1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 You're listening to the Footglitch Podcast. Love football, learn English. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:14,000 How do the English fans feel after reaching the second European Championship final in a row? 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Was the referee right to award the penalty against the Dutch? 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Did Gareth Southgate earn the right to remain the coach of England? 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:30,000 And what other ways are there of saying that you support a football team? 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Hi everyone, I'm Zdenek Lukas and you're listening to the Footglitch Podcast, the best English learning podcast about football. 7 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:01,000 And what's on the agenda today? Well, following England's win over Holland last night, it's pretty clear. 8 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Let me welcome for the second time Martin from the Rock and Roll English Podcast. Welcome back Martin. Did you sleep last night? 9 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:19,000 I absolutely did not. I was just so, so excited. There should be a rule that you get the next day off work or something like that. 10 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:28,000 It's just impossible to sleep because when I finally got in, I was checking all of us. I was watching the goal from every angle. 11 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:35,000 And you want to hear what everything's got to say. I want to watch all of the interviews. It was just unbelievable. 12 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:45,000 I know what you mean about watching all the angles. Remember the goal Patrick Schick scored against Scotland from the halfway line? 13 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Oh yeah, that was in the last tournament, wasn't it? 14 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:56,000 You can imagine I was also watching that goal from all angles. I was looking for all different YouTube videos. 15 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:03,000 And the first YouTube videos that come out are usually those fake ones, right? It's someone playing FIFA usually or something like that. 16 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,000 You know what I mean? You kind of have to wait longer for that as well. 17 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:18,000 So England made it to the final for the second time in a row, two back to back final appearances for England. That's impressive, isn't it? 18 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:26,000 It's very impressive. So in fact, I went to the pub yesterday to watch with some friends and we were talking, we were saying like, this is a semi-final. 19 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:34,000 I wouldn't say totally blasé, like we don't care, but it is almost starting to feel normal. 20 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:43,000 And we were saying it's weird. This is weird because this was not normal before Gareth Southgate era. 21 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:50,000 So I mentioned with my friends, so we went to school together, it's all the same age, we were all 39. 22 00:02:50,000 --> 00:03:00,000 And in our lifetime, until Gareth Southgate, which was 2018, we'd been in two semi-finals, but one we were too young in 1990. 23 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:07,000 So we'd only seen England in one semi-final before and we were like 34 at that point. 24 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Now it's like three of the last four tournaments we've been in the semi-final. 25 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:20,000 And the other one was a quarterfinal against France. It's just unreal. 26 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:27,000 It's mental. And you know how you English always have the tendency to play everything down? You know how you guys do that? 27 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,000 There's so much criticism of Southgate and I don't think you can do this anymore. 28 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 You have to embrace it now. 29 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:45,000 So when we were in the pub yesterday, there was so many people being negative, like you started shouting, do this, do bloody Southgate. 30 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:51,000 And I was just thinking, he has changed everything. This was not normal. 31 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:57,000 And it's not like, okay, we have got good players now, but we've had really good players in the past and done nothing. 32 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:06,000 In 2008, we had like still like the golden generation. There was still John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney. 33 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:13,000 We didn't even qualify for the tournament, let alone get to like a quarter semi-final. 34 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,000 We didn't even qualify. The whole tournament was on. I remember watching it thinking this is absolutely rubbish. England aren't even here. 35 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:28,000 You were always knocked out on penalties as well. You had that narrative of you always losing on penalties. It was a burden. 36 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 And Southgate changed that. That's gone. 37 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:39,000 I know. The penalties against Switzerland, you're actually confident of thinking. 38 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 I read all these things that Southgate does. Again, this is my extra reading after the match. 39 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 So when someone takes a penalty, someone goes to meet the penalty taker, for example. 40 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,000 So it doesn't feel so alone. And they do all of these small things. 41 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:01,000 So I've been listening all morning to, I don't know if you know, the Atomic Kitten song about Southgate. 42 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Is it Spice Girls? No, Atomic Kitten is the band. 43 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,000 They sang the song. I've been listening to that on repeat all morning. 44 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,000 And I'll tell you the best thing. So I had a few beers yesterday. 45 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I wasn't really drunk or anything. But walking home, a little bit tipsy, I would say, but obviously really happy. 46 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:31,000 And people were singing in the streets. I walked past another pub and everybody played that song of like, 47 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Southgate, you're the one, you still turn me on, football's going home. And everyone was just so happy in the streets. 48 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:47,000 I was singing in the street. It was such a great feeling. 49 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:59,000 I understand this feeling because you probably don't know much about ice hockey, but in the Czech Republic, it's one of the two national sports. 50 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:13,000 We are a relatively small country and this sport is extremely popular in Canada, the USA, now in Germany, Sweden, Norway, Finland and the Soviet Union. 51 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,000 It always was popular in the Soviet Union. You can imagine if the Czech Republic win something. Oh my God. 52 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:27,000 So we won the World Ice Hockey Championship. It was hosted in the Czech Republic. We won it this year. 53 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 So I know exactly how you must have felt yesterday. You haven't won yet, but the final. 54 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 But so what you just mentioned, so you said it was in the Czech Republic, this ice hockey. 55 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Now, this is the first time ever in the history of football that England have got to a final of a major tournament, not in England, 56 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:52,000 because in 66 and in the last Euros, they were both the finals were both in England, the tournament. 57 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:58,000 So this already is historic. So just just being there now. 58 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Yeah, if I think logically, I don't really see how we can beat Spain, but that's the beauty of football that this the hope the dream is still alive. 59 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Like, like, because anything could happen in 90 minutes. So it's not it's not impossible that we'll win that we that we can win. 60 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:27,000 It's not impossible. So it just just having that hope for me now, if if we lose, which there's a high possibility we will. 61 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:33,000 I still I still there's no way you can say this has not been a successful. You will be started. You will be proud of your team. 62 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Of course, it started terribly. And I remember the same friends I saw last night. 63 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:46,000 The last time we met was the last group game, which was Slovenia. So right. Yeah. And and then the match finished. 64 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:55,000 It was Neil Neil. And I remember we were talking and we said, there's just been nothing to get excited about because we'd be we'd beaten Serbia one, 65 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Neil, a boring one, one draw with Denmark and then a Neil Neil with Slovenia. And we all just said, there's just been nothing like that. 66 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,000 You just want to be excited. But then after that, the Slovakia game was terrible for 94 and a half minutes. 67 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:16,000 But then that Bellingham moment, I don't think I've ever had ever been so happy because I was at such a low. 68 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,000 I was thinking, how can we how can we lose this fight with the players we've got? 69 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:28,000 And I was just thinking, this is like Iceland again. I think I was so down. And then just in one second, overhead kick in the 94th minute. 70 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 I know. My God. It was a turnaround. Yeah. Yeah. Then there was that. 71 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Then the penalties and now an 89th minute winning goal. Like it's just been pure excitement. No, no. 72 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:45,000 I understand the group. I will be honest with you, Martin. Yeah. Before the tournament, you were one of my teams. 73 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:52,000 I wanted to support you throughout the tournament. I stopped supporting you completely. 74 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:01,000 And in this game, I'm this game. I was saying it outright that I was cheering for Holland because you had let me down so many times. 75 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,000 I'm sorry. But I have to say in this game, actually, you seem to play it quite well. 76 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Yeah, I agree. On the whole, you deserve to get to the final. And you wanted to play football. 77 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,000 You pressed high. I agree. You seem to be very positive in the game from the beginning. 78 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Although we have to say Shabi Simons scored that first goal in the seventh minute. 79 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:36,000 The Dutch took the lead early. But I think it helped England in some way because generally the way we've played is let's not start playing until they score. 80 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Yeah, exactly. Luckily, they scored early and we wake up quickly. 81 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Whenever the other team scores, you start playing better. That seems to have been the equation in this tournament. 82 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:56,000 So that woke you up, as you said. You also seem to be strong mentally, your team, and you seem to be able to turn games around. 83 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:05,000 And that's what big teams do. You deal with the pressure, a lot of pressure, fan expectations, AI making fun of your manager. 84 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Have you seen all these videos of Southgate speaking as an AI? Yeah, so much fun. 85 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,000 So yeah, yesterday, I agree. First half especially, I thought we were excellent. 86 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Foden had that when he hit the bar or the post, it was really from a distance. 87 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:35,000 And he also had that one cleared off the line. And we had a couple of other shots and it was just like, right, this is like we're going for it. 88 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Second half, I think they had the better of the second half. That's true. 89 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:46,000 And fair play to Southgate because he had to take off Harry Kane. 90 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,000 I mean, to me, my opinion should have done earlier, but who can argue with him? 91 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:57,000 But I didn't think he would have the balls to do it because Harry Kane, you know, main man, and he took him off. 92 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,000 I think he learned from Martinez. I think Martinez didn't do it with Ronaldo. 93 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:14,000 So, right. This is what makes the difference. You get a fresh player, fresh legs, fresh pair of legs, and they get the winner for you. 94 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:22,000 But Martin, before we get to that, unfortunately, I would also like to discuss the penalty incident because the Dutch, the Dutch are not very happy about this one. 95 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Yeah, I know. To be honest, I don't think I would be particularly happy. 96 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:43,000 But the other side of that is, so when that incident happened, as soon as it happened, I said to my friends, I said, if that happens anywhere else in the pitch, I'll give you a classic example. 97 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:53,000 So I mean, let's say I'm in the right back position. Okay, so I'm Kyle Walker. I get the ball from my center back and I knock the ball down the line. 98 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:01,000 And as my leg goes out and attacking player runs and blocks my leg, 100% the referee will give a free kick for that. 99 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Yeah, 100%. And I said to my friends, when that happened, I said that and I said, but there's no way this will be given because there just seems to be this unwritten rule 100 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:19,000 that if you do that with a shot, they don't give a penalty. I was surprised because the referee gave, did not give it. 101 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Yeah, I know. That's what surprised me about it because, you know, the clear and obvious error thing. 102 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 I actually didn't believe that they turned it around. 103 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Although when I was watching it, I will have to be honest with you. I thought it was a soft penalty. 104 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:48,000 I was actually leaning towards penalty. But then when I after after the game and I saw all the comments and I watched the replays again and again, and then I wasn't sure anymore after that, to be fair. 105 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:56,000 But the point is he kicked him. It was a late kind of challenge, right? The Dumfries kicked Harry Kane. 106 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:08,000 It was after he shot after he took a shot a bit iffy. But my biggest issue is the overall inconsistency of penalty decisions and the refereeing performances. 107 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:15,000 We have been on the receiving end as well. The Czech Republic. Yeah, I don't know if you saw the game against Turkey, but oh my God, the stuff that happened then. 108 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:21,000 The Germans with the Kukurela incident. It's just too much, you know, for me. 109 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Actually, in the last semi final in the Euros, England played Denmark and got a penalty with Raheem Sterling. 110 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And I said immediately after that come I even did a podcast. I said that was absolutely never a penalty. 111 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,000 And to be honest in that match, because that was also the winning goal in extra time, I think it was. 112 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:50,000 I always felt bad. Like I thought I thought I don't enjoy winning like that because that was that he dived. It almost made me feel a bit sick. I just did not like that at all. 113 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,000 I'm not in the same place with this one because I think I can see why that was given. 114 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:01,000 I also read this morning from like some VAR expert because, you know, I'm reading all of these stupid things. 115 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:09,000 It was the way his foot was sort of like studs up. Like that was apparently he was described as reckless. 116 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,000 So it was the studs up thing of I can't get my foot up. 117 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:22,000 But so say this is the palm of my hand. What is the base of my foot? Soul. 118 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:29,000 So this is it because if I can like studs up like that toward so that was described as reckless. 119 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:43,000 And to be fair, I can see that. So I'm not I don't feel bad this time because I think that by the law, by the letter of the law, I think the letter of the law. 120 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:49,000 It seemed like a penalty. But like I said, I can understand the Dutch why they don't like it. 121 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Yeah, because there are a lot of things to consider. And one of them is even this referee's past. 122 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Did you know, Martin? Yeah, I heard. Yeah. Did you know that this is a stupid decision to put him in? 123 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:13,000 This wire has previously been banned from football for accepting 300 euro bribe to match fix in 2005. So he was involved in match fixing. 124 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:20,000 And how can a referee like that? No, I agree. He was in charge of a semifinal of European competition. 125 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:33,000 It's the equivalent of letting a former criminal, someone who has committed a murder, lead a team of detective investigators or something like insane. 126 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Again, I was talking to my friends about this. I mean, it's the more crazy thing is how is this career progress? 127 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Surely that's the end of your career. If you're a referee and you get done for match fixing, that's surely the worst thing that can happen. 128 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,000 That's the end of your career. I don't see. So I imagine especially for 300 euros. I mean, that's not a lot of money. 129 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:03,000 So I imagine his career was like sort of at the starting point there, but I don't understand how it's managed to like go up. 130 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:09,000 I thought that would just be the end of your career. And rightly so. Yeah, I agree. Absolutely. 131 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:15,000 It's different for footballers, I think, right? Because basically they're not upholding the law. 132 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,000 These guys are upholding the rules and the law and they have to set the example. 133 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Footballers are just sometimes, you know, they just like it's quite difficult for a footballer to be done for like for match fixing. 134 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:36,000 So I can't say I'm going to score 10 goals in a game. That's quite difficult for me to do. 135 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:45,000 You say that, but I'm not so sure because we have seen some examples of Ivan Thony. 136 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000 I know it was different because he did not have an impact, a direct impact. 137 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:56,000 But now we have a piqueta situation of piqueta from West Ham United. 138 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Tell me about the situation. I don't know. 139 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:08,000 Well, apparently there were several bets made in Brazil on a few Premier League matches and it was on yellow cards. 140 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,000 So you can bet on everything, can't you? Yeah, exactly. 141 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,000 You can bet on literally everything on the number of corners you have. 142 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:26,000 And I remember Matt Letizia said he he took some money and he had to kick the ball out for throwing immediately. 143 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:33,000 And then he tried to do it and he under hit the pass and it didn't go out and he was like absolutely cracking himself. 144 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 But I mean, yeah. 145 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,000 So there was that penalty, which they can be angry about. 146 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:52,000 But like I said, in my opinion, the letter of the law, it was it was a penalty because like I said, if that happens in that in the situation I described earlier, that is a free kick 100 percent. 147 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,000 And it also happened very early in the game. 148 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,000 They still had lots of time. So that that makes me feel not like I said, Denmark game. 149 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000 It was an extra time and there was absolutely no way it was a penalty. 150 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:14,000 In my opinion, he dived and I felt generally bad for Danish people and I did not enjoy being in the final in that way. 151 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 I absolutely do not have that fair enough. 152 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Fair enough, Martin. Fair enough. It's does it doesn't compare to that Kukurela incident in my book. 153 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,000 That was a clear penalty to me. I don't know in what in what world this is not given. 154 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And then some other stuff in other games. 155 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:37,000 And I'm sorry, I have to go back to the Czech game against Turkey, like the decisions that were made in that game. 156 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:46,000 And you know how I know the referee was guilty because after he impacted the game by sending off our player and not sending off some Turkish players, 157 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,000 he kept giving them yellow cards like they were literally they had like 10 yellow cards. 158 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,000 So the whole team had a yellow card from the Turkey team because he felt guilty. 159 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:10,000 And in the end, it was that that sort of contributed to the fact that the Turks the Turks had it really hard in the in the late later stage because they were playing really well. 160 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 They were one of the most exciting teams of the tournament. 161 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:18,000 But they they were it was really hard for them without players. 162 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Yeah, of course. They had to rely on some on some like third tier players or something. 163 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Yeah, we've been quite lucky with that really. 164 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:31,000 And what I'm hoping is we're just kind of finding form at the right time. 165 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I think I think last time I was on, I said the team that generally is the best and starts the best doesn't always win. 166 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:45,000 In fact, very often doesn't. So because I don't think anyone can argue with the fact Spain have been the team of the tournament. 167 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,000 But that that means nothing now almost as 90 minutes in front of us. 168 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 It means maybe more that that goes out the window. 169 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:01,000 And I just hope that we're now finding form at the right time. 170 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:11,000 I think as well with our so we have rice, mainu and then we have like Bellingham and Foden now in that four almost like a block of four. 171 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,000 I think that will help us because obviously Spain keep the ball really well in the midfield. 172 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:22,000 I'll tell you what, though, in my opinion, Bellingham, he is lucky to still be in the team. 173 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,000 He is so his tournament. He had the first 30 minutes in that Serbia game. 174 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,000 I don't think I've ever seen an England player dominate a game so so much like he was. 175 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,000 He was absolutely I remember he was dribbling everyone. 176 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,000 It was literally men against boys. It was just like I remember that game. 177 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 But then then he faded away completely. 178 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. And then somehow showed up in that moment against Slovakia. 179 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 It was like a moment of brilliance. Yeah. 180 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000 But you could say the same about Foden like until this game. 181 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,000 He's a shit. Foden has been nowhere near his level. 182 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,000 I still agree. He hasn't been near his level because he's got such a high level. 183 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,000 But I still think he was kind of linking play quite well, not giving the ball away so much. 184 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Was Bellingham. I actually said to one of my friends yesterday, he was starting to remind me a bit of Pogba 185 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,000 because Pogba when he was playing for Manchester United, I had the feeling he thought I'm so good you can't tackle me. 186 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 But obviously that doesn't apply to anyone. 187 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,000 And sometimes he was just so slow to do things. I just got the feeling he was just like, you know, I'm so much better. 188 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,000 And he has this arrogance. Yeah. Arrogance about him. 189 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 But let's just hope he does not start taking drugs like the player you mentioned. 190 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:47,000 So yeah, exactly. I mean, I to be fair, I don't think Southgate will make any changes for the final to the match to the team that started. 191 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,000 And he shouldn't. Yeah, I agree. 192 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:59,000 So the Harry Kane one, I just think so. To be fair, I would start Harry Kane, but I would bring Watkins on earlier. 193 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:06,000 I would bring him on. I think I heard this morning when I was listening to something, he only had four touches of the ball 194 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,000 and two touches were like for the goal, like one touch, bang. 195 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:17,000 But that moment, my God, like because it was just that running in behind, which Kane just does not do. 196 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,000 He just keeps coming short and doesn't run to just like stretch in the defense. 197 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Like the last, if I'm a defender, you want people playing in front of you when people are running that way and you have to run with them and just that touch bang. 198 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Oh, my God. It was just so classic side netting finish. 199 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Yeah. Brilliant moments. 200 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Just touch finish. Oh, my God. 201 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Ninety first minutes and just just seeing his face like and so I've seen interviews with him and he was just like, that was the best moment of my life. 202 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:58,000 And it will be the joy of that. Just seeing someone's face like that of just like he was just running, just sort of like there's a really famous. 203 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Have you ever seen this like in English, the pronunciation would be Tardelli, Italian player in 82 when he scored that goal. 204 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:15,000 It kind of reminded me of that. Have a look on YouTube of this Marco Tardelli, 1982 when he scored in the World Cup final. 205 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:21,000 And he just like just the emotion on his face. It was it was like that. It was just absolutely unreal. 206 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:27,000 You have to understand that. Well, basically, he's the here is the reason you are in the final now. 207 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 In extra time, anything could have happened. 208 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:38,000 We actually scored just before that soccer school, but it was just offside. It was a walker offside. 209 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:45,000 So I mean, I thought I thought we over 90 minutes, we were the best team yesterday. 210 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:56,000 The Dutch obviously are good team that and so in the first half when we were on top again, with my friends, we were saying that you can't expect that to happen for 90 minutes. 211 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 The Dutch are going to have their moments now. In fact, we were worried. 212 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000 We thought like we we finished this first half. We were the better team and we're still drawing. 213 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,000 The Dutch are going to have their moment now in the game because it just happens. 214 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,000 But luckily, they didn't score when they had their moment. And then we we got ours right at the end. 215 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,000 They seem to be feared of you. They started off quite negatively in my opinion. 216 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:27,000 And in the end, I think you deserve you deserve to go through. So it's football coming home this time then. 217 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Like I said, like logic, if I think with my brain, you have to say no, because Spain have just been so much better. 218 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,000 And we always struggle against teams like that that really can keep the ball. 219 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000 That's not really an English thing like this kind of like tikka tikka kind of thing. 220 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000 We just and I've seen English so many times in tournaments just chasing the ball. 221 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:54,000 I remember even in 2018, there was Modric and Rakitic, I think, Croatia, and they just absolutely dominated us. 222 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,000 And like you were just like running around. So I to be honest, I can probably see that happening. 223 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,000 But I think especially in this tournament, we've been a moments team. 224 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Like we will stay in the game if we can stay in the game. We will have moments that that's that's for sure. 225 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,000 But I've seen the Spanish they leave themselves open. We will have moments that that's for sure. 226 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:23,000 So I believe if I believe Spain will have more of the ball, but we will have moments. 227 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,000 And if we make those moments count, then we have a chance. 228 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:34,000 But again, logic will tell me no. But like they're definitely they're definitely the favorites. 229 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Let's be honest based on the performances they had and the way they have been playing and the way some of their players like Nico Williams, 230 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,000 the youngster Jamal, have been like showing all Daniel Olmo. 231 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000 They have been absolutely brilliant and work as a unit, as a team. 232 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,000 And it's just by far the best football from anyone in this tournament. 233 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000 It's just one it's just one game, Martin. Anything can happen. 234 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:08,000 And you have world class players in your team. In my opinion, it's whether your manager manages to motivate your players. 235 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:15,000 I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes like I felt your players, you know, they already have achieved a lot. 236 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Maybe sometimes they don't give it 100 percent. 237 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,000 That's why, like, for example, someone like Slovakia for them, it's a bigger occasion for their players. 238 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,000 It's like it's the moment that everyone can see them. They can sell in. 239 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,000 They can be sold to better clubs. It's like their motivation is. Yeah, of course. 240 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:40,000 100 percent. Whereas some of your players might potentially think, oh, I don't want to get injured here because, you know, you know what I mean. 241 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,000 You know, so it's the final, though. So you have to you have to go for it now, Martin. 242 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:56,000 And you have, you know, the team we've got experience now, like other times, you know, so since Southgate came 2018 semifinal, no one had experience of that. 243 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Not even me as a fan. Like it was like, what the hell is going on? 244 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,000 And then we got to the final. So and then obviously quarterfinals against France. 245 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:14,000 So the team generally the core of the team, like players like Kane, Trippier, Rice, Stones, Pickford. 246 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:22,000 They've they've all been there now. And it's like for them, they must think like we we have to get over the line. 247 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:32,000 So I think if we if we're strong defensively, which to be fair, we have been good defensively and we can limit them like, you know, they can have the ball, knock it around. 248 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:39,000 But as long as we limit their actual goal scoring chances, I think we will get chances to score. 249 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000 And because we have players that can hurt them. Absolutely. 250 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:50,000 I think like with Foden now sort of starting coming into form. I mean, for me, though, I mean, there's no way this would happen. 251 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,000 To be fair, I don't even know if I would have the balls to do this. 252 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:01,000 Drop Bellingham for Palmer like Palmer has just been every time he gets the ball. I agree. 253 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000 I think honestly, every time he gets the ball, I think something's going to happen here. 254 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000 I agree with you, Martin, but don't you think it would disrupt the balance? 255 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Yeah, I understand. I understand why you might think this point. 256 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Yeah, I understand why you might think this. And I agree with you. 257 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Palmer has been amazing and his self-confidence is just out of this world. 258 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000 And he has had a fantastic season for Chelsea. So no wonder. 259 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,000 But I still I would still be worried that it might disrupt balance. 260 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Let's imagine Bellingham wouldn't take it very well. Yeah. 261 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000 And he would start sulking or something. And you know how that you know that situation with Ronaldo in the Portuguese team. 262 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Yeah, stuff like that could happen. So just I think you should keep it as it is. 263 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000 And just one last thing, Southgate, then let's talk about him again. 264 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Should he stay then? He has to stay now, right? 265 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:56,000 In my opinion, yes. I mean, as well, who else would come in? Who's going to come in exactly? 266 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:04,000 If someone had a list of names and would say, you can replace him with, I don't know, Klopp wants the job or people like this, then maybe I would say yes. 267 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:15,000 But and the players love him. Right. So why disrupt it? And we're getting to finals and semi-finals, which again, I want to repeat, is not the normality for English people. 268 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Absolutely not. It's not for anyone, Martin. It's not easy for anyone. 269 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Well, maybe maybe like French in recent years, like finals. Yeah, but your recent years. 270 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,000 But it might not happen for another year. Yeah, it's not. It's not that easy to sustain that level. 271 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,000 You need to have a generation of talents who don't get their players don't get injured. 272 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 And it's so hard to keep that level. 273 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:46,000 So in my opinion, he has to stay like no manager or no team is perfect. 274 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000 So they will always come in for criticism. And I agree. 275 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000 At the start of this tournament, I was just thinking, what is this? 276 00:29:53,000 --> 00:30:05,000 And we were lucky because Denmark, if they had won that last game, we would have finished second in the group and we'd have been on the other side of the draw with like France, Spain, Portugal and everybody else. 277 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,000 But luckily they didn't. So we ended up winning the group and we had the favorable side of the draw. 278 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:20,000 So, but yeah, again, that is part of football. Like you have to ride your luck. Sometimes we've done that, but no one can argue with this record. 279 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Absolutely. No one can. So in my opinion, well, if, if he is, it should be his decision. 280 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,000 If he, because his contracts up at the end of this year, I think so it should absolutely be his decision. 281 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Like he has earned the right. Like, you know, like sir Alex Ferguson, it was his decision when he wanted to go at Manchester United because he had earned the right. 282 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000 The club would have never sacked him ever. 283 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:56,000 He had earned the right through success. And yeah, well, at the moment we haven't won anything, but success for me, like I said, I've seen so much rubbish over the years. 284 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:09,000 This is still been a successful period. If we lose on Sunday, I will still look back at this and think what a great period that was because there are so many memories and moments that I've had over the last few years, which I never had before. 285 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:16,000 And arguably even the semi-final might have been success arguably, but I agree with you. The final, like no one can argue against that. 286 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:23,000 In that 2018, we got to a semi-final and I honestly, I still look back at that. 287 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:32,000 I look back at that with fond memories then when we got to the final, the two, like two years later, because I mean, number one, it was so unexpected. 288 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:40,000 And it was the first time we had been in a semi-final in a World Cup in my life. And it was just so exciting. 289 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:51,000 We also won a penalty shootout that tournament for the first time in 22 years. And I look back at that and that's what it is football. It's just those memories of those moments. 290 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Yeah. And Southgate has given so many of these in recent years. 291 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Now the expectations have gone up as well. So that's the thing, like you raise expectations and then that's why the media and fans have been so harsh on Southgate in the recent years and even during this tournament. 292 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:17,000 And I think they have to stop now. They have to like take it back, the things they said about him. 293 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:26,000 I agree. I mean, there were so many people I was reading them saying like sack him now, like during the tournament. And I was just thinking you are mental. 294 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Idiot. 295 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Absolutely mental. Yeah. But I must admit there was a start of the tournament. There were times I was thinking, what is he doing? Why is he doing this? But you can't argue with him. 296 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:47,000 He's getting results and that's the end of the argument. You can say, yeah, but you should be doing this. You say, look, I'm in the final. That stop and argument ends there. 297 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:57,000 Exactly. Martin, you are in the final. I wish you good luck. At this point I'm probably supporting Spain because I've really enjoyed the way they play. I'm sorry. 298 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000 Yeah. As a neutral. Yeah, of course. 299 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:09,000 I have to do this. I have to do this. But if you win and you deserve it, listen. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. And finally England get it done and it would come home again. 300 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Let's see if you manage that. Fingers crossed. Thank you very much for coming on to the podcast again. You have any final words, Martin? 301 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Yeah. Well, I just want to say that number one, this is when England got to a final last time I was in Italy. 302 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:37,000 So this is the first time in my whole life I've ever been in England for final number two, I just don't know what to do for it. I like, I don't know if I should go into London because like if we were to win, obviously there's a huge if there. 303 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:48,000 I just don't know what I could do, which would be big enough to like merit like this because if I just watch it at home and like what just go to bed, like it only goes to show Martin. 304 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:57,000 This only goes to show that you're one of the best guests on this podcast because just like me, you're absolutely adore football and it's just a huge part of your life. 305 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Yeah. And it always will be. And this is the, this is the thing which seeing England win something is something I have wanted for my whole life and something that has never happened. 306 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:19,000 And it, I mean, I'm always getting emotional thinking about this. If we were to win, it would just be, it would literally be a dream. 307 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Like when it's morning, I was listening to all of the football songs and it honestly reminded me of Euro 96 when I was a child and I used to come home and listen to football's coming home and just like that excitement. 308 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,000 And I was feeling like I was 11 years old again. It was just like, it's so emotional now. 309 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,000 I understand because just like you, I'm an absolute, absolutely mad about football and it means a lot to me. 310 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:51,000 And if, listen, I'm not, I'm not even a patriot. I don't consider myself a patriot. I'm not one of the people that is going to start raving about my country. 311 00:34:51,000 --> 00:35:00,000 And I love it so much. I'm not, I'm not. I actually criticize the Czech people a lot and the mentality of the way they think. 312 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:09,000 And, and I, I've lived abroad a lot as a result of that as well. But when it comes to football, oh my God, like I will stand behind my team. 313 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Same. And I love these international tournaments because I'm even against like, like all of the, you know, like these manmade borders, like who says like France should stop there. 314 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:25,000 And like this country starts there and like all of the immigration stuff of like, you know, you're not English. 315 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Like I hate all of that, but when it, when it comes to football, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's nice. 316 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:40,000 Like in a right way, obviously, like I saw some England fans and some Dutch fans, they were singing Hey Jude together yesterday. 317 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:50,000 And you think this is great. Like in like my sort of membership group, there's lots of, we've got all the countries there and everyone's been like right in Stafford. 318 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000 Like, because my country, my country is playing your country. It's brilliant. It's just brilliant. 319 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:04,000 It just like unites people and it's yeah, absolutely. Martin, Martin, I agree with you completely. We have to go. Thank you very much for being on the podcast. 320 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:11,000 Thank you. Thank you very much. Been a pleasure and fingers crossed. All the best to your team. If you play well, you deserve it. 321 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:20,000 Absolutely. Thanks. I mean, to be honest, at this point, I'll take any kind of win, but I wouldn't want to win again, though, with like a diving or bad penalty. 322 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:30,000 But if we play badly and win, I'll still take that now. I'll take anything as long as I don't want to win in like a diving way or anything like that. 323 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000 Fair enough. 324 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000 Anything I'll take. 325 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Martin, enjoy, enjoy the final. Take care, man. 326 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:42,000 See you. Bye bye. 327 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is the Language Corner. 328 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:52,000 And this time, I swear I'm going to keep it short and sweet because this episode has been too long already. 329 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Towards the end of the episode, I said to Martin, I can't support you, Martin. I will support Spain. 330 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000 Are there any other ways to say that you support a football team? 331 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,000 Yes, there are. You can say that you cheer for a team. You can say I will cheer for you. 332 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:14,000 You can say that you will root for a team. I will root for the England team. 333 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000 Or even you can say I will back your team. 334 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:24,000 So to support someone, to cheer for someone, to root for someone and to back someone. 335 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:32,000 All right, everyone, don't forget to subscribe to the Footgrish podcast if you don't want to miss any future episodes about football. 336 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000 This is your way to improve English. 337 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:44,000 And you do it by listening to me talking to someone or sometimes by myself about your favorite passion. 338 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Come on. This is the best way to learn. 339 00:37:46,000 --> 00:38:05,000 So thank you very much for listening again and I'll speak to you soon. Cheers. Bye bye.