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You're listening to the Footglish podcast. Love football, learn English.

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Everton 2, Liverpool FC 2. Was that a fair result?

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What exactly led to the argy-bargy at the end of the Man City derby?

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Why did Liverpool manager Arnaz Slot get sent off by Michael Oliver?

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And what does the phrase to call it a night mean?

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Footglish podcast.

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My name is Denik Lucas, I'm an English teacher and the Footglish podcast is the best English learning podcast about football since sliced bread.

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I'm sure you know it already. And today I've got two exclusive guests for you, two cousins, two fans from Liverpool.

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But they do not support the same club.

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Hello lads, welcome to the Footglish podcast. How are you doing?

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Hello, very well, thank you. After this week.

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Stephen's probably still buzzing. I'm not too bad after this week. It wasn't the worst thing for me.

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Alright, so the person who's just finished speaking, that's Paul, you probably know him very well. He's been on this podcast before.

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Sti, I think he hasn't been on this podcast yet. Sti, you are an Everton fan, right?

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I am, yes, very big Everton fan. Best part for 30 odd years now.

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I've been going to Goodison since I was 10, 41 now, 42 next week. So yeah, 30 years Evertonian.

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Nice one. And Paul, as we know, you are a Liverpool FC fan.

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Yeah, I don't go to the match like Stephen though. I did have a season ticket a few years ago.

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But they moved me to a different path to the ground and I gave it back.

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I see. So you're fans of two rival clubs, but you're cousins. So that makes it very juicy, very interesting, I think.

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And we are going to talk obviously about the Merseyside Derby, which we have just had.

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And it ended in a 2-2 draw. I thought it was a very dramatic game. So what did you make of it then?

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Let's start with Paul.

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Oh, I thought it was a tight match. Liverpool didn't play so well, I thought.

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And I think for like the first hour. And yeah, Everton had the better of it.

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But Liverpool went 1-0 up. No, they never, sorry. Everton went 1-0 up, didn't they? Sorry.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. They scored a free-kick routine or something, right?

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That's all.

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How did you see that, Steve? Did you like what you did there?

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Yeah, it's surprising really because we've been struggling for goals this season,

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particularly under our previous manager, Sean Dyche. That was a big problem we had.

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And since we've changed the manager, we've created a lot more chances than to see a goal that looks like a routine,

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as opposed to just open play. It was different.

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We've actually just got Charlie Adam, ex-Liverpool player, as our set-piece coach.

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So potentially Charlie Adam is the brains behind that first goal for us on Wednesday night.

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It was a piece of brilliance, I thought, honestly. It was such a surprising move.

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Yeah, yeah. Beto who scored there, he didn't have much chances under Sean Dyche previously.

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And given Calvert-Lewin's injured at the moment, we haven't got any other options.

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He's taking his chances. He's quite a... I don't want to say clumsy,

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but he's not the most pleasing on the eye of a footballer.

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But he seems to be popping up with goals.

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So, like, Wednesday night, the movement for the free kick, he's pulling back to keep himself onside

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to then make the chance and get in front of Liverpool. His defence is very good.

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And he broke the line and slotted it quite nicely. So he's doing well. He's doing well at the moment.

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He played well the other night, I thought. It was a handful for both of them, Canete and Van Dyke.

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Yeah, I think what he lacks in a bit of skill, he makes up for in effort and physicality.

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And against, you know, Liverpool's two centre-backs who are generally very commanding,

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and particularly Van Dyke, it's difficult to ruffle Van Dyke up.

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And he put himself about Beto and got a few chances, you know, if she scored one.

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He had a couple more chances he could have scored.

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There's a header in the second half, which he's just put wide at a post.

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And he played well. Best game he's played, forever, in Beto. Played well.

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I was going to ask that, yeah. Because I've never seen that before from him, really.

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Yeah, his strengths are his strengths. You know, he's never going to be...

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You know, he's not on a level of a Mo Salah, technically.

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He's never going to be creating goals like the way someone like a Mo Salah does.

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But I think that goal he scored on Wednesday was a little bit different from what we've seen from him.

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Like, quite intelligent play to come back onside, pre-kick gets played and then to run through and play quite calmly.

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That's the biggest difference in Beto now than Beto four months ago.

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So that was obviously a great start to the game for Everton and kind of a sucker punch, right, to start a game like that, Paul.

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But you did respond to it pretty early as well, I thought.

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Yeah, not long after. McAllister, we won a free kick. McAllister did a really good ball into the box and then it got cleared.

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And I think just McAllister did amazing for that goal. I like...

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You know I like McAllister.

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I know you do.

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But like it was almost a counter attack for Everton, but he managed to intercept the ball and keep the ball, play it intelligently.

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And then he ended up in the box. And just the way he managed to leap for the header and reach for the header.

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Very, very smart, yeah.

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Yeah, it was...

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It was a Salah cross as well, right?

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It was a Salah cross. It was a difficult header really for a man of his size.

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And yeah, he managed to strain his neck and get it in the corner.

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I thought it was a piece of improvisation, you could say as well, a little bit, because it wasn't the easiest header, but he did well there.

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And it was an important goal because if Everton had kept it 1-0 to half time, the next goal is always important when it's 1-0.

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Absolutely, absolutely. And then you scored another one, right, in second half, was it?

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Yeah, a little bit against the run of play, I thought, Everton started the second half well.

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I think that Beto had a chance, Takore had a chance. It was a tight match. It wasn't a match of many chances.

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And I can't remember Liverpool having many chances really.

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But then until that goal, yeah, until the goal, Jones comes on.

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And I think Jones's shot might have been going in, actually, but Brandtweight managed to block it and it fell for Jonny on the spot, Mo Salah.

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Of course. Who else? Who else? So at that point, Stee, it looked like it was going only one way.

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Liverpool obviously now at the top of the league and they needed three points.

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But you didn't give up. You didn't give up on you.

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Yeah, that's it. I think the majority in the ground thought that was it done when Liverpool scored 15 minutes to go.

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Having witnessed that quite a few times both at Goodison and at Anfield and just expecting the game to end up 2-1 or 3-1, to be honest.

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It looked like it was going to though, Steve. And I think that was Liverpool's best spell.

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I think because Everton maybe threw caution to the wind and pushed a few players forward.

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Yeah, and I think that was different, to be honest, Paul, than what would have happened previously, like under against Sean Dyche.

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I couldn't see us getting back into it. The fact that it's Tarkowski scoring the winner, our centre-back, it's not from a corner.

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He's drifted up in open play and scored a really good goal.

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O'Brien was there, wasn't he? I think Michael Keane sent on as a centre-forward as well.

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I think he was brought on, yeah, the Forgottable team, to be honest.

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I think he was up there, yeah.

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Chaps, I'm getting shouted. Do you want a guest on or do you want me to go and see?

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I'll bring it down, she'll get it quite quiet if you want me to say hello.

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So Stee is referring to his daughter who is being a bit naughty today. Yeah, go ahead, Stee.

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I'll bring it down to say hello and if she's being good, she can say hello.

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She can be on the podcast, absolutely.

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She's an MN fan as well, don't worry.

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She's a very cute kid.

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That's great, yeah, that's great. She will have a memory.

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When she grows up, she will be able to find this in an archive of the next podcast.

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Subscribe if there's anything. Yes, 15 years later.

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So yes, that was obviously in the 97th minute or something like that, so definitely at its time.

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I saw Slot's reaction at that point and he was absolutely raging.

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He was, yeah, with the goal for a couple of reasons, I think, wasn't it?

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I think he spoke about, hello, Cora.

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Wait, want to say hello? Hello.

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Want to say hello?

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I think I will have to call it a night, sorry, gentlemen.

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That's all right.

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Thank you for showing up today, Stee, and hope to speak to you again.

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Definitely, yeah. Take care, good to see you both.

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Good to see you. Bye.

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All right, so Paul, where were we?

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Slot was raging at the end.

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And I think for two reasons, wasn't it?

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He mentioned in his press conference today it was because of the added time.

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But I watched it back and I don't think it was unfortunate.

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There was a clash of heads in like the 93rd minute or something.

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And it took almost two minutes for play to restart.

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And when Everton scored, he was very close to blowing.

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Not like it wasn't in his mouth, but that was the last attack.

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I don't think he could have blown before then.

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Bouncing round and then the ball ends up in the box.

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I think the coach was more annoyed with the shove.

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I think it was a blatant shove.

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I think it was a push.

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The referee is looking straight at it.

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He's there and it's like a two-handed push.

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But yeah, I think.

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Do you think Sti, obviously we don't have Sti here now to defend himself and his team.

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But I think he wouldn't say that, would he?

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Yeah, he wouldn't. He wouldn't have said that.

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He wouldn't say it was a shove.

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I think he would say it was a fair and square goal.

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He might have said, but what about this?

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Let's call a spade a spade.

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I mean, it was a good goal for Everton in Goodison Park.

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And I mean, is it a blow to Liverpool's title challenge or just a small blip, you think?

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Nine points would have been the difference between Liverpool and Arsenal.

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It would have been nice.

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It's still seven though.

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No, a point away at Goodison.

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Like we've dropped a few points recently, like a point at home against Manchester United, a point away to Newcastle.

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When in matches that like we could have won.

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It's not like we should have won against Newcastle.

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I think Newcastle played really well, but it was a last minute goal, last minute mistake by the goalkeeper against Manchester United.

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Like we were winning 2-1 with a few minutes to go, but also we could have lost that match against Everton.

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I don't think we played so well.

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Are you getting nervous or not at all?

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No, I don't.

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I'm always nervous as a Liverpool fan, really.

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I'm always nervous.

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But seven points in mid-February is nice.

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I'm not saying it's like, yeah, I'd rather be seven points ahead than seven points behind, of course.

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That makes sense.

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So it's still OK.

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A few more things I need to ask you about.

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So the first thing is some people are criticising Everton's celebrations.

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They thought they were overreacting, as in it was just a draw.

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And they were celebrating as if they had won the Premier League.

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So what do you think of that?

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I think if it wasn't the last match at Goodison Park, it wouldn't have been celebrated so much.

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The last one.

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It's not the last match, is it?

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But there's only six more matches at Goodison Park.

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So when you say that, we need to explain to our listeners that basically Everton, they are building a new stadium.

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And it's about to get finished and this is their last season in Goodison Park, right?

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And then they are moving to a new brand new stadium.

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And it's such an iconic stadium.

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I used to go there regularly when I was younger.

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I would go to Liverpool one week, Everton the other week.

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How does Steve feel about it?

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Oh, I think him and his dad and his brothers and family will be upset, to be honest.

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As he said, he's been going for 30 years, every match.

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They plan their holidays, him and his dad and his brother, they plan their life around going to Everton.

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And it's such a big part of their lives.

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They've got a big group of friends who they go to match with, family and friends.

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And no, it's a massive part of their lives, I think.

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And they've had they bought like memorabilia from the stadium and things like when they went to Goodison Park.

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When they leave Goodison Park, it will be emotional for a lot of Everton fans.

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They've been going for many years.

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Like it's it's yeah, it's a very like where they say they tease Liverpool because Liverpool is an international football club with well, and Everton, I suppose, but has a lot of international fans.

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Yeah, who like that are many tourists, as they say, inside Liverpool Stadium every week in Everton.

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As you saw, maybe if you watch the match, it's local people, really.

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It's local people. It's a different crowd.

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And they feel very proud.

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They feel very proud of this, basically of this fact when they compare.

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Yeah, when they compare with London.

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Yeah, yeah. So so it was I understand the celebrations at the end.

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I really do. For them to lose that match to Liverpool would have been would have been really hurtful for them.

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They wouldn't have liked it at all.

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So everybody would remind them the last game you played, the last derby you played in that old stadium, you lost that game.

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Remember? But now they don't have to say that.

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And it was like there was a I think it was 41 wins each in that stadium.

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Oh, really?

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And yeah, Everton had won 41 times. Liverpool had won 41 times.

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That's even.

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Yeah, 37 draws.

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And now it's 38 draws.

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That is very cool, actually.

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And then, of course, we have to also delve into what happened at the very end, because what happened there, Paul?

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There were some red cards being brandished by Michael Oliver, the good old Arsenal nemesis.

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What's the problem with Oliver? What's he done to Arsenal?

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Everything.

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Is he a referee in Manchester City?

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I think he showed I think already two red cards this season to Arsenal.

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One was the one to scary and he gave the one to rice for slightly kicking.

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I don't think that was rice.

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I mean, I don't think that was Oliver.

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No, no, I don't think so.

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It might have been, but I don't think it was.

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It's not in my head that it was him.

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Maybe you're right.

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I think it was Chris.

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Anyway, we don't like it.

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Like exactly.

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What happened there then?

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I just think, like people there was five or six years ago, he was touted as being the best English referee.

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And I think for a time he was for a season or two, he was the best English referee.

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But I don't think he has been for a long time.

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He's been several times with Liverpool as well, like the Doku penalty.

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Also in that match yesterday, I don't want to go on about him.

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But there was a blatant free kick on Salah in injury time.

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Salah's dancing through.

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I don't know if you saw it.

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I didn't see it.

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I'm sorry.

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I only saw the highlights, so I can't talk about this.

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But I believe you, of course.

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It was the most blatant foul in the match.

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He's the new Mike Dean, Michael Oliver.

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So basically, I think it was the fact that the guy that scored the goal, right?

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For Everton, was it him or was he one of the other Everton players?

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He went to celebrate the goal and the draw in front of the away fans, right?

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That's what happened.

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And then Curtis Jones, the Liverpool player, he didn't like that at all, right?

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No, so Dukore.

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It was Dukore who ran maybe 10, 15 metres maybe across the pitch and passed Jones towards the Liverpool fans.

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And he wasn't.

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He just got like bouncing and he would have gone off.

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But as he's doing that, Jones runs after him and grabs him.

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And then everyone runs over.

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Then there's two Everton players, then there's all Liverpool players, and then there's all the stewards.

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What do you call it? Like a bar?

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It was a bit of a bargy bargy.

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But mostly handbags, as they say.

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Handbags.

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It wasn't like no punches were thrown.

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Yeah, but again, Michael Oliver sent those two.

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I think they were both on yellows anyway, actually.

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I think they were both on yellows.

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I think it's fair because it's a provocation that celebration is a provocation.

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And then what Carthus Jones also deserves a yellow or at least maybe a red, to be fair.

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So then also, there was one more funny moment when the referee, at the end of the game, the ref always shakes hands with both coaches.

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And that's what happened.

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And when Slob shook hands with...

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He shook hands and in his press conference today, he said he didn't reveal what was said.

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He said that it's an ongoing process.

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I'm not going to say anything.

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So he shook hands.

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Hang on.

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So at the end of the game, when he went to shake hands with Michael Oliver, he said something to him.

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So it was some sort of sarcastic handshake or something.

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Yeah, and he shook his hand a little bit aggressively, I thought, as well.

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And then the reaction was that one second later, Michael Oliver gives him a red card.

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And then he gave the Liverpool coach a red card as well.

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Yeah, like the assistant coach.

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Three red cards for Liverpool.

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So Liverpool might get some kind of extra.

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Who's going to be in charge then?

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There's no coaches now left.

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Yeah, so nobody gave... if you get a red card as a manager, you cannot do the press after the match.

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Right, right, right.

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And it's usually the coach.

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But he got a red card as well.

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So there was no comment from any Liverpool staff, only one player.

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I think you need to call Jurgen Klopp.

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Come back.

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Come back for one game.

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We have a coach sent off.

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It was a good game.

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As an Arsenal fan, did you watch it?

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I did not watch it, no.

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I just saw the highlights and I thoroughly enjoyed, obviously, the equaliser.

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I have to say, as an Arsenal fan, this gives us hope.

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This gives us a chance.

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And also, I knew because we were planning to record this with you and your cousin Stie.

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So I knew this would make for a good content as well.

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But it looks like Stie's daughter had a different plan.

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Yeah, I think Stie would have been disappointed with Oliver as well.

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I think Everton fans think there could have been a penalty.

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They could have been sending off.

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I think it could have been a penalty.

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I don't know if you saw it.

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It bounced up and hit Konate's arm.

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But they were speaking on commentary as if all the rules have changed about that now.

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His hand was in a natural position.

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But it did hit his arm.

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The one of the sending off with Bradley, he got booked in the first half.

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Nothing much.

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He didn't tackle him, but he just went into the tackle a bit strongly.

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And then the second half, and Takori fell when he was running away.

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But I don't think it was a sending off, really.

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I think they are clutching at straws with that.

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I don't know.

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Like I said, I didn't see it.

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But it only goes to show that there are always different interpretations of the same.

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I've seen where we have got this WhatsApp group and we sometimes discuss the games there.

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And it seems like there are fans of different football teams and we never agree on anything there.

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Yeah, football fans never agree.

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I still think the Lewis Skelly red card was quite a bad tackle.

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I know it wasn't the worst tackle, but there was not a tackle like that in the Merseyside derby.

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There was no tackles like studs on ankles, nothing like that.

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But I know the world disagrees with me.

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Yeah, it's all relative and there's context to it all.

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And you are biased, just like I am.

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But definitely, Paul, it's been wonderful to have you back on the Footgrish podcast and your cousin.

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Say hi to him and his daughter.

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Thank you, Zene.

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The future Everton fan.

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Oh, definitely.

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Imagine she became a Liverpool fan.

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There's no way.

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Has she been to the old stadium?

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She has, I think.

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I think she has.

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And I bet if she hasn't, I bet she will.

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They will have to record something.

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They will have to record a video of her and then show it to her.

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Because when she starts going to the new stadium, she will have a wonderful memory.

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But because she's this young, she might not remember it.

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I know. I think she has.

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I know his brothers kids have who are quite young.

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They are older than her.

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But I'm like, yeah, that's a good point.

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I don't know if she has actually.

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OK, nice one, Paul.

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Nice one. Thank you.

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Take care, man.

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Take care. Bye bye.

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Bye.

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Welcome back to the language corner.

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As always, in this part of the show, I'm going to go through some language because I'm an English teacher.

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So I have to do my job.

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Now, remember how Steve wanted to put his naughty daughter to sleep, but he couldn't?

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Well, in fact, he brought her downstairs where he was recording the podcast.

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And he also made her say hi or asked her to say hi to the listeners.

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But then she started crying and it didn't exactly work.

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So he decided to just stop recording with us.

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You know, remember how he left?

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He said, I think I will have to call it a night, gentlemen.

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I think I'll have to call it a night.

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So there's a nice English language idiom when you call it a night.

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Actually, we can also say to call it a day.

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It means you're going to stop doing whatever you're doing and leave and say goodbye to someone, let's say.

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Right. Let's call it a day.

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You could say that at the end of your work shift.

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Let's call it a day for today.

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Right. You're working, working and you have had enough.

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You've worked enough on that day.

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So you say, OK, let's call it a day.

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And when you say, let's call it a night, it basically means, yeah, that's it.

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That's the night for me.

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I'm going to go to bed now.

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Right. So that was some idiom for you.

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I hope you guys found it useful.

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I hope you like it.

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And perhaps you start using it yourself because that's how you have to deal with this at the end of the day,

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because it doesn't work in the way that you only listen.

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You have to use the language as well.

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You have to use it actively.

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Right. That is the best way to actually become one with the language.

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It's the only way to get the grips with it.

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OK, guys, that's it from me for today.

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Don't forget that you can support the Footgris podcast in different ways.

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For example, you can give a like to the video of this podcast if you watched it on the YouTube channel.

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Thank you very much.

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And I'll speak to you soon.

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Take care. Bye bye.