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Starscream here, and I am the lord and master

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of the Geekcast Radio Network. Don't tell Megatron.

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Hello and welcome to episode 250 of The Cinema

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Geeks. I am one of your Cinema Geeks optimists,

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Solo, and joining me as usual is the comic concierge.

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Hello, Dan. Hello. I'm just going to have to

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start putting a disclaimer every time I put a

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number next to an episode because I really have

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no idea what number episode we're on. And we're

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recording multiple things and we have some kind

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of locked away for different releases and stuff

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like that. I'm always trying to put the pieces

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together and then we'll do something random where

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we actually get to the movie theater and want

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to talk about something new. So then I'm like,

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well, that should be released now, but it's...

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number y is going to be later i don't know i

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don't know how all that works so hopefully nobody

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pays attention to the episode numbers and yeah

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that's why all the new podcasts don't use numbers

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you're right you know that was just like when

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the podcast was first a thing like you everyone

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just used the number that was just a thing you

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did but like no one does that anymore so i guess

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we're just like we should we should get it get

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with the times i guess i don't know i don't know

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why now you know it's like yeah why change a

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good thing right now um i hear we're real popular

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in denmark no i have no idea um so today is one

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of those times where dan and i both were able

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to get to a theater within the last you know

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few weeks and and watch a new movie actually

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you've been a few times recently yeah to see

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some films but we we had some crossover with

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one of the ones that we were able to see and

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that was also i believe on both of our most anticipated

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lists at the beginning of the year and it was

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your number two pick in your box office draft

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if i'm remembering yes you're correct correct

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which was a good pick uh it's definitely up there

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nicely it's like it's like yeah what's one of

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the few that i that i got right so i think you

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were good with michael and you were good with

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the odyssey so far and you still got some bullets

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in the chamber so to speak so today we are talking

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about christopher nolan's the odyssey but before

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we get into any of that dan i don't think we've

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ever discussed our history knowledge liking or

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disliking or experience with Homer's ancient

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play, The Odyssey. Did you have to read this

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in school? Did you cover it at one point? How

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old were you if you did? We never read the entire

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thing. I think we read snippets of The Odyssey,

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The Iliad, Beowulf. We took, I think, pieces

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of them and dissected them, but never the entire

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thing. Did you have to read the entire thing

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or portions of it? i don't believe we had to

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read the entire thing but i could be misremembering

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i know we had the same thing we did the odyssey

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the iliad we did do beowulf around the same time

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i think i don't know if that was in this i assume

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it was all in the same class i don't know how

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that would have been split up into two different

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years that seems like it would be weird um if

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you're doing like ancient literature you'd probably

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do all those together right oh how old were you

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my for me i'm thinking this was probably like

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i don't know maybe 16 ish yeah i was probably

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around that age like middle like high school

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like 10th 11th grade yeah um yeah i want to say

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it wasn't my freshman year wasn't my senior year

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but like somewhere in between yeah and i didn't

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remember much of it uh i never read you haven't

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revisited it numerous times since you were 15

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i haven't surprisingly enough but uh so i never

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read the entire thing i've I got interested in

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it somewhat because of when Troy came out. Because

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that was like right when we, what was that, 2004?

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So right after I graduated from high school.

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Not to date myself, of course. We've been doing

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this a while. But when that was coming out, I

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got interested in... like the iliad and at the

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same time marvel pretty published uh an adaptation

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of the iliad so i got into like that aspect of

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it but i never really read or got into the odyssey

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portion of it do you what did you think of it

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do you remember enjoying it or being like this

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is a slog in high school or like what was your

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take way back when i did i definitely enjoyed

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it like that that's partially why you know i

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got into it more i actually saw troy in theaters

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like three times because i really dig uh that

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one that's when i had way more time on my hands

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than i do now so that was helpful um and it was

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also like not something i necessarily planned

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but it was like i went with friends and this

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and then like family and then other friends so

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you know back when you're old younger and have

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multiple friend groups that's not something i

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actually enjoyed troy as well like yeah i remember

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watching that when it first came out and i know

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a pooping on it or whatever that's not a very

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educated phrase there as we're talking about

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the Odyssey and whatnot but a lot of people were

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down on it and like I always thought it was one

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of those ones where I was like I guess it worked

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for me like whatever and but I feel like I don't

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know I feel like some people have come around

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over the years a little bit more on it but I

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did enjoy Troy it's also one of those things

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where like suddenly when something new comes

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out like everyone likes the other thing in retrospect

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more suddenly it's like when she hulk came out

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or other things like suddenly everyone loves

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the 2008 hulk film and thinking like where did

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this come from like that was like where did they

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and i feel like that's kind of happened with

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troy but i was there in the beginning like you

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i obviously i saw it three times partially because

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i did really love it at the time i did revisit

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it recently after seeing the odyssey just because

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it's like i need to go back to it but yeah though

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like that type of sword and sandal adventure

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if you want to call it that the clash of the

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titans and things like that we don't get movies

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like this not even just in scale but like genre

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wise very often anymore so that was partially

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because why i was excited for it and then of

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course it's christopher nolan you know as much

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as like sometimes he can he has the film bros

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after him and like the weight of his name but

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ultimately like he has he's able to make event

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films in a way that like no one really did since

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Spielberg in a way so yeah I was gonna ask you

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kind of going into that not just your history

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with the Odyssey but like being a Christopher

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Nolan film I know that's what got it on our radar

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right not just that it's like this classic story

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that we probably haven't revisited in decades

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but like that it was also a Christopher Nolan

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film which put it on our most anticipated list

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we thought it might have some success with the

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box office because of that name connection but

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like where do you kind of sit like As far as

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a Christopher Nolan fan, how does he rank amongst

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your... Is he one of your favorite directors?

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What's your history with Christopher Nolan overall?

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I wouldn't say he's one of my favorite directors.

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I just saw Tenet for the first time a few weeks

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ago. It came out during COVID. I missed it. I

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never went back. I generally enjoy his movies.

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I do like the Batman trilogy. Inception, my favorite.

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Still probably Memento. I love Memento. that's

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uh so that's a huge fan of i'm a huge fan of

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that uh i know people bring up prestige a lot

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i i saw that once i think i and i enjoyed it

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but it's not one i think i've watched nearly

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enough but i i like his movies i wouldn't say

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he's like my favorite director by far but i do

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he do want more often than not if i'm gonna see

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a movie he does to see it in theater uh obviously

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with tenant i didn't do that partially because

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of covet at the time but i love seeing inception

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in theaters and things like that so i you know

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i'm kind of i guess a lukewarm fan but how about

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yourself i'd say i would probably describe myself

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as a little more than lukewarm i mean he's done

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he's done 13 films i haven't seen two of them

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i didn't realize he did a film before memento

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so that's my bad oh following yeah yeah it's

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you know it's his first film and you could tell

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it's you know it's one of those things where

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it's like it's impressed that this got made because

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it was a time when it was hard to make films,

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but it's worth watching just for, you know, see,

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you know, a young filmmaker come alive in that

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way. But it's not, I would say of all of his

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film, it's probably, I would rate the least last

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out of all of them. Yeah. I haven't seen that

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one. And I still haven't caught up with tenant.

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It just came out when my, it was the year my

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daughter was born and COVID and this, that, and

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the other. And I just haven't gotten around to

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it, even though, you know, I like, uh, um, him

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and i like you know john was it john david robbins

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or washington i'm gonna get the name wrong yeah

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i'd be interested to see what you think of that

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one because there's a lot of some people like

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think it's an underrated masterpiece you know

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whatever you want to call it and some people

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are i think it's a mess so i would say christopher

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nolan's kind of interesting because there were

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movies when i was a kid that made me fall in

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love with films right like star wars and the

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indiana jones series and and stuff like that

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back to the future like those films really kind

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of like i don't i don't know if they just changed

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my way of like looking at films but they were

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like opened up my eyes to like how cool films

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could be and like really at a young age made

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me fall in love with them and but i think as

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i was getting older there was certain older i

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say as i was a teenager um and you know in my

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high school maybe early college years there were

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certain films that kind of again gave me a shift

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in like how i viewed movies like it was no longer

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just the the shock and awe or the wonder that

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you get as a child when you see stuff on the

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on the big screen that like wows you from that

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standpoint but they're they're films that are

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like make you think of the world differently

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or make you think of life differently or just

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whatever or just change like what you understand

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is possible in film and i always view memento

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as kind of one of those like early on and it

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was just like one of those that was like wait

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a second like what are we doing here um and and

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it for a long time that was like one of my favorite

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films that i had ever seen and i still would

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probably rank it real close to the top if not

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at the top of my ranking of nolan films but i

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think what impresses me even if some of them

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aren't as high as that one for me out of the

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11 that i've seen i don't know if i've had a

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bad experience you know what i mean like the

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batting average is good like they might not all

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be grand slams but there's not any strikeouts

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for me like most of these are hits like they

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might be a they might be like a a blunt single

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occasionally or like an infield single or something

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like that but like they're all they've all been

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like different levels of yeah good in my mind

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the only one that comes to mind that i didn't

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that is borderline and like it's been i don't

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think i've seen it since it's come out say insomnia

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right yeah that's what i figured yeah i didn't

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love it but also like that was i think him still

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still finding himself and i wonder too like going

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back to it if i would like i said it's been you

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know 15 years since i watched it so i'd be intrigued

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to see if it holds up if it's better than i remember

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or whatnot right i do feel like there's a few

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of his filmography that i need to watch a few

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more times because memento i've seen like i don't

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know i don't re -watch a lot of movies but i've

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probably seen memento at least four times uh

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if not a couple more i've seen all of the batman

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films you know a number of different times but

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insomnia prestige even inception and interstellar

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as much as i enjoyed them when they came out

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i haven't done a lot of re -watching of yeah

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those films so i feel like there's some that

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i probably need to re -watch like i i would be

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ill -prepared to rank his filmography at this

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juncture because outside of memento and the batman

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trilogy i don't know if i've seen any of them

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more than i think i've seen inception a couple

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times but i've only seen interstellar once i've

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only seen dunkirk once i've only seen oppenheimer

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once i think i've seen prestige maybe a time

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and a half and insomnia like once so inception

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was one i was i would be say look like i didn't

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love it i was there's aspects of it that i love

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and aspects of it i didn't so it's kind of right

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in the middle for me but again like you haven't

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seen it since since i saw in theaters right so

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i'd be you know and a lot has changed you know

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but i didn't have a kid at that point and there's

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such a big like father -daughter relationship

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within that i wonder if that would you know impact

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me differently right all these years later so

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definitely could so i guess that kind of transitions

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me into like one of the main things that i want

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to kind of start off with with discussing because

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it is the kind of the nolan aspect of the odyssey

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here for for 2026 so i had two different questions

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kind of around nolan and we've just spent some

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time talking about all of his films and one of

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the more fascinating ideas that i've heard come

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out of some of the different discourse with this

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film and christopher nolan and i am going to

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try to keep this podcast as much about the actual

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film and like real things that we can talk about

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and not the nonsense that represents the world

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we live in but um one of the fascinating I don't

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know if culmination is the right word, but this

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film feels like a summary or a culmination or

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a connection piece to like his entire career.

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So if you, and this is kind of, I'm kind of summarizing

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or, or trying to make this easier than how I

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heard it explained and add in a little bit of

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my own touch to it, I guess as well. But a lot

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of people view, you know, memento as a, as a

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film that's really dealing with identity and,

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and things of that nature. You have, Batman as

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a story, especially in this trilogy, is are you

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becoming the person you're meant to be? There's

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obsession involved in the prestige. Inception

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is a man trying to get home to his children.

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Interstellar is a father separated from his family.

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Dunkirk is about survival. Oppenheimer is about

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living with the consequences of your actions.

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The Odyssey has a little bit of all of that.

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Is it? Do you view that as some sort of culmination

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of all of this stuff? Has he been preparing to

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tell this story for 20 years without realizing

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it? Is it just something that just spoke to him,

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you think, as far as themes he's used to, and

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that's why he kind of gravitated towards this?

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Or do you see it as something that's completely

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separate from the films that he's done before?

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I think it's certainly something that has interested

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him since the beginning, because as we mentioned,

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Troy, he was actually attached to that early

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on. And he was potentially going to be the director

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until he felt like he wasn't up to being able

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to direct that yet. So I think this material,

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obviously, it has interested him since the beginning.

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And I think throughout all of his movies, you

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see a lot of the influences of the things that

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he loves. He never made a James Bond movie, but

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you certainly see influences of those films in

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everything from The Dark Knight to Tenet. I know

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you haven't seen it, but there's like many people

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said. Yeah, like many people said, it's the closest

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thing he's done to a Bond film. And I think there

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are some common themes that you bring up a lot,

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but he loves time, the use of time. We see that

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a great deal. So I think there are just certain

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stories that I think he connects with because

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of the machinations of them, like the way they're

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designed, the way he can play with time, the

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way he can... the longing that you mentioned

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so i do think it's i don't think it's necessarily

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not a coincidence i don't know if that at i don't

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think like you know day one he's like okay i

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am i'm gonna do all these and then my magnum

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opus is going to be the odyssey but i certainly

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could see him thinking like okay now i feel comfortable

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like yeah now that like i've done this and also

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understanding The challenge is just to get to

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a point where you can make a movie like this.

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I think he mentioned after Oppenheimer was a

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bigger success than they even imagined, he kind

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of had that metaphorical blank check to do whatever

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he wants. So he was in a place both financially

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as a filmmaker and as a craftsman ready to take

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on this story. So I think it's kind of a comedy.

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It's basically the perfect storm where it's something

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he's wanted to do. and now he has the capability

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of doing it. And then within that, he took elements

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of the story that I think appeals to him most,

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and knowing a little bit of it, he clearly put

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his own spin on it and brought those elements

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in. So I think it certainly is him working towards

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this and then taking the opportunities, like,

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okay, well, now it's now or never, and biting

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the bullet and doing it. So that's my take, at

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least. yeah i think that's a good take i don't

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think there was like a conscious effort necessarily

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but i can see like he's played in this sandbox

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enough where he could feel comfortable or just

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like when you decide to do stuff you do stuff

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you're passionate about and he's done stories

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that have these elements so it's a maybe just

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a subconsciously like a clear choice to do something

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else that speaks to a lot of the themes that

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you're used to like telling you know a lot of

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directors have certain things that they tackle

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a lot like you said with the time and his situation

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i was wondering you know he is known for his

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intellect right he's known for having these films

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that are almost about similar to like solving

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a puzzle he has playing with the elements of

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time he has the like the intelligence when it

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comes to the actual filmmaking itself right and

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like how he's going to do it and how he's going

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to frame things and what elements he's going

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to use so like he has a lot of that in his like

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repertoire or or as far as like his legacy of

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what he's known for do you feel like with the

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odyssey we've gotten what could be called his

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most emotional film that takes a lot of those

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other elements but adds more of the core being

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you know all of these emotional topics like guilt

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and regret and coming to terms with your decisions

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and forgiveness and your family and what is home

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what does that mean how do we get you know all

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of these things do you feel like he's been emotional

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throughout all of his films or do you feel like

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he kind of tapped into that more than we've seen

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before with this one I don't think he's been

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emotional throughout all the films. I think if

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anything, that's one criticism in the sense of

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his films can be a bit cold, but I think there

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are certain sequences, that's not a word, sequences,

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there are moments and pieces of that where he's

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able to break through a bit or utilize at least

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actors that, to me, I think the most emotional

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movie still Or maybe it's just because I'm thinking

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of that one scene with Matthew McConaughey watching

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his daughter grow up right before his eyes. That,

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to me, still feels like the most emotional in

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the ending as well. So on an emotion standpoint,

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I felt like Interstellar was a bit stronger with

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those sequences. Certainly, it's here, per se,

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but I don't know if it ever... The way it's structured,

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in a way, it's like there's... you don't necessarily

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get time as much time to have those emotional

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connections. Like you see the regret, you see

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the fear, you see the, the horror of like coming

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to terms with one at one's actions. But in the

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sense of like emotion of characters towards one

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another, I don't think it is not, not saying

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it's a fault, but I don't find it more emotional

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than anything he's done before. If anything,

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a little bit less, a few films, but how about

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yourself? I mean, I think I would put Interstellar

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as maybe the most emotional if I'm remembering

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my experience right with them all. Again, some

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of these I've only seen one time. I think I would

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put this one, like if I'm doing like a line and

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I have super emotional on one end and no emotion

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on the other side, I'm probably still putting

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Odyssey on the half that is towards the emotion

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side. I'm not putting it as far as I put Interstellar,

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but I'm not also putting it like. on the left

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side with like just like no emotion at all um

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and obviously it's it's almost impossible to

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make a movie with no emotion right like you're

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gonna have some elements of that or you're not

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human i guess unless you're yo evil and you make

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yeah yeah video game annotation then you're really

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good at making no emotions yeah i i think it

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i think some of it just depends on like what

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speaks to you from an emotional standpoint too

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yeah um you know i think some are obviously going

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to really connect to like the the father daughter

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thing like you talked about with interstellar

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or different things like that even the batman

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films you can find emotion in there where you

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know as bruce wayne as a character is kind of

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traversing his life and you know with his parents

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and things like that there's obviously i mean

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i think we're somewhat immune cold to it or immune

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to it because we've seen the batman origin story

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so many times but like there is had you not seen

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that before there is emotion with losing your

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parents and things of that nature right and coming

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trying to like fill that void so i think all

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of them have like a little little elements i

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felt it a little bit more with this one than

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i have like even as much as i love like memento

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and like i think inception's like a very well

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-constructed film but i felt more emotion with

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this one maybe than i did with those yeah i would

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i would i would agree with that yeah sure i mean

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i think that the thing about this one is for

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me a lot of adventure films or epics or these

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types of things are about like an end goal or

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an end destination like trying to get somewhere

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whatever the case may be right like we're um

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we're traversing a long environment or a lot

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of years or something where we're on a journey

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like that's like the hero's journey it kind of

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comes with adventure films right and i think

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one thing that i felt a little bit more in this

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one was it wasn't about getting home as much

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as it was about Odysseus's belief that he was

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worthy of home in that respect. So I felt like

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that was a little bit of a twist on the adventure

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film trope that I enjoyed. It's not just about

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him getting there and then everything's just

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going to be sunshine and roses. It was like,

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am I worthy? Do I deserve to even be there? Can

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I justify myself going back into that? setting

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and things of that nature you know it's obviously

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been a number of years we've made some choices

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you know things of that like obviously there

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still is the journey right there still is overcoming

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the obstacles there still is like the the evolution

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or the character arc that we're going to get

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with most of these stories just inherently but

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I did appreciate that it was a little bit more

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of like what he felt about inside and being worthy

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of like what home is I guess That was a bit unexpected.

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And not just that aspect of it, but clearly what

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this movie was saying on, like, a social -political

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level. I know, obviously, you mentioned, like,

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keeping it to the movie within itself, but to

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the film. But, like, what I think Christopher

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Nolan, like, he touches upon, you know, social

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-political things. You see it a bit with The

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Dark Knight and, like, the idea of, like, Big

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Brother and pieces. And I wasn't, I didn't know

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if that would be at all. within this, like, it's

00:24:42.819 --> 00:24:46.380
obviously this archaic story in a good way that's

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gone on forever. Could it really tie to today's

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world or, you know, our times in a way? But clearly,

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like, I don't, you know, it seemed that was certainly

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there. It seemed, not just our times, but the

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idea of what war can do to society, you know,

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seeing Odysseus come to that realization that,

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like, once it's broken, it can't be fixed and

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like that that regret and then it all started

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making sense regarding like so many people speak

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in like the modern english of today and i don't

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know if that was partially just because it's

00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.539
more of a financial decision because you're doing

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the odyssey people speaking like they did back

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in the day with that would you scare people away

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but i think it also ties into like again what

00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:38.319
this was saying about you know the way in which

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politics and the way the world functions has

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been broken to such a degree. Like the, the quorum

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is of the, you know, Zeus's law has long left

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the building and, and how we're still like paying

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for, you know, I forget the exact phrasing about

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the people from the aisle or the, the ships from

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the sea or whatever. And then what, realizing

00:26:02.539 --> 00:26:04.200
that, you know, those are actually us, like we're

00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.680
the people that are, I guess, spoilers a bit

00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.529
for, The Odyssey, which I guess we can just say

00:26:09.529 --> 00:26:11.349
up front. We're going to spoil it. It's been,

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like with Project Calamari, if we saw it in theaters,

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and considering it is The Odyssey, I don't know

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if there's much to spoil. How old is the poem?

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I don't know. Old enough. But that surprised

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me the most, within the same vein of how... it

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was him coming to terms with accepting and then

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the allegorical elements of that and not i don't

00:26:36.609 --> 00:26:38.750
think it's it's i think it was well handled because

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it's not super direct it's not like you can you

00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:43.309
can take it a lot of different ways but i think

00:26:43.309 --> 00:26:44.910
it certainly is him saying something without

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it being too overt and too on the nose which

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i think can happen a lot with movies today even

00:26:52.029 --> 00:26:53.829
movies i agree with i'm like okay i agree with

00:26:53.829 --> 00:26:56.690
you but you take a step back a bit but i thought

00:26:56.690 --> 00:27:00.690
it was there was tact here that I appreciated

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I too thought that like being able to connect

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:08.769
it to I mean I know the poem's been around for

00:27:08.769 --> 00:27:10.130
thousands of years and you can't do that if you

00:27:10.130 --> 00:27:12.710
don't have some element of like time like timelessness

00:27:12.710 --> 00:27:15.910
like where it just doesn't matter but like I

00:27:15.910 --> 00:27:19.269
was also surprised with his ability to connect

00:27:19.269 --> 00:27:23.329
it to the modern audience I guess in a way of

00:27:23.329 --> 00:27:29.440
showing how you can become and i think this is

00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.700
pertinent to today whether it be social political

00:27:33.700 --> 00:27:39.500
whether it be hobbies whether it be the internet

00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:41.380
world that a lot of people live in and things

00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:47.140
like that but like how much you can get so laser

00:27:47.140 --> 00:27:51.220
focused or tunnel vision on something that may

00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:59.130
be initially a good venture or have a good intent

00:27:59.130 --> 00:28:02.309
behind it but that you can become so lost with

00:28:02.309 --> 00:28:06.329
how much you get into that and lose like you

00:28:06.329 --> 00:28:08.589
have blinders on to the rest of the world almost

00:28:08.589 --> 00:28:10.809
like that the idea of you know i know obsession

00:28:10.809 --> 00:28:13.269
has been a movie this year but like the idea

00:28:13.269 --> 00:28:15.869
of being obsessed with something or being so

00:28:15.869 --> 00:28:20.150
wrapped up with something that you start what's

00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:22.299
the phrase you lose the the trees through the

00:28:22.299 --> 00:28:24.019
forest or the force of the trees the force of

00:28:24.019 --> 00:28:26.000
the trees yeah the force of the trees right like

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.140
you're you're losing sight of like have i taken

00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:35.259
a step back to see is this still worthy is this

00:28:35.259 --> 00:28:38.640
still yeah worth the decisions and the sacrifices

00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.700
i'm making because it's it's easy like i don't

00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:45.720
know using a simple example like in business

00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.079
or in sports like you can be so focused on winning

00:28:49.849 --> 00:28:52.089
that you start to win the wrong way right like

00:28:52.089 --> 00:28:55.210
you you lose integrity or you lose you take the

00:28:55.210 --> 00:28:57.710
shortcuts or you you know for sports you pump

00:28:57.710 --> 00:29:00.609
the steroids or you start betting on outcomes

00:29:00.609 --> 00:29:03.430
or whatever it is like you lose sight of like

00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:05.849
what's real and i think that was a interesting

00:29:05.849 --> 00:29:08.349
way that he kind of had a little play on that

00:29:08.349 --> 00:29:11.950
too with like how much he can just hey i have

00:29:11.950 --> 00:29:13.690
this idea that i think it's going to work and

00:29:13.690 --> 00:29:15.470
it reminds me of like the jurassic park line

00:29:15.470 --> 00:29:18.849
right like we became so what is it we became

00:29:18.849 --> 00:29:20.369
like so obsessed with could we do it that we

00:29:20.369 --> 00:29:24.170
never asked if we should or whatever yeah the

00:29:24.170 --> 00:29:26.609
malcolm line which is i butchered but like it's

00:29:26.609 --> 00:29:29.750
a great line obviously um in cinema so i thought

00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:31.990
that was an interesting take and i also was somewhat

00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:35.650
impressed with i and i'm not no one has done

00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:39.910
this before but like with a blockbuster like

00:29:39.910 --> 00:29:44.289
this with an epic summer film based on a property

00:29:44.289 --> 00:29:47.859
that everybody knows coming out in a time where

00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:51.200
it's not easy to make for every movie to make

00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.400
a bunch of money at the box office like how much

00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.500
he was willing to i don't know let certain scenes

00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:03.200
breathe to let the film go for i know that's

00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.140
not rare to have long films but like he's doing

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:10.099
this in a way where it's just not it's not action

00:30:10.099 --> 00:30:12.440
every other second or joke every two minutes

00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.680
or whatever the case may be that a lot of other

00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.619
films franchise blockbusters have tried to rely

00:30:18.619 --> 00:30:20.660
on to keep the audience's attention and i was

00:30:20.660 --> 00:30:24.759
somewhat impressed that over a nearly what was

00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:29.519
this like almost a three -hour film that it does

00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.579
have moments where i can see it losing some audience

00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:35.240
but i appreciate the fact that it does let some

00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:37.140
stuff breathe and it has some long stretches

00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:39.920
of more like visual storytelling and some of

00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.839
that where it's not just exposition dump joke

00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.660
action sequence repeat you know all that kind

00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.539
of stuff what did you feel about the pacing and

00:30:47.539 --> 00:30:49.900
kind of like his ability to i guess trust the

00:30:49.900 --> 00:30:52.400
audience to like be along for the ride even though

00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:57.240
it's a long one you know what i think i think

00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.880
you you make a good point because it's a movie

00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.099
that was made for adults and wasn't afraid of

00:31:01.099 --> 00:31:06.650
that fact like it it didn't like have to you

00:31:06.650 --> 00:31:08.430
know, let's throw in some levity just for levity's

00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:09.970
sake, like you mentioned, or the community relief.

00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:15.089
It felt fitting. And I know it being nearly three

00:31:15.089 --> 00:31:17.809
hours or whatever it was, like I never felt bored.

00:31:17.930 --> 00:31:20.849
Like I never felt, I felt the structure of it

00:31:20.849 --> 00:31:25.170
kind of kept me intrigued and knowing that, okay,

00:31:25.269 --> 00:31:27.890
like it's, obviously you have an idea where the

00:31:27.890 --> 00:31:29.569
story is going. How do you keep people interested

00:31:29.569 --> 00:31:34.400
when they, in most cases, should have an understanding

00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.660
of like what this story is or have some idea

00:31:37.660 --> 00:31:40.960
or expectations and i thought of how it went

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.319
with with that story how it was struck again

00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.619
similar to like dunkirk how he loves to like

00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:50.500
start at one point and go to others like the

00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:53.900
the constant flipping back and forth and i do

00:31:53.900 --> 00:31:56.220
think he kind of expects people to have somewhat

00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.440
of a working knowledge of where the story originates

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.059
which could maybe a fault to it in a bit but

00:32:02.059 --> 00:32:05.299
i think if you came in completely blind knowing

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:08.460
nothing might lose it might be a bit confusing

00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:11.440
at first or it might feel like he's rushing certain

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.859
sequences because you're like or like giving

00:32:14.859 --> 00:32:18.079
you the cliff notes yeah yeah i don't know yeah

00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:23.259
i do if anything that was my my one i wish it

00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:25.220
would stay with scene sometimes longer like or

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:28.019
yeah like we get some glimpses of certain things

00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:30.759
like the like the giants with like i was like

00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.119
oh i would like to be within this was so impressive

00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.059
to see like i'd like to be within this moment

00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:39.519
more or see other elements of the stories or

00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:45.180
see more of of the of this world because it seemed

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:47.299
like you know we were like you said cliff notes

00:32:47.299 --> 00:32:50.940
is a good example of it so yeah i i think of

00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:52.900
like the whirlpool sequence like they kind of

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:54.640
set that up a little bit like you can go this

00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:55.720
way and it's going to be this you can go that

00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:56.720
way and it's going to be that and like there's

00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:57.960
going to be this big dramatic thing and i think

00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.200
they were onto the next thing after that like

00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.799
within five minutes yeah yeah it is so it is

00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.579
interesting where like the scenes within themselves

00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:08.380
tend to like take some time like the which i

00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:09.880
think may be the best one of the best scenes

00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.819
is the um cersei scene with the pigs and whatnot

00:33:12.819 --> 00:33:18.180
like that like i loved how like it it it like

00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:20.039
it took some time although i know with the actual

00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.380
story it's a lot longer yeah but it within the

00:33:24.380 --> 00:33:26.519
way it's structured the one downside is that

00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.980
we do we we do fly around so much it is trying

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:32.619
to like okay we have you know we have a lot of

00:33:32.619 --> 00:33:35.579
room to cover so we have to kind of go fast forward

00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:38.180
a bit so it kind of tried to have this has been

00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:41.900
like a good i hate to even say this but there

00:33:41.900 --> 00:33:43.759
was enough material in the odyssey that you could

00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:48.440
almost excuse this being like a trilogy yeah

00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.119
or you know what i mean like i hate the idea

00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:51.859
of that but like you think of like the lord of

00:33:51.859 --> 00:33:55.630
the rings right like yeah how much time they

00:33:55.630 --> 00:33:57.930
had to kind of develop each of those films like

00:33:57.930 --> 00:34:00.670
i'm not saying i wanted an odyssey trilogy but

00:34:00.670 --> 00:34:04.250
like you could have almost justified with the

00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:06.509
amount of material that there is that yeah or

00:34:06.509 --> 00:34:08.389
at least like a part one part two at least yeah

00:34:08.389 --> 00:34:11.510
which i'd rather this i'd rather like be leaving

00:34:11.510 --> 00:34:15.570
wanting more and rather than feel like i think

00:34:15.570 --> 00:34:19.340
it'd be hard to like within that sure like together

00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:21.579
together they would tell a complete story i think

00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:23.840
it'd be difficult for like part one to feel like

00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.079
you're watching a complete movie so yeah i if

00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.619
it's it's gonna be impossible no matter what

00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:33.619
you do because this is such an epic like it is

00:34:33.619 --> 00:34:39.820
the epic so i'd rather leave wanting more leave

00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:42.969
like okay well now i want to know more yeah I

00:34:42.969 --> 00:34:44.710
think that's a better feeling than like, okay,

00:34:44.750 --> 00:34:46.349
well now I have to come back and do this all

00:34:46.349 --> 00:34:48.710
over again. So that, and I think like some, some

00:34:48.710 --> 00:34:50.849
of us are like tired of that in a lot of ways,

00:34:50.869 --> 00:34:52.710
like not just the money grab, but like, does

00:34:52.710 --> 00:34:54.489
everything have to be a two -parter? Does everything

00:34:54.489 --> 00:34:56.110
have to be a trilogy? Does everything have to

00:34:56.110 --> 00:34:57.949
be like, exactly. You know, that type of thing.

00:34:57.969 --> 00:35:01.170
And I think for, for youngsters to like the youngsters,

00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:04.889
I'm talking, but like for the younger generations,

00:35:04.989 --> 00:35:08.969
I think this is enough to like, say like, Hey,

00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:11.210
watch this film and you may be interested in,

00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:14.809
in actually, reading the book or or something

00:35:14.809 --> 00:35:16.889
that's more in depth not necessarily i guess

00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:19.610
you may not read the entire epic but like you

00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:22.130
may be more inclined to like look into that material

00:35:22.130 --> 00:35:25.269
or just be like me and go back and watch troy

00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:26.730
which i feel like that's what a lot of people

00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:29.010
do that too that's that's one way to do it you

00:35:29.010 --> 00:35:30.769
know those that don't read you know no just kidding

00:35:30.769 --> 00:35:35.539
um so another thing that obviously nolan is somewhat

00:35:35.539 --> 00:35:39.500
known for is his filmmaking abilities and one

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:41.659
thing that this definitely brought to light similar

00:35:41.659 --> 00:35:44.300
to how we kind of talked about Project Hail Mary

00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:46.119
and maybe the combination of Project Hail Mary

00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.119
and the Odyssey both making a crap ton of money

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.380
this year will send a message but practical filmmaking

00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:57.880
versus CGI Dan massive practical sets real locations

00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.920
physical ships real environments camera tricks

00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.809
that make things Seemed like there's no possible

00:36:04.809 --> 00:36:07.190
way. That's actually being a real thing. That

00:36:07.190 --> 00:36:09.829
is filmed. What was your take as you watched

00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:11.929
it. And as you reflected afterwards. Of what

00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:15.489
you appreciated. Or what you thought of the filmmaking

00:36:15.489 --> 00:36:21.150
style. It was like. A breath of fresh air. I

00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:22.769
can't even think of the phrase. But it looked

00:36:22.769 --> 00:36:27.829
amazing. And to pull. We talked about movies

00:36:27.829 --> 00:36:30.309
that make you love movies. Jurassic Park is certainly

00:36:30.309 --> 00:36:34.119
there. And I think it also gets a. I think CGI

00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.340
gets a bad rap because people think CGI equals

00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:39.320
bad. It's like, no, bad CGI equals bad. And this

00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.820
movie has plenty of CGI in it. It does the Jurassic

00:36:42.820 --> 00:36:46.739
Park thing where in order for CGI to be at its

00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:50.599
best, you are able to mesh it with practical

00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.079
and digital. And I think that's what exactly

00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.920
this does. It uses classic camera tricks, like

00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.440
literally using little people. and giants to

00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.039
make that giant scene, but it's not like they

00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.860
don't use CGI to make things up a bit, but it's

00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:10.119
not all CGI. It's not like they're in the, you're

00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:11.639
telling me like the two headed thing wasn't,

00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:17.019
was not real. No, no. Uh, and it's not like you're

00:37:17.019 --> 00:37:21.800
watching people in the blue screen costumes in

00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.239
a blue screen background where it's like, this

00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.179
is basically just an animated film. So, uh, it

00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:31.539
was, it, everything had weight to it. The most

00:37:31.539 --> 00:37:34.219
famous sequence, of course, probably being the

00:37:34.219 --> 00:37:37.179
Cyclops sequence. There's clearly CGI being used

00:37:37.179 --> 00:37:40.099
there in multiple ways, but it feels like they're

00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:42.980
all in the same spot, and it does bring you back

00:37:42.980 --> 00:37:44.960
that, well, I wonder how they did that, which

00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.800
is that wonderful feeling that I feel like we

00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.699
get when we're watching some of these older films

00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:53.260
that we tend to talk about a lot, but I certainly

00:37:53.260 --> 00:37:55.880
had that here. What was your takeaway when it

00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.349
came to just the use of special effects? i mean

00:37:59.349 --> 00:38:02.809
i think this would be a fascinating film to watch

00:38:02.809 --> 00:38:04.630
a behind the scenes like documentary oh yeah

00:38:04.630 --> 00:38:07.309
or the special effect like the special effects

00:38:07.309 --> 00:38:09.949
the um special features on the dvd like from

00:38:09.949 --> 00:38:11.849
back in the day like this would be one that i

00:38:11.849 --> 00:38:13.250
would actually like a lot of times they have

00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:16.769
like whatever reels or or something like behind

00:38:16.769 --> 00:38:19.210
the scenes of some films and you're like i what

00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:21.550
what do i need to see the behind the scenes of

00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:23.349
this film for you know what i mean like this

00:38:23.349 --> 00:38:25.130
would be one where i would be like i'm actually

00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:28.090
like seeking this out like show me all the tricks

00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.159
show me how you did these things because even

00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:31.960
just a few of the things i've seen have just

00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:34.480
been like when i was watching it i had no idea

00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.340
and then like afterwards i'm like that is amazing

00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:40.039
and i didn't realize how amazing it was in the

00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.420
moment and now i'm like even more impressed with

00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:44.860
how they did that or whatever i think the guys

00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:47.340
on film spotting kind of said it the best when

00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:48.920
i listened to their review of this film and they

00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.400
said like you could basically smell the salt

00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.650
water Like you could, you could feel, you know,

00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:56.789
all of the stuff that was happening and it had

00:38:56.789 --> 00:38:58.050
a weight to it, like you were talking about.

00:38:58.150 --> 00:39:01.630
So I really appreciated it. Like you got to understand

00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:05.329
that doing a film like this, where we're going

00:39:05.329 --> 00:39:08.489
to be dealing with Cyclops and people being turned

00:39:08.489 --> 00:39:12.829
into animals and all of the different like giants

00:39:12.829 --> 00:39:15.849
and crazy, even the Trojan horse itself. Like

00:39:15.849 --> 00:39:17.010
you're going to be dealing with all of these

00:39:17.010 --> 00:39:20.909
things that if not done right, could look awful.

00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.039
like we we've seen it before right like we've

00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:25.599
seen it in different films you know like you

00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:31.440
said bad cgi is bad cgi but like it was a pretty

00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.199
tall order when you're tackling this to number

00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.159
one decide which moments in the odyssey you're

00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.269
going to cover right like that's step one is

00:39:41.269 --> 00:39:43.469
like what are we going to avoid altogether and

00:39:43.469 --> 00:39:45.750
what are we going to like focus on and i'll give

00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:47.070
them credit they didn't necessarily back away

00:39:47.070 --> 00:39:48.550
from some things that you would be like that's

00:39:48.550 --> 00:39:52.150
really going to be hard to pull off and i i just

00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:54.289
think they did a good there was never a moment

00:39:54.289 --> 00:39:57.809
where i was taken out of the film because of

00:39:57.809 --> 00:40:02.050
a visual so i i really appreciated that fact

00:40:02.050 --> 00:40:05.530
and you know it's a some of them may be different

00:40:05.530 --> 00:40:07.940
than what you're used like what you are used

00:40:07.940 --> 00:40:10.079
to with the story or what you like see in your

00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.340
head or think they're going to do. But I think

00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:16.579
they made it work for like, I don't, I can't

00:40:16.579 --> 00:40:20.059
recall a time where I was like, well, that one

00:40:20.059 --> 00:40:22.239
may not hold up. Like there's times before where

00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.780
you see other films and you're like, that looks

00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:27.440
okay now, but I think in 10 years, that's probably

00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:31.820
going to like reek of, of the time. Uh, I didn't

00:40:31.820 --> 00:40:33.739
get that with this film. So I was pretty impressed

00:40:33.739 --> 00:40:38.360
with the, like, the the filmmaking and the the

00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.260
way that they were able to craft this was i think

00:40:41.260 --> 00:40:43.519
um something that will probably be looked at

00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:48.019
by others to address how they make stuff in the

00:40:48.019 --> 00:40:49.860
future like i'm hoping this and project hill

00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:52.599
mary can send a message like that would be ideal

00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:56.440
yeah do better yeah i think i think it's the

00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.980
message ultimately is like you need it's a you

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:05.300
know it's a financially it's like well it's cheaper

00:41:05.300 --> 00:41:07.980
but i think when you spend the money you know

00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:09.659
you got to spend money to make money as they

00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:13.000
say i think you know project he'll marry which

00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.500
was expensive but not super expensive i think

00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:20.320
it showed that you can do that and it not be

00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.079
tied to a franchise or anything like that obviously

00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.019
a successful book but you know still that's not

00:41:26.019 --> 00:41:29.980
it's still something that is not like a franchise

00:41:29.980 --> 00:41:32.840
film or that with the odyssey of course the odyssey

00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.340
has the lineage and of course you know nolan

00:41:36.340 --> 00:41:38.800
himself is a franchise but again he got there

00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.860
because of making movies like this right so i

00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:44.960
mentioned that not taking it out of the film

00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.480
i didn't have a question did anything take you

00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:50.960
out of the film or in the sense of we haven't

00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.920
really talked about the actors or the performances

00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.900
yet so i was curious if any of any what were

00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:00.480
your thoughts on you know obviously matt damon

00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.260
we have the star -studded cast and like pretty

00:42:03.260 --> 00:42:06.519
much everyone's like an a -list star right but

00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.260
what were your thoughts on the performances so

00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:17.239
i am a sucker for matt damon like i like him

00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.659
in almost everything he does so yeah i don't

00:42:19.659 --> 00:42:22.380
know if i'm a good like critic of like whether

00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:26.760
he's doing good or not i feel like he captured

00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.460
the right elements of the character for me like

00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:33.820
he didn't come across as a superman he didn't

00:42:33.820 --> 00:42:38.820
come across as like this uh as much as he as

00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:44.039
having these poems and songs you know written

00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.059
about him and his life and stuff like that he

00:42:47.059 --> 00:42:49.860
i think his performance was able to like ground

00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:53.320
that somewhat and and make it more about the

00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.480
the real human behind the myth so to speak and

00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:57.739
i think that's one of the themes obviously they're

00:42:57.739 --> 00:42:59.340
covering in the film and kind of highlighted

00:42:59.340 --> 00:43:03.059
so i i appreciate matt damon and and he's one

00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:05.139
of those few actors like i can do no wrong in

00:43:05.139 --> 00:43:08.179
my book um i say that and someone's gonna like

00:43:08.179 --> 00:43:10.139
post like a crappy matt damon role i'll be like

00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:12.860
well i forgot about that one but um i i think

00:43:12.860 --> 00:43:17.159
he was good um i thought overall like obviously

00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.360
i know samantha morton and john leguizamo are

00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.019
getting like a ton of love and that is 100 warranted

00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:28.760
like searcy and I can't remember what the guy's

00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:35.420
name is, but the faithful servant slave of Odysseus,

00:43:35.460 --> 00:43:39.719
John Leguizamo, is amazing. I would have to go

00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.639
back through his filmography to see where I would

00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.260
rank this role. Number one, of course, is the

00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:49.199
clown from Spawn. This may be a close second.

00:43:49.460 --> 00:43:54.280
I don't know. Sorry, Luigi, Super Mario Brothers.

00:43:55.869 --> 00:43:58.949
i'm really thinking like this may be one of his

00:43:58.949 --> 00:44:01.690
best then oh yeah i mean he's done a good move

00:44:01.690 --> 00:44:04.050
i mean he's done yeah i actually think he's actually

00:44:04.050 --> 00:44:05.909
quite good in spawn despite that movie being

00:44:05.909 --> 00:44:08.530
awful but no he's done he's done some good stuff

00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:15.710
he was uh he was in summer of sam which so he's

00:44:15.710 --> 00:44:17.429
been in good stuff but i don't know if he's ever

00:44:17.429 --> 00:44:20.889
like and i've always been a fan of his like i

00:44:20.889 --> 00:44:24.280
guess like on this more of a subtle fan because

00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.880
it's like it's he doesn't always like jump off

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.280
the screen at you yeah as much as like here it

00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.199
was just like holy cow like he has reinvented

00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.380
himself yeah i had no idea he was i had no idea

00:44:36.380 --> 00:44:38.800
he was even in this like and i agree i think

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.139
in star -studded cast like his performance is

00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:45.199
up there as one of my favorites yeah as like

00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.010
the ones you mentioned uh charlize theron i liked

00:44:48.010 --> 00:44:49.909
i thought you know for a big name like i think

00:44:49.909 --> 00:44:51.769
she was able to do what was needed to do for

00:44:51.769 --> 00:44:56.050
the clip so character so i enjoyed that i do

00:44:56.050 --> 00:45:00.269
say i do want to say like i think john bernthal

00:45:00.269 --> 00:45:04.289
should look like he did in this film and all

00:45:04.289 --> 00:45:07.670
of his future films like he should just make

00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:11.469
that his permanent like screw the long hair go

00:45:11.469 --> 00:45:13.929
bald put whatever like tattoos or whatever else

00:45:13.929 --> 00:45:16.210
you had in this film like just be that guy from

00:45:16.210 --> 00:45:18.269
here on out no i appreciated john barrenthal

00:45:18.269 --> 00:45:22.150
um you know anne hathaway was good robert pattinson

00:45:22.150 --> 00:45:25.570
was good i will say he does have the one moment

00:45:25.570 --> 00:45:27.710
that may have taken me out of the film and i

00:45:27.710 --> 00:45:29.429
don't know if it was intentional or not maybe

00:45:29.429 --> 00:45:32.150
it was supposed to be hilarious but when he's

00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:34.409
calling out those weapons every time before they

00:45:34.409 --> 00:45:38.199
drop through the i was like This is ridiculous.

00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:41.539
He was doing it in such a way that I was laughing

00:45:41.539 --> 00:45:43.559
to a point where I'm like, I'm not sure if I'm

00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:44.719
supposed to be finding this as funny as this.

00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.699
I think you're supposed to find him cowardly

00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:50.480
in that moment for sure. The timing and the way

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.900
he did it was almost a comedy sketch piece. And

00:45:53.900 --> 00:45:56.800
I know Tom Holland is the one that's getting

00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:03.179
the most criticized in this film. I thought he

00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:06.960
did what he was supposed to do. Yeah. I think

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.380
Nolan cast him perfectly with the idea that he

00:46:09.380 --> 00:46:15.099
is going to come across as a little bit boyish

00:46:15.099 --> 00:46:19.340
and naive and inexperienced and all of those

00:46:19.340 --> 00:46:22.340
things that Tom Holland has done in other roles.

00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:25.239
So I think it was smart casting and I thought

00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.119
he did what he was supposed to do. I don't understand

00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.980
a hundred percent why he's getting the most,

00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.199
it seems like, um, criticized out of everybody,

00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:35.769
but. I thought he was good. Maybe I'm just a

00:46:35.769 --> 00:46:38.269
Tom Holland fan. I don't know. I think his, his,

00:46:38.289 --> 00:46:41.690
his part is tough because a lot of his acting

00:46:41.690 --> 00:46:45.869
is reacting. Like a lot of his role is reacting

00:46:45.869 --> 00:46:49.210
to the world around him. And from like, you know,

00:46:49.210 --> 00:46:51.849
all the suitors that were there for his mom to

00:46:51.849 --> 00:46:54.610
literally, I think his scenes with John Barenthal,

00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:57.210
I think he, if you go back and watch those, he

00:46:57.210 --> 00:46:59.710
obviously, when you focus on John Barenthal and

00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:03.210
like his presence and everything like that, uh,

00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.280
But I think what you see with Tom Holland, he's

00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.280
learning about his father. And I think you see

00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:16.679
a lot of his admiration begin to grow. He is

00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.179
in this challenging role where part of him is

00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:24.059
conflicted because he loves his dad or his memories

00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:26.429
of his dad. But at the same time, just... the

00:47:26.429 --> 00:47:29.469
concern of like his world falling apart i think

00:47:29.469 --> 00:47:32.110
it's a very hard role to play it's not very showy

00:47:32.110 --> 00:47:34.769
like he doesn't get that scene where he's like

00:47:34.769 --> 00:47:38.210
you know taking off you know becoming the hero

00:47:38.210 --> 00:47:41.869
per se so i i agree i think people seem really

00:47:41.869 --> 00:47:44.530
harsh on him and like i i don't think like he's

00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:48.110
the strength of this film but i i was never um

00:47:48.110 --> 00:47:51.250
distracted or felt like his character was an

00:47:51.250 --> 00:47:53.530
issue if like if anything was distracting it

00:47:53.530 --> 00:47:56.599
was just that there are so many stars it's like

00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:58.980
like charlie's there on shows up and it's like

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:01.559
everyone is like an a -list it's like it's hard

00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:04.699
to it there's so many big actors that it's hard

00:48:04.699 --> 00:48:07.880
to like forget that you're watching a movie because

00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.079
you're seeing the actor before you're seeing

00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:12.940
the performance yeah eventually i think with

00:48:12.940 --> 00:48:15.300
all of them i was able to get there for the most

00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:18.340
part but um i think like if anything that was

00:48:18.340 --> 00:48:20.960
like i don't know if you need charlie's there

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.760
aren't but at the same time it's like but you

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.809
know i agree but i think it was the right ones

00:48:26.809 --> 00:48:30.989
that could still like yes it's a lot of big names

00:48:30.989 --> 00:48:33.210
but it was like choosing the right big names

00:48:33.210 --> 00:48:37.690
that are not going to yeah you know i don't know

00:48:37.690 --> 00:48:40.710
what force something or not going to like like

00:48:40.710 --> 00:48:43.670
yes like why why charlie's their own but i was

00:48:43.670 --> 00:48:46.070
like but i felt like she did the role right right

00:48:46.070 --> 00:48:49.369
like it was like why uh john barenthal but like

00:48:49.659 --> 00:48:51.900
he did the role right right like i got a lot

00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.599
of that like i can get some people that are like

00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.500
you know why was zendaya in this movie and i

00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:59.000
can see that like for me i don't care put zendaya

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:00.619
in every movie and i'll be fine with it like

00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:03.719
i think she's a pretty good uh actress but like

00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.599
i could see that right but i felt like most of

00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.880
them like stayed within the confines of what

00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.159
their role was that's a valid point because they're

00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.940
stars but they're also all actors like there's

00:49:15.940 --> 00:49:19.440
no one here that doesn't Every one here has been

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.079
acclaimed for one reason or another, and rightfully

00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:26.280
so. I do feel like Charlize Theron, if anyone,

00:49:26.420 --> 00:49:30.860
didn't get as much. But that's also, again, her

00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:34.320
partially the role. But at the same time, we

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.760
don't get movies like this. You probably need

00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.780
someone where you trust and can have the weight

00:49:40.780 --> 00:49:43.980
that's needed. No one felt like they were just

00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:46.639
there because of their name. They all have...

00:49:46.940 --> 00:49:49.179
proven themselves actor wise even like someone

00:49:49.179 --> 00:49:51.880
like Travis Scott which I I know he's like comes

00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.920
from the world of music but I thought you know

00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.659
I didn't know that yeah so if you didn't know

00:49:56.659 --> 00:49:59.000
it I thought it worked like Himesh Patel I thought

00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.119
did a good job um as like the second in command

00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.079
he's another one where I felt like he was he

00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.460
had he was really he came out I know he was in

00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:11.260
Tenet as well yeah so he was really good in that

00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:13.360
I thought he was good in this and I did like

00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.500
you mentioned you're a huge Matt Damon fan Myself

00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:19.579
as well. I think we come from a generation of...

00:50:19.579 --> 00:50:22.559
The Bourne films are like... I love the Bourne

00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:26.079
films. But what I love about this is that I never

00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.039
felt like I was watching Jason Bourne. Maybe

00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.699
a little bit at the end with that final sequence.

00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:35.900
But he plays the character... Odysseus is this

00:50:35.900 --> 00:50:39.059
complex figure. He's heroic, but at the same

00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:43.199
time, he's selfish. He is regretful in this,

00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:45.360
of course. There's a lot of different... portions

00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.500
to him as a character he makes a lot of mistakes

00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:50.460
a lot of dumb mistakes at times um and i thought

00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:53.619
like he handled that well where he was able to

00:50:53.619 --> 00:50:56.139
i think it might be up there as one of his best

00:50:56.139 --> 00:50:58.340
performances i would not be shocked if like he

00:50:58.340 --> 00:50:59.860
gets an oscar nomination i don't know if he'll

00:50:59.860 --> 00:51:02.820
win you know we were way too early for that but

00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:07.400
i was a little if i was one of my concerns was

00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.579
like like is it just matt damon because of matt

00:51:09.579 --> 00:51:13.099
damon and as it ended i'm like oh no like he

00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:15.329
i thought he had did great with the performance

00:51:15.329 --> 00:51:18.110
yeah and apparently like just seeing some of

00:51:18.110 --> 00:51:21.469
the cast interaction too like it seemed like

00:51:21.469 --> 00:51:24.250
it was a cast that gelled really well together

00:51:24.250 --> 00:51:26.130
i know sometimes you have this many big names

00:51:26.130 --> 00:51:31.230
you expect there to be like maybe less uh kumbaya

00:51:31.230 --> 00:51:34.369
moments or whatever but like there was i saw

00:51:34.369 --> 00:51:37.269
an interview i think it was either zendaya or

00:51:37.269 --> 00:51:40.570
tom holland with like like talking to matt damon

00:51:40.570 --> 00:51:42.949
and like there was just like mutual respect from

00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:45.760
a generation of actors to a different generation

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.179
of actors and like appreciating the craft and

00:51:49.179 --> 00:51:51.360
the talent of everybody involved so it seemed

00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.420
like it was uh well orchestrated from that standpoint

00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:56.579
i also want to give a quick shout out because

00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:58.840
i thought he was incredible in this moment and

00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:00.559
i haven't heard anybody talk about him at all

00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.320
but and i know it's a super small moment but

00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:07.260
james remar as teresias the blind prophet in

00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:11.300
the underworld yeah like if that was not the

00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:15.710
most perfect casting ever he played that role

00:52:15.710 --> 00:52:21.130
perfect, I thought. I don't know. I want to almost

00:52:21.130 --> 00:52:24.469
watch it again just to focus in on his role there

00:52:24.469 --> 00:52:28.309
as he's kind of prophesying to Odysseus about

00:52:28.309 --> 00:52:31.349
what's going to happen. Again, this blind prophet,

00:52:31.610 --> 00:52:34.369
I thought was... He almost reminded me of one

00:52:34.369 --> 00:52:35.869
of the guys from Pirates of the Caribbean. I

00:52:35.869 --> 00:52:39.559
can't remember which one. I thought that was

00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:41.739
a neat little role as well. Anybody that we didn't

00:52:41.739 --> 00:52:42.820
get to talk about that you wanted to highlight

00:52:42.820 --> 00:52:46.539
from a cast standpoint? I feel like I should

00:52:46.539 --> 00:52:48.019
also mention Anne Hathaway because I thought

00:52:48.019 --> 00:52:51.139
she was phenomenal too. I mentioned how there

00:52:51.139 --> 00:52:54.400
wasn't as much emotion within it, but when we

00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.940
got to finally see her and Odysseus come together,

00:52:58.099 --> 00:53:00.380
she held her own. I thought she had some of the

00:53:00.380 --> 00:53:04.400
best scenes within this. Again, not an easy part,

00:53:04.539 --> 00:53:07.500
but I think she's just wonderful. And I feel

00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:09.650
like... and hathaway can be one of those people

00:53:09.650 --> 00:53:11.809
people love to hate because she's a bit like

00:53:11.809 --> 00:53:14.489
she takes herself very seriously and things like

00:53:14.489 --> 00:53:17.190
that but you know i think in this you see why

00:53:17.190 --> 00:53:18.750
because she's really good at what she does so

00:53:18.750 --> 00:53:21.269
and i think that's probably what they all it

00:53:21.269 --> 00:53:23.429
seemed like actors who realized the rarity of

00:53:23.429 --> 00:53:27.349
what they were doing and that appreciation i

00:53:27.349 --> 00:53:29.789
think helped i don't know if this is from the

00:53:29.789 --> 00:53:32.170
outside and you know looking from the outside

00:53:32.170 --> 00:53:35.570
in but it seemed to certainly go a long way so

00:53:35.570 --> 00:53:37.329
i just had a couple other questions i wanted

00:53:37.329 --> 00:53:39.070
to throw by you i know we kind of talked a little

00:53:39.070 --> 00:53:40.710
bit about the practical effects and things of

00:53:40.710 --> 00:53:43.550
that nature but i'm curious now obviously they

00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:45.369
had to pick and choose like some of the sequences

00:53:45.369 --> 00:53:47.230
that they were going to try to depict and whatnot

00:53:47.230 --> 00:53:48.989
and which ones they were going to spend some

00:53:48.989 --> 00:53:51.090
time with and and we got a bunch of these big

00:53:51.090 --> 00:53:55.210
sequences or big set pieces or obstacles and

00:53:55.210 --> 00:53:57.289
i was wondering you know as we go through them

00:53:57.289 --> 00:53:59.510
so you have like the trojan horse aspect right

00:53:59.510 --> 00:54:04.019
you have the the cyclops meeting you have the

00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:06.820
sirens you have circe you have sylla and the

00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:09.420
whirlpool you have this visit to the underworld

00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:12.920
you have the various you know giant sequences

00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:14.739
you had a couple different ones like that you

00:54:14.739 --> 00:54:17.300
have the return to ithaca in that final confrontation

00:54:17.300 --> 00:54:20.159
like was there a set piece or a sequence that

00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.980
just like really blew you away or what were some

00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:25.179
of your like favorites and was there any of those

00:54:25.179 --> 00:54:27.519
sequences that maybe didn't quite work as well

00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.500
for you No, I don't think there's any sequences

00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:33.820
that didn't necessarily work as well I mean the

00:54:33.820 --> 00:54:35.460
the pig sequence is probably the one that stands

00:54:35.460 --> 00:54:38.940
out the most but then the final action set piece

00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:40.519
like it's you know something we building towards

00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:46.960
and it felt like Rightfully epic if there's anything

00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.900
that like maybe hurt it a bit was because it

00:54:49.900 --> 00:54:52.559
you can tell what you know the this was all an

00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.900
IMAX and like obviously with those cameras there's

00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:57.139
like there's challenges in the sense of like

00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.179
how you can move them and it felt a bit claustrophobic

00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:02.639
but at the same time i feel like that was certainly

00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.420
purposeful because that's where the way you wanted

00:55:04.420 --> 00:55:07.960
to feel but i thought it was certainly a standout

00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.639
sequence and then the other sequence just being

00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.500
the the cyclops sequence with just the meshing

00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:19.460
of practical and and um and cgi so those were

00:55:19.460 --> 00:55:23.000
i think those nothing ever felt like it wasn't

00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.449
you know everything you the money was on the

00:55:26.449 --> 00:55:29.230
screen and when we finally get to that moment

00:55:29.230 --> 00:55:31.889
of the detroit you know the trojan horse and

00:55:31.889 --> 00:55:35.210
if anything i wouldn't even want to mind a little

00:55:35.210 --> 00:55:37.869
bit more within that but at the same time i think

00:55:37.869 --> 00:55:41.449
the point there was just to see it how it impacted

00:55:41.449 --> 00:55:45.650
odysseus and i think that that ended up working

00:55:45.650 --> 00:55:48.750
well how about yourself i mean i think i agree

00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:50.449
with probably those two like the trojan horse

00:55:50.449 --> 00:55:52.840
sequence is interesting right like I guess they

00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:54.320
added some elements that I had never, I don't

00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.099
know if it was in the poem from when, whatever,

00:55:57.300 --> 00:56:01.179
27 years ago when I, when I covered that in high

00:56:01.179 --> 00:56:03.280
school, whether it was on the beach and people

00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:04.760
were drowning inside the horse. I don't know

00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.460
if some of that was just a Nolan, you know, interpretation

00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:10.980
or stuff like that. But I thought that was interesting

00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:12.960
to see on that scale, like the way they did that.

00:56:13.019 --> 00:56:16.559
But I think the, the Cyclops and CRC sequences

00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.909
were, were the ones that I think were the. kind

00:56:19.909 --> 00:56:22.070
of the the meat and potatoes of like really showing

00:56:22.070 --> 00:56:23.929
what they could do with this i think there were

00:56:23.929 --> 00:56:25.889
some cool elements of some of those other sequences

00:56:25.889 --> 00:56:27.670
like when they're showing the giants and the

00:56:27.670 --> 00:56:29.809
small you know compared to like normal people

00:56:29.809 --> 00:56:32.130
and and things of that nature were interesting

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:34.429
i thought the underworld was well done but i

00:56:34.429 --> 00:56:36.289
thought they all were handled in a good way but

00:56:36.289 --> 00:56:38.269
i think yeah it's easy to go to those two the

00:56:38.269 --> 00:56:40.929
cyclops and circe the other one we're seeing

00:56:40.929 --> 00:56:44.409
is a good call out because that that was that

00:56:44.409 --> 00:56:47.670
looked like it's hard to like go back to in the

00:56:47.670 --> 00:56:50.199
sense of because it was so eerie and creepy but

00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.099
in a good way so that's a good point you make

00:56:52.099 --> 00:56:56.599
a yeah i i agree with that and i was also wondering

00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.340
like this is one this had nothing to do with

00:56:59.340 --> 00:57:01.699
listening to another podcast or doing any research

00:57:01.699 --> 00:57:05.139
or anything this was like the the thought in

00:57:05.139 --> 00:57:08.300
my head as i left the theater was around this

00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:11.059
like i'm walking out of the theater and and in

00:57:11.059 --> 00:57:17.619
my head i'm thinking to myself when was the last

00:57:20.309 --> 00:57:26.389
not part of a like non -franchise epic film of

00:57:26.389 --> 00:57:29.750
this nature that worked as well as this one did

00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:32.010
and i was trying to like rack my brain in the

00:57:32.010 --> 00:57:35.650
car coming home like take out all the comic book

00:57:35.650 --> 00:57:37.230
that you can't use one of the avengers movies

00:57:37.230 --> 00:57:40.130
right like planet of the apes is a franchise

00:57:40.130 --> 00:57:42.389
so you can't count planet of the apes and you

00:57:42.389 --> 00:57:44.030
can't count dune because that's part of a franchise

00:57:44.030 --> 00:57:45.670
so those are some of the other ones that i like

00:57:45.670 --> 00:57:48.019
thought of but i'm like how far back do we, and

00:57:48.019 --> 00:57:49.639
I know this is based on something else, like,

00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:52.239
but it's not a franchise. It's not film five.

00:57:52.300 --> 00:57:53.940
That's been led up to, you know, through four

00:57:53.940 --> 00:57:55.900
other films and things of that nature. So, you

00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:58.960
know, it doesn't have the advantage of something

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.440
like, you know, the, the, um, the third Lord

00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:04.219
of the Rings film where you've had that buildup

00:58:04.219 --> 00:58:06.559
or whatever. I was like, when was the last time

00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.320
that we just got something that was a standalone

00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.440
epic or fantasy film that like worked as well

00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.619
as this one did. And maybe you'll have some that

00:58:15.619 --> 00:58:17.940
you can think of. that i didn't think of but

00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:21.820
i almost had to go back to the year what was

00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:24.380
it 2000 with or when did the gladiator come out

00:58:24.380 --> 00:58:29.599
2000 2000 like has it been 25 years since we've

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.159
gotten like a standalone epic of this type of

00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:35.739
nature that worked just by itself to this level

00:58:35.739 --> 00:58:39.960
or what's your take on that i mean yeah it's

00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.599
without franchise you know obviously you think

00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.199
of like lord of the rings but of course that's

00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:48.409
like a franchise i mean It's hard to say because

00:58:48.409 --> 00:58:51.690
there's movies I'm thinking of like... What was

00:58:51.690 --> 00:58:56.429
the... Guillermo del Toro fantasy adventure that

00:58:56.429 --> 00:59:00.269
was... I can't think of the name. Not the movie

00:59:00.269 --> 00:59:01.570
that kind of put him on the map, but I can't

00:59:01.570 --> 00:59:02.789
think of the name of it. But again, it wasn't

00:59:02.789 --> 00:59:05.789
like huge scale. I mean, the first Pirates film,

00:59:05.889 --> 00:59:08.409
that eventually became a franchise, but when

00:59:08.409 --> 00:59:13.110
it was a standalone, that was... I wouldn't say

00:59:13.110 --> 00:59:15.630
it's nearly as good as this, but that was...

00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.139
good example of like a an epic type film that

00:59:20.139 --> 00:59:23.619
had those elements oh man i can't pan's lab when

00:59:23.619 --> 00:59:26.940
some of you are thinking of okay gotcha um which

00:59:26.940 --> 00:59:29.380
isn't it's not like it has it's not like it has

00:59:29.380 --> 00:59:32.039
massive set pieces it just has crazy creatures

00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.739
i don't know i can't really think it really had

00:59:35.739 --> 00:59:38.019
me thinking like i i think i would put gladiator

00:59:38.019 --> 00:59:39.760
in that camp because i think gladiator when it

00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.750
came out was just like regardless of how anybody

00:59:42.750 --> 00:59:44.570
feels about it now or this any other i know there's

00:59:44.570 --> 00:59:45.829
been a sequel so i guess you could call it a

00:59:45.829 --> 00:59:47.349
franchise but that i don't think that counts

00:59:47.349 --> 00:59:49.369
the same it wasn't like a series that led up

00:59:49.369 --> 00:59:52.750
to like something bigger but like i thought about

00:59:52.750 --> 00:59:54.090
that one and i was just like really trying to

00:59:54.090 --> 00:59:55.750
wreck my brain and i was like because at first

00:59:55.750 --> 00:59:58.329
i was even including franchise stuff i was like

00:59:58.329 --> 01:00:02.809
i feel like you have to go back to like the the

01:00:02.809 --> 01:00:04.769
more modern planet of the apes even if you or

01:00:04.769 --> 01:00:07.030
or i guess you could count dune from you know

01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:11.130
the last few years like Dune and planet the modern

01:00:11.130 --> 01:00:13.130
Planet of the Apes films are those the closest

01:00:13.130 --> 01:00:15.030
franchise ones? We've gotten in the recent time

01:00:15.030 --> 01:00:16.389
periods that you would like put on that same

01:00:16.389 --> 01:00:19.130
level We're just thinking like epics like fantasy.

01:00:19.210 --> 01:00:22.670
It's like sort of sort of like just in somewhere

01:00:22.670 --> 01:00:25.929
in that fantasy realm We're like fantasy like

01:00:25.929 --> 01:00:29.230
so everywhere everything everywhere at once one

01:00:29.230 --> 01:00:30.670
account, right? Cuz I thought really it's more

01:00:30.670 --> 01:00:34.639
like science It's an interesting, it's an interesting

01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.559
thing to think about because that was where I

01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.400
was, I was getting this, like, you know, kind

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:39.679
of like back in the day, right? Like you had

01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:41.579
Ben -Hur and you had like Lawrence of Arabia

01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:44.000
or Spartacus or something like that. I was like,

01:00:44.019 --> 01:00:47.000
is this like our modern version of something

01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.139
like that? Where it's like, you know, Gladiator

01:00:49.139 --> 01:00:51.300
and the Odyssey and like a couple of things like

01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:53.280
that. Like, I do think, you know, from a scale

01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:54.820
standpoint, the Planet of the Apes films and

01:00:54.820 --> 01:00:56.860
from a quality standpoint, like what we've been

01:00:56.860 --> 01:00:59.440
getting with the Dune films is kind of close

01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.320
to that. But again, I guess it depends if you're.

01:01:01.789 --> 01:01:03.849
if you bring in franchises or not, but I think

01:01:03.849 --> 01:01:06.070
it's an unfair advantage when you do have like

01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:10.130
some films that are able to make some of them

01:01:10.130 --> 01:01:13.449
more than they are based on like, like, that's

01:01:13.449 --> 01:01:14.750
what I think of when I think of Avengers, right?

01:01:14.789 --> 01:01:17.750
Like that took eight films to build up to it

01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:19.090
or however many, you know what I mean? Like,

01:01:19.090 --> 01:01:22.530
not that that isn't still worthy, but like, it

01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:24.230
was interesting, like coming out of the theater

01:01:24.230 --> 01:01:26.250
thinking like, this is like a blockbuster that

01:01:26.250 --> 01:01:29.429
I don't think we've seen in quite a while. like

01:01:29.429 --> 01:01:30.849
i'm not saying it's like the end all be all i'm

01:01:30.849 --> 01:01:32.150
not saying it's going to be like my number one

01:01:32.150 --> 01:01:33.630
best film of the year the best film of the decade

01:01:33.630 --> 01:01:35.650
but like i had that feel of like scratching that

01:01:35.650 --> 01:01:39.170
itch of just this epic fantasy like i couldn't

01:01:39.170 --> 01:01:41.110
put a finger on when the last time i had that

01:01:41.110 --> 01:01:43.809
feeling was coming out of the theater yeah i

01:01:43.809 --> 01:01:45.570
mean there's certainly been films not within

01:01:45.570 --> 01:01:47.590
this genre like i'm thinking of like gravity

01:01:47.590 --> 01:01:49.769
for example that was like oh that was just pure

01:01:49.769 --> 01:01:53.150
spectacle or even captain phillips uh that was

01:01:53.150 --> 01:01:55.289
just like very suspenseful that that come to

01:01:55.289 --> 01:01:59.519
mind But yeah, an adventure like this, we had

01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:05.480
Gladiator 2, but no. So I think the Dune movies

01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.659
is what would come to mind. I do really love

01:02:07.659 --> 01:02:11.139
those, but again, that's another franchise per

01:02:11.139 --> 01:02:13.880
se, so it's been a while since we've gotten something

01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.619
like this. Unless you want to say, again, if

01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:18.800
we want to expand genres, and we can say a few

01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:22.679
months ago with Project Kilmary, but that's more

01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:24.239
science fiction. I think the first Pirates movie

01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:27.239
is a good... probably a good comp i know it turns

01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:28.800
into a franchise but if you just take the first

01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.539
movie of a franchise by itself like i think you

01:02:31.539 --> 01:02:33.199
could get that that's why i was like would not

01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:35.059
count the avengers and like what was iron man

01:02:35.059 --> 01:02:38.900
the first movie of that series like yeah i don't

01:02:38.900 --> 01:02:41.340
know if it quite hits the same as what we're

01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:43.119
talking about so like it's definitely an interesting

01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:46.000
thing to kind of like definitely because basically

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.539
the superhero film is kind of over the civic

01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:51.480
rim like it's it's it's got the spectacle but

01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.239
i don't know it has the quality like yeah i mean

01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:56.159
that's like a fun adventure and then there's

01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.760
like you know smaller scale things like godzilla

01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.900
year one or minus one forget the exact name i

01:03:02.900 --> 01:03:04.340
always get the year i think year one because

01:03:04.340 --> 01:03:06.559
the comic books but that's not it right um so

01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.119
it's a good question either i couldn't glad eater's

01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.159
a good call but i don't know if there's something

01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:13.659
in between right that because it's hard to get

01:03:13.659 --> 01:03:16.260
films like this in general and then if they are

01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.400
successful it's hard you know We're probably

01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.980
going to get another one. We're going to get

01:03:20.980 --> 01:03:25.840
the Odyssey 2. No, just kidding. I was also curious.

01:03:26.139 --> 01:03:29.260
I don't want to get into the nonsense around

01:03:29.260 --> 01:03:34.880
this 100%, but I am curious. What's your take

01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:42.219
on adaptations? How much leeway do you give somebody

01:03:42.219 --> 01:03:46.539
who's adapting a fictional thing? No matter what

01:03:46.539 --> 01:03:49.690
you're adapting, My thought is, unless you're

01:03:49.690 --> 01:03:51.849
trying to do a documentary or you're trying to

01:03:51.849 --> 01:03:55.869
say you're being accurate, just be good. You

01:03:55.869 --> 01:03:59.170
can change whatever. That's always been my personal

01:03:59.170 --> 01:04:01.670
opinion. You can change, adjust, do whatever

01:04:01.670 --> 01:04:04.389
you want. As long as it's good, I don't care.

01:04:06.070 --> 01:04:07.869
That's always been my opinion. I feel like people

01:04:07.869 --> 01:04:11.090
care about source material only when they care

01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:13.530
about source material. I guarantee you there's

01:04:13.530 --> 01:04:15.309
movies that you love. Everyone loves certain

01:04:15.309 --> 01:04:18.809
movies. maybe like no one complains about die

01:04:18.809 --> 01:04:20.650
hard not being like the book it's based upon

01:04:20.650 --> 01:04:24.010
or gets a story from uh but you know people like

01:04:24.010 --> 01:04:26.829
jurassic park we both love jurassic park it changes

01:04:26.829 --> 01:04:29.889
a lot about the the original film of the book

01:04:29.889 --> 01:04:34.809
uh so my interpretation is just be good i don't

01:04:34.809 --> 01:04:37.130
care what you change or adjust as long as you're

01:04:37.130 --> 01:04:39.980
not trying to as long as you're not trying to

01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:42.400
build yourself as an accurate adaptation or like

01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.639
i mentioned be like a documentary that is trying

01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.380
to be telling the real story then i don't really

01:04:47.380 --> 01:04:50.179
it's not you know newsflash it's not based on

01:04:50.179 --> 01:04:54.219
a real story like a real event like no no no

01:04:54.219 --> 01:04:56.300
yeah i'm just saying when like if it was like

01:04:56.300 --> 01:05:00.059
an actual documentary you know right once you

01:05:00.059 --> 01:05:01.980
say based on a true even though based on a true

01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:03.980
story like i know it's not true i don't it's

01:05:03.980 --> 01:05:06.780
fine if they change whatever it, but as, as long

01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:08.420
as they don't then go like, Hey, this is what

01:05:08.420 --> 01:05:13.139
really happened or whatever. But I don't care.

01:05:13.179 --> 01:05:14.679
How about your software? I know, I know, you

01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:16.320
know, we've had, we mentioned our experience

01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:19.340
with it. Did you care about any adjustments or

01:05:19.340 --> 01:05:21.960
changes or how do you, when it comes to source

01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.840
material, you really care about like, what's

01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.539
your thought process? Like, especially when you're

01:05:27.539 --> 01:05:31.500
adapting a fictional thing, like it's not like

01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:35.679
you're, The historian and the history major in

01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.679
me does at times have a little bit of hesitation

01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:43.380
when you're going to tell a story that is based

01:05:43.380 --> 01:05:49.880
on or is a depiction of a real event that is

01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:54.139
then going to be understood as the real event

01:05:54.139 --> 01:05:59.019
in a way. I don't know. People think the Patriots

01:05:59.019 --> 01:06:02.300
is a real story. Like the animated Pocahontas.

01:06:02.670 --> 01:06:05.650
like oh yeah yeah if we do it that way and then

01:06:05.650 --> 01:06:07.670
everybody just actually thinks that that's real

01:06:07.670 --> 01:06:10.010
and that's how things happened like i think there

01:06:10.010 --> 01:06:14.269
is some like internal pushback i have a little

01:06:14.269 --> 01:06:16.489
bit with that like let's not trick people into

01:06:16.489 --> 01:06:18.969
thinking something is real that's not but like

01:06:18.969 --> 01:06:21.329
especially when it comes to a fictional story

01:06:21.329 --> 01:06:27.170
or a universe like it's it's like i don't care

01:06:27.170 --> 01:06:30.690
like you do what you want to do to make it work

01:06:30.690 --> 01:06:33.590
for whatever whether it's making it work for

01:06:33.590 --> 01:06:38.690
a moderate audience whether it's just um directionally

01:06:38.690 --> 01:06:42.809
like making it tell a theme or a make a point

01:06:42.809 --> 01:06:46.269
that you're trying to make like i think all of

01:06:46.269 --> 01:06:49.130
that stuff is is like totally fair game and do

01:06:49.130 --> 01:06:54.090
what you will for it like what was the like all

01:06:54.090 --> 01:06:56.650
of the critiques of like what was it the little

01:06:56.650 --> 01:07:00.690
mermaid or or whatever disney character that

01:07:00.690 --> 01:07:03.329
was like hey this is the wrong hair color or

01:07:03.329 --> 01:07:05.670
this is the wrong race it was it was yeah i mean

01:07:05.670 --> 01:07:08.510
that was with the one where like the the original

01:07:08.510 --> 01:07:11.010
story like the things like the character is green

01:07:11.010 --> 01:07:13.570
like or or whatever you know what i mean like

01:07:13.570 --> 01:07:15.809
it's like mermaids don't actually exist you know

01:07:15.809 --> 01:07:18.329
right it's like it that we're getting so stuck

01:07:18.329 --> 01:07:21.269
up on it's not faithful to the version that we

01:07:21.269 --> 01:07:23.429
grew up with when that's not even faithful to

01:07:23.429 --> 01:07:25.469
the original like what are we doing here like

01:07:25.469 --> 01:07:29.400
that stuff drives me bananas i will say I have

01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:35.179
at times had some internal, like just personal

01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:39.019
preference when the change seems like a change

01:07:39.019 --> 01:07:44.079
for changes sake. Yeah. Versus like, there's

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.179
a reason based on the story or the character

01:07:46.179 --> 01:07:48.840
or the development of something. And it was like,

01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:51.559
Oh, I mean, I don't know why we did that, but

01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:53.300
like, it's fine that you did it. It's fictional,

01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:55.000
like do whatever you want. But sometimes there

01:07:55.000 --> 01:08:00.590
is like, I would like, to understand why but

01:08:00.590 --> 01:08:02.230
like it's not something that would like make

01:08:02.230 --> 01:08:04.210
or break the film for me and it's just that's

01:08:04.210 --> 01:08:07.889
just simple like i don't know like changing the

01:08:07.889 --> 01:08:09.590
backstory of a character that i've already known

01:08:09.590 --> 01:08:11.869
from another adaptation and that's like okay

01:08:11.869 --> 01:08:14.070
did we just do it to do it or it's because it

01:08:14.070 --> 01:08:18.210
like helped tell another story like no i get

01:08:18.210 --> 01:08:20.529
that like in the sense of this is you know being

01:08:20.529 --> 01:08:23.989
a comic book fan i don't mind if you change it

01:08:23.989 --> 01:08:26.829
but just understand then what that means when

01:08:26.829 --> 01:08:30.550
you change it like right there i think this is

01:08:30.550 --> 01:08:33.170
a completely off topic but zach snyder for example

01:08:33.170 --> 01:08:37.170
he loves it to take his characters and put them

01:08:37.170 --> 01:08:39.750
in other people's stories in the sense of like

01:08:39.750 --> 01:08:42.289
he'll change elements of characters like batman

01:08:42.289 --> 01:08:46.970
and superman but then try to then take his versions

01:08:46.970 --> 01:08:49.789
and force them into stories where they're where

01:08:49.789 --> 01:08:52.250
they don't fit because he's just taking the story

01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:55.189
of a frank miller or someone else and not fully

01:08:55.189 --> 01:08:56.949
understanding when you change this element of

01:08:56.949 --> 01:08:59.529
the character then what does that actually do

01:08:59.529 --> 01:09:03.069
and right so that's like that's where i had i

01:09:03.069 --> 01:09:04.710
do have an issue with like when you don't understand

01:09:04.710 --> 01:09:06.409
the changes that you're making right like you

01:09:06.409 --> 01:09:08.949
said change for change sake that that's where

01:09:08.949 --> 01:09:10.609
i ultimately say if you're going to change it

01:09:10.609 --> 01:09:12.510
change it just make it good that's like that's

01:09:12.510 --> 01:09:14.510
my and there's a difference between changing

01:09:14.510 --> 01:09:17.149
somebody's like backstory or Or you know a pivotal

01:09:17.149 --> 01:09:19.470
point to their character development. And changing

01:09:19.470 --> 01:09:22.369
somebody's hair color. Yeah. They're two different

01:09:22.369 --> 01:09:26.470
things. So yeah. I didn't have a question for

01:09:26.470 --> 01:09:31.430
you. Okay. You brought up a good point about

01:09:31.430 --> 01:09:34.770
when's the last time. This happened. And then

01:09:34.770 --> 01:09:37.289
the kind of flip side of this. Thinking of could

01:09:37.289 --> 01:09:39.750
it ever happen again. And I heard going into

01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:41.989
this. A lot of people were. Only Christopher

01:09:41.989 --> 01:09:45.210
Nolan could make a movie like this. And probably

01:09:45.210 --> 01:09:49.250
as of right now, that's probably the case. But

01:09:49.250 --> 01:09:52.850
say 10 years from now, 15 years from now, whatever,

01:09:53.050 --> 01:09:55.630
do you think there are any directors on their

01:09:55.630 --> 01:09:59.569
way of being able to not make The Odyssey, but

01:09:59.569 --> 01:10:02.529
to do their version of this? Someone who maybe

01:10:02.529 --> 01:10:05.069
will be like, oh, this is this director, and

01:10:05.069 --> 01:10:06.829
only they can make a movie like this because

01:10:06.829 --> 01:10:09.569
of their proven success. Do you think we'll basically

01:10:09.569 --> 01:10:14.069
get... ever see a director with the power of

01:10:14.069 --> 01:10:16.770
a christopher nolan again or anyone currently

01:10:16.770 --> 01:10:19.569
going today that you think is on that trajectory

01:10:19.569 --> 01:10:23.350
in any way i know that's a big question to ask

01:10:23.350 --> 01:10:27.350
i guess he's not he's older than christopher

01:10:27.350 --> 01:10:29.569
nolan so i don't think i can i can go there um

01:10:29.569 --> 01:10:32.449
i was gonna say like i have a hundred percent

01:10:32.449 --> 01:10:36.229
faith in matt reeves of handling yeah something

01:10:36.229 --> 01:10:38.350
of this like he did don of the planet of the

01:10:38.350 --> 01:10:39.869
apes he did war for the planet of the apes you

01:10:39.869 --> 01:10:42.359
know he's I feel like his work with the Batman,

01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:45.760
you know, was, was, uh, high quality. Like I

01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:47.500
could see him handling stuff like that, but he's

01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:48.880
older than Christopher Nolan is. So I guess like,

01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:50.779
that's not somebody that like I can project,

01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:54.159
you know, forward 15, 20 years, but man, I don't

01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.220
know if I have someone like on like a specific

01:10:56.220 --> 01:10:58.880
director in mind. Do I think that it can happen?

01:10:58.939 --> 01:11:04.739
I think the more that we develop the, the skills

01:11:04.739 --> 01:11:10.180
to do not a hundred, like, we got to this point

01:11:10.180 --> 01:11:13.220
where it was like hey we have cg and not and

01:11:13.220 --> 01:11:16.340
i agree with you all cg isn't bad but there was

01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:19.260
a point where we like we have the cg technology

01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:21.239
and now we can do things that we've never been

01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.279
able to do before like we can we can tell stories

01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:25.899
that we've been afraid to tell before because

01:11:25.899 --> 01:11:28.000
we knew it was going to look like booty right

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:36.399
um and i i think they're is a point there as

01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.619
technology continues to expand and develop and

01:11:39.619 --> 01:11:42.479
stuff like that that we still have other things

01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:44.739
where it's like yes we could do it before because

01:11:44.739 --> 01:11:48.939
we had cg but now we have even something greater

01:11:48.939 --> 01:11:51.020
than that whether it's better than cg whether

01:11:51.020 --> 01:11:53.039
it's a mix of practical things whether we develop

01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:55.439
other skills like i feel like that's always going

01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:57.500
to continue to evolve so i think it opens doors

01:11:57.500 --> 01:12:00.000
for telling stories that may have not been told

01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.119
before because of fear or because of capabilities

01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.300
or whatever the case might be i don't know what

01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:06.180
that story is i don't doesn't even have to be

01:12:06.180 --> 01:12:07.819
necessarily based on a story that already exists

01:12:07.819 --> 01:12:10.380
it could be you know something completely you

01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:13.500
know new and and uh not tied to anything but

01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.220
Um, so I think that we could definitely see that.

01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:17.760
I don't think it's going to be something where

01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.319
we see something like that, you know, every year

01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:23.739
or every couple of years, like, is it going to

01:12:23.739 --> 01:12:26.039
be 25 years between that's how long it's been

01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:29.279
from gladiator to the odyssey? Is it going to

01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.920
be 2050 before we see something like that? I

01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:34.760
don't think it'll take that long. I, I think

01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.640
it can happen more frequently maybe than we might

01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.600
think at first, but. I don't know. I'm hoping

01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.079
that the combination of technology and practical

01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:45.899
effects will continue to evolve to the point

01:12:45.899 --> 01:12:48.220
where people can take on stuff that feels like

01:12:48.220 --> 01:12:51.380
this in the future, maybe more frequently than

01:12:51.380 --> 01:12:54.340
that we have seen in the past. Great answer.

01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:56.539
I think that you bring up a lot of good points.

01:12:56.619 --> 01:12:59.279
I did have some people that I think that come

01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:02.060
to mind. So let me run them by you and see what

01:13:02.060 --> 01:13:04.260
you think. The first person that came to mind,

01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:07.000
who I think has almost a similar trajectory as

01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.340
Ryan Coogler. I said the name already, Christopher

01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:14.939
Nolan. Because Ryan Coogler, like with Nolan,

01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:17.739
who had his first film being Following, that

01:13:17.739 --> 01:13:20.079
was kind of a small independent film. That was

01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.300
Ryan Coogler with Preview Station, which was,

01:13:22.340 --> 01:13:23.899
I guess, a little bit bigger, but it was more

01:13:23.899 --> 01:13:26.560
of a personal story. Then he gets into the franchises

01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:29.340
with Black Panther, similar to Nolan with the

01:13:29.340 --> 01:13:32.760
Batman movies. Then he has his big standout hit

01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.659
with Sinners, and you could say that maybe with

01:13:34.659 --> 01:13:37.800
Nolan. whatever maybe prestige or whatever film

01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:42.039
you want to say. So I do. And he has also done

01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.680
some things with the industry, like his working

01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:48.199
to get the rights of sinners back after so long

01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.960
and things like that. So I think Ryan Coogler

01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.699
is one that comes to mind as someone that he's

01:13:53.699 --> 01:13:56.180
on. He's not maybe there yet, but potentially

01:13:56.180 --> 01:13:59.640
could be. So that was one that came to mind.

01:14:00.340 --> 01:14:03.640
That's a great answer. Another one too. And.

01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:05.840
She has another movie coming out, I guess, next

01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.500
year because it got pushed back, would be Greta

01:14:08.500 --> 01:14:11.560
Gerwig. Of course, the Nolan's correspondent

01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:15.579
with Barbie Heimer. Obviously, you know, Barbie

01:14:15.579 --> 01:14:19.239
was super successful. I don't know how Lady Bird

01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:21.060
and Little Women, they weren't like gigantic.

01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:24.060
So it may be too much. But, you know, we know

01:14:24.060 --> 01:14:26.460
she's doing the Narnia films and like Netflix

01:14:26.460 --> 01:14:29.199
is even putting those in theaters now, like actually

01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.239
doing a theater push. So I'm guessing they have

01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.449
faith in those. So if those are. to be successful

01:14:34.449 --> 01:14:36.390
and you know she already has a billion dollar

01:14:36.390 --> 01:14:39.010
movie in her back pocket which is something not

01:14:39.010 --> 01:14:41.550
a lot of people could say so i feel like she's

01:14:41.550 --> 01:14:43.590
you know on the potential there i thought maybe

01:14:43.590 --> 01:14:46.689
a dennis villeneuve he's actually like you said

01:14:46.689 --> 01:14:50.369
with uh he's younger he's older than nolan so

01:14:50.369 --> 01:14:52.609
that doesn't work he's kind of doing it with

01:14:52.609 --> 01:14:54.729
dune right like he's kind of already there like

01:14:54.729 --> 01:14:58.710
what about uh what about joseph kaczynski i what

01:14:58.710 --> 01:15:04.289
has he done top gun maverick and um i know a

01:15:04.289 --> 01:15:05.890
lot of people didn't like f1 but i'm saying like

01:15:05.890 --> 01:15:08.989
that's kind of more uh earlier stuff but i could

01:15:08.989 --> 01:15:11.189
see like maybe going off of i mean f1 was super

01:15:11.189 --> 01:15:14.149
you know what f1 was did like it wasn't huge

01:15:14.149 --> 01:15:16.930
domestically but in a worldwide so i think the

01:15:16.930 --> 01:15:19.329
question would be like can he do something that

01:15:19.329 --> 01:15:23.270
is yeah you know like his own another one too

01:15:23.270 --> 01:15:25.829
this is probably really early um because he's

01:15:25.829 --> 01:15:27.989
only done i think two films at this point really

01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.600
But he's got another one coming out this year

01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:34.699
is Zack Greger with he's done Barbarian and Weapons.

01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:36.220
Of course, those are horror films. But again,

01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:38.899
those were Weapons was like one of the biggest

01:15:38.899 --> 01:15:41.359
movies last summer. Barbarian was successful,

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:43.220
but not huge. But he's doing the Resident Evil

01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:45.420
movie coming out later this year. So that proves

01:15:45.420 --> 01:15:48.119
to be successful. So that was someone who I thought

01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:50.840
about as well. And then we have Lord and Miller

01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.840
who did, you know, did Lego. They've been attached

01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:55.880
to a bunch. I don't know their ages, though.

01:15:55.939 --> 01:15:58.920
I looked those up. Those are just some of the

01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.939
people that kind of came to my mind of potentially

01:16:01.939 --> 01:16:05.500
as maybe they have, you know, both the financial

01:16:05.500 --> 01:16:08.220
success with their films as well as the critical,

01:16:08.340 --> 01:16:10.579
like someone like Ari Aster, for example, like

01:16:10.579 --> 01:16:14.180
I know people like he's got, he's a name people

01:16:14.180 --> 01:16:16.859
know, but I don't think he's ever been like has

01:16:16.859 --> 01:16:19.680
the blockbuster behind them. But I don't know.

01:16:19.739 --> 01:16:22.920
Those are some people that seem like maybe like

01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.640
if, if they keep going the way they're going,

01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.989
like if, if I know Ryan Coogler's been announced

01:16:28.989 --> 01:16:31.289
for the next black Panther film, but maybe if

01:16:31.289 --> 01:16:35.090
he does another, you know, standout hit, like

01:16:35.090 --> 01:16:37.810
outside, like, you know, another, not, not another

01:16:37.810 --> 01:16:40.770
like centers too, but another movie that is original.

01:16:40.909 --> 01:16:44.670
And I think he, like, I think, so I do think

01:16:44.670 --> 01:16:46.949
there's, there are a lot of individuals and there's

01:16:46.949 --> 01:16:49.029
something that obviously we have obsession and

01:16:49.029 --> 01:16:52.109
back rooms without those directors that, but

01:16:52.109 --> 01:16:53.550
that's only, I was trying to think of people

01:16:53.550 --> 01:16:57.039
that had at least multiple films. that have been

01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.100
successful so what about like uh what about brady

01:17:00.100 --> 01:17:04.039
corbett he did the brutalist i know that's a

01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:06.079
completely different style right yeah but it

01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:11.439
it's a it's a it's a um it covers a lot of time

01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.640
period it's kind of got a spanning like storytelling

01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:20.140
way like if he really like took an epic and like

01:17:20.489 --> 01:17:23.189
grabbed onto it like i haven't seen vox lux or

01:17:23.189 --> 01:17:25.510
uh i think he had another film before that but

01:17:25.510 --> 01:17:29.470
yeah he's young i think he has the talent i still

01:17:29.470 --> 01:17:31.109
haven't seen the brutalist but i know it was

01:17:31.109 --> 01:17:33.810
heavily he clearly may have the talent i think

01:17:33.810 --> 01:17:36.149
the only thing would be would he ever get to

01:17:36.149 --> 01:17:38.069
the point where the people would be trusting

01:17:38.069 --> 01:17:40.329
to give him yeah that's true that amount of money

01:17:40.329 --> 01:17:43.090
because i think that's the question so that was

01:17:43.090 --> 01:17:44.590
i was just thinking that like some directors

01:17:44.590 --> 01:17:47.869
that like i also apparently didn't realize how

01:17:47.869 --> 01:17:50.050
what age any of these directors that i really

01:17:50.050 --> 01:17:52.470
like are yeah i know i thought i didn't realize

01:17:52.470 --> 01:17:55.369
how old didn't not he's not old but like you

01:17:55.369 --> 01:17:59.590
know all right like we're like oh wow he's he's

01:17:59.590 --> 01:18:00.890
a little older than i expected i thought he'd

01:18:00.890 --> 01:18:04.069
be a little but because you know forget like

01:18:04.069 --> 01:18:07.609
the only one younger than me yeah goodness gracious

01:18:07.609 --> 01:18:12.619
um so um yeah that's that's one i'll have to

01:18:12.619 --> 01:18:14.579
like ponder a little bit because i think that's

01:18:14.579 --> 01:18:16.039
definitely an interesting question as we're talking

01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:18.039
about like when and you know if there would be

01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:20.159
another epic like who's gonna make it like that's

01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:23.359
yeah i've i've had a bet money on anyone right

01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:26.060
now would be it'd be ryan coogler because he's

01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:28.199
like i said he's he's everything he's done been

01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:31.260
has been successful he's already you know won

01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:35.520
oscars not or his movies have won oscars on him

01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.600
but right um and then like and the big thing

01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:42.350
like he showed that he has the ability to negotiate

01:18:42.350 --> 01:18:45.529
on on more of you know so that's i think a big

01:18:45.529 --> 01:18:48.909
part of it too so i don't know it's we'll find

01:18:48.909 --> 01:18:52.989
out now ryan googler's uh directorial uh the

01:18:52.989 --> 01:18:56.250
iliad yeah that's what's coming then somebody

01:18:56.250 --> 01:18:58.090
can do you know they already tried to do beowulf

01:18:58.090 --> 01:19:00.970
a while back oh my god so well we should do that

01:19:00.970 --> 01:19:03.989
i don't know if i've ever saw that though it

01:19:03.989 --> 01:19:06.510
was an animated one right I don't know. I just

01:19:06.510 --> 01:19:08.510
know that that was not a story that I was intrigued

01:19:08.510 --> 01:19:10.529
at based on my high school time to go back and

01:19:10.529 --> 01:19:12.609
revisit. That was a tough, we didn't read that

01:19:12.609 --> 01:19:14.989
entire thing. We read like a, like a page. This

01:19:14.989 --> 01:19:18.630
is, it was a slog. Yeah. So obviously this one's

01:19:18.630 --> 01:19:21.590
doing well. Um, I think its budget was a whopping,

01:19:21.630 --> 01:19:24.510
it was a lot of money, 250 million, but it's,

01:19:24.510 --> 01:19:26.630
uh, going to make a billion dollars, I think

01:19:26.630 --> 01:19:28.369
worldwide. So I think it's going to do all right

01:19:28.369 --> 01:19:30.869
here for, for the odyssey. And I want to say

01:19:30.869 --> 01:19:34.460
it's, uh, pretty well received i haven't looked

01:19:34.460 --> 01:19:39.739
at any type of like um yeah people put i think

01:19:39.739 --> 01:19:42.460
right now if you know you're doing oscar odds

01:19:42.460 --> 01:19:44.239
it's probably i mean it's obviously going to

01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:48.739
be nominated and probably be the on the we're

01:19:48.739 --> 01:19:50.859
still obviously we didn't hit technically oscar

01:19:50.859 --> 01:19:53.659
season which is like the fall but yeah it's gonna

01:19:53.659 --> 01:19:56.279
be a contender for sure and it was i mean there's

01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.989
like you mentioned there is a lot of noise around

01:19:59.989 --> 01:20:02.869
it i'm sure maybe that might impact it um also

01:20:02.869 --> 01:20:06.069
this made me realize why i love watching things

01:20:06.069 --> 01:20:08.229
that aren't popular because my news feed was

01:20:08.229 --> 01:20:11.250
covered was like yeah jam -packed with some of

01:20:11.250 --> 01:20:13.550
the worst takes in the history of the world when

01:20:13.550 --> 01:20:15.229
it came to like this i'm like how do people do

01:20:15.229 --> 01:20:17.289
this like it's so much better watching things

01:20:17.289 --> 01:20:19.010
no one cares about because you don't have to

01:20:19.010 --> 01:20:22.789
deal with i used it uh i used it as a barometer

01:20:22.789 --> 01:20:25.189
on certain social media platforms that i'm on

01:20:25.189 --> 01:20:28.600
of like how can i really quickly identify people

01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.560
that are uh of the far right mega movement and

01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:35.220
yeah it was very easy to point those out and

01:20:35.220 --> 01:20:37.619
just block them from my feed yeah it was crazy

01:20:37.619 --> 01:20:41.060
people even yeah but even beyond that too just

01:20:41.060 --> 01:20:44.439
like there you have that like those crazy people

01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.300
because like you know um people freaking out

01:20:47.300 --> 01:20:50.800
because lapita nyong 'o was was cast um and then

01:20:51.740 --> 01:20:54.140
then others not like i'm saying you have to love

01:20:54.140 --> 01:20:56.579
this movie or they're not criticisms like but

01:20:56.579 --> 01:20:59.500
some of them were like i mentioned like the modern

01:20:59.500 --> 01:21:02.159
english people i'm like do you not it's clearly

01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:04.260
a choice there like do people not they use the

01:21:04.260 --> 01:21:05.979
wrong they use the wrong type of metal on the

01:21:05.979 --> 01:21:08.399
ship dan that is a that is a deal more about

01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:10.640
the helmets or the i'm like i'm gonna i'm gonna

01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:13.560
go crazy man and then they would be like it's

01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:18.409
why can't it be like troy What? When did Troy

01:21:18.409 --> 01:21:22.829
become historically accurate? The Trojan horse

01:21:22.829 --> 01:21:25.390
didn't look as good as it did in Troy. Where

01:21:25.390 --> 01:21:28.270
were all you people when I was watching that

01:21:28.270 --> 01:21:31.869
movie loving it and no one else did? Now I feel

01:21:31.869 --> 01:21:33.670
like I can't love it because you've tainted it

01:21:33.670 --> 01:21:38.060
with your nonsense. Right. Anyways, I think we

01:21:38.060 --> 01:21:40.420
talked to, yeah, I think we covered everything.

01:21:40.500 --> 01:21:43.180
Like it was fun to talk about a new film from

01:21:43.180 --> 01:21:45.300
2026. We've got to do that a few times. We might

01:21:45.300 --> 01:21:46.800
be able to do that a few more times here throughout

01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:49.399
the rest of the year, but we also have our other

01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:51.579
series that are going on. So, you know, if you

01:21:51.579 --> 01:21:53.279
haven't had a chance to see a lot of movies in

01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:55.140
the theater, don't worry. We got your old streaming

01:21:55.140 --> 01:21:57.739
content covered where we're covering all of the

01:21:57.739 --> 01:21:59.560
Western films that you could possibly like think

01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:02.939
of. um we've been covering things like the naked

01:22:02.939 --> 01:22:07.699
spur and uh johnny guitar we have some some classics

01:22:07.699 --> 01:22:10.680
coming up with like the red river and shane and

01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.319
uh what high noon i think is coming soon so you

01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:16.659
like west bravo yeah yeah we got you like everything

01:22:16.659 --> 01:22:18.539
you could possibly listen to there and then we're

01:22:18.539 --> 01:22:21.260
also doing some more science fiction fun for

01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:25.090
more of the geek side of of uh our uh predisposition

01:22:25.090 --> 01:22:27.670
i guess with our planet of the apes series so

01:22:27.670 --> 01:22:29.510
you can watch us as we go through all of them

01:22:29.510 --> 01:22:31.069
not just the modern ones no we're going back

01:22:31.069 --> 01:22:34.689
through all of the originals uh the good the

01:22:34.689 --> 01:22:36.409
bad and the ugly i'll say of that and you'll

01:22:36.409 --> 01:22:38.170
have to kind of like tune in to see which ones

01:22:38.170 --> 01:22:41.010
are which fits fits well right because we did

01:22:41.010 --> 01:22:43.130
that movie too just earlier this year right yeah

01:22:43.130 --> 01:22:45.689
so uh there's lots of stuff to listen to as we

01:22:45.689 --> 01:22:47.390
kind of make our way through this and you can

01:22:47.390 --> 01:22:50.109
always keep uh track of us on letterbox and you

01:22:50.109 --> 01:22:53.260
can go back and see like which one uh or our

01:22:53.260 --> 01:22:55.520
facebook and you can see it is if dan or myself

01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:58.060
is uh in a better shape for the box office draft

01:22:58.060 --> 01:23:01.319
and kind of how that's going not me not me spoiler

01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:05.560
alert it's not over dan um and uh you can check

01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.079
out you know what that is looking like is i think

01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:10.680
we each have three films or four films that are

01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:13.060
yet to be released so yeah i still have my number

01:23:13.060 --> 01:23:15.819
one pick yeah so my number one pick with doomsday

01:23:15.819 --> 01:23:19.430
and i got uh and hoping my sneaky like seventh

01:23:19.430 --> 01:23:22.710
pick of dune dune can like uh bring it home for

01:23:22.710 --> 01:23:25.670
me still like i regret that you know i got the

01:23:25.670 --> 01:23:27.970
new hunger games movie everyone go see that and

01:23:27.970 --> 01:23:31.789
clay face yep which i know and then you know

01:23:31.789 --> 01:23:34.029
cat in the hat is gonna it's gonna it's gonna

01:23:34.029 --> 01:23:37.510
blow down the box people don't realize it's gonna

01:23:37.510 --> 01:23:40.329
make a billion dollars um dan i think you did

01:23:40.329 --> 01:23:42.710
curse the minions movie though by the way oh

01:23:42.710 --> 01:23:47.050
my god no minions film has ever made less than

01:23:47.050 --> 01:23:49.890
like whatever 400 million and i know you've never

01:23:49.890 --> 01:23:52.069
been a fan of the franchise you draft one of

01:23:52.069 --> 01:23:54.810
the minions movies and i see it in theaters too

01:23:54.810 --> 01:23:58.109
i do my part and it gets good reviews and it

01:23:58.109 --> 01:24:01.569
gets good reviews no money to be made i don't

01:24:01.569 --> 01:24:04.270
understand the world it is a weird year for the

01:24:04.270 --> 01:24:07.250
box office that is like and then same thing with

01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.039
I curse Moana, but I'm actually okay with that.

01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:13.560
I will take one for the team. You're probably

01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.979
okay with both of those. You're fine with both

01:24:15.979 --> 01:24:20.399
of those not doing well. I hate saying it, but

01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:23.840
I did like it. It was pretty good. My kids loved

01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:29.579
it. I somehow ended up with the sneakiest pick

01:24:29.579 --> 01:24:32.199
on the planet somehow with Spider -Man as my

01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:35.770
third draft pick. that was i remember going back

01:24:35.770 --> 01:24:37.470
i think if i remember saying like i don't think

01:24:37.470 --> 01:24:38.869
it's going to do well this year i don't know

01:24:38.869 --> 01:24:42.869
and then that yeah i thought we were doing well

01:24:42.869 --> 01:24:45.470
you know like we have all these we it's a decent

01:24:45.470 --> 01:24:47.010
year at the box office like there's a bunch of

01:24:47.010 --> 01:24:50.090
films that have made over 300 million like we

01:24:50.090 --> 01:24:52.369
have you've drafted you had at least two of them

01:24:52.369 --> 01:24:54.890
with michael and odyssey i had project hail mary

01:24:54.890 --> 01:24:58.029
and uh toy story and mario like they've all been

01:24:58.029 --> 01:25:00.149
doing phenomenal and then here comes spider -man

01:25:00.149 --> 01:25:03.100
and in one weekend beats almost all of them Like

01:25:03.100 --> 01:25:07.319
what, what world are we living in? I, yeah, I

01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:10.800
was just, you know, I thought maybe cause like

01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:12.699
the other, the other Spider -Man's that weren't

01:25:12.699 --> 01:25:16.119
no way home did okay. And I thought the MCU was

01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:18.640
dead. That's what people said. But I thought

01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:21.420
comic book movies were like, like nothing seemed

01:25:21.420 --> 01:25:23.520
like it was making money and Supergirl tanked

01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:25.039
and like everything else was tanking. And then

01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:29.279
Spider -Man said, remember me? I know it's interesting.

01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.340
I don't know. So I don't know what that means

01:25:32.340 --> 01:25:34.239
for Doomsday, if that's a good sign for Doomsday

01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:36.760
or not. We'll see. Because it didn't really...

01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.439
I don't know. We'll see. I do think it means

01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:41.399
that regardless of what other kind of superhero

01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:43.600
fatigue people have and whatever happens to the

01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.140
DC and the Marvel Universe, I think we can be

01:25:46.140 --> 01:25:48.699
assured that no matter what happens with all

01:25:48.699 --> 01:25:50.560
of them, Spider -Man will continue to live on.

01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:53.619
Yeah. We're going to get more Spider -Man. Sure.

01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:56.380
It was always my favorite as a kid, so I'm fine

01:25:56.380 --> 01:26:01.149
with that. I mean, yeah. I know everybody's like

01:26:01.149 --> 01:26:04.529
Batman and Superman fans. I was always kind of

01:26:04.529 --> 01:26:06.329
more of a, I didn't read comics. I didn't watch

01:26:06.329 --> 01:26:07.989
a lot of superhero stuff, but I remember having

01:26:07.989 --> 01:26:09.449
a Spider -Man coloring book and I thought he

01:26:09.449 --> 01:26:14.470
was cool. Can't deny that. All right. So you

01:26:14.470 --> 01:26:16.770
can search out Dan at the comic concierge. You

01:26:16.770 --> 01:26:18.930
can search out our Facebook page. What is it,

01:26:18.970 --> 01:26:22.569
Dan? I'm a country years movie podcast. If you

01:26:22.569 --> 01:26:25.159
search that, you'll be able to find it. and the

01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:28.800
um cinema geek podcast is probably oh yeah sorry

01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:31.359
the comic concierge movie podcast would be an

01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:33.039
interesting yeah that would be weird i am combining

01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:36.500
everything yeah cinema geek podcast it's on facebook

01:26:36.500 --> 01:26:41.220
i gotta start posting more um but you can catch

01:26:41.220 --> 01:26:43.880
us on there so yeah for sure check us out on

01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.060
letterbox you can check out the website i'm gonna

01:26:46.060 --> 01:26:47.159
say it the wrong way though because they just

01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:51.489
changed it it's the gcrn .com so uh it is no

01:26:51.489 --> 01:26:54.390
longer geekcastradio .com it's thegcrn .com so

01:26:54.390 --> 01:26:55.869
you can check that out and all of our stuff will

01:26:55.869 --> 01:26:58.050
be posted there as well as any articles that

01:26:58.050 --> 01:27:00.189
dan and i write usually get posted there as well

01:27:00.189 --> 01:27:02.909
so you can check out all of that content so that

01:27:02.909 --> 01:27:04.770
does it for this episode tune in next time for

01:27:04.770 --> 01:27:06.630
another chance to listen to more of the cinema

01:27:06.630 --> 01:27:06.970
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