WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.560 Hey, this is Jason Marsden. You might have seen 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:06.500 me on SpaceGuideToSpace .com. You're listening 00:00:06.500 --> 00:00:09.179 to GeekCast Radio. Hey, it's Jesse Rass here, 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.339 and you've made the great escape into comics 00:00:12.339 --> 00:00:15.359 by jumping inside the pull bag today. You'd better 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.379 be wrong, Jor -El. You'd better be dead wrong. 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.420 Hello, folks. It is I, TFG1 Mike, from the GeekCast 00:00:21.420 --> 00:00:23.679 Radio Network. You are listening to The Pull 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:28.739 Bag. This is episode 573. Yes, I know we're late 00:00:28.739 --> 00:00:31.339 with this, but Dave McIlvaney and I recorded 00:00:31.339 --> 00:00:34.280 this sometime in 2024. I don't remember exactly 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.780 when. This is a new series for the Comic Book 00:00:37.780 --> 00:00:41.159 Podcast here on the Geekcast Radio Network. It's 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:46.299 called, what is it called? C -I -C -C. Characterizations 00:00:46.299 --> 00:00:50.039 in Comic Characters. And basically what this 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:52.600 is going to be is we look at one single character, 00:00:52.820 --> 00:00:55.920 Batman, Superman, Spider -Man, Iron Man, etc., 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.759 etc., etc. Per episode, we look at their history, 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.420 we look at their greatest moments in stories, 00:01:01.659 --> 00:01:03.820 we look at some of their not -so -great moments 00:01:03.820 --> 00:01:06.579 in stories, and we just have a fun discussion 00:01:06.579 --> 00:01:10.879 on that character. And to debut it, Dave McElvenny 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.879 and I decided to go with the Boy Scout himself, 00:01:14.340 --> 00:01:18.459 the American alien, the Kryptonian survivor, 00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:23.140 Superman, a .k .a. Clark Kent, mildman reporter 00:01:23.140 --> 00:01:26.810 at the Daily Planet. So... This is a test run, 00:01:26.890 --> 00:01:29.370 folks. I don't know if we're going to continue 00:01:29.370 --> 00:01:32.230 this. I wouldn't sit here and beg for feedback, 00:01:32.349 --> 00:01:36.450 but if you like this, email us, feedback at geekcastradio 00:01:36.450 --> 00:01:38.549 .com. Let us know if you want me to do more of 00:01:38.549 --> 00:01:41.829 these episodes or not. Thank you for listening 00:01:41.829 --> 00:01:44.549 all these years. The Pull Bag is about to celebrate 00:01:44.549 --> 00:01:49.129 12 years online in March, so that is awesome. 00:01:49.819 --> 00:01:52.640 and just have fun reading comic books, folks. 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:54.519 That's all there is to it. When you're reading 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.700 stories, just have fun with it. Make your greatest 00:01:57.700 --> 00:02:00.120 game in the comics and jump inside the episode 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.700 right now with me, TFG and Mike, and Dave McElvenny. 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:09.199 It's going to be a super discussion all about 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:13.400 this characterization in a comic book character 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:19.659 for Superman. Da -da -da -da! Wait, I don't think 00:02:19.659 --> 00:02:22.080 that's the right thing. Anyway, on with the show. 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:29.580 Martha? Martha? Shh, you'll wake him. Whoa, Martha, 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.780 what are you doing? Put that thing back. We don't 00:02:32.780 --> 00:02:35.659 know where it came from. He's not a thing, Jonathan. 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.860 He's a baby. A little baby. Who would put a baby 00:02:39.860 --> 00:02:42.840 in a spaceship? That's just my point. Could be 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.800 Russian. A Sputnik baby. Oh, really? Maybe he's 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.110 one of ours. You think NASA's missing a kid? 00:02:49.270 --> 00:02:52.030 I don't care where he came from. All I know is 00:02:52.030 --> 00:02:54.370 he needs us, Jonathan. Look how he's reaching 00:02:54.370 --> 00:03:00.150 out to you. Cute little fella. Got a good grip, 00:03:00.210 --> 00:03:04.550 too. Ow. Ow! Hello and welcome to The Pull Bag. 00:03:04.669 --> 00:03:09.289 This is episode 573, and I have no idea when 00:03:09.289 --> 00:03:11.289 this is going to come out, folks, because as 00:03:11.289 --> 00:03:14.009 of this recording, we haven't even released episode 00:03:14.009 --> 00:03:19.479 562 or 63. So we're 10 episodes ahead. Not really. 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.520 But I am, of course, TFG on mic. And returning 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:26.819 is the super Dave himself, Mr. David McElvenny. 00:03:26.860 --> 00:03:29.379 Hello, sir. How are you? Good. How are you, Mike? 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.479 Pretty good. Pretty good. And just like when 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.719 we started The Origins, 30 questions all about 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:42.289 comic reading 11 years ago. Almost 11 years later, 00:03:42.409 --> 00:03:44.710 I want to add something new to the podcast besides 00:03:44.710 --> 00:03:47.490 the origins, the reviews of comics, and what 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:50.050 can we add? Well, how about character studies? 00:03:50.250 --> 00:03:53.310 Now, comics and character studies and people 00:03:53.310 --> 00:03:55.550 on the internet that do all kinds of film studies 00:03:55.550 --> 00:03:57.030 and characters, they've all been done before, 00:03:57.270 --> 00:03:59.250 so this is probably nothing new. It's just our 00:03:59.250 --> 00:04:03.710 opinions on this stuff or kind of going through 00:04:03.710 --> 00:04:06.750 the history and saying what stories we do remember, 00:04:06.870 --> 00:04:08.509 don't remember, everything else. And with Dave 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:12.449 being... As knowledgeable as he is, notice I 00:04:12.449 --> 00:04:14.189 didn't use the term ancient. I used knowledgeable. 00:04:17.050 --> 00:04:19.269 There's probably not going to be any shortage 00:04:19.269 --> 00:04:21.329 because that's the short end of the stick, folks, 00:04:21.430 --> 00:04:25.889 is me. Because I know half of nothing or less 00:04:25.889 --> 00:04:27.850 than nothing about Superman when it comes to 00:04:27.850 --> 00:04:30.910 comics. Superman to me is Christopher Reeve. 00:04:31.009 --> 00:04:35.110 It's the cartoons. It's the TV shows. Some TV 00:04:35.110 --> 00:04:39.310 shows are better and worse than others. But basically, 00:04:39.470 --> 00:04:41.930 this is launching the new thing here inside the 00:04:41.930 --> 00:04:46.709 pull bag, the characterizations in comics characters, 00:04:47.149 --> 00:04:50.689 so CICC. We will highlight one comic character 00:04:50.689 --> 00:04:53.370 per podcast episode, go over their history in 00:04:53.370 --> 00:04:56.250 brief, talk about how many writers and artists 00:04:56.250 --> 00:04:59.009 have created for said character, and then go 00:04:59.009 --> 00:05:01.449 through some of that character's best and worst 00:05:01.449 --> 00:05:07.139 moments in comics. So that's the plan. Flying 00:05:07.139 --> 00:05:09.420 by the seat of my pants on this one, folks. Because 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:14.680 outside of, is it Romita Sr. or Jr.? And he's 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.480 the artist, isn't he? He's not the writer. Yeah, 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:20.300 see, folks, I am just dumb when it comes to Superman, 00:05:20.540 --> 00:05:27.220 unfortunately. When did you first pick up a Superman 00:05:27.220 --> 00:05:32.079 book? So long ago. I don't know if I could narrow 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.420 it down specifically, but probably about four 00:05:35.420 --> 00:05:39.040 or five years old. I really have very little 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:43.500 memory of not seeing comic books of any sort 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:48.459 before that. Maybe I did. You know, definitely 00:05:48.459 --> 00:05:52.899 by the time I was ready to go to school or, you 00:05:52.899 --> 00:05:54.740 know, in kindergarten, I know I was reading. 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:02.819 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And like I said, for 00:06:02.819 --> 00:06:07.490 me, I don't remember a lot of it. Oh, and I should 00:06:07.490 --> 00:06:12.129 clarify this, folks. When I say comics or characters 00:06:12.129 --> 00:06:17.769 in comics, whatever, we are going to be specifically 00:06:17.769 --> 00:06:20.850 talking about specific characters or specific 00:06:20.850 --> 00:06:23.889 people that were those characters. So if I said 00:06:23.889 --> 00:06:26.089 Superman, which I did, most people are going 00:06:26.089 --> 00:06:29.490 to assume Clark Kent, not any other version. 00:06:29.589 --> 00:06:32.029 But I do have in parentheses here for the title 00:06:32.029 --> 00:06:35.850 of the podcast to clarify Clark Kent. Bruce Wayne, 00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:38.870 Batman eventually, Tony Stark, Iron Man. There 00:06:38.870 --> 00:06:43.129 have been other characters that have played the 00:06:43.129 --> 00:06:46.329 title roles. I think outside of Wonder Woman. 00:06:46.389 --> 00:06:48.949 I don't think anybody else has been. I don't 00:06:48.949 --> 00:06:51.930 think they've. Yeah, that's not a thing. At least 00:06:51.930 --> 00:06:54.529 I don't think it is. So, but yes, specifically 00:06:54.529 --> 00:06:59.290 Clark Kent, Superman, Jerry. It's Joe Shuster 00:06:59.290 --> 00:07:01.269 and Jerry Siegel, right? Or did I get the names 00:07:01.269 --> 00:07:04.839 mixed up? You got them right. Okay, good. They 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:10.639 created the man back in 1938, and the origins 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:15.459 of this character, Last Son of Krypton. Oh, boy. 00:07:16.699 --> 00:07:22.779 What is your defining characterizations? For 00:07:22.779 --> 00:07:25.779 you, when you look at a Superman comic, what 00:07:25.779 --> 00:07:28.279 does that comic have to have for you to really 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.959 be like, this is a Superman comic I want to continue 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.500 reading? Well, for me, just overall, as far as 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:41.040 Superman's character, link it to that. It's, 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:46.259 you know, he does what he knows is right. You 00:07:46.259 --> 00:07:50.180 know, there's Elliot S. Magan famously wrote 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:56.839 in Miracle Monday that there's a right and a 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.379 wrong in this universe and the distinction is 00:07:59.379 --> 00:08:05.139 not very hard to make. Yeah, that's. His north 00:08:05.139 --> 00:08:08.860 star, if you will, for Superman, Superman sees 00:08:08.860 --> 00:08:12.720 what's right and does whatever he can to make 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.199 sure things, you know, that he's doing the right 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.959 thing. Now, you can argue about what the right 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:23.220 thing is, but, I mean, if you go back to Superman's 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:28.019 origin in the late 30s, basically the champion 00:08:28.019 --> 00:08:32.080 of the oppressed was, you know. During the Depression, 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:37.700 the world was preparing for war. Superman was 00:08:37.700 --> 00:08:43.860 doing things like making sure that wrongly convicted 00:08:43.860 --> 00:08:47.580 people did not go to the gas chamber or electric 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:54.940 chair. He would break up wars by forcing dictators 00:08:54.940 --> 00:08:58.940 to fight each other physically rather than send 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:03.580 young men to die in a war. He would tear down 00:09:03.580 --> 00:09:08.139 the slums and rebuild decent housing for people. 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.480 He was always looking out in those days for the 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.440 little guy who didn't really have any power, 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:21.340 which is probably top of mind for a couple of 00:09:21.340 --> 00:09:25.639 Jewish kids in Cleveland in the late 1930s. I'm 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.460 sure they didn't have a lot going for them and 00:09:28.460 --> 00:09:35.019 wanted a champion. Yeah. Yep. And I think that's 00:09:35.019 --> 00:09:37.360 a, I think that's a through line for a lot of 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:42.340 Superman's character is he's always trying to 00:09:42.340 --> 00:09:45.740 do right. I mean, I remember reading stories 00:09:45.740 --> 00:09:48.080 over the years, especially you would see them 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:54.659 in the silver age of like, they used to call 00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:59.320 them imaginary stories. Now they're elseworlds 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:03.080 kind of thing. Where they would imagine Superman 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.919 in some different reality. Where, you know, he 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.519 was found and raised by, you know, a criminal. 00:10:10.659 --> 00:10:14.559 Or he, you know, his rocket landed in Africa 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:18.340 and he was raised by apes. He grew up in a place 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:22.940 like Tarzan. Or even later on in Superman Red 00:10:22.940 --> 00:10:28.480 Son, Soviet Russia. Yeah. No matter what sort 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:32.620 of environment. you know, he's bound in, at some 00:10:32.620 --> 00:10:36.259 point in the story, he becomes a recognizable 00:10:36.259 --> 00:10:41.940 to us Superman, where he's not going to, you 00:10:41.940 --> 00:10:46.460 know, fight to conquer or fight to oppress people, 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.820 take away their, you know, human rights. You 00:10:50.820 --> 00:10:52.700 know, even if that's the way he's been brought 00:10:52.700 --> 00:10:56.259 up in some different society, at some point in 00:10:56.259 --> 00:11:02.340 the story, wait a minute, why would I be doing 00:11:02.340 --> 00:11:05.360 this? I have all this power. I should be helping. 00:11:06.340 --> 00:11:12.440 Yeah. To me, that's super helpful. Yeah, absolutely. 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:14.659 And the funny thing is I was looking through 00:11:14.659 --> 00:11:19.659 the Geekast Radio Network, the pull bag history 00:11:19.659 --> 00:11:28.340 here for hope. It is the best thing I can look 00:11:28.340 --> 00:11:32.200 to say, but yeah, Superman and the pull bag have 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:40.200 not gotten along. Because when I started the 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.059 pull bag 11, 12, 11 and a half, 12 years ago, 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.159 I figured, okay, I like Batman. I like Superman, 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.360 but there's too much there. And at that time 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.019 in 2013, we were two years, two or three years 00:11:52.019 --> 00:11:56.190 into New 52. And I didn't at the time, and I 00:11:56.190 --> 00:11:58.190 can always go back and change my mind on this, 00:11:58.269 --> 00:12:01.750 folks, but I wasn't really excited about New 00:12:01.750 --> 00:12:04.230 52 Superman at the time. I don't know what it 00:12:04.230 --> 00:12:09.269 was. It just wasn't my thing. But we do have, 00:12:09.350 --> 00:12:12.529 there should be four, but I'll tell the story 00:12:12.529 --> 00:12:15.250 why there isn't four in a minute. We have three 00:12:15.250 --> 00:12:17.629 episodes of The Pullback dedicated to Superman 00:12:17.629 --> 00:12:20.110 so far, and unfortunately we started off on the 00:12:20.110 --> 00:12:23.409 Frank Miller foot of the DC Black label Superman 00:12:23.409 --> 00:12:28.639 Year One, issues number one and two. So the story 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.120 behind that and why my buddy Joe and I never 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.940 finished with that third issue is because I saw 00:12:33.940 --> 00:12:36.159 the solicitation for the first two issues of 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.779 that. I thought were cool. Oh, this is a different 00:12:38.779 --> 00:12:41.340 Superman origin. Again, you can you can have 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:43.139 different writers to different origins, all that 00:12:43.139 --> 00:12:45.720 fine thing, whatever, as long as the character 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.460 has similar, you know, whatever to each incarnation. 00:12:50.509 --> 00:12:53.090 as far as his morals and personality go so we 00:12:53.090 --> 00:12:54.889 got to the first two issues and i'm like okay 00:12:54.889 --> 00:12:57.090 this is cool this is interesting this is fun 00:12:57.090 --> 00:13:01.409 i read this list for the third issue super uh 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:04.210 dc black label superman year one number three 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:06.409 written by frank miller i forget who the artist 00:13:06.409 --> 00:13:09.289 was off the top of my head but written by frank 00:13:09.289 --> 00:13:12.529 miller issue number three we're gonna go to gotham 00:13:12.529 --> 00:13:14.789 and we're gonna bring diana in so we have the 00:13:14.789 --> 00:13:17.789 holy trinity and i just immediately said Sorry, 00:13:17.830 --> 00:13:20.129 Joe, we're not finished in this. And I never 00:13:20.129 --> 00:13:23.029 not even if a comic is bad and I don't like it, 00:13:23.049 --> 00:13:26.690 I will usually finish it because they were bringing 00:13:26.690 --> 00:13:29.970 like I felt that that story was Superman. You 00:13:29.970 --> 00:13:32.470 can tell a three, especially those black label 00:13:32.470 --> 00:13:34.470 books that they were doing. They were only three 00:13:34.470 --> 00:13:36.929 issues. You can tell a full on Superman story 00:13:36.929 --> 00:13:40.450 without having to bring in the other two of the 00:13:40.450 --> 00:13:45.570 Trinity. You know, like. Oh, God. And I mentioned 00:13:45.570 --> 00:13:47.350 to my buddy Joe the other day, I said, you know, 00:13:47.370 --> 00:13:49.610 maybe we should really finish that stuff at this 00:13:49.610 --> 00:13:51.789 point, because it's been years since we covered 00:13:51.789 --> 00:13:55.389 that. And then earlier this year, we did episode 00:13:55.389 --> 00:13:59.009 552. 52, folks. Get it? DC, yada, yada, yada. 00:13:59.190 --> 00:14:03.250 Ha, ha, ha. We did Superman Unchained, which 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:06.909 was the Scott Snyder story. And the reason why 00:14:06.909 --> 00:14:08.870 I wanted to do that one was because I had already 00:14:08.870 --> 00:14:10.889 read all Scott Snyder's Batman. I want to see 00:14:10.889 --> 00:14:14.470 how he handled Superman. think uh from what i 00:14:14.470 --> 00:14:16.129 remember from that episode my buddy ryan and 00:14:16.129 --> 00:14:21.309 i we liked it but it was a nice little one -off 00:14:21.309 --> 00:14:24.230 it was never an ongoing kind of thing so that's 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:26.570 kind of that my history with superman comics 00:14:26.570 --> 00:14:29.929 as far as that goes everything else has been 00:14:29.929 --> 00:14:36.440 movies tv cartoons etc so I'm doing this specific 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.799 one to see if we have... Maybe I'm going to go 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:42.779 back and read some Superman comics at some point. 00:14:42.820 --> 00:14:46.379 I don't know. What is your... Okay, let's see. 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.659 Follow the thing I set out here. The man has 00:14:50.659 --> 00:14:54.840 had a very varied history since 1938 -39 when 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:00.600 he debuted, and he's gone through a whole lot 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:04.159 of stories. 57, no, it's like, what is it, over 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:08.200 75? Is it 75 years? Jeez. It's longer than that. 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:15.620 Yeah, I'm doing the math. 1932. I have 86 years 00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:19.720 at this point. Yeah, 86 years. It's almost 100, 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.059 close to 100. Yeah, 86 years of Superman, folks. 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.679 So you said as long as his main part of his character 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.259 is he's always doing right. Do we think because, 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:36.419 I mean, most babies that get sent to Earth from 00:15:36.419 --> 00:15:38.820 a different planet don't really have time to... 00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:44.120 Does Jor -El and Lara have any impact on his 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.299 character in the way he is, or is it all Jonathan 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:50.279 and Martha? Well, you can argue back and forth 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.220 depending on what stories you read. You know, 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:59.299 in the origin story back in 1938. He was essentially 00:15:59.299 --> 00:16:03.179 an infant when he arrived on Earth. But if you 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:08.179 go later on in books, in the Silver Age, he was 00:16:08.179 --> 00:16:11.080 probably a little older than that, probably a 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:16.559 toddler when Jonathan and Martha found him. So 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:22.019 in most Silver Age stories, he has some memory 00:16:22.019 --> 00:16:25.179 of Krypton, and he has some memory of Jor -El 00:16:25.179 --> 00:16:29.429 and Lara. So in some of those stories, because 00:16:29.429 --> 00:16:32.929 again, it depends on what time period you're 00:16:32.929 --> 00:16:36.070 looking at. In some cases, you can say, well, 00:16:36.250 --> 00:16:40.669 it's the innate goodness of his parents that 00:16:40.669 --> 00:16:45.429 is coming through in him. Right. In fact, in 00:16:45.429 --> 00:16:52.549 one Bronze Age story, there's a story where the 00:16:52.549 --> 00:16:58.340 guardians of the universe. They decide that either 00:16:58.340 --> 00:17:01.460 Jor -El or Lara would have made a good Green 00:17:01.460 --> 00:17:06.940 Lantern. And so the mixture of those genes, C 00:17:06.940 --> 00:17:12.039 -L -L, they thought, well, we could make him 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.420 the leader of an independent Green Lantern Corps 00:17:17.420 --> 00:17:21.380 just based on his genetic heritage. And then 00:17:21.380 --> 00:17:24.000 once he got sent to Earth and he became Superman, 00:17:24.059 --> 00:17:26.170 they decided, well... When the universe gives 00:17:26.170 --> 00:17:29.069 you a Superman, you don't turn him into a Green 00:17:29.069 --> 00:17:35.069 Lantern. But that story sort of implied that 00:17:35.069 --> 00:17:38.829 a lot of his indie character came from his parents. 00:17:39.650 --> 00:17:43.210 But also, you've got to look at it as he grew 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:49.890 up in Smallville with Martha. And in a lot of 00:17:49.890 --> 00:17:54.210 the Superboy stories in Silver Age, they're... 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.900 you know, helping him through his early years 00:17:58.900 --> 00:18:02.559 as a young superhero and giving him guidance 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.240 as to, you know, what's wrong. Maybe he's going 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:11.940 that way, this way. So you can kind of lay it 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:15.460 either way. You can say it's genetics, you know, 00:18:15.460 --> 00:18:19.460 it's nature or nurture. Genetics for how he was 00:18:19.460 --> 00:18:22.359 brought up. Or, you know, I kind of think of 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.640 it as a combination. Although, there was obviously 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.480 some innate goodness in him. But, you know, Jonathan 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.559 and Martha Kent obviously helped that along. 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.279 It's never easy. Yeah. You know, you can really 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.720 look at it however you want. A lot of, you know, 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.079 I think a lot of the other stories that I've 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.099 only read about haven't been read. It's kind 00:18:48.099 --> 00:19:00.950 of ever popular, dark, and pretty. Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:05.529 --> 00:19:12.049 Well, yeah, I mean, you know, unless, what is 00:19:12.049 --> 00:19:17.829 it? Blue, yellow, red. I forget which one changes 00:19:17.829 --> 00:19:23.789 him. Yes. That's what I thought. Like, yeah, 00:19:23.829 --> 00:19:27.250 generally he's a good guy unless he's got. Red 00:19:27.250 --> 00:19:30.730 Kryptonite poisoning somewhere. Yeah. Oh, boy. 00:19:31.890 --> 00:19:36.069 I know. It's Silver Age silliness, but... No, 00:19:36.109 --> 00:19:40.509 no, no. I mean, look, you know, you can't... 00:19:40.509 --> 00:19:43.930 Yeah, you say it may be Silver Age silliness, 00:19:44.009 --> 00:19:46.569 but that's what it was. It's like, you know, 00:19:46.609 --> 00:19:50.349 okay, well, the green Kryptonite kills him. Well... 00:19:50.809 --> 00:19:53.789 Krypton was made of other parts or other whatevers. 00:19:53.950 --> 00:19:56.549 Let's see what happens with other colors. Like, 00:19:56.609 --> 00:20:01.009 you know, I mean, that's like the lantern core. 00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:03.869 Again, going back to them. It's not just green 00:20:03.869 --> 00:20:06.549 lanterns. It's yellow lanterns. It's red lanterns. 00:20:06.549 --> 00:20:09.430 It's orange lanterns. It's indigo lanterns. It's 00:20:09.430 --> 00:20:12.269 like there's a color for everything. So, you 00:20:12.269 --> 00:20:15.670 know, this is what it is. But, yeah. And I, yeah, 00:20:15.769 --> 00:20:19.289 I don't know. I never had an interest, and I 00:20:19.289 --> 00:20:22.089 don't know if there's any comics that could be 00:20:22.089 --> 00:20:24.569 recommended to me to make me have an interest. 00:20:24.930 --> 00:20:28.690 It was never interesting to me to have him on 00:20:28.690 --> 00:20:31.349 Crypt. The point of the interesting part of the 00:20:31.349 --> 00:20:35.869 story is that this is a baby whose parents are 00:20:35.869 --> 00:20:38.549 trying to save him by shipping him off to Earth. 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:43.980 that poor soul uh to you know escape the exploding 00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:47.160 planet because the planet's gonna explode and 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.839 they want to save their son so yeah obviously 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:53.319 the story mainly is gonna be with with earth 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:55.420 and with the kents and everything else the funny 00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:57.819 thing for me is i never had an interest in the 00:20:57.819 --> 00:21:02.940 superboy part of it it was always he lands you 00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:07.000 see him you know pick the truck up in his red 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.220 underwear uh i'm specifically meaning the movie 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:13.259 because you know similar to what you'll see in 00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:16.079 a lot of the early yeah yeah exactly he picks 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:19.220 the truck up you get maybe a few little montage 00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:21.980 scenes and the next thing you know he's you know 00:21:21.980 --> 00:21:24.559 pushing his glasses up for the first time and 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.299 oh well gee uh lois i don't know too much about 00:21:28.299 --> 00:21:31.039 uh all that kind of stuff being from smallville 00:21:34.059 --> 00:21:37.859 And I'm not here. I'm not like I what I've read 00:21:37.859 --> 00:21:40.220 of the character and what I've seen of the character 00:21:40.220 --> 00:21:43.240 in my lifetime and 44 years of me being on this 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.319 planet. I love aspects of the character. The 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.240 point of this is specifically for this episode 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:52.539 is for me to learn and figure out what other 00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:55.339 Superman stories I may want to cover on the podcast 00:21:55.339 --> 00:21:59.019 in the future. But yeah, his character. And his 00:21:59.019 --> 00:22:01.059 personality, like you said, at the end of the 00:22:01.059 --> 00:22:02.920 day, as long as he's doing good, as long as he's 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:07.839 doing the right thing for all humankind kind 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.880 of thing. What was your most, out of all the 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:12.500 Superman stories you've read, what was the most 00:22:12.500 --> 00:22:15.319 interesting one to you? Interesting you ask that 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.500 because one of my all -time favorite stories 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:23.420 is what we used to call an imaginary story. Where 00:22:23.420 --> 00:22:26.519 it's, you know, as they used to say, you know, 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.819 this is a story that... Didn't happen, but maybe 00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:35.259 it will someday. It was the amazing story of 00:22:35.259 --> 00:22:40.559 Superman Red, Superman Blue, where it starts 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:45.019 out with Superman having a big list that he has 00:22:45.019 --> 00:22:48.619 made. I think he's been scolded by the people 00:22:48.619 --> 00:22:53.180 in the bottle city of Kandor. You promised to 00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:57.240 expand our city to normal size, and you've never 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:01.200 done it. and all these other jobs that you promised 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.940 to do and you haven't done them. So maybe you 00:23:04.940 --> 00:23:08.799 should switch places with one of us, and your 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.880 replacement can do all these things. And so he's 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.980 got this big, long list. He wants to eliminate 00:23:15.980 --> 00:23:20.319 all crime and evil. He wants to get rid of all 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:24.359 the kryptonite on Earth. He wants to enlarge 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:27.420 the bottle city of Kandor. He wants to do all 00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:31.339 these different things. And so he's like, I'm 00:23:31.339 --> 00:23:33.660 going to do this. This is it. And again, this 00:23:33.660 --> 00:23:39.660 is an imaginary story. So he cobbles together 00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:45.420 this weird sort of helmet or crown, if you like, 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:51.339 powered by all different colors of kryptonite. 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.099 And he goes in this glass box. puts this thing 00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:59.500 on his head because it's going to make him like 00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:03.000 a hundred times smarter than he is. And he'll 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.599 be able to figure out all this stuff. And he 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:09.059 puts this on and, you know, Supergirl's there 00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:11.279 with him and she turns the power on on the machine. 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.220 And very quickly, he starts screaming in pain. 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.440 And she said, no, no, you got to stop. No, no, 00:24:18.460 --> 00:24:20.980 keep going. We're going to do this. And then, 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:26.059 you know, the machine explodes. And the dust 00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:30.140 clears, and there are now two superheroes. One 00:24:30.140 --> 00:24:32.920 of them, his uniform is essentially all red, 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.319 and the other one, his uniform is essentially 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:39.920 all blue. And they each have Superman's powers, 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:45.759 but they are each many, many times smarter than 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.240 the original superhero. So they decide, well, 00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:51.920 we can work together and solve all the world's 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.319 problems. Basically, that's kind of what they 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:00.660 do. They go and they build a set of orbiting 00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:06.660 satellites that emit an anti -evil ray. Because, 00:25:06.700 --> 00:25:08.640 of course, it's the Silver Age, so you can do 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:15.480 that. And so this thing, it eliminates all evil 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:20.380 thoughts from everybody on Earth. And so now, 00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:23.279 all the criminals... who are on Earth, and all 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.980 the bad people on Earth, they're now good. They 00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:28.819 want to do good things. Lex Luthor, he decides 00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:33.420 he's going to help. So he creates a serum that 00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:38.559 will cure all diseases. It cures cancer, it cures 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.660 his baldness, it cures whatever, anything that's 00:25:41.660 --> 00:25:44.819 wrong with him. And so he gives it to the Superman, 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:47.460 and he says, just put drops of this in the water 00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:50.220 supplies all around the world, and it will cure 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:54.710 every illness. on Earth. This is how powerful 00:25:54.710 --> 00:25:58.410 this thing is that Luthor has created. Like I 00:25:58.410 --> 00:26:02.750 said, it brings his hair back. So he does that. 00:26:02.950 --> 00:26:08.950 And once this happens, we see Supergirl letting 00:26:08.950 --> 00:26:11.670 everybody out of the Phantom. Superman's like, 00:26:11.789 --> 00:26:16.150 what happened? Did the evil Rey work backwards 00:26:16.150 --> 00:26:21.049 on her? Now, I realize that It will work on them 00:26:21.049 --> 00:26:24.509 too. So take them out of the phantom zone and 00:26:24.509 --> 00:26:27.990 they will be exposed to the anti -ghost. So they'll 00:26:27.990 --> 00:26:33.309 be good with their superpowers. So they've got 00:26:33.309 --> 00:26:35.910 rid of all the evil on earth and all of the evil 00:26:35.910 --> 00:26:38.750 in the phantom zone. And Brainiac happens to 00:26:38.750 --> 00:26:45.710 come to earth and it works on him. But it works 00:26:45.710 --> 00:26:50.359 on him so he joins in. Interesting. The two Supermen 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:54.319 figure out how to enlarge the bottle city of 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:58.059 Kandor. They also figure out how to eliminate 00:26:58.059 --> 00:27:01.359 Kryptonite. And basically what they do with the 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:09.519 Kryptonite is they send it all back to the original 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:15.319 location in Krypton. And in the process, it reverses 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:22.920 the explosion. And now there is this planet no 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:27.960 longer radioactive orbiting the Red Sun was rich 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:41.480 and then the Superman go and Must take a rocket 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:54.599 ship And they the bottle city of kandor so they 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.460 recreate the ecosystem and it turns out then 00:27:57.460 --> 00:27:59.960 that the people from the bottle city of kandor 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:03.359 they've lived their lives in a kryptonian environment 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.279 they want to keep doing that but they want to 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.000 do it at their normal size on their home planet 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:17.359 so he has a space arc he like enlarges them all 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.400 He takes them back to Krypton and larges the 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.319 Bottle City on Krypton. So now there's this fully 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.140 built city on Krypton and a full -size population 00:28:29.140 --> 00:28:33.279 for the city. So they're back on Krypton. Ooh, 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:38.019 technical difficulties. Let's move on, shall 00:28:38.019 --> 00:28:41.039 we? They've got that. And all these good things 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.720 are happening. And then they decide, well, there's 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.369 two of us. Superman, Red, and Blue. The big question 00:28:48.369 --> 00:28:52.809 has always been lowest or lowest. Oh, God. They 00:28:52.809 --> 00:28:57.250 each get one. They each get one. So they have 00:28:57.250 --> 00:29:03.430 to decide who gets which one. So as you do, they 00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:06.470 take two steel girders and bend them into the 00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:10.390 shape of L's. So they've got L, L. L, L. And 00:29:10.390 --> 00:29:14.269 they go on top of a mountain during a thunderstorm. 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.160 What they decide is, whichever one has their 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.779 elf struck by lightning first gets first choice. 00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:28.319 Is that so romantic? Okay. Okay. So, of course, 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:32.400 as would happen, both are struck at the same 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:37.160 time. Of course. Now, you know, now how do we 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.700 decide? And the one says, well, if I had had 00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:43.660 first choice, I would have picked Flo. The other 00:29:43.660 --> 00:29:46.450 one says, well, I would have picked Lance. There 00:29:46.450 --> 00:29:50.150 you go. Problem solved. Problem solved. They 00:29:50.150 --> 00:29:52.930 each get to marry the woman that they want. And 00:29:52.930 --> 00:29:56.289 it's a triple wedding because Jimmy Olsen and 00:29:56.289 --> 00:29:58.950 Lucy Linning get married too. So all three of 00:29:58.950 --> 00:30:02.450 them are getting married. So all this wonderful 00:30:02.450 --> 00:30:06.269 stuff. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jimmy and 00:30:06.269 --> 00:30:10.670 Lucy got married to each other? Yeah. Because 00:30:10.670 --> 00:30:16.140 they've been dating forever. Oh, okay. So. So 00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:18.619 now everybody's married off. All these meeting 00:30:18.619 --> 00:30:22.039 characters that have been romantically thwarted 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.779 for years are now all married. And they decide, 00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:29.579 well, the one Superman, I think it's Superman 00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:34.700 Red, decides, well, he wants to go back to Krypton. 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.779 He doesn't want to be a superhero. He wants to 00:30:37.779 --> 00:30:41.140 be a regular Kryptonian. Right. Supergirl says, 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:47.509 well, I'll go too. Crypto and Super Horse, of 00:30:47.509 --> 00:30:54.890 course, his powers are based on magic. So they'll 00:30:54.890 --> 00:31:00.529 have some super being on. So they all go back 00:31:00.529 --> 00:31:04.789 to Krypton. But the other Superman, blue, he 00:31:04.789 --> 00:31:09.009 decides he'll stay on Earth. The Earth doesn't 00:31:09.009 --> 00:31:10.650 really need him because there's no more crime. 00:31:10.809 --> 00:31:15.980 There's no illness. So. He just sends his robots 00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:19.059 out, you know, to take care of emergencies that 00:31:19.059 --> 00:31:25.059 arise. And he devotes himself to the study of 00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:29.279 science with his mother, Jor -El. He and Lois 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.880 have a couple of kids. They settle down on Krypton. 00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:36.859 Superman Red and Anna have a couple of kids. 00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:42.779 Skype intergalactically or Zoom intergalactically 00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:46.619 with each other between Earth and Krypton. Everybody 00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.119 seems to be living happily ever after, but the 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.559 story ends with, so what do you think, reader? 00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:56.160 Who is happier, Superman Red and Lana or Superman 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.519 Blue and Lois? But I just love that story because 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.359 to me, it's the happy ending that everybody deserves. 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.839 I always say, whenever somebody brings up... 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.279 the Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:16.059 story that was the end of that continuity before 00:32:16.059 --> 00:32:19.920 the John Byrne reboot. They should have just 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.920 republished Superman. Everybody gets a happy 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.559 ending. Because Whatever Happened to the Man 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:33.359 of Tomorrow is not a happy ending. Many long 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:38.400 -time characters die horribly, including Krypto. 00:32:38.619 --> 00:32:41.559 Like, don't kill the dog. Yeah, don't kill. What 00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.240 do you want to kill the dog for? Come on, man. 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:49.599 Don't kill the dog. That's ridiculous. That just 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.299 reinforced my love of Superman, Red and Superman. 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.960 I like that story better. Again, that's my opinion. 00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.460 I know a lot of people like the other story better, 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.279 but it gets to decide what they like. Well, and 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.940 again, I mean, that's why I had you here. It 00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:09.180 was because, you know, to give your opinion. 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.740 And it's fine. I have strong opinions. Don't 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:16.720 we all? Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.420 got one. There is no wrong opinion. There's just 00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:27.000 smellier ones than others. So, yeah, for me with 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.539 it, like. Now, looking at Superman Red and Blue, 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.359 I'm like, oh, that's where those Funko Pops come 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:39.359 from. They come from the modern story, the 1998 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.839 story. Yeah. Because I kept seeing, I'm like, 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.400 oh, that's cool. They repainted Superman, not 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.039 thinking, oh, right, it's not just Funko repainting 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.220 the Funko Pop. It's them making an homage to 00:33:52.220 --> 00:33:55.789 something, which is really cool. And again, I 00:33:55.789 --> 00:33:59.109 think I want to read the original Silver Age 00:33:59.109 --> 00:34:05.670 story, even though those colors are a lot. Well, 00:34:05.829 --> 00:34:10.829 I mean, I'm a big fan of Silver Age because that's 00:34:10.829 --> 00:34:14.869 when I grew up. But even I will admit, some of 00:34:14.869 --> 00:34:17.010 the stories, when you read them, you just go, 00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:20.210 what? well yeah i mean this is the same thing 00:34:20.210 --> 00:34:22.809 i did with like the marvel transformers issues 00:34:22.809 --> 00:34:28.530 from the 80s like what why are you what oh yeah 00:34:28.530 --> 00:34:31.409 no and that's the thing and i don't say that 00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:34.190 judgingly to the point of oh my god that's the 00:34:34.190 --> 00:34:36.409 worst thing it's just like it's more confusion 00:34:36.409 --> 00:34:41.369 than being judgmental yeah and it's like how 00:34:41.369 --> 00:34:46.710 do they get away with that Oh, I'll be judgmental 00:34:46.710 --> 00:34:50.670 about some stuff, too. Well, yeah, but at this 00:34:50.670 --> 00:34:52.889 point, since I've never read any of these things, 00:34:52.989 --> 00:34:55.070 again, like I said earlier in the episode, the 00:34:55.070 --> 00:34:57.630 point is to see if there's stuff that I want 00:34:57.630 --> 00:35:00.210 to cover on the podcast in the future. But just 00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:04.070 seeing that classic quote -unquote classic 1998 00:35:04.070 --> 00:35:08.809 cover with the blue and white and red and white, 00:35:08.909 --> 00:35:11.750 just those are the red and blue super... And 00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:13.929 then looking at the small little image Wikipedia 00:35:13.929 --> 00:35:16.769 has for the original Silver Age story you just 00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:20.429 synopsized for us, I'm like, ooh, all red and 00:35:20.429 --> 00:35:22.530 all blue. And technically that's not all blue, 00:35:22.590 --> 00:35:24.650 because if that was all blue, his S would be 00:35:24.650 --> 00:35:28.690 blue, not red and yellow. Oh, I think that was 00:35:28.690 --> 00:35:31.750 branding. I think the DC didn't want to mess 00:35:31.750 --> 00:35:35.309 with that symbol. Yeah, probably. I mean, nowadays 00:35:35.309 --> 00:35:37.690 they might well do that, because there are so 00:35:37.690 --> 00:35:56.440 many different S symbols now. Yeah. Yep, yep. 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:18.400 I'm trying to see here. And obviously I know 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.780 this is, I think I probably asked you this in 00:36:20.780 --> 00:36:22.659 your origins episode, but I don't remember. It's 00:36:22.659 --> 00:36:25.619 been so long and I'm old. And yes, I know I'm 00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:28.340 not that old, but I'm old. I have brain damage, 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:33.300 damn it. Leave me alone. But has there ever been 00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:36.179 a Superman story where they twisted his character 00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:39.500 so much that you just didn't want to read it? 00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:45.059 Or do you read everything anyway? Well, as far 00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:48.059 as the stuff I grew up with, I would say, no, 00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.300 there's, there's never been a story, but there 00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:54.639 have been times where I've, especially more modern 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.800 times where I go, that just doesn't feel right. 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:03.039 Yeah. You know, I, I remember when, when John 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:09.730 Byrne, I would, I would practically. because 00:37:09.730 --> 00:37:13.230 it was like, this is not Superman I grew up loving. 00:37:13.989 --> 00:37:17.889 First of all, and again, I understand it because 00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:21.909 many people did not like the idea of Superboy. 00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:25.050 So one of the things he did was get rid of Superboy. 00:37:25.650 --> 00:37:29.050 I always liked the characters. If you get rid 00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:33.190 of him, I'm inclined not to like what you're 00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:37.050 doing. Not just for the character of Superboy, 00:37:37.170 --> 00:37:41.460 but for other beloved set of characters for me, 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.659 the Legion of Superheroes. 30th century superhero 00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:50.960 teenagers who were inspired by Superboy and who 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.900 came back from the 30th century to the 20th century 00:37:54.900 --> 00:38:00.699 to prank Superboy and invite him to come to the 00:38:00.699 --> 00:38:07.119 30th century and, you know, eventually had him 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.500 join the Legion. So you get rid of Superboy, 00:38:10.659 --> 00:38:14.840 you really have to deal with what does that mean 00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:19.440 for Supergirl? I didn't really like what came 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.800 from that. And that was kind of my first big 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.460 thing. I could read through the John Byrne reboot, 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.420 but I don't want to say it was hate reading. 00:38:31.579 --> 00:38:35.780 If I hate something, I just won't read it. But 00:38:35.780 --> 00:38:40.900 I wasn't enjoying it. the way I wanted. Yeah. 00:38:41.139 --> 00:38:44.320 Well, I got to give this guy a shot. And similarly 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.739 later on, because after that I kind of petered 00:38:48.739 --> 00:38:54.139 out reading a lot of Superman. But then when 00:38:54.139 --> 00:38:58.219 Brian Michael Bendis came along and everybody 00:38:58.219 --> 00:39:02.320 was leaving, he's doing a new version of Superman. 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.420 And I thought, well, let me see what that's like. 00:39:07.050 --> 00:39:12.510 I started reading some of his stuff and it was 00:39:12.510 --> 00:39:18.449 okay for me, but not great. But he, as, as somebody 00:39:18.449 --> 00:39:23.530 explained to me, he writes for a long story. 00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:28.809 I grew up on comics where you could read three 00:39:28.809 --> 00:39:34.750 Superman stories. Yeah. Whereas I read, I think 00:39:34.750 --> 00:39:38.079 I read the first year. Brian Michael Benson. 00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:41.960 And I'm like, I'm 12 issues in and I haven't 00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:47.400 read a complete story. It's just long, meandering. 00:39:47.699 --> 00:39:51.360 When is it going to get to the point? And eventually 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.019 I gave up on that. This is not what I read comics. 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:02.679 No shade to people who like that. So I can't 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.019 say I got to the point where it's like... No, 00:40:05.059 --> 00:40:09.320 I can't stand this version of Superman. Or I 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.219 don't really like this kind of storytelling. 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.960 I don't think it's doing anything horrible for 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:23.679 the characters. Yeah. I usually give writers 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.699 one story arc. If they're only going to be there 00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:29.260 for one story arc, I will try their one story 00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:34.800 arc. which is usually six issues. And then I 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.440 will try the next person's story arc. But usually 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.699 after that seventh issue, if it's not really 00:40:40.699 --> 00:40:44.159 grabbing me, I'm like, and this is with any comic, 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.039 this isn't just superhero stuff, but anything 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.199 like, you know, I'll give you a shot, but you. 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:56.019 Especially with comics having to be monthly and 00:40:56.019 --> 00:40:59.159 have to get the monthly people coming back, coming 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.199 back. You better do something in your number 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:03.780 one or your number two issue that's going to 00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:06.239 make me want to stick with this the whole time. 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.739 And if you don't, then I'm just going to respectfully 00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:12.860 move on to something else that I want to enjoy. 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:18.679 I'm at the point now, partly because I can't 00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:23.730 put the investment in. 12 or 15 or 20 issues 00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:26.829 before I get to the point of the story. But also 00:41:26.829 --> 00:41:30.289 it's like beyond that, I'm cheap. And so what 00:41:30.289 --> 00:41:32.769 I usually do, if there's something I think I 00:41:32.769 --> 00:41:35.750 might be interested in, I will wait until the 00:41:35.750 --> 00:41:39.369 trade comes out and then go to my local library 00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:44.469 and see if they have it. I'm not spending a ton 00:41:44.469 --> 00:41:46.409 of money on a story that I don't know whether 00:41:46.409 --> 00:41:49.929 I'm going to like, but also I know if I pick 00:41:49.929 --> 00:41:52.699 up the trade. I can probably get the complete 00:41:52.699 --> 00:41:56.280 story. Yeah. Rather than waiting monthly, you 00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:01.900 know, month after month after month. Yeah. That's 00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:06.000 the one thing I wish that the big two would have 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.960 switched coming out of the pandemic. I wish, 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.960 and I know that they'll never do this, that they'll 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.280 still be selling monthly books long after any 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.519 of us are gone kind of thing. But I wish that. 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.659 the pandemic would have done something to these 00:42:22.659 --> 00:42:26.219 two comic book companies to where, oh, we need 00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:29.340 to change this up. Let's start selling trade 00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:33.820 paperbacks. Let's start, instead of piecemealing 00:42:33.820 --> 00:42:35.780 month to month to month to have these people 00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:38.119 come back, let's give them the whole story. Let's 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.599 write stories to be whole, you know, collected 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.300 edition stories kind of thing and not worry about. 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:48.820 the month to month to month to month to month. 00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.880 And yes, I know that is a higher cost that let's 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.940 just say for, it's usually issues one to five 00:42:54.940 --> 00:42:57.820 or one to six. If it's an ongoing, let's just 00:42:57.820 --> 00:43:02.340 say that's anywhere from 15 to $30 per trade 00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:06.599 per month. You're basically, I'm now seeing the 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.300 flow on this logic because if you like more than 00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:11.199 just one character, then you're going to be spending 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.849 a hell of a lot more money. But yeah. I don't 00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:18.130 know. You're right. I've been waiting for the 00:43:18.130 --> 00:43:20.409 trade forever most of the time. Half the time 00:43:20.409 --> 00:43:23.769 when we cover comics on the podcast, it's in 00:43:23.769 --> 00:43:26.769 trade. I don't do single -issue reviews unless 00:43:26.769 --> 00:43:32.090 it's specifically something like the DC Black 00:43:32.090 --> 00:43:34.090 Label stuff. They said these are just going to 00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:38.909 be three -issue miniseries. Okay, fine. I think 00:43:38.909 --> 00:43:40.570 the Superman one is the only one we covered, 00:43:40.670 --> 00:43:42.650 and we didn't even finish it, folks. So what 00:43:42.650 --> 00:43:47.150 does that tell you about DC Black Label? I don't 00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:50.909 know. So you mentioned Byrne. You mentioned Bendis. 00:43:51.989 --> 00:43:57.190 Who would you say, for you, is your favorite? 00:43:57.409 --> 00:43:59.489 And I know I asked you this way back when, but 00:43:59.489 --> 00:44:02.989 looking at all of the writers, looking at everything 00:44:02.989 --> 00:44:06.650 that has been written with Superman and stories, 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.679 Who are your favorite storytellers when it comes 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.000 to The Man of Steel, when it comes to the writers? 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:17.880 I would say probably either at or very close 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.099 to the top for me is L .A. Das Magnus. I really 00:44:22.099 --> 00:44:25.460 like the stories that he wrote for the comics, 00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:31.659 but even beyond that, his novels. He had the 00:44:31.659 --> 00:44:39.059 first one he wrote, Superman. And then my favorite 00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:43.920 of his is the Oracle Fundamentals. They're novels, 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.480 and they're not, like, if you just, at the time 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.719 it came out, if you picked up Superman, Last 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.219 Son of Krypton, you would think it was based 00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:55.860 on one of the Christopher Reeves movies, because 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:59.400 that's the picture on the cover. When it first 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.519 came out, there was, like, a section in the middle 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.980 of the book of photos from the movie. So if you 00:45:06.980 --> 00:45:09.239 weren't paying attention, you would think it 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.280 was like a novelization of a movie, which it's 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.559 not. It's a completely original story. It has 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.539 nothing to do with any of the movies, but it's 00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:27.340 a really good story. I think Magan, whether he's 00:45:27.340 --> 00:45:30.199 writing a novel or whether he was writing a comic 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.880 book, he has a real feel for the character of 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.860 Superman. but also for the character of the movie. 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.260 I think he really understands each of those characters 00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:48.139 and the dynamic between them. I think it's really 00:45:48.139 --> 00:45:52.619 good. Another one of my favorite writers, not 00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:56.820 so much for character creation, but just, I'm 00:45:56.820 --> 00:46:01.219 a sci -fi fan, and in the 60s, particularly, 00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:06.119 Superman was essentially a science fiction character. 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.760 And if you want good science fiction superhero 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:14.760 stuff, Edmund Hamilton is hard to beat. He is 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:25.159 really good with science fiction. Totally different 00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:29.380 style than, say, Agate, but I think those two 00:46:29.380 --> 00:46:31.880 are probably pretty close. Very cool, very cool. 00:46:32.380 --> 00:46:39.179 86 years, there's a lot with any comic book character 00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:43.039 that's been around that long. But some of those 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.559 Elseworlds stuff, some of that stuff is interesting. 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.559 Some of that stuff is cool. Oh, yeah. I mean, 00:46:48.579 --> 00:46:51.880 you can probably find stories that have Superman 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.639 in just about any situation you can imagine, 00:46:54.820 --> 00:47:00.019 whether it's an in -continuity story or an imaginary. 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:04.900 Anything you can think of, you can probably put 00:47:04.900 --> 00:47:09.199 Superman in any kind of situation. Absolutely. 00:47:10.739 --> 00:47:14.340 Kind of like Dark Knights of Steel. Oh, my God. 00:47:14.420 --> 00:47:18.659 What is this? Oh, boy. That's a whole other. 00:47:18.820 --> 00:47:20.559 I don't know what they're doing over there at 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.519 DC, but that was a story from 2012. This is interesting. 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.300 Well, it says it was a 12 -issue series. But 00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:32.840 Wikipedia still has it listed as January 2022 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.880 dash. So they may go back to it at some point, 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.739 I guess. I don't know. Or whoever wrote the Wikipedia 00:47:39.739 --> 00:47:43.820 article. Just never. Yeah, probably. That's usually 00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:50.679 how it goes. But who knows? Who knows? Like I 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:55.019 said, folks, this is a trial run here. I do know 00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:57.840 Dave is a huge Superman fan, as you can clearly 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:02.719 hear. I have some ideas now of Superman stuff 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:04.860 that I may want to cover in the future on the 00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:10.599 podcast. Clark and Superman, go farm boy. I don't 00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.019 know. He's always been one of those characters 00:48:14.019 --> 00:48:16.599 that it's like, I'll get to it when I get to 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.519 it. For me, it's never been about the comics 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.079 and the comics that I've tried so far. Like I 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.800 said, I remember enjoying the Scott Snyder Unchained. 00:48:27.230 --> 00:48:30.590 series, the nine -issue series, but man, that 00:48:30.590 --> 00:48:39.469 Miller, oh, you Batman whore. To me, you can't 00:48:39.469 --> 00:48:41.949 treat Superman the way you would treat Batman. 00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:50.510 No. For me, again, growing up, I always will 00:48:50.510 --> 00:48:55.690 think of them as good friends, but they have... 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.199 really different approaches, even though I have 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.139 to say in the Silver Age, they didn't really 00:49:00.139 --> 00:49:04.400 have different... Superman and Batman were both 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.239 smiley, happy people. I know a lot of Batman 00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:13.079 fans will find that astonishing, but the Adam 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.559 West Batman didn't come out of nowhere. Oh, yeah. 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.559 No, they didn't just pull it out of their butts, 00:49:20.659 --> 00:49:27.170 folks. They got it from the comics. And, you 00:49:27.170 --> 00:49:29.949 know, yeah. Anything else you would like to say? 00:49:30.030 --> 00:49:32.449 Anything you think we missed? Again, folks, like 00:49:32.449 --> 00:49:34.949 I've said multiple times, this is a trial run. 00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:37.369 Most people listening to this probably didn't 00:49:37.369 --> 00:49:40.230 think we gave enough time to Superman, but we've 00:49:40.230 --> 00:49:44.610 been recording for almost an hour. So any final 00:49:44.610 --> 00:49:47.070 thoughts from you, sir? Nothing particularly 00:49:47.070 --> 00:49:51.590 profound, but, you know, I think for anybody 00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:55.579 that... That hasn't really explored the character 00:49:55.579 --> 00:50:00.119 of Superman. Like you said, with 85 years of 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:05.019 history, I think anybody can find a version of 00:50:05.019 --> 00:50:10.880 Superman. People my age tend to enjoy the stuff 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:18.099 that I enjoy. Silverade. And younger people enjoy 00:50:18.099 --> 00:50:22.710 later stuff. I think most people could probably 00:50:22.710 --> 00:50:28.130 enjoy a lot of the early olden age stuff. It's 00:50:28.130 --> 00:50:31.630 a much more rough sort of Superman, but there's 00:50:31.630 --> 00:50:35.610 fun there too. I mean, I think read Superman 00:50:35.610 --> 00:50:39.230 for fun because he's a fun character. Imagine 00:50:39.230 --> 00:50:45.170 if you could fly and if you were in home, you 00:50:45.170 --> 00:50:49.239 would, you would have a ball. lying around and 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:53.940 knowing you couldn't hurt yourself. Forget, oh, 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.500 I would go rob banks or I would do this. Just 00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.260 imagine what an eight -year -old kid would think 00:51:00.260 --> 00:51:05.039 about this. I could fly and I could just jump 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.920 off a building and I wouldn't hurt myself. It's 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.739 fun. You can find fun in supermarkets. You can't. 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.920 You're probably not looking. That's kind of my 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:23.719 opinion. in general. Or particularly, as far 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.699 as this podcast goes, if it's not good, it's 00:51:27.699 --> 00:51:32.659 more my fault than theirs. No, stop it. Stop 00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:36.780 it, stop it, stop it. But again, the whole point 00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:40.320 of this is to explore the character that we can, 00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:44.019 and I said, like, I'm going to be inviting veterans 00:51:44.019 --> 00:51:46.360 of the character, people like Dave, who have 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.940 read All 86 years. Because, you know, he's just 00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:55.280 that ancient. Or you could look for somebody 00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.000 who's as ambitious as John Wilson. Who has probably 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.019 read at least as much Superman as I have. Even 00:52:04.019 --> 00:52:08.820 though he's considerably younger. He's the completest. 00:52:10.539 --> 00:52:15.480 That man and his, oh my god. I don't know how 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.550 he does it. I'm a machine when it comes to podcasts, 00:52:18.650 --> 00:52:21.650 and I'm in the middle of doing all kinds of stuff 00:52:21.650 --> 00:52:25.210 over on Studio 2009. We're releasing 31 podcasts 00:52:25.210 --> 00:52:27.949 for 31 days in December and December, but like, 00:52:28.010 --> 00:52:36.110 oh boy, his Superman reading, oh boy, wow. We 00:52:36.110 --> 00:52:41.250 did a whole podcast on it. He is amazingly dedicated. 00:52:41.750 --> 00:52:44.730 Once he decides to do something, he's going to 00:52:44.730 --> 00:52:50.300 do the very best. Absolutely. Absolutely. All 00:52:50.300 --> 00:52:52.639 right, folks, I'm sure there's plenty. I missed 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:56.059 being the newbie here, but this, like I said, 00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.420 multiple times in this episode is a K trial run. 00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:02.960 We can always come back to Clark Kent in the 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.559 future and do an updated version of this, or 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:07.960 I can just start covering Superman books at some 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:09.900 point next year or the year after or whenever 00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:13.469 the heck it is. Coming up next here inside the 00:53:13.469 --> 00:53:16.070 pull bag, I honestly have no clue because, like 00:53:16.070 --> 00:53:18.269 I said, I'm recording this 10 episodes ahead 00:53:18.269 --> 00:53:20.889 of where I'm supposed to be editing. So I have 00:53:20.889 --> 00:53:24.210 no idea what you've already heard in the podcast's 00:53:24.210 --> 00:53:30.889 lineage from 572 to 564 going backwards. And 00:53:30.889 --> 00:53:34.949 then from 574 onward, I have no idea. All I know 00:53:34.949 --> 00:53:41.369 is I have to get to episode 599. before the end 00:53:41.369 --> 00:53:44.210 of the year because next year is going to be 00:53:44.210 --> 00:53:46.730 sporadic for the podcast for the first time in 00:53:46.730 --> 00:53:50.090 years because we are going to be somehow right 00:53:50.090 --> 00:53:55.190 now i only have 58 days out of 90 but we're going 00:53:55.190 --> 00:53:58.869 to be doing 90 nights in nightwing if i can find 00:53:58.869 --> 00:54:03.460 40 more nightwing trade paperbacks So yeah, coming 00:54:03.460 --> 00:54:06.059 up inside the pull bag, no clue, but I'm sure 00:54:06.059 --> 00:54:08.559 people will listen to it and like it. If you 00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:12.739 guys have suggestions, or I've got a couple of 00:54:12.739 --> 00:54:17.519 people that I'm thinking about with Batman, Bruce 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:21.400 Wayne, and Iron Man, Tony Stark. Those were Batman, 00:54:21.579 --> 00:54:24.599 Superman, Superman, Batman, and Iron Man were 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.059 the first three that I thought to do this little 00:54:29.059 --> 00:54:33.570 series within a series of four. So, yeah, that's 00:54:33.570 --> 00:54:35.630 what's coming up here inside the podcast. You're 00:54:35.630 --> 00:54:38.369 probably going to get more Skybound, G .I. Joe, 00:54:38.610 --> 00:54:42.849 and Void Rivals crossovers from Jesse Early's 00:54:42.849 --> 00:54:45.849 podcast, another comic review. We've been reviewing 00:54:45.849 --> 00:54:48.010 the Transformers, G .I. Joe, all the Skybound 00:54:48.010 --> 00:54:50.389 books over there, and I've been cross -promoting 00:54:50.389 --> 00:54:53.389 the G .I. Joe, specifically the miniseries and 00:54:53.389 --> 00:54:55.130 probably the new ongoing that's going to happen 00:54:55.130 --> 00:54:58.960 in November. By the time you people hear this, 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:05.059 it's probably way past that. So, yeah. Okay. 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.599 Thank you for joining us here inside the pullback. 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:10.380 If you'd like to get in contact with us and leave 00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:11.739 feedback for the show, there are several ways 00:55:11.739 --> 00:55:15.340 to do so. Visit the website, geekcastradio .com, 00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:17.460 where you can listen to and comment on all of 00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:20.699 our content. And you can send us email to feedback 00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:24.050 at geekcastradio .com. You can check us out on 00:55:24.050 --> 00:55:26.369 Apple with Apple Podcasts, on Android phones 00:55:26.369 --> 00:55:28.610 with Spotify, and any other podcasting client 00:55:28.610 --> 00:55:31.750 you choose to use. 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Whereas at least 00:56:08.170 --> 00:56:11.489 ten and a half years ago, actually having conversations 00:56:11.489 --> 00:56:14.449 on that platform. Now, not so much here. Here's 00:56:14.449 --> 00:56:17.260 the podcast. Listen if you would like to. Please 00:56:17.260 --> 00:56:20.360 do so. Yada, yada, yada. And then get the hell 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.539 out and go find something else to do. You can 00:56:22.539 --> 00:56:25.500 find us on Facebook, facebook .com slash Geekast 00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:27.380 Radio Network. You can also check out the pullback 00:56:27.380 --> 00:56:30.699 over there as well. Next time, as I said, I'm 00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:33.380 not going to say because I have no idea. It's 00:56:33.380 --> 00:56:37.000 listed as a Comic Origins episode, but I don't 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.340 know if that's what's going to happen or not. 00:56:38.460 --> 00:56:41.710 So for now, I am TF2 and Mike with Dave. Can 00:56:41.710 --> 00:56:43.909 I go, buddy? As always, make your greatest game 00:56:43.909 --> 00:56:46.329 in the comics, and we will catch you next time. 00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:49.809 What do you think of the name Christopher? Now, 00:56:49.809 --> 00:56:53.989 Martha, let's discuss this. Or Kevin? Martha. 00:56:54.489 --> 00:56:58.989 Or Kirk. I know. We can use my maiden name. What 00:56:58.989 --> 00:57:04.849 do you think of Clark? Clark Kent. Yeah, yes, 00:57:05.050 --> 00:57:07.329 Miss Stevenson. Ten and a half years ago, we 00:57:07.329 --> 00:57:09.070 were actually actually having conversations. 00:57:09.929 --> 00:57:12.829 Actually, actually, what the hell? You've just 00:57:12.829 --> 00:57:16.369 heard the latest episode of The Pull Bag, the 00:57:16.369 --> 00:57:19.210 GCRN's first comic review and discussion podcast. 00:57:19.690 --> 00:57:21.849 There are several ways to get in touch with us 00:57:21.849 --> 00:57:23.670 and leave feedback for the show. 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