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hello ladies and gentlemen this is the pull bag

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and you're hearing the sound of my voice before

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this episode of the pull bag because in episode

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579 i tfg and mike forgot to say or maybe i did

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say but didn't really acknowledge it but we recorded

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this one day before mine and joe's 12th anniversary

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of when we started doing turtles coverage January

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22nd, 2014 is when we released our first IDW

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Publishing TMNT comic book episode here inside

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the pull bag. So literally it's been 12 years

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ago today as you're listening to this, January

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22nd, 2026, because I'm going to edit this and

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publish it as soon as I possibly can. Hopefully

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it will air on January 22nd, 2026. But it was

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recorded January 21st, 2026. If that makes any

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sense. And yes, I know I'm talking super, super

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fast because it is early in the morning and I'm

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trying to get it all out. I'm getting all of

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this out all at once and I'm in the middle of

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eating my own breakfast and everything else and

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all that. And hope everyone has an excellent

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day, an excellent week, and hope everyone has

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a happy new year here in 2026. Right now, The

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Pull Bag, episode 579. The Armageddon Game from

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the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. This is Opening

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Moves. Up next here, Inside the Pull Bag, only

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on the Geekcast Radio Network. Tonight I dine

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on turtle soup. Hi, this is Bobby Kernow, and

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you are going to have a shell of a good time

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inside the pull bag. Hey, this is Tom Waltz,

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IEW's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle writer, and

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you have jumped inside the pool bag. Well, ladies

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and gentlemen, it's 2026. Holy crap. And we only

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released nine episodes last year for multiple

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reasons. Number one, I had surgery in August.

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For those of you who don't know, I believe I

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released the last episode. Episode 578 was an

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interview with my buddy Tom Zoller. Comic writer

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and artist is illustrator Tom Zahler. That was

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the last episode that we did. That was August

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of something last year. I forget the actual date.

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But that was the last episode that I was able

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to do before I went in for On Our Nerve and Crippled

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Tunnel. surgery on my left arm. For those that

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don't know, I'm TFG1 Mike, and I have cerebral

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palsy on my right arm. So, yay, I was Mr. No

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-Arm for about three or four months. I'm still

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kind of Mr. No -Arm now. Now, as you can hear,

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the return, finally! After whatever the... How

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do you lose your freaking comics, dude? I put

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them in, like, three different places in the

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house when I get them home, and then... Look

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at the big pile of things I haven't read and

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go. But no, I had we had friends over for New

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Year's and then again a couple of nights ago

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and art art dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I came

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over and said, so what about these comics? Like,

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oh, dude, I forgot. Sweet. And all of my Ninja

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Turtle comics are in order now. What kind of

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order? Who knows? But I was able to... We're

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going to find out, because we've got to get to

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the end of this run. Yes, I have to. And then

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we've got to start the new run. I'm told that

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I haven't finished this, and hopefully this will

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get me going again. Well, that's the point. And

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originally, folks, I was going to do something

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so huge and so stupendously stupid, I was going

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to put all of Armageddon Game into one podcast.

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We're not doing that. I was going to edit it

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into one long, awe -inspiring episode, and I

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ain't doing that. This is episode 579. This is

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part one of Armageddon Game. This is opening

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moves. Episode 580 will be part two, which will

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be the overall story for Armageddon Game. And

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then episode 581 will be part three, which will

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be the alliance or aftermath or whatever it is.

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I think it's Armageddon Alliance. So three episodes

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for Armageddon Game. And then we will be getting

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back to TMNT Reborn with Volume 8, Damage Done,

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or Do Damage, Damage Done, Go Red Sox, all that

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good stuff. And then Volume 9, First, Last, and

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Always, or First, Last, Always, whatever it is

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on the trade there. But yeah, Armageddon Game,

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this is the... Going into this, even before we

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had all the delays last year, this was the story

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I was least looking... This is a... You know

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how sometimes... I forget which movie it was,

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but there was a movie where somebody was tired

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of somebody speeding in their neighborhood, and

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they just kept making the speed bump bigger and

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bigger and bigger? I forget if it was a movie

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or a TV show. Somebody out there is going to

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know. I don't remember off the top of my head

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what it was. And, oh, I forgot to say, folks,

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Mr. Joe Reed is back. Hello, sir. How are you?

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I'm good. I forgot you didn't say that. Yeah,

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I didn't say that. This is so far out of practice.

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This is what happens when you only release nine

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episodes in a 52 -week year. That's a lot of

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comics you got to go back and read. Well, that's

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what we're doing now. So. So, yeah. Yeah, I was

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like, oh, OK, we're doing reborn volume one,

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two, three, four, five, six, seven. Oh, wait.

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Armageddon game. We should do that. Right. What

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is Armageddon? Oh, for flubbers sake. It's the

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thing is an insane crossover. And yeah, I feel

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like we're going to discover things when we get

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into the main. like the books want to be in the

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middle of it. I have no idea, but I mean, I think

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this is probably why I stopped reading it or

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started to hesitate reading it because the reading

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order was just kind of crazy. Yeah. So this is

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why, this is why I always have them in trade

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now and I don't do single issue. Like I understood,

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and we've known this for the last 2014 to 2026.

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10, 12 years that you and I have been doing these

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comics since we started January of 2014 that

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we did this. We've known this about you since

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day one. You have to read the single issue as

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soon as it comes out. And I understand that and

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I respect it. But for me, it's like for organizational

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purposes, IDW has always done the greatest thing

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with their trades. They put them in. the story

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order the way they want you to follow the story.

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Yeah, for sure. That's why I've always championed

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the IDW TMNT trade paperbacks. And that's why

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I always will. But I, unlike you, as far as like

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the story order of it all for me, I'm not a fan

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of the Pantheon stuff because not anything against

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Kitsune or. toad boy toad baron i almost said

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toad boy toad baron or any of the other pantheon

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family members i'm not a fan of rat king i don't

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care i even in this even when we're gonna get

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to this but even in this i yeah the chaos for

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the sake of chaos is uh not very fun for me i

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think and he's a very chaotic villain and yeah

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i just gross yeah plus you know i go back to

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what indy said about his dad he never made it

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past the rats like that's that's me i never made

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it i never made it past the snakes i never made

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it past the rats so Armageddon game. The trade

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paperback collects Kingdom of Rats Prelude. The

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story was done by Bobby Kernow. Yay, Bobby! Art

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done by Pablo Tunica. Letters done by Sean Lee.

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TMNT number 84. Is that our book? That is our

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book. That's right. Look, folks. We're a little

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rusty here. They're pulling a little short story

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out of 84. Yeah, 84. Story by Eastman, Kernow,

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and Waltz. Strip done by Waltz. Art done by Dave

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Wachter. With colors by Rhonda Pattison. Yay,

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Rhonda! Letters by Sean Lee. Annual 2020. Story

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by Tom Waltz. Art by Adam Gorham. I hope I pronounced

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that correctly, Adam. Colors by John Rausch and

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Michael Garland. Letters done by Sean Lee. Sean

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Lee's on all the letters, folks. Sean does all

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the letters. Annual 2021. Story by Tom. Pencils

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by Casey Maloney. Inks by... Maria Keene. Colors

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by Luis Antonio Delgado. Another IDW staple for

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the colors. Yay. And then opening moves. One

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and two. Tom Waltz on the story. Pharaoh Pei

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on the art. Colors by Rhonda. Yay. And letters

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by Sean. So that's what's here. And that's what

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we are here to discuss this evening. Oh, boy.

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Kingdom of Rats Prelude. I listened to our first

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5, 10, 15 minutes of episode, whatever episode

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it was. I forget the number. But when we did

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episode 81 to 85, issues 81 to 85 in the old

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episode, and I'll link that old episode, but

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even listening back to that after reading this

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one part of the story, I'm like, I still don't

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remember this shit. The reason I didn't remember

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this Kingdom of Rats Prelude is because it showed

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up at the end of Ninja Turtles Universe number

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19, which had a completely different story in

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the beginning where Raphael and Alopex are raiding

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Null's land. But there's these couple of pages

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here, beautifully drawn, creepily drawn. Creepily

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drawn, yes. Yeah, so this is basically Rat King

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just setting everything up for himself for that

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story, the Kingdom of Rats story, 81 to 85 of

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TMNT. And it's been years, folks, and we will.

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Since the run is concluded for the main story,

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we will be going back and doing other TMNT books

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that IDW has done, including Universe. We never

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have covered Universe. That was by design because

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we were so engrossed in the main story. I didn't

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want us to get distracted on anything else. We've

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done some crossovers here and there when it seemed

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fit and it wasn't too distracting away from the

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main story. Yeah, universe is kind of like, what

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were those two characters doing when they went

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this way and you went that way? Yeah, exactly.

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But that was a good issue. I read that part anyway,

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just in case. Rat King is establishing his new

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base, talking to his rats in creepy ways. At

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least he didn't eat any of them this time. But

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I think he will later. The last page of that.

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He is seeing New York City in ruins like as a

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premonition. This? Or something. Yeah. Yeah.

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This is where he decides to start making things

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happen toward that premonition. And this is way

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back in 2018. Yeah. When that particular book

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was published. Yeah. So long ago. So long ago.

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Yeah, because we published that episode in 2019.

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So the next part of the story opens up with the

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turtles and Rat King on some sort of scaffolding

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and the Rat King is holding up some child. Oh

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boy. Yeah, it begins this way. We're kind of

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in the middle of a story when they're hitting

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this kind of flashback. to Armageddon games starting,

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and I think these were Splinter's kids. Yes.

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The Foot Clan kids that he had lured out of the

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place, and he's threatening to kill them, and

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the turtles are trying to stop him. Yeah, is

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it Splinter's kids, or are these the kids that...

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No, these are Rat King's kids that he manipulates.

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The turtles save them, I think. The turtles save...

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They get brought back to splinter. Yes. Cause

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I nearly gorged my eyes out with tears when they

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came back. I think if I have this right, fast

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forwarding a little bit here, folks. Yes. Yeah.

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Because at the end here, I think at the end,

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yes, yes. Cause he bring, yeah, they, yeah, that's

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what it is. So. Yeah, in the beginning here,

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these are the children they are trying to save

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from the Rat King because he is trying to bring

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them over to his side. He is messing with their

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minds and whatever else. Piper trying to walk

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them off the cliff. Yeah. And then he sicks them

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on the turtles. With mind control and the rats.

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And so the turtles don't want to fight these

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kids. No, they don't want to fight these kids.

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Meanwhile, Mr. Mouser, because we can't call

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him Mr. Mayor yet because that hasn't happened

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yet. As of this, he's still Professor Inventor

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Creepy Moron Baxter Stockman. Oh, whatever. Dexter

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Boinkman. Yeah, there you go. That's an inside

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joke in our family, too, whenever that character

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is mentioned. Yep, yep. You mean Bat and Stockboy?

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Bat and Stockboy? That's right, that's right.

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Flyborg, Flyborg. Yeah, this was 2018 as well.

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Wow, yeah, man. Rat King's been at this for a

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while. Yes, he has. So what is, yeah, I... What

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is Baxter up to? So Baxter is manufacturing the

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mousers. Oh yeah. Baxter's plan is to eradicate

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the city's rat problem. So that way he can get

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more power because he wants to eventually the,

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from what I remember going and we'll go through

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it obviously. But what I remember from just having

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read this again today is that this leads him

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to declare his intentions to become. mayor but

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that's what gets him there to do it is that he

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invents the mousers to get rid of all the rats

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and they get rid of all the rats very violently

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which I'm not saying that because I have a problem

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with the violence I'm just stating a fact that

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the mousers they kind of violent so I hate to

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clean those things out after a hunt yep I love

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the exchange here between Raph and Mikey. You

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got him secure, Mikey? Yeah, he's safe now. Good.

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Can't say the same thing for Rat Boy, though.

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No. And then we have this whole thing and man,

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I, as much as I'm not a fan of the rat King,

00:16:37.570 --> 00:16:43.769
just because I do love all of the interactions

00:16:43.769 --> 00:16:47.230
between the turtles and, and him. And I love

00:16:47.230 --> 00:16:52.009
that Leo is trying to outsmart him because he's

00:16:52.009 --> 00:16:53.909
like, why are you going all the way up there?

00:16:53.990 --> 00:16:56.409
What are you doing? Trying to get the high ground

00:16:56.409 --> 00:17:01.070
for whatever else. Oh, man. Look at this. This

00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:03.289
reminds you of anything? Oh, yeah. Even though

00:17:03.289 --> 00:17:06.309
the fact that it's creepy as hell? Hmm. Target

00:17:06.309 --> 00:17:09.490
Mouser. Kill number one. Literally, I'm like,

00:17:09.549 --> 00:17:13.289
ooh, that reminds me of an old cover. Target.

00:17:13.349 --> 00:17:18.730
I love those red covers. Yep, yep, yep. Absolutely.

00:17:20.470 --> 00:17:23.750
Wow, that was fast and extremely disgusting.

00:17:25.320 --> 00:17:27.619
Don't get squeamish on me now, Miss O 'Neill.

00:17:27.779 --> 00:17:31.039
This was your plan. And he explains to her how

00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.700
his Flyborgs... Does he call them Flyborgs? He

00:17:34.700 --> 00:17:41.420
does. Oh, wow. He does. Damn. The only other

00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:45.000
place that I've heard of the term Flyborg is

00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:50.779
in Phineas and Ferb. Uh -huh. In Phineas and

00:17:50.779 --> 00:17:56.220
Ferb, across the second dimension. Because the

00:17:56.220 --> 00:17:58.859
evil Doofenshmirtz in the second dimension has

00:17:58.859 --> 00:18:04.960
Flyborgs that he uses. But yeah, so that's what's

00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.819
going on here. My machines are functioning as

00:18:07.819 --> 00:18:11.819
designed. No surprise there. Which just means

00:18:11.819 --> 00:18:16.200
it's a matter of time. Dun, dun, dun. Leo up

00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.259
here gets his high ground so that he can attack

00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:22.480
Rat King psychically. He goes meditating. Yeah,

00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.980
it goes into the astral plane. I was wondering

00:18:24.980 --> 00:18:29.380
why it went from outside the docks looking thing

00:18:29.380 --> 00:18:33.460
to a really bad... Well, I was going to say a

00:18:33.460 --> 00:18:36.279
really bad nightclub that looks like it would

00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:45.240
be in a John Wick movie. But he and Leo and Rat

00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.859
King have a battle of wits in the astral plane.

00:18:51.150 --> 00:18:53.849
The other turtles think that they can attack

00:18:53.849 --> 00:19:00.950
Rat King in the real world. That's not so easy

00:19:00.950 --> 00:19:03.910
to do since the Rat King is the master of the

00:19:03.910 --> 00:19:10.430
real world and the astral plane. He's in there

00:19:10.430 --> 00:19:15.950
multitasking. Yes, he is. My god, the colors.

00:19:15.990 --> 00:19:25.359
The colors. And just the visualizations of this

00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:30.460
page, the page where, does not happen by accident.

00:19:30.539 --> 00:19:35.420
You wish to stop me to save those pathetic urchins?

00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.539
Dave Wachter has grown on me for a long time.

00:19:40.740 --> 00:19:44.240
Oh, yeah, but yeah. I do enjoy this. Like, look

00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:49.039
at his design on Leo. Like, man, just. This image

00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.240
alone, I know it wasn't knocked out or whatever,

00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:55.779
but just the way he's designed him. Yeah, drawn

00:19:55.779 --> 00:20:01.000
real small. Well, yeah, but I'm saying... It's

00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:02.480
hard to get the pen to do what you want to do

00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.400
with that tiny, tiny scale. That's very true.

00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.559
But it's so good, and it's done so well. And

00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:13.640
the writing's just there, and you get the scenes

00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:20.230
mixing with each other. You get Leo and the Rat

00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:23.609
King, and Leo's coming back, and they're fighting

00:20:23.609 --> 00:20:25.150
each other, and you got the turtles fighting

00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:30.309
the Rat King's body. Yeah, I like how the Rat

00:20:30.309 --> 00:20:32.089
King is fighting them in the real world with

00:20:32.089 --> 00:20:35.730
absolutely no expression, because he's not there.

00:20:36.190 --> 00:20:39.549
He's not there, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. Absolutely.

00:20:40.069 --> 00:20:45.019
And then just... Wow. And then you get Flyborg,

00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:50.200
and Flyborg comes in, and oh boy, you get astral

00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:54.039
plane projection, and this is creepy as hell.

00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:58.460
He looks like a vampire here. How's this? It's

00:20:58.460 --> 00:21:01.880
just all so good. But the mousers invade. Baxter,

00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:04.880
the mousers distract. The mice, or the rats,

00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:09.299
rather, taking care of them. In the astral plane,

00:21:09.380 --> 00:21:13.599
Leo scores a big hit. The Rat King, which wakes

00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:17.400
both of them up right before Rat King gets socked

00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:24.920
in the mouth. Yep. You got punched right in the

00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:33.440
mouth. How's that? What? What? Huh? Who? Where?

00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:38.950
Why? And the flyborgs and the mousers determine

00:21:38.950 --> 00:21:42.569
little monstrosities, aren't you? And he just

00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:45.730
jumps right off the edge of the building. Oh,

00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:51.609
boy. Smell you later. Smell you later. Hey, you.

00:21:53.869 --> 00:22:00.670
But all's well that ends well. The turtles save

00:22:00.670 --> 00:22:04.710
the day. The children are saved. I love this,

00:22:04.809 --> 00:22:09.349
though. Because this is like one of those running

00:22:09.349 --> 00:22:12.609
TV gags to me. So you go down to the very bottom.

00:22:12.670 --> 00:22:17.640
So you get. Is something I picked up like mentally

00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.500
snared mammoth, yada, yada, yada. Final page.

00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:26.359
I think, dudes, I think I know. So you see Mikey

00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.640
looking at the kids like, what are we going to

00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.359
do with them? Well, dudes, I think I know. And

00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.039
then all of a sudden, mouse are chasing rat.

00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:36.380
One last rat to go. And I'm like, that's a TV

00:22:36.380 --> 00:22:40.019
run through right there. That's like Urkel running

00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:42.819
through the camera to chasing something or whatever,

00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.339
whatever. I'm like, oh my god, I laughed so hard

00:22:46.339 --> 00:22:50.460
at that when I read this. And this is where we

00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:54.900
get the emotion down of Mike, because damn, I

00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:59.240
was not expecting this. Not expecting this at

00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.099
all. This is an epilogue that I was not expecting.

00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:09.119
We need your help. And then obviously Baxter

00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:15.490
makes his thing known that he wants to run for

00:23:15.490 --> 00:23:20.509
mayor so far like the opening moves opening whatever

00:23:20.509 --> 00:23:25.289
armageddon game so far it's okay yeah even with

00:23:25.289 --> 00:23:29.089
the rat king like going back and getting the

00:23:29.089 --> 00:23:32.750
context of what i know is happening now compared

00:23:32.750 --> 00:23:36.089
to these books that we read back in 2019 uh it's

00:23:36.089 --> 00:23:38.509
interesting to see that yeah the this is where

00:23:38.509 --> 00:23:41.029
it started this is where they were kind of starting

00:23:41.029 --> 00:23:44.009
to put the seeds for an event maybe they didn't

00:23:44.009 --> 00:23:45.750
know what it was going to be but they knew that

00:23:45.750 --> 00:23:49.670
the rat king was maneuvering and like i said

00:23:49.670 --> 00:23:53.269
even though i don't care for the character overall

00:23:53.269 --> 00:23:59.670
even later he gets we're gonna get there but

00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.309
when he talks to all his siblings like the turn

00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:06.759
like When I hear, oh, it's a Rat King story,

00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:08.579
I'm like, oh, great. It's going to be the same

00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:11.420
thing every time. Let's get the family back together.

00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:13.859
Let's get the game going again. I want to play

00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:15.619
the game. I want to have, like we've already

00:24:15.619 --> 00:24:17.980
said already, I want to have the chaos. I want

00:24:17.980 --> 00:24:19.759
to have the this. I want to have the that. This

00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:25.160
threw me for a loop because of what happens and

00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:29.259
how. But unfortunately, because of what happens,

00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:34.480
he has to pivot. Pivot! Oh, God. Don't get me

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:42.039
started. And yeah, so we... This is something

00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:46.359
I was not expecting. I was not... I did not remember

00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:50.000
this. I did not remember... I remember Frank

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.000
discovering the body of Leatherhead and inhabiting

00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.859
him. But I don't remember where that happened.

00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:03.329
Yeah, I... Folks... Like I said, we are very

00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:06.970
rusty, and we have not gone back to do super

00:25:06.970 --> 00:25:11.009
deep dive research. You're getting our real raw

00:25:11.009 --> 00:25:13.910
reading reactions. Research? You mean we read

00:25:13.910 --> 00:25:17.230
everything from issue 80 on? Yeah, I know, right?

00:25:18.930 --> 00:25:23.109
No. Even if we were to go back and listen to

00:25:23.109 --> 00:25:26.150
all the podcasts from 80 to now, that's still

00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:29.299
thousands of hours of audio. Yeah, it'd take

00:25:29.299 --> 00:25:32.240
me less time to reread it. I know. I already

00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.539
did that when I edited the podcast. Yeah, exactly.

00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:38.039
I already did it when I edited the podcast. So

00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.160
we start this one where Shredder's still in hell,

00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.640
I'm assuming. Or he's somewhere. Because that's

00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:50.000
the devil, clearly. Yep. Okay. So this is coming

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.119
out of the annual 2020. Yeah, this is annual

00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.339
2020. Okay, cool, cool, cool. And the coolest

00:25:56.339 --> 00:26:00.119
thing for me out of this, look what they have

00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:07.019
him in. Yeah, the animated colors. Not just the

00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:12.819
animated colors. Them's toy colors, man. Oh,

00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:17.759
no shirt? Yep. That's the toy. That's the freaking

00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.599
toy. I was like, oh, okay. That's that for okay.

00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:24.920
Yep, yep, yep. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah, yeah,

00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:29.000
yeah. Because every child wanted a shirtless

00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.859
shredder in the 80s. 1988, folks, you could have

00:26:32.859 --> 00:26:36.460
gone to whatever store and gotten a shirtless

00:26:36.460 --> 00:26:43.400
purple shredder for $5. You got to ask the...

00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:47.359
If you get to a con, you got to ask... Kevin

00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.380
East saw how they arrived at that action figure

00:26:50.380 --> 00:26:53.660
because that was a whole bunch of people at the

00:26:53.660 --> 00:26:57.819
toy company not understanding the drawings. Yeah.

00:26:59.180 --> 00:27:03.680
Oh, that's the other... Is it... Who is it? Yeah.

00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.180
Playmates no longer has it? Oh, yeah. I just

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:13.839
heard that news recently. Yeah, yeah. I don't

00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:18.640
know. I mean, what? McFarlane Toys has a license

00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.960
now, but they're making the high -end figures

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.619
or the medium -end figures. I don't know who's

00:27:23.619 --> 00:27:28.539
going to be doing the Mutant Mayhem toys. That's

00:27:28.539 --> 00:27:34.660
crazy. Crazy, crazy. Hasbro? I hope not. Oh,

00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:41.000
God. If Hasbro had... That would be everything

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.259
is a super monopoly now. Like everybody has everything

00:27:44.259 --> 00:27:46.900
or one company has everything for everything

00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:49.799
these days kind of things. But Hasbro already

00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.480
has Star Wars, G .I. Joe, Transformers, Polly

00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:55.900
Pocket, Polly this, Polly that, whatever, whatever,

00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.839
whatever. They have so many things. I couldn't

00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.779
even imagine if Hasbro got Turtles. Oh, God.

00:28:02.859 --> 00:28:05.240
If they do, if they get Turtles, that's going

00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.130
to soften up. And we're going to get a whole

00:28:07.130 --> 00:28:09.329
bunch of Transformers crossovers and G .I. Joe

00:28:09.329 --> 00:28:12.069
crossovers. Too many crossovers. No more Turtles.

00:28:12.369 --> 00:28:15.210
Yeah, no more Turtles. No more crossovers. No

00:28:15.210 --> 00:28:20.569
more. And we see that... I almost said Yoshi.

00:28:20.809 --> 00:28:25.569
Wow. For two seconds, I thought that was not

00:28:25.569 --> 00:28:34.450
who it is. But we get Saki and Kitsune. And then...

00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.579
And then Rat King shows up and he's there to

00:28:40.579 --> 00:28:43.440
see his sister because he's there to recruit

00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.400
her. And he and Saki have a conversation, which

00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.619
I love this. I loved all of this. I thought this

00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.900
was, this is, this is cool. This is great. And

00:28:52.900 --> 00:28:54.839
this is what's so great about this story because

00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.400
Rat King is looking for players for his game.

00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.839
He wants Kitsune, even though Kitsune failed

00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:07.000
him last time. He wants to see if... That's the

00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.539
whole point of this. That's the whole point of

00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:10.200
opening moves. That's the whole point of the

00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.240
annuals and whatever. He wants to see who's going

00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.400
to play the Pantheon game. The Armageddon game,

00:29:18.579 --> 00:29:22.180
whatever you want to call it now. Spoilers, folks.

00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:26.000
Nobody wants to play. Oh gosh, what's the line?

00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:30.880
The only way not to lose is not to play the game?

00:29:31.059 --> 00:29:33.869
The only way to win is not to play. Yeah, the

00:29:33.869 --> 00:29:37.950
only way to win is not to play. Yep. Yep, yep,

00:29:37.950 --> 00:29:41.630
yep. But you know what? They address that in

00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:46.329
this book later. Yep. They do. But I just...

00:29:46.329 --> 00:29:54.289
Ah, what the... Wait a minute. Oh. Uh... Yes,

00:29:54.289 --> 00:29:58.470
by this point... Oh, God, yeah! And Shredder's

00:29:58.470 --> 00:30:02.069
moving toward the good side here. Right. Yeah.

00:30:02.289 --> 00:30:05.450
No, no, no. Uh, cause this is a, this is after,

00:30:05.509 --> 00:30:11.170
uh, he leaves and she says, beloved, what are

00:30:11.170 --> 00:30:16.210
you contemplating? And he goes, and you see splinter

00:30:16.210 --> 00:30:20.750
and he goes, old friends, kitsune. And the next

00:30:20.750 --> 00:30:25.789
will be yours. Just. And new possibilities. Just,

00:30:25.869 --> 00:30:31.450
oh god. Just, oh god. Again, these books just

00:30:31.450 --> 00:30:37.490
always find ways to just crush your heart. And

00:30:37.490 --> 00:30:45.650
then we get to Oroku Karai. And all her stuff.

00:30:47.750 --> 00:30:53.069
Stuff. So it looks like she's this is an issue

00:30:53.069 --> 00:30:57.470
I somehow missed, never read, don't have. So

00:30:57.470 --> 00:31:00.009
I'm seeing this for the first time. But she's

00:31:00.009 --> 00:31:05.589
harvesting parts of the dragon that was partly

00:31:05.589 --> 00:31:14.349
formed in issue 100. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. So she

00:31:14.349 --> 00:31:20.549
says to all her minions It's been nearly a month

00:31:20.549 --> 00:31:23.849
since Kitsune's attack, so why am I still staring

00:31:23.849 --> 00:31:26.430
at all this destruction? I want answers now.

00:31:28.529 --> 00:31:34.190
And then he says, What do we have here, my children?

00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:39.789
I'm losing my voice. I understand your frustration,

00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:45.369
Karai, but we're fortunate to have anything left

00:31:45.369 --> 00:31:49.779
after the dragon debacle. If Stockman wasn't

00:31:49.779 --> 00:31:53.079
mayor, it's almost guaranteed we'd have government

00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.819
inspectors snooping all over this facility, which

00:31:56.819 --> 00:32:00.140
would fully expose our operation. So they have

00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:03.039
all this discussion about all that, and we eventually

00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.720
have the Rat King break into this whole thing,

00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:13.140
and we have him basically put them to sleep kind

00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:18.289
of thing, where he does his... Does his whole

00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:24.109
thing with Karai and he says to her, Not a mere

00:32:24.109 --> 00:32:26.710
knight, no, but a veritable queen in the making.

00:32:27.849 --> 00:32:30.730
And what's more dangerous, my children, than

00:32:30.730 --> 00:32:34.150
having a deadly and determined queen at your

00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:39.470
behest? You may continue. Get moving. And all

00:32:39.470 --> 00:32:42.130
her minions kept moving because he stopped them.

00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:44.970
He stopped the thing right before she could say

00:32:44.970 --> 00:32:48.720
that. And now we get to Alopex and Angel, and

00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:53.599
oh boy. He's going to try to recruit them? You

00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.599
know, he's Chaos. Yeah, he's Chaos, all right.

00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:06.099
No, he's following them to see where... No, he's

00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:09.299
following them to get to this. He's following

00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:13.680
them to get to Leatherhead and Krang. That's

00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.599
what he's doing. I do think that that is the

00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.339
coolest thing to have done to Krang. Oh, no.

00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.900
I'd like to see more of that because it's horrifying

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.559
and nasty and it makes Leatherhead even more

00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:36.799
scary. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah, it's very, very scary.

00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:45.059
And nobody's like, oh, shit. Or something to

00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:48.180
that effect. It's actually bleeped out. What's

00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:53.000
this? A monster within a monster? Two for one

00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.140
sale, pal. Tell me you're not playing with a

00:33:57.140 --> 00:34:06.960
Jose Canseco tale. And war with each other, no

00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:12.949
less. How splendid. Again, Dave Walker's art,

00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:16.769
the colors, and just, oh, man, it's so good.

00:34:17.949 --> 00:34:23.869
So, so good. Like, just the change. Like, just

00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:26.389
the change. In this entire page, you start with

00:34:26.389 --> 00:34:29.230
the dark, like, inner panel here with the what's

00:34:29.230 --> 00:34:33.989
this. You have the green and pink, green overall

00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:38.670
of Leatherhead with the little leg thing he's

00:34:38.670 --> 00:34:41.190
got, little bandages he's got. And you get the

00:34:41.190 --> 00:34:44.610
background there, and then pink of Krang, and

00:34:44.610 --> 00:34:48.690
then you get Alopex within the white, and nobody

00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:52.730
with the purple. And then down at the left -hand

00:34:52.730 --> 00:34:54.869
side of the page, he picks up a Mouser, which

00:34:54.869 --> 00:34:59.210
is a yellow background, and basically he just

00:34:59.210 --> 00:35:02.190
chucks it. Let's liven things up a little bit,

00:35:02.269 --> 00:35:07.130
shall we? Hey, he'll throw that at me. Oh, no.

00:35:07.789 --> 00:35:18.280
Yeah. Uh -huh. Intruders. Uh -oh. We're in trouble.

00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:30.000
Uh -oh. But Angel got a little electrocution

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.500
stuff on her side, though. She electrocutes the

00:35:33.500 --> 00:35:37.250
shit. It had a crying Leatherhead. Just find

00:35:37.250 --> 00:35:40.210
a way to total the damn thing while I keep the

00:35:40.210 --> 00:35:44.630
psycho twins busy. So Alopex tries to get to

00:35:44.630 --> 00:35:47.710
the van. Leatherhead's tail stops her. More fighting

00:35:47.710 --> 00:35:51.289
ensues. Krang says, I've never experienced such

00:35:51.289 --> 00:35:55.369
infuriatingly resistant host. But thanks to you,

00:35:55.449 --> 00:35:58.730
I am now in full control of the local idiot.

00:35:59.929 --> 00:36:05.969
Oh no, the elect... Oh, it knocked him out, but

00:36:05.969 --> 00:36:08.690
not Crank. Yeah, it knocked Leatherhead out,

00:36:08.710 --> 00:36:12.210
but not Crank. Oh, God, yeah. Well, now he can

00:36:12.210 --> 00:36:14.349
do whatever he wants to do, and what he wants

00:36:14.349 --> 00:36:17.769
to do is make contact with the other U -Troms,

00:36:17.769 --> 00:36:19.730
because that's all he has ever wanted to do.

00:36:20.530 --> 00:36:23.650
Jamming remains active. You weren't able to disrupt

00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:29.239
that. It ain't reptile, which means I'm still

00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.139
invisible to my prying enemy eyes. And then they

00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:38.059
threw a... She shot... One of them threw something

00:36:38.059 --> 00:36:43.059
at the thing. And we get more electrocution soon

00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:46.300
here. And then Alopex does her thing with the

00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:50.559
computer. Man, so much electrocution. I love

00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:55.179
this. Where, where, where? There. You're a regular

00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:59.159
riot, Libby. Break glass. Push button. Run. Bye

00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:08.920
-bye. Man. And then, yeah, they do all that and

00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:16.360
get down. How absolutely beautiful. Rat King

00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.559
just stands there. And Leatherhead's like, er,

00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.260
Krang's like, uh, no, I need to get back in there.

00:37:25.579 --> 00:37:29.019
Stop, you fool, you'll burn us both. And then,

00:37:29.019 --> 00:37:32.440
uh, Rat King puts an all -stop to it. I won't

00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.360
have all the delicious mayhem this motley group

00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:39.219
provides snuffed out so soon. Like these two,

00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.639
Biological Warrior and her furry mutant sidekick.

00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.780
How absolutely thrilling. Truly, ladies, it's

00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:53.900
been a joy to watch you both in action. Simply

00:37:53.900 --> 00:37:57.800
leave here with the pride of a mission successfully

00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:04.559
accomplished. Really, really sore for some reason.

00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.519
Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. Yeah. Crazy

00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:14.079
mind control. I hate that shit. Absolutely hate

00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.800
that shit. But here's where it gets even stranger.

00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.960
Speaking of weird, you are bizarre, and most

00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.820
tumultuous sense of the word, my friends, two

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:28.679
oddities for the price of one. So many chaotic

00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:33.340
possibilities. So no, there will be no murder

00:38:33.340 --> 00:38:38.579
-suicide today, no martyrs. I will put those

00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:42.219
thoughts out of one's obstinate mind, and memories

00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:47.860
of today's battle will be lost to you both. Come

00:38:47.860 --> 00:38:51.800
with me, my pets, until we again enjoy the amusement

00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.559
of these two offers. But for now, we must bid

00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:01.719
them adieu. Wow. Oh boy, this comic. So Leatherhead

00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.960
and Krang wake up. Who, where, what, what the

00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:11.239
hell have you done? You idiot! You brought us

00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.730
here through this... But you soared just to steal

00:39:14.730 --> 00:39:17.170
this opportunity to reunite with my people away

00:39:17.170 --> 00:39:21.030
from me. He thinks Leatherhead is the problem.

00:39:21.349 --> 00:39:28.409
Oh, boy. The end. Gotta love Leatherhead. I love

00:39:28.409 --> 00:39:30.349
that because of the alternate cover by Kevin

00:39:30.349 --> 00:39:33.429
Eastman, though. That's a good Leatherhead cover

00:39:33.429 --> 00:39:37.050
with the city as a backdrop. That's a good one.

00:39:38.429 --> 00:39:45.679
Oh, boy. This is Casey Maloney and Maria Keene,

00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.340
Louis Antonio Delgado for the cover here. You

00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:53.980
got the turtles all in the front. You got Leatherhead

00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:58.000
Rat King and all the Pantheon people in the background

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.920
on the chessboard. And I'm assuming this is opening

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.039
moves? This is the annual 2021. Oh, this is annual

00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:11.909
2021. Okay. Wow. Annual 2021 has... Wow. Okay.

00:40:13.969 --> 00:40:16.630
So this is where we really kind of get going

00:40:16.630 --> 00:40:20.110
with the setup. I love this page here where he's

00:40:20.110 --> 00:40:22.309
kind of recapping. And this is the cool thing

00:40:22.309 --> 00:40:25.150
about the annuals, folks. If you haven't kept

00:40:25.150 --> 00:40:28.110
up with some of the stuff, the annuals are a

00:40:28.110 --> 00:40:32.730
good way to get a refresher course. But you still

00:40:32.730 --> 00:40:35.789
should read this series from issue 1 to issue

00:40:35.789 --> 00:40:39.960
150. Yeah, the annuals and the free comic book

00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.619
days are great places to jump on and start reading.

00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:45.360
If you don't feel like going back in time and

00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.539
reading everything, good place to start. Yeah,

00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.960
absolutely. And we have this big giant recap

00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.320
page of all of the siblings for the Pantheon

00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.039
and where everyone's been. And this is where

00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.780
he starts going to all of his siblings and the

00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:06.920
various ways and things. And this is my favorite

00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.860
page of this entire trade right here. This is

00:41:11.860 --> 00:41:15.300
so frigging cool. This is awesome. We're making

00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:19.019
a, a poster out of that. Uh, they should make

00:41:19.019 --> 00:41:21.000
a, I don't know why they didn't make a poster

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:25.880
out of this. This is so cool. So this page here,

00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.139
folks, so the previous page to this is. As I

00:41:29.139 --> 00:41:33.840
said, it's Rat King says, my sister Kitsune particularly

00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:39.239
has been a rather aggressive run -up until recently.

00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:45.539
He talks about the dragon. He talks about all

00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:48.099
this and everything else. And then this giant

00:41:48.099 --> 00:41:52.619
poster at the top of it, it says, do I really

00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:55.639
have to spell it out for you? Oh, because at

00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:57.699
the bottom of the previous page here, he says,

00:41:59.230 --> 00:42:02.170
You see, the source of my sister's failure, nay,

00:42:02.309 --> 00:42:04.849
the source of all of my siblings' recent failures,

00:42:04.949 --> 00:42:08.949
as well as many of your own, is annoying as a

00:42:08.949 --> 00:42:13.250
assembly of antagonists shared by us all. And

00:42:13.250 --> 00:42:14.710
then that's where he says, do I really have to

00:42:14.710 --> 00:42:16.949
spell it out for you? So in this annual, he is

00:42:16.949 --> 00:42:19.969
actually talking to an audience that we can't

00:42:19.969 --> 00:42:24.949
see. So he is sitting somewhere talking to somebody

00:42:24.949 --> 00:42:27.250
somewhere that we don't know who he's talking

00:42:27.250 --> 00:42:30.750
to. And we get this poster. So starting at the

00:42:30.750 --> 00:42:35.510
top left there, you get Casey's dad, Alopex,

00:42:35.670 --> 00:42:42.309
Casey himself, Angel as nobody. You get Splinter,

00:42:42.409 --> 00:42:52.869
Shredder, April, Kitsune Karai, Jenica, all the

00:42:52.869 --> 00:42:59.429
turtles. Mondo Gecko. Mondo Gecko. Can't believe

00:42:59.429 --> 00:43:02.670
I forgot Mondo. All the humans. Wait, who the

00:43:02.670 --> 00:43:07.010
hell are these guys? Woody. Okay, that's Woody.

00:43:07.550 --> 00:43:10.449
Who's this? I don't recognize who those two are.

00:43:10.869 --> 00:43:14.670
Yeah, that's Harold. Those are April's parents.

00:43:14.869 --> 00:43:20.590
Okay. And then there's Pete. Good old Pete. Herman.

00:43:21.449 --> 00:43:25.530
There's Fugitoid and Hob and Man Ray and there's

00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:32.289
Harold. There's Libby. There's Mr. Alien Dude,

00:43:32.469 --> 00:43:37.550
whatever his name is. Donnie and Leo. Bebop and

00:43:37.550 --> 00:43:41.969
Rocksteady. Wait, where's Rocksteady? Slash.

00:43:41.969 --> 00:43:51.570
Slash Dude. Raph and Pepperoni and Koya. I saw

00:43:51.570 --> 00:43:54.929
my first Pepperoni toy today. And you didn't

00:43:54.929 --> 00:43:59.550
buy it? Well, it's a pre -order, but the McFarlane

00:43:59.550 --> 00:44:04.489
Raphael, I think, comes with pepperoni. Oh, nice.

00:44:04.750 --> 00:44:07.610
That's so cool. Yeah, so that's a nice little

00:44:07.610 --> 00:44:13.369
big ol' splash page poster -like thing. So, yeah.

00:44:13.489 --> 00:44:19.570
So he's going to Splinter. He's going to Shredder

00:44:19.570 --> 00:44:25.210
and Kitsune. he's going to everybody he can think

00:44:25.210 --> 00:44:29.250
of to go to. And then he starts going to his

00:44:29.250 --> 00:44:40.090
siblings. And this is where I do what I don't

00:44:40.090 --> 00:44:45.309
feel bad for him. All of his siblings tell him

00:44:45.309 --> 00:44:49.530
no. I don't have time for your games. I don't

00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:51.650
have time for this anymore. Like, I'm doing my

00:44:51.650 --> 00:44:55.730
own thing. Like, the whole cat lady thing here.

00:44:55.949 --> 00:44:58.230
I'm like, yeah, okay, you got your own war. And

00:44:58.230 --> 00:45:01.329
then we get to this. Oh, my God. Not this. Not

00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:05.750
this. Not this page. We get to this. And I was

00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:09.349
like, oh, what the? Oh, right. It's going to

00:45:09.349 --> 00:45:12.690
be kickball. Because I knew as soon as he held

00:45:12.690 --> 00:45:15.010
the head in his hand, I'm like, you know, I always

00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:17.860
preferred a good. I knew he was going to say

00:45:17.860 --> 00:45:20.760
kick. And then I knew it was going to be like

00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.300
an Alice in Wonderland -like thing. And then

00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:25.420
I'm like, oh, right, the Toad Baron. Because

00:45:25.420 --> 00:45:27.300
the Toad Baron kind of reminds me of the Queen

00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:30.239
of Hearts. Like some Miyazaki fever dream. Yeah,

00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:36.420
a little bit. Time out, time out. And I do love

00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:41.099
how fun this is. I wanted any of the Pantheon

00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:44.869
characters to be... not super regular, but a

00:45:44.869 --> 00:45:48.429
more regular thing, the Toad Baron place would

00:45:48.429 --> 00:45:52.630
probably be the funnest place to be. I mean,

00:45:52.670 --> 00:45:56.949
it's still creepy as all hell, but it's probably

00:45:56.949 --> 00:46:03.309
the most fun. Players to the pitch and all that.

00:46:03.590 --> 00:46:06.050
And yeah, they basically tell him, no, we don't

00:46:06.050 --> 00:46:09.010
want to do it either. And then we get to the

00:46:09.010 --> 00:46:14.000
mammoth and the mammoth. I didn't... Okay, maybe

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.099
you can explain this to me. Like, I know they're

00:46:16.099 --> 00:46:19.800
just kind of, like, sparring each other, but,

00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:26.960
like, his moves here, like, how... Huh? He didn't

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:33.219
really move. Like, they are going at each other,

00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:38.300
but, like, there's, like, again, they're not...

00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:42.159
Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought he...

00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:46.840
Yeah. The knife sent the swords in him. But...

00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.019
Yeah, I think he's killing the wolves for furs

00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:57.599
and food. Yeah, but... That kind of thing. Maybe.

00:46:58.300 --> 00:47:00.960
Yeah, he's not so much of a protector as much

00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.059
as he's a survivor. Okay, maybe I read it wrong.

00:47:05.179 --> 00:47:12.940
I guess I did. I don't know. Again... But yeah,

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:17.659
basically everybody's telling him no. No, they

00:47:17.659 --> 00:47:19.260
don't want to go back to the game. And this is

00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:23.300
like the easiest one of all. He just goes there.

00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.179
There's nobody else around this sibling. The

00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:32.639
Pacific Northwest. No. I don't remember who that

00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.900
is. Oh, it's just the black inky thing. Yeah,

00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:42.050
that's... Tentacle squid. Jaguar to Toad Baron

00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:45.550
to Mammoth, it was all beginning to come together

00:47:45.550 --> 00:47:49.190
for me in a most unexpected fashion. I was ready

00:47:49.190 --> 00:47:52.949
to return home with my newfound knowledge and

00:47:52.949 --> 00:47:55.489
one determined, but I first had one last step

00:47:55.489 --> 00:48:01.130
in order. I, yeah, I don't remember the character.

00:48:01.190 --> 00:48:03.170
I thought they said it already. I thought they

00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:07.369
were going to say it. And so there you have it.

00:48:07.429 --> 00:48:14.219
Oh, Gothano. The dragon is dead. And Garfano

00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:18.380
is like, no. Oh, honestly, no surprises there.

00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.139
So that was a quick, easy exchange. And then

00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:24.900
this is where we get the nice little nine panel

00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:27.960
thing of him explaining everything. And we get

00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:35.420
the reveal of who he's talking to. Well, yeah.

00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:43.099
Everybody that we've. Yeah. Met so far. Yep.

00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.900
Pretty much. Laying out his pitch. This is his

00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:53.420
elevator pitch to Leather Crang, Baxter, and

00:48:53.420 --> 00:49:03.860
Madame Null. Yep. This was crazy. And it's the

00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:05.960
first time that we hear the Armageddon game.

00:49:06.409 --> 00:49:09.889
The Armageddon game. Yep. I have to go back and

00:49:09.889 --> 00:49:13.030
look at what year. So this is 2021. Holy cow!

00:49:13.210 --> 00:49:15.230
Five years that's been sitting around. Oh my

00:49:15.230 --> 00:49:22.690
gosh. Yep. And that was Opening Moves 1 and 2.

00:49:25.489 --> 00:49:33.929
Wow. Yeah. That's, yep. Crazy. So Opening Moves,

00:49:33.969 --> 00:49:42.019
what'd you think overall? It's a long draw. I

00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:44.880
don't know what you'd call it. It's taken a long

00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:51.139
time to get to where it wants to go. Which, again,

00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:56.440
I feel like I've read Armageddon Game three times.

00:49:58.179 --> 00:50:02.659
But I don't know that I ever got anywhere in

00:50:02.659 --> 00:50:05.460
any of these. I know I've read all the annuals.

00:50:06.219 --> 00:50:09.280
But I don't remember this stuff coming up. And

00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.780
so I'm very excited that this will finally get

00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:15.280
me over the Armageddon game speed bump. And then

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.460
by March, I'll have caught up with the new series.

00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:25.420
Yeah, absolutely. Well, there you go, folks.

00:50:25.539 --> 00:50:28.760
Armageddon game opening moves. Zero to five with

00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.179
half points. What would you give this overall

00:50:31.179 --> 00:50:39.889
story? Three out of five, only because it is

00:50:39.889 --> 00:50:47.989
set up. It's not a complete story yet. For the

00:50:47.989 --> 00:50:50.269
setup, I absolutely love it, but I do agree with

00:50:50.269 --> 00:50:54.510
you. It is basically three out of five. There

00:50:54.510 --> 00:50:58.480
are a couple of good... really good moments.

00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.960
Yeah, lots of character moments. Yeah, and those

00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.260
character moments for me are the Turtles, Splinter,

00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.400
Kitsune, and Shredder. The whole Kitsune and

00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.880
Shredder thing where they're basically you know,

00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:16.000
Ghost of Christmas gone by, past, future, present,

00:51:16.059 --> 00:51:19.369
whatever. When they're doing that stuff, oh man,

00:51:19.469 --> 00:51:22.949
I love that. And when the turtles show back up

00:51:22.949 --> 00:51:25.769
to the thing, oh, that was so cool with the kids

00:51:25.769 --> 00:51:29.510
and everything. That was awesome. Like I said,

00:51:29.690 --> 00:51:34.570
because all of his siblings did say no to him,

00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:36.769
I kind of felt a little bit mad for the Rat King.

00:51:37.250 --> 00:51:40.969
Still doesn't mean I still don't dislike the

00:51:40.969 --> 00:51:44.340
character overall. But I'm interested to see

00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:48.179
where the Armageddon game goes with this new

00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:53.340
quote -unquote family that he has now with Leathercrang

00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:58.079
and Stockman and Null. Yes, I don't have any

00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.860
idea where this goes. I don't either. I've never

00:52:01.860 --> 00:52:05.239
read it until now. I know from the covers of

00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:09.699
some of the books closer to 150 what shows up.

00:52:10.429 --> 00:52:12.849
how it related to some of the Archie books and

00:52:12.849 --> 00:52:17.570
things that sound like the word Armageddon. Uh,

00:52:17.829 --> 00:52:20.550
but, but I don't know. It'll be interesting.

00:52:20.630 --> 00:52:23.889
I'm excited to get there. Yeah. Look, man, the

00:52:23.889 --> 00:52:25.590
only thing I know of what are we getting is that

00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:28.329
it's a Bruce Willis, Ben Affleck joint from 1998

00:52:28.329 --> 00:52:36.309
directed by Michael Bay with Aerosmith. Oh my

00:52:36.309 --> 00:52:39.539
gosh. I remember that song. Live Tyler. Yep.

00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:45.679
Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right,

00:52:45.699 --> 00:52:49.139
folks, that's going to do it for this episode

00:52:49.139 --> 00:52:54.059
of the pull bag. We are back in the swing of

00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:57.840
things and we are going to get things going.

00:52:59.019 --> 00:53:02.590
Coming up. We've got the Armageddon game part

00:53:02.590 --> 00:53:05.750
two. Let the game play out. That's just my own

00:53:05.750 --> 00:53:08.230
little subtitle for the episode number, but that's

00:53:08.230 --> 00:53:11.989
episode 580. After that, we will finish with

00:53:11.989 --> 00:53:17.570
the Alliance, which is the Armageddon game Alliance,

00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:22.340
which is the finale for that. Only because this

00:53:22.340 --> 00:53:24.719
was recorded months and months and months and

00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.920
years and years and years ago, my buddy Beachhead

00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:30.480
Mike is going to join me, and we're going to

00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:33.619
do G .I. Joe Silent Missions from Skybound Entertainment

00:53:33.619 --> 00:53:37.639
in the episode after Armageddon Game, but then

00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.599
after that, Joe and I are going to do Damage

00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.400
Done Vol. 8 from Reborn, and then first, Last

00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:49.199
Always, which is the final... trade paperback

00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.420
for the original IDW Publishing TMNT run. We

00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:57.440
will be doing that in February of 2026, and then

00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:03.559
we will start the new Jason Aaron run, which

00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:07.440
his run only lasted 12 issues, which, you know,

00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.360
it's a good run. 12 issues is not bad. I think

00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.300
there might be some behind -the -scenes drama

00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:15.000
going on with that. I don't know, and I don't

00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.179
care. I don't want to get into any of that. I'm

00:54:19.179 --> 00:54:22.900
just saying he had a 12 -issue run. He kicked

00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:26.440
off the new run. Yeah, I've heard it's very good,

00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:31.260
too. So, yep, yep, yep. And it's IDW. It's still

00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:33.360
Turtles. We're still going to cover it because

00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.219
we still love it. So, you know, we're still here

00:54:36.219 --> 00:54:39.039
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00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.539
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00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:18.639
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