1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,800 So what's good, what's good, people? 2 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,360 Episode two, back here with Akme Beats. 3 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Come on. 4 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,360 Yes. 5 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,360 Episode two, episode two, right. 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,160 This is a very special episode and I think we're doing a series of special episodes 7 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:45,400 on this launch of season one. 8 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,760 Welcome to the Sovereign Music Podcast. 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,960 Again, Nat Cole here. 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:58,560 Bringing all of the music to the tech and the tech to the money to the music to the culture. 11 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:04,520 And man, what can I say about this brother right here? 12 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,160 You heard a little bit of his production as we came in here. 13 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:18,240 So I'm going to let him introduce himself, tell us a little bit about what he does. 14 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,240 Yeah, yeah. 15 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Thank you, Gold. 16 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,760 I appreciate so much that you called me. 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,760 Yeah, man. 18 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Yeah. 19 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,560 My name is Akme Beats, AKA Akme, AKA Akme Cool Beats. 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,560 Yeah. 21 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:41,880 Yeah, I'm from Italy and yeah, I've been doing music for a very long time, like kind of 15, 22 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,880 15 years now. 23 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,880 Yeah, bro. 24 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,160 15 years is a long time. 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,160 And that when? 26 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Yeah, I used to, yeah, I used to start to doing beats and after doing like lyrics, rap, 27 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,560 rap in general. 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 29 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,480 So, so what, what got you started? 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:12,040 What was the moment that made you get into, okay, hey, I'm going to go and make a beat 31 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,840 or I'm going to try and rap? 32 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Yeah, I was like, I used to get like a big crew in Italy. 33 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,520 Yeah. 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Yeah. 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,520 We were young. 36 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,360 We used to do graffiti and rap music. 37 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:34,120 So they involved me to do like beat making because nobody did, nobody doing beat making. 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,040 So yeah, I used to start like that, you know. 39 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:46,600 People involved me on the right way of beat making, you know. 40 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:52,880 Like I say, old people show me and give me like machine, old machine for doing beats 41 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,240 for, you know, like. 42 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:05,960 So you were just interested in making beats and there were, let's say like older crews 43 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:06,960 or in your community? 44 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:14,280 Yeah, the older, yeah, the people older than me, like because I was like 13 or 14 and the 45 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:22,760 people like they go already 22, 25, they gave me for free like a machine, you know, like 46 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:23,760 the old one. 47 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:33,640 A guy, he has 2000, you know, working with floppy disk, you know, you know, and all these 48 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:34,640 things. 49 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:38,400 So analogic thing, you know, proper analogic one. 50 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:47,320 And we used to use Atari. 51 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Atari ST. 52 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Yeah, you know, the old one. 53 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,600 The old days, right? 54 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,520 It's funny because obviously, you know, the sovereign music podcast, you're here, we're 55 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,840 talking about like where kind of the technology meets the music and the technology and how 56 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,400 we how we're using the technology now. 57 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Yeah, bro. 58 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:15,360 Like I was, we say in Italy with my friends, we say like we was on the middle of technology, 59 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:23,000 you know, I mean, like we start to do music with analogic machine and after we get like 60 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 digital. 61 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 62 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:36,480 So, you know, so all the time they start with the analogic and after going to the digital 63 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,480 stuff. 64 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:46,200 So we used to see a lot of different things, different markets and different machine and, 65 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,960 you know, like, yeah, yeah, technology make a progression so much. 66 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Yeah, exactly. 67 00:04:51,960 --> 00:05:02,320 So so kind of starting there again, right, with with using the analog machines or using 68 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,320 the older machines. 69 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,800 I mean, again, obviously, later on in the conversation, we'll get into speaking about 70 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,920 the newer forms of technology, but just taking it back to the Atari ST. 71 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Yeah, because that's the era that I'm from as well. 72 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,440 The Atari ST. 73 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Yeah, I mean, I literally said to someone yesterday, you know, we learned how to sample 74 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,680 on the ASR 10 and we used to sample on the floppy disk. 75 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,400 And then remember the day when we were speaking, you said to me, I have to mix the sample. 76 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,440 And I said, I haven't heard nobody say that for so many years. 77 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Right. 78 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 79 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,600 Like and and, you know, obviously, I'm around, you know, people all the time, right. 80 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,720 We are making music, but mixing the sample. 81 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,720 Right. 82 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,480 So when we are saying to somebody just I think it was yesterday when we had the ASR 10, we 83 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,640 used to have to put the laff, it is that 15 seconds on the floppy disk and you spread 84 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,080 it across the keyboard and then you would play all of the MIDI notes into the ST and 85 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,680 then you record it to the DAT and then you mix it and then you resample it and then you 86 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,280 put it back on the disk and you put it back in the ASR 10 again and then you start making 87 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:18,280 the beats, right. 88 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,280 You know, to the safety. 89 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,720 So or you'd have all of the MIDI parts there. 90 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,480 So you once you put it back in, then you're now ready with the sample channel, you know. 91 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:34,400 So so just take us back to to to to when you first started and the difference into, let's 92 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:43,040 say how how easy it's become to access equipment like that for you to get that. 93 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,040 Yeah, for sure. 94 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,040 For sure. 95 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,040 Two thousand. 96 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,040 Yeah. 97 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,040 At that time, I used to spend like a week or one bit. 98 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 99 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:57,680 Like a week completely, you know, even the cable, the connect the cable, you know, it 100 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,680 was like difficult. 101 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Yeah. 102 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:06,120 Like you say before was before was like difficult to make music. 103 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Now it's very simple. 104 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:17,640 Now you get like tutorial on the internet before wasn't tutorial before was like you 105 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:26,120 read the book of the machine and explain you how the machine work. 106 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,640 It's not like this. 107 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 108 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,640 The style of the beats. 109 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,040 And going back to that as well, like reading because because as well, what I've found over 110 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,440 the years is there's there's guys who read the manual and there's guys who skim the manual 111 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,760 and then there's guys who just don't even bother with the manual. 112 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,760 And eventually they find their their way. 113 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,760 But what was it like for you? 114 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Was you like somebody who who when you encountered this technology at the time that you were 115 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,080 starting to make music, did you were you like, hey, I need to read the manual or were you 116 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,080 like, hey, sometimes I read the manual. 117 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Yeah, sometimes I read the manual. 118 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,800 Someone teach me something. 119 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,760 The old guy, you know, the old people. 120 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:18,880 Yeah, teach me like like the machine, how how it's working, you know, like maybe just 121 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:19,880 one time. 122 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 123 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,880 Times. 124 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,840 I think so, but not so much. 125 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,720 So I learned from myself and read the book as well. 126 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,160 Yeah, try to understand more. 127 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,160 More. 128 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 129 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 130 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Like it wasn't wasn't like a university of music. 131 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 132 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,160 No, she might that was like. 133 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,760 So did you have any musical training before that? 134 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Was you when you were little, did you know which drums or piano or anything? 135 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,080 Yeah, we are. 136 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,840 Yeah, before you mean before you before producing music. 137 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,560 Yeah, you should play piano. 138 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:02,800 Okay, piano and listen a lot of music, different one. 139 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,560 So, yeah. 140 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:11,440 And that age coming up as well, what was the what was like the hip hop community? 141 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,480 Because hip hop is obviously what you make mostly. 142 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,720 So what was what was the hip hop community like in Italy at that time? 143 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,080 Sorry, what was the hip hop community like in Italy at that time? 144 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,600 What was it like for for hip hop artists? 145 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,160 Was there lots of hip hop artists? 146 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,440 No, no, no. 147 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,440 For now. 148 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,440 Yeah. 149 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,440 What's that completely? 150 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:32,440 What's like early 2000? 151 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,440 Yeah, yeah. 152 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:43,400 So, yeah, I remember some Italian rapper was like very good doing like really good music 153 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:51,840 and from Sicily, not so much people, you know, like maybe five people in Sicily. 154 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,040 Like rap music, hip hop was commercial completely. 155 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,040 It was super, super underground. 156 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Yeah. 157 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,040 So yeah. 158 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:07,200 And what was your like who was your you cannot ask this, who was your like inspiration at 159 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,200 that time? 160 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,160 Who was you listening to that made you want to make or listen to more hip hop? 161 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Who was who was that? 162 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,160 Yeah. 163 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,160 I said that producer. 164 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,160 You saying American one. 165 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Yeah, like American, American or anywhere. 166 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,240 Some Italian, yeah, some Italian. 167 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,760 And yeah, American one and some English one as well. 168 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Yeah, yeah. 169 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,360 And what was the most? 170 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Yeah, the most was like the DJ Premier. 171 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,360 Yeah. 172 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,360 Premier was the best. 173 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,360 Yeah, yeah. 174 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,360 And Pete Rock. 175 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Yeah, Pete Rock. 176 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,360 We used to appreciate so much for the bass line. 177 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Yeah, yeah. 178 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,360 We used to appreciate so much. 179 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:53,040 So you're definitely you'd say from that era of the Pete Rock and the Large professor 180 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:59,200 like Premier, like Showbiz and AG. 181 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,200 Yeah, DITC. 182 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,200 Yeah, DITC. 183 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,200 All of DITC really. 184 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,200 Yeah, the DITC 185 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,200 and Lord finesse as well. 186 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,200 Yeah. 187 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,200 So Lord Finesse Diamond D. 188 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 189 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,200 Yeah, yeah. 190 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,200 Alchemist as well. 191 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,200 Oh, yeah. 192 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Come on. 193 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,200 Alchemist and DJ Max. 194 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:22,400 First one, I think the Dimp Max was first, first like, you know, first album I remember 195 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,400 was Psycho Diem and Cypress Hill, The Temple Of Boom. 196 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Yeah, yeah. 197 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Was the first, you know, like. 198 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Albums that you've got. 199 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,400 And the buss, I remember Busta Rhymes. 200 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 201 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,400 The coming. 202 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,400 The next level. 203 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Or Instinction Level 11. 204 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,400 Yeah. 205 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,400 So the first one you're talking about. 206 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Yeah, yeah. 207 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,400 This one. 208 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Yeah, yeah. 209 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Yeah, that's from 99. 210 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Was like an album from 99. 211 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 212 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,400 Yeah, yeah. 213 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,400 Dope. 214 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Yeah, yeah. 215 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,400 Especially the American. 216 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Yeah. 217 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Especially the American one. 218 00:11:52,400 --> 00:12:00,440 But yeah, it was like people from Italy doing like very good, super good. 219 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,280 There was like Famous as well in Italy. 220 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,400 And I remember French in France. 221 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,080 Yeah, France is pretty big. 222 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Germany as well. 223 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,080 And Greek, I remember. 224 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,080 Okay, wow. 225 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,080 Yeah, Greek, I remember. 226 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Yeah, I didn't know that there was. 227 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,080 Terrorist crew. 228 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,080 Terrorist crew. 229 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:23,080 I can imagine that there will be different people in hip hop all over the world. 230 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Yeah, I remember the Slovenian one, I remember. 231 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,720 I go to the city as well now. 232 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,720 I go to the city as well. 233 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,320 Yeah, because Europe has always been a really big place for hip hop. 234 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,960 I think that people maybe over time have realized. 235 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,920 But I think the artists, the American artists have always realized that Europe is a big 236 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,800 place for hip hop because they've been touring in Europe for a very long time. 237 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,920 But I think that people often underestimate the fact that European regions and European 238 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,680 countries have their own hip hop scenes. 239 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:03,120 And that's got obviously, hip hop is probably the most listened to music to date, right? 240 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,880 So at the moment, there's definitely a global spread. 241 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:15,680 And that brings us kind of on to the next part of the conversation, which is like accessing 242 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:21,580 being able to access like the further market, right? 243 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:30,320 So we know that with the Internet and with things like YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music 244 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,360 and probably even let's go a little further back. 245 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:39,720 So let's go back to like Pirate Bay and Napster and, you know, LimeWire, right? 246 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,000 And Kazaa, right? 247 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,280 So people have always used the Internet to communicate more. 248 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:53,440 And I mean, from where you was in Italy with kind of a smaller rap community and trying 249 00:13:53,440 --> 00:14:00,240 to get yourself and listen and being able to be a part of the wider kind of space, right? 250 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Like, you know, the Americans obviously dominate the space. 251 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:13,560 But being part of that wider space is like, where do you feel that the Internet came in 252 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:14,560 for you? 253 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:17,320 When did you start thinking, hey, the Internet is... 254 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,320 Yeah, 2008, 2007, I think, when Quasimoto... 255 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,760 Do you remember Quasimoto? 256 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Yeah, yeah. 257 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,760 Yeah. 258 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:36,400 So when Quasimodo came, yeah, my family buy a laptop and we used to get Internet. 259 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,400 Okay. 260 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:45,520 So before was like some of my friends that download the music for me, you know, or buy... 261 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,000 I used to buy music in the shop, you know. 262 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,240 So yeah, before... 263 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:57,000 So when I was younger, for example, when I started, there wasn't Internet. 264 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,680 Those are just like shop, music shop and book. 265 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Yeah. 266 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:15,120 And after, yeah, 2005 and 2007, we used to use Internet. 267 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Yeah, the laptop. 268 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Yeah, even 2002. 269 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,600 So basically, you're saying... 270 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,560 What you're saying is that the adventures of Lord Quas, yeah, right? 271 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Yeah. 272 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,560 That's what really put you on to... 273 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,560 On Internet, yeah. 274 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,560 Yeah, bro. 275 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,560 Yeah, crazy, crazy. 276 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,560 And then there's Doom and shit. 277 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Yeah. 278 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:44,560 You know, like because I didn't know Madlib before. 279 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Before Internet, I didn't know Madlib, I didn't know J Dilla, and we used to know just Premier, 280 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:59,560 and then we used to know the rest of the music, and then we used to know the rest of the music. 281 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:07,560 So when you got the laptop, how did you get introduced into that whole section of music from the laptop? 282 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,560 So you had the laptop, and then what site were you using? 283 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,560 MySpace. 284 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,560 MySpace. 285 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,560 So you were on MySpace and you were... 286 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,560 So it's funny, right, because we were here to do episode one, right, with Nat and I, right? 287 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:28,560 And what he said also is, you know, like that MySpace era was kind of like where a lot of people, you know... 288 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,560 It's like the granddaddy, right? 289 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Yeah, yeah. 290 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Where people really on a public level started to discover other musicians, yeah. 291 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Yeah, yeah. 292 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,560 So... 293 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,560 A lot of people, yeah, new artists start from MySpace, you know, they start from MySpace. 294 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,560 And I think... 295 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,560 It was the first one, no? 296 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,560 Yeah, it was the first one. 297 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 I think obviously now... 298 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,560 It was super good. 299 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,560 I used to love it, love it, love it. 300 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Because you can put whatever you want there, you know. 301 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,560 I used to put like video games there as well. 302 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Yeah, yeah. 303 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,560 People used to put all kinds of stuff on their page, right? 304 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:11,560 And the thing is, right, it's funny because you could tell everybody's age, right, by MySpace now, right? 305 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:18,560 Because there's a generation, obviously, the generation that we're seeing coming through now are not... 306 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,560 They're not... 307 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,560 They don't know anything about MySpace. 308 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:27,560 They are late Facebook people that are Instagram and everything else. 309 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:28,560 This page, this page and said page. 310 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,560 So, you know, like a said page. 311 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:40,560 So, yeah, so what you say is that maybe a lot more people were not on MySpace because a lot more people were not on the internet. 312 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,560 No, they don't know MySpace. 313 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,560 MySpace was like Facebook killed MySpace. 314 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 315 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Completely. 316 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,560 Because Facebook is more of a... 317 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,560 More information, you know, more information. 318 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,560 MySpace was more like culture. 319 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 320 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,560 That's a good way to say it, right? 321 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 322 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,560 Because MySpace is more... 323 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Was more, hey, you can put something up, you can own your own free kind of web page, put your own stuff on there. 324 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Yeah, whatever. 325 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,560 So MySpace is pretty decentralized even though it was a centralized thing. 326 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Graphic, video games, I told you. 327 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 328 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,560 Whatever, like animation things. 329 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,560 It was like super good, bro. 330 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,560 So even if MySpace, yeah, if MySpace... 331 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:34,560 It's funny because if MySpace wasn't a company and it was built on, let's say, some kind of decentralized technology, 332 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,560 if you had MySpace like that, then, you know, I think that's where we're kind of going now, 333 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,560 back to people building their own web pages on decentralized stuff, right? 334 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,560 But we'll talk about that later again, right? 335 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,560 Yeah, yeah. 336 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:55,560 But yeah, with Facebook, Facebook kind of came in with this more connected social element. 337 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:01,560 So people were connecting with people in their schools, people were connecting with people in their families. 338 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,560 So it was keeping a history of your information of who you interacted with and people that you know, right? 339 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,560 Yeah. 340 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,560 Which is MySpace is much more different, but let's not get into that, right? 341 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,560 More artistic, I think, so MySpace. 342 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Yeah, yeah. 343 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Then only information. 344 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 345 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,560 So, okay, right. 346 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,560 So now you've got this laptop, you started listening on MySpace. 347 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,560 They kill MySpace after one year, you know? 348 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,560 And, you know, yeah, they bring you in the other space. 349 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 350 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:47,560 And so we used to hate Facebook, like completely, you know? 351 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Instagram, nobody accepted when we started, just few of one. 352 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:01,560 Yeah, this photo, photographer, for photographer, it was like just for photographer. 353 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:10,560 So when was the first time that you kind of connected then with somebody outside of the Italian kind of scene? 354 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Because at this point, you're making beats, you've got a few people around you that you're all making beats and rappers together. 355 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,560 No, no, just more rapper than beat. 356 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,560 More rapper. 357 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,560 So you're making most of the beats. 358 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,560 Yeah, so the maker was like just me and I don't know, Seamus, Seamus, producer, you know? 359 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 360 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,560 So at this time you're making... 361 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,560 Everyone just has two choices. 362 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,560 Everyone was ignorant about all, even graffiti, even breakdance, even all. 363 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:44,560 So me, I was like, I used to get knowledge of graffiti, MC, DJ and beat making. 364 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:50,560 And boom, beat making, yeah, and breaking a little bit and beat making more. 365 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:56,560 So we used to, yeah, it was few, few of one. 366 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:03,560 And so who was or when was the first person that you connected with? 367 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:11,560 Like outside of that Italian circle, who was or when was the first person that you connected with? 368 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Outside, I mean in England. 369 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,560 Doesn't matter where, it could be England, it could be anywhere. 370 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Who was the first person that said, hey, I'm going to use one of your beats from somewhere else that wasn't in the Italians? 371 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,560 No, I don't know. 372 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,560 What were you saying again? 373 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:37,560 So yeah, so the first person, so at this time you're making beats for people, for rappers in Italy. 374 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,560 Yeah, just for Italian people. 375 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Just for Italian people. 376 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Yeah, in Europe, yeah, one Dutch guy. 377 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,560 Okay. 378 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,560 Heinz A. 379 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,560 Okay, okay. 380 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:58,560 He was the first one that accepted my instrumental and we did like a few albums. 381 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,560 And was that through MySpace connection or? 382 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Yeah, I think it's on MySpace, yeah. 383 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,560 I think so, MySpace, yeah. 384 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,560 Yeah. 385 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,560 A lot of people I catch on MySpace. 386 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,560 Yeah. 387 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Even some Italian people that wasn't famous before and after was like, and after now is famous, you know. 388 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,560 I was catching them on MySpace. 389 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,560 But yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure was Heinza, from Germany. 390 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:38,560 So, okay, so when it came to the time that let's say, what would you call your big break moment? 391 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:46,560 What would you call the time that you feel within yourself changed everything or was about to change everything? 392 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Yeah, in England, I think so. 393 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Yeah, in England, yeah. 394 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,560 And yeah, before was in Italy as well. 395 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,560 Yeah, first time was in Italy. 396 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:11,560 Yeah, like in I was in my town, city, and I used to go to the university in Palermo. 397 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,560 And that time, yeah, I used to get a lot of change from that. 398 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,560 From that time, yeah, for sure. 399 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:28,560 Like I know a lot of people, hip hop heads, like the good one, you know. 400 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,560 So yeah, I think so. 401 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,560 First time in Palermo, yeah, in Citi. 402 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Okay. 403 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,560 And what do you think has kind of changed now? 404 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Because obviously using MySpace and connecting to these people, you've kind of created a distribution channel for your music, right? 405 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,560 And at that time, people were still doing CDs and, you know, everything. 406 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,560 CDs were still very popular, right? 407 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:09,560 So where do you see kind of when did you realize that, hey, things are going to now be always kind of more online? 408 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,560 What's the difference between then and now? 409 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:23,560 How difficult or easy is it for you to put out music or make monetization of music from then to now? 410 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,560 What would you say is the difference? 411 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,560 So before the internet. 412 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,560 Yeah, so before internet, how hard or easy was it? 413 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Before internet too. 414 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,560 And how now? 415 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,560 This is actually to monetize what you're doing. 416 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,560 Monetize, yeah, I think so. 417 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,560 It was different. 418 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,560 Nothing bad, nothing better. 419 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,560 It was just different. 420 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,560 Just different time. 421 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Yeah, different time. 422 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Different time. 423 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,560 Because we used to sell a lot of CDs. 424 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 We used to record in the studio. 425 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,560 We used to print the CDs. 426 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:07,560 And we used to sell on the party, you know, hip hop parties in Italy. 427 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,560 So it was good money, kind of. 428 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,560 Because I was really young, you know. 429 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,560 So 15. 430 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Come on, man, 15. 431 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,560 If you sell a CD at 15, you're good, you know. 432 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,560 You did a really good job, you know. 433 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,560 Yeah, no, of course. 434 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,560 Of course. 435 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:34,560 I mean, again, if you're young and you've got an entrepreneurial and a growth mindset. 436 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,560 And people appreciated more before. 437 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,560 More people involved. 438 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Yeah, more people are interested. 439 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,560 Because you're young. 440 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Yeah, you're young and it's super new. 441 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,560 Yeah. 442 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,560 Yeah. 443 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:59,560 So there's not only a lot more hype, but people also resonate with the talent of a young person more. 444 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,560 Because we all see a young person. 445 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,560 I teach a lot of people. 446 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560 I teach even old people. 447 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,560 That time I teach them, you know. 448 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,560 A lot of people I teach. 449 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,560 About graffiti and rap and beats. 450 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,560 You cannot imagine. 451 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Yeah, trust me, man. 452 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,560 A lot. 453 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,560 Yeah, definitely. 454 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,560 Trust me. 455 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Yeah. 456 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,560 People like never rap and they come. 457 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,560 They started to come to my studio. 458 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,560 Boom. 459 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,560 One year later they're doing freestyle. 460 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,560 They can do whatever, you know. 461 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Trust me, man. 462 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,560 Crazy. 463 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:48,560 So did you ever stop doing that kind of physical monetization? 464 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,560 I mean, right now, let's just pick you up right now. 465 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:59,560 Because you just dropped a project the other day, which you did some vinyl for as well, didn't you? 466 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:08,560 So are you still looking at keeping both sides in what you're doing, physical and digital? 467 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,560 Obviously, analogic and digital. 468 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,560 Yeah. 469 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Yeah. 470 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,560 That's because analogic is like the physical part. 471 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:23,560 So it can be you appreciate more your job because it's physical. 472 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,560 It's not just digital. 473 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560 I like digital, but it's not just that. 474 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Because one day maybe you don't have a connection for a... or wherever. 475 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,560 You can only listen to the music. 476 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,560 So vinyl for sure, 100%, you're going to listen to it. 477 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,560 You know what I mean? 478 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,560 Yeah. 479 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,560 I prefer to use both of them, digital and analogic. 480 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,560 I don't prefer any of them. 481 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,560 Any of the two. 482 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,560 I appreciate both. 483 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:10,560 So what do you kind of think about where we are now in terms of the music industry 484 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:19,560 and how the industry, let's say, operates more on a streaming model at the moment? 485 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:31,560 So using Spotify and let's say DistroKid or Apple Music, the regular distributors, so on and so forth, 486 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,560 do you find that that is easier for you with... 487 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,560 And do you still feel that you have the same amount of control or does it still make the same amount of money? 488 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,560 Make you more small than big. 489 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,560 You know what I mean? 490 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,560 DistroKid makes you more small than big. 491 00:28:51,560 --> 00:29:00,560 I don't know, I want to say that DistroKid is good for people that are famous already. 492 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Just for advertising it's good. 493 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560 And why do you believe that? 494 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,560 And now we say DistroKid and Spotify as well? 495 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:21,560 Yeah, DistroKid I mean Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer, all the companies that are working with DistroKid. 496 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:31,560 I don't know, it's good service but it doesn't work for a small artist. 497 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Even for the big one it doesn't work because you cannot catch a lot of money. 498 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,560 I don't know how the service works. 499 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,560 For example, I appreciate more WavLake, for example. 500 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Now I appreciate more that website than Spotify. 501 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Everyone uses Spotify so you need to be there. 502 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,560 You know what I mean? 503 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,560 It's different, you know. 504 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:12,560 I appreciate more different platforms than the famous one. 505 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:18,560 And then you mentioned obviously just that you mentioned WavLake, right? 506 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:27,560 So Web Lake obviously is more geared towards streaming really than it is towards purchasing. 507 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,560 Because now at the moment the kind of direct-to-consumer model at the moment is leaning more towards purchasing. 508 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:43,560 So as you said, the physicals, so people are buying the vinyls or they're buying a digital download or they're buying a cassette even, you know, people are doing as well, right? 509 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,560 Or a CD. 510 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:56,560 So would you say that kind of there is almost a point where we're coming to now where the older streaming platforms will, 511 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:07,560 they're going to have to start dealing better with the artists because the artists are leaving because we're seeing like, what is it, Spotify and TikTok war. 512 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:18,560 I was speaking to Nat Nye again and I was saying that Apple had just recently had this ruling in Europe where they now have to put, 513 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:24,560 you're allowed to put your website link to sell on your website on Apple Music now. 514 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,560 So do you think that things are coming back around to where the artists themselves, 515 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:40,560 I will get into WavLake in a second, but with the artists themselves are now taking more control, they're starting to realise that they have more control? 516 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, the artists, yeah, they get more control now of the music. 517 00:31:52,560 --> 00:32:00,560 I mean, yeah, independent, yeah. 518 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Yeah, today, for example, you can be independent artists and, you know, I use wherever a service is gone for a moment. 519 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:23,560 That's it. Yeah. So you can, you're free to choose basically, which platform you do and you're free to also build your own platform as well. 520 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,560 Oh, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 521 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:36,560 It's completely free now. It's completely free, but at the same time, it's difficult to learn the technological, 522 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,560 because you have to learn, you know, maybe how to use it or how to build. Yeah. 523 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:52,560 You know, like if you are artists, you cannot create the platform for the artists. It's complicated. 524 00:32:52,560 --> 00:33:03,560 So then would you say that there still is a barrier where you have to either collaborate with other people who have the skills set that you don't, 525 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:17,560 or then you still have to have the money? I mean, whereas before you almost always need to have the money because the people who had the skill set were not available to find, you know, or it was harder to find people to collaborate with. 526 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:29,560 Yeah. So you mean, what you mean? So I'm saying like before it was harder to find somebody who you can work together harder to actually even work together. 527 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:38,560 So before, for example, in Sicily, if you put, yeah, we used to recognize us for the clothing. 528 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:47,560 Yeah. You know, if you were like, if you were, you were, it was like hip hop for sure. 529 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,560 Yeah, yeah. If you were wearing certain types of... 530 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:59,560 So someone that looks hip hop, I go in there and try to talk with him and get more knowledge, you know. Yeah, of course. 531 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Before it was, before internet was like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny you say that. Yeah, go on, go on, go on. 532 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:31,560 Now is, now is if you are an artist, you think like I need to control more of my content, OK? My beats, my content, I need to, you know, I want to control more and learn how can be spread. 533 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:40,560 Yes, spread. So distribution and then monetization basically. OK. Yeah. So that's, that's, yeah. Yeah. So then... 534 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:56,560 We are in a struggle for monetizing the content. Yeah, it's completely, especially for a hip hop underground like us, like, you know, it's completely difficult. 535 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:13,560 In London, it's super difficult. So monetizing even on the live show or wherever is very hard, you know. Yeah, man. So try a different way. 536 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:31,560 So you just, yeah, try a different way. So you just said there about monetizing on live shows. So is that, is that also like been a part of what your monetization strategy has been? So physical, bit of digital and then live performance, which is generally the artist package. 537 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:41,560 Yeah, isn't it? Right. Because all the artists or the producers are trying to get into a place where they have those free, because those are, let's say, the free. 538 00:35:41,560 --> 00:36:02,560 So when you talked about Wav Lake, right? Yeah. Yeah. What was, what was the difference that you saw in your experience with using WavLake, even though you've just really started using it, right? What is your difference that you see? Hey, Wav Lake was this is what I saw I could do in WavLake that I can't do here. 539 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:19,560 I can't do in Spotify, for example, or Apple. WavLake working really fast, I think. Working fast and yeah, it's perfect service. Kind of. 540 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:43,560 Because, you know, like maybe in the future there is like maybe a better than WavLake. But for a moment, WavLake is like faster than everyone, you know, and can give you straight away like information, more information about your content, your, you know, about the platform, how it's working. 541 00:36:43,560 --> 00:37:05,560 So yeah, for example, the people can leave the comments, you know, leave the comment and for doing this one, you need to pay like some sats and they put like whatever they want. 542 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:29,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's working good. So, so, so, so what you're finding is that the way that that WavLake allows you to first of all connect very easy. So it's not hard to set up very easy. Yeah, but then it enables you to to engage or people to engage in the way that they would like to. 543 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:43,560 And then when you talk about speed, you mean from the aspect of speed for you to be able to set up and speed for you to let's say receive any kind of monetary monetizing and use as well. 544 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:55,560 I saw a lot of views there. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So people discovery because first time they've seen you before. Yeah. Yeah. Smaller, smaller base of people. Yeah. But more recognition, right? Because, yeah, yeah. 545 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:07,560 Yeah, yeah. Like I did the more views and YouTube, for example, and YouTube. There is a lot of people, you know, all the world working in YouTube. 546 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:29,560 But in the end, my my video on YouTube is like 40 views, for example, in two months. And for example, in a platform like special platform for special artists or something like working like really, really good. 547 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:53,560 Yeah, yeah. Much better. You can be rich. One day you can be rich. You know, you know, you know. So again, it's all about it's all about how bright. So what you're saying is overall, you saw that people on the new monetization models and alternatives monitored the sites that are coming out that are more fairer to the artists. 548 00:38:53,560 --> 00:39:13,560 The people are on there that are the fans. They appreciate the stuff more because it's almost basically like direct to consumer. But you just have a platform that is a service that helps you to get more visibility, basically, you know, or maybe in a in wavelength sense, like monetize a little bit. 549 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:31,560 But we already know that in most of these platforms in, let's say, the decentralized space in the Bitcoin space, right, we can, anyone can build anything. So you can take Wav Lake and build a new Wav Lake tomorrow, right, and make have different features or whatever. 550 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:38,560 And you can create your own, you know, something that some of the listeners to this podcast. 551 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:47,560 Yeah, service. I mean, service. Yeah, yeah. Because the other one that we talked about was a good service. 552 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,560 If you create a good service, it's alright for the people. 553 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:58,560 The artist is much better for the artist. They feel comfortable, more comfortable. 554 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:12,560 The other one that we talked about was the Fountain app, yeah. So Fountain was, is the podcast, the podcast 2.0 app, again, big up to Fountain. Definitely build up yourselves. 555 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:19,560 And if you're listening or watching on any Bitcoin based platform, they got to yourself as well. 556 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:32,560 So, so Fountain, I showed you about the Fountain app and the way how you can actually build that infrastructure for yourself. 557 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:45,560 So you can, you know, set up a Bitcoin node, run that and then run your own podcast application, DJ show, whatever you wanted to do on there. 558 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:55,560 And then build your own monetization infrastructure, even have other people submit, you know, like WavLake, their stuff and, you know, build your own complete infrastructure. 559 00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:03,560 And that does not cost a lot at all because to set up a Bitcoin node is a few hundred quid, right? Yeah. 560 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:10,560 So it doesn't cost a lot at all for you to get now involved and then to have your own complete infrastructure. 561 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:30,560 So what you're saying is that after using Wav Lake, what you are able to understand is that if you want to build your own industry, you can just come here, put some stuff here, get people to know who you are, 562 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:49,560 and then learn more and learn how to build your own industry, your own pocket and, you know, have the full control, not only just over the music, not only just over your masters, 563 00:41:49,560 --> 00:42:03,560 not only just over your contracts in or but also over the way you are paid. Right. And when you get paid as well. 564 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:21,560 So that's very important to obviously any artists, right? But why do you think that people don't take the further step of taking this into their own hands and controlling their own music? Do you think it's laziness? 565 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:36,560 Do you think people don't understand? Yeah, they don't understand. They don't want to understand. Yeah, obviously people, they're not interested in this. 566 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:51,560 It's ignorant, still ignorant. I don't know. Yeah, what do you think? Yeah, one day I can, you know, maybe I can show them something, but yeah, if they want to learn, OK, it's OK, it's fine. 567 00:42:51,560 --> 00:43:10,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, I think the majority of the community is kind of is lazy, very lazy to understand, not to understand. 568 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:26,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just to make it clear as well to everybody watching, right. So, yeah, you've just recently actually started learning about Bitcoin and using it and just learning how it works. 569 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:40,560 And in that first, let's say, few days or first times that you started watching stuff and learning, because you told me also that you had some friends who were into Bitcoin some time ago. 570 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:53,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So tell that story. Tell the story about how you got, you first heard about Bitcoin and why now you've kind of come back around to, hey, this could actually be useful, because that was good that we had that conversation, you know, before. 571 00:43:53,560 --> 00:44:17,560 Because I'm like an art worker, graphic designer. I used to study in the University of Art. So, you know, it was like, yeah, some of my friends, first time he told me like, yeah, put some money on Bitcoin is good, you know, gonna grow. 572 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:44,560 But he didn't told me nothing, just this. So I told him, I don't know, like, sure. I wasn't sure. And after my brothers told me like, no, don't use, don't use, you know, like, but, you know, like I used to studying so like a graph, graphic, I did graphic. 573 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:55,560 And yeah, I saw some website that you can sell your graphic, your web, your designer for, you know, for NFTs. 574 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:07,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, NFTs and after Ethereum, you know, like with Ethereum, you can sell all Bitcoin, you can sell your art. 575 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:16,560 So it was interesting for me, you know, that time was interesting. Like, finally, I can do some money on the internet. 576 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:41,560 Because, you know, like in internet, you just like order a CD or the vinyl, you order some, you know, physical thing. But before wasn't like that before, you know, before was like a service that you can spend digital currency. 577 00:45:41,560 --> 00:46:06,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so so we are saying is, in essence, we didn't have the usability of money prior to that time, as well as we do now with things like Bitcoin, or Bitcoin itself, we don't have, we didn't have that before before we had yes, we had electronic cash like these are debit card, whatever. 578 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:15,560 But, but you know, there was always some difficulty prior to that for you to either receive money, or for people to even want to pay money. 579 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:40,560 Yeah, super difficult, you to wait a long time for, for, you know, receiving Bitcoin or open maybe a wallet, I don't know, something, you know, that was slow. Even four years ago, like five years ago, was like slow, still was, you know, was still slow, some service. 580 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,560 So yeah, now it's completely fast. Now it's very good. 581 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:59,560 And the funny thing about that right is obviously there's been a lot of things here happening, obviously in Bitcoin recently that's slowed things down. And, you know, made things kind of. 582 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:13,560 But those things are also good because, you know, you know, as we've seen, you know, with the Ghostface Killah drop and stuff, people are, the Ordinals thing is bringing more people back to, hey, we should kind of, you know, do stuff with Bitcoin. 583 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:33,560 So even though we have a bit of slow period, as you said, you know, like, I think when you're talking about, you know, five, six years ago, that probably would have been around the same time that, you know, like we had, you know, this, this argument with the block wars and where Capra was, was, was put into Bitcoin and, you know, had the block size war. 584 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:47,560 So you're right. It's a similar time period now where things have got blocked up and congested again kind of. And then, you know, but it's all for another cause of building something else on Bitcoin. 585 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:57,560 And now we're seeing it start to ease up again. So more people are now starting to realize because more people are using it and now people are using it for art, you know, so people. 586 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,560 So, yeah, so definitely. 587 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,560 Yeah, it's very good. 588 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:14,560 So listen, yeah, as well, right before we move on to another piece here, like you guys might have noticed here that we had, we had like, tell us about the equipment that you're using right now because you're, you swear by this box, don't you? 589 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:32,560 Right. Yeah. And, and I've seen a lot of guys using this. You know, you should already know who it is, right? But, but just introduce what you've got here. Yeah. What you brought along with you. And is this what you use mostly to make your music these days? 590 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,560 Yeah, definitely. 591 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,560 Much smaller than an S2000. 592 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,560 Yeah. 593 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:49,560 No, no, no, I don't think so. Because this one is very easy to use. That one was hard, you know, was very hard. 594 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,560 Yeah. I spent a lot of time. 595 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560 Zip drive, zip drive. 596 00:48:53,560 --> 00:49:01,560 It's working like similar. So yeah, it's like I used to learn proper good, you know, from that old machine. 597 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:17,560 Now I can do easy here, you know, I can do very easy. I used to just learn one week this machine and after I can do whatever I want. 598 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:35,560 So before we get into it, yeah, real quickly. What, what, what, who have you worked with? Who would you like to like shout out that you've worked with or that was really, really memorable to work with that really put you on, you know, like artists that you've worked with? 599 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,560 And who, who maybe would you like to work with? 600 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:51,560 You mean my career, music career? In terms of yeah, beat making or? Beat making or? Or as a producer. Or a rapper. As a producer, more as a beat maker. Because that's your focus right now. 601 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,560 Ah yeah, yeah. What do you mean, Italian or? 602 00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,560 Anywhere, anywhere. So just shout out, let us know some of the people you've worked with. Like famous one or? 603 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:15,560 Famous, not famous, it doesn't. What ones are really memorable? In UK I want to shout out like Lewis Parker. You know, Lewis Parker, very good beat maker. Legend, legend. 604 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:32,560 And yeah, American one, I think so...Madlib, J Dilla, Pete Rock, Premier and Alchemist. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, in Italy we go a lot of, you know, very good ones. 605 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:50,560 There is like the last one was Ice One. I meet Ice One. DJ Ice One from Rome. Yeah, he's good man, he's very good producer as well. Next one, I remember the next one in Turin, very super dope producer. 606 00:50:50,560 --> 00:51:03,560 And Stokka from Palermo, yeah, Drass. They teach me something, you know. So yeah, very good producer. They was like really good producer. 607 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:09,560 And what about artists? Artists were around the world. 608 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:23,560 Anyone you've worked with? Jamba, Jamba. My friend Jamba, rest in peace, you know, because he's not anymore here. He was like super good rapper from Italy. Yeah, yeah. 609 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:40,560 Matt Barty, Big Aspano and they from Sicily. And after, you know, like the most famous one was like Neffa, Kaos, Sangue Misso, Deada, DJ Graff, Italian one. 610 00:51:40,560 --> 00:52:00,560 And yeah, American one, like Griselda now. Before it was like Kool G Rap and, you know, Non Phixion. Yeah, you know, people like that, people like that. 611 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:13,560 Yeah, that's it, man. It's like a Spanish rapper and producer that they, you know, they show me something, how they work. They're really good. 612 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:22,560 What is the name? I don't remember the name. Yeah, Jäger Boi from Spain. Jäger Boi, shout out. Jäger Boi, man. 613 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:32,560 All right. So before we quickly, we're going to, so, so guys, we're going to quickly just go into some live beat making from Akme here. 614 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:42,560 But before we jump into that Akme, just quickly, what is the name of your latest project and where can people find it? 615 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:59,560 Yeah, it's a double capital A. The name is, yeah, it's EP with the air creeps. You can find it like in Bandcamp, Akmebeats.bandcamp.com. 616 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:06,560 Yeah, you can find that and every platform now is Spotify, whatever. 617 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,560 Okay. All right, guys, I'm going to have to take you away to some of this. 618 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:18,560 Cheese. Thank you. Thank you so much. Let's go. 619 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:30,560 Apologies for the short interruption, but we just like to take this moment to say a sincere thanks and appreciation for you tuning in and listening to the Sovereign Music podcast. 620 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:39,560 Please remember to like, share, comment and such to get the message out there. Own your mastery. 621 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:48,560 Due to unforeseen technical issues, we were unable to get audio of Akme producing and playing some of his beats. 622 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:58,560 But if you head over to the Coinscrum YouTube channel, you'll be able to find the Sovereign Music podcast playlist where you can watch the full video 623 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:06,560 and watch to the end where we catch up with Akme at his studio. Now back to the podcast. Thank you very much. 624 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:25,560 Sounding, sounding, sounding tough, tough, tough, tough. So what I'm saying is, yeah, like in this time now that you was, as I said, like, you know, been making music in recent years, 625 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:40,560 you've been, as you said, looking at doing more collaboration with artists, as many collaboration as possible and putting out as much stuff as possible. 626 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:51,560 So how do you think it's like changing for how do you think it's changing for the artists on an international scale? 627 00:54:51,560 --> 00:55:07,560 So with all of the different people from all of the different regions across the world, do you think that it is now going to become a lot more widespread that artists are going to take control? 628 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:13,560 As we said earlier, that artists want to take control and that platforms are kind of making it easier. 629 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:24,560 But do you think that people, artists are going to take control and then do you think that people will kind of get back to that mindset of paying for music? 630 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,560 Yeah. 631 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,560 Like paying for good music? 632 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,560 What do you mean? 633 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:34,560 So what I'm saying is, do you think with all the technology and the reach nowadays people are going to get back? 634 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:43,560 People are more, now the people get the service for pay the artists directly. 635 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,560 Yeah. Yeah. So do you think, what I'm saying is, right. 636 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:53,560 So do you think that's going to get more now because more and more artists are starting to realise that they can. 637 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,560 So people are going to, do you think people will be forced to have to pay? 638 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:06,560 Like Facebook, my space, before it was my space after Facebook, kind of, you know, the same thing. 639 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:15,560 But yeah, the people need to understand that they can take the control of the money, of the. 640 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:21,560 But not only that, I'm talking from a fan's perspective though, from a fan's perspective. 641 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,560 Yeah. 642 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,560 Do you think that if musicians do this that fans might say. 643 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:38,560 If you are really fans, you get like a lot of different way now for spend, give the money at your favourite parts. 644 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:48,560 There is many ways, you know, there is like a ticket for a live concert, there is digital tickets, you know. 645 00:56:48,560 --> 00:57:03,560 So digital service, there is like a WavLake service that you can put a comment, you can pay whatever you want. 646 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,560 You know. 647 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,560 So it's just. 648 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,560 So really what you're saying is. 649 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,560 The problem is not the fan. 650 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,560 The problem. 651 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,560 I think so. 652 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,560 Yeah. So you reckon the fans are going to support it. 653 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,560 The people, they create the service. 654 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,560 Yeah. And the musicians are not using. 655 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:29,560 So what you're saying is the musicians are not using all of the tools at their own disposal to get their music out there. 656 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:34,560 What they're doing is they're relying on Spotify, Apple Music, so on and so forth. 657 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,560 But they can have another option if they want to. 658 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,560 And they should do because the fans should then. 659 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,560 The fans would then respect that basically in the long term. 660 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,560 Is that what you're saying? 661 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:58,560 Yeah, because they get the opportunity of give your favorite artists give some sex or Bitcoin or whatever. 662 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,560 So. So. So again. 663 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,560 Yeah. Start from the artists for sure. 664 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,560 But the fan follow the artist. 665 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:16,560 So if the artist say like it's better now use Bitcoin. 666 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,560 The fan going to use Bitcoin. 667 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,560 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. 668 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,560 All right. Boom. So. So before we wrap up. 669 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,560 Yeah. If you follow. 670 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,560 If you follow. So you said it at the right time. 671 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,560 If you follow. Right. 672 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:42,560 So I'm saying is let the people know where they can follow you and find you. 673 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,560 And yeah, like, hey, if you're listening to this, 674 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,560 sovereign music podcast on any of the podcasts and two point old platforms, 675 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:57,560 Akme is got albums upon albums and he's still putting more stuff up that is available on Wav Lake. 676 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,560 So make sure or wave Lake. I know as you said, 677 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,560 but make sure that you go there and you support what he's doing. 678 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,560 Definitely. 100 percent. 679 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:13,560 Wav Lake and camp and after Spotify, the other service, you know, audio. 680 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,560 Well, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 681 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,560 Yeah. Whatever service you need, we get, you know, we already get. 682 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,560 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 683 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:29,560 All right. So. So listen, people, we're going to fade you out with like a little bit more music from Akme. 684 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,560 And we will see you on the next episode of the sovereign music podcast. 685 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,560 We are out soon. 686 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:46,560 Yo, yo, so so back here with Akme Beats, the house. 687 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,560 Yeah, we had that trouble with the, you know, thanks for watching to the end. 688 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:56,560 If you're seeing this festival because we had that trouble with the audio from the last session. 689 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,560 So we couldn't get this whole piece of, you know, 690 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,560 Akme showcases all of the material that he's made and and what he's doing. 691 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,560 So before we'll just give you a lot that little flavor. 692 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:13,560 I came to link Akme here in a secret location in his work place of work. 693 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,560 Yeah. You know, where the vibes come from. 694 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:21,560 So so yeah, but Akme, how you been, man? You're even good. Yeah. Yeah, we're good. 695 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:26,560 No. Yeah. She mean, you know, in the studio here, make beats. 696 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,560 You know. Yeah. Like I always like every day. Yeah. 697 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:36,560 You like to create something. That's it. Sure. That is it. 698 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:42,560 So again, just as a special bit of bonus, because we didn't get that piece, 699 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:48,560 was going to run through some Akme's, you know, joints, listen to some of that. 700 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,560 And, you know, then we'll get to talking about again, 701 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:56,560 some of the stuff that you've been doing because, you know, you've been doing quite a lot since, 702 01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,560 you know, we last spoke and we recorded the actual episode. 703 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,560 So, yeah, bro, whenever you're ready, man, let's get into it. 704 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,560 Can you let the people kind of know what your your tools of the trade are? 705 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,560 Like, we don't want to let any secrets go. But, you know, come on. 706 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:18,560 Yeah, you can see he's like the Roland SP404, the new one. 707 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,560 Yeah, for a moment I can I can chill with that. 708 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,560 You know, I can do with this is like a modern machine. 709 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,560 But yeah, on the same time, it's good. You know, it's good. 710 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,560 It's good to learn. It's good to create. You know, bro. 711 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:42,560 So, yeah. All right. So some of that shit, man. It's cool. 712 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:30,560 All right. 713 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:09,520 So, yeah, boom, boom, ba, ba, ba, ba. So, so what do you say that like, what's your 714 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,840 like kind of regular workflow? Like before you had the Roland, what was you, what was 715 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,840 you using mostly then? 716 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:25,160 Yeah, I've been using like analogic machine like the old one, Akai S2000 and yeah, the 717 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,760 MPC 2500 and Roland SP 606. 718 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:36,160 Okay, okay. So what makes you, what made you switch to this, to this box that you're using 719 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:42,360 now? I mean, from my perspective, personally, I've seen that it seems like it's a lot of 720 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,560 fun effects in there in comparison to the MPC. 721 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:54,160 Yeah, yeah. And it's good to do DJ sets as well. You can do like a DJ set. 722 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,160 Oh shit. 723 01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:02,160 Yeah, it's crazy. It's like DJ mode here and you can, yeah, whatever you want to, you want 724 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:11,160 to mix it, you know, you get like, I got like a lot of instrumental here that I did already. 725 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:19,160 And yeah, and I can like do like a DJ set with only this one, you know, so it's like 726 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,160 a new shit, you know. 727 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:26,160 So Roland, if you're listening, my boy here, you know, needs a discount on the Roland right 728 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:34,160 now. Yeah, like at me beat show. So listen, yeah, what, what, what other projects have 729 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:39,160 you got like lined up? Cause I know, you know, people who have watched the, the full interview 730 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,160 were already seeing that we spoke about some of the projects and some of the things he 731 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:47,160 was doing. So what have you been up to recently since then and what kind of stuff have you 732 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,160 got kind of coming in the next couple of weeks, months? 733 01:09:50,160 --> 01:10:00,160 Yeah, we, we put already out like the hooks from hooks thrown off the, off deck with Air 734 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:11,160 klipz and SilverGray. It's already out on whatever, WavLake, Spotify, and I did some 735 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:19,160 animation for Gamma as well, special edition. And yeah, the next one should be next project. 736 01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:31,160 It should be Swab and Akme. Yeah. And yeah, we, we already get like the mix and mastering. 737 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:39,160 So a couple of weeks and we get out with this album. 738 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,160 And just also like, just to touch on what we were talking about earlier, like when we 739 01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,160 were in the studio before, we didn't get to showcase any art. So is there any kind of 740 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:53,160 like, do you want to show maybe one of your pieces maybe? Because we talked a little bit 741 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,160 about, you know, you doing art and you can see this wonderful mural that you've got in 742 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:03,160 the background. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I can show you some vinyl pieces that you've worked 743 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:13,160 on. Some vinyl arts, you know. Or yeah, I do like a graphic design. But yeah, we do 744 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:19,160 t-shirts, you know, most of the time we do like graphic for t-shirts. So yeah, I did 745 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:27,160 this one for me. Sick man. And all of this stuff you want to... Yeah, you can find like 746 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:38,160 on Bandcamp, 100% for UK and in Europe we get like one website, we use one website that 747 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:50,160 yeah, get the service for us. It's a CUC shop. Yeah. Yeah, only in Europe and Italy. And 748 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:58,160 part of the, part of what we were saying as well earlier was, you know, you kind of transitioning 749 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,160 like you're really kind of like, since we obviously got a last interview, you've done 750 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:08,160 a lot of digging and research and you're really like kind of ready to jump into like, you 751 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:16,160 know, doing stuff with Bitcoin and putting all of these skills to work in the Bitcoin 752 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:25,160 world. So, you know. Yeah, for sure man. This is like an opportunity for me and for everyone, 753 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:42,160 you know, to jump in a new platform and monetizing your, you know, your content. Yeah. Good to 754 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:49,160 learn and good to know. And yeah, there is a lot of good service there and especially 755 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:59,160 for the music artists. So yeah, those things though. We follow WavLake, Gamma for a moment. 756 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:08,160 I'm, you know, I'm really comfortable with that. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah, 757 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:14,160 man. All right, man. So listen, Akme, big up again for inviting us down and letting us, 758 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:19,160 you know, into a quick little sneak preview. Big up to all the people that watched the 759 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:25,160 whole entire interview because only if you watch to the end, you know, if you skipped, 760 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:31,160 you need to go back a bit, you know, like to catch some of like what Akme just answered 761 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:36,160 there as well, you know, with his kind of him learning, you know, just like, you know, 762 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,160 not too far back, you know, he was just thinking about doing this stuff, you know, with Bitcoin 763 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:45,160 and he's active and he's got in there and he's just started doing it. So Akme again, 764 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:54,160 man. Big up to you and yeah, man. Shout out to all the viewers. Shout out to Runt Life 765 01:13:54,160 --> 01:14:07,160 family and yeah, Airklipz, Swavo, G.O.L.D, SilverGray and Cracker Jhon and many, many, 766 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:17,160 many more like Slippy Skills, Nerspaz, Yorandaj. Bang, bang. Gone people. Let's get it. 767 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:49,160 Thank you.