Yes. And you know, that's, that's sort of like the double edge of the 30 series that
kind of got to me after a while was the fact that as a police officer, I know that the
person that committed this crime by killing a cop, it wasn't really his fault. But yeah,
he has to face now the court system and be tried as a murder and the killer and be sentenced
to life or death or whatever they're they'd sentence to life because Michigan doesn't
have a death penalty. And it's sometimes hard to stomach because you're like, man, that
guy, you know, sometimes you hear people's defense that was possessed by the devil and
you're like, I'll push it. But to really see it and you kind of go, man, now he has to
face the music for what he did. It's kind of like, because no one's gonna believe, no
one's gonna believe. Yeah. And then you can't sit there. And as much as though hide it,
everybody knows about it. Prosecutor, chief of police, all the higher ups, they know what's
happening, but it's time to let it play out. And they're going to let it play out. And
like, I mean, you just can't bring into court of law that yeah, we just did an extra system.
He was possessed by a demon, but to that, you know, this is just sort of roll with.
So that's that's never become public knowledge, basically.
Not until now.
We're dead.
So during the extra system was there a name that came out of this demon or entity.
So when they perform this extra system, in order to write to win the right of ritual,
they have to confess to who they are. And people don't understand that although they're
demons and devils, they're very, very loyal to God still.
So we ever hear a police say by the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to tell me your
name. It streaks because as much as they hate Jesus Christ and God himself, they're still
loyal to him. And they will save a name. I know with the name that this particular demon,
his name was, its name was, I call it it, but I don't say it because if you say it and
you open it and then you invite him. And you know, I'm sure these people are going to research
this and all that. There's a 200 fallen angels that walk the earth. And there's probably
the most powerful exorcist demons that you'll ever run into in life. And those will hurt
you and kill you and literally kill you. And then there's thousands of minions that are
not as powerful as them. Out of those 200, one has been caught. There's still 199 of
them running around.
To this day or was this back in 1995?
No, to this day. There's still 199 of them running around and have not been caught. It's
all the other lower tier demons that possess people, but they possess them when they're
at their weakest moment, either drug infused, suicidal, extremely depressed. It's really
low points. They enter them. What I was told is the demons of the 199 other ones, they don't
need your permission. If they want you, they're going to take you. That's what's sort of scary.
So let's go back to our beginning point of your recalling the first, your first suspect,
your first arrest, I guess, of this, well, not your first arrest, but your first arrest
of this nature. So when you got the guy that was running, jumped on from a tree, and by
the time you were doing your filing your police report, you said from your peripheral, you
saw two guys in suits. You didn't know where they were. Did they identify themselves, anybody,
or did they walk in and people immediately knew who they were? At this point, you were
not oblivious to that, to the special unit yet, but did you know or did the higher ups,
did your commanding officer know already what was going on?
When they came in, I sort of saw it from my peripheral, and I know that they didn't. I'm
pretty sure they're, I do recall phones, the phone ringing, and my lieutenant answering
it. And then what the conversation was, I'm not privy to, but I do know that there was
some sort of notification made prior to me turning in that report prior to joining 30
series. I remember seeing them because I was like, oh, who's them? They're undercover.
Did you ever see these guys again?
Yeah, I would see them. I'd see them and I eventually got a chance to work with them.
But I do recall seeing two people from that 30 series unit with two sort of MIB guys that
came in.
You know, if there are other cities out there with special paranormal units like yours?
I know that there's some people that I worked with with 30 series. They're now in Miami,
LA. So it's easy to assume that there is a division here that people just don't know
about yet or is not, not privy to or have come out because they're, it's a really cloaking
dagger. They've, if you see some documentaries about Detroit, you'll see them every once
in a while. You'll see them. You're like, I wonder who those people are. It's 30 series,
you know? And I think we sort of lost the war. And I mean by that is because Satanism
has gotten so big in Detroit. And I just, I just, I can't even imagine what the battle
is like because I'd just been out of it for 12 years now.
So how long was your, how long were you in this unit for? How long did you serve?
I was a cop for 13 years in Detroit. Out of that 13 years, the first four years it was
patrol the Rassau Special Enhance. So I was in it for a long time.
So in that time, you saw a lot of things that, you know, I guess are hard to explain or.
Yes. I've seen the worst of the worst and some were drug infused and were like, okay,
not it.
Why Detroit at that time? I guess not why, why were you in Detroit, but you know, like
why was this task force or special unit made in Detroit specifically? You said it started
in Detroit though, right?
It definitely started in Detroit. The Pope. The gates, some of the limousines are waiting
for the Pope to come out. The Pope will be like, believe is right underneath the canopy.
And he should be, should be departing. Sure, there's the Pope will be there's a good shot
of the Pope will be a jimba. This is one of a couple of people. I guess two pop up bills
that are here in the Detroit area today.
John visited Ham Trimac in Detroit in 1987. And during this day in Detroit, and it was
related to me in his words, he saw a lot of demons in the crowd and he knew that there
was some sort of outbreak that was happening in Detroit. And if you think about it, like
I said, if you know Detroit, it's very poverty sticking. I could see why would Polly sort
of hatch there because people are going to do anything they can to try to make it. Sacrificing
kids from Canada and it happened. It happens. Polly's still happening. You have a lot of
cultures in Detroit, whether they're Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban, Jamaican, Haitian,
they all have their voodoo beliefs and in a conjure up shit, you know, to sell drugs
or protection from the police. But when that while they're doing that, they're opening
a door that they don't close. And then next, you know, that door becomes open and all these
things start happening. And then they roam the earth looking for victims and there's
nothing but victims in Detroit because it was during that time of 95, 96, 97, 98, up
to 2000. I mean, crack ruled everything. And so the many you all these people are on crack
and then became heroin. There you go. You have an empty vessel.
So did the unit get formed after Pope John Paul visited Detroit? Or was this always something
that was out there before and really didn't, you know, gain traction until after he got
there and then the Vatican got involved?
From what I've been told, it started after he left. And that's how the big four became
and that's what they were called big four, because four people rode in one police car.
And so can you tell us about the big four?
Big four, they're called the big four. Dirty serious has gone through a lot of name changes.
Like I said, they're called the big four. People knew him as a big four and they drove
around on Mark police car for people and they basically handled the highest crimes plus
the supernatural shit without the technology that we have now. I mean, 95 all the way to
about 2003 is when I, when I tapped out, uh, technologies just started to grow. You know,
we had old CAD systems. We didn't have Macintosh computers like they do now or we didn't have
any of the technology. Um, so a lot of our, uh, weapons were honestly brutal. You know,
it was a flashbangs, percussion grenades, course guns, um, gas bombs. Um, they had, um,
reengineered this, um, this hand grenade almost. And what I mean is called a spinner and you
would literally pull the pen like a grenade and you would launch it in the room and it
would spin, but they would have pellets of holy water and it would just pellet everything.
And then they would do that before they enter the room because when holy water hits the
unholy, it, it growls or goes, uh, and you go, Oh, he's over here. So you'll sometimes
it before you enter a room, you kind of go and wait and you hear it go. Oh, he ain't
in there. And then you go in there and clear the room and you clear the room just like
that because you never wanted to enter a room because you don't know where that word that
and they know yet you're coming, you know, because there's been times where you've entered
the room and he's a person upside down in the ceiling and most people look in not always
up and they say, you know, like, Oh shit. Now you're caught by surprise, which is not
a good situation because you're the one bringing the weapons to a, to an unholy fight.
Other kinds of weapons did, you know, did your unit have to fight in this, this unholy
war?
We had, um, spinners which carried holy water. We had, of course, our guns or handguns and
shotgun rifle and AR 15s and MP fives. Um, and that's the thing, but normal bullets didn't
work on these entities. If you shot in the head, you'd kill it, but then you're also
killing a person. That's correct. Right. So you, is it, you try not to do that like specifically.
We would discharge our firearm. It wasn't to wound. I mean, we, we, if we had to shoot,
then yeah, we would go for the head.
But you would point you want to, you know, apprehend this person and take them or the
suspect and take them into custody so that they can be saved. Or, you know, once that
is it, once you unload your weapon, is, do you know at this point it's there, there's
no going, you know, there's no saving this person.
Um, there's some times that we had to use fatal force and it would normally result in
immediate termination of the suspect. If he was harming somebody and you know, we've ran
into these things where we know what's that, that it is in it and he would hold a baby
or his wife or hold somebody that he was in a kill to just poke at us. And if we had to
shot, we'd take it because we didn't want to risk someone getting hurt. And you know,
I remember, um, this guy, uh, doing that to a baby and I'm like, well, there's no saving
that guy. I'm not going to let the baby die. I don't care. And it's, you know, and you
know, we had to take fatal force and that's the thing about 30 series is that when we
did take fatal force, things sort of went away. You know what I mean? Like right now
you get a police shooting and it's on the air. It's on the news. It's they're talking
about it. Uh, you wouldn't hear about ours too much at all. Never made the airwaves.
People didn't talk about it. It was very under the rug thing.
Like you said, very, very close and dagger. So, well, so that's why this is people don't
know that this is going on, you know, as, as you said. So now that you're part of this
division, you're, you know, you're say your first week on the new unit, like the calls
that you respond to, you know, was, was it every day that this happened? Was there like,
was this, so what did you do, you know, on you address in plain clothes? No idea. I know
I don't feel identified. Well, cars, nothing like that. How did you, you know, um, we do
for the day. Yeah. What was your typical day like? How do you, our day would, um, commence
by going to hotspots. And what I mean by hotspots is, um, very drug influenced neighborhoods.
And we would just look for the signs, the smells, the twitches, the screams. Sometimes
you would hear screams and you'd be like, what the hell is that? And then you would investigate
it. And so we're trying to be proactive in that way. And other times, I mean, there's,
there's not like this zombie apocalypse happening where they're, everybody's fucking possessed.
That's why it's so hard to pinpoint who's possessing, who's on just a drug addict because they blend
in perfectly, right? Uh, the thing with demons is that they don't want to be known. It's
when the internal fight happens, it's known. And what I mean by that, it's a person that
he's possessing starts to hold its ground. Then it doesn't like it. And then it starts
to show signs. And those are the signs we looked for. And if we didn't see him, then
we would handle other priority things like serial killers, rapists and kidnappings. Um,
had a lot of kidnappings. And why we were, uh, investigating kidnappings, because there
was a lot of sacrifices happening in Detroit with children. Um, one of the main entry points
was, uh, Windsor candidate to Detroit. And there's a, there's a train that goes from,
happens to be near the third precinct. Uh, there's a train that goes from there all the
way to Canada and we would catch Satanist, uh, abducting children and taking them to
that tunnel, crossing them over to Detroit and then selling them for sacrificial things.
And sometimes it wouldn't make it. And what I mean by that is that the, they would time
the train wrong. And when that train gets going through that tunnel, they become hamburger
meat along with unfortunately, whoever they're bringing over. And so we'll get runs of, you
know, from the train, uh, because they have the train police. Hey, we have body parts
down here and it's like, Oh, fuck. So I'm going to try to kidnap or bring some people
over. And then there's times where we would find sacrifices with hookers in abandoned
buildings. Like you can, you know, there was a sales just occurred and then we would look
into that and we would have to sometimes close the door on that, on that property. And sometimes
it meant burning the house down. And so you'll see these fires pop up in these vacant houses.
That was sometimes us burning that structure. So someone, whatever door is there is closed
and they can't return. You know, um, of course homicide would do its thing and investigate.
But there's a lot of, there's, there's so many homicides or haven't been solved, but
we all know that it has to do with that. You know what I mean? We, we need, we know it.
We've seen it. We've seen the results of it. And as it just goes as a Jane Doe or John
Doe and it goes unsolved because there's so much murder that's happening in Detroit.
You almost become numb to it. The one thing that you have to understand is that when you're
working 30 series and you do come against the demonically possessed and they're almost
like armadillos. And what I mean by that is that they're very angry and they remember
you and sometimes it comes home with you and fucks with you at home. And there's times
where the lights won't work in my house or they'd go off or I hear the radio turn on
downstairs and I'm like, oh fuck, it followed me home. It does happen. It's happened a lot,
which mentally after a while it's just sort of straining. I remember one time my wife
called me and she said there's somebody in the house. So I go down there, you know, because
we can go anywhere. I'm like, well, I'm gonna go catch the person that's breaking into my
house and get there and see the signs that I would normally see somewhere else like the
smoke smears on the wall. And I'm like, oh fuck, this is not good. And so we would have
the priests actually come and bless our homes and we would bless our homes regularly. A
lot of people in the unit because they're very vindictive. You know, you just got rid
of their vessel. They're going to come after you. It's almost like what's the best secret
the devil has to make believe that it doesn't exist.