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Yes. And you know, that's, that's sort of like the double edge of the 30 series that

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kind of got to me after a while was the fact that as a police officer, I know that the

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person that committed this crime by killing a cop, it wasn't really his fault. But yeah,

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he has to face now the court system and be tried as a murder and the killer and be sentenced

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to life or death or whatever they're they'd sentence to life because Michigan doesn't

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have a death penalty. And it's sometimes hard to stomach because you're like, man, that

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guy, you know, sometimes you hear people's defense that was possessed by the devil and

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you're like, I'll push it. But to really see it and you kind of go, man, now he has to

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face the music for what he did. It's kind of like, because no one's gonna believe, no

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one's gonna believe. Yeah. And then you can't sit there. And as much as though hide it,

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everybody knows about it. Prosecutor, chief of police, all the higher ups, they know what's

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happening, but it's time to let it play out. And they're going to let it play out. And

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like, I mean, you just can't bring into court of law that yeah, we just did an extra system.

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He was possessed by a demon, but to that, you know, this is just sort of roll with.

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So that's that's never become public knowledge, basically.

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Not until now.

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We're dead.

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So during the extra system was there a name that came out of this demon or entity.

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So when they perform this extra system, in order to write to win the right of ritual,

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they have to confess to who they are. And people don't understand that although they're

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demons and devils, they're very, very loyal to God still.

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So we ever hear a police say by the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to tell me your

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name. It streaks because as much as they hate Jesus Christ and God himself, they're still

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loyal to him. And they will save a name. I know with the name that this particular demon,

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his name was, its name was, I call it it, but I don't say it because if you say it and

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you open it and then you invite him. And you know, I'm sure these people are going to research

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this and all that. There's a 200 fallen angels that walk the earth. And there's probably

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the most powerful exorcist demons that you'll ever run into in life. And those will hurt

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you and kill you and literally kill you. And then there's thousands of minions that are

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not as powerful as them. Out of those 200, one has been caught. There's still 199 of

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To this day or was this back in 1995?

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No, to this day. There's still 199 of them running around and have not been caught. It's

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all the other lower tier demons that possess people, but they possess them when they're

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at their weakest moment, either drug infused, suicidal, extremely depressed. It's really

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low points. They enter them. What I was told is the demons of the 199 other ones, they don't

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need your permission. If they want you, they're going to take you. That's what's sort of scary.

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So let's go back to our beginning point of your recalling the first, your first suspect,

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your first arrest, I guess, of this, well, not your first arrest, but your first arrest

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of this nature. So when you got the guy that was running, jumped on from a tree, and by

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the time you were doing your filing your police report, you said from your peripheral, you

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saw two guys in suits. You didn't know where they were. Did they identify themselves, anybody,

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or did they walk in and people immediately knew who they were? At this point, you were

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not oblivious to that, to the special unit yet, but did you know or did the higher ups,

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did your commanding officer know already what was going on?

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When they came in, I sort of saw it from my peripheral, and I know that they didn't. I'm

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pretty sure they're, I do recall phones, the phone ringing, and my lieutenant answering

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it. And then what the conversation was, I'm not privy to, but I do know that there was

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some sort of notification made prior to me turning in that report prior to joining 30

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series. I remember seeing them because I was like, oh, who's them? They're undercover.

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Did you ever see these guys again?

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Yeah, I would see them. I'd see them and I eventually got a chance to work with them.

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But I do recall seeing two people from that 30 series unit with two sort of MIB guys that

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came in.

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You know, if there are other cities out there with special paranormal units like yours?

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I know that there's some people that I worked with with 30 series. They're now in Miami,

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LA. So it's easy to assume that there is a division here that people just don't know

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about yet or is not, not privy to or have come out because they're, it's a really cloaking

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dagger. They've, if you see some documentaries about Detroit, you'll see them every once

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in a while. You'll see them. You're like, I wonder who those people are. It's 30 series,

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you know? And I think we sort of lost the war. And I mean by that is because Satanism

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has gotten so big in Detroit. And I just, I just, I can't even imagine what the battle

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is like because I'd just been out of it for 12 years now.

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So how long was your, how long were you in this unit for? How long did you serve?

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I was a cop for 13 years in Detroit. Out of that 13 years, the first four years it was

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patrol the Rassau Special Enhance. So I was in it for a long time.

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So in that time, you saw a lot of things that, you know, I guess are hard to explain or.

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Yes. I've seen the worst of the worst and some were drug infused and were like, okay,

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not it.

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Why Detroit at that time? I guess not why, why were you in Detroit, but you know, like

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why was this task force or special unit made in Detroit specifically? You said it started

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in Detroit though, right?

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It definitely started in Detroit. The Pope. The gates, some of the limousines are waiting

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for the Pope to come out. The Pope will be like, believe is right underneath the canopy.

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And he should be, should be departing. Sure, there's the Pope will be there's a good shot

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of the Pope will be a jimba. This is one of a couple of people. I guess two pop up bills

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that are here in the Detroit area today.

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John visited Ham Trimac in Detroit in 1987. And during this day in Detroit, and it was

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related to me in his words, he saw a lot of demons in the crowd and he knew that there

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was some sort of outbreak that was happening in Detroit. And if you think about it, like

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I said, if you know Detroit, it's very poverty sticking. I could see why would Polly sort

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of hatch there because people are going to do anything they can to try to make it. Sacrificing

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kids from Canada and it happened. It happens. Polly's still happening. You have a lot of

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cultures in Detroit, whether they're Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban, Jamaican, Haitian,

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they all have their voodoo beliefs and in a conjure up shit, you know, to sell drugs

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or protection from the police. But when that while they're doing that, they're opening

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a door that they don't close. And then next, you know, that door becomes open and all these

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things start happening. And then they roam the earth looking for victims and there's

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nothing but victims in Detroit because it was during that time of 95, 96, 97, 98, up

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to 2000. I mean, crack ruled everything. And so the many you all these people are on crack

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and then became heroin. There you go. You have an empty vessel.

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So did the unit get formed after Pope John Paul visited Detroit? Or was this always something

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that was out there before and really didn't, you know, gain traction until after he got

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there and then the Vatican got involved?

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From what I've been told, it started after he left. And that's how the big four became

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and that's what they were called big four, because four people rode in one police car.

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And so can you tell us about the big four?

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Big four, they're called the big four. Dirty serious has gone through a lot of name changes.

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Like I said, they're called the big four. People knew him as a big four and they drove

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around on Mark police car for people and they basically handled the highest crimes plus

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the supernatural shit without the technology that we have now. I mean, 95 all the way to

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about 2003 is when I, when I tapped out, uh, technologies just started to grow. You know,

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we had old CAD systems. We didn't have Macintosh computers like they do now or we didn't have

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any of the technology. Um, so a lot of our, uh, weapons were honestly brutal. You know,

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it was a flashbangs, percussion grenades, course guns, um, gas bombs. Um, they had, um,

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reengineered this, um, this hand grenade almost. And what I mean is called a spinner and you

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would literally pull the pen like a grenade and you would launch it in the room and it

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would spin, but they would have pellets of holy water and it would just pellet everything.

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And then they would do that before they enter the room because when holy water hits the

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unholy, it, it growls or goes, uh, and you go, Oh, he's over here. So you'll sometimes

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it before you enter a room, you kind of go and wait and you hear it go. Oh, he ain't

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in there. And then you go in there and clear the room and you clear the room just like

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that because you never wanted to enter a room because you don't know where that word that

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and they know yet you're coming, you know, because there's been times where you've entered

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the room and he's a person upside down in the ceiling and most people look in not always

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up and they say, you know, like, Oh shit. Now you're caught by surprise, which is not

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a good situation because you're the one bringing the weapons to a, to an unholy fight.

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Other kinds of weapons did, you know, did your unit have to fight in this, this unholy

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war?

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We had, um, spinners which carried holy water. We had, of course, our guns or handguns and

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shotgun rifle and AR 15s and MP fives. Um, and that's the thing, but normal bullets didn't

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work on these entities. If you shot in the head, you'd kill it, but then you're also

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killing a person. That's correct. Right. So you, is it, you try not to do that like specifically.

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We would discharge our firearm. It wasn't to wound. I mean, we, we, if we had to shoot,

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then yeah, we would go for the head.

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But you would point you want to, you know, apprehend this person and take them or the

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suspect and take them into custody so that they can be saved. Or, you know, once that

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is it, once you unload your weapon, is, do you know at this point it's there, there's

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no going, you know, there's no saving this person.

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Um, there's some times that we had to use fatal force and it would normally result in

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immediate termination of the suspect. If he was harming somebody and you know, we've ran

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into these things where we know what's that, that it is in it and he would hold a baby

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or his wife or hold somebody that he was in a kill to just poke at us. And if we had to

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shot, we'd take it because we didn't want to risk someone getting hurt. And you know,

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I remember, um, this guy, uh, doing that to a baby and I'm like, well, there's no saving

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that guy. I'm not going to let the baby die. I don't care. And it's, you know, and you

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know, we had to take fatal force and that's the thing about 30 series is that when we

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did take fatal force, things sort of went away. You know what I mean? Like right now

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you get a police shooting and it's on the air. It's on the news. It's they're talking

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about it. Uh, you wouldn't hear about ours too much at all. Never made the airwaves.

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People didn't talk about it. It was very under the rug thing.

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Like you said, very, very close and dagger. So, well, so that's why this is people don't

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know that this is going on, you know, as, as you said. So now that you're part of this

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division, you're, you know, you're say your first week on the new unit, like the calls

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that you respond to, you know, was, was it every day that this happened? Was there like,

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was this, so what did you do, you know, on you address in plain clothes? No idea. I know

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I don't feel identified. Well, cars, nothing like that. How did you, you know, um, we do

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for the day. Yeah. What was your typical day like? How do you, our day would, um, commence

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by going to hotspots. And what I mean by hotspots is, um, very drug influenced neighborhoods.

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And we would just look for the signs, the smells, the twitches, the screams. Sometimes

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you would hear screams and you'd be like, what the hell is that? And then you would investigate

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it. And so we're trying to be proactive in that way. And other times, I mean, there's,

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there's not like this zombie apocalypse happening where they're, everybody's fucking possessed.

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That's why it's so hard to pinpoint who's possessing, who's on just a drug addict because they blend

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in perfectly, right? Uh, the thing with demons is that they don't want to be known. It's

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when the internal fight happens, it's known. And what I mean by that, it's a person that

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he's possessing starts to hold its ground. Then it doesn't like it. And then it starts

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to show signs. And those are the signs we looked for. And if we didn't see him, then

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we would handle other priority things like serial killers, rapists and kidnappings. Um,

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had a lot of kidnappings. And why we were, uh, investigating kidnappings, because there

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was a lot of sacrifices happening in Detroit with children. Um, one of the main entry points

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was, uh, Windsor candidate to Detroit. And there's a, there's a train that goes from,

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happens to be near the third precinct. Uh, there's a train that goes from there all the

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way to Canada and we would catch Satanist, uh, abducting children and taking them to

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that tunnel, crossing them over to Detroit and then selling them for sacrificial things.

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And sometimes it wouldn't make it. And what I mean by that is that the, they would time

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the train wrong. And when that train gets going through that tunnel, they become hamburger

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meat along with unfortunately, whoever they're bringing over. And so we'll get runs of, you

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know, from the train, uh, because they have the train police. Hey, we have body parts

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down here and it's like, Oh, fuck. So I'm going to try to kidnap or bring some people

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over. And then there's times where we would find sacrifices with hookers in abandoned

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buildings. Like you can, you know, there was a sales just occurred and then we would look

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into that and we would have to sometimes close the door on that, on that property. And sometimes

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it meant burning the house down. And so you'll see these fires pop up in these vacant houses.

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That was sometimes us burning that structure. So someone, whatever door is there is closed

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and they can't return. You know, um, of course homicide would do its thing and investigate.

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But there's a lot of, there's, there's so many homicides or haven't been solved, but

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we all know that it has to do with that. You know what I mean? We, we need, we know it.

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We've seen it. We've seen the results of it. And as it just goes as a Jane Doe or John

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Doe and it goes unsolved because there's so much murder that's happening in Detroit.

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You almost become numb to it. The one thing that you have to understand is that when you're

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working 30 series and you do come against the demonically possessed and they're almost

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like armadillos. And what I mean by that is that they're very angry and they remember

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you and sometimes it comes home with you and fucks with you at home. And there's times

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where the lights won't work in my house or they'd go off or I hear the radio turn on

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downstairs and I'm like, oh fuck, it followed me home. It does happen. It's happened a lot,

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which mentally after a while it's just sort of straining. I remember one time my wife

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called me and she said there's somebody in the house. So I go down there, you know, because

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we can go anywhere. I'm like, well, I'm gonna go catch the person that's breaking into my

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house and get there and see the signs that I would normally see somewhere else like the

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smoke smears on the wall. And I'm like, oh fuck, this is not good. And so we would have

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the priests actually come and bless our homes and we would bless our homes regularly. A

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lot of people in the unit because they're very vindictive. You know, you just got rid

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of their vessel. They're going to come after you. It's almost like what's the best secret

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the devil has to make believe that it doesn't exist.