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Hi, this is Gary Jock, and you're listening to

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the Geekcast Radio Network. I am Adam, Prince

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of Eternia, defender of the secrets of Castle

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Grayskull. This is Cringer, my fearless friend.

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Fabulous... This is Man at Arms, and you are

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listening to the Masters of Greyskull. Hello,

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this is Optimus Solo, and welcome to the 123rd

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chapter in our Powers of Greyskull series. With

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me for this journey into the Masters of the Universe

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franchise is TFG1 Mike. Hello, sir. Hello, sir.

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How are you? I'm doing fabulous. I have He -Man

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and Skeletor watching over us on this record,

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so I think that's apropos. And I have Funko Pop

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Prince Adam and Funko Pop Slime Pit He -Man watching

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over me. So, you know. The first He -Man and

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Skeletor figure I've purchased in... 40 years?

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No, it might be ever. Because I'm sure those

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were purchased by somebody else to give to me.

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Well, of course, yes. Okay. This might be the

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first ones I've ever bought. Well, no, I take

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that back. I bought a... I might have bought

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one off of eBay of the original series when I

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was doing my hero and villain collection, which

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I need to bust back out and get displayed somewhere.

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But yeah, this is the new series of the origins

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of He -Man. There was a Prince Adam and a Skyslade

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available. It was kind of expensive. There was

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also a Battle Cat available, which was also kind

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of expensive. I just sprung for just Skeletor

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and He -Man. They didn't have any of the other

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figures yet. And I don't know if I'll get any

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other ones or not. They are decent figures. They

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are flexible. They pose well. The sword, the

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power sword, or the sword for Skeletor and for

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E -Man, they both come with one. They're a little

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disappointing, only because it's like half a

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sword, because they're supposed to, I assume,

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be able to be put together. Yeah, I think so.

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I'm probably most likely, since you're talking

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about this, I'm probably most likely going to

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post up Pixel Dan's YouTube video about these

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figures in the show notes for this episode of

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Powers of Greyskull. But yeah, I noticed that

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when I was watching his videos, that it's a half

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sword kind of thing. And I never liked that when

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it came to that. It would be fine if they would

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have designed the other half of the sword to

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at least look okay when it's apart. Yeah. But

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it looks like it's just been cut in half. Yeah.

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But I do like that he came with his axe as well

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and the shield. And Skeletor obviously came with

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the Havok Staff as well. And obviously they're

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more poseable than the 80s version. So I dig

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them. They're fine. And they're watching over

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us on this record. So there we go. Are you ready

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to return to Eternia, sir? Yes, for the final

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time. Well, at least in this iteration, because

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this is the last time we can call this the Masters

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of Greyskull. Because after this, we're done

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with the 2002 He -Man show. Yes, and in this

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episode of Masters of Greyskull, we will be giving

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you our thoughts on the entire 2002 series as

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we wrap up this installment to the MOTU franchise.

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So we hope you're ready, because it's time one

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last time, for now, to go back to Eternia. All

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right, that's right. It is time for the wrap

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-up of the 2002 Motu series. The way we're going

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to do this, guys, is we have a couple different

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sections outlined. We're going to do a little

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bit of character talk where we discuss our favorite

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and either least favorite or most disappointing

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characters that we observed or watched during

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this series. We'll bounce back and forth on that

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a little bit, and then we'll go into some episode

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talk, giving you guys our thoughts on what the

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best and worst episodes are of the series, in

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case you're just looking to check out a few episodes.

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Oh my god, He -Man just did a nosedive. Alright,

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and then after that, we're going to give you...

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Skeletor wins! Yes! He just pushed him off of

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a cliff, literally. So we've got some live action

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going on with you guys today. And then towards

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the end, we're going to be giving you some of

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my statistics, like I always do. So some trivia

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and statistics as far as the rate... Go and how

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Mike and I fared on this series. Talk about the

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writers, maybe a tiny bit, and then just an overall

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discussion of our final thoughts of the 2002

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series and just some quick notes about the future

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of our podcast here. So are you ready, Mike?

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Of course. All right. Well, why don't you go

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ahead and start us off with your fifth favorite

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character? If you have five, did you have five?

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Yeah. Okay. What's your number five? Alright,

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fifth favorite character is Man -at -Arms. Okay,

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why? First of all, it's Gary Flippin' Chalk.

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Man -at -Arms, I mean, I love what Alan Oppenheimer

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did with him in the original series, but Gary

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Chalk's Man -at -Arms voice... Prince Adam, should

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the forces of evil attack... What forces of evil?

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My father and the Defenders drove him away years

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ago. They're history. Right. Just love that.

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I love the care. I love the way the character,

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he, he, he wants to create battle plans, but

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he doesn't want to rush into everything. But

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then there are times where he does rush into

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things. I love that about him. I love his relationship

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with, with Tila and the sorceress and all of

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that history. I think that's great. Uh, he's

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just a really, really fun character to watch

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in this. And I think it's, kind of depressing

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how he ends up in the comic episode that we talked

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about last time. That's a good one. I do like

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that because I do like Gary Chalk as this voice.

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If I was thinking more when I was getting this

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episode ready together, I should have done most

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improved over previous versions or most unimproved,

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I guess, over previous versions. Because that's

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one, Man at Arms is one that is definitely, I

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think, better than the original series, the man

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at arms in 2002, I would take over the man at

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arms and film nation. Um, not that there's anything

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wrong with the film nation character. I just

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think we get a lot more of, uh, in depth of him

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in this series. We learn more about him. And,

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uh, and I think it's just performed to a little

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bit more depth. So, um, I like that for my number

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five, it's no surprise that this guy's going

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to make an appearance, even though he doesn't

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make a whole lot of appearances in the series.

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If he shows up in the series, though, he's going

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to be one of my favorites. So my number five

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is going to be Zodak. I just love Zodak as a

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character. I could do without the chair. So that

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almost kept him off the chair that he has in

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this series. But he is still a badass. He's still

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one of the most powerful people in this franchise.

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He does do some things that, I mean, he kills

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freaking King Hiss. Yeah. At least for a temporary

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moment. Temporary moment, yeah. But I mean, he

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throws him off of Greyskull like a freaking defeated

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piece of garbage. And for that alone, he should

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be on here. So I love Zodak. He's only number

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five because, let's face it, he doesn't get a

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whole lot of time or a whole lot of appearances,

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but he's still important to the series. And he

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also gave what I feel is Prince Adam's best moment.

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Which one? In that finale. Oh, okay. He's like,

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He -Man is... Obviously, I'll throw a clip in

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here somewhere, folks, but He -Man is needed.

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Wait, you know... Could you at least turn around?

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Oh, yeah. That was a good moment. Fine. And then

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the... That literally could go down as my favorite

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Prince Adam He -Man moment of the entire series.

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It's one of my favorite moments, too. It's okay.

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What's your number four? Huh? He -Man is needed.

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He -Man? You mean... you know? Uh, could you

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at least turn your back? Fine. By the power of

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Grayskull! I have the power! Uh, that would be...

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Okay, I'm going to say this right now. My number

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four through number one, I kind of cheated a

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little bit, but I'm just going to give that out

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ahead of time. I'm going to write down what your

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number four through one are real quick. All right,

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go ahead. Cringer slash Battle Cat. Obviously,

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Cringer, Battle Cat, same person, but kind of

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two very different characters up until that last

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moment when Adam says, you've got a lot more

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Battle Cat in you than you think, Cringer. You've

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got more Battle Cat in you than you think, Cringer.

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I just love the way they did Battle Cat and Cringer

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in this. Yes. I love that he doesn't talk. I

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love that he talks in Filmation. Because again,

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you've got to remember, two very different...

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1983 to 2002. That's almost 20 -something, 30

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-something years, whatever you want to call it.

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20. That kind of thing. Whatever. You know, it's

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one of those things where two different eras,

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two very different reasonings, and almost every

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single animal in the 80s, 70s, and 80s talked.

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I mean, between Gleek and all the snorks and

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the smurfs and the whatever, you had talking

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animals out the butt. So, while I absolutely

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love Cringer from the original series, Cringer

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and Battle Cat in this, they were so much more...

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I don't want to say timid for Cringer, but so

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much more cat -like for Cringer, and so much

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more almost lion -like for Battle Cat. Like,

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I would not want to come face -to -face with

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this Battle Cat when he was mad. I'm going to

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keep that clip of talking animals out the butt.

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Stop it. Also, I'm not sure if snorks and smurfs

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are animals. I don't know what they are, but

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I get your point regardless, and I agree. Snorks

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are fish -like people. And smurfs are little

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blue -like humans. I don't even know what they

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are. Mushrooms. I don't know. I mean, anyway.

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but I agree. Battle cat and country are definitely

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good characters in this series as well. My number

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five and my number four are kind of, I'm not

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cheats, but they're kind of weird because they're

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not huge characters in the series. My one through

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three will be like your main, some of your main

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people. But my number four, just because I loved

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the fact that this character appeared at all.

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And I was so stoked and so excited the very first

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time I watched this series to see more of this

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character, even though we don't ever get to.

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So my number four is Hordak. I just think that

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this version of Hordak had the potential to be

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so awesome. Way better than the version that

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we end up getting in She -Ra. Nothing against

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that character, but what they did with She -Ra

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is similar to what they did with He -Man in Filmation,

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and they were making Hordak more of a comedic

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character. And I like that in this series, he

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was coming across more as the ultimate evil character.

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Very able to do a lot of things that other villains

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that they've come across have not done. And the

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whole hierarchy with him and Skeletor and King

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Hiss, etc. So I was just really looking forward

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to see more of that version of that character.

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So even though we didn't get to see much besides

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a flashback and a brief appearance. Eternia.

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Almost like a cameo. I still got to put Hordak

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in here, so he's my number four. Awesome. What's

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your number three? Randor and Marlena, the king

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and queen, because you cannot have the king without

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the queen. And they are good in this series.

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They are amazing in this series because they're

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used more. Now that the Council of Elders is

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no more, where is the power of Eternia? I told

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you, I don't know. But if I did, I would reveal

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nothing. Perhaps a little not -so -gentle persuasion

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is in order. Say hello, Pantheon. Randor, King

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Toreus has agreed to our terms and signed the

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agreement. So soon? Your diplomatic skills put

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my own to shame, Marlena. Now hurry home. Your

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king misses you. And your queen misses her king.

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Tell Adam I'm flying over the corridors of Lithos.

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When he was a child, we'd often come here with

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Cringer to explore the caves. Out of, like, we've

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been doing this a decade, folks. Like, seriously,

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this podcast has been going on since 2011. And

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I honestly... don't remember a lot of tales of

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Eternia. I don't remember a lot of us praise.

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I'm sure we did. I don't remember a lot. There

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was the one episode where we get the earth connection

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with the right with Queen Marlena. Yeah. Really

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background. Yeah. I mean, but overall, even just.

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having them as characters in the story kind of

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thing. Normally they're off doing royal duties

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or they're just sitting on their thrones while

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He -Man and Skeletor are fighting, whatever else.

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That's the one thing I love about this series.

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It is so story and continuity driven. Oh, I love

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it. And Randor has his moments. Marlena has her

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moments. They have moments together and it's

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just makes them such great characters in this.

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I agree. I think that they're much better used

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and more utilized in this series as well. They

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would be on the short list of most improved over

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Filmation versions if I were making a list of

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that, which maybe one day I'll do. For my number

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three character, I'm going to stick with the

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evilness. I'm going to go from Hordak on number

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four to I believe I'm going to gag. Then Skeletor

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at number three. He could have almost been higher,

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but Skeletor is just... hilarious in this series.

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And I guess the difference between this and Filmation,

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one of the main differences, is in Filmation,

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over the course of obviously a lot more episodes

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than we got here, it almost got to a point where

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Skeletor was redundant. It got to the point where

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they've already done everything they're going

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to do. They're not going to give us much more

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depth or character for him, so he just became

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the same character every episode type thing.

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And here I'm left at the end actually wanting

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more because of how little they utilize Skeletor

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in the second season. Yeah. Half of this series.

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Like, I really wish he would have been more of

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a character because I really enjoyed him over

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the course of the first season. He seemed like

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he was a little bit more evil. He was still funny,

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but not in a belittling way. Not in more of a,

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it's not an over the top kind of way. It's more

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of a, it's more subtle humor because the story,

00:17:19.369 --> 00:17:22.630
drives his character well and they did they did

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him they made him funny At the expense of other

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characters and not at the expense of his own

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character. So he became cheesy and over the top

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and somebody you were just throwing to the side

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because he's pathetic. Like he still held on

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to the powerful, the evil, the sinister aspects

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of his character while being funny at the expense

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of other characters. So I prefer that versus

00:17:45.730 --> 00:17:48.269
him just being a joke himself. I'm not saying

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he was a complete joke in the filmmation series,

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but it was more towards the. comedic character

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side than what they could balance in this series.

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And that's what I really appreciated. I wish

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it would have been different. Yeah. Yeah. I wish

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he was more in season two as well. I think the

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difference. Revenge is like Jafari stew. It tastes

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best when served cold. All you will taste is

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the bitterness of defeat, Keldor. I think not.

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And the name is Skeletor. Is, and I'm just going

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to say it right now. Skeletor slash Keldor. Again,

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they're the same character, but it's still cheating.

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It's two character names. He's my number two,

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so I'm just going to go right into it. The difference

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is between 2002 and Filmation is that they were

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not... I did not feel like they... This is not

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a cartoon I would show your newborn daughter.

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When your newborn daughter gets to the age that

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we were in 84, 85, I would not show this to her.

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Because the 2002 series was for those of us who

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did grow up with this. Those of us who knew Skeletor

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as the bumbling fool. And no, I know I can't

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do a Skeletor. But it's one of those things where...

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I have a lot of the same traits. Yeah, but that's

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the thing. Hey, shut up. That's the thing, though,

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that the traits here are much more subtle. And

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like you said, he's not the butt of the joke.

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Everybody else is when he wants to be funny.

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But when he gets sinister, I wish we had a little

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bit more Kaldor. I wish we had a little bit more

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of the origin there. I know we had the beginning

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three -parter, and that was a great three -part

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story to start this off. But I just wish that

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that transformation from... from Keldor to Skeletor

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was a little bit, this is why I love the DC comics.

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All those comics that a DAS Baron and I have

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covered over on the pull bag. This is why I love

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those because you get so much more character

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out of the mo two characters, but Skeletor is

00:20:26.609 --> 00:20:29.049
still easily my number two because he, he is

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just that awesome in this series. Yeah, obviously

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I agree. For my number two, I'm going to go to

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a character that's not going to be on your list

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and a little bit maybe more off the beaten path,

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but still a main character in this series. And

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again, the reason I'm putting her in this spot

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is because of, again, how much I believe that

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it has improved over previous versions. And that

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would be the guardian of Castle Greyskull herself.

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I'm going to go with the sorceress at number

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two. I just think... Well, okay, I admit it looks

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kind of like me. How old is this carving? 17

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seasons of the field. Well, there you go. I wasn't

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even born. I'm only 16. A sorceress can appear

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as any age she pleases. Well, trust me. I'm no

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sorceress. Man -at -arms. Come to Grayskull.

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At once. What I am about to recount, no mortal

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has ever been told. It was many years ago. The

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isolation of these walls had become too much

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for me to bear. I longed to walk amongst Eternians,

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to hear the laughter of children. Skeletor's

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evil had not yet infected the land. The power

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of the Elders was secure within the Crystal Chamber.

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a peaceful village. The villagers were welcoming

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and generous, offering me food to eat and a place

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to sleep. There were simple pleasures to be had.

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For the first time in as long as I could remember,

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I felt... at peace. But the peace was shattered

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when an evil warlord by the name of Props attacked

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the village. The villagers tried to defend themselves,

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but a young boy had informed the warlord of where

00:23:02.029 --> 00:23:08.650
the weapons were kept. You see that? Easy target,

00:23:08.829 --> 00:23:11.329
just like Oedipus told you. Oedipus is a big

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help. Can Oedipus join up? Though much of my

00:23:23.859 --> 00:23:26.920
power had been left behind in Grayskull, I summoned

00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:31.000
what power I could. They explore her power, her

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backstory, the history and origin of her character,

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but then she gets to do so much more. I mean,

00:23:39.740 --> 00:23:41.240
obviously, unfortunately, she gets infected by

00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.259
King Hiss and is a little bit not able to perform

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up to the top of her level or her abilities.

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But again, that was for a reason, because if

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she wasn't infected, she could have just, you

00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:54.910
know. been a badass and made things how they

00:23:54.910 --> 00:23:57.569
are. But, um, I just, I just think they used

00:23:57.569 --> 00:23:59.869
her so well. I like the, the relationship that

00:23:59.869 --> 00:24:02.569
she has in this series with, um, Adam slash He

00:24:02.569 --> 00:24:05.690
-Man. And, uh, I don't know. I just, I just think

00:24:05.690 --> 00:24:08.049
the, I like the design of the character better

00:24:08.049 --> 00:24:11.049
than the filmmation one. Uh, I probably like

00:24:11.049 --> 00:24:13.789
the voice acting a little bit better, um, not

00:24:13.789 --> 00:24:15.730
to take anything away from, from Linda Gary.

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Um, I just like the character overall better.

00:24:19.049 --> 00:24:21.049
And I think she made a very strong presence in

00:24:21.049 --> 00:24:23.829
this series. So sorceress is my number two. And

00:24:23.829 --> 00:24:28.849
her best, her best motherly scolding was Zodak.

00:24:30.210 --> 00:24:33.470
When she yelled at him to wake his ass up. Right.

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So that's my number two. You already gave your

00:24:36.089 --> 00:24:37.750
number two. So it's down to our number ones.

00:24:37.829 --> 00:24:39.430
I have a guess what yours is, but I'll let you

00:24:39.430 --> 00:24:43.369
reveal it. Go ahead. It is none other than, again,

00:24:43.529 --> 00:24:46.829
and I'm cheating, so I fully understand. I'm

00:24:46.829 --> 00:24:47.990
glad you did what you did, though, because at

00:24:47.990 --> 00:24:49.390
first I thought you were going to do something

00:24:49.390 --> 00:24:51.190
different, and I'm glad you didn't, so go ahead.

00:24:51.250 --> 00:24:53.650
Well, you might be surprised, because I'm putting

00:24:53.650 --> 00:24:58.329
both He -Man and King Greyskull as my number

00:24:58.329 --> 00:25:02.970
one. No mortal has entered this chamber in an

00:25:02.970 --> 00:25:06.950
eon. That's the guy in my dreams. Looks like

00:25:06.950 --> 00:25:12.440
He -Man, but different. Your ancestor, King Greyskull.

00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:13.759
I thought for a second what you were going to

00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:15.700
do is you were going to say that Battle Cat was

00:25:15.700 --> 00:25:17.400
your number four, Cringer was your number three,

00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:21.940
Adam was your number one. No, no, no. He -Man

00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:24.940
and King Greyskull. I absolutely love Prince

00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:31.799
Adam. I really do. I love the learning he goes

00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:36.420
through in the series. However, He -Man was...

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.220
Except for that one moment that I mentioned,

00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:41.299
I think in episode 121 of the podcast, where

00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:43.539
I felt that he could have been a little smarter

00:25:43.539 --> 00:25:46.279
dealing with Hiss and figuring all of that out.

00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.500
Other than that one moment, overall, I loved

00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:53.180
He -Man this entire series. And King Greyskull

00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:57.799
is his ancestor, and it's just as awesome. There

00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:01.960
was a King Greyskull? So that means this castle

00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:09.890
was once his. The very seat of his kingdom. When

00:26:09.890 --> 00:26:12.609
my sword was lost in battle with the Snake Men,

00:26:12.809 --> 00:26:17.309
I had hoped it was a sign that a time of peace

00:26:17.309 --> 00:26:22.109
was upon us. Sadly, my king, that time has not

00:26:22.109 --> 00:26:25.809
yet come. Even now the forces of evil are clashing.

00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:30.910
One will emerge victorious, and then the true

00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:34.460
battle for Eternia will be upon us. Though I

00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:37.200
yearn for nothing more than an eternity of free

00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:42.180
of bloodshed. If battle I must, then battle I

00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:44.660
will. I like that. I think that's a clever way

00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:48.059
to sneak King Greyskull in here. He was like

00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:53.019
the OG. I like that. Very good. My number one,

00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.779
most people might be surprised that this is going

00:26:54.779 --> 00:26:57.799
to be my number one character. But I just think

00:26:57.799 --> 00:26:59.599
there's a whole lot of depth to this character.

00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.599
And yes, I'm going to actually stay with another

00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:05.109
female character. Before your head breaks, it's

00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:07.230
not Teela. I'm going with my number one character

00:27:07.230 --> 00:27:10.250
as actually another evil character. I'm going

00:27:10.250 --> 00:27:14.289
with Evil Lynn. Oh, wow. Yeah, I just think,

00:27:14.569 --> 00:27:20.990
like, she's so smart in this series. She's so

00:27:20.990 --> 00:27:26.630
conniving. She's manipulative. She is, and I'll

00:27:26.630 --> 00:27:29.509
get into this more in a second, but outside of

00:27:29.509 --> 00:27:31.410
Skeletor, obviously she is the most prominent

00:27:31.410 --> 00:27:34.930
evil warrior that we get. But she's also smart

00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:38.630
enough to somewhat form alliances with the Snake

00:27:38.630 --> 00:27:40.710
Men so that she's around for that and trying

00:27:40.710 --> 00:27:44.230
to play off that. She even has flirtations with

00:27:44.230 --> 00:27:48.470
Hordak in a way of being aligned with him. All

00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:52.210
these different things. Skeletor disappears for

00:27:52.210 --> 00:27:54.630
most of the second half of this series, and Evil

00:27:54.630 --> 00:27:58.069
Lynn remains. And it's like the one thing that's

00:27:58.069 --> 00:28:01.529
tying that evil warrior presence to this whole

00:28:01.529 --> 00:28:05.299
series. I like her character. I like the look

00:28:05.299 --> 00:28:07.480
of her character. I like the performance of it.

00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:11.220
We get a little bit more of her backstory in

00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.700
one of the better episodes of the series where

00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:16.180
we get to see a little bit more of her history,

00:28:16.339 --> 00:28:19.960
which we never got in Filmation. So I was a huge

00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:21.539
fan. I think this is, again, one of the ones

00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:23.700
that's probably most improved over the Filmation

00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:25.359
version. Because in Filmation, she was just another

00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.200
one of the... the you know evil warriors kind

00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:29.720
of on their same level she had a little bit more

00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.559
power and maybe a little bit more smarts than

00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.779
like a beast man but she wasn't much above them

00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:37.039
and in this series she was elevated quite a quite

00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.960
a bit above oh yeah i mean she has a bitch slapped

00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.980
once yeah i mean she has the single greatest

00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:47.019
evil villain story out of the i mean outside

00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:49.799
of like keldor and and and all that but like

00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:54.119
finally we get an origin for, for evil in, and

00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.279
it's just so good. It's a good one. And it introduces

00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.299
a good character as well with the, with the faceless,

00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:02.799
faceless, nameless, faceless one, faceless one.

00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.299
So yeah, I really enjoyed that episode as well.

00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:08.579
So those are our favorite characters during the

00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:10.920
2002 series. We're going to take a quick break,

00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.279
let you hear from a couple of those characters.

00:29:12.339 --> 00:29:13.900
And when we get back, we're going to talk about

00:29:13.900 --> 00:29:15.759
maybe some of the characters that disappointed

00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.039
us a little bit. We were just spending some time

00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.930
on what, characters were better than the filmmation

00:29:19.930 --> 00:29:22.210
version. We might get into a few that are worse.

00:29:22.329 --> 00:29:30.650
So stay with us. Hordak defeated the snake man.

00:29:31.009 --> 00:29:36.470
I never wait. Hordak. Hordak was in my dream.

00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:41.630
Perhaps the past and present, your dreams and

00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:46.470
destiny are more intertwined than we know. We

00:29:46.470 --> 00:30:05.779
must discover how. With King Hiss defeated, the

00:30:05.779 --> 00:30:10.359
true prize is now within my reach. The conquest

00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.490
of Eternia. All right, thanks for sticking with

00:30:13.490 --> 00:30:15.309
us. It's time to go negative for a second. Mike,

00:30:15.349 --> 00:30:16.910
we're going to talk about least favorite or most

00:30:16.910 --> 00:30:19.950
disappointing characters or characters that maybe

00:30:19.950 --> 00:30:22.450
went the opposite direction from their Filmation

00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:25.589
counterparts. I think there's one that we're

00:30:25.589 --> 00:30:28.009
going to have in consensus. I'm interested to

00:30:28.009 --> 00:30:31.069
see if you have any others. I have a few offside

00:30:31.069 --> 00:30:32.490
of that, but let's go over the one that I know

00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:34.130
we're both in agreement with, and that would

00:30:34.130 --> 00:30:38.289
be which one, Mike? King Hiss? Oh, no, that's

00:30:38.289 --> 00:30:41.609
one of yours. I figured we'd go with Orko first.

00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.079
You know, it's funny. I did not actually write

00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:51.079
him down because I felt as I felt as the series

00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.420
progressed, he either wasn't around enough or

00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:59.480
he had moments where he his character grew. I

00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.319
think for sure, for me, he's worse than the filmmation

00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.220
version. I just like the Filmation one better.

00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.700
I know a lot of people don't like sidekicks and

00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:08.940
don't like those types of characters and are

00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:11.500
probably annoyed by Orko in Filmation. But I

00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:13.500
actually kind of enjoyed him. I enjoyed him being

00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.500
the bumbling guy that always got it wrong. I

00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:18.400
enjoyed the voice of him, even if it's not for

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.680
everybody. I enjoyed the fact that occasionally

00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:22.539
he would get something right and occasionally

00:31:22.539 --> 00:31:24.579
he would help out in a plot. He was always right

00:31:24.579 --> 00:31:27.660
there in the mix. This series, he's either absent

00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:31.160
or at the beginning it's so weird because he's

00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.470
just... I just don't like the combination of

00:31:34.470 --> 00:31:36.329
the look and the sound and the performance of

00:31:36.329 --> 00:31:39.490
him. No offense to those doing it, obviously.

00:31:40.250 --> 00:31:42.470
I'm not trying to speak ill of the dead or anything,

00:31:42.630 --> 00:31:45.529
but yeah, I just was not a fan of Orko in the

00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:47.269
series overall. I could have done without him.

00:31:47.369 --> 00:31:49.109
In fact, I think you could remove him from the

00:31:49.109 --> 00:31:54.730
series and not much changes. But you have one

00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:57.069
good episode again, one good learning moment,

00:31:57.150 --> 00:32:02.200
Orko's garden. I thought that was a good. teachable

00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.880
teaching time for him. I just mean like in the

00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.460
continuity of the whole over. Right, right, right,

00:32:09.460 --> 00:32:12.420
right. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. This,

00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:18.279
this series is so serious and Orko is that not

00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.099
necessarily kid character, but he kind of is,

00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:25.480
he is, but generally he's the, he's the humor.

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.759
He's the, this, he's the, that you're not going

00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.140
to have a moment where. He's in the back of the

00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:34.559
Wind Raiders. I remember this distinctively because

00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.339
I have it in one of our old Powers of Grayskull

00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:40.059
series ads. It's at the end of it. Orko, what

00:32:40.059 --> 00:32:43.880
are you doing here? I'm trying to sleep. This

00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:48.460
Orko is not that Orko, and this series does not

00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:54.579
have room for the comedy parts that Orko encompasses.

00:32:55.220 --> 00:32:57.890
Right. But let's get over to King Hiss because

00:32:57.890 --> 00:32:59.230
I know you had mentioned him. I will say that

00:32:59.230 --> 00:33:01.849
he is my least favorite of the Snake Men. I don't

00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:03.509
have him written down, so I'll let you take the

00:33:03.509 --> 00:33:05.809
lead on this one. But why the hate for King Hiss?

00:33:06.269 --> 00:33:10.210
I just... He's an okay character, but again,

00:33:10.289 --> 00:33:15.509
it more so goes to... I wanted his story to be

00:33:15.509 --> 00:33:17.650
wrapped up sooner rather than... Like, I would

00:33:17.650 --> 00:33:20.380
rather... And I know they couldn't have done

00:33:20.380 --> 00:33:22.359
this because the series only got 39 episodes.

00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.400
I wish he would have gone into the void. And

00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.119
then we had Hordak back. And King Hiss' story

00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:28.960
would have gone away for a while. And we had

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.880
Hordak and Skeletor and this, that, and... I'm

00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.599
not... The only... I just want to say probably

00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.619
two. The only two Snake Men I actually like are

00:33:38.619 --> 00:33:41.000
Cobra Khan and Tongue Lash. Or... You don't like

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.359
Rattler? Nah. I... like him for his voice because

00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.559
it's Richard. It's frigging Rhinox. I like a

00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.880
lot of the Snakemen. I like Squeeze. I like Tongue

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.200
Lasher. I like Rattler. I like Cobra Khan. I

00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.220
don't know about Snakeface. Snakeface, yeah.

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.099
Honestly, if we could have just taken King Hiss

00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:04.180
out, and obviously I don't think you can make

00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:07.039
Rattler in charge. I don't think you can make

00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:08.119
one of the other ones in charge because they're

00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.019
all kind of henchmen. But let's go ahead and

00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:12.860
do the crossover that I usually hate. Just bring

00:34:12.860 --> 00:34:15.940
Serpentor in. He can be in charge of the Snakemen.

00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:19.039
We've tried to get Serpentors in anyway, so just

00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.159
bring Serpentor in. He can lead them. Boot King

00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.260
Hiss out. But no, I'm with you. I think he should

00:34:23.260 --> 00:34:24.460
have been thrown into the void. We should have

00:34:24.460 --> 00:34:26.179
continued with the Hordak story, and that would

00:34:26.179 --> 00:34:29.480
have been great. So I'm fine with King Hiss being

00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.460
listed here. I was trying to come up with a master

00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:35.099
that I could put in here. I'm not saying that

00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:37.719
it's a least favorite necessary or that they're

00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.519
disappointing or whatever, but... I guess if

00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:43.019
I'm going down the rankings of all the masters,

00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.300
the one, if I had to boot one out that I could

00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:51.920
boot out, it would probably be buzz off. Oh,

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.539
easily. Because anything that you needed buzz

00:34:55.539 --> 00:34:57.860
off for, we could have just given more time to

00:34:57.860 --> 00:35:00.780
Stratos for, and then we just wouldn't have had

00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:04.190
to have buzz off. So buzz off can buzz off. And

00:35:04.190 --> 00:35:06.969
we would have been fine. Give Stratos some time

00:35:06.969 --> 00:35:09.150
or give some other master some time. But if you

00:35:09.150 --> 00:35:10.730
need a flying one, we already have Stratos. So

00:35:10.730 --> 00:35:13.050
I think the combination of trying to do stuff

00:35:13.050 --> 00:35:16.250
with Stratos and Buzz Off left me thinking that

00:35:16.250 --> 00:35:19.289
Stratos got the shorthand. Right. And plus, they

00:35:19.289 --> 00:35:22.630
had the whole thing of Stratos versus Buzz Off,

00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:26.289
the Andrinids versus the Avions. And I'm like...

00:35:26.289 --> 00:35:28.469
That was fine. Have that episode. But then...

00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:32.309
For that episode. Everything else could have

00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:35.789
been Stratos. Yeah. So any other characters you

00:35:35.789 --> 00:35:39.230
have written down? Only because I'm not a spider

00:35:39.230 --> 00:35:42.469
fan. I mean, not, not, not a creepy spider fan.

00:35:42.630 --> 00:35:45.570
I'm not, I'm not an arachnophobia film, you know,

00:35:45.570 --> 00:35:48.710
nineties film fan kind of web store, web store

00:35:48.710 --> 00:35:52.750
creeped me out. I'm going to go a step further

00:35:52.750 --> 00:35:56.010
on that one and say not just Webster, but I'm

00:35:56.010 --> 00:35:58.630
going to cheat and say almost the entire group

00:35:58.630 --> 00:36:00.829
of evil warriors in this series is a little disappointing.

00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:04.849
I don't know if it's because we went so fast

00:36:04.849 --> 00:36:08.050
into the Snake Men and Hordak and those different

00:36:08.050 --> 00:36:10.730
stories, or if we had enough of just one -off

00:36:10.730 --> 00:36:17.230
things, but Evil Lynn, as the exception, the

00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:20.449
rest of the evil warriors I felt were made almost

00:36:20.449 --> 00:36:25.130
to be too stupid, like too bumbling. And I know

00:36:25.130 --> 00:36:27.389
that there's supposed to be a bit of that, but,

00:36:27.530 --> 00:36:29.809
and I know like beast man's not supposed to be

00:36:29.809 --> 00:36:32.030
smart. Like I get that for beast man, but they

00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:36.789
made beast man. Um, they made a merman. That

00:36:36.789 --> 00:36:38.530
one's really one of the ones that bugs me. Like

00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:41.389
they made merman real dumb in this. Yeah. And

00:36:41.389 --> 00:36:46.070
I don't see him like that. I see like in my vision,

00:36:46.269 --> 00:36:50.349
trap jaws, not dumb. Um, He just has a certain

00:36:50.349 --> 00:36:55.090
trait. He's the guy with a bunch of stuff he

00:36:55.090 --> 00:36:58.110
can put on his arms. He's going to be your every

00:36:58.110 --> 00:37:01.550
situation guy. Triclops is not supposed to be

00:37:01.550 --> 00:37:02.929
dumb. He's supposed to be able to come up with

00:37:02.929 --> 00:37:05.489
a lot of things and clever things. I thought

00:37:05.489 --> 00:37:09.510
Triclops had a few good moments. I just felt

00:37:09.510 --> 00:37:11.309
like they just treated the evil warriors in general

00:37:11.309 --> 00:37:14.289
as kind of bumbling idiots and didn't give them

00:37:14.289 --> 00:37:19.440
much time overall. if you were to like list off

00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.300
the good moments by each of the evil warriors

00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:23.039
over the course of 39 episodes, you wouldn't

00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.019
have very many. Um, so I was a little disappointed

00:37:26.019 --> 00:37:27.760
with some of those. I think they kind of pushed

00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.639
them aside to focus on other things. Um, and

00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.420
I, I mean, I, I do enjoy the fact that evil Lynn

00:37:34.420 --> 00:37:37.099
has been so elevated above them that it's not

00:37:37.099 --> 00:37:39.539
quite on their level, but I would have liked

00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:42.199
a more of like, uh, almost like a hierarchy like

00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:44.119
instead of evil in way up here and then all the

00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.019
other evil warriors down here at the bottom i

00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:47.980
would have liked evil in and then you know maybe

00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:50.820
triclops and then trap jaw and then merman and

00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:52.480
then be you know what i mean like some type of

00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:56.239
like each one had a skill set or wasn't quite

00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:59.460
as dumb as maybe the other one but i don't know

00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:02.179
yeah i'll say this though i i feel that there

00:38:02.179 --> 00:38:05.699
are two that do stand out to the point of what

00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:10.369
we got for them Was better than what we potentially

00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:13.150
would have, could have gotten from the old series.

00:38:13.389 --> 00:38:17.170
And that's too bad. And stink or their origins.

00:38:17.429 --> 00:38:20.610
I mean, you know, edifice, edifice, whatever

00:38:20.610 --> 00:38:23.289
his name is, that becomes stink or, and then

00:38:23.289 --> 00:38:26.289
Tuvra and, and Badra or whatever their names

00:38:26.289 --> 00:38:29.449
are individually, how they did their origins

00:38:29.449 --> 00:38:32.610
and how Skeletor put them together and, you know,

00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:34.929
separated them and created the whole separation

00:38:34.929 --> 00:38:38.130
of. of of the planet and this that and the other

00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:39.929
thing and tried to get into the light hemisphere

00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:42.469
dark hemisphere all i think all of that is really

00:38:42.469 --> 00:38:44.949
really well done i think if we would have done

00:38:44.949 --> 00:38:46.449
more of that that would have been fine i think

00:38:46.449 --> 00:38:48.969
what makes me come more hard on the evil warriors

00:38:48.969 --> 00:38:51.090
is more of the presence of two other characters

00:38:51.090 --> 00:38:52.949
that for some reason i didn't mention yet that

00:38:52.949 --> 00:38:54.550
also were featured a lot more than they were

00:38:54.550 --> 00:38:57.309
in filmation and that would be clawful and whiplash

00:38:57.309 --> 00:39:00.610
and i just think that the combination of those

00:39:00.610 --> 00:39:02.769
two and beastman maybe it was the trio of them

00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.219
And the way they treated Merman, that just made

00:39:05.219 --> 00:39:08.860
me feel like it was like Three Stooges dumb at

00:39:08.860 --> 00:39:12.679
that point. And I feel like he didn't need as

00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.760
many characters to be that dumb. Agreed. I mean,

00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:18.980
I'm not mad that they gave them more time, but

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:21.480
I just wish they could have done more like what

00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.179
you talked about with Too Bad and Stinkor. Even

00:39:25.179 --> 00:39:27.440
Webster at least got his thing. You might not

00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.400
like him, and I'm not a Spider -Man either, but

00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.679
he got his moment. But, yeah, so those are some

00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.659
characters that we maybe didn't care about as

00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:38.179
much as we would like to. We're going to take

00:39:38.179 --> 00:39:40.239
a quick break, and then we're going to come back

00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:42.659
and shift gears to talking about some of our

00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.500
least and most favorite episodes. So stick with

00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:46.880
us. We're going to talk about some episodes next.

00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.039
Forgive me, Great Hordak, but perhaps now is

00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.760
not the time. The clash with the Snake Men has

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:58.139
left our forces depleted. That is good counsel,

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:06.920
Kallax. But I so hate bad news. Alright, we're

00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.559
gonna flip it this time and talk negative first

00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.179
so we can end the episode talk with some more

00:40:11.179 --> 00:40:13.599
positivity. So we're gonna go through our least

00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:18.840
favorite episodes from the 2002 series. Before

00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.320
you start, Mike, I just gotta say, we've done

00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.360
this before for other series and whatnot. It

00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.260
was hard for me to come up with a bottom five.

00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:30.420
Top five was easy as, as easy peasy, like no

00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:33.579
problem. The bottom five is hard in this series.

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.980
And the reason is, is because there's not that

00:40:36.980 --> 00:40:40.380
many bad episodes. There's not that many bad

00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:43.719
episodes. And again, there's only 39 versus 130

00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.679
for each of man and Shira from the eighties.

00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:52.320
Right. But here's the thing for me, I had. What

00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:58.679
I had a harder time with was... You might have

00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.539
had a problem with the favorite episodes, I guess.

00:41:00.860 --> 00:41:05.340
I had problems picking my number five favorite

00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:08.420
episode. Four through one, it was easy. However,

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.539
with the negative ones, with the ones I didn't

00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:14.099
like, it was more of, okay, I have all these

00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:17.079
ones that I didn't like. Where do I want to place

00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.099
them and where do I want to rank them against

00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:22.670
each other? As far as, like, which one is worst.

00:41:22.929 --> 00:41:25.429
Right, right, right. It just feels weird to me,

00:41:25.510 --> 00:41:27.349
because I'm going to have episodes that are in

00:41:27.349 --> 00:41:31.789
my bottom five that I gave a three to. Like,

00:41:31.789 --> 00:41:34.570
that's just a bizarre thought. Like, just because

00:41:34.570 --> 00:41:36.190
we had so many episodes to choose from for the

00:41:36.190 --> 00:41:38.409
Filmation version, like, your bottom five is,

00:41:38.429 --> 00:41:41.389
like, zeros and ones and one and a halves and

00:41:41.389 --> 00:41:45.219
twos and stuff like that. we're listing off episodes

00:41:45.219 --> 00:41:47.719
we ranked as a three, which is an average episode.

00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.900
So it's kind of bizarre to, I'm not going to

00:41:49.900 --> 00:41:52.699
like hate on some of these that much. Um, but

00:41:52.699 --> 00:41:54.099
it's going to be interesting. So what is your

00:41:54.099 --> 00:41:56.900
number five least favorite episode of this series?

00:41:57.739 --> 00:42:03.780
Buzz offs, pride, buzz offs, pride. I, it hurts.

00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.780
I know it hurts you to say that. I only gave

00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:08.739
it a three. Well, here's the problem. Like, And

00:42:08.739 --> 00:42:11.559
I'm glad I reached out to Christy Marks because

00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.920
she and her husband, Randy Littlejohn, wrote

00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.360
that episode. I'm glad we got the behind the

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.719
scenes of someone who wrote on this series, wrote

00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.619
an episode, and how it was, I don't want to say

00:42:23.619 --> 00:42:26.840
dictated, but I will use that term, to them about

00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:32.610
what the creators wanted them to write. From

00:42:32.610 --> 00:42:35.510
what she initially had told us, you can go back

00:42:35.510 --> 00:42:37.789
to whichever episode of this podcast that BuzzOff's

00:42:37.789 --> 00:42:39.210
priding on. I don't remember off the top of my

00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:42.469
head, folks. It's episode 20, by the way. Episode

00:42:42.469 --> 00:42:45.110
what? It's episode 20 of the series. That's not

00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:48.969
what... No, I mean the podcast episode. I don't

00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:51.070
remember what podcast episode it is that we talked

00:42:51.070 --> 00:42:53.829
about it, but it's one of those things where

00:42:53.829 --> 00:42:58.250
it's nice to see that they had issues with...

00:42:58.769 --> 00:43:02.570
doing that episode with he -man being the prideful

00:43:02.570 --> 00:43:05.670
one and finding a character that the pride thing

00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:08.489
and i think it worked with buzz off they made

00:43:08.489 --> 00:43:10.610
it work and i remember us i remember me saying

00:43:10.610 --> 00:43:12.849
this in the podcast when we did that when we

00:43:12.849 --> 00:43:15.809
talked about the episode however it's not an

00:43:15.809 --> 00:43:17.929
episode when i think of this series that i would

00:43:17.929 --> 00:43:21.530
ever go back to and watch so it's one of my least

00:43:21.530 --> 00:43:24.670
favorites yeah and it's unfortunate that um you

00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:28.329
know obviously they had the the back and forth

00:43:28.329 --> 00:43:31.590
they had to deal with during that time because

00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:33.949
it probably could have been better without that.

00:43:34.309 --> 00:43:36.389
But yeah, if you want to hear more about that,

00:43:36.429 --> 00:43:39.690
that's episode one 14 where we talk about buzz

00:43:39.690 --> 00:43:41.849
offs pride. I had that in the running too, as

00:43:41.849 --> 00:43:45.389
one of mine. I had a real debate going on who

00:43:45.389 --> 00:43:47.150
was going to be my number five pick for the worst.

00:43:47.170 --> 00:43:48.510
And it was in the running, but I didn't quite

00:43:48.510 --> 00:43:51.289
go with that one. I'm going to go with one that

00:43:51.289 --> 00:43:54.250
you're going to disagree with just to rile you

00:43:54.250 --> 00:43:57.650
up. But I'm going to go with, Episode 3, which

00:43:57.650 --> 00:44:01.789
is The Beginnings Part 3. Oh, come on! This is

00:44:01.789 --> 00:44:04.050
He -Man trying to save Ram -Man, who is captured,

00:44:04.269 --> 00:44:06.489
and Teela trying to save Man -at -Arms from Merman.

00:44:07.050 --> 00:44:10.170
And if you want to go back and listen, this is

00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:12.489
the first episode that we did in this section,

00:44:12.670 --> 00:44:15.789
but there's a whole subplot in here with Teela

00:44:15.789 --> 00:44:18.050
trying to save Man -at -Arms from Merman that

00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:21.710
is absolutely pointless. It does not belong.

00:44:21.789 --> 00:44:24.250
It is filler in order to make this three -parter

00:44:24.250 --> 00:44:27.420
three parts instead of two. We talk about it

00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:29.619
back when we did this episode, but they had enough

00:44:29.619 --> 00:44:32.860
content for like two and a third episodes. So

00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:34.940
they stretched it into three episodes by making

00:44:34.940 --> 00:44:37.820
this episode over bloated, not necessary and

00:44:37.820 --> 00:44:41.760
not nearly as good as the first two. That's my

00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.840
thought on the beginnings. Part three. What is

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.960
your number four? My number four is the deep

00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.239
end. And I had to actually look this one up to

00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.219
remember it, because if I don't remember the

00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:55.239
damn episode, but this is the episode where.

00:44:56.750 --> 00:44:59.349
He -Man must save man -at -arms from the belly

00:44:59.349 --> 00:45:01.829
of a sea beast. Wait, what did you just say?

00:45:02.730 --> 00:45:08.289
He -Man must save man -at -arms from the belly

00:45:08.289 --> 00:45:11.110
of a sea beast threatening Castle Grayskull.

00:45:11.389 --> 00:45:19.530
Yep. I am not a fan of this. Nope. It's about

00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:26.030
as ridiculous as the plot. you mentioned in um

00:45:26.030 --> 00:45:30.809
in beginnings part three it's the same plot yeah

00:45:30.809 --> 00:45:33.710
that's the same yeah uh tila was trying to save

00:45:33.710 --> 00:45:35.789
man -at -arms from merman and he was in the belly

00:45:35.789 --> 00:45:38.030
of a sea beast and then we got he -man being

00:45:38.030 --> 00:45:40.530
saved by saving man -at -arms from the belly

00:45:40.530 --> 00:45:42.889
of a sea beast also in episode six happens in

00:45:42.889 --> 00:45:45.630
episode three happens in episode six it wasn't

00:45:45.630 --> 00:45:47.969
the first time it's not good the second time

00:45:49.210 --> 00:45:53.150
Yeah, I'll get into that in a second. Oh, boy.

00:45:53.409 --> 00:45:56.010
Back up. I should have said the beginnings part

00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:58.550
three was written by Dean Stephan. He did a lot

00:45:58.550 --> 00:46:00.250
of episodes, but that's who was in my number

00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:01.769
five. Obviously, you've mentioned that Chrissy

00:46:01.769 --> 00:46:04.329
Marks did Buzz Off's Pride. The Deep End, which

00:46:04.329 --> 00:46:06.250
you just mentioned, was written by Brooks Wachtel.

00:46:07.289 --> 00:46:10.670
For my number four, I am going to go with Kevin

00:46:10.670 --> 00:46:13.469
Campbell's episode, episode number 36 in the

00:46:13.469 --> 00:46:17.969
series, and that is Web of Evil. Fisto and Man

00:46:17.969 --> 00:46:21.750
-at -Arms are drinking in the tavern, shooting

00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:24.530
the shit, catching up on all times. They're brothers,

00:46:24.670 --> 00:46:29.250
I guess. This is a confusing episode. It's not

00:46:29.250 --> 00:46:31.329
needed at this point in the series. Episode 36,

00:46:31.510 --> 00:46:33.269
it just doesn't belong. It should have been 15

00:46:33.269 --> 00:46:36.769
episodes earlier, at least. There's no Skeletor.

00:46:37.730 --> 00:46:41.110
We had Voltron. We had Donkey Kong rollercoaster

00:46:41.110 --> 00:46:44.380
throughout the castle. Um, we had way too many

00:46:44.380 --> 00:46:46.780
spiders that I don't care for. So there was,

00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:49.480
it was, there was a lot of things involved in

00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.639
this episode and I didn't care for most of them.

00:46:51.699 --> 00:46:54.960
So yeah, web of evil is just not good. It's,

00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:56.559
it's a bizarre episode. I don't know what was

00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.360
going on. I think Kevin Campbell was drunk or

00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.460
high or, or on acid or something when he did

00:47:00.460 --> 00:47:03.500
this episode, or maybe he had like six episodes

00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:05.000
that he was working on at the time. And they

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:06.800
were like, Oh, you were canceling the series.

00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:08.619
So you only can write one. He just decided to

00:47:08.619 --> 00:47:09.960
throw a whole bunch of shit in this one, but

00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.869
it's weird. Weird. What's your number three?

00:47:15.329 --> 00:47:19.010
That would be... I kind of hate to say this,

00:47:19.110 --> 00:47:24.130
but it is. It's Second Skin. First of all, too

00:47:24.130 --> 00:47:26.929
much Snake Men. Second of all, too much Snake

00:47:26.929 --> 00:47:31.530
Men pulling a mask where they have to find whatever

00:47:31.530 --> 00:47:35.329
MacGuffin Matrix thing you can think of kind

00:47:35.329 --> 00:47:38.440
of thing. And then, you know, turning everybody

00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.960
into snake people. And then that rubbing off

00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.179
into Man -at -Arms later, because once you go

00:47:43.179 --> 00:47:46.940
snake, you can't go back, apparently. Yeah. I

00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:51.159
mean, I gave this one a four, so I didn't hate

00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.739
it as much as you. I remember you not liking

00:47:53.739 --> 00:47:55.420
it, so I'm not surprised that she was up here.

00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.900
For my number three, I don't even remember who

00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:04.840
wrote yours. That would be the second skin, right?

00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.860
That's Steve Melching. Oh, I'm sorry, Steve.

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.340
Yeah, that's why it's so bizarre that you had

00:48:09.340 --> 00:48:13.260
that there. Anyways, for my number three, I'm

00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:14.659
going to go with the Michael Reeves episode.

00:48:14.699 --> 00:48:17.039
This is number 13 in the series. It's called

00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.219
Night of the Shadow Beasts. They turned the entire

00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:23.440
episode into a PSA, and they even stopped the

00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.139
episode at halfway through to explain it to us,

00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:29.659
the PSA aspects of it. And also, the Shadow Beasts

00:48:29.659 --> 00:48:32.829
look stupid. Um, they look silly, especially

00:48:32.829 --> 00:48:37.369
from a distance. So this, I don't need, um, a

00:48:37.369 --> 00:48:39.250
whole lot of PSA in my episodes. I certainly

00:48:39.250 --> 00:48:40.750
don't need an entire episode that has turned

00:48:40.750 --> 00:48:43.809
into a PSA. So I get people are afraid of the

00:48:43.809 --> 00:48:46.989
dark. This episode suck though. Yeah. And that

00:48:46.989 --> 00:48:49.469
episode was written by a really, really good

00:48:49.469 --> 00:48:53.299
animation writer and storyboard and story. television

00:48:53.299 --> 00:48:56.519
person, which is Michael Reeves. He's worked

00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:00.780
on Batman the Animated Series, Gargoyles, a bunch

00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:03.079
of other things in the 80s and 90s. I think the

00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:04.920
series could have been, or the series, the episode

00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:06.880
could have been decent, done a little bit differently,

00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.360
but it just came across so preachy that it just

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.199
wasn't for me. So, sorry, Michael. I know you

00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.380
do good stuff, just like Maltune does good stuff,

00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:18.920
and Mike listed him. So, go ahead. What's your

00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:24.730
number two? Web of Evil. Yes. There could have

00:49:24.730 --> 00:49:27.309
been some other way you could have featured Web

00:49:27.309 --> 00:49:31.210
Store. Yes. There could have been some other

00:49:31.210 --> 00:49:36.510
way where... you'd have him up against Skeletor

00:49:36.510 --> 00:49:39.269
or something like his whole thing in this episode

00:49:39.269 --> 00:49:42.130
is he wants to take over. He wants to rule. He

00:49:42.130 --> 00:49:44.070
wants to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh my

00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:47.050
God. He now has ambrosia. Oh my God. He can now

00:49:47.050 --> 00:49:49.389
lay all these disgusting spider eggs. Oh my God.

00:49:49.409 --> 00:49:51.449
Oh my God. Oh my God. But yet there's nobody

00:49:51.449 --> 00:49:53.949
here other than the masters. Like Skeletor isn't

00:49:53.949 --> 00:49:56.889
stepping up to him. Skeletor disappeared at this

00:49:56.889 --> 00:50:01.880
point. So yeah. yeah it's not good obviously

00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.219
said on that one so my number two we haven't

00:50:06.219 --> 00:50:08.340
talked about it yet also written by dean stefan

00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:10.099
again he wrote so many episodes that he was bound

00:50:10.099 --> 00:50:12.480
to come up and probably both parts of this but

00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.239
uh i'm going with episode number 22 of the series

00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.940
and that is called the island um this is the

00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:24.000
episode that features decker who is um obviously

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:29.960
uh a friend of man at arms And we see crabs and

00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.800
claw people against the masters. We see stupid

00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:34.480
-looking jellyfish that make no sense whatsoever.

00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:38.139
But really, it's just the whole fact that this

00:50:38.139 --> 00:50:40.900
episode just seems completely out of place. This

00:50:40.900 --> 00:50:44.579
comes between... Snake Pit happens right before

00:50:44.579 --> 00:50:48.000
it, which is the introduction of the Snake Men.

00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.599
And then we get this. And then we go back into

00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.860
eventually the Council of Evil, etc. So it's

00:50:54.860 --> 00:50:57.949
just like... I don't get this episode. It's weird.

00:50:58.909 --> 00:51:01.429
I like Decker as a character. I wish he could

00:51:01.429 --> 00:51:03.670
have had a better episode, but something just

00:51:03.670 --> 00:51:07.090
didn't work with this one. So Island is my number

00:51:07.090 --> 00:51:10.210
two. What is your number one? Number one would

00:51:10.210 --> 00:51:14.789
be everybody heading down to Cobra Commander's

00:51:14.789 --> 00:51:19.190
place. Awaken the Cobra. Awaken the Serpent,

00:51:19.190 --> 00:51:23.699
huh? It was the worst series finale, and I know

00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:25.460
they didn't plan it this way. This is the final

00:51:25.460 --> 00:51:27.719
episode of the series written by Dean Stephan.

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.380
Right. I know they didn't plan it this way. I

00:51:30.380 --> 00:51:32.579
know the story was supposed to continue, but

00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:35.179
again, Cartoon Network is a fickle, fickle bitch

00:51:35.179 --> 00:51:38.639
that only likes their own stupid animated stuff

00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.659
that they do. You know, Powerpuff Girls, Johnny

00:51:41.659 --> 00:51:44.480
Bravo, all that notwithstanding, but all the

00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:46.699
more recent stuff. I just don't like Cartoon

00:51:46.699 --> 00:51:51.179
Network original stuff anymore. I remember when

00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:54.519
I was watching this back in 2002 and 2003, I

00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:59.179
was like, Ooh, yay. New He -Man. Yeah. 22, 23

00:51:59.179 --> 00:52:02.059
year old me acting like a four year old, but

00:52:02.059 --> 00:52:04.360
it's one of those things where I was like, Oh,

00:52:04.460 --> 00:52:07.920
this is what some things don't change. Hey, now

00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.909
watch it. But it was like, oh, this is really

00:52:12.909 --> 00:52:15.929
cool. Oh, very cool. Again, continuity this,

00:52:16.070 --> 00:52:18.650
continuity that. Story -based this, story -based

00:52:18.650 --> 00:52:21.869
that. These characters are really fun. Awesome.

00:52:21.929 --> 00:52:25.349
I have more He -Man now. Because before this,

00:52:25.489 --> 00:52:32.690
we had the new adventures. Anyway. But it just...

00:52:32.690 --> 00:52:37.679
I don't know. May the man rest in peace. Dean

00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.679
is Dean. Stefan is no longer with us. I don't

00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.780
know what the, the hubbub was with this. I don't

00:52:43.780 --> 00:52:46.059
know why, if it was cartoon network, if it was

00:52:46.059 --> 00:52:48.760
Mattel, if it was whatever, maybe the toys weren't

00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.280
selling. Cause I know you always stand up for

00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.679
the whole, Oh, it's just a toy commercial thing

00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.079
when really it isn't. But a lot of times toy

00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.019
sales do affect animation at times. So it's one

00:53:02.019 --> 00:53:04.510
of those things where. I wish we knew the story

00:53:04.510 --> 00:53:10.210
of why I wish we knew was who was it that made

00:53:10.210 --> 00:53:12.730
the decision? Because if they had just given

00:53:12.730 --> 00:53:15.730
us like 45 episodes, if they had just given us

00:53:15.730 --> 00:53:19.489
a little bit more to get a proper series finale,

00:53:19.590 --> 00:53:22.050
you know, this is like, you know, sci -fi channel

00:53:22.050 --> 00:53:25.210
canceling alphas or, you know, firefly only getting

00:53:25.210 --> 00:53:28.550
one season or something. This just hurts. And

00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:32.050
for this to be the final episode, It was just

00:53:32.050 --> 00:53:35.730
underwhelming because it's more Snake Men stuff

00:53:35.730 --> 00:53:38.789
that I don't, even back then I didn't care about

00:53:38.789 --> 00:53:42.230
it, especially now I don't. Yeah. I mean, I get

00:53:42.230 --> 00:53:44.130
that it's disappointing as a series finale. I

00:53:44.130 --> 00:53:45.510
still don't think it's that bad of an episode.

00:53:45.570 --> 00:53:48.710
I gave it a four, but I do get the disappointment

00:53:48.710 --> 00:53:50.789
of the series overall ended on that note. So

00:53:50.789 --> 00:53:52.969
I do understand that. So you had Awaken the Serpent

00:53:52.969 --> 00:53:54.889
and Second Skin, two of the Snake episodes as

00:53:54.889 --> 00:53:57.500
you're in your bottom five. I didn't have those

00:53:57.500 --> 00:54:00.000
two. If I would have put a snake episode in here,

00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.039
I didn't have it in my bottom five, but it would

00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.159
have been rattle of the snake men for me. Cause

00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.000
that was just like the third time that the snake

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.019
men were looking for another artifact to get

00:54:09.019 --> 00:54:11.840
another bean free stuff like that. So that was

00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.559
the one that I kind of had timed out on her,

00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.460
you know, basically been ready to tune out on

00:54:16.460 --> 00:54:17.820
the snake men by that point. That was episode

00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:20.639
37. Um, so that would have been the one that

00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.179
I put in there, but instead, um, for my number

00:54:23.179 --> 00:54:24.639
one, it's one that's already been mentioned.

00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:27.039
That is episode six written by Brooks Wachtel.

00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:29.159
This is the deep end. This is the worst episode

00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.659
in the series to me. Um, real close, but this

00:54:32.659 --> 00:54:35.400
one's just so bad because we literally three

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.440
episodes prior had already gotten the story like

00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.219
when they needed more room and, and. The beginning

00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:44.400
is part three. So they stuck in a storyline with

00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.380
Merman being inside or Merman capturing Man -at

00:54:47.380 --> 00:54:51.320
-Arms, having him inside of Sea Beast. Fill that

00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.719
episode out. And then they kept and they clearly

00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:56.159
stole that from another script that they were

00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.920
going to do. But yeah, that episode anyways,

00:54:59.380 --> 00:55:03.480
three episodes later. Yep. Like there were some

00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.159
good interactions between Skeletor and Evelyn.

00:55:05.300 --> 00:55:07.880
So it wasn't like 100 % bad. I did give it a

00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:09.639
two. This isn't like a one or a zero or something

00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:12.420
like this. But it was just a redundant, not necessary

00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:15.719
episode that just wasn't done well. So The Deep

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.039
End is my least favorite episode. And if you

00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.860
were to go by our actual rankings, it was the

00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:24.400
only episode that both Mike and I gave a 2 -2.

00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.300
We did not give any scores out lower than a 2,

00:55:27.380 --> 00:55:29.000
and it is the only episode that we both gave

00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:35.179
a 2 -2. So, 2 -2. Please, stop saying that. So

00:55:35.179 --> 00:55:38.659
that's with that. You didn't stick quite true

00:55:38.659 --> 00:55:43.449
to your rankings, sir. I went by three and under.

00:55:43.469 --> 00:55:46.429
So I like that. I went by with whatever that

00:55:46.429 --> 00:55:49.989
photo was that you sent me. So that's what I

00:55:49.989 --> 00:55:52.849
went by. Cause you had the deep end was your,

00:55:52.869 --> 00:55:54.829
your only episode you gave a two and then you

00:55:54.829 --> 00:55:56.510
had the Island and web of evil, which you gave

00:55:56.510 --> 00:55:57.869
a two and a half. And then, like I said, we were

00:55:57.869 --> 00:56:00.000
going to have to rank some threes. So you had

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.340
a couple of threes in there, which makes sense.

00:56:01.860 --> 00:56:04.260
I had the Island in the Deep End at a two, Night

00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:05.860
of the Shadow Beast at a two and a half, and

00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:07.420
then I had to pick a couple of threes as well.

00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.659
So those are episodes I would stay away from.

00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:11.699
But like we said, some of those are still threes.

00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:14.239
So it's just a sign that this series overall

00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:18.340
wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Or

00:56:18.340 --> 00:56:20.940
it probably benefited from the fact that there

00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:22.699
was only 39 episodes because I didn't have a

00:56:22.699 --> 00:56:24.639
whole lot of time to get bad episodes in there.

00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:26.940
So when you have 130 or something, you're going

00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:30.360
to have a few stinkers along the way. Yeah, and

00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:35.619
like I said, if they had gotten to at least,

00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.619
let's just say, two more seasons, 65 episodes

00:56:38.619 --> 00:56:42.699
in total of the entire series, and worked on

00:56:42.699 --> 00:56:45.139
the story and realized, oh, this is continuity

00:56:45.139 --> 00:56:47.659
driven. We don't need a one -off episode where

00:56:47.659 --> 00:56:50.440
Web Store is going to try to take over and no

00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.139
one's going to stop him other than the good guys

00:56:52.139 --> 00:56:54.449
kind of thing. Maybe we would have gotten more

00:56:54.449 --> 00:56:56.449
with Skeletor. Maybe we would have gotten more

00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:58.710
with Hordak and we would have left the Snake

00:56:58.710 --> 00:57:00.769
Men alone. But there's nothing we can do about

00:57:00.769 --> 00:57:04.730
that now. Yeah. We are going to take a quick

00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:06.570
break and then we're going to talk some more

00:57:06.570 --> 00:57:08.070
positive stuff. We're going to tell you which

00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:09.710
episodes you should check out. If you only have

00:57:09.710 --> 00:57:11.849
a chance to check out five episodes of this series,

00:57:11.949 --> 00:57:13.409
we're going to tell you which ones those should

00:57:13.409 --> 00:57:15.730
be. So stick with us. Never was there a heart

00:57:15.730 --> 00:57:22.260
as pure and good as yours, my husband. I must

00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:26.920
act. You must help me. If you choose this path,

00:57:27.219 --> 00:57:31.400
there is no turning back, and you may perish.

00:57:32.739 --> 00:57:35.800
And if I do nothing, then all of Eternia shall

00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.860
perish. All right, thanks for sticking with us.

00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.579
Like I said before the break, if you only have

00:57:39.579 --> 00:57:42.420
a chance to listen to five or watch five episodes

00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:45.659
of the 2002 series, this is going to be Mike's

00:57:45.659 --> 00:57:48.460
and my opinion on which five you should watch.

00:57:48.860 --> 00:57:51.539
All right. This is a little bit harder for me

00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:53.900
because there were so many more good episodes

00:57:53.900 --> 00:57:58.500
in this series than there was bad. But my ranking

00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:00.360
system kind of helped because I really only gave

00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.300
five episodes of five. So that was pretty easy

00:58:02.300 --> 00:58:04.579
for me. You gave like a thousand episodes of

00:58:04.579 --> 00:58:07.320
five. So it's going to be a lot harder for you.

00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.219
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:11.579
nine, ten, eleven. You have 12 episodes of five.

00:58:11.579 --> 00:58:13.400
So you had a harder time probably narrowing this

00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.119
down. But what did you come up with your fifth

00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.119
best episode of the series? My number six and

00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.739
number five. Number five is a tie between Mackinac's

00:58:22.739 --> 00:58:28.159
Lament and Sweet Smell of Victory. Okay. I love

00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.800
what they did with Mackinac here. I love that

00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:33.460
they kind of tie him into Count Marzo in the

00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:35.360
beginning kind of thing. I thought that was really

00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:37.519
cool. I thought that was a great way to introduce

00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.900
Marzo, a great way to show off Mackinac. I think

00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:42.280
that's great. Sweet Smell of Victory is just

00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:46.130
a fun. frigging episode because you have an origin

00:58:46.130 --> 00:58:50.050
for stink or you have this little character that

00:58:50.050 --> 00:58:52.210
everybody's looking for that he just wants to

00:58:52.210 --> 00:58:55.769
fit in kind of thing. And then he, you know,

00:58:55.769 --> 00:58:59.530
finally just rebels against everything and says,

00:58:59.590 --> 00:59:01.409
screw it. I'm going to be an evil warrior and

00:59:01.409 --> 00:59:05.389
smell is going to be my, my evil power. And I

00:59:05.389 --> 00:59:07.110
just, I love that. I thought that was great.

00:59:08.269 --> 00:59:09.989
Interesting. You did not rank Sweet Smell of

00:59:09.989 --> 00:59:12.090
Victory as a five when we watched it. I know

00:59:12.090 --> 00:59:14.130
I didn't. That's interesting. You gave that one

00:59:14.130 --> 00:59:15.969
a three and a half. So I'm interested that that

00:59:15.969 --> 00:59:20.349
made it in there amongst your 12 fives. But Mechanic

00:59:20.349 --> 00:59:23.349
Lament, you gave that one a five. I gave that

00:59:23.349 --> 00:59:24.929
one a four and a half. So obviously I'm not going

00:59:24.929 --> 00:59:27.610
to disagree with that. That was written by Laura

00:59:27.610 --> 00:59:30.869
Olson and Eric Runnels. Sweet Smell of Victory

00:59:30.869 --> 00:59:33.630
was Kevin Campbell. But interesting. That's not

00:59:33.630 --> 00:59:35.809
what I thought was going to be your tie. All

00:59:35.809 --> 00:59:38.889
right, all right. For my number five, I am going

00:59:38.889 --> 00:59:41.690
to go with episode 21, written by Stephen Melching,

00:59:41.809 --> 00:59:46.849
and that is Snake Pit. That would be the initial

00:59:46.849 --> 00:59:51.269
introduction to the Snake Men. We got a lot of

00:59:51.269 --> 00:59:53.369
Cobra Khan in here. We get the history of Snake

00:59:53.369 --> 00:59:56.030
Mountain. We get the history of the Council of

00:59:56.030 --> 00:59:59.409
Elders. It's first appearance by Zodak. So there

00:59:59.409 --> 01:00:03.929
is just a whole lot to enjoy and like about Snake

01:00:03.929 --> 01:00:08.070
Pit. It's also kind of a kickoff or kind of when

01:00:08.070 --> 01:00:11.449
the tide turned in the series. Like from Snake

01:00:11.449 --> 01:00:13.829
Pit through the end, it's a different vibe. It's

01:00:13.829 --> 01:00:15.769
a different set of stories for the most part.

01:00:15.949 --> 01:00:19.840
So it's almost... I mean, it's a new season,

01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:23.059
basically. So I enjoyed Snake Pit. Obviously,

01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:24.820
I already talked about how Zodak was one of my

01:00:24.820 --> 01:00:26.840
favorite characters. I like the Snake Men being

01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:28.519
involved in this. I know it sounds like we don't

01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.000
because we bitched about King Hiss being one

01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.539
of our least favorite characters. We rattled

01:00:31.539 --> 01:00:34.260
off a couple of them as our less favorite episodes.

01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:37.599
But Snake Men overall are good in this series,

01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.699
and I enjoy that they're there. It adds a lot

01:00:39.699 --> 01:00:42.239
to the second season. So Snake Pit is my number

01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.179
five. What is your number four? My number four

01:00:46.179 --> 01:00:49.500
is... Which, by the way, I'll time out. Snake

01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:52.739
Pit, we both gave a five, too. So, it's definitely...

01:00:52.739 --> 01:00:56.039
No, absolutely. Again, origin episodes are always

01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.280
good. Origin episodes give us backstory of what

01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.599
we may not have known before or maybe what we've

01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.840
always wanted to know. That's absolutely fine.

01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:07.159
The rest of the Snake Pit episodes? Eh, whatever.

01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:08.599
There's a couple other good ones, but anyways,

01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.039
go ahead with your next one. Number four for

01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:15.260
me is Out of the Past. Because we get Teela's

01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:18.019
origin, we get Sorceress's origin, we get this

01:01:18.019 --> 01:01:23.460
whole cool Sorceress story. It's easily the best

01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:27.960
Teela episode of the entire series. Still a Teela

01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:29.780
episode, though. That's why I only gave it a

01:01:29.780 --> 01:01:33.019
four and a half. But no, it's a good episode.

01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:36.500
I'm not trying to be too hard on it. Out of the

01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:38.659
Past is a good episode. I was trying to find

01:01:38.659 --> 01:01:41.119
out who wrote that one. That would be Dean Steffen.

01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:44.719
Yep, Dean Steffen. That was one of the ones that

01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.300
kind of came in at the end, too, with the second

01:01:46.300 --> 01:01:49.519
season, so to speak. So I enjoyed that one. Episode

01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:54.599
three of the second season. Yeah. So out for

01:01:54.599 --> 01:02:00.000
mine, I'm going to cheat just like you did. And

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.219
I'm going to go with a tie for my number four

01:02:02.219 --> 01:02:08.079
pick. And my tie, my tie. Not the drink. But

01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:11.500
my tie would be Rise of the Snake Men Part 1

01:02:11.500 --> 01:02:14.440
and Rise of the Snake Men Part 2. These are episodes

01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.539
30 and 31, both written by Stephen Melching.

01:02:16.579 --> 01:02:18.420
So, yes, that's three Stephen Melching episodes

01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:21.920
in a row. We got the introduction of the Snake

01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.260
Men and Snake Pit, like I said before. In Rise

01:02:24.260 --> 01:02:25.940
of the Snake Men, though, this is when we get

01:02:25.940 --> 01:02:28.820
to meet Squeeze and King Hiss and Snake Face

01:02:28.820 --> 01:02:30.659
and Tongue Lasher. They're finally, you know,

01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:35.510
basically released. This is like where we hit

01:02:35.510 --> 01:02:37.789
the ground running. So I thought this two -parter

01:02:37.789 --> 01:02:40.210
was fantastic. I had given a five to both parts

01:02:40.210 --> 01:02:44.869
of it. I know you had only given a five to one

01:02:44.869 --> 01:02:46.409
of them and you gave a four to the other one,

01:02:46.469 --> 01:02:49.250
but that's still pretty good. I just think this

01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:51.710
was a really kind of cool way to continue the

01:02:51.710 --> 01:02:54.070
Snake Men story in this. And I had not soured

01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:55.670
on the Snake Men yet. You know, we got Snake

01:02:55.670 --> 01:02:59.619
Pit. We've got a few other episodes. We get the

01:02:59.619 --> 01:03:02.460
two -parter for Rise of the Snake Men and a little

01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:04.579
bit more. And then is, I think, when it starts

01:03:04.579 --> 01:03:08.179
to go off the chains a little bit. As we get

01:03:08.179 --> 01:03:10.019
to Second Skin and Rattle of the Snake Men and

01:03:10.019 --> 01:03:11.699
Awaken the Serpent, that's when it kind of gets

01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:13.539
into Overkill. But at the beginning there, I

01:03:13.539 --> 01:03:14.900
still think it was hitting on all cylinders.

01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.500
So I like the Rise of the Snake Men two -parter.

01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.320
Absolutely. What's your number three, sir? That

01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:28.389
would be... Oh, boy. That would be The Last Stand,

01:03:28.610 --> 01:03:30.670
which technically should have been Council of

01:03:30.670 --> 01:03:36.550
Evil Part 3. It is, but I was so... Also written

01:03:36.550 --> 01:03:38.570
by Dean Stephan. Yep, written by Dean Stephan.

01:03:38.690 --> 01:03:42.590
I was so ready for Council of Evil to wrap up

01:03:42.590 --> 01:03:45.510
the season, and then they cliffhangered it, and

01:03:45.510 --> 01:03:48.789
I'm like, oh, really? Come on. The Last Stand

01:03:48.789 --> 01:03:53.670
has one of the best He -Man battles I've seen

01:03:53.670 --> 01:03:59.099
in a long time. It's just full on. He man doing

01:03:59.099 --> 01:04:02.980
his thing against Skeletor against the evil warriors.

01:04:04.460 --> 01:04:10.300
It's his last stand and it is just so good. Yeah.

01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:12.280
I was not on the same page with you on this one.

01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:15.400
I gave this one a three and a half. Didn't even

01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.719
get into my fours, but Mike liked it. So maybe

01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.699
you should check it out. Um, for my number three,

01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:24.000
I'm going to go to episode 32 written by Larry

01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.559
Dottilio. And that is the price of deceit. This,

01:04:27.659 --> 01:04:30.320
um, you, you know, it's interesting cause they

01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:31.760
have the beginnings part three and then, you

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.039
know, you have the council of evil, which you

01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.260
said last Dan could be a part three of that price

01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:37.099
of deceit could almost be a part three of rise

01:04:37.099 --> 01:04:40.579
of the snake men because it's a followup to what

01:04:40.579 --> 01:04:44.199
happens. And this is where we go into what we

01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.980
talked about during the character talk about,

01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:50.590
um, evil Lynn. And, you know, the faceless one

01:04:50.590 --> 01:04:53.989
and her history and everything about that. And

01:04:53.989 --> 01:04:59.010
it's just done so well. It's just cool to see

01:04:59.010 --> 01:05:00.889
sides of characters that we had never seen before.

01:05:01.110 --> 01:05:04.130
And I think Larry Dottilio crafted a great episode

01:05:04.130 --> 01:05:07.289
with price of deceit. You gave it a five as well.

01:05:07.329 --> 01:05:09.489
So obviously we're in agreement on this one,

01:05:09.610 --> 01:05:12.110
but I think the rise of the snake man combination,

01:05:12.170 --> 01:05:14.929
and then this one followed up with it three fives

01:05:14.929 --> 01:05:16.409
in a row for me. And then they all happen to

01:05:16.409 --> 01:05:18.030
be on the same podcast episode, which I don't

01:05:18.030 --> 01:05:19.610
think has ever happened for me to have three

01:05:19.610 --> 01:05:22.710
fives in the same episode. And this was the culmination

01:05:22.710 --> 01:05:24.710
of that. So I'm a big fan of price of deceit.

01:05:26.150 --> 01:05:29.840
Absolutely. Your number two. My number two is,

01:05:30.019 --> 01:05:35.199
regardless of the antiquated, overused, multi

01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.440
-plot layer in part three, overall is the beginning.

01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.480
Because, holy crap, I've never seen stories like

01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.320
what we got in the beginning. Like, I mean, I've

01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.880
seen, not with these characters, not with this

01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:54.440
universe, the fact that we got, you know, Keldor

01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.739
and Randor as brothers. And Keldor obviously

01:05:58.739 --> 01:06:03.400
becomes Skeletor and Kronos becomes Trapjaw and

01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:07.940
all of this and everything else. I remember when

01:06:07.940 --> 01:06:11.820
I watched this back in 2002 when it aired, I

01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:15.400
was literally glued to my television at the time

01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:19.039
because I was like, huh? What? Really? They did

01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:21.239
that? That's the way they're going to do that?

01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.639
Oh, Adam looks so cool. He doesn't look like

01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:27.099
people put him in some sort of fairy YouTube

01:06:27.099 --> 01:06:31.239
video or something or other thing. And it just

01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:37.800
was so, so much of a great opening origin to

01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:41.039
tell you where these characters come from and

01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:44.239
how these characters came to be. Are you saying

01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.679
part one, part two, or part three? All of it.

01:06:46.860 --> 01:06:48.880
Okay. All right. I was going to say, because

01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.880
you gave them all different radiance. Yeah, I

01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.280
know. I agree with part one and part two are

01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.599
pretty good. I gave them both fours. You were

01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:57.980
somewhat in agreement. You gave one of them a

01:06:57.980 --> 01:06:59.320
four and one of them a four and a half. And then

01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.480
you gave part three a five, which is silly. But

01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.579
I don't fault you for liking the beginning of

01:07:05.579 --> 01:07:07.500
the series overall because it does set the stage

01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:11.159
pretty well. For my number two, we disagreed

01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.480
on this one, but I don't see how anyone can see

01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.400
this as a bad episode like you did. So I'm going

01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:18.750
to go with. Until the last time, I'm going with

01:07:18.750 --> 01:07:20.909
Larry Dottilio this time. This is episode 38,

01:07:21.030 --> 01:07:22.750
the second -to -last episode of the series. It's

01:07:22.750 --> 01:07:28.429
called History, and I loved this episode. We

01:07:28.429 --> 01:07:30.690
got the culmination of a lot of things here,

01:07:30.849 --> 01:07:34.670
but also a lot of history when it came to what

01:07:34.670 --> 01:07:39.190
went on. We learned a lot about Eternia. We learned

01:07:39.190 --> 01:07:40.849
a lot about Grayskull. We learned a lot about

01:07:40.849 --> 01:07:45.000
a lot of the characters involved. history is

01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.760
easily one of the top two episodes for me overall

01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.840
like when it came down to do this like my number

01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:51.559
one and my number two were pretty easy picks

01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:54.539
it was just ordering the other three and history

01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:56.739
came in at number two for me i know you didn't

01:07:56.739 --> 01:07:59.059
like it but i think you shouldn't re -watch it

01:07:59.059 --> 01:08:03.000
sometime what is your number one my number one

01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:29.060
is oh great oracle i seek your help The namesake

01:08:29.060 --> 01:08:35.039
of the podcast, folks. Ah, you made it. Oracle,

01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.659
what sort of trickery? I journeyed to find great

01:08:39.659 --> 01:08:47.600
power. Open the box. It contains a sword of power.

01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:58.079
But this is my sword. I lost it in battle with

01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.939
the Snake Man. It possesses no great power. No,

01:09:02.140 --> 01:09:05.640
but you do. You discovered that on your journey.

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.960
The power of Greyskull. Interesting. One of 12

01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:14.720
fives that you had. I loved this. You picked

01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.279
out one of the 12 fives. I only had six fives.

01:09:19.149 --> 01:09:20.869
And you somehow picked out the one that I also

01:09:20.869 --> 01:09:25.130
have at number one. We're both in agreement here.

01:09:25.170 --> 01:09:27.109
Power of Grayskull, number one. This is written

01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:29.890
by Dean Stephan. It's episode 35. I'll let you

01:09:29.890 --> 01:09:31.250
take it away. Why did you like this episode?

01:09:31.829 --> 01:09:35.789
This episode sets up so much that sadly never

01:09:35.789 --> 01:09:43.029
gets to be explored more. We get the, oh, you

01:09:43.029 --> 01:09:45.850
know, and we almost get the fact that He -Man

01:09:45.850 --> 01:09:50.149
and Adam are separate people. Because how is

01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:57.329
King Grayskull He -Man's ancestor if, you know

01:09:57.329 --> 01:10:00.449
what I mean? If Adam never was He -Man before

01:10:00.449 --> 01:10:03.869
this, is he also Adam's? I assume. I would assume

01:10:03.869 --> 01:10:06.409
so because that's just how lineage works, whatever.

01:10:06.590 --> 01:10:11.649
But it's one of those things where seeing Eternia's

01:10:11.649 --> 01:10:16.130
past, seeing Castle Grayskull in its heyday.

01:10:16.949 --> 01:10:22.529
seeing hordak for the first time seeing what

01:10:22.529 --> 01:10:27.010
king grayskull had to give up in order for things

01:10:27.010 --> 01:10:33.789
to right go the correct way for everybody on

01:10:33.789 --> 01:10:37.949
the planet it's just such the animation in it

01:10:37.949 --> 01:10:40.909
is amazing the character designs all of it is

01:10:40.909 --> 01:10:43.930
so so good right another interesting thing that

01:10:43.930 --> 01:10:45.310
they do with that one is they do have some that

01:10:45.310 --> 01:10:48.199
are like basically their counterparts and their

01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:51.420
ancestral counterparts. So you have King Greyskull,

01:10:51.579 --> 01:10:55.159
you have He -Man, you have Battle Cat, you have

01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.880
like... Hulk lion, whatever that guy's name was.

01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:01.079
So a lot of them are like, you know, you have

01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:03.060
a sorceress that's almost identical to the other,

01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:05.199
you know, et cetera. But then they also have

01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:06.439
some characters that are completely different.

01:11:06.619 --> 01:11:09.060
Obviously, you know, the council of elders isn't

01:11:09.060 --> 01:11:10.960
like one for one for anybody that we got now.

01:11:11.739 --> 01:11:13.640
So I like the way that they kind of switch that

01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:14.920
up a little bit, but you're right. It's just

01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.100
like, if you're like origin stories, if you like

01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:20.220
continuity, if you like history of characters

01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:22.760
and things like that, then this episode has all

01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:26.260
of that in spades. It's unfortunate they didn't

01:11:26.260 --> 01:11:27.859
get to go anywhere after it, basically, after

01:11:27.859 --> 01:11:31.960
this episode. But there's only a few episodes

01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:34.880
left of the series after this. It was good nonetheless.

01:11:35.340 --> 01:11:37.380
So we're in agreement. Number one, how the hell

01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:41.819
did that happen? So that's bizarre. Let's see

01:11:41.819 --> 01:11:43.479
what else we have in common or not in common.

01:11:43.539 --> 01:11:45.119
After the break, we're going to touch on some

01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:46.859
statistics, talk about some writers a little

01:11:46.859 --> 01:11:49.279
bit, and some overall scores for the series.

01:11:49.399 --> 01:12:07.270
We'll be right back. Kindness and strength. It's

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what we're doing today. Okay, Michael, if we're

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going to tackle this podcast thing, we've got

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to do something really special. It has to be

01:14:24.489 --> 01:14:28.350
cool, daily, in audio form, and undetectable

01:14:28.350 --> 01:14:32.239
by radar. Something that screams summer. I know,

01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:34.819
let's do a Phineas and Ferb review podcast. We'll

01:14:34.819 --> 01:14:37.319
call it the Podcast Organization Without a Cool

01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:40.260
Acronym, or PALCA for short. What do you think?

01:14:40.619 --> 01:14:43.279
I think if we're not careful, Candace is going

01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:48.560
to bust us. You can find PALCA on the Geekcast,

01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.760
Radio Network, iTunes, Blog Talk Radio, and all

01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:54.939
of the other methods you find podcasts. Okay

01:14:54.939 --> 01:15:04.539
then, carry on. Thanks for sticking with us.

01:15:04.579 --> 01:15:06.319
As we start this, Mike, I want to just go over

01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:08.340
some that we had in common and not in common

01:15:08.340 --> 01:15:10.100
when it came to episodes. Just finish up a little

01:15:10.100 --> 01:15:12.859
bit, talk about that. So if you combine our rankings,

01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:16.539
we had four episodes that ranked a five overall.

01:15:17.020 --> 01:15:20.760
That would be Snake Pit, which was on my top

01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:24.399
five. Rise of the Snake Men Part 2, which was

01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:28.420
on my top five. The Price of Deceit. which was

01:15:28.420 --> 01:15:31.460
also on my top five, and The Power of Greyskull.

01:15:31.939 --> 01:15:35.060
So those were the four that we agreed on as fives.

01:15:36.100 --> 01:15:37.939
Lowest episodes would have been Deep End, which

01:15:37.939 --> 01:15:40.500
we had the two, and then The Island and Web of

01:15:40.500 --> 01:15:44.800
Evil, which we both had at two and a half. We

01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:46.800
had one, two, three, four, five episodes that

01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:50.680
combined at a 4 .75, two at a 4 .5, three at

01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:56.029
4 .25. 7 at 4, about another 7 at 3 .5, and then

01:15:56.029 --> 01:15:59.069
3 at 3 .25. So a lot of good rankings in there

01:15:59.069 --> 01:16:02.010
overall. Interesting when you look at the writers

01:16:02.010 --> 01:16:04.569
a little bit. I didn't realize this going into

01:16:04.569 --> 01:16:07.409
it or as we went along the way, but you can see

01:16:07.409 --> 01:16:09.289
a distinct difference between the writing team

01:16:09.289 --> 01:16:12.149
in the first season and the second season. Oh,

01:16:12.149 --> 01:16:15.029
yeah. If you look at the second half of the series,

01:16:15.109 --> 01:16:18.489
let's just take, for example, episode 21 on.

01:16:19.489 --> 01:16:24.659
So 21 to 39. If you take 21 to 39, there was

01:16:24.659 --> 01:16:30.380
only one, two, three, four, basically four writers

01:16:30.380 --> 01:16:33.920
that did episode 21 through 39 with one exception.

01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:36.800
The one exception would be Michael Halperin did

01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:39.119
one episode. But other than that, we had Kevin

01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.239
Campbell did two. We had Larry Dottilio did three.

01:16:42.779 --> 01:16:45.760
Stephen Belching did five. And then Dean Stephan

01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:49.760
did the rest. Right. Um, so that's, so if you

01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:51.680
look at the second half, you're only looking

01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:54.159
at like four or five names. If you look at the

01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.619
first half outside of the first four episodes,

01:16:56.699 --> 01:16:58.439
which were all Dean Stephan, and then he did

01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:02.619
one more episode later. And Michael Reeves did

01:17:02.619 --> 01:17:07.720
three. Um, Larry Dottilio did two. William Forrest

01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:11.619
Cleverius did two. Um, everybody else, or Len

01:17:11.619 --> 01:17:15.340
Uli did two and everybody else did one. So we

01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:18.199
had a lot more one -offs in the first half, and

01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:19.680
that probably makes sense because we had a lot

01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:21.239
more episodes that were just about one random

01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:24.520
character or something of that nature versus

01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:27.039
the continuing story that we seem to get a lot

01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:29.720
more in season two. It seemed like those people

01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:31.920
that did more episodes, like the Dean Steffens,

01:17:31.939 --> 01:17:34.260
the Larry Dottilios, the Stephen Melchings, those

01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:36.760
were the ones that had the highest ratings. For

01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:38.659
example, Stephen Melching, if you go with our

01:17:38.659 --> 01:17:42.119
overall ratings, he did have two threes. But

01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:45.920
then he has a 5, a 4 .5, a 5, and a 4 .25. So

01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.319
that's pretty good. I know Dean Stephan did a

01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:52.119
lot of episodes, but we have a 5, 4 .75, 3 times,

01:17:52.300 --> 01:17:56.970
4 .25, twice. 4 .5 once, 4 twice. So he had a

01:17:56.970 --> 01:17:59.569
lot of good rankings as well. Larry Dottilio

01:17:59.569 --> 01:18:04.430
had a 4, a 5, a 4 .75, a 4, and then one 3 .5.

01:18:04.750 --> 01:18:06.850
So those seem to be the ones that we liked the

01:18:06.850 --> 01:18:09.710
most. And it came to people like Brooke Swachtel,

01:18:09.789 --> 01:18:11.550
who only did one episode, which would rank as

01:18:11.550 --> 01:18:14.670
a 2. Mark Michael Edens did one that was a 3

01:18:14.670 --> 01:18:17.630
.5. Christy Markson and her husband did one that

01:18:17.630 --> 01:18:20.170
was a 3. Kevin Campbell only did the two episodes,

01:18:20.350 --> 01:18:22.470
and they were a 2 .5 and a 3 .5. So that seemed

01:18:22.470 --> 01:18:24.340
to be where we had more of our... low rankings

01:18:24.340 --> 01:18:25.960
was people that just didn't do as much with the

01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:29.600
series yeah but i just kind of found that interesting

01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.260
overall when we kind of look at that as far as

01:18:32.260 --> 01:18:33.859
some other statistics and things that we wanted

01:18:33.859 --> 01:18:36.399
to give you guys um basically i just wanted to

01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:40.020
reveal the overall rankings that mike and i had

01:18:40.020 --> 01:18:42.039
for this series we never know how this is going

01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:44.560
to turn out as we rank these episodes going through

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.319
the podcast you know we were ranking them in

01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:50.779
time as we're doing it With no thought of what

01:18:50.779 --> 01:18:52.640
came before or what came after it. So once we're

01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:54.340
all done and we tally it up, it is kind of interesting

01:18:54.340 --> 01:18:57.500
to see where we fall. Right. And one of the things

01:18:57.500 --> 01:18:58.899
I wanted to point out, I should have pointed

01:18:58.899 --> 01:19:01.460
out at the beginning of this episode, we also

01:19:01.460 --> 01:19:07.739
do not share our scripts. No. You craft the scripts

01:19:07.739 --> 01:19:12.020
for us, but we then put our notes in, our favorite

01:19:12.020 --> 01:19:14.340
characters in independently of each other. So

01:19:14.340 --> 01:19:18.279
we never know. That's why you get reactions like

01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:21.399
Kevin's horrible reaction to me ranking something

01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.380
high or something low. Beginning part three of

01:19:24.380 --> 01:19:27.960
five, which is as it should be. You know, let's

01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:34.319
see. Even now, it's ugh. And that's the spontaneity

01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.319
of it. I think that's cool. I think that's interesting.

01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:38.159
I think that's a good way to do it because you

01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.699
never know. Again, going back to a classic film

01:19:41.699 --> 01:19:45.159
trope. Podcasting is like a box of chocolates.

01:19:45.260 --> 01:19:47.840
You never know what you're going to get. Right.

01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.579
And as you can expect, based on the fact that

01:19:50.579 --> 01:19:53.100
I did reveal that Mike had like 12 episodes that

01:19:53.100 --> 01:19:55.859
he ranked as a five, you're probably going to

01:19:55.859 --> 01:19:57.680
expect that he had the higher overall rating

01:19:57.680 --> 01:19:59.899
for this series, which would be true. But it

01:19:59.899 --> 01:20:03.039
wasn't off by that much. We're going to just

01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:05.079
for math purposes, we're going to round to the

01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:07.359
second decimal. So I don't have to go into too

01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:09.840
much detail here. But you gave the series overall.

01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:12.319
Remember, we're ranking these from zero to five.

01:20:13.539 --> 01:20:16.779
Mike's ranking for the 2002 series overall was

01:20:16.779 --> 01:20:24.439
a 3 .87. 3 .87. Not quite enough to get into

01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:27.500
the fours, but a 3 .87 on a scale of 1 through

01:20:27.500 --> 01:20:32.779
5 or 0 through 5 is pretty darn good. Mine, so

01:20:32.779 --> 01:20:37.739
you were 3 .87. I, with only six episodes that

01:20:37.739 --> 01:20:40.279
I ranked number five, still didn't fall too far

01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:46.020
behind you. I was at a 3 .81. Oh. 3 .87 and 3

01:20:46.020 --> 01:20:50.119
.81. I had to round up to get to .81 because

01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:52.859
I was actually 8 .07, but regardless. So really

01:20:52.859 --> 01:20:56.239
only six -tenths of a point difference between

01:20:56.239 --> 01:21:03.020
the two of us. And 3 .87 and 3 .81 out of five.

01:21:03.859 --> 01:21:13.520
is not a bad rating at all. You should consider

01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.260
that a 2 .5 to a 3 is an average, so we're up

01:21:16.260 --> 01:21:20.539
to almost 4, so that's pretty darn good. That

01:21:20.539 --> 01:21:24.100
is our rankings overall for the series. I just

01:21:24.100 --> 01:21:27.229
wanted to give you a chance. To give some final

01:21:27.229 --> 01:21:29.229
thoughts on this series, I know we've kind of

01:21:29.229 --> 01:21:31.609
touched on different things overall, but obviously

01:21:31.609 --> 01:21:33.510
we enjoyed the series. But what else did you

01:21:33.510 --> 01:21:35.010
want to say that you haven't had a chance to

01:21:35.010 --> 01:21:39.189
say about the 2002 series? I've watched it twice

01:21:39.189 --> 01:21:42.670
now in the last 10 years. I watched it like right

01:21:42.670 --> 01:21:45.430
before we started prepping to do this overall

01:21:45.430 --> 01:21:49.649
in -depth. powers of grace golf series podcast

01:21:49.649 --> 01:21:53.289
that we've done i you know we were both watching

01:21:53.289 --> 01:21:55.609
all of these cartoons with the exception of new

01:21:55.609 --> 01:21:59.010
adventures um the three out of the four we were

01:21:59.010 --> 01:22:01.310
both watching at the same time just to watch

01:22:01.310 --> 01:22:05.369
them because you hadn't even seen 2002 until

01:22:05.369 --> 01:22:08.010
i had originally i think i had said something

01:22:08.010 --> 01:22:10.270
about the dvds or maybe you got the dvds from

01:22:10.270 --> 01:22:12.550
your behind the voice actors people or what i

01:22:12.550 --> 01:22:15.189
don't remember how you got it whatever but like

01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:19.239
I've watched it twice in the last decade and

01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.000
I still love it. I still think it's cool. I still

01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:24.380
think it's interesting. I still want more out

01:22:24.380 --> 01:22:28.039
of it. I know we're not going to get more out

01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:33.699
of it, but it's one of my favorites. Yeah, if

01:22:33.699 --> 01:22:36.000
you're a fan of continuity, if you're a fan of

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.260
more character depth and history, backstory of

01:22:39.260 --> 01:22:42.579
characters, and you're a fan of any type of...

01:22:42.729 --> 01:22:44.829
you know, in general of He -Man as a franchise,

01:22:45.090 --> 01:22:46.890
then you're going to enjoy this series and you

01:22:46.890 --> 01:22:48.750
should have already seen it. I guess if I'm going

01:22:48.750 --> 01:22:51.850
to be a nitpicky, the only things that you can

01:22:51.850 --> 01:22:54.810
find to complain about for me is two things.

01:22:54.909 --> 01:22:57.609
Number one, I feel like Skeletor gets put in

01:22:57.609 --> 01:22:59.850
the backseat a little bit too much, especially

01:22:59.850 --> 01:23:02.930
in the second half of the series. And then the

01:23:02.930 --> 01:23:04.689
second thing would be just what we talked about

01:23:04.689 --> 01:23:07.970
already, partially to blame probably because

01:23:07.970 --> 01:23:10.229
it doesn't get its true and fair ending. So who

01:23:10.229 --> 01:23:12.579
knows what they would have had planned. Right.

01:23:12.619 --> 01:23:16.880
But obviously hindsight 2020, if we can go back

01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.079
and rewrite this, you know, armchair quarterback

01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:21.659
Monday or Monday afternoon quarterback or Monday

01:23:21.659 --> 01:23:24.579
morning quarterback, whatever they call it. We

01:23:24.579 --> 01:23:28.140
would have rewritten this to have King his be

01:23:28.140 --> 01:23:31.800
the one that was defeated. You know, Hordak would

01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.199
have been the one that was brought back and we

01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:36.159
would have shifted from our snake man story to

01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.050
Hordak and his minions. fighting with Skeletor

01:23:40.050 --> 01:23:41.890
and the evil warriors, fighting with He -Man

01:23:41.890 --> 01:23:45.649
and the masters. And then in my opinion, at the

01:23:45.649 --> 01:23:48.970
end of the series overall, Skeletor double crosses

01:23:48.970 --> 01:23:52.250
Hordak or sides up with He -Man for just a brief

01:23:52.250 --> 01:23:55.810
encounter to defeat Hordak and to reestablish

01:23:55.810 --> 01:23:58.189
He -Man versus Skeletor. And that's where we

01:23:58.189 --> 01:24:01.270
would have ended it. So that's how I would have

01:24:01.270 --> 01:24:02.869
done it. But again, they didn't even get the

01:24:02.869 --> 01:24:04.430
chance to end it. So who knows what their plan

01:24:04.430 --> 01:24:08.119
might have been if they had one. So it's a good

01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:10.279
series on it's definitely worth watching. Oh,

01:24:10.300 --> 01:24:14.260
absolutely. Yes. So, all right, that is it for

01:24:14.260 --> 01:24:15.800
me. I'm going to turn it over to Mike to tell

01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:18.899
you all the deets about how you can get in contact

01:24:18.899 --> 01:24:22.119
with us and to tease the future of what we're

01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:25.979
doing here. All right. So let the teasing commence.

01:24:26.220 --> 01:24:33.380
We are, we ain't done folks. Nope. We are completing

01:24:33.380 --> 01:24:38.449
the original journey. Episode 124 will be our

01:24:38.449 --> 01:24:42.369
film commentary of the 1987 Masters of the Universe

01:24:42.369 --> 01:24:45.069
film starring Dolph Lundgren and Frank Langella

01:24:45.069 --> 01:24:48.689
as He -Man and Skeletor, respectively. Episode

01:24:48.689 --> 01:24:52.470
125, I'm entitling Powers of Greyskull series,

01:24:52.829 --> 01:24:56.229
This Was Your Life. This is basically a clip

01:24:56.229 --> 01:24:59.470
show. However, we will also be comparing and

01:24:59.470 --> 01:25:03.840
contrasting all four. masters of the universe

01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:08.060
cartoon series that are out to this point. Yes.

01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:11.020
Now I know there is another one that's already

01:25:11.020 --> 01:25:13.560
out currently, but again, I'm talking in the

01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.680
way that we were talking about setting this show

01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:20.020
up a decade ago. This show was planned to be

01:25:20.020 --> 01:25:23.960
125 episodes. It was planned to be 125 episodes.

01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.060
We will get there and we will actually surpass

01:25:27.060 --> 01:25:31.479
it. I am going to reveal now. in this episode

01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:37.859
that we will reach 130 podcasts for now with

01:25:37.859 --> 01:25:39.979
the potential to get more with the potential

01:25:39.979 --> 01:25:46.180
to get more because 126 to 129 .5 it's the only

01:25:46.180 --> 01:25:48.819
way i could get all five seasons in a single

01:25:48.819 --> 01:25:52.399
episode it's just a numbering thing folks it's

01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:55.729
not a less episode than anything else so 126

01:25:55.729 --> 01:26:00.029
to 129 .5, we are going to review the Netflix

01:26:00.029 --> 01:26:05.050
She -Ra series season by season. So if you listen

01:26:05.050 --> 01:26:07.529
to any of the season stuff that ToonCast has

01:26:07.529 --> 01:26:10.850
done, we're going to talk about the entire season,

01:26:10.949 --> 01:26:13.329
the characters in each season, the plot lines.

01:26:13.369 --> 01:26:15.369
We'll have favorites and least favorites and

01:26:15.369 --> 01:26:17.909
that kind of thing. I will try my best not to

01:26:17.909 --> 01:26:20.850
be a diva when it comes to this series because

01:26:20.850 --> 01:26:23.640
I'll straight up tell you right now. I watched

01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:26.300
each of these seasons and I hated the show more

01:26:26.300 --> 01:26:29.899
and more as I watched. I dreaded Netflix. Yes.

01:26:30.020 --> 01:26:32.600
I watched all of them. Okay. Okay. I watched

01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:34.979
four out of the five. I watched the first episode

01:26:34.979 --> 01:26:37.199
of season five and then I watched the series

01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:39.659
finale in season five. So I haven't seen the

01:26:39.659 --> 01:26:43.460
middle part of season five, but I did watch the

01:26:43.460 --> 01:26:46.420
first four seasons of Netflix Shira when it came

01:26:46.420 --> 01:26:51.210
out. However, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, Originally,

01:26:51.810 --> 01:26:54.189
Kevin was like, oh, let's do this episode, but

01:26:54.189 --> 01:26:57.689
I said, nah, no. I will do seasons. We will recover

01:26:57.689 --> 01:27:00.890
it, but no, we need to change that up because

01:27:00.890 --> 01:27:04.149
there's no... I would basically pull a Kevin...

01:27:04.149 --> 01:27:06.670
I'd basically pull a you when you were tired

01:27:06.670 --> 01:27:10.520
of Mask. I'd leave. So in order for us to even

01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.319
do this, he had to concede to do it season by

01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:15.680
season. And I just think for the Netflix show,

01:27:15.859 --> 01:27:18.220
that's a much better way of doing it. Cause most

01:27:18.220 --> 01:27:20.479
of the, most of the seasons out of the five seasons

01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:23.079
that there are, they're like 13 episodes each.

01:27:23.140 --> 01:27:27.260
And that's not, I don't want. And once we're

01:27:27.260 --> 01:27:32.800
done with that, depending, I mean, I, this is

01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:37.430
going to. to happen motu cartoon complete series

01:27:37.430 --> 01:27:42.569
recap for episode 130 and this is more my thing

01:27:42.569 --> 01:27:45.250
than kevin's thing however we're both gonna do

01:27:45.250 --> 01:27:47.630
it as long as we both can do it but it also leaves

01:27:47.630 --> 01:27:51.600
me open to do it if he's not available I introduced

01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:54.479
it with the pull bag eight years ago. I have

01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:56.720
now introduced it into our new podcast, Studio

01:27:56.720 --> 01:28:00.880
2009. We're going to be introducing it on ToonCast

01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:04.619
as well. It is called The Origins Episodes. So

01:28:04.619 --> 01:28:07.739
we are going to have people on here. We're going

01:28:07.739 --> 01:28:10.159
to talk to you, the fans, you, the listeners,

01:28:10.300 --> 01:28:13.550
you, the people that have been... in the Motu

01:28:13.550 --> 01:28:16.409
fandom, and we have somewhere between, I think,

01:28:16.409 --> 01:28:19.250
25 or 27. We haven't finalized it yet. We have

01:28:19.250 --> 01:28:24.350
25 or 27 questions to ask you guys, and we're

01:28:24.350 --> 01:28:26.369
basically going to turn the podcast into an interview

01:28:26.369 --> 01:28:32.409
show after episode 130 until we finally get some

01:28:32.409 --> 01:28:35.630
new He -Man cartoon thing, whether it be Netflix,

01:28:35.909 --> 01:28:38.869
whether it be whatever. The Kevin Smith Show.

01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.340
There's two series that are supposed to be airing

01:28:42.340 --> 01:28:43.800
on Netflix. One of them is supposed to be with

01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.079
Kevin Smith. The other one is not. And if they

01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:47.739
ever eventually happen, because COVID threw a

01:28:47.739 --> 01:28:50.359
wrench into the mix, we will eventually cover

01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:52.260
those. And we will determine how we're going

01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:54.479
to cover those at a later date. It might be episode

01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:56.659
by episode as they release. It might be season

01:28:56.659 --> 01:28:59.159
overarching episodes. We will determine that

01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:02.699
later. Depends on how good or bad they are. Well,

01:29:02.779 --> 01:29:04.500
if we're doing it episode by episode, we won't

01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:08.609
know. That way we can get live reactions as they

01:29:08.609 --> 01:29:11.970
air, maybe. Or if they're like Netflix usually

01:29:11.970 --> 01:29:14.109
does where they release a season or six episodes

01:29:14.109 --> 01:29:17.449
or whatever at a time. That way we'll see. Just

01:29:17.449 --> 01:29:20.949
to tease 125 when it comes up because we talked

01:29:20.949 --> 01:29:23.210
about we're going to talk about the overall franchises

01:29:23.210 --> 01:29:25.250
that we've covered so far and compare and contrast.

01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:28.579
Um, just to kind of write the ship, because I

01:29:28.579 --> 01:29:30.880
mentioned this numerous times when we were giving

01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.359
our new adventures episodes that I was not compiling

01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:36.859
rankings. I was not totaling rankings. I would

01:29:36.859 --> 01:29:43.180
score. Guess what, guys? I lied. I have rectified

01:29:43.180 --> 01:29:46.340
that. And when I was doing the Motu 2002 series

01:29:46.340 --> 01:29:48.619
rankings, I went back and did the new adventure

01:29:48.619 --> 01:29:51.380
ones as well. So we will have our overall ranking

01:29:51.380 --> 01:29:54.479
of every series that we have done so far, both

01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.539
Mike and myself. So that'll be coming in episode

01:29:57.539 --> 01:30:04.260
125 as well. 130, actually. 125 is the clip show.

01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:07.000
Oh, yeah. Whichever episode, we cover everything.

01:30:07.420 --> 01:30:10.800
Right. All right. Anything else, Mike? I think

01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:13.699
that's it. All right. Well, take us away, sir.

01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:17.779
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01:32:04.569 --> 01:32:07.369
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01:32:09.850 --> 01:32:13.869
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01:32:13.869 --> 01:32:18.050
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01:32:18.050 --> 01:32:23.010
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01:32:23.010 --> 01:32:25.850
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01:32:25.970 --> 01:32:27.310
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