What's up everybody?
We are back again for the sixth podcast episode for Sandow.
Sandow is the SandboxDow podcast, or a podcast about the SandboxDow, where we talk about
everything having to do with our community here in the Sand Fam and all the stuff that affects it.
All the stuff that matters to us.
Everything from sips to the players in them and everything that we need to do to be healthy.
So today I have a very special guest, old one, of Lulu Land fame and MochaCien.
If you've been a Sandbox player for a little while, then you've likely played Lulu Land
or some of the other experiences that old one has published.
Old one is that, I think from season one or season two, big train station in the beginning
and has a lot of positive vibes and also had a lot of images and NFTs, like a little museum.
So welcome old one and glad to have you here.
Hey, I'm really happy to have this chance to talk to everyone, including the Sand Fam
and maybe also the Mocha Fam.
It has been a while since my last space or something and I think the Sandbox is pretty
special to us because we started our career in the Web3 world with the Sandbox.
So yeah, I have a special, I think I do have a special connection with all the Sand Fans
and yeah, I love to talk to everyone here today.
Great.
Thank you old one.
I appreciate that.
Appreciate your time and look forward to the discussion.
So everyone slide two scope of the talk.
What is today about?
It's about a meet and greet with old one and a learning opportunity to learn from old one
and what his background is, his association is with with Sandbox, as you just heard,
it is really expanded and started like delving deep into Web3 through the Sandbox.
So there's a special connection there and also how that has evolved into Mocha CN and
what that means for the Sandbox style.
So meet and greet and a learning opportunity.
Introductions.
So my name is Lancer, I'm the podcast host for Sandow and I am a avatar owner.
I'm a landowner and I've published two games as president of MetaWorlds, the floor droppers
and most recently Lava Defense.
I have a background in business and contract negotiations.
I've been in San Fam for about two, three years now since about midway through season
one and I've I loved it ever since, especially the connection between builders, artists and
players and then now the DAO.
I am very heavily interested in the DAO and I've authored three SIPs, two of which are
we're working on the tail end with the project management team to get them out to public
commentary before they go to vote and I have four more planned in here in the near future.
Most of them are zero dollar SIPs, stuff like changing resolutions, allowing in-game filters
for inventory, stuff that as players we've been wanting to see for a while.
And yeah, so that's me.
And Old One, if you wouldn't mind, please introduce yourself, where are you from and
how did you came to be in the sandbox?
Okay, so you can just call me Old One.
I'm based in China and we set up Little Land in 2021 and we started our business, a web
three business in sandbox.
And my partner is in New York, so New Land is part based in New York and part based in
China.
And I was working in different industry before I entered the web three world, basically gaming
industry, branding and product design saying.
And at that moment I found the sandbox.
I think it's really cool and it's really easy for everyone to start a journey like that's
to build games.
So I joined.
Yeah, I think that's it.
And so you said that it's partly based in New York, that's where your partner is and
then partly based in China where you are.
I'm in Shenzhen, it's just beside Hong Kong.
Yeah, and what was that you said in the very beginning about web three, how sandbox was
your first foray into web three?
Yes, yes.
I think at the moment I learned about the blockchain long ago.
I also buy some crypto tokens.
But at that moment, I think it's the first wave of the game five thing.
First there is Axie Infinity.
I played it a little bit, but the gameplay is kind of not that fun.
And then I found sandbox and then we started it.
It's just so interesting because you like building Voxel models are so easy and building
games with sandbox is kind of easy too.
So we just, and I think at that moment we got the COVID, the traditional industry is
not that good.
So we just moved to the web three.
Gotcha.
And starting with the sandbox.
Yes.
Okay, great.
Well, let's, I kind of just started the questions already.
So let's roll right into, let's get the disclaimer and then a couple preamble items.
So for the disclaimer, Old Juan and I, we do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox
foundation.
We speak for ourselves as SanFam community members and we are not your financial or legal
advisors and nothing either of us say is to be taken as financial or legal advice.
Right, Old Juan?
You're not, you're not a lawyer.
You're not looking to give financial legal advice.
I didn't want to speak for you.
I didn't, I didn't ask you beforehand.
Is that right, Old Juan?
Yep.
Okay.
So next up, the DAL scoreboard, something I just finished putting together last night.
So SIPs and drafts.
So this is counting our DAL right now, all the SIPs going on.
So there is one SIP and draft.
That's the Creator First by Kirill.
That was Sandow podcast number three, I believe.
Zero SIPs pending activation.
The SIP seven and eight just went out of activation and into open voting.
So they'll be on for a 14 day period.
Six SIPs have already closed, of which all six were approved.
The last one that was approved was Magic Palette, Pepe and Sand Rush, which by the way, Old
Juan, I think you all had a part to play in that, which I want to get into a little bit
later.
And then last but not least, of the five that I intend to submit here soon from MetaWorlds,
we've already submitted three of them.
So there's that.
And also, I just finished putting this one together, the DAL checkbook.
So out of a 15.5 million sand budget, so far, we have spent 14, excuse me, 1.1 million.
So we have about 14.3 million sand left from our current budget.
So something I like to do to keep track of the numbers.
And let's jump into the discussion.
So Old Juan, what is MochaCN?
MochaCN is actually a naturally formed community.
I think that's the simple answer.
All right.
I think we lost you there for the last five seconds.
MochaCN was naturally formed from where?
Okay, sorry.
Let me say it again.
MochaCN is a naturally formed community, like the Chinese community of mochavers.
Okay.
So it's a...
Yeah, and it is...
Go ahead.
It is formed, yeah, it is formed by my big brother called MochaFan.
You say it was formed by your big brother?
Not really.
That big brother is a...
Sorry for my English.
It's just a big brother, big brother.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay, gotcha.
Okay.
And it was formed by who?
Called Fan, MochaFan.
And you can find...
He's just holding the MochaCN Twitter.
It's the family name.
Oh, MochaFan.
Okay, got it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I saw there on the Twitter, so FanMush?
Yeah.
Got it.
Hazel.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cool.
Hazel is another friend of us, based in Hong Kong, who is also being very active in the
ape community.
And how did... when you say it was naturally formed, what happened to where it formed so
naturally?
I think at the moment when the Mocha was in that, he was published, was launched, Fan
just creates a WeChat group, you know, WeChat every chance you use WeChat.
Yeah, he just created a WeChat group and people just keep joining.
And yeah, we also invite a couple of friends who used to invest in the web industry and
they just come and we just keep growing, keep growing.
And we also build connection with the Mochaverse team and that's it.
Okay.
And how many members...
Yeah, let me say it started with a WeChat group.
Got it.
WeChat group.
Okay.
And how many members do you have now?
Actually, it's hard to calculate because, you know, WeChat got a limitation of the number
of group participants.
Like it only allowed 500 people.
So at the moment we have 500 people as NFT holders in the WeChat group.
But we also have other WeChat groups, like for example, other projects from Animoca,
which also in the same ecosystem.
And we also have Mocha IP group.
Okay.
So that's, yeah, some two or three thousand something, I don't know.
Okay, gotcha.
So I'm sorry, did I just hear you say you have 3000 members?
I don't know, just estimated.
Okay, gotcha.
So at the very least you have at least 500 members, is what I heard.
Yeah, that's, I think you can call that, it's the core members or NFT holders.
Core members, okay.
Got it.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And, okay, so you formed it via the WeChat group.
So that's how most of you all organize and communicate is through the WeChat group?
Yes, yes.
Okay.
And I think I saw just was it today on the Mocha scene Twitter, y'all did a, like an
event on Discord, you had like a, like a staged event?
I don't really know about that.
No, I saw a picture of it on Twitter.
I think it was Mocha CN that posted it.
No, where was it?
Oh, I was just looking at it earlier today.
It had a picture of someone on stage, like Tyler Durden was there and some other things.
That's the official AMA in Discord.
Oh, was it?
Okay.
OG is saying it was the Mocha CN and Mocha JP had an event this morning.
I don't think so.
Okay.
I saw the picture.
So I knew it, some sort of event was had on Discord and it was, it like tagged Mocha CN
or something like that.
I think everyone related to Mocha are busy these two, three days with the TGE, so no
one got time to organize any event, but there are a lot of AMA going on.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
So is WeChat the only place you all communicate to each other?
Let's see, WeChat is the most convenient place we talk with each other, but everything also,
the communication also happens in Discord, like the Mochaverse Discord and also on Twitter.
Yeah.
And the funny thing is I actually got connected with many of these people started with the
sandbox because at that time we got another group called the sandbox land owner group.
And I know Mocha's friend there and I know also a lot of good friends there.
There are like a lot of really good investors there.
Gotcha.
Okay.
And you're talking about like on Discord, the land owner chat?
No, land owner WeChat group.
Oh, oh, there's a land owner WeChat group.
Okay.
Got it.
Yeah.
MochaCN WeChat and there's a sandbox land owner WeChat group, Mochaverse Discord and
Twitter.
Yes.
Got it.
Okay.
And so you formed this with fans mush, which was via WeChat.
And so, okay, so it sounds like it's really just a network of Chinese members who are
engaged in the Mochaverse in some way.
And is there any like particular focus that you all have, emphasis or thing that you all
pay most attention to in the Mochaverse?
Oh, the simple answer is a lot of participants treat this as an investment.
So they want to make money.
Okay.
I think that's a simple choose here for every blockchain project.
But from, but I think there are also many builders join like, for example, Hesu, we
just found his Twitter handle there under Mocha fans Twitter.
Hesu is also another co-founder of MochaCN.
She's based in Hong Kong and she participated in the APE ecosystem for a long time.
So she's also helping building the ecosystem to also let more people know about Mochaverse.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
He's also part of the APE DAO, I think.
Yeah.
Ji is a saint in chat.
Hazel is also in the 8-point DAO governance.
That's cool.
Yeah.
Yes.
The DAO special council right on.
Good for you, Hazel.
Congratulations.
Cool.
So a lot of participants treat it as an investment.
Okay.
So then you're really in Mochaverse itself has business been good?
Are you happy so far what you're seeing?
I think yes.
Let's see.
Yes.
There is noises, especially in this kind of market situation, up down, up down.
And especially with this TGE thing, it was very noisy yesterday.
Somebody fought, somebody just believes.
So it's funny.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
And so you all have been described, by the way, shout out to Ji.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with Ji, but Ji introduced me a lot to the DAO and he's
in chat now.
Flowers, Ji.
So he helped expose me to what a DAO is, helped me learn all sorts of stuff.
And it was his idea, actually, the other just the other week, when Pepe was trying to find
a quorum, he only had like 15 million votes.
And he and out of the 14 day period, he needed 15 million votes and only two or three days.
So during one of the Mochaverse hauls, I think it was last Monday, this past Monday, Ji recommended
that we reach out to MochaCN and ask if there were anyone who would would vote for Pepe's
quorum.
And that's how I reached out to you, Old Juan.
Okay.
Yeah, so when I looked you up, and I saw that you were one of the founders and that you
were Lulu land, come to find out.
That's when I decided to send you a tweet and ask if you would help.
Interesting.
Thank you, Ji.
Thank you for connecting us.
Yeah, and I appreciate that big time.
And Ji was just for a plug for Mochaverse Hall.
If you all don't know, Mochaverse Hall is a place also called United Grand Halls, a
place where it's a gathering place for all the Mochaverse family members.
And I had heard Ji spoke some time ago, you used to be involved in Mochaverse Hall or
like a co-host of some kind.
Uh huh, yes.
Yeah, and so can you help me understand what happened in terms of are you in a different
place now to where your MochaCN is taking most of your time?
Would you ever see any sort of integration or sharing of audiences and platforms?
What's your thoughts on that?
Sorry, I don't really understand this question.
So you used to be co-host with Mochaverse Hall some time ago.
Uh huh.
Okay, sorry.
I think I have to say sorry, I'm just too lazy.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm just too lazy.
Actually I'm not a guy who loves to talk in public.
I prefer just building quietly.
And yeah, sometimes I also ignore messages on Twitter.
So sorry Ji, I think sometimes I also ignore your messages.
Yeah, I think there's no special reason.
Yeah, and Ji was speaking to this how he would very much like to find a synergy because
we're all looking to build the Mochaverse together.
And I really felt very deeply about that because as I learn more about the Mochaverse and I'm
now a Mocha holder, so I'm part of the Mocha family now, and I'm starting to learn how
it participates in the sandbox and that so many people in Mochaverse are part of the
sandbox.
I agree that there's a lot of synergy we can do to help each other and to be good community
members to each other.
So I know that he would appreciate the opportunity to work together with you in some way.
I know he's expressed that before.
Yes, yes, sure.
Cool.
Yeah, me too.
And so let's get down to some things that I really wanted to ask you about, is the voting.
So with so many members, not just in Mochaverse, but also so many people connected to the sandbox,
can you give me an idea for what does MochaCN vote on and what do you participate in?
I think the voting principle for MochaCN is pretty simple.
We just focus on the Mochaverse ecosystem because at the moment, the most voting happens
in the APE dial.
But actually, the APE dial is not really a Mocha dial.
It is the VAPS-3 ecosystem, but we judge whether we vote yes or no for the voting based on
if these AIP are related to Mochaverse or benefit to Mochaverse or benefit something
which is kind of good to the whole ecosystem.
I think that's the principle we vote.
Okay.
And when you're assessing whether or not something is good for the Mochaverse ecosystem, is there
anything that stands out to you as this is definitely something that helps the ecosystem?
Let's see.
One of the most key things here is the traffic.
We need more people to learn about Mochaverse.
We need more people to not really buy the NFT, but you can start with MochaID or something.
Just involve more people because Mochaverse is still kind of actually young.
The community is not as strong as APE or as some other very old NFT projects.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so you're focused more on education things and things that will drive more traffic to
the Mochaverse, right?
Yeah.
I think at the moment, that's it.
Because the difference between Mochaverse and APE is Mochaverse got a core team.
APE is more decentralized.
So the core team will do their part, right?
To build everything, to build products, to build...
Just to follow the roadmap.
But from the community side, from the downside, I think it's more about education and bringing
more people in.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So it's about bringing more people in.
And where Mochaverse has that core team that can really build on that and then sounds like
in a different or stronger way than APE CoinDAO?
I won't say a more stronger way, but it's a different path.
A different path, okay.
Yeah, the Deep CoinDAO start at a very good timing.
I think at that time, the market situation is great.
Everything keeps growing and it can start in a decentralized way.
But I think nowadays, everything is different.
So I think the Mochaverse is doing good.
Okay.
Yeah.
And full disclosure, I am also an APE.
So I don't really participate much.
I'm very much in the sandbox.
I'm a builder, landowner.
Me too.
Right.
And yes, we'll get to that here pretty soon.
But I love the sandbox.
I love the vision of it.
I love what the value is.
So I'm very interested in building up the DAO.
Whereas APE is, I understand it, but I think my heart is in helping the sandbox DAO.
So what's your connection to, and we'll walk ourselves back to the sandbox DAO, but let's
start with Lululand.
What's your connection to the sandbox?
Is it just Lululand or are there other things as well?
See, Lululand is the main connection we have with the sandbox.
But if you say other things, I think we have very good relationship with the Chinese landowners
because you know that I mentioned the Chinese landowner WeChat group.
We do have a strong connection there.
Okay, got it.
And so now that the DAO has been formed, we're looking at SIPs, the sandbox improvement proposals,
just for sandbox.
What's your stance on voting for the sandbox DAO versus voting for Mochaverse?
Do you do both?
Do you really just focus on the Mochaverse?
Where do you fall on that?
I think I follow both.
Yeah, Mochaverse is the Mocha-seam part.
And for sandbox, I think the Mocha voting power hasn't been involved yet.
So for the sandbox DAO, we just present as Lululand.
And we also kind of present some of the landowners.
Landowner, okay.
Okay, gotcha.
Yeah.
And so this is what I think happened, right?
So after I contacted you, I think you voted with your land and also some others did.
And that's what eventually tipped the scales because a few days after that, Pepe got his
quorum.
So did you end up voting?
If you don't mind saying?
Yes.
Great.
Because when I was looking at the snapshot, which had the results of the vote, I couldn't
tell where because they're mostly, you know, wallet numbers instead of like a dot ETH where
I could figure that part out.
But yeah, well, thank you so much for doing that.
I have no doubt that that what was so 4500, you have a 12 by 12.
So it's 144.
So that's at least 600,000 voting power, not including some of the other lands that
you may have as well.
So I really appreciate that.
Thank you for helping Pepe achieve that.
Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, thanks for all of effort because I think the what's the name of that project
from Sanras?
Magic palette?
Yeah, it was.
It is good.
It is actually what the landowner needs.
They need more easy tours to start their way in the sandbox.
Yeah, yeah, great.
Okay.
And when you were when you were reviewing magic palette, was there anything that stood
out to you as this is obviously something good?
What was it that really convinced you to vote?
I think I just like in the first glance because we also have some similar concepts.
Times ago, like doing some modular construction assets for people to use to construction buildings
in a very short time.
So I think we're just in the same path.
Definitely have to vote for him.
Gotcha.
And what so selfishly I will have sips in the future.
I know there are other steps that are already starting to to pop up like the two for the
city jam.
And then also the one by Remy, who did the landowner staking step.
So what is your criteria for the future and how you want to vote for future steps?
Let's see.
I think at the moment when we talk about about sandbox, actually, there are two main problems
we need to solve.
The first thing is on the technical side, like how to improve the game maker to make
it better, make it easier for people to join.
That is one thing and the second thing is, you know, that the price of the land has dumped
a lot.
So we need new traffic.
So basically, that's the true things we should focus on.
And for the Dow, I think it should, it shares kind of the same goal.
So if any SIP is focusing on this two part, we definitely love to look into it to see
if it works for supporting.
Okay, so you said SIPs that make it easier for players to join the sandbox and SIPs that
help what lower the price of the land or raise the price of land?
Raise the price.
I'll say also bringing more people.
It's not really the price.
Yeah, it's about if new people come in and the price goes up.
Bringing in new people.
Okay, got it.
And so Magic Palette, I'm sure is going to help bring in new people.
But its main focus was, it's going to help builders build easier, you know, landowners
like yourself and to build more land on their land faster.
What about that?
Let me rephrase my question.
So you said what convinced you to vote for Magic Palette was the increase in builder
capability.
And that what you want to vote on in the future is to make it easier for players to join and
bringing in new people.
So is your voting just things that help the sandbox community thrive?
Or is there the different connection there that I haven't voiced?
I don't really understand the last one.
I guess what I'm asking for is there will be other sips that won't just be bringing
in new players.
And there might be sips that are more builder oriented or stakeholder oriented.
Will you see those as helping the sandbox community?
I think yes.
Okay.
Yeah, because it's not only about builders and players.
The blockchain market is still really like finance and money related.
So we need all kinds of people to join.
Got it.
Okay.
We need all types of people.
Yeah.
And then we can push this heavy track forward.
Got it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
They.
So it sounds like whatever makes it easier for players to join, bringing in new people
and helps the various parts of sandbox like builders, the artists, all the different people
like that.
Okay.
Cool.
Because I know some of my sips.
My sips are very much like the first one was Windows resolution.
Like if you have a monitor that is over 1080, it won't let you select a resolution.
And if you have a game maker, you can't like resize it.
So whenever you're trying to have game maker and different windows open, it's very difficult
to do all that at once.
So my sips was just simply, can you please make it to where I can resize it?
You know what I mean?
So it's very simple.
Very simple sips will require zero dollars from the down.
Can we just give the tech team a call to solve this?
Yes, exactly.
The second one thing was the biggest one for me was if you've got a lot of stuff in your
inventory in game, it's very difficult to navigate.
And sometimes the pictures don't pop up.
So you don't even know what you're clicking on.
So I want a filter.
I want an equipment filter so I can only show like power or speed or whatever it is I need
to do in that game.
So to me, that wouldn't exactly fall under old one, bringing in new people, but it would
make the player experience better.
Are those things something you would consider voting for?
Yeah, I guess I'd ask that.
Definitely.
Yes, this is a yeah, I think that's what you mentioned.
This kind of thing is a part of job the core team should solve.
It's not even necessary for the doubt to be to push to vote.
Because I think it's just the product side.
It should be solved by the tech team internally.
Yeah, that's true.
And I guess because I've been playing sandbox like LuluLimit, when I would play LuluLimit
and I'm running around in your map and just all these different things that I've learned
just like everybody else has playing, they're just little things that I really want in there.
So because I haven't seen them yet, that's when I put in a sip to make it happen.
So if you sit together for one hour, we'll have a lot of like this kind of SIP.
For me, it's just quality of life, wanting to make the player experience better so that
when we do bring people in, they want to stay because it's a fun game to play.
And there's a lot of easy things for them to do.
So if someone wants to, you're a major landowner, and you know you have a good relationship
with the other Chinese landowners, how can someone best ask for your consideration when
voting?
I think first is the communication channel.
I'm sorry, what was that?
In which channel?
The communication channel.
I mean, first, you have to find us on WeChat or maybe if you're drawing WeChat, that will
be better because you can get directly to the MochaCN people.
Because we are not really voting, besides how the voting happens, we are voting for
the whole community.
We are voting for the MochaCN community.
If you want to get support from MochaCN, first try to get involved somewhere.
Like we just mentioned, WeChat, Twitter, try to interact with MochaCN more with this group
of people.
And then if the voting itself is beneficial to the community, I mean for sandbox style
and for MochaCN style, I think I'm showing the same principle.
If it's beneficial to the ecosystem, then we will think about it.
Okay, great.
And how does someone access the WeChat?
I've never used WeChat, so I'm not sure either.
You can download the WeChat and ask me for inviting codes.
And for someone who hasn't yet spoken with you yet, is there a way that they can do it
or do they need to tweet you?
How do they get access?
I think try to connect us on Twitter first.
Okay, connect on Twitter.
And ask for a WeChat invite code, is it called, I suppose?
And so they can connect with you on Twitter.
And if they don't use WeChat, then Twitter, is that the only place or is there somewhere
on Discord they can reach you as well?
Okay so Twitter, Discord, and did I hear you say something else?
I think that's it.
And so if they access the WeChat, then they'll have the most, they'll have the direct connection
to you and the community to where they can propose the SIP for the community's consideration?
Yes.
Okay, great.
And Zitha in chat says, WeChat has a translation feature.
It's good enough to communicate, so feel free to join.
Okay, great.
Thank you, Zitha.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's playing good with WeChat.
Cool.
Well, thank you so much for revealing that.
I think a lot of people, especially in the SanFam, we're so new to the DAO.
So many people are learning as we go.
And as I hear, you know, and BOTB bulls on the block or Mochaverse Hall with G, I keep
hearing some of the same players talk about how important delegations are and how important
voting blocks are and how to maximize your chance for success when promoting a, or when
offering a proposal to the community.
And one of the biggest things that we are learning, I am learning in the sandbox DAO,
is just how important a quorum is and what that means that you need to contact people
like yourself, excuse me, and others to reach that quorum just so you have a fighting chance
to get a proposal.
Do you have a lot of experience with DAOs?
I think not really.
I learned about DAOs for a while, but I only participate, starts from the APE DAO, like
the moment when the Mochaverse joined the APE DAO, then we started to participate in
the DAO system.
So everything I know is actually from the APE DAO.
Okay.
So from the APE DAO.
Yeah.
And then we come to Sandbox DAO and maybe later Mocha DAO.
And is the sandbox Chinese landowner network, the one that people would gain access to if
they're sandbox, is that the same or different from the WeChat for the Mocha CN network?
It's different.
And there are a lot of people who participate in both sides, but it's still a different
group of people.
Okay.
Got it.
So did you notice a difference in how the Mocha CN members vote versus the Chinese landowners
vote?
I know we're so new that maybe we haven't seen enough yet, but what are your thoughts?
Sorry.
There's some noise.
It's okay.
My question was, do you see a difference in the way the Mocha CN members vote and things
they care about versus the Chinese landowners from sandbox?
Sorry.
Something's happening on my side.
Okay.
Yeah, that's okay.
We can...
No, no, no.
Can you wait me for like five seconds and then come back?
That's no problem.
So take a short break and come on back.
Yeah.
So I'll just look at the chat while we're waiting.
Go West.
Nice.
Hey, Go West.
How are you?
And Zita, I really appreciate your answers and your input in the chat.
It's helped me understand some things as well as I talked to old one.
NG, welcome, my friend.
You're always welcome.
Yeah.
Streamlabs.
I haven't figured it out.
I only just got Streamlabs maybe a month ago.
I'm still learning it and I have a very overzealous moderator right now.
Hey, hello, I'm back.
Yeah.
Hey, no problem.
I was just talking to Zita and everyone in chat.
So sorry.
I missed the last question.
It's okay.
What was it?
The last one was, do you see a difference in the way the Mocha CN community votes or
talks different than the sandbox Chinese landowners?
Okay.
For this one, I think the Mocha CN group is more experienced in the web three world and
the sandbox more.
The sandbox landowner group, I think at that time, there's people joining.
A lot of people who participate in the sandbox are fresh to the blockchain thing.
So that's the difference.
The Mocha CN group, they are more educated with the web three market and the sandbox
landowner group, it's the sandbox landowner group.
A part of them are really good investors.
A lot of them are also are freshmen.
What was that last word?
They're fresh something?
Fresh.
I'm like more fresh to the web three world.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
They're newer to the web three world.
Got it.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Thank you for explaining that.
Okay.
So that's, that'll conclude the first page of questions.
And the second page, I think we did talk about this quite a bit.
The question was how involved is Mocha CN with the sandbox DAO?
And oh, you know, we didn't ask that part yet.
So if the Mocha CN members are different from the Chinese sandbox landowners, but the Mocha
verse has a stake in the sandbox, is there any crossover there?
Yes, there are.
There are a lot of crossovers, many because even sandbox is part of the Mocha ecosystem.
And we know Mocha start with, I think, X infinity and sandbox and a lot of Mocha verse holders
are transferred from the sandbox people.
Because at that time, I think sandbox also got right list to mean the mocha verse.
Okay.
So yeah.
Okay, got it.
Okay.
And I did somewhat ask this, but I wanted to ask in a different way.
What is important to the Mocha CN community?
You had previously said that they wanted to focus on bringing in new players.
And is there anything else for the Mocha verse that they care about?
You mentioned investors.
What do you think?
What's your impression?
Let's see the most important thing is still the price, the price of the assets.
Price of the assets, okay.
Yeah.
So to be honest, this is always the first priority.
Okay, got it.
And then if we talking about others, it will be, yeah, I think as I mentioned, the traffic
and part of the culture maybe like Flan and Hesil and I, we're really, we are always working
to build on the culture side.
Okay got it.
And this kind of goes to a question that was asked in chat by G. Is there any, and I'm
going to butcher this word.
Is there any alpha that you can share with what you're building?
Maybe something related to culture?
He's asking about the Mocha verse in sandbox experience.
Yeah, I think it's coming soon to the sandbox.
There will be, because I think you already see the Mocha verse cross sandbox game jam
happened one, two months ago.
And I think some, if you already participate in the game jam, you may also heard something.
There will definitely be a Mocha verse sandbox event coming soon.
Oh, a Mocha verse sandbox event coming soon.
And it's going to be hosted on the sandbox or is it hosted like an in-person thing?
Sandbox, sandbox, sandbox.
Okay.
And are we talking like a jam of some kind or is it something special?
I think just like the game events happened on sandbox before.
Okay, okay.
Got it.
But a Mocha verse spin on it.
Yeah, but definitely we'll connect to the Mocha system like you can earn some RP and
more reward maybe.
Gotcha.
And what's your role?
What's your participation in the event?
We're helping Mocha verse to build the extrinses.
Okay, great.
Great.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I hope you will like the extrinses.
Yeah.
I mean, if it's anything like what I've played before in Lulu land and there was one other
that I played with, that I saw on your website, sure it'll be, sure I'll have a grand time.
Cool.
Good question, Gene.
I'm just trying our best.
Yeah.
Like, can you say if it's going to include some of like the version 10 stuff that came
out the point 10 where I think it was NFT scan and the asset management or resource
management?
It's not.
I think there.
I can tell everything.
I think yeah, it was built a while ago.
Not really.
Oh, okay.
Got it.
So maybe point nine or something else like that.
But some of the new functions are also involved.
Cool.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah.
Cool.
I'm looking forward to it.
Let's play together.
Yeah, let's play together and have a good time again.
Yeah.
Well, excellent.
So something to look forward to there, Mochaverse and Sandbox event.
It sounds like it'll be special and you're helping them out.
All right.
So let's go back to MochaCN.
So you had said that the price of Mocha and Mocha assets were of chief importance, but
then also you and Hazel were very interested in building culture.
Yeah, I think everyone like fun.
And we also have other friends who's also been active like Pop Hill.
I think she also knows Pop Hill is also being active, building Mochaverse.
What was that name you say?
Popular?
Popul, P-O-P-I-L is that name.
Popul, okay.
Got it.
Yeah.
He is also part of the APE governance.
Oh, the APE coin DAO government?
Governance?
Yes.
Okay.
So we're working closely.
Popul.
I see now.
Thank you, Zitha and NG.
Oh, Popul was also a UGH host.
Got it.
Yes.
Okay.
Great.
Cool.
I think that's pretty clear, Old Juan.
I think that makes it really clear what you all are, how you all communicate and what
you all are, what's important to you and some things that are coming.
Yeah.
I hope this will help people get in touch with the MochaCN community and also the sandbox
landowner Chinese school.
Yeah, Zitha, I'm sorry about that.
I don't know how to turn my bot.
My bot is just crushing G and Zitha.
They're posting links to help.
You know what, Zitha?
I'll post the link.
Hold on.
Let me just get that one.
So X.
There we go.
That one.
Cool.
Let's show it here.
There we go.
Popul.
Okay.
Populart.
Building board T. I don't know what board T is, but sounds interesting.
Cool.
Very cool.
Shout out to Popul.
All right.
Yeah.
If you have any community questions, please put them in chat.
We're nearing the end of my questions.
Something I wanted to expand on a bit, old one, is what's in the future for you?
What are some things that you're up to, things that you care about?
Yeah, I just wanted to ask a little bit more about what you're up to.
What are you up to with the sandbox and the Mochaverse ecosystem?
We are also thinking about what can we do with the sandbox now, because we did a lot
of experiments in the sandbox.
We had an advertising system in the sandbox, which is almost done there.
We had Prototype.
We had everything.
Maybe I think we will try to also submit in the sandbox style for people to maybe to use
that thing.
I'm sorry, I got lost a little bit there.
You wanted to submit for what to use in the sandbox style?
We had an advertising system.
Yeah.
You know you have the inactive frames in the sandbox.
We had a system which you can just upload a link and you can replace the pictures on
the NFT frames without enter GameMaker.
You know that we held, I don't know if you know that we held different events in a lot
of small effort in that trend station experience.
During the sandbox alpha season one, we held different events with different partners like
the NFT day and the Zouki community and that time artifact, blah, blah.
It was all using the advertising tour.
So it will make the experience more easy to collaborate with partners, something like
that.
That also helped the sandbox man owner to promote their experiences.
Got it.
Okay.
And Zita said it was Lulu ads?
Yeah, you can say that name.
It's still in prototype.
Got it.
Okay.
Well, that's interesting because there's an experience that I have been cooking up
that I haven't released because I'm waiting on the very specific mechanic to make itself
known where I would want to utilize an ad system.
And so maybe I could use your system and we can work together on that.
I don't know how exportable it is, but I would be very interested in seeing a sip on that.
Sure thing.
Cool.
Yeah.
So what's next for you is expanding into the sandbox style to see what it is that you could
contribute yourself to it.
Yeah, we have a lot of things in our, because we already done.
We even have another thing we call that payment code.
At that moment, we did a lot of models for buildings.
So we have different module which you can just play Lego.
You can just put different parts of the building together and you got brand new one.
You know, there's a castle in our experience in a lot of forever and that castle is made
by all that building parts.
So we have like hundreds of that assets there.
But with this assets meaning logic, the sandbox having now, it is hard to let people use them
because you need the cat and gems for a single asset.
So maybe the DAO can help people to help us to just give this thing for every landowners
to make use of.
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
I myself experienced that same issue when I was menteeing as well.
Yeah, I can show you some videos later.
Okay, great.
Yeah, I'd love that.
Yeah, and on the Mochaverse side, I think we just keep building the culture and I'm
doing a Lego project.
What was that?
What project?
Lego, like the toy.
Like Lego?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, a Lego project.
Yeah.
Cool.
So maybe that sounds like fun.
Yeah, it is.
I think I can put the link here.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I haven't logged into Twitch.
So I sent it to Zeta, maybe she can help.
I bet you though, my Streamlabs, I need to like, after this, I'm going to go and tone
it down for Streamlabs.
It's like, it's a little aggressive.
It's fine, it's fine.
So basically, I would dig into the, I will keep digging into the Sandbox ecosystem and
Mocha thing.
That's the more, that's the tool I'm into at the moment.
Okay.
Yeah, so Zeta just posted it, Streamlabs didn't knock it down, but then I posted it
right after you, Zeta.
So there is a link to one of your tweets and it looks like it looks, it almost looks like
Legos.
So, Blocktoy.
Yeah, it is.
Okay, got it.
All right, let's show that here on the stream.
So thank you, Zeta.
This is what it looks like.
Thank you, Zeta.
Okay, so you've got some animations, Lego Mocha, got it.
How about that?
And there's definitely something to do with Lego and that looks like a Mocha of some kind.
Yeah.
Cool.
Very cool.
So you are, you're busy.
You are working.
Yes, I am.
And that's why you won't find me on the, on the, on G's space.
Gotcha.
Okay, so your bandwidth, you have a lot of, a lot of things that you're doing.
Your bandwidth is pretty high.
Okay.
Thank you.
I appreciate you sharing that with us.
And there was one more question from, from G. If you have any questions, go ahead and
get them in because I'm coming toward the end.
So G also asked, Popple has a board art project and I believe it was called Board T. Are you
part of that?
Um, not really.
We're working together closely, but I'm not really a part of that project.
Got it.
Okay.
There you have it, G. Cool.
All right.
I'll scan it one more time.
I'm sorry, bot.
Zita is determined to win my bot's heart.
Cool.
All right.
I think we're good.
Are there, are there any closing remarks you'd like, anything special, any call outs, people
you'd like to give credit to?
Um, let's see.
Let's go back to our topic today.
Like the Sand Dog style.
I think the Sand Dog style and the Mocha style is, it's kind of new and young.
So, but is it, but it is good chance.
So that's just a drawing this together.
Let's explore together.
Yeah.
This is our chance to build together.
I'm certainly, so many of us in the Sandbox style are new in the Sand Fam to Dow.
So it's, it's safe to say that when this was originally announced, I don't know if you
followed exactly what happened right after it was announced.
There was a lot of skepticism, a lot of mistrust.
We weren't, we weren't planning for this to happen.
We didn't know it was going to happen.
So a lot of people saw the Dow and immediately, and a lot of Sand Fam were like, what is this
and where did it come from?
But as we see it evolve and grow, the more we see like now Magic Pallet has passed, something
that had 99% of the vote in favor of it, you, you, we can start to see how this is going
to evolve.
And I totally agree.
This is our chance to build together.
Yes, skepticism is healthy, but can't let it stop from us building something we want
to see out of the Sandbox.
This is it.
This is what we get.
It's our family.
But I'm glad, I'm glad you mentioned that.
And thank you for, for making it clear, you know, what, what it is that you're looking
for and, and how you want to participate in the Sandbox style.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you, Lancer.
Thank you for inviting me here.
We've got this great chance to talk to everyone.
Yeah, absolutely.
So that'll conclude our questions.
The last thing I wanted to hit, now that we are episode six, that one is done with, and
I wanted to, I want to do a deep dive next with Cyril, who is one of the Dow architects.
And I read through all of his corporate documents that they made available in one of the earlier
SIPs, like what, how they run the things that they do to, to run the Sandbox Foundation.
And I want to do a deep dive with him to ask him some questions about some things that
Seb had mentioned, and Cyril had mentioned that they eventually want to transfer the
governance of the Dow to the SanFam.
And so how does that relate to the way the, the Sandbox Foundation company documents are
reported?
So I'm really looking forward to that.
And G, you're in chat.
I want to get you in on a podcast with SanFam Cafe and, and Pickaxe Master and maybe BOTB,
some different places that Sandbox Dow congregate, you know, because this is a good place.
This is really interesting, especially now that we know where Old One, where you have
the WeChat with the Chinese Sandbox landowners.
What are all the places that people congregate in SanFam to talk about the Dow so that we
can build this stuff together and, and be healthy members toward one another.
So I'm really looking forward to those things.
And Old One, I so appreciate your time.
Thank you for, for coming out here and on such short notice even to telling us about
yourself and Mocha Cien.
Thank you.
Thanks everyone.
And G, thank you Zita and all and everyone here.