1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,400 Hi, and welcome to the pool party. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,620 This is Jules. 3 00:00:06,620 --> 00:00:10,460 So let me paint a scene for you. 4 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:13,780 It was a scene that happened not too long ago. 5 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:22,640 I flew into Los Angeles from Maui and I was planning on spending the next two months there. 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:30,200 I stayed in an apartment in a room that I rented out from my friend Marlon because his 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:38,800 roommate was going to go on tour with Malini Martinez for like two months and his roommates 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,420 also pretty sick. 9 00:00:40,420 --> 00:00:44,720 They have danced for Mitski, who is my idol. 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Love her. 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:53,400 Before I get too off track, Marlon, the saint he is, he's the people's work husband and 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,940 I interviewed him on the last podcast, so go listen to that if you want to hear more 13 00:00:58,940 --> 00:01:01,840 about him and his designs. 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,100 But Marlon and I have been friends for quite some time and one of the best things about 15 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:14,040 living with him this summer in LA was also meeting some of his design friends. 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,420 He knows what it's like to be a freelancer, to be a design freelancer, and we both worked 17 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:25,960 in the tech industry before fully moving over to design and what the design industry has 18 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:28,960 become or is going through these days. 19 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:35,780 And then so the great thing was I was able to go to his studio and take a desk while 20 00:01:35,780 --> 00:01:41,160 he was working and some of his other coworkers were working and I met someone. 21 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:49,560 Her name is Paley and Paley walks into the office after two weeks of being in New York, 22 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:56,600 amazing skirt, down to the floor, fantastic officewear style and the sweetest little dog 23 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,360 named Peach. 24 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,520 So today we're going to chat with Paley and I got her on a call to talk more about art 25 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,880 and design and what she does outside of work because I got to see her working a lot this 26 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,600 summer, let me tell you. 27 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,600 And yeah, I'm really glad to have Paley on the podcast and if you want to see more of 28 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,160 her work and her paintings and her art and design, you can check out the description 29 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,320 and find the links to her work below. 30 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,640 And before we get into the interview, I just want to let you know that I will continue 31 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:33,800 to be interviewing other artists and designers on the pool party. 32 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:39,480 If you know of an artist or designer who you think would be fantastic to have on the show, 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,000 feel free to send me an email, you can find it on my websites. 34 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,200 And with that, let's get started. 35 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Hi Paley, thank you so much for joining me today. 36 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Obviously, I know a bit about you already but I also feel like there's just things 37 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,320 I don't know about your drawing, your art. 38 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,720 So maybe give us a little bit of an intro for the pool party today and then we'll dive 39 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,720 in. 40 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Cool, okay. 41 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,520 So my name is Paley. 42 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,960 My artist's name is Paley Jean. 43 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Jean is my middle name so that's kind of what I use for my art brand. 44 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,440 I'm a full-time designer professionally at a company called Funk House. 45 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,760 It's a digital branding agency so we focus on web design and pretty much any kind of 46 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,360 digital design. 47 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:33,680 I also draw and paint, mainly women and former music industry professionals so music is still 48 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,480 a big part of my life but sort of in a different way. 49 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,720 So yeah, I would say like big picture, I'm all about art and music. 50 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,720 Those are my two top priorities in life. 51 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,560 Yeah, and tell me about the music industry because I know you mentioned that to me before 52 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,080 but I have no idea what it's like to work in the music industry where you even did. 53 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Yeah, so I started writing about music in high school and it was kind of an outlet. 54 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,800 I grew up in the suburbs of Atlanta and I just started getting super into music and 55 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:13,080 I felt like a lot of the people around me weren't as into it as I was so writing helped 56 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:19,800 me explore that and I started interviewing artists and that gave me a broader creative 57 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,840 community where it was kind of lacking where I was specifically. 58 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:31,040 So yeah, the whole music journalism thing kick started my career in the music industry. 59 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,280 So I kept doing the writing thing for a while but I also worked at record labels, I worked 60 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:45,120 at a streaming service, I did everything from again writing to PR, sales, artist relations. 61 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,360 It was a lot of fun but I did it for six years and then I felt like I was done with that 62 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:56,680 chapter and I wanted to move into something more creative because I have been drawing 63 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:02,920 since I was a kid and in my 20s that kind of came back to me and started becoming a 64 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,400 bigger part of my life. 65 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:11,400 So when I felt like my music industry career was over for lack of a better expression, 66 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,320 like I don't know, I just felt like I needed to explore that creative side of myself a 67 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:22,360 little bit more and so that's why I decided to pivot and do design and also just dive 68 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,040 into my art in a deeper way. 69 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Yeah, wait, that's awesome. 70 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,760 That's so cool. 71 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,640 So you started in journalism and then from there, what kind of musicians were you writing 72 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,160 about? 73 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,280 So in high school I was super into hip hop and I loved that hip hop takes you on a journey. 74 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:43,600 So you listen to one song and then you learn about the sample of that song and you know 75 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,960 what I mean, it's like you could just keep diving deeper and deeper and deeper. 76 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,280 And so I was really obsessed with hip hop when I was younger, but definitely not as 77 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:56,480 in touch with current like popular hip hop. 78 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,040 I don't connect to that as much, but that's what it was all about in high school and I 79 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,880 wrote this column called Timeless Tuesdays. 80 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:11,200 So I'd focus on a timeless hip hop artist like Warren Hill or Know the Roots, Common 81 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,400 and I would write about them and you know every Tuesday. 82 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,520 So that became something that I like was super passionate about. 83 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,760 And then going deeper into my career, I worked at Def Jam. 84 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:30,560 So again, working with like more hip hop artists, R&B I'm a big fan of, worked at Tidal and 85 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,480 worked with a lot of up and coming reggae artists. 86 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,400 I worked at just like different companies and focused on artists across genres. 87 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,680 But one thing that I was very like proud of and excited about was when I worked at Tidal, 88 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,440 I worked with a lot of Jamaican artists who were then like really on the come up and now 89 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,800 it's cool to have seen their careers grow and to be like oh you're like signed to a 90 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,800 major label in the States now or you're winning this award for the best artist of the year. 91 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,160 And so I've always like kind of had my eye on up and comers and then like classic artists. 92 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,200 So maybe I'm all about artists that are popular now but I've kind of found myself like in 93 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,560 those more niche areas. 94 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,880 So yeah, I don't know. 95 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,520 I could keep going on and on. 96 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,520 That's awesome. 97 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,520 Big picture. 98 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:17,520 Yeah. 99 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Yeah, no, that's amazing. 100 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,000 And I think music is really fun to work with too. 101 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,880 Like I'm always listening to playlists when I design. 102 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Is there like any artists these days that like you channel as you make your work? 103 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Do you listen to music while you paint or is it silence? 104 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,600 So this is funny because I recently started listening to music again while I paint because 105 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,160 for a while I was just turning on Netflix and I would watch like True Crime while I 106 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,160 painted. 107 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,160 I love it. 108 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,320 But like something just to keep my mind stimulated. 109 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,720 It is really embarrassing to admit that. 110 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,520 Not just True Crime but other things. 111 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,840 It's so relatable though. 112 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,880 Honestly, like I'm designing sometimes too and I don't know like we're like watching 113 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:01,880 like the TheraNose. 114 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Have you seen that like the dropout? 115 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,760 And they were like people are getting hacked on TV and like wow, that's crazy. 116 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,880 I recently started listening to music again while I paint. 117 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:15,560 I have a TV in my like I paint basically here in my living room and I have my TV so I'll 118 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:22,840 put on a YouTube channel and it'll be like a DJ playing like R&B or reggae or whatever 119 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,840 like the vibe is. 120 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,600 R&B is usually my top go-to especially just like painting. 121 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:35,120 You can kind of set a nice chill vibe and I feel like it kind of goes with my style too. 122 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,640 Like my art style is really sensual and like I don't know what it is but R&B couples well 123 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:42,640 with it. 124 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Yeah, yeah I know. 125 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:49,600 I love your style of artwork too because it is like so graphic body focused and shapely 126 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,400 so that's why I wanted to ask. 127 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,120 I was like I feel like I could almost see some like synesthesia in your work. 128 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Oh yeah, that's when you hear color. 129 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:04,920 Yeah or like even shapes maybe like the audio visual connection. 130 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Yeah. 131 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Yeah, I was thinking about this recently because sometimes I feel like I need to plug into 132 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,920 music in order to kickstart my drawing. 133 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,800 Like when I sit down and I'm kind of like really involved in a song or an album it helps 134 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,640 inform my drawing and again I wasn't doing that for a while so I kind of forgot about 135 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,680 it but now that I've been doing it more and like oh this is so cool because if I'm listening 136 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:38,280 to like a fast-paced I don't know song it's my drawing probably gonna look a lot different 137 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,400 than if I was listening to something slower just because it's affecting my mood. 138 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Yeah. 139 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,960 So yeah definitely gonna keep on that music music journey turn off the true crime. 140 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Yeah I hear that. 141 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Okay so you paint in your free time you're a full-time designer how do you I guess stay 142 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:04,160 inspired between work and just like the things that you love to do on the side? 143 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,760 So I feel like my work exercises a different part of my creative brain than my art does 144 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,880 which is good because I they're two completely different things. 145 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,680 So staying inspired well first off getting off of the computer and getting out of my 146 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:24,960 house because with design there's so much screen time and there's so much I work partially 147 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,960 in the office partially from home so if I'm at home for too long I'm like oh I don't even 148 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,560 want to paint at my home because I just I've spent enough time here so it is really important 149 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:39,320 for me to get out and like have fun honestly. 150 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:45,280 Have fun be in nature just turn everything off and then kind of get back to my art from 151 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,560 there because I think something that I was focusing on before is like hyper productivity 152 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:54,680 like if you know I need to be making art all the time I need to do X Y and Z but I've realized 153 00:10:54,680 --> 00:11:00,960 going slower and allowing myself more fun free flexible time in my life has actually 154 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,760 made me a better artist and it's made me like made those creative moments more quality. 155 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,160 I'm all about quality over quantity these days. 156 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,720 Yeah yeah I think that's something I think about a lot too. 157 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,400 I feel like it's so easy to just kind of be like oh yeah this is like my job I'm gonna 158 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,800 like design and make something like amazing for all those hours but then that doesn't 159 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:30,160 even really happen and then sometimes like for me personally like I just need to like 160 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,560 be a person to the world and I think nature is something that like I like to connect with 161 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:40,200 but yeah I don't know like what my expectations were when I started designing because it was 162 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,400 really fun like to begin you know like when you're just like learning things and oh you 163 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,600 know one thing that's interesting too is that you told me that you like to keep on taking 164 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,560 courses and learning. 165 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:56,680 Yeah how how is that for you and like have you taken anything recently that has like 166 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:58,200 inspired you? 167 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,640 I'm taking improv. 168 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,560 Oh yeah okay. 169 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:06,680 And I love it because I think it's made me realize I mean I've taken art courses obviously 170 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:13,160 in the past but yeah because I've been prioritizing art and like productivity and all that so 171 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,640 much I was neglecting some of the other things on my list like improv and there's like a 172 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:23,200 bunch of other checklisty like courses or like just different things I want to do and 173 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,440 I think that even like bringing that into the fold has just freed me up and like has 174 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,920 broadened my perspective so it's cool to do something totally random that can still 175 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:38,160 inform your creativity and that's been a lot of fun because it's you know it helps 176 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,640 you just loosen up as a human. 177 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,400 Yeah wait so what inspired you to do improv and what are the classes like? 178 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,400 I know. 179 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,400 So curious yeah. 180 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:54,560 So there's UCB, Upright Citizens Brigade which is a famous improv school. 181 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:59,680 There's two of them basically within both within a 10 minute driving distance from me 182 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:04,800 and I moved to LA three and a half years ago and I have a great community out here but 183 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,960 I'm all about like community building and I felt sort of like I want to keep expanding 184 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,160 my community here. 185 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:18,040 I want to do something that you know a lot of my hobbies are more solo like art, writing 186 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,960 you know like solo and sedentary so I wanted to do something where I could meet people 187 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:29,120 and laugh and have fun and move my body and exercise my brain and so I have a good friend 188 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:35,520 that's into it and she sent me a group on for this improv course and I just felt like 189 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,200 yeah now's the time to pull the trigger on this. 190 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,440 So now I'm halfway through and there's a performance in October so. 191 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,440 Whoa love it. 192 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,960 All right I'll see how it goes. 193 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,960 That's so cool. 194 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,000 Where is that performance happening? 195 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,440 It's at one of the theaters it's at the same theater that I do my class at. 196 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,200 Cool cool I love it. 197 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Yeah I did a little bit of improv in college and that was fun but it was like kind of like 198 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,040 a lot of games like pretty random. 199 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Yeah yeah and like I think it's fun I think it depends who your scene partners are too 200 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,400 like that helps a lot. 201 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Yeah. 202 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,400 And your teacher too. 203 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:19,360 I mean from what I hear your teacher can really make or break your class and I have a great 204 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:25,600 teacher and all my classmates are super nice and it's everyone from you know professional 205 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,840 well yeah I guess professional actors to people like me that are doing it to get out of their 206 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,120 comfort zone and just doing it for fun. 207 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,440 So it's cool to be like on that journey with with those people and just have a safe space 208 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,280 to get silly and just have a good time. 209 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,800 Yeah yeah. 210 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,120 So I'm curious I'm asking for myself like kind of going back to when you transition 211 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:55,320 from music to doing design you said that you kind of felt like your music career was done 212 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:01,520 was that like a personal feeling like you just wanted a change of scenery or like tell 213 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,600 me more about that because I'm kind of trying to figure out for myself like how to hone 214 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,760 in on like a specific subject and I think as creative sometimes it's like you know you 215 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,600 love to like dip your feet into like all these different things so it's cool to hear that 216 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:23,680 you do classes and then but like what is the moment where you were like okay I need to 217 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 like switch my career. 218 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,200 Well it was a pandemic moment so I can't say I'm the most unique thing in the world but 219 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:40,200 I okay so the very last job that I had in music was working for a record label and my 220 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:46,240 boss was great so shout out to her but the work just wasn't suitable for me like it was 221 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:53,360 a lot dealing with data and numbers so I was on a streaming team our artists to different 222 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:58,280 streaming services tracking how all the music was performing across the services seeing 223 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:03,160 what you know where they were placed on all the playlists so a lot of times that's like 224 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:09,760 manually counting all the songs to see the number wow where that song is and it's really 225 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:16,920 really tedious work and I think for a lot of music jobs you have to be 150% in in order 226 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:24,520 for it to be a sustainable lifestyle so I think I realized like this I did a lot of 227 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,720 other great things but like some of those companies weren't the healthiest places like 228 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,400 and then the last job I was like you know what I've had a lot of fun in this industry 229 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:39,740 but I just feel like it's time for me to explore other things and I can explore music on my 230 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:44,840 own terms so probably the most things way for me to put it is I realized I'm a music 231 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:52,360 person not a music industry person so because it really does take a specific personality 232 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:59,400 type to do that for your entire life so I just kind of realized okay I'm gonna move 233 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:05,160 on and I decided to sign up for Shillington which is a graphic design boot camp and I 234 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,560 did quit my job and do the boot camp and focus on that and my art and then luckily I ended 235 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:17,400 up landing a full-time job at Funkhouse after yeah it's been a good journey which is amazing 236 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:24,160 and you did Shillington online too didn't you yeah yeah I love that yeah so you know 237 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,480 what's interesting is hearing you talk about like the data and numbers side of the music 238 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:35,160 industry I feel like sometimes a lot of creative roles turn into like data roles lately where 239 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,840 they're like oh we need to track this like metrics because I worked in social for a bit 240 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:46,440 too and it started to be like okay how can we just get like the most amount of likes 241 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,680 and views and and some of that too is just kind of like I don't know like let's just 242 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:57,120 look in to see what is the most popular which can kind of be like a creative suck at times 243 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:02,400 yeah I mean that's just the case with so many creative jobs right now you're right and it's 244 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,080 like yeah maybe there's not a perfect 100 perfect job out there but if you're in a creative 245 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,960 role that's like very inundated with the data thing and that's not your thing it will really 246 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:22,640 drive you nuts so I don't know I think yeah that's just really how I feel like streaming 247 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:31,320 would totally be like that too like it's so topical even with like tv yeah is there so 248 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,840 you like to watch true crime I know you said you're like trying not to watch so much anymore 249 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,440 but are there like any other shows that you're watching because I feel like LA is really 250 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,360 big like topically like everyone's always talking about like movies and shows they're 251 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:50,720 watching that's a great question yeah oh my god lately I've just been watching Brooklyn 252 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:57,480 9-9 which is a comedy with Andy Samberg yeah it's nice to watch something that's very lightweight 253 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,760 you know like something that's not serious and that's silly that you can just have on 254 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:07,160 in the background so I'm not completely sucked into any one show right now that's just what 255 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:13,240 I've been watching yeah I don't I don't know what else but I mean I will say that I do 256 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:18,360 love to have a show that I'm like completely sucked into I cannot wait to get back to on 257 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:25,640 watch I'm just lacking that right now so totally open to suggestions yeah yeah I I watch a 258 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:31,600 lot of like so there's a dropout that's like you know she had a company and then it kind 259 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:38,240 of like fell apart I have been on this kick with my mom recently of like scammers so we 260 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:46,400 watched like the whole Anna Delvey like mockumentary too yeah and yeah it's like almost too real 261 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:56,360 but it's it's fun to watch there's also Griselda oh yeah yeah Griselda's good yeah but I'm 262 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:02,360 kind of similar like when I'm working I like to put on I don't know maybe like some music 263 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:09,120 a DJ set something that kind of has rhythm to it because it helps me stay engaged I kind 264 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:15,240 of have like a little bit of ADHD and I will like scroll online which can be a little bit 265 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,720 unfortunate to my creativity at times but like all like when I was living with Marlon 266 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,600 this summer we're both big scrollers so sometimes maybe like scrolling and the volumes up and 267 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:32,080 I'm like okay we need to stop yeah just online I don't know I have mixed feelings about social 268 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:41,240 media I always have but yeah exactly I think that's like the big issue and I work in social 269 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,320 media so sometimes it's like I go through periods where I'm not on it at all because 270 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,520 I don't have to and I'll be like reading books and then I'll get a job where they're like 271 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:55,360 we need to make social content and I'm like okay great like let's get let's get back into 272 00:20:55,360 --> 00:21:05,880 the algorithm yeah yeah yeah so mentioning like traveling and adventure tell me about 273 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,720 like the places you traveled this year and do you have any other future travel plans 274 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:16,000 yes I had a great travel year I feel like I'm gonna forget some now that I'm talking 275 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:23,520 about it okay so I went to Jamaica in February February is Jamaican music month and so there's 276 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,480 kind of stuff going on and I I've been there a few times and this was like probably my 277 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:34,920 favorite time going out there because now I have more of a community out there and I 278 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,120 went with some friends who also work in that industry with a lot of Jamaican artists and 279 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:44,160 like it just and they flew in from New York so it just felt like honestly a week-long 280 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:50,280 party it was like reconnecting with people being surrounded by music like partying just 281 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:56,560 it was such a blast it was I couldn't have had a better time and then I went to New York 282 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:03,000 for a month in May and let's see what else all right God I've done other things but my 283 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:10,640 upcoming trips are I'm going to Portland in October to see my friends who are a married 284 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,080 couple that just had their first baby and I'm so excited and I'm also going to England 285 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:23,200 and Lisbon yeah yeah I remember you saying that um tell me about like your England and 286 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Lisbon trip like what do you have planned so I'm meeting up with my mom and her boyfriend 287 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,280 in England for a few days they're actually going to stay there for a month so that's 288 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,880 going to be fun to see them and then I'm going to do a solo trip in Lisbon basically I was 289 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,320 supposed to go to Portugal a few years ago with my mom and sister but I my passport was 290 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:52,280 going to expire in like two and a half months and Portugal requires that your passport is 291 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:58,200 valid for three months beyond your stay which I didn't realize okay so 292 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:05,800 we got stopped basically like we got stopped in England they like wouldn't let me through 293 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,000 and so I spent a week in England and I got to see Stonehenge and Oxford and like I was 294 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,840 based in London but this time is like hey my passport's valid now I'm going to actually 295 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,400 see this trip through and I think it's going to be a blast yeah that's awesome have you 296 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,120 been to Lisbon before never because I've never been you there and I hear so many people go 297 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:34,240 there and they love it and they just never leave what happens to me yeah I'm I'm kind 298 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:40,280 of like itching to get out of the country do some more travel maybe even like work abroad 299 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:46,440 for a bit so if you hear of anything cool like I don't know I like whispers to the grapevine 300 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,400 like like when people travel and they're like oh I saw this cool thing and that's how I 301 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,160 get my wax yeah I actually have heard about something that's it's calling I think it's 302 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:01,680 called a yawn y-o-n and there work it's kind of like a we work I don't know how to describe 303 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,600 it you can stay there in different countries and just be around other digital nomads or 304 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,760 other people that are like traveling and working but it's like a built-in community and you 305 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,560 can actually stay and work there and be around other people doing the same thing so there's 306 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:23,440 my little whisper through the grapevine for you okay yeah yeah no I definitely want to 307 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,360 look into that yeah because I was talking with Marlinton he was like you know maybe 308 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:34,240 I want to travel like three months Argentina or Lisbon I'm like that would be sweet I 309 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:42,000 wonder we could probably like organize contract jobs but that's always like I don't know 310 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,120 you're kind of like crossing your fingers and just hoping and maybe that works maybe 311 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:51,640 yeah but something organized could be cool yeah yeah I think it's really good to switch 312 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,000 up the routine and I think something that I'm realizing now is you don't have to do 313 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,560 a year you don't have to like uproot your life it's really nice just to be able to go 314 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,320 somewhere for like even a short amount of time just to get a little taste of it if a 315 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,800 month feels more feasible and less daunting than like do a month but it's good to switch 316 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:17,680 it up and just be somewhere new because we get very you know we get in our little routines 317 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,080 and I think we're always going to grow if we put ourselves in new environments and around 318 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:30,200 new people so yeah seriously yeah I meet like the coolest people and I'm traveling and yeah 319 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:37,200 I'm staying with my parents right now in Idaho and it's been like a very fiery season the 320 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,680 air quality has been like so dusty there'll be some good days but I romanticize like even 321 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:49,200 like driving up to Montana a lot like camping yeah exactly it doesn't be abroad either I 322 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:55,040 think that's the other thing is we have so many cool places in the states that we can 323 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:01,800 go see even just for a few days Montana is gorgeous yeah it's super beautiful I haven't 324 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:08,720 been to Portland in a minute last time I went was actually 2020 like in February 2020 I 325 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:16,320 have a friend who lives up there and he makes pants now so like you like yeah he likes to 326 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,000 make jeans and then the agency I'm working at is actually based in Portland right now 327 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:29,080 so yeah I thought that was interesting yeah yeah I didn't tell you what I ended up doing 328 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,880 but I am like contracted to make memes for Yahoo right now which is like yeah which is 329 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:42,080 kind of why I was like talking to you about like Tidal and like tech a little bit because 330 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,600 I feel like I've been trying to kind of like get away from tech in my work but it's so 331 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:56,200 hard to and I'm also working part-time at a studio in Boise and the guy is really cool 332 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:02,320 like he's actually worked a lot more I think like traditional advertising for like snowboarding 333 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:10,360 companies and maybe some like adjacent brands like he did some branding for like this snack 334 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:15,560 food that is like promoted towards like snowboarders and there's like so many like snowboarders 335 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:21,240 out here and people who ski which is kind of fun like I like the attitude of people 336 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:28,760 who like sports and don't just you know work too much yeah separate from the culture like 337 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,480 you know when you're in a city and it just feels like you know everything is very like 338 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:39,640 pop culture related or I don't know how to say yeah or like the trends like there's this 339 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,880 main vein of like what people are talking about and then there's like everything else 340 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:50,760 like so much else in the world like sport and it's so refreshing it's refreshing to 341 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:56,480 be around people that are just not that that like don't really care about look having the 342 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:06,360 perfect fit or yeah be in nature and do sports or do sports touch some grass touch some snow 343 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:14,400 yeah yeah it's super weird too because it everything changes really fast and what I'm 344 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,040 noticing is like it kind of it's like eating itself right now where people are like we 345 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,120 don't want to be too on trend and like they'll try really hard not to which which is kind 346 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:28,320 of like I think goes to say like why not just be yourself anyways and like the things you 347 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:35,480 like you know go out explore the world like learn some new things yeah I couldn't agree 348 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:43,760 more yeah fuck friends yeah no seriously I yeah I know it's super annoying and I get 349 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,160 annoyed with myself too sometimes because I'm like what's trending and I'm like nothing 350 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:55,440 like literally nothing like people are annoying cool it's trending in my little universe yeah 351 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,240 zero on that I know I hear that yeah and I love looking at the paintings going on in 352 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:07,200 the background right now could you like tell me that some of them yeah like so I was to 353 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:14,320 you I wish I mean I could go grab one that I'm proud of yes please I can wow I'm gonna 354 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:22,720 be able to put this whole thing into I love it yeah so this one I did for fun I had bought 355 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:29,760 some big canvases at Home Goods which is another pro tip especially for new painters it's you 356 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:36,240 can get really cheap canvases at like Goodwill sometimes or Home Goods any kind of store 357 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,960 like that probably you've even TJ Maxx so yeah I got that and I don't have a ton of 358 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:49,160 experience painting with acrylic so I wanted to paint one of the drawings that I had done 359 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,320 so I like already knew what I was gonna paint I knew the toys I knew the palette but right 360 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,600 now I'm working on technique and I'm learning a lot so with this one I learned a lot and 361 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,960 I know what I would do better next time and then there's another one back there that's 362 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:09,000 a commission for one of my improv classmates oh cool yeah he saw a drawing of mine that 363 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:15,080 I put on Instagram and he wanted me to paint it for him so I worked on that over the weekend 364 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,200 so right now I'm just I'm another commission I'm working on that's oil and I'm just like 365 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,840 I'm just gonna keep churning out stuff and it might be imperfect but I'm learning a lot 366 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:35,000 and right now it's about consistency and not like any kind of perfectionism yeah yeah like 367 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:42,040 what does consistency mean to you with painting so I didn't paint for a long time so it feels 368 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:48,520 good to be painting again so I think what it means is it doesn't have to be you know 369 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,320 multiple times a week it doesn't even have to be once a week I just know I need to fit 370 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:59,800 it into my schedule in some way and also just it's nice to have an extra cash flow so the 371 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:06,200 fact that some of these are related to income is motivating me to stay consistent yeah but 372 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:13,480 I think I just you know I felt like there's more to my art than I was really like I wasn't 373 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,640 putting the energy in and since I've been putting it out there a little bit more I've 374 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:23,000 been getting a lot of feedback I've been getting people you know interested so I almost felt 375 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,960 like I need to actually give this the time and energy it deserves because there's something 376 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,600 more there so I don't know that's kind of a roundabout answer but I think it's just 377 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,320 like a continuous exploration process and that's what consistency is it's not like I 378 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,400 need to make sure I'm you know it's not like any kind of rigid structure but it's just 379 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,760 doing it enough sometimes it's like how does this fit into my life and you it's so cool 380 00:31:52,760 --> 00:32:01,520 that you have deadlines and commissions yeah that helps a lot deadlines it does yeah no 381 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,640 I admire that because you're right you have to put your work out there because if you 382 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,880 want to work with people like no one will know you exist yeah you don't like consistently 383 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,400 show your work that's something I'm working on because I think I'm trying to get like 384 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:23,000 more illustration for like key art clients outside of my studio jobs right now and then 385 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,280 so sometimes it's like okay like showing my old work but then making new work even if 386 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:34,280 it's like a pretend project just to kind of like see you know what what I'm vibing with 387 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,880 what other people vibe with yeah well one thing that I am doing that's been helpful 388 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:47,680 for me is I have a checklist so I think the deadline I said that I don't have a rigid 389 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,480 structure but having like some sense of structure for me has been helpful like some structure 390 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:59,160 that lets me know I'm moving in a linear direction instead of just like oh I'm making stuff and 391 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,800 hoping that you know people will come to me wanting it so I have a checklist of camp finishing 392 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,800 these commissions I'm gonna put these prints up online I'm gonna revise my website I'm 393 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,000 gonna do X Y and Z so that there's some feeling of momentum even if I don't exactly know where 394 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,440 it's going yeah wait what's your website tell me about it oh yeah Mark so Merlin and I'm 395 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,240 saying this for your listeners even though you just interviewed him Merlin is you know 396 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,960 my my work husband co-worker at Fun House super talented designer photographer and so 397 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:42,400 many other things he's like everything work husband I just never say a bad thing about 398 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:49,920 him yeah that's my ever but he actually took the photos of me for my website and usually 399 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:56,240 I like a little camera shy but not with him I feel like he's a great person to have behind 400 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,240 the camera so he makes you feel really comfortable and he made me feel so comfortable and he 401 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,640 completely like executed my vision of what I wanted those photos to look like so they're 402 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:13,920 so good by the way I've seen them and he shot some photos of me too like many years ago 403 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,080 but you're so right he's just like disarming he's like he is behind the camera and he's 404 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,440 trying to get a shot so he's like an artist he's not being weird and has some shoots with 405 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,720 like people where they're just being a little weird and I'm like okay I feel uncomfortable 406 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:31,680 and I'm like can we like can we stop then the photos always look strange yeah and it 407 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:37,360 helps to be with someone that you feel comfortable around yeah I know him so well and I know 408 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:44,280 he wouldn't be like judging me or anything like that so that was so much fun and I do 409 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,200 need to go do a website refresh but he helped me like at that time get it to the place I 410 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,080 wanted to get it to and I don't know there's some even though I hate the superficiality 411 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:01,080 of like having to look a certain way as a like putting yourself out there as a brand 412 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:07,600 I it was fun for me to actually feel like I looked like how I wanted I looked like the 413 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:14,560 face of my brand like I wore things that I felt represented you know my art very well 414 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:24,840 and I don't know I'm not exactly articulating this but it was nice to feel yeah yeah yeah 415 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,480 totally yeah I think it's like you for me like I want to feel like kind of put together 416 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,160 but not like I don't know like I I'm still gonna show up like on a call with clients 417 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,800 sometimes and like be myself and yeah so it's just like that's it's nice to have something 418 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,800 where like people can get a headshot of you too if they were to like write about your 419 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,400 work you kind of have to kind of like hold that vision of what it's gonna be and so 420 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,920 like having a nice photo by Marlon is great what's your URL for oh yeah so it's yeah 421 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:06,640 healyjean design or notes haileyjeanmartin.com okay great healyjeanmartin.com yes so again 422 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:14,920 oh yeah okay here it is it'll be updated soon yeah I need to update my website too I think 423 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:21,280 that's like the the bane of my existence as a designer and someone who makes work is like 424 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:30,440 uh just website updates and maintenance organizing projects yeah it's it's all yeah it's ongoing 425 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,360 sometimes like I'll I'll put it off for months and then what I'm realizing now is like I 426 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,640 kind of have to do it at least like once a month just so that it doesn't build up and 427 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,560 I don't have like an existential crisis when it comes to doing it that's another thing 428 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,360 is like just chipping away at it instead of looking at this huge lump of work you have 429 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,840 to do so going back to the whole consistency thing yeah if you have the capacity to continuously 430 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,240 update it's gonna make your life so much easier instead of having that huge daunting project 431 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:10,920 of you know doing a big update sweep yeah yeah um yeah there's so many ways of presenting 432 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,760 work too so um I think sometimes like when I'm trying to find clients it's like you can 433 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:25,920 just send photos too and sometimes that works so yeah just chipping away at it is good um 434 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,360 do you have any advice for like people trying to like start their own passion project or 435 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,760 break into design so this is something that is a big theme for me lately which is just 436 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,840 don't be a perfectionist about everything and closed mouths don't get fed so both of 437 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,720 those things just put yourself out there um don't be a perfectionist but obviously make 438 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:56,200 sure that your work looks good keep learning the learning process is never over and um 439 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:02,600 just be hungry and I mean I got my current job from sending out a bunch of cold emails 440 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,720 to people at different design agencies and luckily one of those emails led to a full 441 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:15,200 time job and even with my art commissions currently I set my mind to getting more commissions 442 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,760 coming in so I actually reached back out to friends who had mentioned that they wanted 443 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,880 me to do something for them so like if you feel like there's someone that you already 444 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,680 have some creative synergy with maybe do a check back with them and or if you feel like 445 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,400 your work isn't perfect enough that's okay maybe at least still put yourself out there 446 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,880 meet up with that person for coffee just try to like be outgoing and maybe even a little 447 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,120 more aggressive than you're comfortable with because that's really the only way opportunities 448 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:53,360 will come yeah yeah and when it comes to being aggressive like what does that look like for 449 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:59,880 people who might be shy yeah okay aggressive is probably not the best word and I don't 450 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:06,280 want to say it's the only way opportunities can come but I think let's maybe not say aggressive 451 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:13,920 and just say like persistent okay so let's say you want to land a design job and you 452 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:20,040 are applying to jobs and nothing's happening so that might look like doing what I did which 453 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,760 was sending out a bunch of emails not even necessarily saying hey are there any job openings 454 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,600 but saying hey can I get on a google meet with you for 10 to 15 minutes to talk about 455 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:37,400 what you do that's great because then or a coffee but you know I think google meet 15 456 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,760 minutes it's very low stakes and people love to share their wisdom too so like not only 457 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,640 can you have a great exchange from that but they might have you and your name in the back 458 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,960 of their head if an opportunity does come up yeah absolutely I love that too because 459 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,560 it's like I think so many people are applying for jobs these days and then even I sometimes 460 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:04,560 like I posted something about my work but somehow that like triggered a bunch of people 461 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,200 to reach out to me to work with me if I was hiring I was like wait I'm not hiring I'm 462 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,840 just a person online yeah but I was like okay so that's interesting but then also I think 463 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,200 just like being intentional and like actually trying to talk with people instead of like 464 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,720 hey like are you hiring is maybe a bit more effective because what I notice is sometimes 465 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:31,800 like I think people have like automated I don't know if they're using AI I think they 466 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,000 are but they have like these automated searches linked and it just almost seems as if like 467 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,280 they're not paying attention and like some robot is like scanning linkedin like I use 468 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,280 like this phrase like are you looking for graphic design and then a bunch of people 469 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,720 were like oh you're hiring I was like no and I realized is because I put looking for in 470 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:59,080 the pedd inst yeah yeah which is super weird but yeah yeah it's a whole other road to go 471 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:05,560 down the AI road no it's that kind of stuff can be effective and it's yeah but it is interesting 472 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,600 to see like what the internet gives back to you like you were actually looking for opportunities 473 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:17,480 but it seized those two words and it's like oh no she wants employees I got spammed it 474 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:24,960 was super weird yeah so I mean that's just one thing but yeah yeah that's why it's good 475 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,760 to like just talk to people anything else you can think of I'm like trying to think 476 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,000 of like you know what I would say to myself when I started in 2020 and it was a different 477 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,880 world too because I started Chillington in person and then it moved online and then so 478 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,000 I was even like working when I was in the program still and sometimes that was just 479 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:53,120 kind of like you said like asking people what they were working on like showing them what 480 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,440 I did for design and it was kind of convenient actually because I think more people needed 481 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,720 design than they were aware of because they're like okay like this is actually gonna help 482 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:11,840 me in my work yeah yeah yeah I mean I think the other thing that comes to mind is if you 483 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,080 have other creative passion projects do those like you have your illustration and who knows 484 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,880 maybe illustration will be your main thing at some point it's really never know I think 485 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,920 it's like always worth exploring all the different things you're you're interested in and seeing 486 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:33,280 where those lead another random thought that comes to mind is just be yourself I know that 487 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,600 sounds very cliche but like speaking about social media and that kind of thing I guess 488 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,960 now people are maybe wanting a less curated look like people want to actually know who 489 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,720 the other person on the other end of the phone is like you don't have to look perfect or 490 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:57,000 present perfectly you don't have to do a copy paste of the video that an artist that you 491 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:04,480 admire did if it if it's not authentic to you so yeah those are just two of my little 492 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,680 nuggets of wisdom is just like don't be afraid to fully be yourself doesn't have to look 493 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,120 like what the next person did even if what they did was successful yeah yeah just keep 494 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,680 like being curious about creating sometimes people are recognizing too like they're afraid 495 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:25,520 of perfection like if something seems like too good to be true it almost is like a hindrance 496 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:33,280 they're like wait can I reach out to this person yeah yeah exactly yeah it's like oh 497 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:42,600 that's too it's above my I'm not looking for all of that yeah yeah yeah all right um 498 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:50,200 okay I'm gonna have you pick a card I made Marlene do this too okay and then these are 499 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,840 kind of fun too like I think with design sometimes I try to be more playful so it's like you 500 00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:01,480 know sometimes you don't always have the answers but here one two or three I'm gonna do the 501 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:09,720 one on your left um this one oh maybe the one this one okay oh this one's cool it's 502 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:17,120 black jaguar claim your spiritual power oh yeah I love these cards too that the illustrator 503 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:25,960 is like really yeah okay and then we're gonna do some rapid fire so you ready um painting 504 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:37,400 or designing painting nyc or la la fall or winter well coffee or tea coffee planned or 505 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:47,000 spontaneous spontaneous lake or ocean ocean magazines or posters magazines okay great 506 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:54,480 that's all I have yeah yeah no they are it's kind of like a nice way of rounding it up 507 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:00,840 it had so much fun talking with you and I'm curious you know maybe like like I overthink 508 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,640 a lot in my design work and but I like to ask you about their dreams like what's your 509 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,280 dream for the future doesn't have to be work related but like just what you imagine yourself 510 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:18,160 doing yeah I so I think I don't have the perfect uh work answer to that um because I'm still 511 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:24,760 figuring that out but otherwise I mean I do love traveling that's like obviously everyone's 512 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,240 gonna say that more traveling but yeah I think it's I just want to keep enjoying life and 513 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:34,400 like I do want to have the freedom and flexibility to go to places I want to go it doesn't have 514 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,760 to be you know huge extravagant trips it's I literally have a chalkboard right there 515 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,400 that's like Tahoe Big Bear you know certain little things explore more of California um 516 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,760 so I want to keep like being free living life being creative having fun uh continuing to 517 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,760 surround myself with positive loving people pretty much all the things I'm currently doing 518 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,600 I've been having a lot of moments of gratitude lately just feeling like oh I have I really 519 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,720 have a good life and I want to be able to just see that and appreciate it and keep doing 520 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:11,560 that so that's my answer yeah totally you have a great life you're living in LA you're 521 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:17,840 making your art you have a design job and you have peach she's amazing who's been so 522 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:25,360 quiet she's been good yeah sweet well I love it um okay thank you so much Paley for joining 523 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,760 us on the pool party all right friends so that was our interview with Paley on this 524 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:38,640 episode of the pool party go check out Paley's work her links are in the description and 525 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:45,040 I just wanted to remind you that I am selling key arts this month throughout the rest of 526 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:52,200 the year if you are a DJ writer podcaster who's looking to bring your brand to life 527 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,520 please feel free to reach out to me you can go to my website juliaespiro.me furthermore 528 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,840 if you're an artist and designer and you would love to be featured on the podcast hit me 529 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,080 up tell me about yourself or tell me about your friend if you think they should be interviewed 530 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:13,560 this podcast is all about sharing creative ideas supporting other creatives and that 531 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,360 is what I seek to bring out through the pool party so hope you have a great week and I'll 532 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:38,120 see you next time.