I love the fact that the suplex in the beginning
is me suplexing a very chubby JP O 'Reilly through
a door. Now I'm just slightly chubby JP O 'Reilly.
Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm trying to get there myself.
Cat already broke shit. We've been on for three
seconds. He was already breaking stuff over there.
I guess I'll do the intro anyways. Welcome to
the First Session Podcast. I'm Big Cat. A new
mic, sadly. Welcome, welcome, welcome to another
episode of Per Sessions Wrestling Podcast. I'm
your host, the main of main, Big Cat Tyler Adams,
where you can catch us live every Friday night
p .m. Eastern Standard Time. Of course, you can't
catch us live. You can always catch us on every
audio platform, but you don't get the whole show.
If you want the whole show, you're going to have
to watch it live on YouTube. And tonight, I am
joined by Dylan Nix of Nautical Nightmare and,
of course, the hardcore maniac J .P. O 'Reilly.
JP, we missed you last week. Yeah, I know. It's
been a rough couple weeks. Yeah. You don't have
to go into detail, but we wanted to hear the
story of you having to drive Matt Riddle. God,
I drove Riddle and Calisto. Yeah, how did that
go? It was fun. It was an interesting ride. I
picked them up at the Bangor International Airport,
and they were coming from one of the... I think
Riddle was coming from Florida, and Calisto was
coming out of North Carolina, I'm pretty sure.
And they both were on the same flight, so they
both got there at the same time. And I had Calisto's
number so he could talk to me as he was getting
out of the airport. We get into... come out of
the airport, get in the car. As soon as Matt
comes out of the door, it was a very windy day
that day, so the wind was blustering right through
the terminal. And he walks out through the sliding
door, and you see, I didn't realize how tall
he was. He's taller than me. And he just walks
out, and he goes, he's like 100, 200 feet down
the aisle, and he goes, what the fuck? and flip
-flops with no socks on. I'm like, I'm having
flashbacks to picking up Cruel in the middle
of February and he was wearing short shorts.
And I was like, what the fuck is happening? And
then Kalisto bundled up in a snowsuit -like jacket
and I was like, this man came prepared. Kalisto
totally looked at the weather and went, I'm going
to wear it. It's going to be what? Breaking news.
LA Night Mystery opponent. Is Matt Cardona, but
it's not Matt Cardona. Wait, is he Zack Ryder?
Is it Zack Ryder? It's Woo Woo Woo. Oh my god,
that is awesome. Please tell me about the radio.
It looks like it if it's the same background.
You can see the glasses and stuff in the background.
Dude, he's typing Ryder on him. That's awesome.
Dude, that is awesome. And he's doing the pose
and all. That was a great show tonight, guys.
We'll catch you guys later. We're going to go
watch SmackDown. We're going to go watch SmackDown.
There was LA and Zack Ryder together. So too
similar. It's weird. well it's like i was saying
last week like i don't watch her on smackdown
anymore i did it's like eh there's so much i
watch all the good stuff i watch monday night
just because i for the longest for like six years
could not watch live wrestling because of my
work schedule working at the tv station so as
of this year i'm like oh my god i can actually
sit down and watch ron as it's live. And now
it's Netflix, so it's just more convenient being
on the app and whatever. I don't have to worry
about cable or whatever. And it's the only show
that I consistently watch every Monday that I've
had since February. So it's been kind of nice
to be able to just sit down and be able to watch
it live instead of watching reactions or watching
quick clips. And then the pay -per -views and
everything like that, I'll be able to watch on
the weekends because I'm already home. Do you
think they're going to switch it from Netflix
to ESPN? Not until the Netflix deal is over because
Netflix just started in January. After their
contract is up. It depends on how well they do
with that ESPN deal. I'm going to be the asshole.
I want everything back on ESPN. I want everything
back on Star Wars. I want everything back on
USA, and I want everything back on freaking the
WWE Network. I want to pay $9 .99 a month to
be able to watch all my stuff. It's $1 ,000 a
month to buy everything for WWE. Fuck that shit.
Well, that's another thing. I don't understand
why they didn't do that to begin with. They didn't
just do their own network and say, if you want
to watch wrestling, you've got to pay $10 or
$20 a month to get both Raw and SmackDown and
NXT only on our network. She's been fine. I'm
sorry. I'm still caught up right now on the fact
that Cardona came out of Zack Ryder because the
fact that he literally went on interviews and
said, oh, Zack Ryder's dead, and then comes out
and he basically sold out on this shit. No, because
he's actually said, and I've heard him do interviews,
every Royal Rumble season, he has two pairs of
tights made. He has a Matt Cardona set and a
Zack Ryder set. Literally, he says he's always
ready to go. If they give him a call and they're
like, yo, we want Zack Ryder for this Rumble,
he's like, cool. He slips up to Zack Ryder's
knee pads and trunks and he's like, I'm ready
to go. Let's go. It's kind of like when we got
Jiving Jimmy back for that one show. Always two
pairs of tights ready to go. Have we had that
show? That's the next show, isn't it? No. Didn't
it already happen? I thought it already happened.
No, I thought it was the next MEW show. Because
it was supposed to be the last one, but it got
cancelled. I think it's the next one. I thought
it already happened. Too many canceled events.
Anyways. Oh, I never finished my Matt Riddle
story. Yeah, finish your Matt Riddle story. Anyways,
yeah, we got in the car. And me, like, obviously
knowing Riddle's history and past, I'm just like,
man, he's probably going to want to go to the
dispensary or something. Because we're in a state
where there's as many dispensaries as there are
Dunkin' Donuts in Massachusetts. There's one
in every fucking corner. Exactly. We get in.
God forbid you have flavored tobacco in Bangor,
though. God forbid. God forbid. Right, exactly.
Yeah, flavored tobacco is bad, guys. Small chit
-chat, chit -chat, whatever, and he's talking
about his flight, and just the first things out
of Matt's mouth, because it's just how Matt Riddle
talks. He talks just like he does in his gimmick.
He lives his gimmick fully. And he's just telling
me, he's like, you know, some of the women out
here in these flights, they got some sort of
look. And I was like, really? And he goes, yeah,
I didn't say it was a good look, but it was some
sort of look, and it was kind of honestly terrifying
as hell. I was like, damn. He's like, no, there's
some nice looking chicks out here. And then we
started getting into conversations about just...
uh living like economy up here versus down there
and like i was telling him like yeah there's
plenty of land up here to buy you could buy land
up here for dirt cheap like it's cheaper to buy
land up here than to rent or buy a house at this
rate and like he's sitting there and he's like
listening to me talk and he just goes you know
that doesn't sound like a bad idea he's like
maybe i talk to my wife maybe we can move up
here and i was like oh wait a minute hold on
just like wife, girlfriend. He said wife, and
then, dude, that's where the stem of the conversation
just keeps going. He told me he has five kids
with, like, four different baby mamas. I'm like,
Jesus Christ, man. Is he working you, or is he
serious? No, he does. He showed me pictures of
his kids. He's Stefan Diggs, bro. Except he's
not having... Babies with Cardi B or Nicki Minaj
or Beyonce or whatever. Beyonce. He's doing it
with some of them women down there, I guess.
He has five kids. His oldest is an adult and
his youngest is probably just out of diapers.
He's got a wide range. He's also 39. I was going
to say, he's like ours. He's turning 40 this
year or next year. I was like, all right, boys,
you need anything before we go? He just looks
at me and goes, can we go to the dispensary?
I was like, absolutely. We can go wherever you
want. Please tell me you looked at him and go,
which one? Before I could, he actually, when
they were sitting and taxiing into the airport,
he actually was looking up dispensaries, and
he goes, I saw this one that's not that far from
here. It's called Foe King. And he's like, yeah,
I'm only picking that because it just says Foe
King, and that's fucking hilarious. So I'm like,
great. So we went over there to do the Outer
Hammond. a road and we go over there i almost
couldn't find it because on the back end of uh
one of those tire warehouse buildings it's just
like way back in the middle and no you couldn't
see it from the road and um so we go there i
don't go inside because i'm just like i don't
do any other shit like this whatever so him and
calisto go in and uh they go they are in there
for, I want to say, 25, almost 30 minutes. And
I'm like, what the fuck are they doing in there?
There's no way. And that's what I thought. So
out comes Kalisto. He doesn't come out with anything.
And I'm like, why the fuck is he in there then?
Out comes Matt. Matt has like five fucking bags
with him. And he gets in the car and he goes,
yeah, they had this fucking dab rig for 50 bucks.
They had this deal for buy three, get two free.
And it was like, I was like, oh, but I'm like,
how are you going to get any of... He had like
five bags. I go, how are you going to bring all
that shit with you back home? And he goes, brother,
I'm going to use all this shit before I get out
of there. I'm like, Jesus Christ. It's going
to be gone by the time he gets back. And no,
what he said, though, is that he ships things
to his house all the time when he travels. So
he probably packaged up the dab rig and mailed
it out to his house. Yeah, I probably did that.
But the other stuff, he had was just consumable
so like he had consumed at some point in 24 hours
less than 24 hours oh my god that sounds like
my wife the shit that he got and at one point
he he got some sort of dab stuff for his pen
that he had and he had smoked almost the entire
fucking pen before we got to august i was like
jesus the window was down like the whole fucking
ride so so we leave the fucking um the the dispensary
and i was like all right do you guys want to
get any food before we leave before we go down
and he's like yeah yeah we'll go get some food
and like by the time i decided this i already
was like crossing the 395 95 threshold so i was
like fuck i was like we're not even going to
be going towards bangor i was already on 395
on 95 at this point so i was like all right we're
gonna go stop at dice arts because that's fucking
iconic you know we'll do that so go to we go
to dice arts pull in and matt's just looking
at the place and he goes this is like a fucking
truck stop but i was like yeah this is actually
like main's like most notable like truck stop
and shit like that he goes oh shit we're at a
fucking landmark i know he's just like over exaggerating
everything and i'm like what the fuck dude's
great but he's just like he's out of his fucking
mind the way he's talking So we go into Dice
Arts. Kalisto has been talking this whole time,
too. Chill as fuck, dude. Very fluent in English.
I was surprised at how well his English was.
I have to ask one question because I'm very curious.
Was Kalisto in Gimmick? He was not. He did not
come to the airport in Gimmick. He was all just
as himself. Let's say Dorado did that to us on
a show where he was out of Gimmick and we had
no idea it was him. If he wasn't with Matt Riddle,
I wouldn't have fucking known it was him coming
out of the fucking door. Because he texted me
and was like, yeah, me and Matt are walking out
through the terminal door. And I see a dude in
a puff coat with aviator glasses on. You can
tell he's Spanish and Mexican. Then you see six
foot fucking five. bright -ass purple fucking
hair, red bright puma track suit and fucking
flip -flops walk out. And when fucking Matt walks,
I didn't notice this until we walked into Dice
Arts. I turned around, and Riddle is doing the
fucking walk that he does to the ring in his
entrances. Like, the fucking wide fucking...
I'm not fucking kidding. And I almost had to
look away and chuckle because he literally was
walking like... Like this. I was like, what the
fuck is he doing, dude? Did he have a signed
contract with like WWE where he's allowed to
smoke weed? At the time, I don't think so. I
don't know how he got away with smoking weed
and not getting fucking like hit with it. Well,
this policy actually took weed out of it actually
a few years back. oh okay i don't know if he
was still with them at that point but uh he um
mayer and he told me this story uh he's the reason
why randy orton smokes weed now yeah he goes
he goes randy would never touched a single fucking
drug in his life until he met me and then when
he met me i shared a pen with him once and he
looked at me and like you can imagine orton's
expression Remember the fucking episode of one
of the shows where, like, he's fucking wafting
his fucking nose, and he, like, smells that shit,
and he, like, calls it out? That was him, essentially,
the first time he ever sniffed it, and he took
a hit once from Matt Riddle, and from then on,
every time him and Matt Riddle ever were, you
know, doing, like, they were tag team champs
and whatever, he would always bring him fucking
supplies. So, and he's like, yeah, I'm the reason
why Orton gets high all the time now. I'm like,
that's fucking wild, dude. Can you tell these
stories, by the way, before we continue? Can
we tell these stories? I think so. He didn't
say I couldn't say any. There were a few. All
of a sudden, Randy Orton's on the phone like,
hey, guys. Now, there was a few things he told
me. He was like, oh, this stays between us. I
won't discuss those. But yeah, we went into Dice
Arts and we went to grab food. I walk into the
place with them and I was like, yeah, so all
your food and shit's over there. He looks at
me and goes, oh, you're giving us the whole grand
tour. And I was like, it's just a fucking truck
stop, man. It's not anything crazy. So they went
and got their food and whatever. And I'm looking
around and I'm looking for Kalisto. I was like,
where the fuck is his name? Lisa's name is Emmanuel.
Wow, I'm terrible with fucking Spanish names.
Manny was his name. So he was referred to as
Manny. So we're looking around. We're like, where's
Manny? And just out loud, Riddle just goes, oh,
he's probably one of those aisles because he's
short as fuck. He's fucking short as hell. He's
like, he's just probably short as fuck. And he's
probably just trifling through those fucking
aisles. I'm like, great, cool. I'm looking around.
Did anybody know Matt Riddle was in the fucking
shop? That's one of my normal truck stops. This
is the first time I've ever experienced this
from the third -person perspective. He's cashing
out Riddle, and the cashier's scanning each thing.
He grabs a bunch of shit. He starts scanning
things, and then he just looks up, looks down,
scans. He keeps looking up and down, and then
he just stops. He just looks and pauses and goes,
are you matt riddle and matt riddle just looks
at him and just goes bro and he just like dabs
him up just fucking like nerdy fucking cash register
dude he just dabs him up and he was like yeah
he goes can i get a picture and he just like
whips out his phone and i just i took the phone
and i'm the guy i'm i'm the fucking dude that's
like Alright, say cheese. I'm like, am I really
fucking doing this right now? Took a photo with
him and then fucking wild, dude. No, but it gets
better. So we go to walk out and I'm looking
around. I'm like, where the fuck's Manny? He's
like, oh, he's probably still getting food. We're
like, we'll go out to the car, wait for him.
As we're walking out. This big fucking young
kid just literally is walking through the door
of the... You know the building. It's like when
you walk through that little aisleway door at
the entrance and then you have the glass doors
on the side. There's this big tubby looking...
He's probably an adult, but he looked like a
child. He just walks in and he stops in the middle
of the front door area and he just looked like
he had fucking... Just Christmas immediately
happened for him. He sees Matt Riddle and goes...
Matt Riddle. Immediately, Matt just goes, bro.
He just gives him a high five. I was like, what
the fuck, dude? That actually reminds me of a
quick story. I take back everything I said about
Matt. Matt seems like he's very chill to hang
out with. Years ago, I was working at the Holiday
Inn over on the Alden Road, and WWE was in town.
And they were staying at the Holiday Inn across
the road back when, before the casino was there,
there was a Holiday Inn over there. Well, they
were staying there, except not all of them could
get rooms. So I'm sitting there working the overnight,
and I'm typing on the computer, and I hear the
door ding. And it's about a 10 -second walk from
the door to the front desk, so I don't look up
immediately. And I'm like, eh, eh, eh. And all
of a sudden, a shadow comes in front of me. And
I'm like, holy crap, this guy's tall. And I look
up. And I look up. And I'm like, ha, ha, ha,
ha. Free of Booker T. Standing in front of me.
So, like, I get where that kid's coming from.
Because, like, you don't expect that shit, right?
This is the photo. I don't know if I'll blur
out a little bit. But, like, I'm literally just,
like, I'm this guy now. Like, I only have this
photo because he didn't have his phone. The kid
didn't have his phone on him. So, I took the
photo and then sent it to his phone number. So,
he has that. He never messaged me and, like,
saying thanks. I just sent him the photo and
he just hasn't. like that's totally riddled to
just go bro yes but that's what he did with every
interaction like that's the funniest shit like
he said we go to get in the car and so i ask
him like so obviously this happens quite often
where does this happen the most and he goes whatever
you do bro Don't bring me to a Walmart. For some
reason, I am completely attracted to everyone
in Walmart. Doesn't matter if I'm in Mississippi.
Doesn't matter if I'm in California. It's just
like a name of these random states. He's like,
they find me there. I will be there for. hours
taking photos and signing autographs. They're
like, I don't know what it is with them Walmart
bitches, but they all want to take photos of
me. It's just like all in gimmick the whole time.
Statistically speaking, where's the place that's
going to have the most wrestling fans? Walmart.
There you go. So I thought that was kind of funny.
So yeah, we get in there. Oh, plot twist. LA
Knight beat Zack Ryder to advance in the last
semis after. What? I wasn't watching it, but
yeah, no. Zack Ryder lost to Ellie. Oh, shit.
Cardona's probably like, Cardona's probably like,
you can win a few zeros in front of that, and
I'll work for you. Oh, okay. He'll, yeah. We'll
probably find out who the next four are after...
I still say Edge shows up somehow. Actually,
no. Have they not shown? I don't think so. You
know, speaking of Sorry, random things. I was
watching something today, and they were talking
about Finn Balor and the demon, and why he doesn't
use the demon anymore. And I'm like, mostly because
they lost the last two times they used the demon?
And, like, it sucks. Yeah, they kind of ruined
the demon king. The demon shows up, the demon
wins. That's the way that should work. The demon
should show up. Yeah. For the demon, if he shows
up, he should win. Because that should be like,
oh, crap, it's gotten that far, right? Him losing
to Edge was stupid. Him losing to Roman Reigns
was even stupider. The Roman Reigns, though,
is the top rope broke, right? Something stupid
like that. Yeah, that was all planned, though.
You know that. WWE Shop just posted. I just saw
an email from WWE Shop. It says, Zack Ryder returns.
Shop his gear so you can buy Zack Ryder gear
on WWE Shop right now. Oh, so Cardona's like,
all right. Cardona's just like, I sold out, fuckers.
He doesn't care. Oh, okay. Conclude my story
with Cardona. Or Cardona. Jesus Christ, Riddle.
We get in the car. We drive to Augusta. The whole
car ride is just Riddle. talking about every
fucking conspiracy you could fucking imagine.
We're talking politics, we're talking outer space,
we're talking fucking third world countries and
lost islands. It felt like a brain tree, like
one of those tree fucking stems. My brain was
just fucking fogging, dude. And I'm just driving.
I'm sober as a fucking whistle, but these motherfuckers
are high on a kite. And I'm just like, the whole
time we never stopped talking about just some
random fucking shit. How did you not get a contact
high? Oh, I had to have. I think I did, realistically.
But yeah, we got to the venue. And when we got
to the venue and we pull out the gear and everything
out of the back, Kalisto then puts on his mask,
walks into the door. and then realizing that
there are no fans or anything that are inside
at this point he takes his mask off so like he
he stayed out of gimmick all the way up until
he got dressed and even after he got dressed
he kind of kept the mask off out back until like
five minutes before he went out so like he very
uh not he he just lives in his own life like
obviously being like guys like ray yeah or you
know bigger stars like that people are currently
in wwe Not all of them walk around with their
masks. I know. Penta doesn't wear his shit. I
noticed. Harry Aaron told me that, actually.
He says when Penta's not in gimmick, you don't
know it's Penta. Right. But when you look at
photos of him, though, when you look at Cleestone,
this is fucked for me to say right now. Very
fucked for me to say. But he looks like every
other... guy that would be like a luchador wrestler
without a mask on they all have that same facial
structure they all have that same kind of look
and it's kind of awkward to say it like that
but that's you couldn't tell I got you, kid.
Honestly, though, those guys can walk into a
crowded room and no one will know who they are.
They're an anonymity that is camouflaged still.
They don't know who it is. Again, a great example.
That was at the Limitless show where Lindsay
Dorado was doing a seminar. We're all there talking
around. No one knows him. All of a sudden, he
slides in the ring and we all thought it was
a chaotic kid. Yeah. All of a sudden, like, this,
like, you know, let's say it's not a big guy.
I feel like that's how itchy Bon is. It's just
because he's just a random chaotic kid. He probably
rolls in, and they're like, who the fuck is this
guy? Oh, it's itchy Bon. I thought it was, like,
legit, like, just some guy from, like, Chaotic
or NEPA or something. That was like, hey, guys,
we all stretched out, ready to go. And all of
a sudden, we're like, oh, shit, you're insane.
Oh. Oh. Any update? We got Carmelo. Carmelo.
Yeah. Carmelo Hayes. And... Oh, God. Who the
fuck... I can't even fucking see what this is.
Do you need glasses, too? I do. Bronson reads
in it. Penta. Yeah, Penta. The mystery was...
I only saw three. There must have been a fourth
person. I didn't see who the fourth person was.
But, yeah, no. Speaking of those... Speaking
of the weed stores, when you brought that up,
my wife had to travel out of state because they
were burying her grandfather. And he wanted to
be buried in Connecticut with his father. Sorry,
Penta versus Finn Balor is next SmackDown's first
round. Penta versus Finn Balor, bro. Sorry, I
didn't mean to cut you off. So they stop at the...
the weed store and she buys a fuckload because
she's like, oh, I'm going to be in the car for
so long. I'll be all set. She buys a shitload
of edibles, pretzels, a couple of dad pens, just
a bunch of shit, drinks, and they're heading
almost out of Maine. Her dad, who's driving the
whole time, he goes, hey, you finish those? She
goes, what? You know we can't leave with that
in the car outside of Maine, right? So I would
hurry the fuck up and finish all that. So she
drank like two fucking THC drinks, a bag, shitload
of pretzels. She said she was high as fuck for
the whole time, including the next day. Ow, cats!
Cats is getting attacked by cats. Your son sounds
very weird. The cat climbed on my leg and I pulled
him off. Oh, he ripped my shirt, that dick. Wow.
I got a new kitten. Not by choice. My cat had
kittens and we're going to get rid of them. To
stop the meltdown for my children, we had to
keep one. We kept one of them. Now, did we get
the cat fixed? It's only eight weeks old. I can't
get it fixed yet. Hey, the adult one you bought.
Oh, no, I haven't got the adult one fixed yet.
Not yet. I will. Unless you guys want more. I
got four. And then I got a fucking. Okay. I appreciate
that you have that you like me, Kat, but I'm
in the middle of a show. So can you fuck off?
But yeah, in any ways of that. What was going
to talk about? Oh, speaking of Matt Cardona,
did you see that they didn't release that Joe
Hendry signed for WWE? Yeah. Sam woke me up to
that this morning. She's like, hey, hey, look
at this. Look at this phone in my face. I'm not
even awake yet. There's a phone right here. She's
like, Joe Hendry signed for WWE. I was like,
cool. Here's the funniest thing about that. So
when Joe first did the say his name and he appears
like that, that got big, I would mess with her
with that. And she hated it. Now it's her Monday
morning alarm. Damn. So every Monday morning,
like I'm having, just wait. Yeah. I was like,
and all of a sudden you're like, you're half
asleep. Like, and you're like, clap. That gets
you the worst part. If you have one of those,
what are the, not night tears, but, sleep paralysis.
You have a sleep paralysis. Joe Hendry's in the
background. What the fuck? My favorite relatable
one is actually a sleep paralysis, Stephen, but
it's Scott South from Creed. Where are you all?
Where are you? Did you ever see when, oh, who
was it? It was Blade Bandit did a promo and he
actually did the Joe Hendry turn. in the promo.
It was great. It was great. And I was like, I
hit him up immediately, like, Blade, really?
The freaking Joe Head return. Ben, of course,
Ben being Ben, is like, I want everyone to do
Joe Head returns with their promos from this
weekend. I was like, I'm not fighting anyone
this weekend. He's like, no promo anyway! I was
like, alright. Actually, speaking of promos,
I now need to cut one on freaking Chad Casanova,
because he cut one on me today, a little bastard.
And he's like, oh, three -legged table, can't
stand it. I'm like, have you never heard of a
stool? You're going to let the toothpick talk
to you like that. I know. I'm going to throw
him again. I'm just going to throw him. I'm going
to throw him again. Yeah, he's a lot easier to
throw than me. Yes, he's also 100 pounds lighter.
Like 200 pounds lighter. No, I think he's a buck
45 or buck 50, somewhere in that area. Yeah,
he's soaking wet. Oh, speaking of which, Lucha
Kid, too. All of a sudden, it hits up my pose
with the title of the crown of Maine. She was
like, don't look really good around my waist.
I was like, get in line. Second of all, you know
I could throw you, right? What's that kid's new
name now? Oh, Levi Lexington or something like
that. I was like, I found the name. I was like,
someone added me or something. I saw some sort
of name. I was like, who the fuck is this fucking
joke? I was like, oh, it's Lucha Kid. It is.
Logan Lennox. Logan Lennox. Okay. I guarantee
this. I hope he's watching and he sees this because
I guarantee we're going to see this. Guarantee
it. Guarantee it. First crowd of main show, he
gets up there in the top rope, goes, and I'm
going to be like, I'm just going to scream out,
Zack Ryder! God. I know it's going to happen.
I know it. I know it. And I hope it's my first
opponent because I'm just going to drop him on
his head. Did I get a catwalk back into the end
of that whole thing? I did. That's why I'm laughing.
We're talking about Logan Lennox, the former
Lucha King. Logan Lennox. Who is now the disciple
of one Alan Prophet. So there's a whole other
cult leader we've got to fucking deal with. Oh,
yeah. Fucking bullshit. Alan Profit out here
making poor choices for you as well. He's always
made poor choices. It's Alan Profit. Have you
met him? Yeah, I've also tangled with him a time
or two. I've always thought about it. The loss
record between each other is very 50 -50 as I've
just realized. I've only fought Alan once. He
actually does want to have a match with me again.
He's like, let me have a match with Alan. I looked
at him and was like, Alan, I don't do flippy
shit. I want to have a match with Allen, and
I don't want to break his ankle like you did.
Listen, he broke my ankle because he fucking
didn't do the shit that he was supposed to do.
So he didn't fucking spread his legs. I was coming
in, and instead of doing a cannonball, I called
it. It was a missile dropkick while there was
a chair laying up against him, and I was just
going to kick the chair. As I went in for the
fucking dropkick, I watched this little fucker's
legs literally come in like this. And I was like,
oh, no. And then I watched one of his ankles.
Oh, no. Like, literally just, it popped straight
down like a fucking foot pedal. And 25 minutes,
broken ankle and all. does the entire fucking
hardcore match with me everything under the sun
we did light tubes guys please everything just
any broken angle completely the entire time i
was like what the fuck and then he told me two
months later that it broke i was like why did
you wait two months to tell me that this happened
he goes oh i thought i told you already i was
like i clearly know but then i watched the match
back and i'm watching hobbling and i'm like oh
no he definitely fucked up there's There's the
match. It was the Whoopi Five Festival two years
ago and it hurt my leg. You can instantly tell
my leg was messed up. You see me land and I bounce
on it. I put my foot down and I push on it twice.
I'm like, okay, I didn't roll my Achilles tendon.
That's good. I almost broke my neck at Geno's.
The last Geno show. How? It was my own fault.
I was wrestling two new kids that never worked
before. and um hold on hold on hold on you've
never worked before or they have never worked
before that i've never worked before okay uh
they were one of them was chaotic kid the other
one was a next gen kid was that um cory and no
no no these were one kid has a good look the
other one i forget what his fucking name is um
I think his name was Sean something. Sean...
Oh, I know him. Yeah. I don't, honestly. Actually,
I can pull up my messages and scroll back a little
bit and find them because they sent them the
video. I want to say that their names were...
That reminds me. One of their names, his name
was Lorenz Hoyt. I don't know what his gimmick
was. No, I know Lorenz. Yeah. Sean Morris. That's
it. I worked a three -way with them and Lorenz.
At one point, he slipped out of something of
mine and he gave me a DDT. It was just a cutoff.
We went for the DDT because of the momentum.
I tried to spike it. Instead of spiking it, all
of my weight dropped down. As I came down, I
heard my neck crack so many times. I literally
just adjusted my neck. But I think I had that
with Dave. It was fucking hurting. You know what
happened with me? A certain person gave me a
pile driver and I went this way. I have that
video. Don't fucking say you didn't. I have it
on TikTok. In his defense, you also kind of fucked
up a Tiger driver, too. Okay, in my defense,
I've never taken one before, so fuck off. I didn't
know he had to sit up like a powerbomb. I still
love that conversation of Dad just going at the
end of it like, you never do that again. Me looking
at him like, yeah, duh. pull up the... Yeah,
Dave Dyer in the Mojo the Dojo, I did the exact
same thing. I went to go spike myself, and instead
of spiking myself, I fucked my neck up. I don't
know why you would even attempt to try and do
something like that, you silly goose. Because
it looked cool? It looked cool, yeah. How much
shit do we do because that looked cool in the
moment? I want Stormy to do a freaking five -knuckle
shuffle to me this last Thursday. Because it
looked cool. No, it's Down East Horizons, by
the way. Down East Horizons. Shout out. They
gave us hoodies. That was cool. Cool. Yeah. And
Storm and I literally were like, we're calling
the match. And he's like, what do you want to
do? And I'm like, you want to just have like
a John Cena, Randy Orton match? Because it finishes
a cutter. He started laughing because he's a
huge Cena mark. And he's like, yeah, that'll
be fun. So he hit me with the five knuckle shuffle.
He put me in the STFO. And he set me up for an
AA. I hit him with the draping DDT and the cutter.
Except I've never done a dripping DDT before,
so I didn't realize when you have them for the
DT, you need to put the other arm under and pick
them up. It's hard to see, but it's the easiest
way for me to... I remember this match. So, I
know it's blurry, but if you watch very carefully,
notice him sitting in the corner. I go to take
this chair, and I put the chair up against his
face, and it's going to be hard to tell. But
he literally tucks his fucking legs in. He literally
tucks his legs in, and I break his ankle right
on the spot. This is... The short is actually
on my YouTube channel, Big Cat Tyler Adams, because
he talked about it on the podcast before, and
I did a short of it. This was four minutes. This
was like two minutes into the match. We would
go on for another 20 minutes, and he had his
whole ankle broken. What a dick. I can't believe
he did that. I just showed you video evidence
of him literally taking his feet and just going,
If he didn't do that, we wouldn't have had probably
a much better match. Let's get Alan Proffitt
on the show to tell his side of the story. Honestly,
you need an Alan Proffitt episode, for sure.
Yeah, definitely. Because if it wasn't for Alan
Proffitt, me and him, we were like 11, 12 years
old. wrestling in his backyard on giant piles
of fucking snow that's how like my whole wrestling
thing started we literally created a backyard
federation and we had done it for years i mean
like from middle school or like sixth grade all
the way through my senior year high school just
backyard fucking shit in fairfield and then when
i left to go to college he kept it going and
it oh my god i've never seen you wear fucking
glasses before because Because this is the first
time I've worn glasses because I need the glasses
to see. So I'm blind without glasses, by the
way. I can see them right here. I can't read
without these. I found that out. So let me tell
you a little secret. Get non -glare on your glasses,
because you know how I have no glare on mine,
even though the light's right here? These are
cheap -ass glasses. I just needed them to read.
All right, well, I can see whatever's in your
monitor on your glasses, so don't worry. Okay,
so that's good. I'll make sure I close out my
porn. Okay. So what I was going to get into is,
speaking of Alan Proffitt, we got the... Indy
1000. The top Indy wrestlers. None of us are
on it either. What the fuck? I'm honestly surprised
Jason Maverick is not on it. Jason's not on it.
We're not on it, but yet, I love Calvin. Do not
take this the wrong way. Calvin was surprised
when I told him. He had no fucking clue. He's
like, I made this? There were some that were
questionable. Yeah, so I don't understand. Selina
Hecate and I were talking about it, too, and
Selina's like, there's some names on here. I'm
like, eh. Yeah, we're going to go all the way
to the bottom because Calvin's on the bottom.
Again, nothing against Calvin Strange because
Calvin Strange is a fucking big star. However,
he's wrestling. He's not really. I think I've
done more matches this year than he has. Yeah,
there's Calvin at 991. Yeah, 991, yeah. Sean
Keegan, man. Sean Vegan Keegan. I was backwards.
Sean's a great dude. I love the fact that Sean's
on here. And here's the thing, guys. I'm going
to say this straight up. I love the fact that
my peers and friends are on this list. I really
do. 100%. If they made this list, even if they
didn't make this list, it's awesome to see our
friends and our peers on this list. I want to
be on it too, though. Right. And here's the things
that also don't make sense for me. I didn't say
Ace Romero on this list. It's true. I didn't
see Gabby Forza on this list. I think Gabby's
on there. Oh, Gabby is on here? I didn't see
her. I think she is on there. I'm not 100 % on
that, though. Don't quote me. I know Charles
Mason's on there. Here's one that, like, Sammy
Diaz. I know Sammy Diaz, but, like, number eight
out of, like, love the dude, but, like... It's
weird to see him higher than, like, some certain
people. Also, why the fuck is Masha Slavovich
at 19? Also, hold on. Sammy Diaz, like you said,
above Channing Thomas, though? Right. Yeah. I
mean, he's done a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Diaz over
Chaney. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love Maddie, but
it's like, damn. Bryce Donovan should be up around
number, I don't know, eight. Dustin Waller, five.
That makes sense. Is if he won, makes sense.
Effie? Effie. With all the stuff he does, he
is the GCW champion right now. Right. But like
I was saying, he's very controversial. So, I
mean. We just saw KJ Orso at GCW Unlimited List.
I want to know who the fuck Tim Balsby is. There's
some names on here I've never heard of. TJ Crawford,
man. TJ definitely deserves to be up on that
list. 100%. Kevin Blackwood. Yeah. Like I said,
Notorious Mimi. I know these names. DJ Powers,
I just... Joey Janelle or Matt Cardona is fucking
wild. Bear Bronson at 31. Bear Bronson and Cruel
at 31, 32. Bobby Orlando being immediately under
Matt Cardona is fucking wild. Zillow Fatu at
33. Matt Cardona at 34. Bobby Orlando, which
is awesome to see him on there. 35. I'm sorry.
I know I'm a CJ. Mortar at 40 is pretty awesome.
39 is wild. Great woman, but the number is just
wild. Desmond Cole at 46? They shouldn't have
done a top 1 ,000. They should have said, these
are 1 ,000 indie wrestlers. I want people that
do these lists to show the formula in which they
make, how these are made. I want to know if it's
stats. I don't want to know if it's content on
the internet. There's a tag one supposedly coming
out. Top 100? I don't know. I think it's top
100. I don't know if we make it, but it'd be
cool if we did. I don't think we have enough
matches. Aaron should be a bit higher. I know.
I saw that Aaron should be a lot higher and Anthony
Green at 52. Hold on. 41 is the Erika Damia,
right? I saw her on WWE. Yeah. And she's basically
Aaron Kadamia. It's the same fucking gimmick
because it's both freaking Deku from My Hero
Academia. She also just got WWE ID. Oh, did she?
I'll confirm. Yeah. Do you want to see something
funny, though? Oh, Kerry Ward. I love Kerry.
Do you want to see something really funny? Sure.
Okay. Check this out. Let me try to find the
number here and make sure it's right. Oh, boy,
Monty. Monty! Right here. 347. Okay. 347. All
right. This is what doesn't make sense. Jay Haru.
Yeah. And Agro's down low. 357. Aiden Agro. He's
a bum! Second time this has happened because
the black independent wrestler list was the same
thing. Haru was above Agro. I'm just like, huh?
Nothing against Haru. Haru is very talented.
I love Haru. Agro does way more shit than Haru
does. The thing is, right now, no, Haru's actually
working more than Agro is because Haru works
outside of Maine. Agro's not really working outside
of Maine. He's not doing DPW anymore? I think
he is, but I'm not sure. Was he the champion
of DPW? I wish they would have just done an alphabetical
order. Here's a thousand wrestlers that we think
are awesome. You know what kills me, though,
is when I look at these lists and I'm on here
and I'm like, I worked him. I worked him. I worked
him. I wrote these down. 176. 176, Leo. Leo Sparrow.
Love Doug. I've never worked Love Doug. I'd love
to work Love Doug. JT Dunn. 165. Like I said,
our friends and our colleagues are on here. And
it's cool to see them on here. I just want to
be on there too. Yeah, me too. But yeah, it's
crazy. I didn't see Ace on here and I didn't
see Gabby. But it's Alexander. He's on here.
He gads, man. I thought I saw her on the list.
Way too low down the list. Ace. Ace is not on
here. Ace is not on here. That's crazy. Like
you said, awesome that CPA. 59. My first win.
Guys, we've wrestled or shared a locker room
and they're on this list. It's like, fuck. Congratulations.
Like you said, I want to be on this list too.
Calvin's one is just like a head scratcher. It's
like... I know her. We worked shows with her.
I saw Nick's for a second. I was like, uh -oh.
I saw Alexander and I thought it was dad, but
it was Alexander Lex or Liv. I'm like, aw. I
can understand Calvin at 2018, 2019 being on
this list. Because he was fucking all over the
place and at it. And then COVID happened and
he took a break and came back. One of my most
fun feuds in wrestling was Calvin Strange from
TIW. Yeah, he's like awesome. And like I said,
awesome wrestler now. But he's not out there
as much as a lot of these guys. And like I said,
just surprisingly. If you go down to the bottom
of that list, I guarantee there's guys. just
around him, they're out there way more than he
is. I just want to know how, again, the formula.
Right. I was looking for Roblox. That's a different
top list that he ends up on as Mark Mahoney because
he helps write it. Of course he would fucking
throw his name on there. Where's Calvin again?
991, right? Yeah, 991. Yeah. Keegan 994. I'm
just looking for like the read around them. Like
I don't know a lot of these names. I'll be honest.
No, there's a lot of names. After 500 like it's
like I don't know like any of you guys. No, there's
names down there. I know just because I've worked
enough places. Yeah, I'll just look at random.
Let's see if I can just scroll to a random point
between 500 and 1000. I'll see if I can name
anyone. Stop right here. Right here is good.
Let's see here. Anthrax, I know. He's a H2O guy.
Did a bunch of death threat shit. I think I've
leased. Didn't she work for MEW at some point?
Either MEW or... You guys do more shit than I
do. This is 770 through 797. There's only one
person I can recognize. Try one more random spot.
Steve Pena. I've worked Steve. Yeah. Right there
at 737. Delmi is 739. Yeah. There's Ace Perry.
Christian Noir. I don't know. I don't know anybody.
Hold on. This is the top 1 ,000 independent wrestlers,
right? Yes. James Storm's not on this list. He's
an indie guy. Maximo Suave. He was one half of...
Somebody's mic is fucking up. I hope it's not
mine. I see you rubbing his face on his. Yeah,
stop rubbing your face on your mic, fucker. What?
Stop rubbing your face on your mic. Oh, shit.
Dude, Bam at 698. There you go, Bam Sullivan.
Oh, shit. I love Bam. I almost died on a shopping
cart. Is she still wrestling? Yeah, she's been
over Europe for a while. That's why I haven't
seen her. I thought I saw that 690's J -Rock.
I almost shit my pants. I'm like, there's no
fucking way that Johnny Primer got on there as
J -Rock. That would be hilarious. Wow. Perry's
on this list. I didn't see Rip, though. I feel
like Rip's on there. If Perry's on there, Rip
has to be on there. You think that? All right.
No matches for Rip. Wow. Nope. That's crazy.
Actually, fun little Rip side story. I was driving
yesterday, and I got behind a vehicle, and the
place said Tomahawk. And I wanted to take a picture
and send it to Rip and be like, Rip, get the
fuck out of my way. All you know, you know. I've
only wrestled Rip as Tom Hogg. I never wrestled
Rip. I wasn't that good. Me and BRG, this is
throwback before BRG was BRG. This is back when
you saw Todd Harris, the Draco Malfoy. We were
the Social Justice League. It was so fucking
bad, dude. It was just an NCW fucking gimmick,
and me and him were a tag team. He was the mouthpiece,
I was the enforcer, and we would go on and do
all these fucking either tag matches that we
were completely fucking jobbing. Or we would
end up in multi -man matches where me and him
would be the tag team efficiency towards the
other guys as an advantage. But we would end
up at a disadvantage when the one guy that was
left in the ring would be a one Josh Briggs.
Me and BRG would countlessly like every month.
trying to get the best of josh briggs and josh
briggs's rookie year and we would just end up
jobbing to josh briggs we didn't like multi -man
it was like a six seven man like that multi -man
match where it was like pinfalls only whatever
any man for himself me and brg would just team
up against all the other dudes we'd get them
all beaten down and then they get eliminated
by somebody else. And then we'd be like, fuck,
we didn't get it. It's not our credit. Like,
fuck. So then eventually it came down to just
me and BRG. And it was always me, BRG, and some
other sufficiently bigger person. And we'd always
end up getting fucking double teamed. It was
hilarious. Because I was a lot smaller too. I
was only like 240. And BRG was fucking too...
Like, you thought Chad Casanova was small? Todd
Harris was a goddamn toothpick. Those matches
were fucking hilarious. Those matches were on
public access TV for NCW at one point back in
2016. It's crazy that they don't do that anymore.
no like i i mean i bet to say that i've been
on tv twice is funny because i've been on tv
for two wrestling promotions it'd be ncw and
i and iwe so like just the thought of that is
just like a wild thing your concept right but
i'm like i'm saying i'm surprised like like that
isn't really a thing anymore i don't know if
it's because it's just too expensive also The
other problem is it's not just being expensive.
They can kick you off the network for anything
that can be a priority no matter what. The problem
that Eric had was college football would run
over IWB programming because that was more of
a priority on Fox than wrestling was for local
promotion. He would pay these spots every week.
It was like $500 a spot or something like that.
It was from noon to like 12 to 12 30 and he would
get kicked off more times than it actually aired
uh where it didn't end up playing because uh
college football was more priority for fox uh
than it was so he just he stopped probably yeah
and it was well yeah it's not even just rating
it was just college football like they just so
like he could only run it when it wasn't football
season that was the only time that he could run
anything but the problem is he didn't realize
that so he had shelled all this money into it
that he wasn't getting back and because they
were just like not telling him like hey we're
just we're dropping it that's kind of frustrating
you're paying for that spot just to get kicked
yep and and there's no and that happens with
any business um but yeah no like politicals would
take over fucking local priority program um not
programming but commercials even people that
pay like high quality top tier like commercials
every single time there's a commercial on, those
get dubbed over by politicals once that political
season ends. Because the amount of money that
people pay for fucking politicals is the same
thing as what the people that run college football
are paying for to have those spots dubbed over
local fucking programming. That's why you don't
see local programming anymore on television that
comes locally from the place that you're living
in because it gets dubbed over by national fucking
news. Or it's true. Even watching football, it's
like, you know, Yeah, great. During an NFL broadcast.
Yeah, yeah. Because they used to be like... I
know they used to be like a guy that used to
fix everything with duct tape and shit like that.
That was on as a kid. Are you talking about red
-green? Probably. Yes, that's red -green, dude.
How do you... Wow. Wow. I don't know names. You
know this by now. I don't know Red Green. Is
that what you said? Yeah. Red Green. Wow. Ladies
and gentlemen, my tag partner. I'm not good with
names. You know this by now. That's actually
very legit. I know you. I don't remember your
name, but I know you. It's all right. Sam gives
me shit about that all the time where I will
remember the most random out -of -the -box shit,
but I can't remember why I walked in the kitchen.
She's like, you remember the lyrics. She's like,
you remember the lyrics to Gummy Bears, the Gummy
Bear theme song from the 90s, but you can't remember
to put baking powder in with the cookies. They're
actually done that, by the way, but I'm just
saying. Yeah. That's where my brain works. I
was legit singing freaking the Rescue Rangers
theme the other day. I was bored, so I was just
like, from memory, I just busted it all out,
and she just looks at me and is like, are you
okay? I'm like, no. So they announced today that
SmackDown is now going three hours. How do you
guys feel about that? Horrible, horrible idea.
Horrible idea. Yeah. I was thinking the same
thing. Two hours. They should just keep the two
hours. I understand why they go for three, but...
We only... Okay, here's the thing. Back in JP...
Kat, you're old enough for this, too. All three
of us are actually older than this. I'm older
than JP. I know, but I'm just saying all three
of us are older than this. So, JP, you're old
enough to remember this. Shut up. So, back when
WWE... Raw and WCW Nitro both ran, right? So
cool. You had two hours on Monday night for both
shows. This is before SmackDown and before Thunder.
So you had two hours on every Monday night, an
hour on Saturday, and an hour on Sunday for both
for WCW and for WWE, right? That's four hours
a week. That wasn't bad. Then I dropped another
two hours a week on Thursdays. Okay, we're up
to six hours a week. Then Raw went to three hours.
Then Nitro went to three hours. It's certainly
a little ridiculous. Then they added more shows
on Saturday and more shows on Sunday. Then you
got pay -per -views. All of a sudden, we're up
to 20 hours of wrestling a week. I love wrestling.
Do not get it twisted. I do. There's a line.
I ain't got time to watch all this shit. Let's
take now. We got Raw, SmackDown. You got TNA.
You got AEW. You got what? Four shows for AEW?
You got raw money. NXT Tuesdays, AEW Wednesday,
TNA Thursday, Friday Night Smackdown Friday.
Saturday for pay -per -views and Sunday for pay
-per -views. Sunday's two -day PLEs. You got
wrestling. That's wrestling seven days a week.
Now, like I said, I have the FTW title hanging
behind me. I have his demolition shrine right
behind me. I love wrestling, but oh my god, there's
two models. Holy shit. Breaking news. Breaking
news. Look who decided to show up to fucking
work. Who the fuck is that guy? Later. What are
you guys talking about? Way too much wrestling
on TV right now. Samuel Matthews almost a year
finally decided that he was good enough for the
podcast. No, see, what you don't realize is In
my contract it states I can just come and go
as I please, do what I want, show up when I want.
We signed contracts? Wait a minute. Shut the
fuck up. They're not supposed to know this. I'll
come to your house again. Alright, that's it.
This requires the new shit. I'm signing my resignation.
Hey, wait, wait, wait. You got a shot over there?
Stop fiddling with your shit. Whoever's doing
that. My bad. Welcome back, holy shit. I know,
dude. It's nice to be back. It's nice to have
a space again and everything to be able to navigate
doing things like this. You sound like you have
a cold. No, no. Right now... Just the kids are,
you know, kids sleeping and all that. I don't
want to be too loud. You know, me not be too
loud. I know it's crazy. Oh, my God. Are we going
to get a Samuel Matthews hot take tonight? Oh,
don't worry. We have something that we need to
discuss. Oh, no. There is something we absolutely
need. need to discuss. So... No, I understand,
but I'm being rudely interrupted by this asshole.
So... Yeah, I'm back. Doing the podcast. We see
that. So... You thought you were going to get
rid of me. It's been a year, roughly. I've been
here and there. I've been gone for as long as
I've been on the pod. Yeah, you thought there
was a correlation. I've moved it. Oh, God. We're
just... Oh, God. Oh, God. Where's your shots?
You know, we're all out here bringing the fucking
shots out. He's fixed up the glass. I guarantee
the glass is going to boost it. I guarantee you
that shit. I do have to ask, Alan Prophet's trying
to steal your shit. No, he's not. Completely
different. Co -leader's completely different
than co -leader? No, what he's doing is completely
different than what I'm doing. I can explain
it to you if you would like. I ain't got the
time. No, it's super simple. It's super simple.
You see, you see, Prophet believes that he's
the way to salvation, right? So there's kind
of a religion, you know, he's the savior of the
whole nine yards. Now with me, I'm just the creator.
And what that means and what the pathway is here
for is it's for people to, how do I put this?
Chase what they really want. Maybe their deepest,
darkest fantasies. I mean, their deepest, darkest
desires. You know, all I'm saying, shut up. Don't
talk. Don't talk over me. You've been gone for
a year, so people probably don't know this, that
you decided way back when, when you walked out
on our match. I played Far Cry 5. You decided
that you wanted to start your own cult. and bring
in these wrestlers like Lee Miller. It's not
a cult. It's not a... It looks like a cult. It
sounds like a cult. It's a cult. What? No. What
I do... What I do is I help people become who
they really want to be. I help them... Chase
what they really want. Maybe that they're a little
too afraid to Actually chase I'm just saying
yeah. Well, you know JP you have the attention
span of a copy so You look like a man child somehow
you look 70 and you look four at the same time,
and I'm still trying to figure out how that's
possible. Him or me? I was about to actually
give you some actual credit here about four seconds
ago. No, no, no, no, no. JP. JP looks like he
is a man baby. We're not doing this on the podcast
tonight, for fuck's sake. This hurts me to say.
This hurts me to say. I'm going to give Sammy
Matthews some credit. Because he went Guppy,
not Goldfish. Goldfish actually had a good memory.
How do you feel that Drake Lovecraft and Lee
Miller could win a title, tag title, but you
couldn't? Under my tutelage? You weren't even
there. Right, but they took what I gave them.
Look, all I'm saying is did either of you two
Big Cat or Dylan Nix would tag gold with Lovecraft,
but Lovecraft wins gold with me, so therefore,
therefore, all I'm saying, all I'm saying, hold
on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold
on, hold on. I'm going to even go a step further
and say, name a more successful year. in the
state of Maine for a tag team or a group than
the pathway? I mean, technically, the Wild. We
were doing pretty good for a throwback to like
10 years ago. Did y 'all win six tag titles in
a year? If I didn't step away, we probably would
have. I'm just saying. And then look at this
guy. This guy on the right here went and did
his own thing and won how many titles? Left,
whatever. It's near my right. I'm just saying,
you guys can hate as much as you want of what
the pathway brings and what Samuel Matthews brings,
but you can't deny the success. The success is
there. The statistics are there. I'm not joking.
How many of those titles have you won clean?
I'm getting there, but I'm not joking. Listen,
we can win them clean. Like I said, at Crown
of Maine, and I made very clear. At Crown of
Maine, you had a grandmother try to... Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Listen. Yes. And I
addressed that. Did I not? Ma 'am, please. Ma
'am. Let go. Ma 'am. Sorry. Sorry. Just to break
completely. Did I? Listen. Listen. Did I not
address that, though? Did I not address that
when I spoke at last time at Crown of Maine?
I believe it was Shocktober. Oh, you mean where
I won the Rissa County Championship? Congratulations.
You know. She's not in the car, I think. You
show everything else but leave the fucking championships
in the car. But hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm
not finished yet. But I made it clear that we
don't need to cheat. We just like doing it. Like,
we just enjoy it. So anyway. I forgot the presence
of Samuel Matthews on this podcast. You forgot,
huh? Yeah. It's been so long. I'm like, oh yeah,
this is why he's never around. The piece is nice
while it lasted. When I come on, viewership goes
up. I'm looking at your account right now. I
don't think so, bro. It's because nobody knew
I was coming. Listen, I know you. I know our
handshake. All right. Take that thing off there,
JP. Let me bump you up. You're quiet. Are we
going to discuss the topic that I would like
to discuss? We just talked about the IWX1000.
None of us are on, by the way. We were going
to get into John Cena winning the title, but
now we can't see Samuel Matthews. He's blurred
the fuck out. Hold on. I got that one. Give me
a sec. I don't know. You blended into the background
for a second. I thought you were going as well.
I know it's the wrong version, but this is the
nice version. I have a WCW -type team title ball,
but it's in a storage bin in my shed. Um, so...
I just keep reaching over and grabbing him. Let's
focus. My wife walked in, and she's like, I got
you French fries. Fucking high as a kite. We're
not focusing, are we? No, we're not. Anyways,
go ahead. We're too focused right now at this
point. Have you met us? No, I... We're off the
rails. No, because I have a very serious topic
that I want to discuss because I want to hit
my spot, okay? So if somebody can cue that up...
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Zooli, do the thing.
Cat! Oh, fuck, that's me. Believe in the thing.
I'm talking to my wife. Believe in the thing.
She just got home. I'm talking to my wife. There.
All right. So today, I want to bring up, we're
going to take a little different approach with
Samuel Matthews hot take going forward. I am
going to be bringing controversial topics and
a little bit of different kinds of discussions
that I want everybody's input on. No, it's okay.
He wants to be mean. He wants to be disrespectful.
I'm going to beat his ass December 6th. Oh, I
forgot about that. Yeah. Anyway. So anyway. I
want to talk about the topic of losing and protecting
your character and protecting your whole shenanigans.
So my first question is, do wins and losses matter?
So I'm going to be 100 % honest with this. Yes
and no. As someone who took a lot of L's in the
first two years of the career, I don't believe
wins and losses. We all know what this sport
is, so no. Wins and losses don't matter. The
storyline does. You can look at Zack Ryder's
partner, Brian Myers. He lost two years straight,
but that was the build -up to them winning the
titles at WrestleMania, which is cool. They can
matter, but at the same point, I don't think
they do matter. Okay, let me ask you this. because
it seems like everybody agrees that they don't
matter, I'm going to follow up with the question
of, when do they matter? I think they matter
when you are on a, honestly, to build up to something.
If you're building up to, like, say, you're the
champion, keeping the belt, maybe losing it.
Fuck, I'm going to use myself. I apologize, but
it makes sense. When I was on the streak with
the mainstay, championship i kept winning winning
winning winning winning when joey beat me it
meant something like oh you dropped the belt
you know until until he decided no no no no stop
we're not we're not going that far into it so
but joey but the win itself meant something that
doesn't matter right yeah think about that i
was met did like my wins matter no no I'm not
talking, you remove storyline. Because the only
time a win can actually mean something is if
it's in a storyline. If it's built, if there's
a payoff necessarily to it. JP, you had something
you wanted to say? I hate to say this, just for
this moment of instance, but there's one way
I could agree with this. With multiple reasons.
I have had matches where I have lost that have
looked better than me winning in certain scenarios.
For example, I will take the most recent events
that have occurred in my career. Me and Johnny
Pierce tag teamed at MEW against Stormy Savage,
and it was supposed to be... Donkey Boy Bandit.
We may or may not have put a hurtin' on Donkey
Boy. We may or may not have hurt him to the point
that we made it a handicap match. But within
all of that happening from the beginning of the
show happening and having Donkey Boy get injured
to it being a handicap match Stormy Savage still
prevailed at the end of the night when all of
the odds were beat against him completely, and
he had a much better reaction than I know we
would have gotten if we would have won. A little
pull behind the curtain. Okay, so we pull that
back behind the curtain. So we pull that back
behind the curtain, but again... It's all dependent
on storyline, right? So, like, storyline -wise,
it made sense for Storm and Donkey to go over
in that match, right? But would it have been
wrong if you guys went over? I don't know if
it would have been wrong. I think from a simple
-minded standpoint, it would have been like,
oh, they won because they had the numbers. That
would have been the only reason why we would
have won. I couldn't think of a more promising
or a more convincing way of why we would have
won that wouldn't have involved us outnumbering.
Stormy Savage, whether it had been skill, whether
it had been cunning, secret tactics. You were
an actual tag team, and he was tagging with some
rando guy, so I think you should have won. I
mean... Technically, Stormy and Dunkey are an
actual tag team. Okay, so... Dunkey wasn't there.
So, let me stop this real quick, because I want
to point something out here. So, the storyline
that ended up happening was that Storm ended
up overcoming the odds against JP and Johnny
Pierce, and Dunkey ended up getting his comeuppance
a little bit at the end. Right? Right? So, universally,
can we say that that was the right choice? Sure.
Because it's my experience, yes, I would. Okay,
I'm going to take... I'm going to take... That
wasn't the right choice. One more example. Hold
on. I want to use your example that you currently
have. Okay. So I want to go and I want to spin
this and tell me if this also couldn't be a correct
story. JP and... Johnny Pierce take out donkey
boy bandit like they did forever and and then
you go against storm and you absolutely obliterate
him and just Underhanded tactics are grabbing
his eyes. You're just just cheating to cheat
and you absolutely put a boot beating on it You
now have a new established vicious heel tag team
in the tag team division. You have two guys who
are now established as being extra vicious. They
just took out one tag team member and then they
just decided this guy thought he was going to
be Superman and just got steamrolled. So now
you have a whole new tag team in the tag team
division who needs to be feared because they
just took out. well -known donkey boy and storm
who have a who have a history here at mew what
about that story which one's right which one's
wrong i mean it's just all i guess it just all
depends on the fans perspective at that point
yeah so therefore there has to be fans in the
crowd to be so So therefore, we come... So therefore,
we come to the idea that... We come to the idea
that... The idea, in my opinion, the idea of
someone deserving something in wrestling, whether
they should win, lose, the booking decision,
the whole nine yards, who should be booked. It's
all subjective. It's all up to the person who's
in charge. So that's just something to think
about because we say we don't get fired up about
wins and losses, but tell me one person who doesn't
get a little charged up about, you know, if they
find out they're losing to someone. Can I tag
on to that one? Sure. That is something, yes,
you are not. By the way, I'm going to look in
weird spots. My camera is in a weird spot tonight.
That is something I actually have to agree with
because we do get sometimes fired up about like
you go to a show and it's like, oh, you're losing
this guy. Why? Well, because I booked it. Why?
Because like sometimes like we look at our, like
we think we know our spots. And like some of
us do, some of us don't. And sometimes our spots
are different from company to company. That happens,
right? But every now and then you literally will
ask why I'm doing this. And here's the thing.
I've said it multiple times. I want to show up
and do my job and have the best match I can.
I don't care if I win or lose. Generally. But
sometimes I just want a quick explanation. Especially
if it doesn't make a... Say the month before
I was here and I was like, I was super over and
I won, blah, blah, blah. I don't mind if I lose
next month, but it's like... Sometimes you just
want a little bit of clarification. But... Does
that make sense to everyone? No, it makes sense,
but sometimes that clarification is just because
they need somebody to lose. Oh, which is fine.
Yeah. It's like, okay, Sam, I'll take this spot.
We were going to work with Gino, not Gino, Skip
a couple months ago, right? And... say larry
came up to us and larry's like all right uh dylan
i need you to lose to sam i'm like i'd be like
all right you know cool whatever you know i don't
i generally don't care but sometimes it's like
you know you've lost this guy six times in a
row you know maybe give him a win so i think
no no no i get what you're saying but i think
sometimes we try to make More out of things than
it really needs to be. So, for instance, sometimes
we need to remember that a show is just a one
-off show. It's not anything storyline -based.
And it doesn't mean that the company doesn't
have storylines in other places, maybe. But in
that particular place, and you find this with
charity shows and fair shows, there's not necessarily
a story. It's a one -off show, so it doesn't
make a difference if you can lose 85 times because
you're going to lose 85 times in front of a different
audience. Actually, a great example of that was
this Thursday. We worked at Danny Strides. I
took on Stormy Savage. And Storm's... normally
a good guy. And he was not the good guy this
time. And we just had a fun, stupid match. And
that's not because he just took a shot at Carmilla.
But yeah, no. But literally, I get that because
especially, say, fair shows. We're going to go
fair shows. I've literally worked a fair show
where I've worked two shows in the same day,
lost the first one, but won the second one. I
mean, All I'm saying is I think the wrestling
business improves. There was a tweet by Bear
Bronson. Can somebody pull that up real quick?
Ready for the show, Bear Bronson. While we pull
that up, Big Cat, while you pull that up, another
thing I want to get out of the way as far as
your perspective of his winning or losing. important.
A throwback to... Hold on real quick. I got to
laugh. I was going to look at Bear Bronson. I
was like, wait, I have Joe as a friend on Facebook.
So, I can read it. I can read it. It's fine.
I have it right here. I got to find it. Go ahead.
So, it read... This was, I believe, in response
to the Nixon -Newall Stuff that's been going
on. I'm fading out again. Just bear with me.
It'll come back. Nixon Newell stuff going on.
What's that? What's going on with the Phoenix
or no Nixon Newell. I got you. The fact that
they like walk her and her tag team partner walked
out of their match. Can I, can I, can I go, I'm
going to add a quick point on top of that. I
get where they come from. I get where they came
from. Because they walked up and they're like,
look, we don't care. This is what I've heard.
They're like, look, we don't care we're jobbing.
We really don't. They wanted to win. Of course,
especially on national TV. They were pissed off
they were losing in three minutes. I get it because
I've been pissed off too. Why am I waiting for
a chat to pop up now? Nick, shut the fuck up.
Nope, nope, nope. This is perfect. Because this
goes into the tweet. Or what he posted. While
I've recently discussed being unhappy with character
-slash -gimmick -related stuff, fact is, losing
matches is what kept me a paying job for four
-plus years. Even my two best matches of 2025.
I lost. The effort you put in to your performance,
bell to bell, regardless of the outcome, is greater
than anything. Was one of those matches you lost
to Danny DeMonto? I'm curious. No, I think the
one was probably Matt Tremont, their death match.
This then leads me to... really say like also
Nixon knew well before appearing on AEW was bitching
and moaning online that she hadn't been receiving
any bookings and she didn't understand why then
she gets the AEW stuff and then walks out of
it so my question then is If you can't get yourself
over in three minutes. Well, if it's a job thing,
you're not going to be getting yourself over
at all in three minutes. Because the job or what,
maybe you have maybe a spot and the rest goes,
offense goes to them. Against an already strongly
established tag team in TJ. Yeah, you didn't
even do who's Nixon new wall big cat Let's take
Tegan Nox. No. No, I didn't ask you No So, so
so this is this is the point is some people call
it the WWE brain rock Where because they were
in the WWE they feel like they may They should
get more money so when they get out, they go
and put their rates way too high. And then they
don't get booked because they overguess their
star powers. I don't know if this is the case,
but the point I'm making is if you go online
and publicly complain that you aren't getting
bookings and then you walk out of a booking,
what does that show other bookers? Don't book
them. That's not the point you were getting.
How do you get yourself over in three minutes?
The reality is you don't if you're jobbing. You
do. You can absolutely do it. No, you're not.
Not if you're jobbing. The point as a jobber
is to get the other person over. Not you. It
wasn't even a job. They had three minutes. But
I'm saying they said he was jobbing out to them.
You just said that. I didn't say they were jobbing
out. You just did. I technically said they're
jobbing out. Somebody said it. I feel like I'm
listening to Matt Hardy's version 1 fucking entrance.
If they weren't jobbing out, then yes, you could
still not getting over, but you could still do
it as a good performance. here and there, whatever.
Walking out of any promotion, even if you're
formerly from the WWE, whatever, I think it's
just a bad taste unless you are doing a, like,
if you're a big top, but then again, that goes
to your point of people having the WWE rot, but
I'm saying, like, my problem is if you're on
the indies, like, this is why I didn't like the
dark matches televised for AEW, even though it
was awesome. You have Channing Thomas, BRG, and
I can't remember who else was it. It might have
been LoveDoug that did a dark match against three.
Four minutes and lost to Matt Hardy, and they
came out and went. Because Brett told me the
story. Brett was like, they walked out a minute
before the match and went, okay, so you guys
had 15, we're cutting you down to six, and Matt's
going over. So Brett was like, well, we just
let Matt Hardy get his shit in. Right, and that's
the thing. It's like these are the top guys.
On the industry in Maine right now, including
Gen Times, BRG, they were doing a big fucking
thing for Limitless at that time. And they were
basically jobbed out. Yeah, that's when they
were prestigious, right? Yeah. Right. But let
me ask you this, because then this also translates
to something else. The casual fan isn't going
to necessarily understand. They're looking so
it doesn't but it doesn't but it doesn't matter
it doesn't matter because these guys Right at
that point in time. They were big in New England
Brett hadn't gone to MLW yet. No Channing Thomas
hadn't necessarily gone into Dreamwave and done
all the stuff that he had at that point. That
point, no. Okay, so these guys are brought in
and they understand their role that they're brought
in to put over somebody else. That is a different
situation entirely. That's not jobbing. Like,
everybody throws the word. jobbing around a lot.
Oh, if I lost, I'd job. But what if... They didn't
have any offense in. That's what I consider jobbing.
If you were going out there and the person that
you were standing across from you is doing everything
and you do literally no offense, you are jobbing
to them. So the term jobber comes from the idea
that losing is their job. So the only thing that
they do, and the term jobber came from is the
idea that all they do is lose. That term gets
thrown around so aggressively. I see it more
as your job is to get the other person over.
You're jobbing to the other person to make them
look good. That's the way I see it. No, that's
dude, that's that's doing the job for somebody
but that's not job JP's being quiet over here
giving any two in active fucking tweets right
now All I'm saying is people care way more about
wins and losses than they want to admit. People
get way more butthurt about things that really
don't matter. To go back to that, from my perspective,
we'll take a little time lap back to 2022. I
was in this whole fucking deathmatch realm of
doing shit, doing a bunch of fucking hardcore
shit, and did a lot of fucking shit. I basically
got to a point where I said, fuck it. I don't
give a fuck what I do. I just want to have fucking
fun, do whatever the fuck it is with people that
I never imagined that I'd fucking do it with.
So here we are, 2022. I started this summer.
It started as a summer of violence sort of thing,
and it ended up spanning up until the end of
the year. And basically, it was just an entire
rest of the year of different scenarios of ultraviolence.
So I had the opportunity to share the ring with
guys like Slade, guys like Bam Sullivan, guys
like Akira. Over those times, I lost all of those
matches. I took the pin in all of those matches
that I wanted to do. It's something that I love
to do. The match type that I favorited, I had
control of all of those matches happening, and
I still lost. But the reason behind those matches
was so that in the endgame, my goal was to face
one of the most decorated deathmatch wrestlers
in the U .S. And that came on. That didn't end
up happening. So because that didn't end up happening,
the end result of the storyline that involved
a very conniving, evil fucking person, one in
Mr. Scotty Ceridi, he... Was that the one with
the screwdriver? He managed all of the people
that I had taken on and had lost to. And eventually
he was going to give me what I wanted because
he felt bad for how many times I had lost to
all of these people. And then when that time
came to be, shit had happened. So he had to scramble
and come up with a last minute opponent. And
it ended up being somebody that I knew very well.
And in the end game, after all of the shit that
I'd gone through for the entirety of almost six
months, I ended up prevailing at the very end.
And did I think that that win was worth it? No.
I didn't think that. I think all of my losses
meant more to me than that one win did. Because
in the event of that one win happening, I still
got to go on. and perform at the company in which
matt tremont ran at h2o i went down to jersey
and got to show off all the crazy okay with people
with a guy that he had trained and i had gotten
to perform in the match that i had specialized
in and i jobbed to that dead not job but like
i definitely i took the pinfall of that match
here's the thing though there's a difference
though with that though You were, you were happy
to be there. I was happy regardless of my professional.
Yeah. In your professional that I understand
the WWE spot where they would come in and then
expect this, but however you would, it, it, it
comes more of a, where are you on WWE? When you
look rock level, are you a Randy Orton level
or are you fucking, uh, Damien Sandow level.
Right. But the idea behind the WWE Brain Rock
is the idea that they don't realize... Sorry.
They don't realize that what they should be worth.
Right. I think you also saw that with Mercedes
Monet in the beginning where she was doing indie
scenes where she was charging $300 a photo. Yeah.
Which was fucking ridiculous. So, JP, I'm going
to pick on you a little bit here because I know
it's getting late. We still have over half a
show to do. Listen, I'm being eyeballed right
now. Yeah, there's not going to be a half a show,
buddy. We still haven't covered the main points
of the show. You know what? We'll just stop there.
We're going too long. Let's do the other pieces
real quick. Just finish your point and then we'll
go to the other point. No, but my only point
was going to be that that is... Does that change
if you don't handpick the opponents? And it's
just random deathmatch wrestler B. Are we only
okay with losing it depending on who it is? Just
something to think about. No, with the JP scenario,
I think he was just happy to be there. I don't
think he'd be won or lost. It wouldn't matter
who he was facing. Not just because of shit falling
through and not working in my favor, but the
fact that the entire six months prior to that
happening, I worked guys that were from that
promotion. And they went back and they were like,
hey, this dude may have lost, but he fucking
put it all out there. The shit he went through
was wild with them. You're talking about the
whole vacation land run? We worked all the hardcore
guys for a while? So I worked Slave. Fucking
ass into Oblivion. Bam Sullivan. Not a shopping
cart. So what I'm saying, though, is you're talking
about how you didn't mind losing in this situation.
But what I'm saying is would you have felt the
same way about that entire run? If it wasn't
against Slade and so on and so forth, all these
big deathmatch wrestlers, if it was against random
deathmatch wrestler four... If he lost against
Big Cat. If he lost against MBK. No, no, no.
It doesn't have to be anybody specific. It's
just somebody that isn't... That we may not like.
If it made sense to the reason why I was losing,
then yes, absolutely. So again, we go back to
storyline. But I think everything revolves around
storyline. You have to tell a story to get engaged.
You can't just have a rando match. So you can't
do one -off shows? I mean, you can do one -off
shows, but again, it doesn't really matter who
wins or loses. We're more talking about... a
storyline of this is completing off. If JP did
a one match or we all did a show and it was just
one show, whatever, I think we'd all just walk
in and be like, who are wrestling? Who's winning,
losing? Oh, okay. Okay. So what I'm saying, and
we're going to come, we're going to come around
circle. Okay. We're going to come all the way
back around to one of my original points is you
can spin. It's all subjective. Because you can
run that same story that JP just had, talking
about losing to everybody, where he's beating
everybody until the last guy, and the last guy
is the big old savior for beating JP. Neither
story is wrong, neither story is right. It's
all subjective to the person. One person might
love that one story, somebody else might hate
it and prefer the other one. What I'm saying
is, and when we really get down to it, is it's
all subjective on how we want to spin it. It
doesn't... More of how professional you are.
Is it? I mean, if you're a professional and that's
what the person wants, then you're like, this
is fucking stupid, but okay, let's do it. So,
but isn't it our jobs because we're hired we're
subcontractors So we're hired. These are our
job sites. We do what our bosses want us to do
Right and if we don't then we don't we don't
we don't get it. Yeah All right, let's finish
the rest of the show in two minutes That's not
happening. So you can jump off whenever you get
there buddy minutes motherfucker. We still have
boxes to watch We have no botched tonight. What
the fuck? I'm done. I'm out. I'm out. I got it.
We're not even going to get to botched. We still
got two more fucking things to talk about. All
right. Let's do this thing. It's going to be
midnight by the time we get to botched. Oh, no,
no. No, no, no. No, no, no. I can't be this loud.
Exactly, that's what I'm saying. It's not happening
tonight. It's already almost 11 o 'clock. We've
got to blow through this. All in favor for botches.
I don't have any botches. I don't have any. I
just said that. Dude, I have to go through hours
of fucking footage to find something new for
botches, which is why it takes forever. You know
what? No. Hold on. Hold on. We need to stop.
Okay? I just want you to know, Big Cat, how absolutely
disappointed I am in you. I don't give a fuck
what you fucking think. No. No. I want you to
listen. It's time you hear this. Okay? You have
one responsibility, and that's to bring joy to
our lives. And our podcasters' lives? And our
viewers' lives? No, no, stop, stop. No, no, you
listen. You listen. You listen, sir. Sir, sir,
sir, I need you to listen, okay? We absolutely,
we absolutely require botches and you have an
entire week. to do botches and find botches,
and you didn't. You didn't just let me down.
You let JP down. You let Dylan Nix down. You
know what? Okay, so talk to Jericho. He's still
talking. He doesn't realize he's not on right
now. Talk to Jericho. He was on his podcast.
No, and I did know that I wasn't on the pod,
okay? And I was still making my point, okay?
You let everybody down, okay? You let everybody
down. And the disrespect to put me in the waiting
room? Sir, I don't know, girl. I don't know.
Oh, no. We'll get to it. We'll pull on trusty
BWJ, whatever. All right, all right. Anyway,
let's get into this. Let's get into this. Chris
Jericho was on Talk is Jericho. He was hosting
a podcast. He had Bound for Glory. I was talking
about Bound for Glory. He had both the Hardys
as well as Team 3D on. And I want to say who
haven't seen that. episode to watch it. It's
very entertaining and amazing how they talk about
it. Jeff already talked about a spot that they
were going to do, and they scrapped it. A, because
they were afraid of the LED wall falling, and
B, he was afraid of hurting D -Von. D -Von got
hurt early in that match. Anyway, he had a stinger
on his tricep, on his arm. His arm the entire
match was fucking dead. 30 seconds into the match.
He also coming back from a stroke and his fucking
back being worked on. That wasn't even the concern.
When they did the 3D to Matt in the first 30
seconds, he hadn't done it for so long. When
he came down, he didn't land flat with Matt.
He turned and came right down on his arm and
he couldn't feel his arm for the entire higher
match. He thought he tore his arm. That's crazy.
I get it. If you land just wrong doing the cutter,
all of a sudden you're like, oh, that doesn't
feel right anymore. I've landed on my hip a couple
times with cutters. Jesus Christ. We've all fucked
up something and it fucking sucks. I fuck up
a hip toss from time to time and freaking throw
up my back. I didn't change the subject completely
at all, but I had just come across some of the
photos from the GCW show at Yarmouth. I didn't
realize that Shotzi Blackheart had a tattoo of
Danhausen on her foot. That's hilarious. That's
hilarious. They acknowledge this before the fucking
mat. I'm just like, I was scrolling and I saw
the tattoo and I go, how the fuck? I'm glad you're
paying attention to the podcast. Anyways, so
this was actually taken off the podcast because,
well, on YouTube, I don't know about the live.
A, because you couldn't find this clip at all.
And B, if you actually go into their YouTube,
for those who don't know, you can do things in
chapters, which makes it easier for the audience.
If you're looking for something, you can just
scroll through. And the chapters were off by
like a minute or two, whatever. So Chris Jericho,
before they even started the conversation, he
made this comment about AEW, the fact that he,
how he felt how TNA was doing compared to what
AEW was doing. He was saying, cause he claimed
that, and it looked. 100 % looked like it was
like a WrestleMania. That TNA show was like the
biggest. And we all were actually technically
supposed to be there. We were all talking about
it. But it came up to like $1 ,000 for all of
us, like $200 a ticket for us just to be there.
And that wasn't including if we wanted to bring
our wives or anybody else with us. Oh, I wouldn't
be going by myself. I don't know what you're
thinking. Yeah, so it would have been even more
than that. So that's why we didn't go. But Chris
Jericho makes the comment about, AEW side. Crowd
looked huge. It looked huge. It was like a WWE
level crowd. The place was packed. I was watching
this and not saying anything out of school here,
but comparing it to watching Dynamite when they
were at the ECW arena, which looked like a Tony
Candelo taping. Sorry, it did. DNA looked like
the second biggest company in the world. And
that was amazing. And the presentation was amazing.
I mean, it looked like a WrestleMania. It really
did. So that's where the clip everybody was pulling
out, what we've all been saying, that AEW's size,
it seems like their size is getting smaller and
smaller. So people took that in context. It's
like, oh, this 100 % means that he's done with
AEW. JP brought it up a few weeks ago, and I'll
bring it up again. He does a cruise. AEW is always
fucking listed to be on the cruise. This year,
they were not. Not a single AEW person listed
on next year's cruise. It's pretty much all but
confirmed he's going back to the WWE to finish
his career. Matter of when. That was his plan
the entire time. I don't think... I think it'll
be Rumble. I don't know when his contract ends,
whatever. I don't know if Zack Ryder showed up
at SmackDown tonight. We were talking about that
earlier. I was breaking news while it was happening.
But no, seriously, I thought he signed like a
10 -year contract with AEW. Did he not? Who the
fuck is going to sign a 10 -year contract with
AEW? Jericho, because he signed a 10 -year contract
for a million. Nobody's going to sign. For one
million dollars? 10 -year contract for a million
dollars or a million dollars a year. That's a
hundred. My mouth is terribly off. It's less
than a hundred grand a year. Fuck that. I am
going to get out of here because I'm going to
get yelled at and I don't want to. Looks like
somebody else is putting the creator in their
place. No, no. It's called keeping And I love
her. So Jericho's contract apparently is... Well,
there you go. Well, do your fucking work before
you get out of here. Oh, I don't have... Just
send me Matthew's Wrestling on platforms and
JP, you might want to think about doing the goddamn
same because if she's giving you looks, you're
going to get your ass beat if you don't listen.
She's out. She's asleep. Alright. Well, it was
a pleasure being back. I will be back more often.
Everyone needs to witness Dylan Nicks beating
the fuck out of Samuel Matthews and Lee Miller
on December 6th. That's not going to happen.
I'd say we make it a title match, but you don't
have the titles. Yeah, they're two pussies to
fucking want to do that. Which tag title would
you like me to defend against you? Oh, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait. By the time we walk into
December 6th, I should have three single titles.
It can't be the one that Drake Lovecraft is holding
for me. It's called... They're free bird ruling
that shit. They don't even know who the free
birds are, and they're going to free bird rule
that shit. What are you talking about? Who are
the free birds? If we win the titles... Michael
Hayes? I know him. That's the only one that mattered.
That's the only one that did anything. Come on,
man. Ronnie Garvin. There we go. I was like,
Jesus Christ, another third one. And the only
one that's still relevant and anybody talks about?
Anyway, it's December 6th. You can see them in
Orono. JP and Dylan Mix versus... It's not Orono.
It's Indian Island. I'm going to spank them.
I'm going to spank them like... It's down the
road. I might have to just stop in to make sure...
Oh, you're going to show up this time? JP, they
don't have the titles. The problem has the titles.
You're going to show up this time? You're going
to show up this time? All right. I'm getting
out of here before... Get out of here before...
All right. Bye, guys. Later. Bye. Remind me to
fire him. He's got a contract in his ass. That's
irrelevant. Jesus Christ. I see Chris Jericho
coming back to WWE. Maybe we'll see him. The
last opponent for John Cena will be... Jericho.
I still say it should be Edge. Honestly, Edge
would make the most sense. But here's the thing.
This is the other point that I wanted to get
into. We just saw that John Cena beat Dominic
Mysterio. Dominic Mysterio. on Monday Night Raw
for the title, which everybody claimed that that
might have been what that match was going to
be for SummerSlam. Could we see Edge versus John
Cena at SummerSlam? That would be cool. I think,
too, one of the reasons they wanted to have Dom
lose the IC title is because he also has a AAA
heavyweight title right now, and they wanted
to make the AAA title look a little more important
than the mid -card title. Did you make that point
last time, or did JP make that point last time?
JP made it. I don't remember. Probably. I don't
fucking remember. That one right there. I do
have a clip from that match, so this was pretty
fucking funny. Here's where we get canceled.
Nope, this is the champion. So, Dirty Dom doing
his thing. He goes and rolls out and has a chair.
Love how just his chair is going to go over there.
I don't understand how the ref doesn't understand
this bullshit he's going to do at this point.
I Thoughts hilarious, but they still think the
best spot is AJ Styles when he caught the chair
He laid down he put the chair over his head For
some strange reason I want to do that spot with
blade bandit I don't know why but I'm feeling
blade bandit for that spot Right? That would
actually be funny. Especially like Geno's or
something. I don't know. That would be funny
as hell. Right, exactly. But yeah, just I don't
know who his last opponent's going to be. That's
the thing. I think they'll probably do John Cena
versus Edge if Edge does come back for SummerSlam.
The way they're thinking is We already have Matt
Cardona as a mystery opponent. There's still
one other mystery opponent for Monday Night Raw.
Joe Hendry. 100 % it's going to be Joe Hendry.
So at that point, they still have one more announcement
of four other people, I believe it is. Because
it was, they already announced. I think you guys
see Dolph Ziggler as one of them for SmackDown.
So they did announcements after the first set
of four. for the next four people for next monday
so i believe and then they just announced another
four so that's four eight twelve so on monday
after the next two matches advance they have
four other people that still have not been announced
yet for this tournament that makes 16. I think
Dolph Ziggler is going to be one of them. Who
is going to be? I couldn't because three have
to be people that are on the current roster.
And right now they just confirmed Carmelo Hayes,
Bronson Reed. You forgot one. You forgot one,
though. You forgot one. They also claimed NXT
as well. So we can see an NXT star. People that
don't work here. They haven't put anyone on the
show that has not worked here. Matt Cardona.
Matt Cardona's on TNA. He's on the TNA payroll.
I know it's impossible, but I would kill to hear,
sorry about your damn luck. I want to be honest
with you. I wouldn't give a fuck. I wouldn't.
I was a Bobby Roode guy over fucking Storm. I
was no Storm over Roode. Fuck, dude. Dude, America's
Most Wanted was way better than Beer Money, in
my opinion. I don't know. Beer Money was great,
though. I don't know. If we got an OG TNA guy,
you know what I mean? They have half the OG.
Yeah, if you want the best OG TNA guy, you gotta
get Samoa Joe, and he's signed in AEW right now.
So we have Finn Balor and Penta, and then it's
Carmella Hayes and Bronson. as the next four.
Of course, we know that Bronson's going to win
that, which sucks because Kamau Hayes should
win. Bronson's going to win and then between
Finn Balor and Penta, I feel like Penta's going
to go over. I don't know. I wanted Balor so bad
to come out when Seth Rollins gave up the title.
I wanted Balor to come out and just look at Rollins
and be like, hey, asshole, now you see how it
fucking feels. Right, exactly. Honestly, it makes
me sad. I don't think Finn Balor's been used
right since he's come back from NXT. Sorry, I've
got to move the JP O 'Reilly piece of my house.
Don't ask me whether it's cheese grater. I was
just going to say, is that actually from JP O
'Reilly? No, but there's a reason I bought this
belt, this one specifically, is because I'm a
huge Finn Balor fan. Yeah, it's the original
Universal when it was red. I do have the Balor
plates for it. I just don't know where they are
at the moment. They're packed in the other room
somewhere still. But the reason I bought this
one is because I'm a huge Balor fan. And I was
really excited when he won the damn freaking
title. I was really sad when they had to give
it up after a day. But I mean, you blow your
shoulder out. Yeah, I get it. You got to give
it up. But my problem with it is he's never gotten
a rematch for the belt. Not a legit one. What,
Brock Lesnar? Yeah, of course Balor's going to
lose to that. The fucking Bork Lesnar, the blonde
gorilla. Bork Laser. Bork Laser. Me Bork. Suplex.
That's coming from me. Seriously, it's just like...
I'd love for them to let Finn be the original
Finn that was like the prince again. When he
went back to NXT and became the prince and came
back up, they should have let him have a run
with that. Then they should have let him have
a run with that and have the demon show up once.
And the demon destroy whoever he was against
and win the damn heavyweight title again. So,
yeah. I know, right? Exactly, exactly. Finn Balor
retweeted me once and I will always remember
that. It was almost as cool as Demotion Smash
retweeted me. Actually, you're responding to
my tweet. Totally off topic. I've seen... I don't
know if TNA Turning Point was tonight or not,
but I'm seeing random fucking reports about it.
I don't know. Are you seeing that Dirty Dom is
retiring? No. TNA Turning Point... stats of the
show, and I'm like, when the fuck did Turning
Point become a fucking... Why am I seeing results
right now at the current moment? Is it live on
TV right now or some shit? No, they wouldn't
put Turning Point up against SmackDown. I have
no clue. People were posting about it after SmackDown
ended. I'm thinking because what's going around
right now is because Dango has announced that
he's retiring. So, for example, at Turning Point,
Charlie, again, this is Turning Point TNA. Charlie
Dempsey, Brooks Jensen, Lexus King, Channing
Lorenzo, Robert Stone, and the High Rise attacked
Santino Morella, Frankie Kazanian, Mike Santana,
Nick Nemeth, Steve Macklin, and Ryan Nemeth.
So it was tonight actually turning point 2025
was a professional wrestling event produced by
TNA It took place on November 14th at Full Sail
University. Oh, so it's alive at 11 o 'clock
at night. What the fuck? Yep At turning point
doesn't Xavier return TNA war games on fucking
I think so. Oh, maybe yeah But this is currently
happening right now. Why the fuck would they
thought, hey, let's do a Friday night 11 p .m.
in pay -per -view? It's probably because they
didn't want to run against WWE. Holy shit. Why
don't you do it on fucking Saturday or Sunday?
There's no pay -per -view. They get the full
rascals back together. Yeah, I saw the rascals.
Why are we doing this at 11 o 'clock at night?
I don't know. But did you see that Dango is retiring?
Dango is retiring, yep. And he was supposed to
be on the most recent... EWA. EWA, yep. That's
right. He's stepping back for his family, it
looks like. I got his whole speech here, but
we don't have to listen to it. Well, yeah, we
probably should listen to it because I advertised
it for tonight's show. he came in and he uh you
know addressed a crowd that he you know he just
recently got married and he's talking to his
wife and he's i went to college with his wife
by the way fun little fact yeah totally off topic
completely um my mom went to high school with
adam sandler i know that has nothing to do with
what we're talking about if we want to talk immediately
thought about it. I don't know if I brought this
up before, but if we're going to be talking about
this shit, let me just say this then. I went
to high school in Massachusetts for a couple
years, and the teacher that I had, even though
she was a ginormous senior next Tuesday, her
daughter came in from time to time, and she was
very nice. Her daughter is best friends with
John Cena. She invited him to her wedding. And
he showed up after a show in a top tux and jorts.
That's awesome. Look at this motherfucking sellout.
I kind of want to go buy that. Motherfucker posted
it and was like woo woo woo and it says broski
of the week. You know it. I know it. And there's
a broski in the front. Who do you think our bud,
Hooligan Bam, probably bought a t -shirt tonight.
I assume so, yeah. 100%. And by the way, the
shit that he's doing is fucking awesome. It's
the shit that I wanted us all to do. I've been
on his thing. I know. That's what I wanted all
of us to do at those shows, but we couldn't get
it going. But not the same style, but going in
and asking fans who they wanted or whatever.
But I really like the shit that he's doing. Anyways,
check him out. He's on Instagram and TikTok.
This is Daniel's retirement speech. I got married
two months ago. These animals were here. They
were there. Moose was making a fool of himself
on the dance floor. Tommy Dreamer wore a Ribeiro
jacket to my wedding. So my wife slash handler
and I have been talking a lot lately over the
last couple weeks. What the fuck does that mean?
It's the same thing we say about our roles. We've
decided that after Genesis in January that I'm
going to be retiring from in -ring action. I
didn't want to just throw this at you guys out
here, but I want to do it here in Orlando in
this arena at Full Sail because this place means
the freaking world to me. Yeah, so basically
he then talks about having a funny replacement
to be in their group. And I don't know if the
guys in the group knew because everyone was like,
what the fuck? Like their reaction to it. So,
yeah. Yeah, that's what it is, unfortunately,
but it's kind of wild. I didn't think that explains
why TNA pulled him from the EWA show. Yep. That'll
do it. My fucking eyeballs right now. I got to
piss so bad. That's fine. We're going to end
it here unless you guys want to go into botches.
No. You guys gave me such a fucking bad hard
time about botches. I got botches. I got botches.
As you're typing into YouTube right now. You're
fucking right I am. I'm going to the old and
trusty guy that I know. He has fucking botches
ready to go. Old reliable. Wave goodbye to the
listeners. Yeah, okay. Before that, yeah. Thank
you guys for listening to the podcast. Thank
you for listening to us ramble. Yeah, us ramble.
It got sidetracked really bad because, you know,
Samuel Matthews had to fucking ruin everything.
But you can catch us live every Friday, 9 p .m.
Eastern Standard Time. The only way you can catch
the full show, because we have to cut all this
shit out, because you guys will have absolutely
no idea what's going on. and it would make no
fucking sense for the audio listeners. The only
way you can catch the full show is you watch
here live every Friday night p .m. Eastern Standard
Time. But for the audio listeners, if you can,
give us a five -star rating. Five -star Fox Flash.
Five -star Fox Flash, that bitch. And yeah, wave
goodbye to the audio listeners there, GP. He's
not paying attention. He's not paying attention.
I'll do it for him. Waving goodbye to all the
audio listeners, and we'll be back basically
for you guys doing our plugs. But for the guys
watching, we're getting into the botches. All
right. All right, do your plugs. Me? Yeah, go
ahead. All right. You can find me on all social
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-X. Jesus Christ, that homeboy almost died. Upcoming
shows. November 21st, Ring Wars in Brewer where
I take on Chad Casanova, the little sanctimonious
little so -and -so. November 22nd will be Phoenix
in Brewer, Maine. Phoenix Pro. I don't know who
I'm taking on. We'll figure that out when we
get there, I guess. November 28th will be Main
Event Wrestling in Franklin, Maine. Jesus Christ,
that homeboy almost died. November 29th will
be North Atlantic Wrestling Association in Farmington.
December 5th, again, North Atlantic Wrestling
Association in Geno's. December 6th will be Maiden
Premier Wrestling, where we take on Samuel Matthews
and Lights On Lou Filler for nothing, but we're
going to kick their asses, and that'll be in
Indian Island. December 19th, NAWA. in Sanford,
and December 27th, NAWA, back at Skip's. Skip
Hizzle, do your shit. You can find me at jporiley
at YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, C, Pornhub, RedTube,
pretty much everything that I have is the same
exact thing as Dylan Nex right now. You can catch
me, I am a backup. In the event that somebody
cancels, gets hurt, whatever, for Ring Wars,
I will probably be in attendance for there. I
also just looked at my calendar and realized
I have three things fucking happening that Friday,
so I don't know where the fuck I'm going to be
by the time that show starts. In between, I have
a fucking interview. I have to pick up my child.
I have a parent -teacher conference that day.
I don't know where the fuck I'm going to be.
And then you can catch me from November 28th.
So that's Black Friday. You can catch me in Franklin
for MEW. Me and Dylan Nix are going to have a
family -friendly pie -eating contest to determine
the number one contendership. Didn't even mention
that. The fact that... Okay, listen. I'm a big
boy. I can throw down some fucking pie. I promise
you that this is going to be a challenge for
you. I promise you. But I don't even know what's...
I don't know what's going to happen. I just work
here. This is the pure definition of I just work
here. Will it be a match? Who knows? Will we
actually stuff our faces with pie in that attempt
to wrestle before one of us? I feel like what's
going to happen is the first one to puke loses.
This is what's going to happen because we're
going to stuff. I were trying to wrestle and
you're going to give me a fucking destroyer.
I'm just going to fuck. Exploder, but vomit.
Anyways, November 29th, I will be in Farmington
for North Atlantic Wrestling Association, followed
by December 5th, IWE reunion show, the place
where J .P. O 'Reilly was born. I can't get into
too many details because what I'm doing has not
been announced yet. fucking tell you something.
It is going to be a fucking throwback. I want
to see shit to tits. It better be shit to tits.
Fucking throwback of the goddamn fucking century.
There's going to be so many fucking callbacks.
I can't confirm anything. No, Punky the Penguin
died in a fucking horrific fire accident. You
can go watch a promo. Same with your mic. He
died in a fucking horrific fire. Anyways, Remind
me to buy you a mic. Reunion show Friday the
5th. Give me a whole fucking laptop. Give me
your whole fucking laptop. Merry fucking Christmas.
Anyways, go buy your fucking drivers. The following
day, we'll be in Indian Island, me and Dylan
Nix. After having, prior to a week before having
a phenomenal pie -eating contest, we will be
tag -teaming together against The Pathway, or
The Cuckway, as I would fucking call them. As
well as, later in December, the 27th, we'll be
in Buxton. I'll be in Buxton. For North America's
Association. Oh, God. What the fuck? That was
gross. Yeah. That's all I got. Nick at Tyler
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Facebook and Twitter. You can find me at Ring
Wars 25th. That's it. First, 21st, whatever.
I got it on my board up there. It's 21st. 21st,
going against Adam Ricker. December 5th. IWE
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No, next Friday is the Ring Wars. Oh, really?
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