WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.859 Hi, I'm comic creator Tom Zoller, and you are 00:00:02.859 --> 00:00:06.919 listening to the Geekcast Radio Network. Honey, 00:00:06.980 --> 00:00:09.240 it was a dream! Boy, I'm glad I shared that! 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.619 Hi, I'm comic creator Tom Zoller, and you are 00:00:12.619 --> 00:00:15.220 listening to The Pull Bag. You've just jumped 00:00:15.220 --> 00:00:19.019 inside The Pull Bag. Join TFG1 Mike and the rest 00:00:19.019 --> 00:00:22.019 of the comic crew here at the GCRN as they make 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:25.420 their great escape into comics. From DC, Marvel, 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.660 and Image to IDW, Boom Studios, and Xenoscope, 00:00:28.899 --> 00:00:31.960 we have everything right here. We cover things 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.700 like Transformers, He -Man, Super Heroes, TMNT, 00:00:35.820 --> 00:00:38.979 and Radiant Black. Yeah, we have all that and 00:00:38.979 --> 00:00:42.439 so much more. It's all inside the pull bag here 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:46.159 on the Geekcast Radio Network. So, without further 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.000 ado, it's time to talk about the comics we're 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.380 reading right now, here inside the pull bag. 00:00:53.259 --> 00:00:56.539 Hello and welcome to the 578th episode of The 00:00:56.539 --> 00:00:58.399 Pull Bag. I'm your host, Steve, Drew, and Mike, 00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:01.859 and today is a special interview. Now, this is 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:04.819 not normally what the plan was going to be, but 00:01:04.819 --> 00:01:07.640 since my good buddy in comic reading with the 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.200 TMNT from IDW Publishing, Joe Reed, can't find 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.700 his comics, unfortunately, or can't... It's a 00:01:14.700 --> 00:01:17.319 whole thing, folks. but the turtles comics will 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:20.420 return and we also have a gi joe special missions 00:01:20.420 --> 00:01:22.840 episode that was already pre -recorded but uh 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.579 today folks because out of the blue somebody 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:30.019 messaged me and said shh don't share this yet 00:01:30.019 --> 00:01:32.819 and i'm like if that's what i think it is you're 00:01:32.819 --> 00:01:35.519 about to give me a heart attack holy crap today 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:39.799 i welcome back for the first time since 2017 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:42.280 let me make sure i get this right because it's 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:47.700 funny folks because 10 years ago in 2015, I remember 00:01:47.700 --> 00:01:49.340 this without even looking at the website, even 00:01:49.340 --> 00:01:52.739 though I have both interviews pulled up. September 00:01:52.739 --> 00:01:55.760 12th of 2015 was the first time I got to interview 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.319 this person. And then sometime in August of 2017 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.840 is when he gave us his warning label. Oh boy. 00:02:04.299 --> 00:02:09.159 So basically this new interview X number of years 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:13.659 later is falling between all of that. But yeah, 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.819 you know him. You love him. I welcome back cartoonist, 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:20.900 writer, artist, all -around awesome guy, Mr. 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:27.400 Tom Zoller. Hey, how you doing? Yeah, I'm surviving. 00:02:28.099 --> 00:02:33.199 That's... surviving the best I can, I guess. 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:38.280 How have you been, sir? Oh, busy. Yeah, lots 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.689 of life stuff. Traveling way too much. Much but 00:02:41.689 --> 00:02:46.949 all good. Mm -hmm. Yep, yep. So that's where 00:02:46.949 --> 00:02:52.409 this came from. Got it. Uh -huh. Uh -huh. So 00:02:52.409 --> 00:02:55.289 most people know Mr. Zahler from such titles 00:02:55.289 --> 00:02:58.449 as his work on My Little Pony at IDW Publishing. 00:02:58.449 --> 00:03:00.909 And then there are all of his creator -owned 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:05.729 series with Love and Capes and all of the multiple 00:03:05.729 --> 00:03:11.120 series that include that whole. Because what 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.560 are you on the holiday issues now? The holiday 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.939 tales now or something? I saw something on the 00:03:15.939 --> 00:03:18.599 website about the holiday episodes. After the 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:23.759 fifth volume, I moved it to Patreon. I did one 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:26.759 during COVID. Then I did a Christmas issue. And 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.960 now it kind of survives as like 64 page thick 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.900 comic books. It just makes it easier to get a 00:03:32.900 --> 00:03:35.960 new one out now and then. Yep. What we're really 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.030 here to talk about long distance. Warning label, 00:03:39.129 --> 00:03:42.349 as I mentioned, Cupid's Arrows, Time and Vine, 00:03:42.610 --> 00:03:47.030 and most recently, the Ghost Whiskerer. Uh -huh. 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:51.009 There are two of them. Oh, there's two of those. 00:03:51.169 --> 00:03:54.150 No, no, there are two cats. It's Ghost Whiskerers, 00:03:54.150 --> 00:03:58.250 plural. There's only one. Yeah, I said Ghost 00:03:58.250 --> 00:04:01.969 Whiskerers. Oh, okay. Maybe I didn't. I don't 00:04:01.969 --> 00:04:05.430 know. I don't know. I always end up screwing 00:04:05.430 --> 00:04:08.819 things up in these intros. So, yeah. So it's 00:04:08.819 --> 00:04:11.719 been 10 years almost to the day when I first 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.819 interviewed Tom. And we are here to talk about 00:04:15.819 --> 00:04:18.779 long distance. And I have been begging him for 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:21.519 the last 10 years for more long distance. And 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:23.439 here we are all these years later. And look, 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.660 folks, more long distance. I can be worn down. 00:04:28.459 --> 00:04:31.220 Right. Come on now. I haven't begged you all 00:04:31.220 --> 00:04:37.209 that much. Yeah, so long distance then. For those 00:04:37.209 --> 00:04:40.129 that don't know, for those who have been living 00:04:40.129 --> 00:04:42.230 under a rock, who haven't listened to myself 00:04:42.230 --> 00:04:45.750 and our good buddy Jesse W. Jackson from Set 00:04:45.750 --> 00:04:48.269 Lusting Bruce and Perfectly Good Podcast and 00:04:48.269 --> 00:04:52.730 JKL Media and whatever else other things Jesse 00:04:52.730 --> 00:04:56.870 does, tell us, for those that didn't listen to 00:04:56.870 --> 00:04:58.949 that first interview that we did 10 years ago. 00:04:59.580 --> 00:05:02.160 Remind everybody or maybe reintroduce everyone 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:06.100 to the premise and concept of long distance and 00:05:06.100 --> 00:05:09.199 where the idea came from and who Jeremy was. 00:05:09.500 --> 00:05:14.000 Oh, OK. So long distance is a comic about a couple 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.579 that meet in an airport during a snowstorm and 00:05:16.579 --> 00:05:18.399 they hit it off and they decide to date. But 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.899 neither one lives near each other. One of them 00:05:20.899 --> 00:05:22.860 lives in Ohio. One of them lives in Illinois. 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.920 So it's their chronicle trying to figure out 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.899 how to make this work. Visually, the comic uses 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:33.100 color to tell the story. So all the scenes that 00:05:33.100 --> 00:05:35.800 take place in Columbus have a greenish tint to 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.300 them. All the scenes that take place in Chicago 00:05:38.300 --> 00:05:41.220 have an orange tint. That way you always know 00:05:41.220 --> 00:05:44.220 where the story is happening without me trying 00:05:44.220 --> 00:05:46.379 to do a bunch of establishing shots. You can 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:48.860 bounce back and forth and it's really easy to 00:05:48.860 --> 00:05:51.699 tell. Every time they go to a different location, 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:53.759 it's a different color. That's kind of the rule 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.529 for it. And then they text each other and they 00:05:57.529 --> 00:06:01.670 email and all of those different types of telepresence 00:06:01.670 --> 00:06:04.910 appear in the book. Because that's one of the 00:06:04.910 --> 00:06:08.050 things I've been in more than a few long distance 00:06:08.050 --> 00:06:11.009 relationships, probably because I travel so much. 00:06:11.029 --> 00:06:15.389 That's how I meet people. And one of those was 00:06:15.389 --> 00:06:17.649 kind of the inspiration for for telling this 00:06:17.649 --> 00:06:22.379 particular story. And as. time went on originally 00:06:22.379 --> 00:06:26.079 this was invented or created as a sitcom pitch 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:29.220 for a tv show called situation comedy that aired 00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:36.459 on bravo in like 2003 2004 2004 um and i took 00:06:36.459 --> 00:06:38.899 that story and turned it into a comic about 10 00:06:38.899 --> 00:06:41.240 years later and the thing that had changed in 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.000 those 10 years was texting and voice you know 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.430 um voice call or visual calls and um you know, 00:06:50.430 --> 00:06:53.389 the FaceTime stuff like that, where it makes 00:06:53.389 --> 00:06:56.250 it possible a different degree of telepresence. 00:06:56.449 --> 00:06:59.350 And I thought that was really easy, really interesting 00:06:59.350 --> 00:07:01.550 to explore because you're apart from somebody, 00:07:01.550 --> 00:07:04.110 but you're not completely apart from the person. 00:07:04.129 --> 00:07:07.029 Like you're actually still always connected in 00:07:07.029 --> 00:07:09.689 a way that previous long distance relationships 00:07:09.689 --> 00:07:13.209 weren't. Yeah. So I wanted to try and see what 00:07:13.209 --> 00:07:17.699 I could do with that whole reality. Yeah, absolutely. 00:07:17.779 --> 00:07:21.160 So the book came as a four -issue. Each issue 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.100 is double -sized, so essentially it's an eight 00:07:23.100 --> 00:07:26.339 -issue story, if you count classic comic books. 00:07:26.939 --> 00:07:30.879 And yeah, it was always, as a sitcom, there's 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.459 a point near the end where you find out how the 00:07:34.459 --> 00:07:36.339 characters make their relationship work. And 00:07:36.339 --> 00:07:39.209 to me, that was always where the other... other 00:07:39.209 --> 00:07:41.490 seasons of it as a comic book would take place 00:07:41.490 --> 00:07:44.290 or other seasons of it as a TV show. Like I would 00:07:44.290 --> 00:07:46.430 explore that there's a double page spread. That 00:07:46.430 --> 00:07:48.269 double page spread could have been years worth 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:53.500 of material. Um, but not knowing. How I could 00:07:53.500 --> 00:07:56.759 get the book to survive that long at that way, 00:07:56.860 --> 00:07:59.420 I'd kind of skip over that part and apply it 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:02.360 there and kind of have it as a proof of concept. 00:08:02.459 --> 00:08:04.819 It was one of the reasons it was hard to figure 00:08:04.819 --> 00:08:06.779 out how to come back to it because the ending 00:08:06.779 --> 00:08:08.959 was very much the ending I was looking for. I 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.680 didn't know what else to do with it until I did. 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:17.060 And you asked about Jeremy. The book is dedicated 00:08:17.060 --> 00:08:21.139 to my friend Jeremy Dale. He passed away in 2000. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.139 Oh, man. 2014, I think. 2015. I'll blur together. 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:30.519 I'm so sorry, dude. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.639 pretty sudden and unexpected. I remember getting 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.500 a text from his wife and just being completely 00:08:34.500 --> 00:08:36.080 shocked because, you know, he's younger than 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.000 me. And, yeah, it was just like this weird confluence 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.940 of events that happened. So, yeah, I dedicated 00:08:42.940 --> 00:08:48.659 the book to him. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah, 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:52.700 so there's a point in the book, and this is not 00:08:52.700 --> 00:08:54.419 a spoiler because this book has been out for 00:08:54.419 --> 00:08:57.379 10 years, folks. Go give yourself a copy. But 00:08:57.379 --> 00:09:01.460 there's a point in the book where you have, like 00:09:01.460 --> 00:09:04.320 you said, this two -page spread where the entire 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.519 map opens up and you have various points on the 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.100 map of where Carter and Lee, the main characters, 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.600 go and to and fro and this, that, and everything 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:18.190 else. little blurbs about each stop and what 00:09:18.190 --> 00:09:20.889 what happened and you know the year that was 00:09:20.889 --> 00:09:23.190 and that the less said about that the better 00:09:23.190 --> 00:09:27.929 and and graham and everything else and all this 00:09:27.929 --> 00:09:30.549 and all that and my thinking was oh i can't wait 00:09:30.549 --> 00:09:33.049 to read that story 10 years from now and i was 00:09:33.049 --> 00:09:35.830 like well because again you you tease it and 00:09:35.830 --> 00:09:38.730 it's a good t you know all of those things are 00:09:38.730 --> 00:09:41.710 a great tease and maybe there aren't legs on 00:09:41.710 --> 00:09:44.960 every one of those stories that are on the map 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:50.700 but when i read it back then and when i the so 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:53.519 before so i read it again right before we did 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.980 this the first time i've read it in six years 00:09:57.980 --> 00:10:00.299 the last time i read it before this was in 2019 00:10:00.299 --> 00:10:05.440 okay i don't know why i read it in 2019 but i 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.940 just did it was just one of those things so i'm 00:10:07.940 --> 00:10:09.539 just like i need to go back to that i need to 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:13.600 reread long distance again i need something different 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:18.120 and lord if only i knew what was coming after 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:24.580 so yeah i did you know and to this day i still 00:10:24.580 --> 00:10:28.940 love the story every bit of it and it is and 00:10:28.940 --> 00:10:31.919 will always be one of if not the best romance 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.840 comic comic out there oh thank you you're very 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:39.389 kind absolutely So the question now is how many 00:10:39.389 --> 00:10:42.889 ideas have you had since 10 years ago till now 00:10:42.889 --> 00:10:47.470 that you just haven't done with the series? Oh, 00:10:47.490 --> 00:10:50.830 you know, not all that many. Cause anytime I 00:10:50.830 --> 00:10:55.429 really think about approaching all the travels 00:10:55.429 --> 00:10:59.129 they take in the middle that timing wise would 00:10:59.129 --> 00:11:03.269 change. This was a issue I had with love and 00:11:03.269 --> 00:11:06.289 capes when I came back to it too, was that if, 00:11:06.649 --> 00:11:09.309 if I picked up where I left off, that moment 00:11:09.309 --> 00:11:11.570 is frozen in time. And the further I get from 00:11:11.570 --> 00:11:15.610 it, the more it becomes a period piece. And I 00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:18.070 wasn't as interested in that. It's the kind of 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:20.450 thing that if I came back to it or if it became 00:11:20.450 --> 00:11:24.049 a TV show, I would probably approach some things 00:11:24.049 --> 00:11:27.009 differently. I mean, the, the, the core story 00:11:27.009 --> 00:11:30.230 would remain the same, but I don't know everything 00:11:30.230 --> 00:11:33.909 I would have done with the stuff that's implied 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:36.779 that happens. in the, in the intervening years, 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.840 I'd, I'd probably change some of that. Those 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.320 were all like general ideas, but they were also 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.240 kind of sketched out a little bit. Um, probably 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.480 they refer to the year of hell and I, I have 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:51.700 a pretty good idea what happened there. Um, but 00:11:51.700 --> 00:11:54.179 there, there's also, there's a couple of things 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:56.860 that are, I don't know if they're implied, but 00:11:56.860 --> 00:12:00.120 they're, they're always, they were always in 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.059 the story that I wrote, but they're not overt 00:12:02.059 --> 00:12:05.919 until, Honestly, part of what happened, because 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.259 occasionally people would ask me for a sequel 00:12:08.259 --> 00:12:13.700 to this, is that the pandemic happened. And suddenly 00:12:13.700 --> 00:12:15.759 I went from traveling all the time to being home 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:20.799 all the time. I really love traveling. I love 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.500 conventions. I love getting to meet people who 00:12:23.500 --> 00:12:25.460 read my book. And it's kind of how I store up 00:12:25.460 --> 00:12:28.440 the energy to work in the studio for as much 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.580 as I have to to get a book out. But I figured 00:12:30.580 --> 00:12:32.580 out that I bought the house because I liked it. 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.320 living here and i like i have a stupid travel 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.720 schedule that services the most awesome thing 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.700 in my life which is getting to draw write and 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:46.080 draw comics but it like when everybody was cooking 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.360 at home it changes the way you approach food 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.399 and suddenly i was cooking differently and there 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.220 was a you know there was a lot to enjoy about 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.379 it and as i realized that i realized there was 00:12:56.379 --> 00:12:58.200 a part where carter and lee the characters in 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.860 the book would hit a point where maybe they don't 00:13:00.860 --> 00:13:04.090 want to travel anymore And the other thing actually 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:07.529 that weirdly occurred to me is I've started traveling 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:10.769 internationally for my little pony convention. 00:13:10.970 --> 00:13:14.269 So it's a nice little training wheel way to get 00:13:14.269 --> 00:13:16.230 onto places. And there's a lot of places that 00:13:16.230 --> 00:13:18.789 have gone. And for, you know, one of the things 00:13:18.789 --> 00:13:20.710 you do when you travel, I have figured out is 00:13:20.710 --> 00:13:22.409 that you go to the top of really tall places. 00:13:23.309 --> 00:13:25.190 Like there's always somewhere that's got a church 00:13:25.190 --> 00:13:29.070 bell tower or clock tower or I was in Bruges 00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:31.649 and I went to the top of the church that you 00:13:31.649 --> 00:13:34.029 see in the movie in Bruges. I did all that kind 00:13:34.029 --> 00:13:38.269 of stuff. And it's fine. And the experiences 00:13:38.269 --> 00:13:40.850 are great. That's not the point I'm talking about. 00:13:40.950 --> 00:13:43.909 But as I get a little bit older, like it's still 00:13:43.909 --> 00:13:46.129 – like I don't have any problem doing it. But 00:13:46.129 --> 00:13:49.009 I realize that there will come a point in my 00:13:49.009 --> 00:13:52.059 life when I won't be able to do that stuff. the 00:13:52.059 --> 00:13:53.919 way that I can do it now. So there are certain 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:55.539 things I want to make sure that I take advantage 00:13:55.539 --> 00:13:58.639 of and realizing that what happened to Carter 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.220 and Lee, like they're not going to want to live 00:14:00.220 --> 00:14:04.000 out of a suitcase or, uh, you know, stay a year 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.679 in a place and then move everything over and 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.200 over. Like that's going to get tiring. So it 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:09.620 occurred to me that it'd be really interesting 00:14:09.620 --> 00:14:12.559 to find out what point that happened and how 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:16.769 they dealt with it. Yeah, absolutely. So long 00:14:16.769 --> 00:14:19.409 distance now, I'm going to sound like Jeremy 00:14:19.409 --> 00:14:22.230 Piven from Gross Point Blank here. Ten years? 00:14:22.789 --> 00:14:27.309 Ten years? Long distance. The Travel Miles Club 00:14:27.309 --> 00:14:33.029 is 20 new pages of Cotter and Lee's adventures. 00:14:33.970 --> 00:14:37.090 You just mentioned all of this about your traveling 00:14:37.090 --> 00:14:40.929 and need to want to do it now because much later 00:14:40.929 --> 00:14:42.830 you're not going to be able to do it and whatever. 00:14:42.990 --> 00:14:47.009 But when did you first... like work on this. 00:14:47.009 --> 00:14:49.289 Like this didn't just happen. Like you didn't 00:14:49.289 --> 00:14:53.330 just draw this two months ago. No, I had the 00:14:53.330 --> 00:14:58.830 idea. It was percolating last year. Um, maybe 00:14:58.830 --> 00:15:00.610 the, maybe the year before I remember talking 00:15:00.610 --> 00:15:05.610 to my publisher about it in April of 24. And 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:09.190 then I actually did an artist residency at a 00:15:09.190 --> 00:15:12.409 place called Chateau Orkavo. in the south of 00:15:12.409 --> 00:15:15.789 france in january which was this awesome magical 00:15:15.789 --> 00:15:19.230 experience and i i'm going to try to do more 00:15:19.230 --> 00:15:21.490 artist residencies because it was so awesome 00:15:21.490 --> 00:15:26.210 but what being away allowed me to do was focus 00:15:26.210 --> 00:15:29.049 and i wrote and drew the 20 pages while i was 00:15:29.049 --> 00:15:34.350 in france so chateau and i i drew the book there 00:15:34.350 --> 00:15:40.279 very cool very cool awesome awesome So you have 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:43.980 the Kickstarter and I'm going to be getting this 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:47.240 interview up as soon as I possibly can. But as 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.120 of right now, Tuesday night, August, what the 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:55.940 hell day? 19th. 19th. We have, let me refresh 00:15:55.940 --> 00:15:58.340 the page just to make sure I have an accurate 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:03.299 count here. Come on. Come on, internet. My internet's 00:16:03.299 --> 00:16:06.139 slow. Oh, okay. I've got it open too. Yeah, it's 00:16:06.139 --> 00:16:11.220 82 backers, got 28 days to go, $3 ,524. You met 00:16:11.220 --> 00:16:15.220 the goal. Yep, funded in six hours. Yep, funded 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:19.159 in six, which I am not surprised. Not because 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.580 it's you, not because it's long distance, but 00:16:21.580 --> 00:16:25.259 just because it's honestly, yeah, it is because 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:28.470 of that. you know, you get the word out about 00:16:28.470 --> 00:16:31.450 that. Like I'm telling you, man, like I've only 00:16:31.450 --> 00:16:34.730 done one episode of the pullback about the, about 00:16:34.730 --> 00:16:38.970 the comic, but I need to do more promotion of 00:16:38.970 --> 00:16:41.929 that old episode that Jesse and I did because 00:16:41.929 --> 00:16:44.690 man, more, more people need to read this dang 00:16:44.690 --> 00:16:47.690 book. It is. So the, the, the original story, 00:16:47.870 --> 00:16:51.750 cause it is, it's so good. And it's like, like 00:16:51.750 --> 00:16:54.289 I said, folks, the beginning of the, of the episode. 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.100 I don't even think I said hello to you. I don't 00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:01.240 even remember. I think the last thing I sent 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.960 you was, hey, new, I think it was like last year, 00:17:05.059 --> 00:17:06.940 new interview, whatever, whatever, whatever, 00:17:07.059 --> 00:17:09.299 something, something, it was something last year. 00:17:09.859 --> 00:17:12.619 All of a sudden, out of the blue, I get a message 00:17:12.619 --> 00:17:15.559 and I'm like, you're like, don't share this, 00:17:15.619 --> 00:17:21.500 but I'm like, if you don't do this to me. If 00:17:21.500 --> 00:17:24.779 that's not what I think it is, because you don't 00:17:24.779 --> 00:17:31.839 do this to me. Because, yeah. But, yeah. Met 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:35.619 the goal already. So we got 28 days to go with 00:17:35.619 --> 00:17:39.079 the stretch goals and everything else. Long distance, 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:44.079 the Travel Miles Club. 20 new pages. Luckily, 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:47.400 folks, he didn't torture me too much. He allowed 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.799 me to read the story. I've read it. It's great. 00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:52.359 I'm not going to say a damn thing about it. The 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.940 only thing I will say is thank you for making 00:17:54.940 --> 00:17:57.059 Sydney the most important part of part of that 00:17:57.059 --> 00:18:03.359 story. Well, I forget. Was it a birthday present 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.539 or did I buy that from? I don't remember. So 00:18:05.539 --> 00:18:09.220 years ago, this is a Patreon commission or something. 00:18:09.299 --> 00:18:11.500 I think I owed you a commission, but I don't 00:18:11.500 --> 00:18:17.460 remember. So back in 2017, 2018, somewhere along 00:18:17.460 --> 00:18:21.380 the lines, folks. I ended up with a commission 00:18:21.380 --> 00:18:26.339 from Tom and because Tom knows me at that point, 00:18:26.380 --> 00:18:30.359 Tom knew me for two years and he knows of not 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.880 that I don't not like any of his other work. 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:36.859 But at that point in time, he knew what I liked 00:18:36.859 --> 00:18:39.380 and he knew what I wanted because two years in, 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.960 I'm like, OK, when's more? At that point, I really 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.259 was asking. I'm like, okay, when's more? Like, 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.500 really, I remember asking a couple of times in 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:55.140 2016, 2017. And you're like, fine, do this. I 00:18:55.140 --> 00:18:57.180 know what it was. I remember what it was. It 00:18:57.180 --> 00:19:01.039 was Small Business Saturday that year. Oh, okay. 00:19:01.059 --> 00:19:02.980 It was a Small Business Saturday. That's what 00:19:02.980 --> 00:19:08.119 it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you drew me a Carter 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:13.450 and Lee. in Sydney, Australia, with the opera 00:19:13.450 --> 00:19:16.670 house in the background. And they've got their 00:19:16.670 --> 00:19:19.549 arms up, or she's got her arms, they both have 00:19:19.549 --> 00:19:21.250 their arms up in the air. I don't remember. I 00:19:21.250 --> 00:19:23.869 can't see it. It's back in the back there. But 00:19:23.869 --> 00:19:26.970 she says, frequent flyer miles, baby. And I'm 00:19:26.970 --> 00:19:31.730 like, oh, cool. Very awesome. And before you 00:19:31.730 --> 00:19:36.819 had even offered to show me the new story, I 00:19:36.819 --> 00:19:39.500 asked you, I said, so does Australia come in 00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:42.240 at any point? Just out of curiosity, considering 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:46.539 that print from X number of years ago. Little 00:19:46.539 --> 00:19:52.640 did I know. It's I can't say what it is, folks, 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.160 because you're just going to have to read the 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:57.920 story 28 days from now. But yeah, no. So the 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.099 let me get back to the questions here and off 00:20:01.099 --> 00:20:04.980 the Kickstarter page. Uh, so the next part of 00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:07.440 the question says, and this is, this is a future 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.140 question. How many miles can we travel in the 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:14.119 long distance club? Is this just the first leg 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:20.019 of the next flight of the, by of the blues? Every 00:20:20.019 --> 00:20:24.440 time I come back to something like this and I 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:26.920 try to do it with most of my projects. Now I 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.960 want everything I do to be effectively the last 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:34.670 thing I do. In that, like Cupid's Arrows, because 00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:38.150 I got canceled in the second season, it's going 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:40.549 to take a lot of effort to do volumes three and 00:20:40.549 --> 00:20:43.809 four. So I want everything to be complete when 00:20:43.809 --> 00:20:50.309 I do it and not have to come back when I'm not 00:20:50.309 --> 00:20:56.109 ready to. So to me, this is definitive until 00:20:56.109 --> 00:20:59.650 I come up with a better idea. That was the same 00:20:59.650 --> 00:21:03.289 way I was with Love and Capes where I got exactly 00:21:03.289 --> 00:21:06.190 to the place that story was always going to end. 00:21:09.109 --> 00:21:13.509 It's the birth of the first kid. I really felt 00:21:13.509 --> 00:21:15.289 like I nailed the ending and I didn't want to 00:21:15.289 --> 00:21:18.009 do the crappy last season of Scrubs. I wanted 00:21:18.009 --> 00:21:21.940 to end on the high note. But I never... to keep 00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:24.099 sub -referencing. I never wanted to do that Sarah 00:21:24.099 --> 00:21:26.500 Michelle Gellar, there's no way that I'm ever 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:30.839 going to do this show on the WB or on UPN kind 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.460 of thing. I was never going to say I would never 00:21:33.460 --> 00:21:36.079 come back to it, but if I came back to it, it'd 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.539 have to be the right story. And Greg Weissman, 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:43.019 who does Young Justice and Gargoyles, is actually 00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:46.349 a fan of the book, which blows my mind. And he 00:21:46.349 --> 00:21:49.829 came up to me at a show and asked really conspiratorially 00:21:49.829 --> 00:21:51.250 because I thought he's going to ask about something 00:21:51.250 --> 00:21:54.890 else. And he says, are you ever going to do more 00:21:54.890 --> 00:21:56.930 Love and Capes? And I'm like, well, you know, 00:21:56.950 --> 00:21:59.609 I would, but I don't know what to do. And like, 00:21:59.630 --> 00:22:01.809 you know, there are these problems with the story 00:22:01.809 --> 00:22:04.829 that I can't work out and I don't like I don't 00:22:04.829 --> 00:22:07.269 need to come back to Love and Capes. He's like, 00:22:07.349 --> 00:22:09.390 well, I got an idea. I'm like, okay, tell me 00:22:09.390 --> 00:22:13.029 your idea, Mr. Young Justice. And then he told 00:22:13.029 --> 00:22:14.690 me an idea, and I'm like, oh, crap, that solves 00:22:14.690 --> 00:22:17.630 all my problems. And I figured out the next five 00:22:17.630 --> 00:22:20.569 pages in the next hour, and I'm like, okay, well, 00:22:20.589 --> 00:22:24.769 I guess I'm coming back. So that was the start 00:22:24.769 --> 00:22:29.470 of the fifth volume. Where, same thing, it jumped 00:22:29.470 --> 00:22:31.529 ahead in time, and then there were two kids instead 00:22:31.529 --> 00:22:34.769 of one, and that, from a production point of 00:22:34.769 --> 00:22:37.509 view, it means that I could tell baby stories 00:22:37.509 --> 00:22:40.170 i can tell toddler stories i didn't have to follow 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:42.549 the arc of any individual kid and tie myself 00:22:42.549 --> 00:22:45.730 to that yeah where the you know loving capes 00:22:45.730 --> 00:22:49.630 was dating engagement newlywed kids like it was 00:22:49.630 --> 00:22:51.930 always built with that structure and if i was 00:22:51.930 --> 00:22:54.490 going to follow their son that's committing to 00:22:54.490 --> 00:22:56.930 18 to 21 years of loving cape stuff and i didn't 00:22:56.930 --> 00:22:59.630 know if i could do that but being able to drop 00:22:59.630 --> 00:23:01.890 in and out and jump ahead a little bit each time 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.680 That makes it a little easier to do. So all of 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.880 which is to say the same way, if I come up with 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.200 something worthy enough of coming back to long 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.660 distance, I will. But one, the book's been out 00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:17.299 of print for like three years now, four years, 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.619 if not more. The fact that working with rocket 00:23:21.619 --> 00:23:23.759 ship publishing, I'm able to get the book back 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.039 into existence. That's really important to me. 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.140 Covers much better. I don't know what I was thinking 00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:30.400 the last time the covers much better. Production 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.940 is going to be great. There's going to be a hardback 00:23:31.940 --> 00:23:34.819 version. I think we're talking about if we, if 00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:36.579 we hit the right number, I'll actually put the 00:23:36.579 --> 00:23:38.839 original sitcom script in the back of it. And 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.720 then the new 20 page story. So there will be 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.299 a lot of stuff to it to make it worth being. 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.160 You know, a really good collector's edition of 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.519 the book that I did 10 years ago. Very cool. 00:23:53.619 --> 00:23:57.200 Very cool. I don't think the original trade paperback 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.460 cover was all that bad. It's not bad, but when 00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:03.619 I look at the new one, I don't know why I didn't 00:24:03.619 --> 00:24:09.119 do that one first. Well, because the new one 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:13.500 is, you're talking about the green and the orange 00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:18.519 one, right? Yeah, that's because that is specifically 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.759 just Carter and Lee with the background of where 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:27.140 they are from. That isn't them. The way I look 00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:30.759 at the original cover is they're connecting on 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.900 the map. They're making a connection over their 00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:38.779 locations because it is a long distance. Right. 00:24:38.900 --> 00:24:41.680 I think that I because the original idea was 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:46.460 them on like a. like a stony leap map. Yeah. 00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:51.140 Yeah. And like, I was really worried about selling 00:24:51.140 --> 00:24:54.099 the initial concept of the, the color changing. 00:24:54.140 --> 00:24:57.720 And since they were putting them on the map, 00:24:57.779 --> 00:25:01.160 made it difficult to do the colors because I 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:02.859 couldn't, I had to show enough to make the map 00:25:02.859 --> 00:25:05.400 work, but I, by the way, the book set up that 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.839 every place should be a different color and Indiana 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.160 gets in the way as happens to them in the book. 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:15.160 So, uh, doing something that was a glorified 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:20.240 new version of the original four covers and technically 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.799 the fifth, because, um, earlier this year and 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.220 the last year I put a digital version of long 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:33.049 distance up. on Kindle, on Amazon, because now 00:25:33.049 --> 00:25:35.650 that I have the rights back, I can do that. And 00:25:35.650 --> 00:25:37.789 now I did a new cover for it as well. Actually, 00:25:38.329 --> 00:25:40.289 I take it back. I didn't do a new cover. I recolored 00:25:40.289 --> 00:25:43.809 the original cover because each cover had the 00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:48.009 two of them separated by distance and different 00:25:48.009 --> 00:25:50.369 colors so that the covers would read different. 00:25:50.890 --> 00:25:53.569 So there wasn't even the canonical colors of 00:25:53.569 --> 00:25:56.150 the comic book. It was using just different colors. 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:58.170 So you knew what was going on. And I think it 00:25:58.170 --> 00:26:01.329 worked much better, um, with the second version 00:26:01.329 --> 00:26:04.029 that I did. Uh, yeah, I'm just, I'm really happy 00:26:04.029 --> 00:26:05.890 with the cover. It's got good movement. You know, 00:26:05.910 --> 00:26:07.890 I've learned how to draw marginally better in 00:26:07.890 --> 00:26:11.329 the last 10 years. So as an artist, that's the 00:26:11.329 --> 00:26:15.079 thing. Like I, like I'm. proud of work that i've 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:16.920 done before but i always want to be getting better 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.519 like if i look at something i did 10 years ago 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.099 and it let go yeah that was the peak of my talents 00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:23.900 i like that you know you're heading in the wrong 00:26:23.900 --> 00:26:27.319 direction well no it wasn't the peak but that's 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.019 where you like let's just say specifically to 00:26:30.019 --> 00:26:32.700 this story that's where it started oh yeah and 00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:35.599 and that's and that's the that's the for you 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.700 as the creator for you as the artist of the the 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:42.039 style you could that's your starting point That's 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.680 your guide to this is what I didn't like. This 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.779 is what I did like. Let's take this, this and 00:26:46.779 --> 00:26:50.000 this and let's improve upon it. Kind of a thing. 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.960 So speaking of writing an artistic style, how 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.839 would you define your writing and artistic style? 00:26:57.099 --> 00:27:02.380 Oh, my my writing is very sitcom play. Aaron 00:27:02.380 --> 00:27:05.740 Sorkin naturalistic. I really love dialogue. 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.160 I try to reign that in so I'm not leaning on 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.720 it. But it's my favorite thing to write. So, 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.740 you know, they're both very deft in wordplay 00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:21.420 and Gilmore Girls -like. The art has been a progression. 00:27:21.619 --> 00:27:24.579 When I did Love and Capes, it was very much animated, 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:31.200 DCAU animated universe style. So Long Distance 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:36.200 started my tradition of... still cartoony but 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.559 slightly more realistic slightly more grounded 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.660 i still try to with love and capes there was 00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:46.460 an initial rule that i had that everything was 00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:49.759 inked with a french curve so it was one of the 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.480 ways i put energy and pop into the backgrounds 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.599 was to keep everything a little bit like off 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.339 center or you know just more natural and long 00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:02.940 distance was like the the middle ground with 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.220 that. Like there are structures that are drawn 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:08.180 with a ruler. Um, well long distance is also 00:28:08.180 --> 00:28:11.099 the first book I did completely digitally. So 00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:16.539 it was the, you know, ruler, ruler tool in clip 00:28:16.539 --> 00:28:20.640 studio. Um, so it lives in a little more of a 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:25.259 grounded physical universe, but it's also, it 00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:28.799 plays to the strengths that I have as an artist 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.599 with keeping things kind of, light and bouncy 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.220 and cartoony. And, you know, the big thing is 00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:35.960 that the, the characters in love and capes have 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.259 those DCAU eyes where the guys all have dots 00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.180 for eyes and the women have larger eyes. And 00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:43.920 this, you know, they're there. Everybody's built 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.380 on the same structure. Like I, I took all the 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.859 stuff that I would have changed about love and 00:28:47.859 --> 00:28:50.839 capes potentially and change that in long distance. 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:55.079 And this has been my pretty well de facto style 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.559 from this to time and vine to Cupid's arrows 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.369 to, um, a warning label, not in that order, but 00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:09.190 yeah. Right. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. So the 00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:12.930 evolution of your style, are you happy with the 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:16.430 evolution? I am. I feel, uh, I keep trying to 00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:18.589 figure out like guardrails, but I also try to 00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:22.470 figure out ways to push it in each one. Like 00:29:22.470 --> 00:29:24.970 I, it's not that I'm trying to do that, like 00:29:24.970 --> 00:29:29.369 milk call Disney house style, but I like how, 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.680 And the first 20 Disney films all look like they 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.059 were drawn in the same style. And sometimes I 00:29:37.059 --> 00:29:39.839 have trouble figuring out exactly where those 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.579 boundaries are to have characters interact with 00:29:42.579 --> 00:29:44.759 each other. I do like stuff on the slightly more 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:49.579 realistic scale. Like one of the problems with 00:29:49.579 --> 00:29:52.059 love and capes was that it was hard to draw a 00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:54.059 glass that would look right in Mark's hand and 00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:56.559 look right in Abby's hand. Like you had sessions 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.440 to the universe that way. Love and capes is probably, 00:30:00.340 --> 00:30:03.579 changed since the initial book too it's very 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:07.000 you know I always think of Charles Schultz's 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.579 Peanuts where if you look at the strips from 00:30:09.579 --> 00:30:11.700 the 50s they don't look the same as the strips 00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:16.740 you know from the 90s but nobody ever complained 00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:19.200 like it was just him figuring out how to draw 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.599 the characters He didn't, you know, there's stuff 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.099 you figure out and change along the way. It happened 00:30:25.099 --> 00:30:27.180 to Superman. It happened to everybody else. So 00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:29.460 I see that in love and capes, but I've never 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:32.440 had anyone mentioned it to me. Um, same way with, 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:37.460 and it has been exploring at post love and capes, 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.579 the long distance style and everything that I've 00:30:39.579 --> 00:30:44.019 done since then. Um, but I'll like long distance 00:30:44.019 --> 00:30:47.240 had the, the special color palette, which was 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.799 a different, uh, story choice. When I got into 00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:52.559 Time and Vine, I was trying to use the color 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:57.940 palette to just color time different eras. When 00:30:57.940 --> 00:31:00.240 I did Warning Label, I did the limited color 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:06.380 palette because Webtoon liked the long -distance 00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:08.960 palette, but I didn't want to repeat it. And 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:15.079 that also was my first webcomic. different format 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:16.940 with the infinite vertical scroll and everything 00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:18.880 was built on you know all the panels are the 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.680 same size and then when i got into cupid's arrows 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.859 i started playing around a little more with that 00:31:23.859 --> 00:31:25.960 that scroll format and the things you could do 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.039 with it ghost whiskers i started bringing in 00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.019 textures trying to make it look like it was drawn 00:31:30.019 --> 00:31:33.740 on paper that had tooth to it so every time every 00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:35.460 time i come up with a new project even if the 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.220 general drawing style is similar there's always 00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:41.559 some other challenge i'm throwing in there to 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.220 something to explore something to become a new 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:47.279 tool in my toolbox very cool very cool so the 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.200 promotions for long distance the travel miles 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.859 club is currently going on now for the next 28 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:54.900 days for the kickstarter even though you already 00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:57.400 met your goal like we said there's a bunch of 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.559 stretch goals folks head on over there the link 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.519 will be in the show notes uh, for the Kickstarter. 00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:05.799 Uh, I will also link to Tom's website as well. 00:32:05.859 --> 00:32:08.400 You can get all his social media stuff over there. 00:32:08.539 --> 00:32:11.359 What else have you got going on? Anything else 00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.519 you want to promote or anything like that? Oh, 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.619 let's see. Um, ghost whiskers is my other new 00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:19.119 book that came out in January. It's about a boy 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.619 and his two cats who see ghosts. Um, that kind 00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:25.539 of got buried a little bit because of all the 00:32:25.539 --> 00:32:29.440 diamond stuff that happened. So, um, I want to 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.579 point people to that. Cupid's Arrows Volume 2 00:32:33.579 --> 00:32:36.019 just came out through Rocketship. I'm going to 00:32:36.019 --> 00:32:39.619 be drawing Angry Birds for Rocketship as well. 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.299 So when we wrap up here, I'm going to be drawing 00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:48.059 another page of that. Yeah, past that, there'll 00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.180 be more Lovin' Capes. There'll be more Cupid's 00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:53.819 Arrows. Those are both on deck. Yeah, I'm just 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.880 trying to keep making more stuff and traveling. 00:32:58.029 --> 00:33:01.269 at three conventions in a row i'm doing a my 00:33:01.269 --> 00:33:03.450 little pony convention in seattle and then i'll 00:33:03.450 --> 00:33:05.470 be at dragon con which i think is where you and 00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:08.390 i met right no i've never been to dragon con 00:33:08.390 --> 00:33:12.069 we've never met in person oh okay i thought we 00:33:12.069 --> 00:33:16.269 had sorry um and then uh you're probably thinking 00:33:16.269 --> 00:33:21.549 of michael bailey from from uh the fortress of 00:33:21.549 --> 00:33:24.720 bailey podcasting network or whatever. No, we've 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.859 never met. Yeah. Um, yeah. And then, uh, then 00:33:29.859 --> 00:33:32.279 I'll be in Germany for a, my little pony convention 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.839 the week after that. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah. 00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:39.539 Awesome. Awesome. All right, folks, that's, uh, 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.480 that's long distance. Then now, and, the travel 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.180 miles club and all that good stuff. Like I said, 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.019 the link will be in the show notes, head on over 00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:50.059 to the Kickstarter campaign, even though it's 00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:53.200 already fully funded. Get on over there. Get 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.119 whichever tier you prefer. Check it out. You 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.420 can now get the entire story, including the 20 00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:04.180 new pages of the Travel Miles Club. I'm telling 00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:07.619 you, folks, you're going to love this book. And 00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:10.059 if you don't, you have no soul and you're wrong. 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:16.480 So, yeah, that's going to do it for this episode 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.019 of The Pull Bag next time. 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