After much juggling of busy schedules, we're
saying a big see you in a bit to Tash as a regular
co -host. While she won't be around every week
anymore, don't worry, she'll still pop in from
time to time, dropping in her signature humor
and wisdom when you least expect it. Enter Jay,
our new co -host here at That's Not The Point
pod. We're excited to have her join in all the
chaos and we know that you'll love the new dynamic.
Thanks for sticking with us and get ready for
even more fun. Here we go. So what I really hate
is that on my way here, I came across a bunch
of kids, and one of the kids was like, oh, your
shoelace is untied. But I was too lazy and cold
to tie my shoelace. And I hate that about myself.
I was looking down at it. I was like, do you
want to do it? And then while I said thank you
and everything like that, I'm noticing that this
kid is sharing a pack of rice cakes with his
friends. What teenagers eat rice cakes on the
street? Keto kids. The Keto babies? These kids
are the generation. Outrageous. Anyway, guys,
I'm so sorry. I had to do that. It was a tangent.
I say all that to say, welcome Jaleesa. Welcome
Jaleesa to the podcast. We had like such anticipation
for your arrival. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's real.
It's real talk. Uh, we couldn't wait till you
were here and i'm very excited to introduce you
to that's not the point podcast. How are you
feeling? I'm feeling i'm feeling all right. I'm
feeling um held against my will to be honest.
Um This was a spirit of the moment decision within
the past couple of weeks So I wasn't sure if
I was gonna make it here today, but i'm here.
I'm here. She did it. She did it. I made it I
arrived guys You could call it blackmail or you
can call it. What can you call it? No Well, no
you blacked out me you just kind of threatened
me to I Threaten you to what? Like it wasn't
like a do this or it was just like do this do
this. I mean, I I mean, okay guys Let's go back.
Let's go way back and talk about how we know
each other Let's just talk about how we know
each other and how we got here. Um By the way,
did I mention this is Jay? It's J guys, J's here.
Welcome to it. Yeah, J's here. That rhymes. J's
here, what's up? That's how we do it. I could
do that all day. Now, we, uh, I know I've known
J for a couple of years now. Yeah, since I was
actually like scrolling through our conversation
because I was like, I need to know when. And
we first, our first interaction on WhatsApp was
June the 13th, 2020. Oh my God. Yes. That's so
romantic what you just said. Just before your
birthday. Yeah, it was, it was, it was. with
your but just before your birthday yeah yeah
yeah you're born around the time for that that
birthday it was it was quite an event what happened
was i was on a train here in um in in germany
and um i saw a man speaking on the train on the
phone with his friends and he was speaking english
like north american english i say that now because
i know what i know now but i thought he was american
Just from his accent and he told me he was from
Canada and said that's wonderful cool And I said
it was the same thing because Canada America
same thing And we liked each other's vibe and
he said, you have to meet my wife. And I said,
why? And he said, because she's dope and she's
gonna love you and vice versa. So I said, that's
great. So my stuff was coming off and you have
to like kind of take out your phones and do the
whole exchange. And he gets off on my stop because
he really wanted me to meet his wife. And I thought
that was really cool. So he did that and made
that gesture. I said, of course. I say that all
to say, that if you have the opportunity to meet
someone and just take that chance because you
never know what's going to happen. I just met
a stranger on the train. I inserted myself into
his conversation on the phone. And next thing
you know, I am texting with his wife and she
starts typing me in German and I don't speak
German. So I told her that and she said, Oh,
no worries. I speak English. And I said, that's
great. So I did not know what she looked like,
where she came from or anything because she had
my number and she starts texting me. I was like,
Oh my God, I'm in big trouble. Um, this woman's
texting me because she didn't introduce herself.
She just started talking and I didn't know where
she came from. So when I discovered that that
was his wife, I said, yeah, we have to meet.
So we kept making plans to meet. And what happened?
We never got to or what happened? Yes. So going
back to you not knowing who I was or what I looked
like at all, I think I also did that intentionally
too, because I, yeah, I don't think I really
even gave you anything that hinted towards what
I looked like, who I was. And I think I had changed
my display pictures like the non -picture. So
she really had no idea what I looked like. So
as we're talking for I think it was like a couple
of weeks. We finally decided to meet up and the
lovely Gio was like, I know this cafe by my house.
You know, we could definitely go there. It's
so nice. This isn't that. So I was like, yeah,
cool. Like I know nothing about Hamburg. So I
was like, sure, let's, let's do it. Cause Gio
be out in the streets. So I was like, let's do
it. So the day comes now. I get to the cafe and
walk in the cafe now. I'm just like checking
it out. It was really cute. Super cute. I think
they had like little swings in there or something
like that, right? And I'm looking at the display
of the cakes and the desserts and stuff. So the
guy's like, oh, hey, how you doing? I'm like,
oh, good, I'm here. I'm about to meet someone.
Because he's looking at me like, we're about
to close. I don't know what this girl's looking
for. I don't know this yet. So then he goes,
yeah, the place is going to be closed in 15 minutes.
I'm like, I'm sorry, what? He's like, yeah, we
closed at 4. And I think Gio made the. these
reservations for like, I don't know, it was like
3 .30 and mind you, she came late on top of that.
So first of all, you're late to a place that's
closing in 15 minutes. So now I'm like, okay,
you know what, Jay, give her a chance. She's
late. She don't know the time of the place when
it closes. It's like two strikes now. But I'm
like, it's okay, it's okay, give her a chance.
So I step out, I step out the cafe now. I think
I waited like one or two more minutes. And then
I see this black woman turn the corner. So I
see her, she sees me, we lock eyes. Mind you,
we're literally, I don't know, like, I don't
know, 15 meters away from each other. Like, it
was like, you were down the street. And we pointed
at each other like, is that me? Is that you?
And then we're like, we acknowledge the fact
that it was us. Mind you, like I said, we haven't
seen each other. She hasn't seen me. And we literally,
just like out of a movie, started running. This
is no lie, Gio can attest to this. we ran to
each other in slow motion. And I wish I could
insert that song, like the do, do, do, do, do.
Like, it was like that. Running to each other
in slow motion. And in between that job to each
other, there's a guy looking at us like, what
the hell is going on? Like, do you guys know
each other? And I was just like, no, we don't.
It's the first time. This is our first interaction.
And then that's how we Yeah, that's how we first
saw each other. And then since we couldn't go
to the cafe, we decided to walk around Geo's
neighborhood and we walked for a minute. We walked
for like two hours. We walked around my neighborhood
arm -in -arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For like an hour.
I just met her 15 minutes ago and we're locked
arms, skipping deedle -ee -dee down the street
like we met each other a million times before.
And then, and then... Then she had to listen
to my barrage of things I can and cannot eat.
She starts getting upset, like, what do you eat?
Meanwhile, my chubby self is like, I don't need
this, and I don't need that. Zio is not chubby,
guys, just let you know, he's not. I'm chubby.
I am a chubby woman. And it's all in vain, but
I'm like, I need breadless, I need seedless,
I need, what am I, what do I need? I need everything,
what? It's weird. Air. Like she had said to me,
I think it was like coming after like, it was
like definitely coming to seven or after seven.
All I can remember Gio saying was, ah, it's too
late. Like I was supposed to eat before seven
o 'clock, ah, it's too late. So I'm like, okay,
like, yo, like let's go get you something to
eat. Like, you're going to be okay? Like, are
you going to have convulsions? Like what's happening?
And we ended up going to this burger spot by
our house. I can't remember. Something cool.
I'm so sorry, Hamburg, I don't remember. And
we ordered burgers, but the food is actually
really good though. So we order our burgers,
and this girl proceeds to eat the burger, bunless.
No buns, no top, no bottom. Why is that so funny?
Just bunless. No buns. And mind you guys, remember,
this is the first time I'm meeting her now, so
I'm trying to be a no judgment zone. just trying
to act like this is completely normal. She ate
the burger, just the meat. That's it. That's
all she did. And that's all she wrote, guys.
That's all she wrote. That's all she wrote. Fantastic.
Fantastic recollection. I love that story. I
went home. I told my husband. I met this girl.
She's awesome. She's like... a younger me in
some ways, and I loved her completely. It was
really, really cool. I really appreciate, like,
I felt blessed that I met your husband that day,
the way we met, or else we wouldn't know each
other today. We wouldn't be doing this right
now. I know. We say all that to say welcome,
Jay, to That's Not The Point podcast. We're so
happy to have her here. We do. We're going to
insert that. We're going to get her. A guy, a
tech? We're gonna get a guy. He's gonna, yeah.
And he's gonna do all that tech stuff that you
guys wanna hear going forward. We need this tech
stuff, right? Email us if you want to be that
tech guy. But no, I wanted Jay to be on this
podcast for a long time. We just are timing our
schedules, everything like that. And now she's
here and we're doing it and she has a new addition
in her life And I want to know about that. I
want to know about how she's navigating through
parenthood marriage and me Navigating through
just marriage by itself and just Life and just
life and how you know moving to Germany how that's
changed your life because although we've known
each other for a couple of years now We kind
of like text each other pretty often, but it's
just like day to day conversation. Like, what
are you doing today? What's going on? It's always
present. Um, but I do want to get to know more
of Geo's life before Germany and how that was.
And obviously how she came about and coming to,
to Hamburg and how she got here. So I'm excited.
Me too. Me too. Yeah. That's why we're calling
this, uh, episode chance encounters because you,
sometimes you have to make that chance, right?
You have to take that chance with people and,
uh, Extend yourself out and see what comes of
it. I loved it I loved that I was able to do
that that day with her husband and I love that
he connected us and we've been like pretty close
ever since and Yeah, yeah, it was it was it was
a good experience and I'm glad that we're doing
that today So I want you guys to get to know
Jay a little bit more. I want to know how and
why you moved to Germany. What inspired you?
How was that transition for you? Are you cool
with that? Yeah, for sure. So let me start off
by saying, no, I wasn't inspired to move to Germany
at all. I'm sorry to the fellow Germans here,
but I was not inspired to move here at all. I
came here for love. Okay, my husband he is also
from Toronto and so he's been in Germany since
2014 and we were dating since 2015 So yeah, this
year will be 10 years since we've been together
as we started dating This was my late 20s. I'm
not trying to give my age, but it's my late 20s
Yeah, I was I hate if my husband was to hear
this because he would feel so nice about himself,
but I was a little bit smitten. I'm not going
to lie. I was super into him, super into him.
And he was pretty much like, I'm going to be
going to Germany and I play basketball there.
So this would be like a long distance ting. Sorry,
guys, just to say. Because I'm from Toronto,
you're going to hear a lot of different things
going on. You might hear a little bit of Jamaican.
You might hear a little bit of Barbados. You're
going to hear some Denglish probably, some German
and English. You're going to hear a lot of stuff.
So I say ting means thing, just to give you guys
a little background. So we would have to do the
long distance relationship. That's pretty much
what he said. So I've never done it before. So
I thought... Mike, could this be so difficult?
Let me give it a try, right? And yeah, so the
first couple months, he was in Germany, I was
in Toronto, and I came to visit him, I think
three months after we started dating, and that
was my first experience coming to Germany. And
I remember telling my dad that I was coming out
here and he thought it was crazy, one, to come
meet a man all the way in Germany, and two, because
I was coming to Germany. So he was, no, could
only be as supportive as much as he could. And
he said, okay, go out, be safe. So when I came
out here, yeah, I honestly didn't know what to
expect. To be honest, a lot of people have...
or still have the misconception of Germany being
a racist country or the people aren't good here,
which is further from the truth. Germany obviously
has its areas where there are some special people,
let's just put it that way, special people with
different opinions as we do, and that's... Not
okay, but you know, we're gonna continue to move
forward, okay? So yeah, so I came out here and
we, where were we? We were first in the NRV.
So for anybody that is familiar with Germany,
this is in the area of Düsseldorf, Dortmund.
So we were in a small area, in this area. So
yeah, so we... hung out. We got to get to know
each other a bit more. So we decided to continue
the relationship. And I came out several times
to Germany after that. And at this point, I was
missing out on Barbados. I would usually go to
Barbados every single year. But the flight to
Germany is not cheap. So it was one or the other.
Put Barbados in the back burner. Yeah, come on.
Yeah. Yeah. A grayer climate. It is it is it
is and I actually I haven't been to Barbados
for I don't know seven or eight years now because
I kept coming out to to Germany to visit so Yeah,
so fast forward now four years later I was like,
all right, man, like, what are we, what are we
doing? What's, what's happening here? Cause four
years of long distance is a long time. Um, and
my partner was not ready to move back to Canada.
He's like, oh, I'm not ready. Like I still want
to, um, I still want to be out here in Germany.
And I was like, ah, all right. So then I had
to then make the decision. Do we continue this
love boat? Or do I hop off and I stayed on and
I took that love boat to Germany. So this is
where I'm at now. You said love boat. I love
that. That's really funny. But let me ask you,
what were the biggest cultural adjustments when
you first got here? What did you notice that
was different from back home? So I will say,
at least when it comes to Caribbean people, Caribbean
time is a thing. It's a thing. we're always late
all the time. And that is one thing that the
Germans don't play about. They don't play about
time. If they say three o 'clock, it's three
o 'clock or 15 o 'clock. When they say it's three
o 'clock, it's three o 'clock. And that was something
I had to adjust to. Now, mind you, like my job,
I'm always on time. But then everything outside
of that, like, you know, hey girl, come meet
me at the cafe. Like, can we be a little bit
relaxed? Be on the minute? Or it's like, obviously
you got to go there like a little bit earlier.
That was an adjustment for me. And yeah, that's
something that I had to adjust to. And what else?
I will say that I am pretty punctual. I will.
I am. I always have been. Sorry listeners, I
wish you guys could see my face right now. That
is a lie. I am pretty punctual. You are always
late. I am 15 minutes early. To where everybody
thinks the time is supposed to be. Yeah. Right?
She makes up the times in her head and then she
thinks she gets there 15 minutes earlier. But
she's always late. Every time. I know, I beg
to differ, I beg to differ. I feel as if I am
quite punctual, to be honest. No, but that was
a big shock for me here too. Like if you're going
to a dinner party or something like that, people
at the restaurants sitting down already and I'm
like really just walking in. I try to be fashionably
laid and... They don't do that. No. They don't
do the fashionable, they don't do the laid. No,
no. I did learn that. But I'm good at a doctor's
appointment. This I've always been good at. Right?
You too. It's not a crook. Working's job's cool,
but like, if I'm just showing up to a dinner,
like, come on, man. I know. I did, I learned
that the hard way, just getting glances from
people, like, you're late. So I get it. I get
it completely. So, so what else are you learning
from, have you learned from German culture as
opposed to back home? Ooh, the second thing,
after punctuality, I would say... This whole
direct communication thing a lot of people say
that germs are super direct I was talking to
my husband about this the other day and I was
like, I don't think they're very direct He's
like, no, that's how you like it is. I'm like
why I haven't had that happen to me until I remembered
the story when I first moved here and the job
that I was working at I So, you know, I'm a black
girl. I have curly hair and I decided to leave
my hair out one day. So I went to work and my
boss's wife said to me, oh, in German, I won't
say it in German, just to make it easy for y
'all, but she basically said, oh, your hair looks
so funny. No. Yeah. I just smacked my own mouth.
I was like, oh, your hair looks so funny. And
I was like, oh, okay. Like I had no idea. I was
so shocked because I had no idea how to react.
I'm like, did she really just say my hair looks
funny? And I just, I think my response was like,
yeah, look, this is my hair. Like when I leave
it out, like this is how it looks. You know,
and then she kind of like didn't say anything
after that. And I feel like Living here, when
people say certain things about, you know, how
you look, your hair, whatever, skin tone, I don't
know what. For me, sometimes I'm always on this
fence of whether I'm like, do I need to check
you and educate you, or do I just let it slide?
Because I'm like, I don't have the energy to
explain or like express to you that that's not
something that's okay to say. Have you ever had
that? I experience that more in the States than
I have. Here yes people would say something like
that like oh, you know about your hair about
your clothing or not clothing But I found here
that people are more respectful of your personal
space Yes, I mean, you know, my husband's German
his family Nobody comments on people's looks
unless you look really beautiful You're like
you have a bunch of makeup on or whatever the
case is your dress is extra Spectacular, but
nobody really comments on your looks in a negative
way. I've never experienced that Not once. And
I love that about Europeans as opposed to maybe
culturally, like from my culture, we're very
judgmental. But I found here that people kind
of just let it be. I mean, I don't know for your
Caribbean, but Haitians, if you gain weight or
something like that, we're very quick to tell
you that you gain weight. For sure. I have not
experienced that. I fluctuate all the time. If
I happen to lose a certain amount of weight at
that time, someone will say something really
positive, but no one's gonna be like, oh, you
gained weight. I've never, I've never heard that.
But your auntie or your uncle, like if you're
at a family function, they'd be like, hey, hey.
They might pinch you. They might pinch you where
the fat is to let you know that's the fat I'm
talking about. Right, right. Right here. Yeah,
that's the thing. Yeah, okay. So yeah, I would
say like, Caribbean culture wise I think our
own family can also be like major critics of
us I feel like they just feel like they could
do that because their families like what are
you gonna do? You little girl like they expect
us and they like I raised you I mean since you're
in diapers I can say what I want to say and it's
like no you can't you can't it can be hurtful
No, it can be I can't it can be and I think I
think slowly but surely people from the Caribbean
are starting to learn on some level that you
cannot criticize people's looks. I think we're
like the last people to do it. Yeah. I think
for sure. On the planet. Yeah. It's just something
that we're just not accustomed to do it and it's
not coming from a place of hate or they just
want you to be your best and they feel like if
they're family and they're telling you maybe
the rest of the world won't have to tell you.
Won't have to. Right. Maybe that's their logic.
I have no idea. I think that's interesting. That's
crazy. Yeah. I was so shocked. I was super shocked.
And I've actually had another, my second job,
I've had people like touch my hair. Like sometimes
I have my hair up in a bun like it is now. I've
had people like squeeze my hair like, yeah. And
see it's like a, like a schwamm. Schwamm is like
a poof. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. That's what
my hair feels like. Wow. I know, I know. When
I get braids, I get braids all the time. It's
easier for me. I've had people ask me to touch
my braids. Really? Yeah, no, they haven't asked.
But I think the problem is because I come across
such like a cool laid -back person, I think they
think like, oh, it's okay, like that's cool,
like Jay's cool. And for the most part, I'm like,
whatever, like I don't take that stuff to heart
sometimes, but it's like, if I was a different,
people might take that differently. So I think
for me, it's like, Like I said, it's like I'm
always on that border of, okay, do I address
that? Because I'm like, you don't want to do
that to everybody. Some people are cool with
it and won't say anything because people are
curious or they just, you know, they want to
know what your hair feels like, I guess. But
for me, yeah, that was that was quite shocking.
I was shocked by that. Yeah, I didn't know how
to address that. But on a lighter note. Aside
from that. Aside from punctuality and directness.
Yeah, no, there hasn't been much, I would say.
Except for the little things, and this is not
cultural. Maybe you could say it's a cultural
thing, because I think Germans are... much different
when it comes to like conserving food and like
how they handle that kind of stuff um but the
refrigerators can someone If anyone is German
listening to this at some point, please let me
know what is with the mini refrigerators. Why
are they so small? And it could be a whole apartment,
like whole three bedrooms, and you still have
this mini refrigerator. I don't get it. I learned
that when I lived in Europe a while ago. I'm
not telling my age, but I did when I had my first
long extended time in Europe. I realized that
that was in Spain. I realized the frigerators
are much smaller than they are in the states.
A lot of things are smaller here. Cars often
are smaller here. It's just the way, especially
in bigger cities, they just make things smaller
for some reason. Out in the country, like my
husband's family lives in the country, and they
have like a normal size fridge with the two doors
and the whole thing, which is like more like...
what I would think is normal for what we know,
but I think in the city, I think it's just for
accommodation for smaller apartments or stuff.
But in the states, in New York, we have like
closet apartments and still humongous fridges.
That's an interesting question. It's one person
living there and you have a huge fridge. Now
I get that. I do, what I will say is what I learned
having to live with that mini fridge was that
I had to be super conscious about going and doing
groceries, like I couldn't do a whole batch of
groceries because I knew, oh, that stuff wasn't
fitting in the fridge, right? That was my thing
where I learned, I'm like, okay. And I think
too, it kind of also controls my spending because
I don't feel like I'm going to buy every single
little thing that might be on sale at the grocery
store because they can't fit in the fridge. Well,
let me ask you, Jay, how has your Caribbean or
your Canadian roots, the aspects of that, has
that shaped your living or culture here? No,
what I will say is in terms of like my perspective
on how I see life in Germany now compared to
living back in Toronto, growing up there's always
this pressure, I would say at least family pressure
of like having to be successful. And I feel like
I don't notice there's so much pressure to be
successful here and maybe that's just I don't
know if it's the school system, I don't know
what it is exactly, but in Canada, and maybe
you can also say for you as well, Gio, but growing
up, it was like, hey, be a doctor, be a lawyer.
And then after that, it's like, oh, you have
to buy a house, you have to own a car, you have
to have all these materialistic things to show
what success is. And I felt a lot of that pressure
coming towards my... late 20s to early 30s and
this also transition of being with someone in
a long distance relationship. I was feeling that
pressure because I already had some friends that
had already owned their house by the age of like
26, already had their car. So you feel that pressure
a little bit. Whereas I would say when I moved
here, I lost all that. I didn't feel that pressure
like I have to own a car or I have to have the
nicest car or I have to have a big house. I never
felt that. Yeah. No, no, I completely agree because
also i'm older than you older than you and I
came here older and I had a couple of those things
Before but I also noticed that when like my first
go -around living in europe the pressure to um
To succeed I guess quote unquote succeed I noticed
that as well I noticed like someone who works
in a bakery and has a good life and they're doing
what they do they're satisfied and complete and
but I also think culturally it's like a first
generation type thing. Your parents leave their
country and they go to like. America or North
America and they need you to Represent for them
and have a big life to show that they what they
did was worth it I did not move to Canada for
nothing. Exactly. You didn't just not go to school
or that's a very good point I actually never
thought of it that way Yeah, I just kind of thought
of it as yeah, my parents just wanted to have
successful children But I do see that standpoint
in terms of them leaving somewhere to go somewhere
else like to give they would say a better opportunity
for us as first generation kids. No, that's actually
good. No, it's really all across the board. No,
it doesn't matter which country you're from.
There's a pressure on first generation children
to achieve certain things that the parents never
saw for themselves. And they put a lot of pressure
on you. And it really doesn't matter. I'm talking
about the states. It really doesn't matter where
you come from. They still feel that amount of
pressure in certain levels. I feel like it's
less over the years, but definitely something
that I felt growing up as well. Also another
thing, we live in the city. And in the city here,
there are a lot of newcomers, a lot of migrants
or people who come from different countries here.
And your level of where you are educational wise
or socially wise or anything like that differs.
So what your friend is doing on the left may
not be what your friend is doing on the right.
And so you have to kind of meet them where they
are. They just got here. They don't know the
language. They don't have a job. They don't have
this. So I think it makes people a little bit
more tolerant. I know when I lived... in the
city in New York, you know, I had friends with
all different levels of income, which is different
from the suburbs. You know, from the suburbs,
they expect you to live suburbian life. You know
what I mean? Like a dog and a fence and the house.
So once you get to the city, you'll have some
friends who actually have a lot of money and
they prefer to rent. So, you know, and just the
living is different, but because we live in the
city, it's just a little bit... more friendly
to that aspect. I think when you get further
out into the country or further out into suburban
life, I think those expectations are a little
bit higher. It's an assumption. I would say,
or what someone mentioned to me, which I thought
was also interesting was that they thought instead
of investing in property, in Hamburg because
this person's from Hamburg they said you know
what I'd rather just buy a house in Spain or
Italy so then that way you know my summer vacations
I'm out of Hamburg and I'm going to Spain and
I have my property there which makes a lot of
sense instead of investing here because if anyone
lives in Hamburg they know a lot of the times
out of the year it's very gray very rainy so
it's like I would say that is a good investment
to say, you know what, I'm tired of this weather.
Let me just fly over to Spain real quick, you
know, for a weekend. I have my house there, you
know. Yeah, I have a lot of friends with summer
homes all over Spain and Italy and things like
that. I visited a home over the summer. It was
great in Spain. you know they they put everything
into that house and as soon as um their son finishes
uh school that's where they're moving permanently
and i get it um the the weather here can be brutal
it could be really brutal in the winter and a
lot of rain but the city is amazing don't don't
it's a great city it reminds me a lot of um toronto
just because it's like a large metropolitan city
and it is I would say pretty diverse. One of
the most diverse cities in Germany. But yeah,
like Hamburg is a great city. It's just the weather
can be challenging. That's something that I also
had to adjust to. But I also think it's case
by case or based off the individual. Because
if you just have a positive outlook on life,
most people probably won't allow the weather
to deter them or affect them in any way. And
I felt like when I first moved here, I was that
way. Rain, who cares? No sun for two weeks, who
cares? So I think it's also, you know, just your
outlook on life as well, too, right? But I can
see over time for people how it would be like,
it can be a little bit daunting at times. But
other than that, it's a great city to live in.
Summers are great. People are on road. No, I
mean the days are very long in the summer like
the sun sets so so late It's beautiful. It's
a beautiful time. I love it So let me ask you
yeah between you and and your husband and your
cultural combined life What do you think? Do
you think you're gonna have differences with
your child in the future as far as like her new
now adapted? German culture versus your Caribbean,
uh, Toronto roots. Do you think it's going to
be so much of a difference or? Ooh, that's a
good question. I feel like we haven't. Girl,
this little baby's four months, so I'm still
trying to get my life together, figuring that
out. But I think, yeah, no, my partner and I,
we've talked a lot about how we're going to navigate
and how we're going to move differently when
it comes to raising our daughter here versus
obviously raising our daughter in Toronto that
she's around, like obviously family and friends.
who you know look like her who understand obviously
where she's from or her background so here it's
going to be a completely different I would think
a completely different upbringing but yeah that's
hard to say we haven't yeah we haven't really
dabbled too much into that yet so that's gonna
have to we have to stay tuned in the podcast
for that as she as she gets older because I'm
not really sure How are we going to navigate
that? Yeah, we haven't thought about that, but
that's a good question. I'm excited to see her
development and how it's going to be, especially
because you guys are Caribbean, so it's kind
of cool to watch from the outside. I can't wait
to see it. Let me ask you another question. As
far as this podcast goes. What what do you think
some of the benefits or? What what would you
see as a future plan for this podcast between
us at that's not the point podcast What do you
have visions for it? Did I give you enough time
to think about visions for it? No, I don't know
if you guys heard me I said this I'm doing this
against my own will right so she's like hold
me right now as we speak She's like, you know,
just answer the question. It's like And I'm just
like, okay trying to figure out what to say.
No No, my vision is One, I think our story is
different and unique that we are both two women
coming from North America as expats living in
Germany. We obviously came for love as well too,
so that's also something that we connect upon
as well. But I think what's super important to
me with this podcast is just that anybody and
everybody can take something. from our episodes
and what we say, just giving advice, whether
it's on love, whether it's on education, mental
health. We wanna talk about many and multiple
topics that can reach to anybody. And never forgetting,
on a basis level, we're human, so we can all
relate. We've all gone through something that...
someone else has gone through or that their aunt
went through or that their cousin went through.
So we're just all here to kind of relate and
share our stories. And we definitely at some
point want to put it back to you guys and have
you guys kind of give us your feedback or, you
know, give us your experiences of what it's like
living in Germany or if you're in Europe or in
the States and just any other topics as well,
too. We definitely want to get feedback as well.
So that's how I that's how I envision. That's
not the point. I love it. I love it. We're putting
that on. vision board. It's gonna be great. Yes.
Yes. We're gonna do that. We're gonna do that.
It's gonna be amazing. I really I love having
you on board. I think it's going to be great.
Thank you. Moving forward. Uh I might not be
here next week guys so just you know enjoy this
episode right now. We'll see. She's still on
the fence. She's still out. She's still on the
fence somehow, I don't know, but she's been doing
her research and I think she's like 90%. 90?
98? That's not bad. That's not bad. She was telling
me like 50 % yesterday. So we'll see how far
that goes. But no, you're all aboard and I just
want to see this journey for the both of us.
I want to see how that goes. And I want to rep
Hamburg too. I want to rep this country, this
town, this city, because I do love being here.
There's so many beautiful aspects. to living
in Germany. I'm sure we've both been here. Well,
I've been here five years now. How long have
you been? I don't even remember. I don't. I have
no recollection. She's been here for a minute.
She's been here for a minute. A long minute.
Yeah, a long minute. Yeah, for a long minute.
I love this city and I want to represent her.
Hopefully the best. Her. Yeah, Hamilton Her.
Hamilton Her. She's a girl. Maybe we'll find
another episode of why she's a girl. What's our
guy's name again? Our intern? He is her. She
is she. We thank you guys so much. Thank you
guys for tuning in. For introducing Jay to the
podcast. Appreciate it. We're so happy to have
you. Welcome aboard. Thank you. I'm glad to be
here. Natalie, that's not the point. family.
Thank you. Thank you. I look forward to this
journey, Gia. I know. Can we high five? Can you
high five on the podcast? We did it. We did it.
We're going to add slap later. Don't worry about
it. Don't even worry about that part. It was
good. We're going to add it. Yeah, definitely,
guys. Please stay with us along our journey.
Definitely tune in every week. We'll be dropping
episodes every week. She's winking at me because
I'm very, very bad. Yeah. Every week. Every week.
Just stay tuned. And then if it's not, then...
Send us an email. We're going to talk to the
people and maybe we got a fire deal. But that's
the point. So, see what I did there? Anyways,
tune in every week, guys. Tune in every week.
This girl's awful. Tune in every week, guys.
We'll see you guys next week on another That's
Not The Point episode. Thank you, guys.