WEBVTT 00:00:01.299 --> 00:00:03.540 Welcome to Law Syrup, the show where we talk 00:00:03.540 --> 00:00:05.679 with special guests about hot topics in Canadian 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.359 law. This podcast is a co -production with the 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:10.759 Ontario Justice Education Network, also known 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:14.199 as OGEN. I'm your host, Herman Wong. Let's tap 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:22.359 it. Before we begin, please know that this show 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.960 is not intended to be legal advice or a replacement 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:28.839 for a legal representative. Summer's now over 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.320 and students are back in class, and what better 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.979 way to start the school year off than an episode 00:00:33.979 --> 00:00:37.280 featuring just students? On today's show, I speak 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.859 with Zainab, Jal, and Marwa. They are the first, 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.320 second, and third place winners of OGEN's 2024 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.700 Social Change Essay Contest. Together, we chat 00:00:46.700 --> 00:00:49.159 about what inspired them, why they decided to 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.920 take law in high school, and why they think other 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.520 students should do the same. Here's our conversation. 00:00:56.820 --> 00:01:00.280 Hi, my name is Joel and I'm in grade 11. My name 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.060 is Marwa and I'm in grade 11 as well. My name 00:01:03.060 --> 00:01:06.500 is Zainab and I'm in grade 12. So you are all 00:01:06.500 --> 00:01:08.719 here today because you participated in the OGEN 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.840 essay contest. But I want to go back to when 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.879 you first got interested into the law. And it's 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:15.819 very interesting because, you know, a lot of 00:01:15.819 --> 00:01:17.700 the people who listen to this show are high school 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:19.620 students, but we've never actually had high school 00:01:19.620 --> 00:01:22.959 students. featured on the show before. So I think 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:25.480 this is a very exciting opportunity for you guys 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.200 to share your interests, what drew you to the 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.400 law, as well as, you know, what you might think 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.159 of doing in terms of a career after high school. 00:01:34.459 --> 00:01:36.579 So how about we start off with our first question, 00:01:36.700 --> 00:01:39.140 which is what was your first exposure to the 00:01:39.140 --> 00:01:41.400 law? Or what made you decide to take a course 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.439 in law in high school? So Zainab, how about we 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.180 go to you first? So my first exposure to the 00:01:48.180 --> 00:01:51.560 law was probably in like grade eight. So at the 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:54.980 time we were like in the middle of COVID. And 00:01:54.980 --> 00:01:58.239 so I had a ton of free time on my hands. And 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.799 somehow I found myself on like the political 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:04.760 commentary side of YouTube. And so I kind of 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:08.080 fell into that rabbit hole. And then from there, 00:02:08.139 --> 00:02:12.110 I realized how. closely related politics and 00:02:12.110 --> 00:02:15.509 war and how they like impact our daily life. 00:02:15.729 --> 00:02:18.389 And so that became a really big interest of mine. 00:02:18.449 --> 00:02:20.909 And that's honestly stuck with me since then. 00:02:22.110 --> 00:02:25.340 That's great. How about you, Marwa? Honestly, 00:02:25.699 --> 00:02:29.039 I can't remember anything that specifically sparked 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.180 my interest. I know I've always loved like English 00:02:32.180 --> 00:02:35.340 and all kinds of social topics. And I think that's 00:02:35.340 --> 00:02:38.240 what extended my liking into law and politics. 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:41.240 I'm pretty sure I first started really liking 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.139 law through like... Criminal Minds, probably. 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.479 But that obviously expanded into true research 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.939 and actually finding a passion for this subject. 00:02:51.219 --> 00:02:54.360 I took the course because I found that I really 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.780 wanted to study law in the future. And it was 00:02:56.780 --> 00:02:59.599 my first chance to actually learn about law in 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.860 a class setting because there's reading about 00:03:01.860 --> 00:03:03.939 it and researching. And then there's also being 00:03:03.939 --> 00:03:06.340 in a class and being able to share your interest 00:03:06.340 --> 00:03:08.580 with other people and learn about it. And it's 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:11.400 been my favorite class I've ever taken. That's 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.849 great. And you, Joel? Well laws all over the 00:03:14.849 --> 00:03:16.930 media and especially in Bollywood movies so like 00:03:16.930 --> 00:03:21.330 Like home movies about lawyer fighting a case 00:03:21.330 --> 00:03:23.590 and while like watching those movies I always 00:03:23.590 --> 00:03:24.930 thought would be so much fun to be a lawyer. 00:03:25.090 --> 00:03:27.009 I heard that in the law class. They're like mock 00:03:27.009 --> 00:03:29.270 trials which are exactly the trials in the movie 00:03:29.270 --> 00:03:31.129 so like that made me want to really take a long 00:03:31.129 --> 00:03:33.090 okay well that's exciting are any of you like 00:03:33.090 --> 00:03:35.789 interested in like the sciences because i know 00:03:35.789 --> 00:03:39.969 i wasn't oh i love science yes i i specifically 00:03:39.969 --> 00:03:42.689 really love like psychology and neurology like 00:03:42.689 --> 00:03:46.210 oh my gosh that's really i love neurology yeah 00:03:47.770 --> 00:03:51.550 Oh my gosh. I took grade 9 and 10 science because 00:03:51.550 --> 00:03:55.490 it was mandatory. And originally I was like, 00:03:55.490 --> 00:03:56.990 oh, I'm totally going to be a doctor, right? 00:03:57.050 --> 00:04:00.409 I wanted to be a surgeon. And then I took physics 00:04:00.409 --> 00:04:02.129 and it was like an optics course. And I'm like, 00:04:02.150 --> 00:04:05.030 this is like really beyond my knowledge. So kudos 00:04:05.030 --> 00:04:07.710 to all of you for being very good and interested 00:04:07.710 --> 00:04:11.289 in science because I was not. Anyways, we're 00:04:11.289 --> 00:04:13.939 here to talk about the law. How about we talk 00:04:13.939 --> 00:04:16.439 about why you like learning about the law? And 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.160 what do you find challenging in terms of learning 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.620 about all the different topics that come under 00:04:21.620 --> 00:04:24.319 this umbrella? How about you, Jal? How about 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.860 you go first? Well, I really love that there's 00:04:26.860 --> 00:04:28.620 no one answer in law. And it's like all about 00:04:28.620 --> 00:04:30.379 your perspective. And it adds a lot of layers. 00:04:30.500 --> 00:04:32.360 And that makes law really interesting to me. 00:04:32.589 --> 00:04:34.389 But that also makes it really difficult, you 00:04:34.389 --> 00:04:36.069 know what I mean? Yeah. Because most of the time, 00:04:36.069 --> 00:04:37.850 there's, like, a lot of gray area in law, like, 00:04:37.889 --> 00:04:40.350 infamously with, like, abortion, where the law 00:04:40.350 --> 00:04:42.110 can be interpreted to show abortion as, like, 00:04:42.110 --> 00:04:44.209 a form of murder. But other times, like, humane 00:04:44.209 --> 00:04:46.509 practice. So it's, like, really hard to always 00:04:46.509 --> 00:04:49.189 know what's morally right. Right. How about you, 00:04:49.209 --> 00:04:53.579 Marwa? That's a hard one because there's definitely 00:04:53.579 --> 00:04:56.579 a lot of answers to both. And I really agree 00:04:56.579 --> 00:04:59.300 with Joel because one thing I like is how many 00:04:59.300 --> 00:05:01.740 perspectives it involves. Like law connects to 00:05:01.740 --> 00:05:04.079 so many different subjects. And as a result, 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.160 a lot of ways of thinking. I personally find 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.379 that law is dynamic. And so our way of understanding 00:05:10.379 --> 00:05:13.319 or looking at it also has to be. And what's interesting 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.600 is that, again, that's also why it's challenging 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.199 because you're forced to have more than one perspective 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.149 and see law in a bunch of different ways. Right. 00:05:21.290 --> 00:05:26.029 And you, Zainab? What I enjoy learning most about 00:05:26.029 --> 00:05:29.550 the law is probably how it practically affects 00:05:29.550 --> 00:05:32.550 our societies. And I think that's important to 00:05:32.550 --> 00:05:35.329 consider is how the laws of an area would affect 00:05:35.329 --> 00:05:38.430 the people who live there. But that said, one 00:05:38.430 --> 00:05:42.370 of the more challenging aspects for me has been 00:05:42.370 --> 00:05:45.389 learning to analyze cases from different perspectives 00:05:45.389 --> 00:05:49.160 and understanding that Law is not always black 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.019 and white. And there's like so much nuance. And 00:05:52.019 --> 00:05:54.139 there's a lot that can like vary depending on 00:05:54.139 --> 00:05:56.660 circumstances. And while I kind of enjoy that 00:05:56.660 --> 00:05:59.019 complexity overall, it can definitely be like 00:05:59.019 --> 00:06:02.439 tricky to figure out that at times. Right. So 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.699 in terms of learning about the law, I know we 00:06:05.699 --> 00:06:07.920 mentioned, you know, criminal minds. We've mentioned 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.449 law in Bollywood movies. Did anything shock you 00:06:11.449 --> 00:06:13.189 when you took your law class and you're like, 00:06:13.290 --> 00:06:15.670 wow, I didn't know this thing was actually a 00:06:15.670 --> 00:06:17.529 part of the legal system we have here in Canada. 00:06:18.089 --> 00:06:20.870 Marwa, how about we go to you first? I'm trying 00:06:20.870 --> 00:06:24.149 to think here. I don't know if anything specifically 00:06:24.149 --> 00:06:26.610 shocked me, but I do know that one thing that 00:06:26.610 --> 00:06:28.769 surprised me or that I found challenging is that 00:06:28.769 --> 00:06:31.509 I feel like it can be very vague, you know, for 00:06:31.509 --> 00:06:33.509 a subject that's so wordy. I feel like there's 00:06:33.509 --> 00:06:36.170 some things that like there's again, because 00:06:36.170 --> 00:06:37.769 there's no one answer. I feel like sometimes. 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.600 politicians or the government can kind of take 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:44.600 advantage of that. So again, like abortion laws, 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.839 you have laws like that, that are very, very 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.819 hard to understand, like you can read between 00:06:50.819 --> 00:06:53.720 the lines. And obviously, that probably has to 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.500 do with how the law can be open to change. But 00:06:55.500 --> 00:06:57.920 that can make it really hard to understand and, 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.300 you know, form an opinion on some things. And 00:07:01.300 --> 00:07:05.060 how about you, Joel? What surprised you? So particularly 00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:07.040 in Canadian law, what really surprised me was 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.459 the notwithstanding cause and how the government 00:07:09.459 --> 00:07:11.699 can choose to completely ignore the charter for 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:13.860 five years. So that was really cool. But if you're 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:15.279 not talking about Canadian law, what surprised 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.439 me the most is that humans have been using a 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.500 legal system for thousands of years. Right. And 00:07:20.500 --> 00:07:22.319 even they always have a modern and equitable 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:24.740 way of thinking. For example, if you look at 00:07:24.740 --> 00:07:27.759 the Code of Hammurabi, it's like a form of law 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.079 from Babylon. And it was discovered in 1750 BC, 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:33.399 pretty sure. One of the laws is that if a man 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.399 kills a pregnant woman, instead of killing the 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.139 man, they actually kill his daughter, which is 00:07:37.139 --> 00:07:38.740 like one of the best ways to directly punish 00:07:38.740 --> 00:07:40.480 the man. So I found that really interesting. 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.939 I think I saw the Code of Hammurabi when I was 00:07:43.939 --> 00:07:45.480 in Paris last year. I think it's in the Louvre 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.360 Museum. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I was like, 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.540 I remember learning about this in my grade 11 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:52.740 law class. And I saw it in real life last year. 00:07:52.779 --> 00:07:54.060 I'm like, oh my gosh, this is really bringing 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:57.560 me back to those days. But I mean, what's included 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.589 in there is pretty... um horrifying um but Zainab 00:08:02.589 --> 00:08:04.449 how about you what surprised you when you first 00:08:04.449 --> 00:08:07.110 started to learn about the law honestly like 00:08:07.110 --> 00:08:09.649 Marwa said like there wasn't one thing where 00:08:09.649 --> 00:08:11.910 I was like oh like that's surprising that it's 00:08:11.910 --> 00:08:14.730 in Canadian law but I think like a broader um 00:08:14.730 --> 00:08:18.850 like thing that surprised me going into my first 00:08:18.850 --> 00:08:22.149 grade 11 law class um was how digestible the 00:08:22.149 --> 00:08:24.910 law can be once you actually start to break down 00:08:24.910 --> 00:08:28.769 like legal topics and principles And it becomes 00:08:28.769 --> 00:08:33.090 like a lot less intimidating once you start to 00:08:33.090 --> 00:08:34.929 read about it and get some background information 00:08:34.929 --> 00:08:38.470 on why laws are the way that laws are. And you 00:08:38.470 --> 00:08:40.669 realize that practically like they they do make 00:08:40.669 --> 00:08:43.690 a lot of sense. Right. Did you find it challenging? 00:08:43.809 --> 00:08:45.590 Did anybody here find it challenging when you 00:08:45.590 --> 00:08:47.149 first took your law class and you're like, wow, 00:08:47.230 --> 00:08:49.190 I don't understand what this is talking about? 00:08:49.409 --> 00:08:51.450 Or were you like, OK, this kind of makes sense? 00:08:52.389 --> 00:08:54.970 Honestly, for me, it kind of made sense, especially 00:08:54.970 --> 00:08:57.639 the way that our. curriculum was like structured. 00:08:57.940 --> 00:09:00.059 So like in the beginning, like the first few 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:02.220 weeks, the way that we kind of eased into it 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:04.620 was starting with like the background of law 00:09:04.620 --> 00:09:07.779 and then like what law actually is before we 00:09:07.779 --> 00:09:09.840 got into like the specifics. So I really liked 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:11.919 the way that it was structured. That's great. 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:14.720 How about you, Jal or Marwa? Did you find it 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.279 challenging at first? No, I found it pretty easy. 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:20.179 I think my teacher, yeah, he's like a really 00:09:20.179 --> 00:09:22.340 good teacher. He made it like really simple for 00:09:22.340 --> 00:09:24.299 me to understand. So really appreciate for that. 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.519 Yeah. How about you, Marwa? Um, yeah, I mean, 00:09:27.539 --> 00:09:29.600 I think a lot of people find law intimidating, 00:09:29.860 --> 00:09:31.740 because when you go straight into looking at 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:33.799 like the criminal code or the charter, it's it 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.779 can be hard to understand. But when you look 00:09:36.779 --> 00:09:40.080 at the fundamentals first, then it's easier to 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.740 see because those fundamentals extend to like 00:09:42.740 --> 00:09:44.940 every other part of law. So that's when I find 00:09:44.940 --> 00:09:47.539 it easy to understand. But you kind of just have 00:09:47.539 --> 00:09:50.500 to start from something that's easier to digest 00:09:50.500 --> 00:09:52.440 and then go on to the more complicated things. 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:54.720 Right. Well, here's another question for you 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.019 all. How important do you think the teacher is 00:09:58.019 --> 00:10:00.700 in terms of helping you to understand all of 00:10:00.700 --> 00:10:03.080 these different legal topics? Joel, how about 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.419 we start with you? I think the teacher makes 00:10:05.419 --> 00:10:07.840 a really big difference because they're basically 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.919 your entry point into law. If you're a hard teacher, 00:10:11.179 --> 00:10:13.419 you would think law is impossible to understand 00:10:13.419 --> 00:10:16.440 and just drive yourself away from law. We have 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.379 a teacher who actually puts like a lot of effort 00:10:18.379 --> 00:10:21.059 into making sure you understand the law. And 00:10:21.059 --> 00:10:22.679 if you don't understand it, how can you understand 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.340 it? I think that's really important, especially 00:10:24.340 --> 00:10:26.240 when trying to understand something abstract 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.740 like law. How about you, Marwa? I definitely 00:10:29.740 --> 00:10:31.620 think the teacher is super important because 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:34.100 I think in any subject, a teacher can really 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:36.700 make or break a class. I think especially for 00:10:36.700 --> 00:10:40.340 a subject like law, it's not just about understanding, 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:42.620 but also nurturing that interest and that passion. 00:10:42.700 --> 00:10:44.820 And if you have a teacher that doesn't really 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:48.980 care. per se, then maybe that could have a student 00:10:48.980 --> 00:10:51.019 losing interest in law. So yeah, I think it's 00:10:51.019 --> 00:10:53.179 really important to have a good teacher. And 00:10:53.179 --> 00:10:54.960 you, Zainab, what do you think about this issue? 00:10:55.779 --> 00:10:58.740 Yeah, I would definitely agree with both of them. 00:10:59.259 --> 00:11:02.240 So I took grade 11 law and grade 12 law, and 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.120 both of my teachers were incredible. But my grade 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.279 12 law teacher in particular, I really, really 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.059 appreciate everything she did for our class. 00:11:11.299 --> 00:11:14.980 She was so great in helping everybody. be more 00:11:14.980 --> 00:11:18.500 engaged. And so honestly, probably every single 00:11:18.500 --> 00:11:20.700 day we would have like lengthy class discussions 00:11:20.700 --> 00:11:23.139 about the cases that were in the news or what 00:11:23.139 --> 00:11:26.759 was in our textbook. And it honestly helped my 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.639 interest in law go from probably like a seven 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.740 straight to like a 10. Wow. That's great because 00:11:32.740 --> 00:11:35.779 we recently recorded a podcast with teachers, 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.519 high school law teachers to get their perspectives 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.480 as well. So it's really interesting to hear what 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.129 you all have to say too about. your experiences 00:11:43.129 --> 00:11:45.750 in a high school law class, as well as your experiences 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:48.929 working with really fun teachers who are engaging. 00:11:49.330 --> 00:11:52.570 So my next question for you all is this, if you 00:11:52.570 --> 00:11:55.309 knew someone who was in grade 10, and they were 00:11:55.309 --> 00:11:57.250 thinking about what electives they could take 00:11:57.250 --> 00:12:00.070 in the next year, what would you say to convince 00:12:00.070 --> 00:12:03.750 them to take a high school law class? So Marwa, 00:12:03.809 --> 00:12:07.230 how about we go to you first? I was actually 00:12:07.230 --> 00:12:09.250 in this position with my friend, she's in grade 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:13.460 10. And I convinced her to take uh grade 11 law 00:12:13.460 --> 00:12:16.240 even though she was she's really scared of like 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.659 speaking in class or kind of public speaking 00:12:18.659 --> 00:12:23.159 but i convinced her because i think that the 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:24.820 law class is not only fun because you get to 00:12:24.820 --> 00:12:27.480 learn about law but you also learn like a lot 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.200 of different skills again law involves a lot 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.639 of different subjects so when you start learning 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.990 about law you learn a lot of things with it and 00:12:34.990 --> 00:12:37.210 having those skills is important for anything 00:12:37.210 --> 00:12:40.049 I think having a law class or at least a basic 00:12:40.049 --> 00:12:42.389 understanding of law under your belt helps you 00:12:42.389 --> 00:12:44.590 with any career you want to go into into the 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:47.090 future that's great and Zaina what would you 00:12:47.090 --> 00:12:49.769 say to someone who is thinking about taking law 00:12:49.769 --> 00:12:52.490 in grade 11 or in grade 12 and they were kind 00:12:52.490 --> 00:12:53.929 of on the edge and they don't know whether to 00:12:53.929 --> 00:12:57.659 do it or not I would honestly tell them that 00:12:57.659 --> 00:13:00.480 the law is not something to be scared of at all 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.279 um and that it does have an intimidating reputation 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.179 but it's really not that bad at all um and that 00:13:06.179 --> 00:13:08.980 it's actually like one of the most powerful tools 00:13:08.980 --> 00:13:11.539 that we have to fight for justice and to protect 00:13:11.539 --> 00:13:14.139 our rights and you know to create like the kind 00:13:14.139 --> 00:13:16.340 of equitable society that we all want to see 00:13:16.340 --> 00:13:19.220 and and being able to do that really can start 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:21.600 from honestly just taking a grade 11 or 12 law 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.470 course yeah how about you joel I would tell them 00:13:25.470 --> 00:13:27.250 that you should definitely take law. I mean, 00:13:27.289 --> 00:13:30.529 law really impacts all aspects of your life. 00:13:30.669 --> 00:13:32.909 And like by knowing law, you could truly know 00:13:32.909 --> 00:13:34.629 what rights you have and what the police can 00:13:34.629 --> 00:13:36.690 do to you or not do to you. And I think that's 00:13:36.690 --> 00:13:39.789 really important. And well, law also has a lot 00:13:39.789 --> 00:13:42.210 of good career pathways. Like you choose to become 00:13:42.210 --> 00:13:45.450 a lawyer, which are like a great career. You 00:13:45.450 --> 00:13:48.129 could choose to like work as a government official. 00:13:48.190 --> 00:13:49.649 Like if you want to go into politics, you need 00:13:49.649 --> 00:13:52.409 law. So I think that law really opens a lot of 00:13:52.409 --> 00:13:55.570 opportunities for you. Let's move on now to a 00:13:55.570 --> 00:13:57.789 different topic, which is the essays that you 00:13:57.789 --> 00:14:00.690 all wrote. So I read your essays and they were 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:03.690 fantastic. And I mean, you all dealt with very 00:14:03.690 --> 00:14:07.210 interesting and very serious topics such as Bill 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:10.230 21, the decriminalization of drugs, intimate 00:14:10.230 --> 00:14:13.690 partner violence. I wanted to ask you all, how 00:14:13.690 --> 00:14:16.169 did you decide on the topic that you wanted to 00:14:16.169 --> 00:14:18.970 submit as part of this essay contest? So, Joel, 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:21.720 how about we go back to you first? I chose the 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:23.659 decriminalization of the personal use of drugs 00:14:23.659 --> 00:14:26.000 because I was going to write an essay for my 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.039 class. And at first, it seemed really easy, like 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.019 a straightforward essay where I argue that Canada 00:14:30.019 --> 00:14:31.460 should not decriminalize the personal use of 00:14:31.460 --> 00:14:33.600 all drugs because there's no reason to and probably 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.259 worsen the drug crisis. And I always found researching 00:14:36.259 --> 00:14:38.139 the effects of drug really interesting to me. 00:14:38.299 --> 00:14:40.019 So this would be like a great research journey 00:14:40.019 --> 00:14:42.620 for myself. But I'll actually end up arguing 00:14:42.620 --> 00:14:44.940 the complete opposite after doing more research. 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.679 I found that really fun. But yeah, that's why. 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.440 Yeah, and we'll get to how you did your research 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.659 later. But Mara, how about you? How did you decide 00:14:52.659 --> 00:14:56.360 on your topic? I decided on my topic because 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:00.059 it is not only personal to me and my family, 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.259 but I think it speaks to a lot of other issues 00:15:03.259 --> 00:15:07.299 that we have in society. Like Bill 21 presents 00:15:07.299 --> 00:15:10.100 problems that are present in other aspects of 00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:12.500 law, not just in Canada, but in other places. 00:15:12.539 --> 00:15:15.279 And I thought it was really important to... bring 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.980 awareness about that. And I wanted to show why 00:15:17.980 --> 00:15:19.980 this is not only a problem for the people affected, 00:15:20.139 --> 00:15:23.360 but for all of society and how this kind of moves 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.820 us backwards. And Zainab, how did you choose 00:15:25.820 --> 00:15:29.480 your topic? So selecting my topic was honestly 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.620 a no -brainer for me. And so leading up to finding 00:15:33.620 --> 00:15:35.919 out about the essay competition, I had read, 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.500 and I distinctly remember this, it was a Global 00:15:38.500 --> 00:15:42.200 News article. And I was talking about how domestic 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.620 violence was on the rise in Canada, which was 00:15:44.620 --> 00:15:46.379 not only surprising to me, but it was also a 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:49.000 big concern as somebody who is passionate about 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.360 women's rights. And so I honestly thought that 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.320 this would be such a good opportunity to further 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.940 flesh out my thoughts and ideas on the topic 00:15:56.940 --> 00:16:00.080 and then be able to explore preventative measures 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.269 to intimate partner violence. Right. And how 00:16:03.269 --> 00:16:05.509 was the research process like for all of your 00:16:05.509 --> 00:16:08.250 essays? Have you ever written an essay like this 00:16:08.250 --> 00:16:10.409 before? Zainab, how about we go back to you first? 00:16:11.110 --> 00:16:14.210 Yeah, so actually, I wrote an essay similar to 00:16:14.210 --> 00:16:17.429 this in my grade 11 law class. And I think the 00:16:17.429 --> 00:16:21.029 prompt was like a topic concerning Canadian law 00:16:21.029 --> 00:16:23.929 or something. And I remember I chose to do mine 00:16:23.929 --> 00:16:26.750 on the decriminalization of illicit drugs for 00:16:26.750 --> 00:16:30.570 personal use. And so the structure of that essay 00:16:30.570 --> 00:16:33.509 was pretty similar to this one. But that's as 00:16:33.509 --> 00:16:36.009 far as like my prior experience in writing an 00:16:36.009 --> 00:16:38.330 essay of this nature goes. And how about you, 00:16:38.350 --> 00:16:42.460 Marwa? So I have written analytical and opinion 00:16:42.460 --> 00:16:44.759 -based essays or texts before because I like 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:47.639 to write. And I had some previous knowledge on 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.879 Bill 21 because I did a project on it in history. 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.440 I've had debates with my teacher about it. So 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.679 it was really a matter of expanding my knowledge 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.419 and reading more articles and seeing like the 00:16:57.419 --> 00:16:59.539 arguments being made for it and how different 00:16:59.539 --> 00:17:01.580 sides perceive it so that I could form my argument. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.299 And Jaal, how about you? So this was the first 00:17:05.299 --> 00:17:07.079 actual time I've written like a research -heavy 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.509 essay like this. So I have to thank my... a law 00:17:09.509 --> 00:17:11.190 teacher, Mr. Stone, for teaching me the process. 00:17:11.750 --> 00:17:15.029 So basically what you do is like you take a list 00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:16.930 of a source, you make a list of sources that 00:17:16.930 --> 00:17:19.109 you could possibly use for information, and you 00:17:19.109 --> 00:17:20.769 want to write a thesis that includes the three 00:17:20.769 --> 00:17:22.210 main points of the essay that you're going to 00:17:22.210 --> 00:17:24.289 write. After that, you want to search through 00:17:24.289 --> 00:17:26.549 those sources for nuggets of information like 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:28.480 you're mining for gold. When you find, like, 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.500 useful information, you write these nuggets on 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:32.380 a cue card, and then you note the source you 00:17:32.380 --> 00:17:34.279 got this nugget from. And then you just keep 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:38.079 continuing searching for nuggets inside your 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:40.119 sources. And at the end, you have, like, a bunch 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.480 of cue cards full of information that can help 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.380 you write your essay. At the end, I had about 00:17:44.380 --> 00:17:46.819 50. And the next step was to, like, separate 00:17:46.819 --> 00:17:48.660 the nuggets depending on which point they argue 00:17:48.660 --> 00:17:51.839 best and arrange them in a way where, like, they 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.710 flow from one point to another. And then at the 00:17:54.710 --> 00:17:56.250 end, you just have to fill in the words and you 00:17:56.250 --> 00:17:58.990 can make like a really good essay or like each 00:17:58.990 --> 00:18:00.970 point flows into the next one. It's like it's 00:18:00.970 --> 00:18:03.990 really well worded. It's like it's perfect. Yeah. 00:18:04.069 --> 00:18:05.670 You know, that's a really interesting way of 00:18:05.670 --> 00:18:08.029 like visualizing how to write an essay. Like 00:18:08.029 --> 00:18:10.269 I feel like my strategy is also similar to you, 00:18:10.289 --> 00:18:13.190 Jaws. Like I can read something and then from 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.170 that reading, I'll take away like a bunch of 00:18:15.170 --> 00:18:17.789 key points that I want to include. And those 00:18:17.789 --> 00:18:19.109 are like the nuggets that you're talking about. 00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:21.750 And usually when I would look at my list. It's 00:18:21.750 --> 00:18:23.329 all about like kind of putting the puzzle pieces 00:18:23.329 --> 00:18:26.670 together and like seeing how I can use all of 00:18:26.670 --> 00:18:28.950 this and transform it into a way that sounds 00:18:28.950 --> 00:18:32.490 cohesive. And that's also argumentative and persuasive. 00:18:32.569 --> 00:18:35.410 So very interesting way of doing your essay. 00:18:35.549 --> 00:18:38.529 And I really appreciate that visualization. So 00:18:38.529 --> 00:18:40.930 when you all did your research for these essays 00:18:40.930 --> 00:18:43.230 or while you were drafting them, was there anything 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:45.869 that you learned that stood out to you in this 00:18:45.869 --> 00:18:48.109 process? So Jal, how about we go back to you? 00:18:49.069 --> 00:18:50.990 The easiest was definitely writing the words 00:18:50.990 --> 00:18:53.250 between the information for the essay since all 00:18:53.250 --> 00:18:54.890 you need to do was just find out which words 00:18:54.890 --> 00:18:58.750 sound the best. And the hardest part was definitely 00:18:58.750 --> 00:19:00.650 researching the information itself since like 00:19:00.650 --> 00:19:02.910 most sources nowadays have like a paywall stopping 00:19:02.910 --> 00:19:05.589 your research. And then another hard part was 00:19:05.589 --> 00:19:07.470 probably choosing how to separate it. Like so 00:19:07.470 --> 00:19:09.789 many points of information argue more than one 00:19:09.789 --> 00:19:11.569 topic. So you really need to like critically 00:19:11.569 --> 00:19:13.529 think on how you could use each point of information 00:19:13.529 --> 00:19:16.089 most effectively. Right. And Mauro, what did 00:19:16.089 --> 00:19:19.430 you learn through this process? I honestly learned 00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:23.069 that there are a lot of problems in society that 00:19:23.069 --> 00:19:25.789 just continue because people who aren't directly 00:19:25.789 --> 00:19:28.710 affected aren't aware of that. So something that 00:19:28.710 --> 00:19:31.329 was easy in writing my essay was my argument. 00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:33.630 I knew what I wanted to say and what I wanted 00:19:33.630 --> 00:19:37.089 to highlight. And probably the hardest part, 00:19:37.230 --> 00:19:39.349 though, was was wording. So even though I know 00:19:39.349 --> 00:19:41.829 what I wanted to say, I had to be persuasive 00:19:41.829 --> 00:19:43.970 and make a strong point without sounding too 00:19:43.970 --> 00:19:46.500 personal, because, again, I'm trying to. convince 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:50.640 people about how this is a problem to like all 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:52.680 of Canadian society and all of Canadian law and 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:54.920 not just one singular person or one singular 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.500 group of people. So I learned that it's important 00:19:57.500 --> 00:20:00.380 to highlight why it affects more than just one 00:20:00.380 --> 00:20:04.599 person. And Zainab, how about you? So I learned 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:07.259 quite a bit about domestic violence in general 00:20:07.259 --> 00:20:10.119 as I was writing this essay. But one thing that 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.519 came as a surprise to me, which retrospectively 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.160 is probably kind of obvious, is the fact that 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.940 DV is not limited to abusive interactions between 00:20:18.940 --> 00:20:22.420 two spouses. And it can also take place between 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:24.619 like a mother and a son or a mother and daughter 00:20:24.619 --> 00:20:27.980 or like father and son. um so that was surprising 00:20:27.980 --> 00:20:29.740 for me because in my head i'd always thought 00:20:29.740 --> 00:20:31.880 like domestic violence okay that means like two 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:34.299 spouses um but i think that it's like important 00:20:34.299 --> 00:20:37.940 to to not only recognize that but also like um 00:20:37.940 --> 00:20:40.000 be able to acknowledge it and like open up that 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.240 conversation um around the dynamics that fall 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.759 under domestic violence um because i think it 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.099 would help make a lot of survivors feel more 00:20:48.099 --> 00:20:51.259 comfortable with coming forward and seeking justice 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.539 And since the essays were all about law and social 00:20:55.539 --> 00:20:58.519 change, this might be a very big question, but 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:01.799 how do you all see law as being a vehicle for 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:04.440 social change? Jal, how about we go back to you 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.220 again? So I learned that law and society are 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:10.700 like directly linked. Like sometimes society 00:21:10.700 --> 00:21:13.400 pushes for legal change, like with the decriminalization 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:15.880 of marijuana. And other times law drives social 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.160 change by changing how people in society act 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.880 and perceive certain actions. Law forms or break 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.680 stigmas and stigmas directly affect society and 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.880 lead to social change. So what's really important 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:28.099 is that we are like electing lawmakers that push 00:21:28.099 --> 00:21:29.539 social change in the direction that is right 00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:32.700 to us. And through that, we'll create social 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:35.480 change that's perfect for our society. And Marwa, 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.799 how about you? That definitely is a big question. 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:42.140 I think law is a vehicle for social change because 00:21:42.140 --> 00:21:45.819 law has the power to shape society, not just 00:21:45.819 --> 00:21:48.420 because of what's legal or illegal or the basic 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:50.299 things that people think of when they think of 00:21:50.299 --> 00:21:53.200 law, but because it really does form societal 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.180 norms and how society functions or thinks. Law 00:21:56.180 --> 00:21:59.680 dates back to... all kinds of things in anthropology, 00:22:00.099 --> 00:22:04.180 like society started with law. And that shapes 00:22:04.180 --> 00:22:07.279 a bunch of ways of how people think and cultural 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.039 norms and all kinds of things that law affects. 00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:13.900 So because law affects all those things, changing 00:22:13.900 --> 00:22:16.460 the law is what can change those things. And 00:22:16.460 --> 00:22:18.759 those are such big changes. So if done right, 00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:22.039 those can also be very good changes for the good 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:25.140 of society as a whole. Totally true. And Zainab, 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:28.930 how about you? I think that the solution for 00:22:28.930 --> 00:22:31.430 a lot of social issues that we're facing today 00:22:31.430 --> 00:22:35.490 are in the law. And so like whether that's like 00:22:35.490 --> 00:22:39.630 environmental issues or racial inequality or 00:22:39.630 --> 00:22:41.910 something of that sort, there's usually something 00:22:41.910 --> 00:22:44.990 that we can do relating to the law to mitigate 00:22:44.990 --> 00:22:48.049 like the negative effects of those issues. So 00:22:48.049 --> 00:22:49.650 like, for example, we have like environmental. 00:22:50.430 --> 00:22:53.029 protection acts or human rights codes that are 00:22:53.029 --> 00:22:55.450 effective and significant in addressing these 00:22:55.450 --> 00:22:58.250 social issues. So in that sense, I think that 00:22:58.250 --> 00:23:02.170 the law is probably the best vehicle, so to speak, 00:23:02.170 --> 00:23:05.109 for social change. Honestly, I'm very amazed 00:23:05.109 --> 00:23:07.250 by the three of you, because if I were in your 00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:08.970 position back in high school, I was definitely 00:23:08.970 --> 00:23:11.569 not as cerebral or thoughtful of these things. 00:23:12.410 --> 00:23:15.930 So you guys have all been totally amazing. There's 00:23:15.930 --> 00:23:18.890 a reason why your essays were selected as part 00:23:18.890 --> 00:23:21.509 of this contest. But let's go back to a more 00:23:21.509 --> 00:23:24.490 casual conversation. And you can be honest with 00:23:24.490 --> 00:23:27.430 me. Who here is actually thinking about pursuing 00:23:27.430 --> 00:23:31.589 a career in law? Is anyone thinking about that? 00:23:31.829 --> 00:23:35.690 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. I know. Okay, it's 00:23:35.690 --> 00:23:38.029 my backup plan. Okay, so all three of you. Okay, 00:23:38.130 --> 00:23:41.490 that's great. Like being a lawyer specifically 00:23:41.490 --> 00:23:44.769 or are there other avenues within the legal profession 00:23:44.769 --> 00:23:47.190 that you are all interested in? Joel, how about 00:23:47.190 --> 00:23:50.009 we go to you first? So law is definitely an option 00:23:50.009 --> 00:23:52.049 for me because I love law and especially finding 00:23:52.049 --> 00:23:54.369 cases. So I would love to be a lawyer. I also 00:23:54.369 --> 00:23:56.490 really, really love neuroscience and learning 00:23:56.490 --> 00:23:58.690 about the brain, which is why my dream career 00:23:58.690 --> 00:24:00.849 is like a neurosurgeon. But law is definitely 00:24:00.849 --> 00:24:03.500 my backup plan. Those are like very diametrically 00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:06.640 opposed topics like neuroscience and law. I mean, 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:08.480 there's health law available. That's a sector 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.259 of law that I find to be very interesting. So 00:24:11.259 --> 00:24:13.279 you never know. I mean, there could be some sort 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.299 of transfer of knowledge there, too. Mara, how 00:24:16.299 --> 00:24:20.240 about you? I do want to be a lawyer. I specifically 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.140 want to be either a crown lawyer or if not a 00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:25.380 crown lawyer, then a family lawyer. And that's 00:24:25.380 --> 00:24:27.380 specifically because even if I don't be a lawyer, 00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:30.390 I want a career in law to. Kind of help make 00:24:30.390 --> 00:24:32.549 a change. I feel like having a career in law 00:24:32.549 --> 00:24:35.470 can help you make those changes that you aspire 00:24:35.470 --> 00:24:38.309 to make, even from someone who's in high school 00:24:38.309 --> 00:24:41.710 and being this young. And also just because I 00:24:41.710 --> 00:24:43.569 want to expand my knowledge in a subject that 00:24:43.569 --> 00:24:46.490 I have really come to enjoy. That's great. And 00:24:46.490 --> 00:24:49.210 Zainab, how about you? So I definitely want. 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.079 to work in the legal field because I want a career 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:55.359 where I can contribute to some of the causes 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.819 that I'm passionate about, such as advocating 00:24:57.819 --> 00:25:01.059 for victims of domestic violence. And I think 00:25:01.059 --> 00:25:03.460 that that can be best done through working in 00:25:03.460 --> 00:25:06.619 law. But as for what exactly that's going to 00:25:06.619 --> 00:25:08.980 look like specifically in terms of one career 00:25:08.980 --> 00:25:13.339 title or description, I'm not too sure. So right 00:25:13.339 --> 00:25:16.170 now I'm kind of still... in the water about what 00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:18.049 that's going to look like. But I know that I 00:25:18.049 --> 00:25:20.470 want to work in the legal field. Yeah, that's 00:25:20.470 --> 00:25:22.789 really amazing because I think you've all taken 00:25:22.789 --> 00:25:26.369 really great steps forward to kind of go into 00:25:26.369 --> 00:25:28.829 it headfirst and learn about these topics that 00:25:28.829 --> 00:25:30.970 you're passionate about and writing about them. 00:25:31.069 --> 00:25:33.869 I think it's really good. But before we get into 00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:35.869 other things, we're going to do a small little 00:25:35.869 --> 00:25:37.789 lightning round of fun questions with everybody 00:25:37.789 --> 00:25:40.430 just to kind of cap off the episode on a lighter 00:25:40.430 --> 00:25:42.950 note. So I'm just going to ask a couple of questions 00:25:42.950 --> 00:25:45.410 and feel free to answer. Feel free to just shout 00:25:45.410 --> 00:25:48.119 your answers out. That's totally fine. But we'll 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:49.619 go from there. All right. What is your favorite 00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:54.220 weekend activity? Driving. Driving? Like just 00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:58.140 like driving on the highway or like? Just driving 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:01.859 car. It's fun. Okay. Like just driving on the 00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:03.940 street or like anywhere in particular? Probably 00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:06.539 on the highway. That's the best part. Okay. All 00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:09.400 right. Did you just get your license? Yeah. That's 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.259 why. I see. But no, that's totally exciting. 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:15.339 Okay. Next question. What is your favorite TV 00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:19.690 show? I really like Moon Knight if you watch 00:26:19.690 --> 00:26:22.710 Marvel shows. Okay, I did watch Moon Knight. 00:26:22.789 --> 00:26:25.930 That was great. How would you rank it above, 00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:29.710 I mean, in terms of all the MCU shows? I think 00:26:29.710 --> 00:26:32.710 it's, honestly, it might be my first or second 00:26:32.710 --> 00:26:36.950 favorite. Okay. WandaVision is tied. I really 00:26:36.950 --> 00:26:39.180 liked WandaVision too. Oh my gosh, you should 00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:41.039 talk to my best friend Lauren. She loves those 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.480 two shows to death. So she is in the same boat 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.700 as you are. I'm actually not a big TV person, 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.799 but I watched Prison Break with my family a while 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:56.160 back and that was pretty good. Oh my gosh, I 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.160 feel like Prison Break is like one of those shows 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:01.660 that every high schooler watches at some point 00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:03.980 or another. I remember when I was in grade 10, 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:05.680 my friend was like, have you watched Prison Break 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.569 yet? And we watched the first episode. in like 00:27:08.569 --> 00:27:11.710 the band rehearsal room that's like a very vivid 00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:13.230 memory i only watched the first episode so i 00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:14.650 don't know anything else that happens afterwards 00:27:14.650 --> 00:27:18.109 uh but anyways moving on uh favorite movie this 00:27:18.109 --> 00:27:19.650 is kind of simple but favorite movie does anybody 00:27:19.650 --> 00:27:24.450 have a favorite movie yeah megamind okay classic 00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:28.390 yup probably the spider -man across the spider 00:27:28.390 --> 00:27:30.650 -verse movie okay that's great when's the new 00:27:30.650 --> 00:27:32.910 one coming out do you know i think next year 00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:34.769 it was supposed to come out last year but it's 00:27:34.769 --> 00:27:36.670 coming out next year yeah and maro how about 00:27:36.670 --> 00:27:42.480 you I really love Coraline. Oh, classic. Love 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.180 it. And probably the Spider -Man movies as well. 00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:48.160 Just all of them. Do you have a favorite Spider 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.680 -Man? I really like Andrew Garfield's Spider 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.279 -Man. Okay. Yep. Yep. Okay. I see that. Yep. 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.619 I agree. I like him too. All right. Okay. This 00:28:00.619 --> 00:28:02.359 is another question for you. What is your favorite 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:04.200 high school class and why is it law? I'm just 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.599 kidding. You don't have to tell me that. What 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.339 are you all planning to do for your undergrad 00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:10.880 if you're going to undergrad or if you're going 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.000 to college? So what are your post -secondary 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:17.220 plans at this point? So my dream is definitely 00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.579 Bachelor of Health Sciences at McMaster because 00:28:19.579 --> 00:28:22.240 I really want to go into medicine. Right. Yeah. 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.440 I, for my undergrad, it will probably do something 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.660 relating to legal studies, either here at Waterloo, 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:34.039 which is near where I live, or I actually would 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.019 love to study in the UK at Manchester. That's 00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:41.480 cool. Yeah. As for other classes, I really love 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.819 music. So I love my music. Oh my gosh, I was 00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:46.279 a music person too. Yes. What instrument did 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:48.519 you play? I played the clarinet. What do you 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.430 play? I play the viola and I play violin. Whoa. 00:28:52.549 --> 00:28:55.430 Oh my gosh. You're a strings person. Okay. That's 00:28:55.430 --> 00:28:59.029 great. We love that. We respect that. I am going 00:28:59.029 --> 00:29:02.630 back and forth between criminology and forensic 00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:05.710 psychology. I haven't accepted either one yet 00:29:05.710 --> 00:29:08.349 just because I'm not sure, but I'm leaning towards 00:29:08.349 --> 00:29:14.390 criminology at Ontario Tech. Oh, that's very 00:29:14.390 --> 00:29:17.140 cool. Well, thank you so much, everybody, for 00:29:17.140 --> 00:29:18.920 joining me here today. I think we had a lot of 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.039 fun talking about your interests, but also about 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.220 your essays and why law, high school law class 00:29:24.220 --> 00:29:27.079 is important. Before we end up, does anybody 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.640 have any other things that they want to say to 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.180 anyone who might be hesitant about learning about 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:35.299 the law? You should definitely take it. Honestly, 00:29:35.539 --> 00:29:38.420 if like you're wondering whether you should take 00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:41.460 grade 11 law or not, just take it. Worst case 00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:44.059 scenario, you can drop the course, but at least 00:29:44.059 --> 00:29:47.109 give it a shot. Oh, yeah, I totally agree. I 00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:50.750 think anyone should give it a chance and find 00:29:50.750 --> 00:29:52.710 that it's actually a subject worth trying out, 00:29:52.730 --> 00:29:55.269 even if you don't pursue it. It's honestly a 00:29:55.269 --> 00:29:58.190 really fun class and a really interesting subject. 00:29:58.230 --> 00:30:01.609 So if you're unsure, go for it. I bet that if 00:30:01.609 --> 00:30:03.430 you're interested in it at all, you're going 00:30:03.430 --> 00:30:05.950 to have a blast. Yeah, for sure. Because no one 00:30:05.950 --> 00:30:07.910 in my law class actually hated law. Everyone 00:30:07.910 --> 00:30:10.470 had so much fun, especially the debate and the 00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:11.750 mock trials. They're the best part. You're going 00:30:11.750 --> 00:30:14.809 to love law. See, that's so amazing. Well, thank 00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:16.630 you everybody for joining me here today. I think 00:30:16.630 --> 00:30:18.390 we had a great time. Thank you so much for sharing 00:30:18.390 --> 00:30:20.990 your stories and your passions and your interests. 00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.470 I think other students who might be listening 00:30:23.470 --> 00:30:25.430 to this show might be more inclined to think 00:30:25.430 --> 00:30:27.230 about a career in law or taking a high school 00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:29.569 law class. So thank you so much for joining. 00:30:29.769 --> 00:30:32.490 And yay, I really liked this. It was great. Thank 00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:36.430 you so much for having us. Yeah, thank you. 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