget to the
core team to build develop the platform and achieve certain milestone based on the roadmap
decided by the players and the creator themselves right now it's the configuration is not necessarily
the sandbox has its own budget is funded as good runway and so on but in the future maybe
in 10 years and 20 years in a fully decentralized world that's how we envision it would run
like having the team in charge of developing the platform and the tool of the platform
being actually funded by the foundation that operate the overall ecosystem of that platform
it's a bold vision Seb it's a bold bold vision oh man the the revenue options SIP that I
just proposed a few days ago it was that I've been in contact with Deloitte and Accenture
and open campus and new campus to put assemble a team of experts like token Amis I can economics
or economists and blockchain experts and business finance to put together a realistic sequence
of revenue options that would give revenue back to the DAO or at least earn the DAO
revenue that's the plan at least so yeah and and and I learned that by listening to Bulls
on the Block and the mocha verse halls by G and and hearing how those eight coin DAO
members are like oh my gosh we're spending so much money and we're not getting money
back into the DAO and so that's what this is all about this is to head that off now
while we're young to start earning revenue or at least finding ways that we can build
a realistic revenue back to the DAO so that we we now have more to do with
I'm really glad that you are actually very interested and caring on the topic like again
like the best way for people to be involved is to care deeply about like well like not
only the different project initiative but how the DAO can continue existing and then
become self-sustaining so raising those questions is important
Yeah and listening to Joseph I think it was podcast two or three he mentioned how he ballparked
about how many millions of sand it took for the sandbox to operate and he was worried
that it was burning like eight million sand equivalent a year and would the DAO need to
come to the rescue one day to bring that revenue back and assign a budget back and that that's
what really started the wheels turning and then when I heard the stuff about the eight
point down member saying we're spending too much we're not getting enough back that's
like all right we need to do this we need to we need to think about it now
I think it's a question that we've always had and that's why one of the first thing
that the DAO launched when you go to sandbox.dao.com website you see the budget transparently how
is being spent by different pools and like what's left for this year how much has been
spent where and so on like giving full transparency or budget that's important as like voting
and approving those initiatives
Yeah and I was showing them right now as you're talking the allocation per category and the
dashboard on the sandbox.dao website absolutely and that that's part of what the DAO checkbook
we went over a little bit earlier was a real time accounting of those dollars because I
am very much into sustainability I don't want us to burn all of our money and be like well
where did it go so that's yeah right cool um so you frequently say the culture capital
of the metaverse what is it that you want to see out of the DAO to where you say or
the sandbox to where you say that's it we've arrived we are the cultural capital of the
metaverse
Well I wish there was such like one final stage where like hey it's over we've done
it that's all for me no culture is something that's constantly evolving you know like new
trends emerge something that used to be cool one year later is no longer cool a new form
of content new creativity is infinite and like by empowering more people to express
their imagination to express their creativity with our no code tool like with the initiative
of the DAO we're going to see constantly an influx of ideas constant a renewal of new
cool new thing that we never thought about new vertical that has been addressed where
like sandbox and solution can tap into empowering people not just in fashion in sport music
and gaming entertainment but who knows all the ways around and it's hard to say like
we've it's something that's finished we've reached at one point and it's over no we have
to be constantly relevant with culture how we stay relevant in people's mind about what
we do what kind of activation we do and I wish like that's what makes sandbox exciting
like maybe coming back to sandbox in two years in five years from now you will get a different
user experience more immersion exciting new social feature very different content we already
see that as well like if you played sandbox at season one or two two three years ago and
today it's so different and and sometimes my frustration is that people don't see how
much it improved how it's different how there's all these gameplay rules logic fun rewards
so many brands have a lot of different things while two years ago it was let's say more
limited in all the possibilities yeah now i it's come a long long way so i understand
now why you you waited until now to start the dow process where we have that offering
that solid foundation with which to build off of whereas before two years ago when we
first started i can understand how that wouldn't have evolved or flourished to the extent that
we are right now so well yeah is there anything from the dow that you think would contribute
to that culture capital of the metaverse yeah i think so i think like we we we can see people
who already run want to submit a year long proposal for covering sandbox representing
sandbox and value savings around the world we're seeing people who want to launch game
jams around certain topics we're seeing people who want to assemble to be involved in supporting
like movies or other projects as well like because of that i think like it will help
sandbox to drive but it will help to drive constantly like new relevant cultural project
new activation that's and make that position uh sandbox as a gaming platform ugc and um
metaverse in general as like a solution that helps to engage people that helps people to
be more creative that drive them into like all form of interaction that they've not seen
on all the platforms yeah yeah okay so the the way we could do that is by by representing
the sandbox around the world being authorized by the sips to perform those functions okay
no that that makes sense i'm i'm very encouraged by this conversation seb i'm glad that that
we we got the chance to speak i i only have about two questions left and you you said
you said um you and zero have mentioned frequently and you said today you want to get to the
point where you've transitioned power and responsibility to the community and you and
zero have spoken frequently on what that might look like like where there might not even
be a sandbox company running the show running the development it might end up being the
dao what would do you need to see before you feel comfortable doing that and that the dao
is ready
you know i i'm an entrepreneur i'm very hands-on person we very detailed attention focus for
the product with the delivery and we shipped uh we shipped so many products over years
like since i've been an entrepreneur i delivered multiple games project collaboration i also
in sandbox like ship so many updates and my son of the product and a different product
of a platform i guess like we will reach a stage where we feel like there might not even
be a sandbox uh team and platform uh team in charge of a platform ultimately either
the day we will have open source everything and we'll have people that can continue uh
development and shipping release regularly or we've seen that we've uh uh like the platform
can continue on its own without actually us being the only contributor that's really i
feel like where we reach our model is probably open source development in this case where
you have some uh project that can totally run only on contribution from a few developers
in a community but are not paid by a company and so on and still like they ship major updates
and maybe the foundation has a few engineers and people as well uh as part of it's never
been seen before in gaming right even games never been done said it's bold it's a long-term
vision if everything runs well but we're not too idealistic it's something just to be careful
about like again i'm very hands-on very down to her from many aspects we're so attached
to details when we ship things so let's do step by step and hopefully encouraging people
to participate attracting the right profiles to care uh and be involved on those aspects
will help to while i go i think after watching almost 20 hours of you doing podcasts and
different seminars i think it's very obvious how how much you care it's it's super obvious
just how much you want this to succeed and and how you want this to be a realistic transfer
not just some hopeful charity where oh let's just see what happens no you i i i really
enjoy i think that's awesome seb i think that's awesome thank you but we we we strive for
the goal it's still early on but with support from you and landowners and people who are
committed in the space like i hope this will become with turn reality yeah and i say frequently
to people who ask me like what is the sandbox it's it is the one of the first things i've
seen that has a multi multi variable value proposition it's not just you're a gamer it's
you've got land ownership you've got vox edit so your artists and your designers you've
got game maker which is your level designers you have your token speculators you trading
off of sandbox token now you have the dow which are your business people and your entrepreneurs
and your industry experts like you've got so many different things converging on the
sandbox that it i think it's it's only a matter of if it's only a matter of when seb not if
that this takes hold and starts really surpassing its counterparts like roblox the central land
i think we already passed that one but you know we start reaching those heights when
when things are opening up and enabling all of these types of people to get together uh
last question this one from little legion and in the chat do you think we can use the
dow sip funding to start up regional tournaments for an esports league for our game and this
one hits close to me because i used to be involved in like an esports podcast back in
the day and and all that sorts of stuff and and what do you think about that
i think i think once we reach a certain quality of gameplay of 3c like we enable multiplayer
competition people for example in first person shooter like we have like a very precise control
on avatar shooting mechanism and this enables skill-based gameplay at much more expert level
that right now this would definitely be possible over the last year over the last 12 months
the sandbox first thoughts adding rule system adding a lot of behaviors components and rules
that are multiplayer adding score leaderboards showing best time on the map and on the victory
screen i mean resource soon we'll have persistency we'll have even more capabilities on the avatar
like jumping flying and so on all of that will enable a level of like gameplay that
enables competitive
oh did he freeze on me like he did you all
is he frozen he looks frozen to me oh no
oh he's too many beans sab you there oh dear
we'll just sit here and wait he's got the he's got the you know the the he's got the
pose man this has been a great conversation oh my gosh okay he left for a moment let's
see if we can get him back in but he um this has been a great conversation i really wanted
to know some of these things that he was speaking to uh we'll see if we can't bring him back
in here
oh now am i sab yeah i see that now um but he revealed a lot of stuff that i kept hearing
things like crafter candidly christin and and hodl spoke about and andy richie spoke
about and and joseph just things that we've been wondering about didn't know and now here
he goes just told us there he's back so we're just uh we're just bragging on you sab go
ahead we're running out of fighting for a bit um yes um good so uh yeah you were just
talking about how you wanted to make sure that we had the jumping fighting mechanics
and the consistency ready ready before we we do the esports leagues absolutely like
right now sandbox uh is still more perceived and probably the tool we provide for casual
gaming uh it will keep improving over time to enable hopefully to reach a level of uh
player experience and skills base competitive gameplay that allows for more competition
yeah excellent excellent now that makes sense okay okay that would be our last question
let's roll into uh future episodes you know seb uh we got through all those questions
i know we're gonna have more in the future so i'd love to do a part two when we have
more of these sorts of of consolidated viewpoints but you you have thank you for being so open
and flexible with your time to where we we could just do it right now um so yeah absolutely
yeah love it love it i'm going to go ahead and hit the raid button on someone else and
last one for sandcaster um so you're an educator from sg i use ve and game maker not only to
teach the sandbox framework but also to use it for lessons such as logic math design can
i tap on the dow available for me to build a pedagogy to train young children in the
region around yes uh sandcastler you can do that right now you can submit a sip that will
that could request funding um there's already a sip sort of like it but not the same thing
and you might also look up megan and uh mokishi from open campus and new campus who are looking
to do the same thing and i've been looking to find a way to partner with them like i'm
in the revenue options if you partner with them on the educator side that is exactly
what they're looking for and they're looking for other partners other than the eight point
dow so yes absolutely you could do that and the areas around stem like you mentioned i'm
sorry said did you have anything else you want to add to that
Coming on my side uh again like thank you so much let's have regular updates let's look
at uh educating more about the different seeds what the right way to submit yours like to
engage and current create a community to participate into the seed uh and hopefully get them like
supported because we always need to reach the quorum to get them passed on and um happy
to answer all the questions feel free to reach out to us on the forum on social media on
twitter and uh um yeah like the different uh community uh members and some members like
shane today will be opening soon an ambassador program as well uh where like more people
will be involved so stay tuned about that yeah absolutely and and i i serial mentioned
that maybe i should join the the ambassador program and i'm sure that it's open to everyone
else as well would you see that it as a conflict of interest if i went or others went for the
the ambassador program but were interested in in being nominated for the special council
in the future do you see that as a conflict of interest like you mentioned earlier about
the neutral positive i don't see it on the opposite like the best way to actually be
a candidate for a council role is actually to prove what you've done for the sandbox
community what are the results the action you've done and the result of their action
so that people can entrust you even more with more responsibility so i see it as a great
one step forward progressively actually to acquire more uh greater responsibilities held
by the support of the community in the dark okay right that that makes me feel better
i've been wrestling with that the past few days and i don't i don't like conflicts of
interest kind of like how you alluded to with the positive and the neutral thing it's undue
influence and it just messes up mess it makes messy of the of the the due process of voting
and uh but i'm glad thank you for for saying that seb thank you for your time mercy mercy
beaucoup by french is terribly miserable but you know thank you so much for your time and
i will definitely be reaching out again when i feel that we have a number of questions
ready for you again and i love what you do big fan thank you for being so motivating
and encouraging absolutely thank you everyone and see you soon in sandbox and on the dow
cheers cheers all right