1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,600 Yep, we're on. What's up everybody. My name is Lancer. And today I'm joined by another 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,540 special guest in the same way yesterday we had Pepe from Sandrush. Today we have another 3 00:00:16,540 --> 00:00:22,040 guest who is another author of one of the draft sips. There's only two out there right 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:29,740 now. Pepe's magic palette. And now we're going to talk to the author of creators first. So 5 00:00:29,740 --> 00:00:36,600 scope of the talk today. This is our we're gonna be talking about our own SIP submissions 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,880 and how we we filled out the SIP template just like we did yesterday. Only this time 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:48,040 we're gonna talk about it from the perspective of zero. So this is our interaction with the 8 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:55,320 process. So if you'd like please go ahead and this is the Sandow podcast, by the way. 9 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,640 This is a podcast all about the sandbox Dow. It's exploring it since its announcement and 10 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,840 really flesh out what exactly we think about it, bringing on as many guests as I can, and 11 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:12,440 also exploring as many topics as I can. And looking forward to this one. Really, really 12 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,080 glad zero that you were able to make time for this. Thank you. And if you could please 13 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:23,640 introduce yourself and also pronounce your name so that everyone can understand. 14 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Yeah, my name is Kiro. I joined the sandbox community not that long ago. My background 15 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:43,400 is actually in media and games media in particular. I've been working for as long as I can remember, 16 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:50,600 which is like almost 20 years now in video game industry. And I will mostly was working 17 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:57,040 in the kind of PR marketing capacity, helping share stories about video games and how they 18 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:05,880 work and promote them and so on. And the last 10 years I've been working in a large media 19 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:14,920 company which I helped found and grow to like substantial numbers. And for the for the sip 20 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:25,840 on business entrepreneur. I am I mean, definitely very business oriented. I'm from humble beginnings 21 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,760 and not really whatever. Word was silver spoon or anything like that. Yeah. And you mind 22 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:39,840 saying everything from from Ukraine, myself, the whole family's from you. Still a lot of 23 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:48,480 people. prayers with the people in Ukraine, Ukraine. Yeah, correct. Yeah. So you've been 24 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,240 in with the sandbox or you've been involved in the sandbox for how many years would you 25 00:02:52,240 --> 00:03:01,680 say? Let's say a couple of years. Years. Okay. It all first started when we when I learned 26 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,440 about that sandbox and I saw all those wonderful ads that they were showing. And my biggest 27 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:14,280 draw to it was not actually the land not not kind of like the blockchain angle or the ICO. 28 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:20,960 It was mostly the visuals of the game itself. Gotcha. Because I really love voxels. And 29 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,840 it's been like a tremendous discovery that there are these games that are being made 30 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,760 with voxels and stuff because it like it, it used to be a very popular technology, like 31 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:37,200 an end of 90s beginning of the 2000s. And then it's kind of slowed down and the polygons 32 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:43,880 kind of took over. But now you just seen the way that it works right now. It's just amazing. 33 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:50,960 Great. Well, thank you. And you pronounce your name Kyril. Yeah, that's Kyril. Not to 34 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:57,600 be confused with Cyril, who is also in the sandbox community. He's he he's involved 35 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:06,320 with the sandbox DAO as well. Cyril Cyril and Seb helped founded the sandbox DAO. Kyril 36 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:13,840 is a one of the SIP creators first authors. So there's a difference in this. I talked. 37 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:20,080 Yeah, I did talk with Cyril as well. And just like fun fact, my English teacher back in 38 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:25,760 the day, she actually called me Cyril. Because she said that was like this was a more correct 39 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:32,560 way of kind of like, interpreting my name or adapting my name to the English speaking 40 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:40,400 countries. But the guys at the passport that they gave me the passport, they decided it 41 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,160 cited their own way. So I'm Kyril. I'm going to go one step further. And I'm going to put 42 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:56,000 the pronunciation underneath your name. That way, everyone knows. Here. Oh, that's not 43 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:05,400 right. That's not what I wanted. Duplicate it. I'm still learning how to do this exactly. 44 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:21,120 But we're stream labs is a wonderful tool. All right, here. Oh, there we go. Thank you, 45 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Cyril. Appreciate you being on. So we're going to get through this. I'm Lancer. I'm the host 46 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:34,540 of sand out podcast. And I've been a community member of the sand fam since midway through 47 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:41,880 season one. I am avatar owner, landowner, and published floor droppers. And we have 48 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Porter run and lava defense upcoming the next couple months. And I'm president of meta worlds. 49 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,880 I'm also also authors of two sips, which are still going through the back and forth with 50 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:58,600 the sandbox project management team before they end up in the place where heroes is right 51 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:05,200 now, which is the SIP draft. So what's that? Let's get into it. Disclaimer, Kyril and I 52 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:12,000 do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation. Again, Kyril is not zero or surreal. 53 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,880 Kyril is part of the sandbox foundation. Kyril is not he is a SIP author. So we speak for 54 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:23,320 ourselves as sand fam community members. And we are not your financial or legal advisors. 55 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Don't take anything we say as financial advice, please. You need a you need a CPA, you need 56 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:36,440 an investor is someone who is qualified and professional career in that not not us. All 57 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:44,920 right, interesting fact. We say SIP. What was that Kyril? I don't take financial advice 58 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:52,880 from me. SIP when we say SIP, it's a sandbox improvement proposal. Dow decentralized autonomous 59 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,640 organization. Each SIP requires a core to be eligible to pass that is 1% of the sandbox 60 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,760 supply, which is currently 30 million. Each SIP after it reaches quorum has to have a 61 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:08,940 simple majority which is more than 50%. If you own land, you have 4,500 voting power 62 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:14,680 per land. If you have one sand, you have one voting power per sand. There have been five 63 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:20,080 SIP submitted so far. Five have passed to or in draft. One we talked about yesterday 64 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,960 magic palette with Pepe from Sandrush. And the second one is creators first with Kyril. 65 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,320 And then I have two drafts submitted that I emailed the cut on the past week and waiting 66 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:42,440 review. Okay. The overall process SIP review per the forums step one, you initiate your 67 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,160 submission, you send it to the email, step two, project management team reviews from 68 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:54,080 the sandbox. Three moderator review for community review. That's the 14 day public comment that 69 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:01,360 Kyril's is going through right now. Then special counsel review. So it goes through a legal 70 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,440 redundancy ethical check by Seb and the rest of the council. Then it gets voted on by the 71 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:13,040 community just like the past five steps did. And then it gets implemented. If it passes. 72 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Okay, and there's a visual of what we just described. So we can go ahead and move through 73 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:25,520 this. And here we are starting a fresh today. So the SIP template is a pretty daunting thing. 74 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:31,640 It's got a lot of content in it that you need to address. And it's all about it's mainly 75 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,240 broken into two sections, the CLDR and the SIP details. But it first starts with the 76 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:43,080 title, you put in a snazzy little title, then you the council will recommend it, which we 77 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,680 learned that they remove from the final, the final thing. So you don't mess with that in 78 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:53,680 the template, then you choose your category, fill out all the TLDR details as to who, what, 79 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:59,680 when, why, SIP details, that's the specifics of your plan, voting options, any appendices 80 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:05,240 you may have, and then resubmission about how you're, you're going to work really hard 81 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:12,720 to submit things if it doesn't work out. Okay, so let's start first with a very, very 82 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:19,920 beginning part. Carol, on the SIP template, we have a little thing here at 10k character 83 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:26,800 limit. Did that influence yours much at all? 84 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:36,920 I wouldn't say so. Not really. Okay. Let's I'll tell you a story. So when I first got 85 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:45,240 this draft, I mean, they they share this kind of document, which is like an answering the 86 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,880 basic list of questions and all the information you had to supply. I was a little bit daunted. 87 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,440 I was like, No, this is like, huge, humongous, like, how am I going to do it, what I'm going 88 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:03,520 to do. So I had to kind of like, find some time to do it, and also create an environment 89 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:12,800 where I would be, I would not be distracted from the whole thing. And I went to our local 90 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:21,440 library to co opt out laptop with me and just kind of sat there for like a day. Now it's 91 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:27,160 just kind of filling out, finding the right words and putting it on paper to make sure 92 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:33,920 that, you know, all the ideas and everything, how kind of like, eventually gets the, you 93 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:43,160 know, gets the, the views and represented in this document, actually started. Okay, 94 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:49,080 gotcha. And then, so didn't really influence you too much. It didn't influence mine either. 95 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:56,520 I think mine's well below 10,000. Okay, next up is the title. So we have the title, the 96 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:02,000 council recommendation, which we know gets removed before it goes to the draft SIP. Because 97 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:09,400 they haven't, the council hasn't yet recommended anything. And then category. So your title, 98 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:16,720 you have creators first, creator first, creator focused media platform, ensuring sand dominance 99 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,680 in professional communities. How did you come up with that title? 100 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:29,040 I was thinking how to cram as much information as possible into a super short outlay. Right. 101 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:36,560 And then I don't really think it's a very good one. It is what it is. That was kind 102 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:41,640 of like the idea. Like I wanted to make something that actually that's at least interesting. 103 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:49,800 People would click on it. I think I really missed the mark was the word platform. Cause 104 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:55,560 I think when people think of platform, they start thinking about Facebook or something 105 00:11:55,560 --> 00:12:02,880 like that. My vision is not as audacious or emissions. It's a little bit smaller, but 106 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:11,680 maybe like further down the line, but it is what it is. And then there's that. I think 107 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:20,960 our main goal was we want to do something for creators. We want to do something that 108 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:29,760 creates value for the community in general, but also for a wider audience. I think because 109 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:35,920 we are all here talking about sandbox and sand, we're kind of like fixated into this 110 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:43,480 particular community. What I'm thinking is creative first is the media of all creators 111 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:50,720 out there. Anyone who's working on any other living, breathing, user generated, powered 112 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,720 platform. 113 00:12:52,720 --> 00:13:01,680 Gotcha. Okay. And so when you say platform, you're not really mean like a Facebook competitor, 114 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:10,000 more of a space. No, I'm more like a media company. Media company that publishes stories. 115 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Gotcha. So expand your successful media company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Okay. 116 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,920 And then which category? Oh, so for mine, I just put window sizing and resolution options 117 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,080 for game client, game maker, box editor and launcher. And then the second one was creative 118 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:38,080 roadmap for sandbox release. So pretty easy there. Yours is much more specific. Okay. 119 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:45,000 And then category, you chose what category? 120 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,000 I think it's a platform or something, right? 121 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:56,440 You chose platform. Got it. Yeah. And yesterday, Pepe said that he didn't, he chose platform, 122 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,560 I think as well. But he was confused about the explanation. Did you find the explanation 123 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:04,280 confusing when you did this? 124 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,200 I think it's very hard for these projects to fit within a particular description. Yeah, 125 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,800 you know what I mean? Yeah, like there are every every single project has something different. 126 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,920 And you want to differentiate you want to be different. I only put in this as a platform 127 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:30,320 just because it's more or less fit. But I did not think that this is like 100% accurate 128 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:37,200 description of what I was building. It was close enough. That's why I got you. So I didn't 129 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:44,120 really go into, you know, my philosophy is like you make a choice and you move forward. 130 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:50,000 You don't really think for hours about what just could have been different and so on. 131 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Yeah, just like not send it but like make a choice and just go with it. Like because 132 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:02,600 don't be analysis paralysis forever. Yeah, yeah. I chose for my window resizing. I chose 133 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:09,200 game content and for my creative roadmap, I chose platform as well. 134 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,760 All right. And the next one is so once you get through that beginning portion, then you 135 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,200 start getting into the first biggest portion, the TLDR, the what, why, how, when, where 136 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:27,800 and who. And so for your what, it says a media and talent platform that informs, educates, 137 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,400 builds a community of like-minded creators, you know, excuse me, united by common aim 138 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,000 to improve creator economy through decentralized incentives. That is a mouthful. What does 139 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:42,560 that boil down to? You said it wasn't a platform. Yeah, basically an expansion of your current 140 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,520 successful company. Yeah. It's kind of like, it's not even connected with the company 141 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:57,520 that I'm in over, the company that I was rather. It's a separate space that tells stories about 142 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:04,200 user generated economy. There are a couple of angles to it. Like we do cover the creative 143 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:11,200 angle and how to build something. But we also cover all the angles on how do you monetize 144 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:18,560 content. This is heavily curated. This is not a forum. This is not an open platform. 145 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:26,840 This is, if you think of it, it's sort of like Apple arcade compared to the Apple store. 146 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,640 There's an Apple store where, let's say, Steam has an analogy. You can just post anything 147 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,480 you want, any game you want, you pay a hundred bucks and you can publish. With Apple arcade, 148 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,760 you have to have a relationship, have to understand how everything works. You have to be chosen 149 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:49,000 and so on. We are building a media platform where we choose what stories to tell. We want 150 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:55,280 to highlight only the best and we want to create kind of like a certain level of trust 151 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:04,720 around this user generated economy that is currently blowing up. Got it. Okay. I'm looking 152 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:13,760 at Apple arcade now. I see. It's a curated experience where they can see here like Fruit 153 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,840 Ninja, Super Fruit Ninja is featured. 154 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:28,680 Yeah. I use the Apple arcade analogy more to highlight the duration aspect. I think 155 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:35,480 if you want to think of creative first in terms of analogies, I think a good analogy 156 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:41,240 would be something like New York Times. But New York Times is basically telling stories 157 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,600 from what happened around the world. We want to tell stories what happened around the world 158 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:52,240 of user generated economy. I think that would be a good analogy. 159 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,760 I would go to newyorktimes.com, but apparently you have to subscribe to even get to the front 160 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:06,040 door. There you go. Click here. Okay. Yeah. Got it. Thank you. Okay. And then my what 161 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:11,320 for Windows resizing was we request that Sandbox and development team prioritize updating the 162 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,960 graphics settings to allow for Windows resizing and resolution options for the Game Maker, 163 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:22,800 VoxEdit, Sandbox Launcher, and Sandbox GameCline. Sandbox. Yeah. So just like normal everyday 164 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:29,680 thing where you can Windows resize and then the resolution here, you can choose your resolutions. 165 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,520 But you can't really do that for in-game client for anything above 1920 by 1080. And you can't 166 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:41,920 do it at all for VoxEdit or Game Maker or the Launcher. And then for my second sip for 167 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,240 creating a roadmap, my what is to create an easily accessible development roadmap for 168 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:54,560 San Fam that shows a schedule of GameCline, VoxEdit, Sandbox Launcher, Game Maker, and 169 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,640 the website. And then I have different ways of how to do that. But there's an example 170 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,960 of what that roadmap can look like. Something that's easy to reference and that helps studios 171 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:12,840 like mine to arrange my experiences in a way that takes advantage of the functionalities 172 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,960 that are being released versus guessing on all the experiences and what they're going 173 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:27,440 to be useful. Okay. And then the why. The why is all about why should the sandbox DAO 174 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,920 do this? And you said to master the minds of the creative community, you need something 175 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,960 more impactful than financial incentive. Creator first builds one of the most important elements 176 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:43,240 currently absent in the market, trust, and a new way of pursuing creative endeavors supported 177 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,680 by clear and transparent token and reliable financial technology. So then you have your 178 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:55,480 principles after that. So what were you aiming for here in the why? 179 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,960 From my perspective, why is basically you're describing the market and where the pain point 180 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:13,320 is, and how do you alleviate this pain? I see the current market, especially in a user-generated 181 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:23,560 economy, is something that is heavily skewed towards the benefit of platforms. Roblox, 182 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:32,280 Facebook, YouTube, Steam, whatever else is out there. Creators are there. They just kind 183 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:38,040 of like they go through the meat grinder without any opportunity to really influence. And this 184 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:44,280 is why I think DAO is so different and why it is so important to have these conversations. 185 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,440 Because I don't know if you follow that much the competitors, you probably shouldn't, but 186 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:55,640 maybe you should. There was a huge scandal around Roblox where they changed their payouts. 187 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:02,760 They were doing the payouts one way, and then suddenly they introduced some socialism and 188 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,960 everybody was being paid out the same amount, which was huge for people who were really 189 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:14,140 involved in this economy, like making a living there. And I think this is something that 190 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:18,480 we want to change, and this is the priority and this is the first principle. We want to 191 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:26,800 make sure that there is a space that is heavily skewed towards the creators. We want to support 192 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:32,480 the creators. We want to fight for whatever is beneficial for them. We want to give them 193 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,960 the opportunity and the knowledge to know how to sell their stuff, distribute their 194 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:47,800 stuff, where to go, what to do, how to do it and so on. Believe me, I know maybe thousands 195 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:56,600 of creators from all over, from big studios and small, from indies to established companies. 196 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:04,800 You're all struggling with this. There is not a space out there where you can go and 197 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:13,040 say, hey, you guys are on my side. You guys are on my side. It's not Facebook, it's not 198 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:20,880 meta, it's not Apple or anything like that. It's like I am number one. I'll ask you the 199 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:27,640 question like who created the characters for Frozen franchise? 200 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,440 Don't know. 201 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:39,440 Or Lilliland Stitch or something like that. And Disney is like a billion, gajillion dollar 202 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:46,960 company that's making millions of dollars just from the parks alone. Forget everything 203 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:54,980 else. I just think that this is incredibly unfair. This is super unfair and this is something 204 00:22:54,980 --> 00:23:04,720 that this SIP is here to try to challenge the way that things are right now. And this 205 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:12,580 kind of brings me to the second principle, which is security and inclusivity. I'm trying 206 00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:20,640 to build a media platform. And we want to be the filter that defines security. Sometimes 207 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:27,240 there will be no shady stuff. There will be no cash grab or anything like that. We want 208 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:34,100 to build a space where you can go, maybe tell about your story, maybe hear about the story 209 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:38,960 of other creators out there, how they are building their businesses, how they're building 210 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,840 their whatever the creative endeavor there is. Maybe it's a home, maybe it's an animation, 211 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,760 maybe it's a game, maybe it's some kind of experience or whatever. We want to be something 212 00:23:50,760 --> 00:24:00,520 that's safe, secure and heavily curated. And last but not least is we want to help great 213 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:09,960 creators. Our idea is that if you have enough stories of how people are doing in this business, 214 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:17,080 sharing not only the good stuff, but also sharing their challenges, sharing the fights 215 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:27,600 they have to fight every day, you will eventually find a way to unite people or for small teams 216 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,440 to come up together and working together with the sandbox community and trying to build 217 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,440 something out of there. This is like the why. 218 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:43,960 So you want to you want to message or you want to amplify the presence of the the experience 219 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,600 makers, the game makers. 220 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:56,880 Yeah, and I encourage you to think bigger outside of just the idea of the sandbox. I 221 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:05,400 think about it as any game creators out there. There are thousands of games right now. There 222 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:11,560 are thousands of games being published. I worked with game publishers. They get they 223 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:20,240 get 100 submissions per month. Some of them getting 100 submissions of video game projects 224 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:29,960 per day. And in this environment, with this this kind of like, you know, output. Of course, 225 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,760 they don't want to give you a best deal. They don't want to give you the best deal. They 226 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,400 want to give you like whatever deal they want to get the most from themselves while you're 227 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:47,600 going to do all the work. And our goal is to change that. We want to bring an opportunity 228 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,200 for developers to get 229 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,800 get their money back in a way, you know, to get some power to what they're doing. And 230 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,280 we are here to educate about that. 231 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:08,960 Makes sense. Okay, the next section was how we have about 30 minutes left if we want to 232 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:15,080 make it within the hour. How team and budget. So you said the first phase of the project 233 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,480 entails building the platform within three months, and then three months of operating 234 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:29,760 it after that. And execute this phase, you need about you need 385,000 sand. 235 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840 Did I capture that right? 236 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,640 Yeah, I think that's what's on the forums. 237 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,400 So you build it. And then what is operating it for three months mean? Oh, that's operating 238 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040 expenses for months. I see. Okay. 239 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,960 Yeah, yeah, got it. Yeah, it's a media platform. It has in order for it to run, you need to 240 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,320 get started, right? So you need to have the team there for them to publish stories, or 241 00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,680 stories to do the interviews to publish news. No, that's kind of like operational stuff. 242 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:07,720 That's kind of like where the money is required. 243 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Okay. And then the when you expect if it were funded, and we're about hit the 14 day comments. 244 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,920 So let's just say next week, another week after because it'd be 14 days after that. 245 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Yeah, development would be planned to last three months and then product platform launch 246 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:39,200 expected beginning of quarter four. So October. So you'd launch it by October. Okay. 247 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,840 Yeah, yeah. 248 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,720 And then who? I mean, 249 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,840 go ahead, go ahead. 250 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:53,360 No, I just wanted to say like, as an any project manager, it's always a stretch. 251 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,960 Yeah, it's always difficult to like delays and all those. 252 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,640 Yeah, but the plan is that Yeah, that is true. 253 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,160 Yeah, that makes sense. And here's the part that threw me by the way, where I thought 254 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:15,640 your name was surreal. Serial I mean, and here I would pronounce this surreal. But I 255 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:23,480 really listen to Ukrainian. So that's how that's how I would pronounce that. And that's 256 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,680 where I kind of got you mixed up with surreal from sandboxed out. 257 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,680 Yes. Yeah. 258 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:37,040 So it was a great guy and had a couple of holes with him. He has a he has a very nice 259 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,680 audio system at home. 260 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,480 Nice. That's cool. 261 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:48,880 Yeah, he has like a nice high five stuff. I don't really know about the music, but he 262 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:55,240 does have very nice speakers over in the background. So that's cool. That's what I like at my eye 263 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,280 of it. Yeah, I really enjoyed that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the whole basically 264 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:07,100 I gave kind of like speeds in tens up because my family is back home. So I don't I won't 265 00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:13,520 have much time. But I just kind of gave my background highlighted the stuff that I've 266 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:23,320 been working on my experience. I do come from corporate I worked in large companies was 267 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:32,560 very large. Oh, you know, my team and my previous job was about 30 people in total. I kind 268 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:41,360 of like gave my background so on and I'm only putting my background there to, I guess, give 269 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,880 a little bit more confidence to the Yeah, you know, the holders and the exact same thing. 270 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,440 I put my background and all that like, you know, that we're you're you're not just coming 271 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,440 from. 272 00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,320 We're real people with a real offering. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So you went to Harvard 273 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800 and Stanford. 274 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:10,880 They were executive programs, I wouldn't be able to manage paying both of those schools 275 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:18,560 off. Never, I think I got a I had a wonderful experience at Stanford. And for they did a 276 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:25,560 small program that was during the COVID times. And the program was called emergency mo. And 277 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:31,120 it's just like a wonderful place where you meet a bunch of like minded people and you 278 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:38,280 listen to some interesting conversations from, you know, people at Stanford, like how they 279 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:46,720 look at marketing, what's the next thing and and so on. Gotcha. And I did a more extensive 280 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,200 program at Harvard Business School, which is like an experience of its own. And then 281 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,400 I was chatted. 282 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,120 I did like three programs there, by the way, was it was amazing. Like maybe we can get 283 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,360 together some other time and could share some of those war stories. It was pretty eye opening. 284 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,160 I really liked it. 285 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,840 Yeah, then that's good. That'd be good. So then ever since then you've been doing game 286 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:20,920 development media. Cool. Yeah. All right. Next up, after you clear the TLDR, you now 287 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,360 have the SIPP details, this is starting to get into an advanced explanation of your plan. 288 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:33,880 And for you, you kind of go over the who and the what again, where you explain how this 289 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:41,280 is all about fighting for eyeballs and amplifying, pushing out all the good things that sandbox 290 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:48,280 experience and game makers and artists are doing. So you want to amplify their presence 291 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,840 so that more people see what sandbox is doing. 292 00:31:52,840 --> 00:32:01,440 Exactly. I just think this is a problem with a lot of these community driven projects, 293 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,960 where community is very defensive of what they have. But at the same time, you don't 294 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:14,440 really get a lot of exposure outside of the community. And my goal is just to bring the 295 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:22,880 exposure to highlight the cool stuff. And you're there. Right. And in this section, 296 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:31,000 I kind of just go over the details to the risk analysis, the implementation plan. It's 297 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:39,120 a shorter version. So you know, I think our original one was much more developed. It was 298 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:46,280 like a little bit more. But it's kind of like the general understanding of how we're going 299 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,680 to get to where we're going. 300 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,440 Okay. And then after that, there's a description, which is a detailed explanation of what the 301 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,560 SIPP aims to achieve. And for you, you want to create a web based community platform for 302 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,360 professional creators that helps inform, educate and help them monetize. So there's also a 303 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,520 monetization aspect of this. 304 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:16,480 Yeah, I think the monetization aspect, I kind of touched a little bit. The first part is 305 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:23,960 I want to explain to them how they can monetize. Like if you look at whatever other surveys 306 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,920 being done, this field, especially around games, kind of like my field, majority of 307 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,200 developers, they just want to go on Steam, or use Apple or something like that and just 308 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:43,120 sell their games that way. This is like the, this is the way if you want to quote Mandalorian 309 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:51,480 a little bit. But for people who are kind of like in the weeds that they don't really 310 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,000 see the forest, you know, I want to explain to them that there are other options. You 311 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:05,200 can do A, you can do B, you can do C, you can engage with sandbox, you can self publish 312 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,520 a book or Amazon and so on. 313 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,280 What's an example of something they can do? 314 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,320 That's what I'm trying to say. Let's say you're building an experience, right? Or you're building 315 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:25,320 a game. And the question that you will get is, how am I going to sell it? And majority 316 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:32,120 of developers didn't really even know how. What they want to do is they want to they 317 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:40,200 want to go somewhere, somebody take care of it. Because, surprisingly enough, developers 318 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:47,400 don't really care about the business part that much. And what ends up happening is that 319 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:56,200 they're going to publisher and a publisher takes 30% cut, times much bigger cut of the 320 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,000 all the potential profits. And they're stuck with this deal forever. Then this is like 321 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,280 a vicious cycle that keeps repeating and so on. What I want to tell them is that there 322 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,560 are these options as Dow, for example, where if you have an interesting project, and you 323 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:21,240 can build it with sandbox, you can get, you know, community on board, work with the founders 324 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:31,200 and find a way to do this in a much more interesting, open, transparent and fair manner. I think 325 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,760 this is like something that is completely missing from today's market. And there are 326 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:43,120 no spaces where you can just go and read about it. Gotcha. And that's kind of like what we're 327 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,640 trying to do. Okay, that makes sense. So rationale and benefits next. And that is to explain 328 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:56,200 why this sip is necessary or beneficial to the sandbox Dow. And what about the ecosystem 329 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,560 does it bring value to? And for you, it said the project builds trust increases engagement 330 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,520 fatales facilitates and the narrative around the sand and the sandbox. So it helps if I 331 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:16,280 could connect it to what sub says, it helps the sandbox in its goal to, to be the cultural 332 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,760 capital of the metaverse. And then for the user, it amplifies their message in spaces 333 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960 where they would lead wouldn't normally have access to or wouldn't think to engage in. 334 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Absolutely. I 100% just kind of like trying to engage a broader audience, bring more awareness, 335 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:44,640 and eventually create kind of like unbreakable moat around sandbox, it is going to differentiate 336 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:51,120 it from all the other competitors out there. And to be clear, Carol, you're successful 337 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,240 already in the media industry. So you're doing this. But for other things, and now you want 338 00:36:55,240 --> 00:37:06,400 to apply that expertise. Hi. Yeah, yeah. Now my daughter is famous. That's all right. I 339 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,200 can blur that out later on if if if you'd prefer. Yeah, that would be better. Thank 340 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,880 you. You got this is exactly right. Yeah, I mean, I've been doing my previous project 341 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:27,160 for 10 years, with incredible numbers. Very well respected in the community. And this 342 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:35,520 is just kind of like the next project I want to build. Is the help of the community with 343 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:44,080 the help of sandbox. No problem. Cool. Just making a note to do the blurring later. We 344 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:50,480 don't forget. All right, cool. Next one up is the rationale and benefit which we just 345 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,560 went nevermind the risk analysis, identify any potential risks or downsides. And for 346 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,280 you, you said risk or assess is low. The most significant is one competition content risk, 347 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,360 which is the potential emergence of competing platforms, such as Roblox or fortnight, and 348 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,460 offering similar or same attractive services of which Roblox already does. They have quite 349 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:21,480 a big up similar to to Apple Arcade in New York Times, where they have a curated thing. 350 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,000 I don't know much about fortnight and how they do their stuff. Okay, so basically competition, 351 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,640 other other things crowding the space. Yeah. Which is like the risk number one for any 352 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:40,360 kind of Yeah, and not really super original. So now we zoom back out, we're done with those 353 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:47,800 portions of the SIP details. We're jetting right along. And next we get into the next 354 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,840 portion of the SIP details, which is the implementation plan, the steps or phases and the realistic 355 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:59,480 timeline for implementation with key milestones and deadlines. And you there it is right there. 356 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:07,400 So the first phase you're going to actually you have a rolling list of milestones, everything 357 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:14,480 from the content management system to the user interface, team forming and training, 358 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,720 content policy forming, okay, then publication channels and then platform launch. 359 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:27,720 Yeah, to kind of like to make it very simple. Parts it first part is like the development 360 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:34,260 itself. The second part is building the content and the pipeline content production. These 361 00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:43,760 are like the two big pieces that are kind of like outlined here and the graphs and explanations 362 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:53,320 and so on. Now that makes sense. All right. And then next we have resources require we 363 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,480 did that metrics for success. Oh, no, we did skip. So resources required the first phase 364 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:09,840 three months to execute that is going to be 385,000 sand or roughly $154,000. I assume 365 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,800 that was at 33 cents on the dollar for sand or somewhere about during this period, probably 366 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:23,520 does not yield revenue. Okay. So that first platform building phase is 178 sand. And then 367 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:33,280 the platform operating expenses for three months, that would be 206,000 sand. Okay, 368 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,920 got it. Got it. 369 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,380 So quickly breaking down the costs and everything. I think it makes it clear what's being paid 370 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:44,880 for here. 371 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:53,240 Yeah, we share this with Cyril as well on his team and give a very, very detailed breakdown 372 00:40:53,240 --> 00:41:01,560 of the all the things involved and worked tirelessly with them, you know, went through 373 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:07,520 every number or like date. So it's been a little bit of a journey. A lot of research 374 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,000 in that cost estimate. 375 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:16,400 Yeah, yeah. But like like you said, I had experience with that before. So we have a 376 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,520 team and we have people who can capable of doing that. 377 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,920 All right, next is metrics for success. How do we know that we've made an impact define 378 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:33,840 how the success of the proposal will be measured? And for you, you put audience and viewers, 379 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:39,600 active creators, so I'm assuming that means the number of viewers, the number of creators 380 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,680 on your platform. Yeah, yeah. How many views your top blog has. So so they'll all have 381 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,480 blogs is what I'm gathering from this. 382 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,360 They're going to be not really blogs, but they're going to be like articles or publications 383 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:01,280 about them. Okay, so we're just going to measure. Okay, exactly. Got it. Okay. So that's where 384 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,280 you can share the record the number of reactions, shares and comments. The red percentage of 385 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,520 a blog. Very nice. I'm glad you thought of that. That's good. What an experienced media 386 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:19,880 person would have I assume. How much? How what is your penetration your penetration? 387 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,880 Really look like? 388 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,560 Okay, cool. Like a life and blood of this kind of business. Yeah. 389 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,440 And then next up, we have the voting options, which from yesterday, I thought you could 390 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,520 choose. But turns out it's all fixed at 14 days rather than where it says seven, you 391 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,360 abide by that. So yes, no stain for 14 days. 392 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:50,040 Part, I am completely relying on the art management. I don't really know how it works. 393 00:42:50,040 --> 00:43:00,040 And then the last two sections of the details is the appendix, the appendix appendices, 394 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,120 which will have contact information, alternatives, amendments, additional resources, and then 395 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:12,400 a little blur about resubmission. So for you, you put creative first platform encompasses 396 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:19,100 a collaborative portal. So there's a backend to it where people can can engage to send 397 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:29,120 powered monetization tools. What does to sand mean? Oh, there will be two sand powered monetization 398 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:35,600 tool paid subscription and user support. Okay, got it. 399 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,600 Events focused on content creation, indie game development. The second third steps are 400 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,160 described here. So your main goals are building an implementation of a mechanism that facilitates 401 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:51,760 incentivization of valuable professional info sharing. And then you have a development of 402 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:58,480 a robust sourcing mechanism that builds a flow of new and exciting projects. Okay, so 403 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,560 these will be sips that you want to do after the fact. So you'll have to do a sip for yeah, 404 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:09,400 that's like, yeah, yeah. First, you launch, and then you kind of like to build the next 405 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,920 two. Yeah. Alright, that makes sense. And then you'd 406 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:20,680 also have to do a sip right to to continue beyond the six months. Yeah. Okay. And then 407 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,960 he has a nice, nice page. Actually, let's switch this one up to so you can see so everyone 408 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:33,760 can see on the big screen. Take a look at your schedule, or your flowchart, or your 409 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:44,720 milestone flowchart. So you have you have a the content management design, then you 410 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:51,800 have your team and content policy, and then you have your MVP launch, okay. And then platform 411 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:58,360 tools, Dow leads generation to so over a two year period, you want to do the rest of these 412 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:06,200 here and the development? That means that that's the hope. Yeah. That's the hope. Okay, 413 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:12,520 so more sips would follow that would enable that. Okay. Yeah. Okay, makes sense. And then 414 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,800 we go into a larger portion. Metrics for success. Oh, you, you copy and paste a lot more stuff 415 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:29,440 down here. Okay, so and more details for how you're going to to look at success. Audience 416 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:38,520 active creators, new, unique active wallets, hot leads, what is a hot lead? People coming 417 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:45,200 to Dow, the this interesting project. Gotcha. Okay. And then down below you have the content 418 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:56,280 information. hero Tokarev. Yes. All right, is email and its phone number. And alternative 419 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,940 path for investment through VCs and banks are not pursued due to time constraints. Cool. 420 00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:06,160 And lack of centralized financial goal that solidifies alignment between the partners, 421 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,360 right? Because everyone who's investing has their own interest for investing. And then 422 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:18,680 if the exactly exactly like, then yeah, then we know what they're in it for. That's why 423 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:25,640 this system is so beautiful. That's why I like the this approach, the centralized approach. 424 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,120 Then there's a vision document and there's a creator for financial model. By the way, 425 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,720 when I click that it says I have to ask for access. So that's not publicly viewable, by 426 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:43,120 the way. And looks like you've had a very interesting reaction so far. It was 13 days 427 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:50,960 ago. 18 people replied 200 people have looked at it already. 28 likes. So awesome, man. 428 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:57,960 Awesome. Awesome going on there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love it. There's like a discussion and 429 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:05,120 debate and emulating. Yeah, you know, like, at least people are not. So that's great. 430 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:12,400 Yeah. So now after that you submitted it via the to the sip at sandbox.com email. How long 431 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,800 did the back and forth go between you and and their team? Before it reached the it's 432 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:25,400 been a while, man. It's been a while. I think it's like a couple of months at least. Wow. 433 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:35,360 It was like instantaneous. A couple of months. Didn't we only know about the Dow like a month 434 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:43,920 ago? I've been working on that even before that, when it was still in development. Did 435 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,600 you know that the Dow was that? Or was it just lucky? No, it was just like I was I was 436 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:56,240 working on it as a pitch. And then when I learned about the you can pitch it to the 437 00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:02,760 community, I thought, okay, I'll just adapt it to this format. That's why I got it. Awesome, 438 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:09,880 man. And then so your public comment closes in two days. So on Wednesday, and then it's 439 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,160 on to review by the special counsel and then it's on to vote. So everyone, please take 440 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,360 a look right now. Now is the best time to get your your comments and because Carol and 441 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:29,760 his team can make adjustments per your per your comments. So you can see how many people 442 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:38,880 your Dan Koy von fronten is a lot a lot of good stuff. 443 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:48,600 And then Nano metaverse. So all right, shout out to metaverse. So awesome. And then others 444 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:54,120 that I haven't I looked at the past couple days, I will also put in my response as well 445 00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:02,280 and can participate just like everyone else will. Cool, man. That's awesome to see. So 446 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:07,600 Carol, do you have any questions or anything you'd like to say? Before we wrap up? No, 447 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:14,920 not really. I mean, my personal thank you so much for inviting me. It was fun to chat. 448 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:21,280 Everyone else who left comments or participate or just was expressed interest. Thank you 449 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:28,200 so much for me. It's like very much an experiment just as for you. I just love them, you know, 450 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,280 engage with the community and I hope we can work together in the future. There's something 451 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,840 around it. But if not, it's still has been a wonderful experience. I'm glad to have these 452 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:46,560 conversations and I hope to continue them in the future. Thank you, Carol. And if there's 453 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,960 anyone in the the community who has any questions, please post them now. I'll wait a few seconds, 454 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:59,480 about 30 seconds. And then if we don't see anything, we will move on to closing and wrapping 455 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:07,800 this up. While we're waiting, future episodes. So creators first, and actually just creator 456 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:15,180 first is no posture. Yes, my mistake. Creator first with Carol and his team. Did your team 457 00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:21,760 have a name? What's the team name? No, no name, no name, the same as a couple Carol 458 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:29,920 and his team. All right. And then tomorrow we have Community Reactions part two, with 459 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,320 crafter and Joseph. Looking forward to that one. And then after that, or before that, 460 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:41,080 I'm going to be doing a deep inspection of the founding documents for the Sandow. So 461 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,400 I'll be reading over all the articles and corporation and that sort of stuff. I have 462 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,700 a contract negotiation and business background. So I enjoy looking at that sort of things. 463 00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:55,680 And so I'll be streaming that going over my thoughts as I read through all of it. And 464 00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:01,800 after that, we have a pretty big, just thing after thing after thing, I have like 17 episodes 465 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:10,640 planned. And, and Carol, I really appreciate your time. I am, I was really surprised. Now 466 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,760 that I understand you and serial are two different people. And everyone else should understand 467 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,640 there are two different people. Carol is a very successful, well experienced media person 468 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:29,080 who wants to expand his current media business to encompass amplifying the voices of the 469 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:35,720 sandbox game maker, studio creator and artist. So a you 24k if you're watching this when 470 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:41,840 you talked yesterday, a couple days ago about in San Can Can Cafe, how you wanted that voice. 471 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:47,400 And Carol, his proposal will seek to do that where you can submit articles and stuff like 472 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,480 that where you talk about your gears and just singling out a you there because I heard him 473 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,920 talk about the other day. Shout out to a you 24k and also to the rest of the community. 474 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:03,480 Thank you for your time. I'm going to probably continue streaming after this to to to work 475 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:10,600 on some stuff for the sandbox down. But Carol, thank you. Thank you. This was great. 476 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:16,520 Everyone. Everyone hope you have a wonderful day and we're going to go ahead and outro.