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This is Jason Marsden, voice of Duke from G .I.

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Joe Renegades. You're listening to the Geekcast

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Radio Network. Yo, Joe! Hello, welcome to episode

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251 of The Cinema Geeks. I am... one of your

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cinema geeks optimists so i'm just gonna keep

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doing the numbering dan as usual is the comic

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con series how you doing dan hey how you doing

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yeah we were just talking off mic is that what

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they call it uh a little bit ago about how like

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most like new podcasts don't do numbering but

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like we're in the old ways where you always did

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a number i don't know there's a thing everyone

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did so i feel like the older i get and like the

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more we do it the more i'll probably screw up

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what number it even is supposed to be and then

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we'll release them in all different orders and

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we got to do like the the marvel comics renumbering

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after a while go back to number one you know

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redo it all i know we have 200 episode 250 and

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this is all going to be not valid by the time

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this comes out but at the moment that we're recording

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250 is live which is our episode on the odyssey

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but 248 and 249 are not live so they'll go live

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and then this is 251 and and then we'll be back

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in order i think i don't know nobody keeps track

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of the numbers yeah i feel like it's all just

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you know like how many you've done total or something

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i don't know that's that's also like what marvel

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would do they would do these magic somehow they

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get to like the the uh celebration number even

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though we didn't do it we ended up having an

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extra long episode but not because of that right

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but yeah anyways it was it was a party enough

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just to make 250 the odyssey definitely but what

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are we what are you talking about today well

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if the no no you're good i figured if the numbering

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wasn't confusing enough that we shouldn't also

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confuse people by just doing like multiple retrospectives

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throwing in new movie reviews and then just like

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they'll never know what they're gonna get when

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they tune in except for that the episodes are

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all titled so i guess they will um so we're going

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back into our western retrospective for this

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episode so obviously you've heard that we've

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started a planet of the apes retrospective where

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we'll be kind of working our way through those

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10 films and you can obviously check that out

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if you're a planet of the apes or a sci -fi fan

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as we kind of traverse those we might do some

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more new content here and there just kind of

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scattered out as it becomes available where dan

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and i actually get to see the same movie or something

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like that it's it's increasing the frequency

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of that happening is increasing dan like i feel

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like both of our um our kids are both like getting

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to the age where it's making it a little bit

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more feasible so and stuff just goes to streaming

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so fast so you know there's that too so but today

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we're into the westerns and we're starting a

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brand new block that's kind of a harken back

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to where we started so we started this whole

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journey off with kind of the john ford block

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which was you know some classic films like stagecoach

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the searchers the man who shot liberty valence

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and then we kind of went different ways we looked

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at spaghetti westerns remakes versus originals

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we just finished an overlooked western section

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where we talked about mccabe and mrs miller johnny

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guitar and the naked spur and now we're going

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back into like a second round of not just not

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john ford films but but classic western films

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kind of as an overarching theme here so we have

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four of them that we're going to be covering

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which include rio bravo shane high noon and then

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today's topic which is red river i know you've

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already watched this once i believe you watched

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it now twice uh for this in the last like year

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or so but the interesting thing about this one

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before we get to the facts and our opinions and

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all that is this will represent the oldest film

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that we've covered outside of stagecoach so stagecoach

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was 1939 this is 1948 we will have a couple more

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films that we'll cover throughout this retrospective

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one from 1943 and another one from 1948 but otherwise

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as of this point it's the second oldest of the

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films we've covered um just to set the stage

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before we get to the facts dan what is your experience

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with red river have you seen it twice now leading

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up to this yeah so i did i so early in the year

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i was you know we were in the westerns and i

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was just in the western mood it was it was available

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streaming on one platform so I ended up watching

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it and really not to give it away, but I'm like,

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oh, I kind of wish we included this. And then,

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you know, we decided to, as we do, reconfigure

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the retrospective. And you mentioned like you

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brought this up as one to go over. I'm like,

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so I was all for it. So, yeah, I did rewatch

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it because it was that was like back in February,

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I think. So just to refresh on what happened

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and all that good stuff. I have not seen this

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one, nor have I seen any of the four films in

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this block. So they're all going to be first

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time watches. This is like one of the reasons,

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like there's been so many that like, I wanted

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to do this for, to like knock out those blind

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spots within this Western genre. And this, this

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block is like a good example of, of why I was

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interested in doing this whole retrospective

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to begin with. So it'll be interesting to get

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into some more John Wayne talks, some more kind

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of classic Westerns from that time period. But

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before we do any of that, Dan's going to lay

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the foundation for. our episode today and once

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he gets done with that we'll come back and start

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giving you guys our our breakdown in our opinion

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so uh let's let dan take it over and we'll take

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it from there The Duke is back as we return to

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some more classic westerns. This time we're taking

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a look at Red River from 1948, directed by Howard

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Hawks. In the film, Thomas Dunstan, played by

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John Wayne, is this tough and ambitious Texas

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rancher who is determined to build the largest

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cattle operation he can. He settles in Texas

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and establishes a massive herd, and he also raises

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his adopted son Matthew, played by Montgomery

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Cliff. Years later, after the Civil War, Dunton

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decides to drive thousands of cattle from Texas

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north to Missouri, where he believes he can get

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a much better price. The journey is a perilous

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one, and also enormous with the amount of cattle

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that they're driving, involving dozens of cowboys.

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At first, Dunton is a respected but demanding

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leader. As the drive continues, however, he becomes

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increasingly obsessed with completing the obtaining

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absolute control. Food becomes scarce, the men

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become exhausted, and tensions rise. Dunson responds

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to challenges with increasingly harsh punishments.

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Matthew, who has grown into a capable young man

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himself, eventually begins to challenge Dunson's

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leadership. When Dunson orders an extreme punishment

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after some cowboys result against his authority,

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Matthew refuses to go along with him. He takes

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control of the cattle even and drives and leads

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the men towards Kansas where they can sell the

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herd. Dunson becomes furious and vows to hunt

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Matthew down and kill him. The second half of

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the movie essentially becomes a father -son conflict.

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Matthew is trying to build a new future based

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upon cooperation, while Dunson is consumed by

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pride, authority, and a determination to just

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prove himself. Eventually, Dunson tracks Matthew

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to a town in Kansas, where the two finally have

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a brutal fistfight. Just when it appears they

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may kill each other, Tess, played by Joanne Drew,

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intervenes and forces them to recognize that

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despite everything that has happened, they generally

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care about one another. dunson and matthew reconcile

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and the movie ends with a suggestion that their

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relationship and the cattle empire they built

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can possibly continue howard hawks originally

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offered the role of thomas dunston to gary cooper

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cooper though turned it down because he thought

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the character was too ruthless and might damage

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his image as a heroic leading man montgomery

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cliff and john wayne apparently weren't big fans

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of one another politically and personally they

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were just the opposite and it accounted for a

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lot of tension on set. They reportedly agreed

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to avoid discussing politics, but the relationship

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was never great. Even later, Howard Hawks directed

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Rio Bravo with John Wayne and Walter Brennan.

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They offered a role to Montgomery Cliff, but

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he turned it down mainly due to the relationship

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issues they had in the past. That part eventually

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went to Dean Martin. There are a lot of cowboys

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in Red River, and just like the current team,

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they also really haven't won anything major in

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a while. while, but that's besides the point.

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Hawks did realize this and thought audiences

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would have trouble remembering them, so at the

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beginning of the cattle drive, he made sure to

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film close -ups of the principal cowheads, giving

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each of them a distinctive hat. as well as a

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distinctive appearance. Red River was very well

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received when it came out in 1948, both critically

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and commercially. It reportedly was the third

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highest grossing film of 1948, earning more than

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$4 million on its initial release. Wayne was

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already a star, but Red River helped convince

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people that he could actually be a real actor

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rather than a charismatic cowboy star. it also

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got two oscar nominations one for best film editing

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and one for best writing its story and reputation

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have only grown and it's looked at as one of

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the best westerns ever produced but what do kevin

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and i think do we agree do we disagree well back

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to us to discuss All right. So we have all of

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the facts for the Red River, Dan. And I am curious.

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I know you said that you were wishing that we

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had included this to begin with. So I assume

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that you're somewhat positive. But what was it

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like now after watching some of these films from

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multiple decades, right? We've seen films from

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the 50s now, the 60s, the 70s, the 2000s, the

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2010s. And now we go back for our technically

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our first one from the 40s. and back to, you

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know, kind of classic John Wayne and things of

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that nature. So what was like your initial impression

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on the first watch of Red River? Did anything

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change also when you did the second watch kind

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of leading up to this record? Yeah, what I think

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I noticed the most is, I know when we talked

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about Spaghetti Westerns and how Spaghetti Westerns

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were seen as like, oh, they're a bit more complicated.

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They're not as white hat, black hat. They're

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heroes that... are a bit more ambiguous when

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it comes to morality. I think there are certain

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elements to it, but going back to this, I actually

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thought, like, I think maybe we don't, or that

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type of mindset isn't necessarily giving enough

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credit to some of these older Westerns. I don't

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think these were as straightforward or as basic

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within their understanding of good and bad. And

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I think this... being one of the best examples

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of it like john wayne here like when people talk

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about his best performances or the characters

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where you feel like he goes beyond the the type

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of character people know him from i felt like

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this was up there as somewhat of a departure

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especially character wise compared to really

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anything you know people mentioned that with

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the searchers i like the you know the searchers

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of course his role in that he's very unlikable

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certainly obviously racist and elements there.

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And then, of course, with True Grit, you know,

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with Rooster Cogburn and like he was, you know,

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a trucker and things like that. But I thought

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the character here, Thomas Dunstan, was perhaps

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his most harsh character to date. He was very

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unforgiving. There isn't much hero there. You

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know, John Wayne, you think this cowboy hero,

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he's not really a hero at all within this. Maybe

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at the time, because he was sticking to his guns.

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There were some people who would see heroism

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in that, but generally I was actually rather

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taken back by just how much of a jerk he was

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and how there wasn't that classic redemption

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arc in the sense of they weren't trying to go

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through and see him grow into a more complete

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person per se. So that took me back, and it's

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a very... Epic tale, for sure. And you mentioned

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when it becomes a Western, what you expect when

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it comes to gunfights and things like that. And

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this is cowboys being actual cowboys. So it's

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living up to the name, except maybe the football

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team, because they actually get to their destination,

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even though it's off, not exactly where they

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decided to go at the beginning. But yeah, I was

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rather going in, because I didn't know when I

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watched it. Watched it on the log. I didn't know

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anything about it. I was like, oh, it's going

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to be a classic John Wayne film. The first time

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I watched it, I was taken aback by how much it

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wasn't that impressed. And seeing that even the

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second time around, I feel like I even noticed

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that even more. So I think I would put this even

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as an experience, maybe not craft -wise, but

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its approach to the character. I think it's even

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one of the strongest ones we've seen within all

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the Wayne films we have watched yet within this

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retrospective. But what did you think of it?

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i think it's interesting a couple things i'll

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start with kind of what you were leaving off

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with there with john wayne because i think he

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gets this reputation or maybe that's just me

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from an ignorant standpoint of not being alive

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when he was you know at the peak of his his uh

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acting and i haven't done you know he's kind

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of a blind spot for me kind of going into this

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retrospective but i always thought he had kind

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of the reputation or the legacy of like people

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painted him almost as one note as you know someone

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who does a lot of the same things like we've

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even seen some of his films where you know he

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repeats the same line multiple times and like

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you he definitely talks the same he's not you

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know taking on he's not one of those actors is

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going to try to take on a different accent and

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be a different person overall right so we i think

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he's always been painted as kind of one note

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and the more i'm seeing of some of these films

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i'm like is that a fair assessment because i

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feel like we've seen shades of different things

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uh throughout a number of his films and especially

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something like this where you know he he is the

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protagonist i guess you would say but definitely

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not a hero so and definitely not almost not even

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an anti -hero like he's almost further than that

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you know what i mean like he's just not a nice

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guy in almost anything it's not just like he's

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crass and rude and doesn't and you know is a

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hero that doesn't have a super great moral compass

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it's like i feel like there's more to it to that

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so like i feel like he's getting he's got layers

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here and i feel like a couple of other films

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have shown a couple different sides of him but

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yeah i think this is like the most different

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we've seen him overall and i found that interesting

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another thing i was really interested going into

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this one was this is howard hawks first western

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and I've seen quite a bit of him now going through

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the, and I believe you have to going through

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the Cary Grant retrospective and some things

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like that. So like he, he did bring it up, baby.

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He did, uh, his girl Friday. He did only angels

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have wings, which I believe you caught up with

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recently. He did. Uh, I was a male war bride,

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which was a Cary Grant film monkey business.

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Uh, so I was interested to see like, what was

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his take going to be on? a western and he does

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other westerns as well because he does real bravo

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eventually and and some other things but i was

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i was kind of curious how that was going to work

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because i had only seen kind of more of these

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i mean only angels have wings isn't slapstick

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but bringing up baby and his girl friday definitely

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are and monkey business is you know definitely

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a comedy and i was a male war bride definitely

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is you know mostly comedy slash romantic comedy

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type fair so i was interested to see like how

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that was gonna work and i will say that had i

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not known he directed this after watching it

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i would not have guessed he was the director

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like i don't sense a lot of those elements that

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we saw in these other films in this one so it's

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kind of interesting to see how he took on this

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other genre and one thing that really kind of

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took me with this film is and i don't remember

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how do you remember how long this one is full

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hours just over two hours i want to say something

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like that i think it's like an two hours and

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six minutes it's a little over i'm trying to

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get the exact time limit but it's well there's

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two versions yeah there is yeah the original

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version was much longer and they cut it down

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trying to see what the two hours and 13 minutes

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okay and so there is some some length to it right

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like especially for you know time period you

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know we've got more short movies back then it

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seemed like i mean there was epics that were

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long as well but it was something that took me

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back is that this film feels like feels smells

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senses like he pounds like everything that you

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could possibly put in like it's a lived in western

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it feels like to me like it just feels like they

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did a lot of things to capture the essence of

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of the west um of the myth or the the legend

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of what the west was like almost as well but

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not from like a hollywoodized standpoint just

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like a lot of elements that you would like when

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you think of the west and you were to like describe

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things like if i was just saying like we're gonna

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make a western like What are elements we should

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consider? And we just had a brainstorming session.

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We wrote down a whole bunch of things. This one

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checks a lot of the boxes, I feel like. And another

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interesting thing that this one does that we

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haven't seen, and we've covered... How many films

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have we covered now? At least 15, right? Yeah,

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this is our 16th film. Is this the first film

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that's dealt with an actual cattle drive? oh

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trying to think well 310 to yuma had like cattle

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within it like they they played a part in it

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per se but they weren't like right it wasn't

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the cat one is a stage coach is a stage coach

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journey searching we're out searching for somebody

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right like man who shot liberty valence is more

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of a personal thing you know against each other

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yeah i think this would have to be yeah definitely

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so like it's weird that we've gotten 16 or 15

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other westerns that we've watched and and to

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me a cattle drive is like that's the essence

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of the west right like that's one of the major

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themes and we've gone 15 films without even touching

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on it and this one doesn't just touch on it like

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it it gives me all of the things like it speaks

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to all of the senses when it comes to that the

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cattle drive the west and all of these other

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elements that maybe we haven't touched on so

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far in some of these other films so i thought

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that was kind of an interesting thing to kind

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of just uh be submerged in as as i watched the

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film and this is gonna maybe sound i'm not gonna

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score any like cool points for this but i've

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never been concerned too much about cool points

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so i guess that's fine um growing up you know

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my dad was a history teacher and a drama teacher

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and you know he did that for a long time so i

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was definitely very much like surrounded by historical

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things like topics subjects shows music etc and

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um we also had i don't know if you're familiar

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with this or if anybody that is listening will

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be or if this is just like more niche or just

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like makes me look old but you know what the

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we sing series is it was like a series of cassette

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tapes okay so it was a series of cassette tapes

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back in the i'm gonna guess the 80s um And there

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was a variety of them and they came with a book

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and the book had pages that had the lyrics and

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the songs. And then it also had like right brief

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writings and things like that. And they had different

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versions of it. So there was one that was like,

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we sing America. And then there was one that

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was like, we sing around the campfire. And I

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don't know, there was like four or five different

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versions of, of this. And. they would have like

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you know cassettes had a side a and a side b

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so they would have you know side a would be a

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certain theme and side b would be another theme

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well there's one that's called we sing america

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and the first theme is more like patriotic stuff

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so you have like the star spangled banner and

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the pledge of allegiance and um i don't know

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my country tis of thee or something or america

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the beautiful or whatever like some of them are

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like song songs and some of them are just kind

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of like folky songs And the other side of that,

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and they would have readings of snippets of speeches

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from the Gettysburg Address or John F. Kennedy

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or Jefferson or Washington or Lincoln or whatever.

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So you got a little bit of history in there as

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well. And it was all kids singing, right? Or

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adults that were singing for kids, making voices

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and stuff like that. And side B of that We Sing

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America, instead of being all the patriotic fare,

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which also included all the armed forces songs

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and things like that, side B was... more of like

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the west and like the the railroads and like

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uh pioneer life and the gold rush and like stuff

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like that and they had all of these songs that

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kind of were folk songs none of these were like

00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:04.380
songs that you would see like an actual artist

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sing unless it was like back in the day with

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like some super classic western singers maybe

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but this is not something that you were going

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to hear like alan jackson singing i don't think

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or anything like that like you know like she'll

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be coming around the mountain and and stuff like

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that um makes sense and we listened to this a

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lot when we were growing up because it was just

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a cassette tape we could put on and played forever

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and there was like four different ones so you

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never got bored of them and whatnot this movie

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samples or features bits and pieces or chunks

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of like at least six of the songs that were on

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this cassette tape So it was, like, an interesting

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experience watching the film and then also having

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it, like, conjuring up these memories of, like,

00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.880
listening to this tape. Like, it has Oh Susanna.

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It has She'll Be Coming Around the Mountain.

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It has a song called I Ride in Old Paint. It

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kind of has some things that go somewhat reference

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the Get Along Little Doggies and some of the

00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:05.079
Cattle Run. So it's the soundtrack to this movie,

00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.920
more than just, like, the main two songs that

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are, like, recorded and featured, like, more

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so like as heavy parts of the soundtrack has

00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.420
all of these other elements and then you mix

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that all up with like the sound of the cattle

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and the sound of the campfire and the sound of

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like all of what's all these people are doing

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which they don't hide in this movie it's like

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there's a soundtrack of making you feel like

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you're there so like i don't know i just felt

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like really immersed into the setting so like

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it worked for me in that level nice yeah it certainly

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feels very of the time and again it helps that

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we mentioned this with the naked spur where it's

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shot on location compared to like those that

00:23:52.349 --> 00:23:55.769
maybe were shot on set and this you know elements

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were i don't know for sure looking at my research

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i don't know how much was shot on location at

00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:02.670
least felt that way or at least they're using

00:24:02.670 --> 00:24:05.009
cattle for sure like the massive amounts of cattle

00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:08.390
that they have so I couldn't imagine them bringing

00:24:08.390 --> 00:24:10.309
that amount of cattle to a Hollywood set. That

00:24:10.309 --> 00:24:12.630
would have been a bit crazy. But I certainly

00:24:12.630 --> 00:24:15.890
think the authenticity you mentioned is there

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because of a bunch of those elements. And because,

00:24:19.250 --> 00:24:22.190
like you mentioned, it's about raiding cattle.

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It feels like a conflict that would be of that

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time and how it comes about. And seeing them

00:24:31.289 --> 00:24:33.269
just trying to figure, you know, there's so much

00:24:33.269 --> 00:24:36.750
unknown. Obviously, we live in a day with GPS.

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There's so much we know about when it comes to

00:24:39.509 --> 00:24:43.250
traveling and how it's just kind of going off

00:24:43.250 --> 00:24:45.410
of gumption, going off of things they've heard

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and what that could mean and the conflict that

00:24:48.789 --> 00:24:54.089
ensues. It's a good... Also, you see a lot of

00:24:54.089 --> 00:24:56.430
old versus new within this, of course. Montgomery

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Cliff being the more empathetic, the more...

00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.920
I think open to reason, maybe open to compromise

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compared to like the John Wayne and their, their

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back and forth. And apparently in real life,

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they weren't huge fans of one another, which

00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:13.099
you could understand considering their backgrounds

00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:15.599
and everything like that. But I do think that

00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.099
their issues off screen actually think enhanced

00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:22.359
on screen because there is, there is a bit of

00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.460
a tension there throughout in that until we get

00:25:25.460 --> 00:25:28.359
to that final climax where they do have that,

00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:31.130
that infamous showdown. And I do like how, like

00:25:31.130 --> 00:25:35.170
I mentioned, within it, they don't try to, like,

00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:37.109
it's not a redemption story. You mentioned that,

00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:39.849
like, John Wayne is the protagonist, or, like,

00:25:39.849 --> 00:25:41.309
he is the villain. He kind of is. Like, that

00:25:41.309 --> 00:25:43.710
is, he's the one causing most of the conflict.

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But I just, it doesn't have a lot of the tropes

00:25:49.890 --> 00:25:51.509
that you would associate. You mentioned, like,

00:25:51.529 --> 00:25:55.170
everything you would want in a Western. or the

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things that you associate with westerns and a

00:25:56.869 --> 00:25:58.670
lot of the things that you associate aren't here

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but i wasn't missing them ever yeah i think it's

00:26:02.210 --> 00:26:05.150
more of like the i don't know it feels much less

00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:07.269
hollywood eyes than like some of the other stuff

00:26:07.269 --> 00:26:10.390
that that we've not necessarily i guess that

00:26:10.390 --> 00:26:11.990
was more in the remake section but like you know

00:26:11.990 --> 00:26:13.569
what i mean like some of the stuff that i appreciated

00:26:13.569 --> 00:26:14.990
when we were watching some of those originals

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versus the remakes like i feel like also are

00:26:17.609 --> 00:26:19.910
here like it doesn't have to do a whole bunch

00:26:19.910 --> 00:26:22.509
of extra it's like you feel like this is a story

00:26:22.509 --> 00:26:24.529
or a movie that's just being handed down like

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one campfire story like discussion from to another

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like it's not something that has all the pomp

00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:33.039
and circumstance of maybe something else at least

00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.400
i didn't feel that way and even though it's covering

00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:40.619
an expansive territory and we're dealing with

00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:44.660
a lot of cattle it does find a way to to like

00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:49.440
individualize everybody and make it feel like

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you know for the most part the people that you're

00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.740
on this journey with which i feel like could

00:26:55.740 --> 00:27:01.059
have been a miss if not handled carefully and

00:27:01.059 --> 00:27:03.819
i did read some stuff that like i don't know

00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:07.079
if it was hawks himself or somebody like basically

00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.099
went out of the way out of their way in the beginning

00:27:10.099 --> 00:27:12.660
to like try to give as many close -up shots of

00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:16.119
the people assembled give them different distinguishing

00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:19.250
features or hats or or something about their

00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:22.390
like visual cues so that you didn't get lost

00:27:22.390 --> 00:27:25.210
and just like wait i don't know any of these

00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:26.789
guys from any of these guys it's just one mob

00:27:26.789 --> 00:27:29.210
and i i don't know who's who because you're not

00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:31.289
going to get a lot of you know they do use names

00:27:31.289 --> 00:27:33.190
here and there but i felt like they did a good

00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:37.569
job of kind of painting each character as their

00:27:37.569 --> 00:27:39.769
own and letting you somewhat get to know them

00:27:39.769 --> 00:27:43.369
so it felt like you were on this journey with

00:27:43.369 --> 00:27:47.940
them in a way yeah i i agree and it Every other

00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.059
characters have, like you mentioned the, the,

00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.319
you know, Howard Hawks made sure to capture all

00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.500
their likeness. So, you know, who everyone is,

00:27:56.619 --> 00:27:58.680
you have a good sense, even with costume design

00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.359
and how that looks, but everyone has a very distinct

00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.960
face, you know, and everyone has, you get those

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.279
moments of them just doing and like hanging out

00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.119
with one another. And they're not really worried

00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.980
about necessarily hoarding the plot. They're

00:28:12.980 --> 00:28:15.799
not really concerned about like, okay. what is

00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:17.799
the you know the next move just giving you some

00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:19.819
good character moments like the the card game

00:28:19.819 --> 00:28:22.299
with walter brennan losing his teeth and the

00:28:22.299 --> 00:28:26.220
conflict with you know with uh uh the cheap uh

00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.299
wow i think his name was in the move i forget

00:28:28.299 --> 00:28:30.740
but like that they're a little back and forth

00:28:30.740 --> 00:28:32.559
you had all these nice little tiny relationships

00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:36.880
like these little like personality within this

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.140
group of individuals so when things did type

00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:42.180
to kind of go awry you were invested in it because

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:44.799
you you knew this group and you Even that core

00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:50.299
trio of Nene, Matt, and Thomas, when they started

00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:53.339
kind of not seeing eye to eye, it meant something.

00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:08.559
So it was not the best father figure in the world.

00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.049
But maybe not the worst you've ever seen. Yeah,

00:29:12.109 --> 00:29:13.930
that's true. I think another thing that we get

00:29:13.930 --> 00:29:18.309
here is I think the, whether it be the writers

00:29:18.309 --> 00:29:20.609
with the screenplay or the director or, you know,

00:29:20.609 --> 00:29:24.109
whatever, that they trusted the material enough

00:29:24.109 --> 00:29:26.670
where they didn't have to like inject tension

00:29:26.670 --> 00:29:30.109
because they knew like their story was naturally

00:29:30.109 --> 00:29:33.930
going to have tense moments because a cattle

00:29:33.930 --> 00:29:38.250
drive is not easy. Like this is like the more

00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:41.599
Western films you see. the less likely you are

00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.819
to answer the question like i don't know if anyone's

00:29:43.819 --> 00:29:45.279
ever asked you this or you've posed this like

00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.720
it's just kind of like the hypothetical like

00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.519
if you could take yourself out of your time period

00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.140
and go back and live in any other time period

00:29:51.140 --> 00:29:55.140
like which do you choose don't pick the west

00:29:55.140 --> 00:29:59.880
like don't do it because that stuff was hard

00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:03.599
like yeah you're you don't like you don't have

00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.200
the comforts of today you're dealing with lots

00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.420
like all the things they do it they have stampedes

00:30:08.420 --> 00:30:11.450
right like they're dealing with hunger exhaustion

00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:14.390
there's people trying to desert there's death

00:30:14.390 --> 00:30:18.829
there's weather because weather is something

00:30:18.829 --> 00:30:21.210
you can't escape especially back then we don't

00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:22.849
you don't just have cars and houses to protect

00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:25.690
yourself right um attacks from native americans

00:30:25.690 --> 00:30:27.910
you know plays a little bit of a part here um

00:30:27.910 --> 00:30:30.750
not to mention you know just natural leadership

00:30:30.750 --> 00:30:32.980
tension like you're talking about with whether

00:30:32.980 --> 00:30:35.119
we follow dunson or whether we don't and where

00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.579
do we draw that line and stuff like that so it

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:38.559
just has like these natural things that are going

00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.720
to cause all of this um stuff you know you have

00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.339
probably you know sickness and things of that

00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:45.160
which i didn't list but you know that can kind

00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.500
of lead to that whether it be diseases normal

00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:49.539
sicknesses so like you have all these elements

00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:51.279
that are going to provide the tension for you

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.859
and i appreciate that they just kind of like

00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:56.740
let them kind of go through there and uh have

00:30:56.740 --> 00:30:58.779
those be natural tense points but then you know

00:30:58.779 --> 00:31:00.720
they're focused a lot on the the interpersonal

00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.529
connections between you know the main three like

00:31:03.529 --> 00:31:05.269
you're talking about and and some of the peripheral

00:31:05.269 --> 00:31:08.250
like crew members that are or cattle drivers

00:31:08.250 --> 00:31:09.930
ranchers whatever you want to call that are along

00:31:09.930 --> 00:31:12.750
with this journey so i thought it was nice that

00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:15.250
they kind of just like let those things speak

00:31:15.250 --> 00:31:18.670
for themselves in a way and i do think it kind

00:31:18.670 --> 00:31:24.009
of gave you that feel for like it's almost akin

00:31:24.009 --> 00:31:28.690
to the early explorers that are just getting

00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:33.240
on a boat and just setting sail and being like,

00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.519
well, I hope this works out. Like it's going

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.339
to take like a few years and then we don't know

00:31:37.339 --> 00:31:39.380
what's on the other end. Like that's almost like

00:31:39.380 --> 00:31:41.099
it is like when you set off for this cattle drive

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:44.599
back here, because you don't know exactly, you

00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.259
know what the path is. You don't know what you're

00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.140
going to come into contact with. You don't know

00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:51.299
how it's going to go. And like, I get that there

00:31:51.299 --> 00:31:54.299
does need to be some, someone guiding and someone

00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:56.579
like keeping everybody in line and, and someone

00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:00.019
to police, like when people get, uh, you know,

00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.859
a little bit stir crazy or, or different things.

00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.359
But, you know, I think this movie does a couple

00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:11.299
of things. It's number one, like tackling authoritarianism

00:32:11.299 --> 00:32:15.500
and what the line is where you start to stand

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:17.279
up for yourself. But then you're also talking

00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.779
about like what you just mentioned, the dealing

00:32:19.779 --> 00:32:22.500
with like this whole father son dynamic as well.

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.140
And like, can the father handle the fact that

00:32:27.140 --> 00:32:31.819
eventually the little boy, that he adopts and

00:32:31.819 --> 00:32:34.779
raises and and teaches and everything like becomes

00:32:34.779 --> 00:32:38.099
an equal or becomes a better than or becomes

00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:43.319
just as worthy and like can how does that change

00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.019
that dynamic and like how do you react to that

00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:49.839
and you know it's like whatever when the apprentice

00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.319
becomes the master type thing right like it has

00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.539
a little bit of that in there as well like did

00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.000
you see any other themes that kind of really

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.420
spoke to you did you see it more about like just

00:32:58.910 --> 00:33:01.710
a group of people and like how much they'll follow

00:33:01.710 --> 00:33:03.849
directions before they push back or did the father

00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:05.990
son kind of or was it like a dual theme that

00:33:05.990 --> 00:33:08.170
you were dealing with the father son certainly

00:33:08.170 --> 00:33:11.130
i do think it was what i saw was like a very

00:33:11.130 --> 00:33:16.150
much old verse new in the sense of yeah the like

00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:19.930
the stubbornness the idea of knowing it all and

00:33:19.930 --> 00:33:22.809
how that that is wrapped in within a father son

00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:26.259
dynamic where You have a father who thinks that

00:33:26.259 --> 00:33:28.799
his experience and knowledge is all that matters,

00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:33.599
is unwilling to see compromise based upon really

00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.880
nothing beyond just stubbornness. And the way

00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.220
he deals with people, both on a punishment side,

00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:45.480
we see when people kind of rebel or they have

00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.519
the people who run off or what have you. And

00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.759
then how... we get like basically you know the

00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.599
the tort not torture i mean torture might be

00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.759
a strong word but certainly there is capital

00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.640
punishment that is done um and literally death

00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.440
as well but also seeing that and perhaps there

00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.799
is another way and the destruction that that

00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.880
leads and trying to find a way that maybe we

00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.619
do need to shift focus or maybe we do need to

00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:15.900
just not go the way where we're told because

00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:18.380
that's where we're going because ultimately that

00:34:18.380 --> 00:34:21.139
maybe though it is it is okay to change course

00:34:21.139 --> 00:34:24.420
so seeing seeing that back and forth on like

00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.599
a holistic standpoint of the old verse new and

00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.119
the old ways versus new ways and then incorporating

00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.139
within this kind of found family dynamic i thought

00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:35.440
was quite effective the only thing i thought

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:40.099
i we haven't really talked about was yet so far

00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:42.480
because there are some love interests within

00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.880
this um on a couple different levels so I was

00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.019
curious what your take is on those because we

00:34:50.019 --> 00:34:52.559
get some of that in the beginning and a bit at

00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.539
the end, but how did that impact you at all?

00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:01.219
I thought that was a worthy element to add. It's

00:35:01.219 --> 00:35:04.679
interesting how they had to do that because you're

00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.800
thinking this is a movie that, I don't know,

00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.539
call it 80 % of it or 90 % of it is going to

00:35:10.539 --> 00:35:17.079
be a group of men on a journey. how do you find

00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.360
a way to incorporate that part of their lives

00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:26.420
right because it does exist like it's not like

00:35:26.420 --> 00:35:28.539
these guys just always live just with guys and

00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:30.480
stuff like that right there is there's women

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.340
in the occasion in the equation somehow so it

00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:34.000
was interesting to see like how they were going

00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.840
to do that and you know obviously they have this

00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.219
like traveling troop or whatever that they they

00:35:39.219 --> 00:35:42.820
kind of find a way to get in there and maybe

00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:45.960
it's i don't know maybe it's not natural maybe

00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.539
it is i i didn't really get caught up with it

00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:53.039
because i was definitely like i felt like there

00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.340
was enough there between the female characters

00:35:58.340 --> 00:36:03.179
and the male characters that it did what it needed

00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:07.460
to do to paint that side of those characters

00:36:07.460 --> 00:36:10.260
and to add that element into their into their

00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:12.360
psyche i guess so to speak and i felt like the

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.420
the chemistry was enough there the one i mean

00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:18.940
there's a little mystery there as well like it

00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:21.239
wasn't just like hit you over the head with stuff

00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.019
it was like how sincere is this or how does this

00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:28.800
work so i thought it was like delicately handled

00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.880
to the point where it worked for me like there

00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.079
was enough there the chemistry was enough there

00:36:34.710 --> 00:36:37.190
that i bought it and i think it added to like

00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:40.130
another layer of of this story without feeling

00:36:40.130 --> 00:36:42.670
completely shoehorned or like hey we just had

00:36:42.670 --> 00:36:44.769
to fill it fit in a love interest to fit in a

00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:47.329
love interest like i didn't get that vibe from

00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:51.050
it um which could have easily happened yeah i

00:36:51.050 --> 00:36:54.269
i created i don't think it was completely ineffective

00:36:54.269 --> 00:36:56.789
i do think it's probably one of the weaker elements

00:36:56.789 --> 00:37:00.800
and i do feel like it's it was a way an easy

00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.780
not an easy kind of an easy way out near the

00:37:02.780 --> 00:37:04.239
end because they needed to come to a conclusion

00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.659
um and like it was a way to be able to define

00:37:07.659 --> 00:37:10.659
that conclusion without it leading to like the

00:37:10.659 --> 00:37:12.260
ultimate you know death what have you to give

00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:14.699
both of those characters a way out but i also

00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:17.019
think on the other side it does at least give

00:37:17.019 --> 00:37:22.000
john wayne's character thomas a bit more as a

00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.900
character because he isn't just you like to the

00:37:25.900 --> 00:37:27.539
point where you wonder like when why would anyone

00:37:27.539 --> 00:37:30.179
ever want to be around this guy like like he

00:37:30.179 --> 00:37:35.460
wasn't so unlikable or so one no at the the other

00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:38.659
direction where you saw that okay he does have

00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:43.099
human emotion at the time he he is he's caring

00:37:43.099 --> 00:37:45.860
he has those elements he's a full person per

00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:50.280
se but he's right now he's just kind of very

00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.860
stuck in his ways but he can be more than that

00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:56.900
so i do think it worked as that aspect of it

00:37:56.900 --> 00:37:59.440
but i do think you know it's definitely not the

00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.320
strength it's also not the focus it does what

00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.239
it needs to do yeah that's pretty much that much

00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.699
more so i was i was curious too because i feel

00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:10.000
like there's two i don't know like two pivotal

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.119
moments in the film that either you're going

00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:18.719
to accept or you're gonna have a problem with

00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.860
maybe and i was curious how your take is on both

00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:26.010
of these elements so one i believe is You have

00:38:26.010 --> 00:38:30.989
John Wayne's character, Dunson, who is definitely

00:38:30.989 --> 00:38:34.610
the authority in this and definitely wielding

00:38:34.610 --> 00:38:37.170
that power and all of these things. And you have

00:38:37.170 --> 00:38:41.349
his protege or his son that's coming along and

00:38:41.349 --> 00:38:45.469
has a lot to offer and eventually is almost forming

00:38:45.469 --> 00:38:51.530
a mutiny against him. And Dunson has a very extreme

00:38:51.530 --> 00:38:57.989
reaction to that. and i wonder what you're taking

00:38:57.989 --> 00:39:02.570
is like do you find it wholly earned and believable

00:39:02.570 --> 00:39:06.050
that based on what we've seen to the character

00:39:06.050 --> 00:39:08.750
and based on his history with his you know quote

00:39:08.750 --> 00:39:13.650
unquote child or son um that he would go that

00:39:13.650 --> 00:39:17.789
far when faced with this not to the point where

00:39:17.789 --> 00:39:19.929
he's gonna like get him back or get his people

00:39:19.929 --> 00:39:22.829
back or be angry or whatever but he's outright

00:39:22.829 --> 00:39:27.280
like saying he's going to kill him yeah like

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.119
how did you feel because i feel like that's like

00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.139
a critical moment where as an audience you either

00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:34.559
accept that and and move on for the rest of the

00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:39.880
journey or like it may be jarring yeah i mean

00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.739
it's certainly jarring but i also a part of me

00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:45.239
thought i don't think he actually means it in

00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.150
a way like people you know in the sense of People

00:39:48.150 --> 00:39:50.369
will say things and maybe not fully mean it.

00:39:50.449 --> 00:39:52.889
But I also think it is fitting within where that

00:39:52.889 --> 00:39:55.750
character was in a mental, because think about

00:39:55.750 --> 00:39:58.250
like this cattle was his identity. Like he went

00:39:58.250 --> 00:40:01.369
like the moment that the, he gets that land,

00:40:01.489 --> 00:40:05.730
he, everything he is doing, everything he is

00:40:05.730 --> 00:40:07.849
building himself up for everything, like all

00:40:07.849 --> 00:40:11.210
of his actions, even probably, you know, adopting

00:40:11.210 --> 00:40:16.449
Matt was for this moment. And it's being taken

00:40:16.449 --> 00:40:20.710
away from him. And so it's his identity. It's

00:40:20.710 --> 00:40:26.730
his self -worth. So because of that, he has that

00:40:26.730 --> 00:40:29.130
reaction. So I bought it as a reaction. I thought

00:40:29.130 --> 00:40:33.909
it was fitting. And you saw that he is willing

00:40:33.909 --> 00:40:36.929
to go those places. And to me, it made sense

00:40:36.929 --> 00:40:40.090
on a character standpoint based upon who he was,

00:40:40.289 --> 00:40:43.530
the stakes involved, and all those elements.

00:40:43.900 --> 00:40:47.159
but I never believed it in the sense of, I don't

00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.940
think the character fully believed it. Like I

00:40:48.940 --> 00:40:51.940
think he was, I don't think if, when it came

00:40:51.940 --> 00:40:54.199
down to it, like would he actually follow through?

00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.300
Probably not, but he would make everyone think

00:40:59.300 --> 00:41:01.219
he would. Like, I think part of it too may have

00:41:01.219 --> 00:41:05.380
even been, you know, the expectations. Yeah,

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.980
exactly. Exactly. What about you? How did it

00:41:08.980 --> 00:41:11.840
work for you? I mean, I do, I did find it jarring

00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.150
in the moment. Like, obviously when it first

00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:17.010
happens you're like whoa like there's getting

00:41:17.010 --> 00:41:18.710
mad and then there's wanting to kill somebody

00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:21.070
yeah we all get mad at our kids for different

00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:23.389
things but that's a little jump to killing so

00:41:23.389 --> 00:41:25.829
um so yeah at the beginning like when he first

00:41:25.829 --> 00:41:28.269
kind of goes there i was like oh like i don't

00:41:28.269 --> 00:41:30.570
know if i'm like cool with that but then like

00:41:30.570 --> 00:41:32.090
i think you're right like it's you know it's

00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:34.610
in the heat of the moment he's you know putting

00:41:34.610 --> 00:41:38.389
on a uh an image that he's maintaining he's he's

00:41:38.389 --> 00:41:40.369
very invested in like obviously this whole pursuit

00:41:40.369 --> 00:41:42.090
of his whole life and things of that nature and

00:41:42.589 --> 00:41:44.469
what his legacy will be and then things of that

00:41:44.469 --> 00:41:47.090
nature so like i i get like saying stuff in the

00:41:47.090 --> 00:41:48.789
heat of the moment and i think that somewhat

00:41:48.789 --> 00:41:50.590
works with like what i would get to then as my

00:41:50.590 --> 00:41:53.409
second a moment that either works for you or

00:41:53.409 --> 00:41:55.610
doesn't and that's like the ending overall and

00:41:55.610 --> 00:41:59.309
spoiler alert this movie is 80 years old so um

00:41:59.309 --> 00:42:00.989
i don't know why you would click on this if you

00:42:00.989 --> 00:42:02.969
haven't watched it already i mean they got spoiler

00:42:02.969 --> 00:42:05.170
just the facts so they're fine yeah okay sweet

00:42:05.170 --> 00:42:08.829
um so that leads to the ending because i think

00:42:08.829 --> 00:42:11.869
if you kind of take your dance that he's saying

00:42:11.869 --> 00:42:14.590
something in anger it's not necessarily like

00:42:14.590 --> 00:42:16.389
something he would follow through with and like

00:42:16.389 --> 00:42:20.170
it it's because of where he is in that exact

00:42:20.170 --> 00:42:23.750
moment in the film and you know in his his own

00:42:23.750 --> 00:42:27.889
art of what he's doing then i think that makes

00:42:27.889 --> 00:42:33.409
the ending work more or work enough where you

00:42:33.409 --> 00:42:35.650
kind of get that but i was curious did you have

00:42:35.650 --> 00:42:40.389
any sense that it was unearned too sentimental

00:42:40.389 --> 00:42:43.670
not necessary or did you feel like this was like

00:42:43.670 --> 00:42:47.429
a good ultimate culmination of kind of this father

00:42:47.429 --> 00:42:49.949
-son story i thought it was a great culmination

00:42:49.949 --> 00:42:51.730
i i really loved the ending i thought it was

00:42:51.730 --> 00:42:55.590
strong in the sense of seeing it build up get

00:42:55.590 --> 00:42:58.489
to where it needs to go and again in my in the

00:42:58.489 --> 00:43:00.429
back of my head i'm always thinking like i don't

00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:02.050
think he would ever fully follow through with

00:43:02.050 --> 00:43:05.949
it and then kind of them coming to that conclusion

00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.480
as much as you know sometimes you need to butt

00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.099
heads and fit and get through it uh even if you

00:43:14.099 --> 00:43:16.739
have to drag the other person along so i i thought

00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.460
it was very effective and there was a lot of

00:43:19.460 --> 00:43:21.599
tension there like just the way john wayne was

00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.840
walking like he was walking with the purpose

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.340
he usually does but even more so so i was it

00:43:27.340 --> 00:43:31.050
worked for me like i mentioned perhaps you could

00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:33.530
argue maybe it's a little bit of a comp out utilizing

00:43:33.530 --> 00:43:37.130
you know a third party to make them kind of see

00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.389
what they need to see in order to come to this

00:43:40.389 --> 00:43:44.650
sort of compromise but i thought it was earned

00:43:44.650 --> 00:43:46.730
enough based upon everything that was built it

00:43:46.730 --> 00:43:50.329
felt very satisfying but what did you think so

00:43:50.329 --> 00:43:54.090
i was i guess trying to uh relate things like

00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.159
Like I, I obviously, you know, lost my father

00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.139
when I was young. So I never had, I never got

00:44:00.139 --> 00:44:04.699
to that moment where your parents or your father

00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:06.960
stops becoming your, or stops being your like

00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.679
hero, so to speak. Like, you know, I feel like

00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:11.420
a lot of moms and dads, you know, especially

00:44:11.420 --> 00:44:13.420
are like, you kind of looked on and like, you

00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:15.239
look at them on like a pedestal and like they're,

00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.659
they're infallible and they don't do anything

00:44:17.659 --> 00:44:19.219
wrong. Or, you know, they're this hero figure.

00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:20.739
And I think you have that until a certain point.

00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.860
And then, you know, reality like shatters that

00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:25.739
at some point. you know, I didn't have that.

00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:29.000
So it's, it's something that it's harder for

00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.420
me to relate to in a father son standpoint. So

00:44:31.420 --> 00:44:34.960
what I instead kind of viewed it as is like when

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.679
you have that best friend that you spend too

00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.539
much time with and it gets to the point where

00:44:41.539 --> 00:44:43.900
you're ready to kill each other. And then you,

00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:45.719
it almost like comes to a culmination where you

00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.579
have to have that like dust up, like maybe not

00:44:49.579 --> 00:44:52.739
an all out fight, but like you have that. whatever

00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:56.340
that wrestling match or that like physical tussle

00:44:56.340 --> 00:44:58.860
or something like that and then like immediately

00:44:58.860 --> 00:45:01.320
after that you're fine right yeah it's like the

00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.579
typical guy argument or something like when you

00:45:03.579 --> 00:45:05.559
have a beef with somebody like you only hold

00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.320
it in so long you blow up at each other and then

00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.820
you're best friends again or then you're cool

00:45:08.820 --> 00:45:10.739
with each other like it kind of reminded me a

00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:14.880
little bit of that uh dynamic so like i got it

00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.480
from that standpoint And I think like too, if

00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.519
you're buying in the fact that he's not meaning

00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.099
that he, you know, he's not really going to kill

00:45:21.099 --> 00:45:23.820
him at any point in this film that, that it makes

00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:27.219
sense because it's like, it's basically, it takes

00:45:27.219 --> 00:45:32.579
him to this point where the whole town quote,

00:45:32.619 --> 00:45:34.739
I guess, you know, for lack of better term, the

00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:39.079
whole town's watching. Yeah. And there's no other

00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.199
way to get out of it. Like it's almost like your,

00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.110
your bluff is being called. on a big stage and

00:45:47.110 --> 00:45:50.889
like really he has no other way to continue the

00:45:50.889 --> 00:45:53.110
the ruse right like he has no way to continue

00:45:53.110 --> 00:45:56.250
the fact that he's actually so mad that he would

00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:58.190
he would want to kill this this kid that you

00:45:58.190 --> 00:46:00.590
know has been his son basically uh for the whole

00:46:00.590 --> 00:46:03.070
film and things like that and i think also the

00:46:03.070 --> 00:46:09.429
fact that deep down he knows that he his son

00:46:09.429 --> 00:46:14.019
was right probably right like he got the cattle

00:46:14.019 --> 00:46:16.440
to where they needed to go he did the things

00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.840
like at some point the pride fades away and you

00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.960
realize like okay like i was probably wrong yeah

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.059
and so i think that's a natural like culmination

00:46:29.059 --> 00:46:31.440
so like the ending did not bother me i was kind

00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:32.940
of intrigued when i read a couple of you know

00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:35.280
people that uh reviews or different things online

00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:36.940
that said like they thought it maybe wasn't earned

00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:39.579
or too sentimental or kind of you know to wrap

00:46:39.579 --> 00:46:42.869
up with a bow type nice neat but like i feel

00:46:42.869 --> 00:46:45.690
like it was all earned based on where these characters

00:46:45.690 --> 00:46:48.550
naturally were progressing with each other yeah

00:46:48.550 --> 00:46:52.570
i agree i mean it it is abrupt but in in one

00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:56.570
sense where you know it's they don't like slowly

00:46:56.570 --> 00:46:59.110
talk another down but i also feel like that's

00:46:59.110 --> 00:47:01.150
not these characters these are characters that

00:47:01.150 --> 00:47:05.050
are very much you know they see one thing one

00:47:05.050 --> 00:47:08.210
way you know another so it's i felt it was a

00:47:08.210 --> 00:47:11.019
fitting way that those characters would react

00:47:11.019 --> 00:47:13.260
it didn't feel like out of character where they

00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:15.780
would have this like heart -to -heart speech

00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:17.460
that's like that's not who they are they're gonna

00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:19.579
they're gonna figure it out and then i'm like

00:47:19.579 --> 00:47:22.980
okay we're good like you said like you do the

00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:24.780
little head nod like after a fight like you do

00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:26.559
a little head nod and like you're like all right

00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:28.539
we're good and then hug it out and then you're

00:47:28.539 --> 00:47:30.840
that's all you need to do so i felt like it was

00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.139
very you make a good comparison with like the

00:47:33.139 --> 00:47:36.380
friends i think that's a very good good uh allegory

00:47:36.380 --> 00:47:39.829
to what happened here yeah the last thing i wanted

00:47:39.829 --> 00:47:42.849
to bring up on my end was you know we spent a

00:47:42.849 --> 00:47:44.710
lot of time talking about the dynamics of the

00:47:44.710 --> 00:47:46.769
characters and we've talked about the setting

00:47:46.769 --> 00:47:49.789
and the music and the feel of the film and everything

00:47:49.789 --> 00:47:52.030
of that nature you know using the real cattle

00:47:52.030 --> 00:47:54.130
and i think there's like 9 000 cattle or something

00:47:54.130 --> 00:47:59.329
i don't know um and we briefly we briefly talked

00:47:59.329 --> 00:48:01.829
a little bit about how they make like the ensemble

00:48:01.829 --> 00:48:05.590
distinct and give them identities another thing

00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:07.739
they did though is they like included a whole

00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:12.800
bunch of famous western character actors so there's

00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:14.619
a lot of people that we've seen in some of these

00:48:14.619 --> 00:48:16.920
other films or that are known for their roles

00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.219
it always sounds weird for me to say harry carey

00:48:19.219 --> 00:48:20.699
and harry carey jr because for me that's like

00:48:20.699 --> 00:48:23.679
the announcer of the cubs in the 80s but also

00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:25.239
a western i had to look it up like is there any

00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.539
relation there is not um that's not the same

00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:29.940
carry line but like so so they've been in a number

00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:31.460
of films you know you mentioned walter brennan

00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:33.300
there's like a you could probably say like six

00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:35.989
or eight like pretty strong western character

00:48:35.989 --> 00:48:37.909
actors and then obviously we have John Wayne

00:48:37.909 --> 00:48:41.710
yeah obviously we have John Wayne and then we

00:48:41.710 --> 00:48:46.670
oppose that with Montgomery Cliff who this is

00:48:46.670 --> 00:48:50.329
his first film so he's not a character actor

00:48:50.329 --> 00:48:52.969
he's not a known western actor he's not experienced

00:48:52.969 --> 00:48:56.429
he's coming in and and his first film is going

00:48:56.429 --> 00:48:59.050
toe -to -toe with John Wayne so I just wanted

00:48:59.050 --> 00:49:01.550
to spend a second to get your take on how you

00:49:01.550 --> 00:49:05.619
feel Montgomery Cliff did in this role um how

00:49:05.619 --> 00:49:09.179
he worked for you and and were you surprised

00:49:09.179 --> 00:49:12.139
that this was his first film role i i didn't

00:49:12.139 --> 00:49:14.539
get that first film role at all he felt young

00:49:14.539 --> 00:49:18.239
for the role he felt very it's of the time like

00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:23.400
when i think of like 1940 late 40s 50s like young

00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.400
actors like that like that that type of energy

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.460
i definitely feel like he he had that per se

00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:31.800
and i thought he held up his own when he came

00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.849
to john wayne like he wasn't trying to impersonate

00:49:34.849 --> 00:49:40.170
john wayne or um you know try to match his bravado

00:49:40.170 --> 00:49:42.170
he went a different way with it like his character

00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:46.550
was very uh independent and of the way he would

00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:49.650
act he he felt a bit more nuanced he felt a bit

00:49:49.650 --> 00:49:53.219
more empathetic i thought he did a pretty strong

00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:54.780
role. I mean, we've seen a lot of people try

00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:58.139
this part and it can come off as too corny person

00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:00.159
to use a word that's overused nowadays, but,

00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.119
or at least a bit too on the nose or like trying

00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.340
too hard, like almost like a Disney version of

00:50:06.340 --> 00:50:08.820
a Western character. I didn't get that with him

00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:10.800
at all. I thought it was pretty strong. Like

00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.599
I didn't have any idea. This was his first major

00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.159
role. And I would, I don't recognize him from

00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:17.400
anything else. I don't know if I've seen him

00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.559
anywhere. I'll never really realized it, but

00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.059
I thought he was good here. i think he did i

00:50:23.059 --> 00:50:25.099
haven't seen from here to eternity he's in that

00:50:25.099 --> 00:50:29.239
um it's interesting though when you look at some

00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.079
of the roles he declined so this comes out in

00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.519
1948 and he's offered roles in the following

00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.559
films dan that we're about to cover and he turns

00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.940
them all down or somebody else was cast instead

00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:40.840
so he was offered a role in high noon he was

00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.360
offered a role in shane he was offered a role

00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.579
in rio bravo um and stuff like that he was offered

00:50:49.579 --> 00:50:53.320
a role in rope from Alfred Hitchcock. I could

00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.559
see that. He probably would have been one of

00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.980
the murderers, would be my guess. He was offered

00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:01.920
a role on On the Waterfront, A Star is Born,

00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:05.559
Bridge Over the River Kwai, Cat on a Hot Tin

00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.280
Roof. I don't know why he turned all these down

00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.579
or why somebody else got cast instead, but he

00:51:09.579 --> 00:51:11.539
could have had a whole different career. He could

00:51:11.539 --> 00:51:12.900
have been the best actor ever, and he's like,

00:51:12.940 --> 00:51:17.139
nah, I got, you know, not that movie. That's

00:51:17.139 --> 00:51:19.539
kind of crazy. Yeah, he only does like 15 or

00:51:19.539 --> 00:51:24.000
16 films total. He's done by 1960 -something.

00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:27.420
So that's kind of interesting. I thought he did

00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:30.980
well. I was drawn to him as a character. I found

00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:34.519
him having enough charisma and enough youth where

00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.539
he didn't quite come across... We've had a lot

00:51:37.539 --> 00:51:39.260
of young characters in these Western films, right?

00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.920
The young Buck or the this, that, and the other.

00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:45.340
And sometimes they've come off as like... that

00:51:45.340 --> 00:51:47.659
guy is on a different set than the rest of the

00:51:47.659 --> 00:51:51.000
folks right and uh i did not get that with with

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.239
montgomery cliff i thought he like gelled perfectly

00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.059
with what he was there for and i thought he he

00:51:56.059 --> 00:51:59.099
played the role well so i was impressed by his

00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:02.000
first film like that's pretty impressive especially

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.639
going against someone john wayne even if they

00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.460
didn't get along together like it i guess it

00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:11.550
worked for the film so um because it made their

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:13.510
dynamic i think that much more believable so

00:52:13.510 --> 00:52:15.570
any other final last thoughts on red river dan

00:52:15.570 --> 00:52:18.730
no i i would say it's interesting like going

00:52:18.730 --> 00:52:21.130
into this it wasn't i didn't see it listed within

00:52:21.130 --> 00:52:23.829
a lot of the lists we looked at like as one of

00:52:23.829 --> 00:52:26.429
the best westerns but i am glad we covered it

00:52:26.429 --> 00:52:28.590
because i do think looking you know i haven't

00:52:28.590 --> 00:52:31.409
ranked all my crazy how many we've done so far

00:52:31.409 --> 00:52:33.769
because i was looking at like you said like 18

00:52:33.769 --> 00:52:36.449
or so at this point yeah but i do think it is

00:52:36.449 --> 00:52:39.039
you know within the ones we've gotten done especially

00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.920
just the john wayne ones top echelon at least

00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.380
for me right now so be curious where it fits

00:52:44.380 --> 00:52:48.360
at the end but yeah overall rather strong film

00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.239
i'm glad we got a chance to talk about it yeah

00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.460
i agree it gives us a lot like you get john wayne

00:52:52.460 --> 00:52:55.139
but you get our first cattle drive like i said

00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:57.880
the music worked phenomenally for me um i felt

00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.659
like it really felt authentic and then you have

00:52:59.659 --> 00:53:01.559
some different character dynamics than we've

00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.260
seen in some of the other films with the with

00:53:03.260 --> 00:53:06.119
the you know relationships between not just John

00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.000
Wayne and his son, but the rest of the people

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.440
that are on this journey. So I think it's, it's

00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:12.820
worth watching. I'm surprised it doesn't get

00:53:12.820 --> 00:53:15.199
listed higher on a lot of these best Western

00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.579
rankings. Yeah. I know we'll get the Brio Bravo

00:53:17.579 --> 00:53:19.940
and I wonder if, you know, which is also has

00:53:19.940 --> 00:53:22.239
a lot of similar actors and same director. So

00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.199
I wonder now that I have high expectations for

00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.179
that, because I see that ranked even higher than

00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:29.320
this and that rankings are and everything, but

00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.739
just considering how much I enjoyed it, I am.

00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.059
Really looking forward to getting to that. But

00:53:34.059 --> 00:53:36.440
next week, we're going to be not doing Rio Bravo.

00:53:36.619 --> 00:53:39.099
What are we doing next week? We have High Noon

00:53:39.099 --> 00:53:43.639
from 1952. So back into the 50s. That would be

00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.920
the first time we've been in the 50s. Well, I

00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:48.639
guess Johnny Guitar and Naked Spur. So it's the

00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.559
same time period, right? That came out a year

00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.719
before the Naked Spur. So I have no experience

00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.980
with High Noon. I believe you have seen it, though,

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.199
correct? I have seen it, but it was another one.

00:53:59.219 --> 00:54:02.360
It was probably about 12. years ago if not longer

00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:04.460
so it's been it's been quite a while since i've

00:54:04.460 --> 00:54:06.659
i've watched it so i'm looking forward to and

00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:10.039
it has gary cooper in it who was offered the

00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.059
role of john wayne's character but turned it

00:54:12.059 --> 00:54:15.900
down so be intrigued to see how he fails with

00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:19.539
of um how nutty fails that's harsh how like you

00:54:19.539 --> 00:54:22.320
know how he works out with high noon because

00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.059
it's a very it's a very very different type of

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movie compared to this that that i remember so

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okay I am intrigued as well as I am for the rest

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of this block with Shane and Rio Bravo still

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to come. So that's what we got on tap for this

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portion of the Western Retrospective. If you're

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wanting something different, you can always check

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out our Planet of the Apes talk as well as we

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make our way through that entire franchise. You

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can search out Dan at the comic concierge on

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most social platforms. You can search me out

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at Optimus solo, or you can visit the website

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at the GCRN .com or search out the podcast on

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Facebook or different platforms. Dan, what is

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the Facebook search that they would need to do

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to find us? If you search a cinema geeks movie

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podcast, you'll be able to find it. All right.

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So that does it for this episode. Tune in next

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time for another chance to listen to more of

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the cinema geeks.