WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.439 This is static when gear and I aren't fighting 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:04.639 bang babies. We like to listen to the geek cast 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:20.739 radio network Hello and welcome to episode 240 00:00:20.739 --> 00:00:22.820 of the cinema geeks I'm one of your cinema geeks 00:00:22.820 --> 00:00:25.039 optimist solo and joining me as usual is the 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:27.800 comic concierge. Hello, Dan Hey, how's it going? 00:00:28.350 --> 00:00:31.649 is going well we are back at it we uh covered 00:00:31.649 --> 00:00:36.030 the uh the man with no name trilogy i always 00:00:36.030 --> 00:00:38.030 struggle with what i want to call it the fistful 00:00:38.030 --> 00:00:41.549 of dollars trilogy the whatever trilogy you want 00:00:41.549 --> 00:00:43.810 to call it the man with no name the man with 00:00:43.810 --> 00:00:47.070 no dollars yes the man with no dollars yeah and 00:00:47.070 --> 00:00:49.530 different names each time um so yeah we just 00:00:49.530 --> 00:00:51.729 got done talking about that we have a few more 00:00:51.729 --> 00:00:54.320 of the quote -unquote spaghetti westerns to go 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.780 through so we are going to cover one of those 00:00:56.780 --> 00:01:01.259 today in 1966's Django and then we have one more 00:01:01.259 --> 00:01:05.200 going back to Sergio Leone's Once Upon a Time 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.939 in the West and then we'll move into a new section 00:01:07.939 --> 00:01:11.239 of our western retrospective which we can get 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.099 to at the end of maybe next episode so just wanted 00:01:15.099 --> 00:01:17.549 to kind of set that stage and We're going to 00:01:17.549 --> 00:01:20.689 let Dan kind of lay the groundwork for the facts 00:01:20.689 --> 00:01:22.890 on Django, and then we'll come back and give 00:01:22.890 --> 00:01:25.439 you guys our thoughts. So Dan, take away. The 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.439 D is silent, but deadly, as this week we're covering 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:33.620 Django, directed by Sergio Carbucci. In the film, 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.319 a mysterious mud -covered drifter named Django, 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:39.420 played by Franco Nero, arrives in a desolated 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:42.719 border town, dragging a coffin behind him. The 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.019 town is caught in a brutal struggle between a 00:01:45.019 --> 00:01:47.640 gang of racist ex -Confederates, led by Major 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.760 Jackson, and a group of Mexican revolutionaries. 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:54.019 under General Hugo Rodriguez. Django quickly 00:01:54.019 --> 00:01:57.099 proves himself deadly with a gun, rescuing a 00:01:57.099 --> 00:02:00.099 woman named Maria from Jackson's men and taking 00:02:00.099 --> 00:02:03.260 refuge in a saloon. run by a neutral barkeep. 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:06.079 Playing both sides against each other, Django 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.080 hatches a risky plan. He gains the trust of Hugo's 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:11.840 gang as they make an assault on Jackson's base. 00:02:12.099 --> 00:02:14.280 Under the disguise of bringing prostitutes for 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.659 the soldiers, they drive a horse cart containing 00:02:16.659 --> 00:02:19.520 Django, Hugo, and four revolutionaries attacking 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.319 the base and stealing a cache of gold. Back at 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.020 Rodriguez's hideout, Django has a prostitute 00:02:26.020 --> 00:02:28.379 distract the men guarding the safe house containing 00:02:28.379 --> 00:02:30.939 the gold. He enters the house via the chimney. 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.680 stealing the gold in his coffin, and activating 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.860 his machine gun as a diversion. Jango loads the 00:02:36.860 --> 00:02:40.159 coffin onto the dragon, but doing so, he sees 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.580 Maria. The next morning, Django and Maria arrive 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:45.000 at the bridge where they first met. Django tells 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.500 Maria that they should part ways, but Maria begs 00:02:47.500 --> 00:02:50.120 him to abandon the gold so they can start a new 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.560 life together. When Maria's rifle misfires, the 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.500 coffin falls into the quicksand below. Django 00:02:56.500 --> 00:02:59.060 nearly drowns when he tries to recover the gold, 00:02:59.139 --> 00:03:02.060 and Maria is wounded by Hugo's men while trying 00:03:02.060 --> 00:03:04.979 to save him. Miguel crushes Django's hands as 00:03:04.979 --> 00:03:07.560 punishment for being a thief, and Hugo's gang 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:11.110 leave for Mexico. Upon their arrival, the revolutionaries 00:03:11.110 --> 00:03:13.849 are massacred by Jackson and the Mexican army. 00:03:14.090 --> 00:03:17.210 Django and Maria return to the neutral saloon, 00:03:17.289 --> 00:03:20.310 finding only the barkeep there. Django tells 00:03:20.310 --> 00:03:23.069 them that, despite his crushed hands, he must 00:03:23.069 --> 00:03:26.370 kill Jackson to prevent further bloodshed. Jackson 00:03:26.370 --> 00:03:28.870 learns that Jango is waiting for him at the Tombstone 00:03:28.870 --> 00:03:31.389 Cemetery. While there, Jango is resting himself 00:03:31.389 --> 00:03:34.349 on the back of Mercedes Arrow's cross. He pulls 00:03:34.349 --> 00:03:36.469 the trigger guard of his revolver off with his 00:03:36.469 --> 00:03:39.310 teeth and rests it against the cross just as 00:03:39.310 --> 00:03:42.349 Jackson gangs arrives. Believing that Jango cannot 00:03:42.349 --> 00:03:44.250 make the sign of the cross with his mutilated 00:03:44.250 --> 00:03:47.050 hands, Jackson shoots the corner of the cross. 00:03:47.330 --> 00:03:49.550 But then suddenly, Jango is able to kill Jackson 00:03:49.550 --> 00:03:52.389 and his men by pushing the trigger against the 00:03:52.389 --> 00:03:54.629 cross and repeatedly pulling back the hammer, 00:03:54.810 --> 00:03:58.199 leaving his pistol on Zorro's cross, Django staggers 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.979 out of the cemetery, ready to start a new life 00:04:00.979 --> 00:04:04.539 with Maria. Django pushed the genre into a darker, 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:07.680 more violent tone than even Sergio Leone's films. 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:09.960 The film's violence, especially the ear -cutting 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.599 scene and hand -crushing torture, were considered 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.560 extreme for its time, and it was banned and heavily 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.360 cut in several countries, including the UK, for 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.220 years. At the time, many critics thought it was 00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:24.199 too violent and cynical, but despite that criticism, 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.620 it was a huge commercial success, especially 00:04:27.620 --> 00:04:31.019 in Italy and other European markets. Its popularity 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:33.379 helped cement the rise of the spaghetti Western 00:04:33.379 --> 00:04:37.250 boom. And over time, Django has been repraised 00:04:37.250 --> 00:04:39.269 very positively and is considered one of the 00:04:39.269 --> 00:04:42.629 most impactful of the genre, and its impact was 00:04:42.629 --> 00:04:45.850 immediate. Because Django wasn't strictly trademarked 00:04:45.850 --> 00:04:48.889 internationally, dozens of unrelated westerns 00:04:48.889 --> 00:04:51.310 were retitled to include his name. There are 00:04:51.310 --> 00:04:54.550 over 30 Django films with his name alone, though 00:04:54.550 --> 00:04:57.230 most have nothing to do with the original. There's 00:04:57.230 --> 00:04:59.889 only one official sequel, Django Strikes Again, 00:05:00.170 --> 00:05:03.300 which came out 21 years later. Quentin Tarantino 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:05.699 has cited Django as a major influence on his 00:05:05.699 --> 00:05:08.680 film Django Unchained. Franco Nero even makes 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.000 a cameo in Tarantino's film and shares a brief 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.759 scene with the newer Django, played by Jamie 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.199 Foxx. He, of course, is also a huge fan of the 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.100 opening song Django and includes it in his film 00:05:19.100 --> 00:05:21.939 as well, and it's also been used in other films 00:05:21.939 --> 00:05:25.420 and referenced a great deal of times. But where 00:05:25.420 --> 00:05:28.399 do Kevin and I stand? Are we with the original 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.120 critics, or do we feel like it has aged well? 00:05:31.709 --> 00:05:34.550 Back to us to discuss. Thank you very much, Dan. 00:05:34.689 --> 00:05:38.050 So going into this, I refresh my memory. Was 00:05:38.050 --> 00:05:40.490 this a first -time watch for you, Dan, or is 00:05:40.490 --> 00:05:44.110 this a re -watch? This was a first -time watch 00:05:44.110 --> 00:05:46.889 for me. I was aware of, obviously, the Django 00:05:46.889 --> 00:05:49.310 films and everything because of Django Unchained, 00:05:49.430 --> 00:05:52.449 a movie that we reviewed when we did our Quentin 00:05:52.449 --> 00:05:55.509 Tarantino retrospective years ago, but I never 00:05:55.509 --> 00:05:57.910 went back and watched this or any of the other 00:05:57.910 --> 00:06:01.050 Django films. This was a first time watch for 00:06:01.050 --> 00:06:03.170 me. How about yourself? It was definitely a first 00:06:03.170 --> 00:06:06.089 time watch for me as well. I knew that like Django, 00:06:06.189 --> 00:06:07.949 I knew this film existed and I knew there was 00:06:07.949 --> 00:06:10.470 like a, what felt like a hundred other films 00:06:10.470 --> 00:06:12.310 that had Django in there somewhere. I didn't 00:06:12.310 --> 00:06:14.329 know what the connections were or if there was, 00:06:14.350 --> 00:06:16.750 or if it was like one of those things where it's 00:06:16.750 --> 00:06:18.230 just sequel upon, like it's land before time 00:06:18.230 --> 00:06:20.189 at this point. Like it's just become like, there's 00:06:20.189 --> 00:06:22.610 like 31 of them, but I wasn't interested to find 00:06:22.610 --> 00:06:24.470 out that there's actually only one sequel out 00:06:24.470 --> 00:06:27.670 of the 30 other films that have the name Django 00:06:27.670 --> 00:06:30.189 in it. None of them are. official sequels except 00:06:30.189 --> 00:06:33.610 for one yeah so and that and that didn't come 00:06:33.610 --> 00:06:37.009 out until like the 80s so so that's very interesting 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:40.389 and obviously we have a character from this film 00:06:40.389 --> 00:06:43.110 that does make a cameo in tarantino's django 00:06:43.110 --> 00:06:47.209 unchained so there are some connections and influences 00:06:47.209 --> 00:06:48.810 and different things like we've talked about 00:06:48.810 --> 00:06:50.750 with some of the other spaghetti westerns i'm 00:06:51.349 --> 00:06:53.730 intrigued on this one Dan I don't know if we're 00:06:53.730 --> 00:06:55.589 going to line up on this one or not but I'm super 00:06:55.589 --> 00:06:58.290 intrigued on what your take especially coming 00:06:58.290 --> 00:07:02.529 off the heels of watching the whatever we're 00:07:02.529 --> 00:07:04.810 going to call that trilogy the man with no name 00:07:04.810 --> 00:07:07.550 trilogy I'm interested in just having watched 00:07:07.550 --> 00:07:10.850 those three and then watching this one like what 00:07:10.850 --> 00:07:12.189 your take on it because like we talked about 00:07:12.189 --> 00:07:15.410 a little bit during that episode was that Sergio 00:07:15.410 --> 00:07:17.990 Leone's fistful of dollars trilogy or man with 00:07:17.990 --> 00:07:22.009 no name trilogy was loosely based off of loosely 00:07:22.009 --> 00:07:24.209 or maybe not so loosely based off of kurosawa's 00:07:24.209 --> 00:07:27.149 yojimbo to the point where there was like lawsuits 00:07:27.149 --> 00:07:29.529 or whatever happened where he was like you just 00:07:29.529 --> 00:07:32.009 made my film like give me money which i think 00:07:32.009 --> 00:07:34.310 which i think they had to do and now this one 00:07:34.310 --> 00:07:39.689 is also not only also loosely based off of yojimbo 00:07:39.689 --> 00:07:44.209 but then also trying to capitalize on the success 00:07:44.209 --> 00:07:48.360 of a fistful of dollars so we're definitely riding 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.079 in a a parallel lane to what we've just been 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.259 talking about so dan what was your reaction to 00:07:54.259 --> 00:07:56.740 your first time watch of django here yeah it's 00:07:56.740 --> 00:07:59.800 kind of like the team you team you copy i'm so 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.759 glad you said that of the of the item you bought 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.720 from wish it's like that seems like we're in 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.920 many degrees away for away aware from away from 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.079 the original uh you know what when we talked 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.569 about the Man with No Dollars trilogy, which 00:08:14.569 --> 00:08:16.769 I think I'll call it now, just to bring it all 00:08:16.769 --> 00:08:20.009 together. I brought up professional wrestling, 00:08:20.149 --> 00:08:21.810 and I promise I'm not going to bring up professional 00:08:21.810 --> 00:08:26.850 wrestling every time we talk about these movies, 00:08:26.930 --> 00:08:29.649 but it feels fitting here again. Because when 00:08:29.649 --> 00:08:31.370 you think about professional wrestling, what 00:08:31.370 --> 00:08:35.210 is something that is really key at helping getting 00:08:35.210 --> 00:08:37.879 a character over? And it's a great theme song. 00:08:38.019 --> 00:08:40.259 That goes a long way. Think about the greats. 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.240 They tend to have a really good theme song from 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:47.240 someone called Steve Austin to Hulk Hogan. People 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:50.039 listen to their theme songs even outside of wrestling. 00:08:50.659 --> 00:08:53.720 One thing you have to say about Django, he certainly 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:57.679 has a great theme song. I didn't know until watching 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.899 this movie that the theme that we hear in Django 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:04.720 Unchained originated here. I think as a kid saying... 00:09:04.990 --> 00:09:08.370 today a banger. I definitely think so. It starts 00:09:08.370 --> 00:09:11.049 off strong. Like you get invested. Like I have 00:09:11.049 --> 00:09:13.750 this Django seems like someone I want to root 00:09:13.750 --> 00:09:17.070 for. And then of course with great professional 00:09:17.070 --> 00:09:19.429 wrestling, you want a great gimmick and being 00:09:19.429 --> 00:09:23.009 a guy dressed in black, walking in the desert, 00:09:23.070 --> 00:09:26.049 like dragging a coffin, you know, like that's. 00:09:26.669 --> 00:09:28.929 That's a great gimmick. I don't know if this 00:09:28.929 --> 00:09:32.830 is where the Undertaker originated from or where 00:09:32.830 --> 00:09:35.289 they got some of their ideas or not, but certainly 00:09:35.289 --> 00:09:39.570 talking about lawsuits, maybe they might have 00:09:39.570 --> 00:09:42.649 thought of some back then. So starting off, you 00:09:42.649 --> 00:09:44.870 have a lot of... That certainly caught my interest. 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:46.929 There's a lot here to like, okay, well, we got 00:09:46.929 --> 00:09:50.769 a great theme song, got a great gimmick. Clearly, 00:09:50.950 --> 00:09:56.679 as you mentioned, the links here to what... they're 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.840 doing here when it comes to borrowing from the 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.340 Man With No Name trilogy, it's clear. Franco 00:10:04.340 --> 00:10:10.120 Nero definitely is clearly inspired by what Clint 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:13.480 Eastwood did. Crazy that he was only 25 doing 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.440 this. I guess they used old age makeup to make 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:21.039 him older. That makeup, I gotta say, worked because 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.460 I legitimately thought he was older. So those 00:10:24.460 --> 00:10:26.899 elements I thought definitely worked for me. 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.779 But like with professional wrestling, sometimes 00:10:29.779 --> 00:10:32.360 you can have all those gimmicks, have all those 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.340 elements, but when the in -wing work just isn't 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:40.840 there, it can be a bit clunky, and maybe it becomes 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.879 very obvious that you're trying to maybe put 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.879 all that out there because perhaps you're trying 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.200 to distract for what doesn't work. Ultimately, 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.779 I had a good time here. I think this is certainly 00:10:52.779 --> 00:10:56.120 exploitative. I could see why Quentin Tarantino 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.779 would love this type of thing. You certainly 00:10:58.779 --> 00:11:03.139 see so many elements, not just from Django, but 00:11:03.139 --> 00:11:06.100 like, oh, okay. I'm like, that's where he completely 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:09.620 got that scene. That's where that scene from. 00:11:12.539 --> 00:11:14.159 I'm forgetting the name of the movie, his second 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.840 film. A few dollars more. No, no. Oh, Django? 00:11:18.940 --> 00:11:20.600 Oh, are you talking about Tarantino? Tarantino, 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:25.360 his second film. Not Pulp Fiction. Reservoir 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.379 Dogs. Where the scene from Reservoir Dogs came 00:11:27.379 --> 00:11:29.919 from. Like, oh, with the ear. I'm like, oh, okay. 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.539 That's where he got that from. You're seeing 00:11:32.539 --> 00:11:34.919 kind of his influence. You're seeing a lot of 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.519 his... A lot of the influence is right from this. 00:11:37.620 --> 00:11:39.059 So I'm like, I get why he really loves this. 00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:40.820 And those elements, I think, certainly are... 00:11:40.820 --> 00:11:43.679 There are entertaining elements within this. 00:11:44.379 --> 00:11:47.539 I do think, though, it is a bit like... It is 00:11:47.539 --> 00:11:50.259 ultimately a copy of a copy of a copy. It's a 00:11:50.259 --> 00:11:54.600 bit clunky, and it's just, I think, a bit of 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.460 a mess. It's, I think, how it ends up by the 00:11:58.460 --> 00:12:01.679 end. It's, I'm not, like, I think it's, of all 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.899 the films we've done thus far, when it comes 00:12:03.899 --> 00:12:06.000 to craftsmanship, when it comes to how well it 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.940 was made, it is a major step down. And, you know, 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:15.340 it's a good time, but I don't think it's necessarily... 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.500 a well -made movie beyond that but what did you 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:25.600 think i'm so relieved um i thought for sure that 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.220 you were going to be like it was going to be 00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:30.840 like a time where you're just very different 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:32.759 like we separated a little bit and you were going 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:35.000 to sing the praises of why you know this has 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.299 like a 95 on rotten tomatoes and like all the 00:12:38.299 --> 00:12:40.360 influences and i was going to be just like the 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.059 uncultured swine here that was like i like i 00:12:44.059 --> 00:12:47.100 i love your professional wrestling analogy and 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:50.820 i would take it this step further like when we 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:56.059 talked about before with the the man with no 00:12:56.059 --> 00:12:58.360 dollars trilogy which i'm just going to keep 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.059 with that as well we talked about you know how 00:13:01.059 --> 00:13:05.840 kurosawa's ujimbo was like the original like 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:10.139 nwo in japan idea And then the fistful of dollars 00:13:10.139 --> 00:13:13.700 trilogy was kind of like the NWO and WCW. And 00:13:13.700 --> 00:13:15.620 it just worked. And like, it took off because 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:19.240 certain audiences hadn't seen Yojimbo or didn't 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:20.679 make the connection or whatever the case may 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.360 be. And it just like worked. And like, to me, 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.899 this is then you take the NWO after it's run 00:13:25.899 --> 00:13:27.700 its course and been beaten into the ground. And 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:30.559 then you try to revive it on later on in WWE 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:33.320 or TNA or something like that. And it's like, 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.179 no, not only have we already seen this, but now 00:13:37.179 --> 00:13:40.370 like the. it's like national hall and Hogan are 00:13:40.370 --> 00:13:42.649 all like 10, 15 years older now. And it's like, 00:13:42.690 --> 00:13:46.149 uh, this isn't working y 'all like, yeah. Or, 00:13:46.230 --> 00:13:47.909 or something like that. It's, it's like the, 00:13:47.990 --> 00:13:52.629 the WCW or WWE, then it turns into NW, uh, NWA 00:13:52.629 --> 00:13:55.190 or TNA or like one of those. And it's just like, 00:13:55.230 --> 00:13:58.850 I don't know, guys, this is like, uh, I, I, I 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:00.389 get the wrestling rings in the high school gym 00:14:00.389 --> 00:14:03.070 now, but, uh, it just doesn't have the same effect. 00:14:03.529 --> 00:14:05.549 Um, I agree though. Like it does have some elements, 00:14:05.570 --> 00:14:07.360 like, especially at the beginning, like, like 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.419 obviously this has a crazy score like soundtrack 00:14:10.419 --> 00:14:12.220 or whatever like there's a there's a lot to it 00:14:12.220 --> 00:14:15.820 like it's pretty uh complex like i know that 00:14:15.820 --> 00:14:19.840 there was like a soundtrack that was dozens of 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.759 tracks right like so you have the music part 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.580 of it at first i was like okay like i'm gonna 00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:32.200 give frank onero like the shot here he at the 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:34.370 beginning like It seems like he's going for a 00:14:34.370 --> 00:14:35.809 little bit of the same that we got with Clint 00:14:35.809 --> 00:14:37.590 Eastwood, but I'm like, it's a different person. 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:39.909 Let's see how this works. You're right, he's 00:14:39.909 --> 00:14:42.870 carrying this coffin, dragging it through, which 00:14:42.870 --> 00:14:46.090 seems really weird when it comes to all of that. 00:14:46.590 --> 00:14:50.629 I was intrigued at the beginning, but man, does 00:14:50.629 --> 00:14:52.649 he come across in the end as the Kmart version 00:14:52.649 --> 00:14:57.350 of Clint Eastwood? Or the Shopko version of Clint 00:14:57.350 --> 00:14:59.470 Eastwood, or the Timu, like you said. It's just 00:14:59.470 --> 00:15:02.090 like, no offense to Frank O 'Neill, but like... 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.039 He didn't hold a candle to what we got with Clint 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.080 Eastwood. Like there's just the, it factor for 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.740 me was missing. So that was for the first part. 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.679 And then like the second part, like I get, like 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.960 we had a similar situation in the fistful of 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.679 dollars trilogy where Clint Eastwood is wearing 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.019 like a metal plate. And then we compared it to 00:15:25.019 --> 00:15:27.659 like the Bret Hart and Bill Goldberg situation. 00:15:28.539 --> 00:15:31.580 Yeah. then in this one they're like screw that 00:15:31.580 --> 00:15:33.840 we don't just want a metal plate we're gonna 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.700 open up a coffin and have like a a machine gun 00:15:39.700 --> 00:15:42.279 like a stationary machine gun that we're just 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.519 gonna use to blow everybody to like smithereens 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:49.340 i was just like i didn't i wasn't expecting those 00:15:49.340 --> 00:15:51.379 types of gimmicks here when i when we went back 00:15:51.379 --> 00:15:53.700 to like these quote unquote classic like westerns 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:57.379 maybe i was just being like ignorant but i was 00:15:57.379 --> 00:15:58.899 like i didn't know that's where we went with 00:15:58.899 --> 00:16:01.539 some of these like the the steel plate shirt 00:16:01.539 --> 00:16:03.679 and the the machine gun that we're pulling out 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:05.519 of coffins like i didn't realize that i thought 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.120 it was mostly just like gunfights at the okay 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.100 corral and and like duels and and things of that 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:14.019 nature like take your 10 paces and see who's 00:16:14.019 --> 00:16:15.879 the fastest draw and stuff like that i didn't 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:17.600 know they were like nope like you you brought 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.679 a knife to a gunfight type stuff uh all over 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.039 the place but it it it did make sense because 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:24.879 he was definitely like in some situations where 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.350 i'm like well There's physically no way you win 00:16:27.350 --> 00:16:31.490 this fight. I don't know. We continue to back 00:16:31.490 --> 00:16:33.009 ourselves in the corners that then you're trying 00:16:33.009 --> 00:16:34.429 to figure out how they're going to get out of 00:16:34.429 --> 00:16:36.350 it. Well, he's got a machine gun in the coffin. 00:16:36.470 --> 00:16:41.110 That's how he's getting out of it. This did not 00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:45.090 really work for me. Hardly at all. I feel what 00:16:45.090 --> 00:16:46.710 you said when you were like, this is a huge step 00:16:46.710 --> 00:16:49.789 down from what we're talking about. We were already 00:16:49.789 --> 00:16:53.250 overcoming some of the other things. You have 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:56.110 to deal with the bad. dubbing and you have to 00:16:56.110 --> 00:16:57.509 deal with some of the other stuff like just in 00:16:57.509 --> 00:16:59.309 general like in some of these spaghetti westerns 00:16:59.309 --> 00:17:01.070 but like this one takes it to like a new level 00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:04.529 and i just feel like there's parts of the film 00:17:04.529 --> 00:17:06.289 like you said like it's not just that it's just 00:17:06.289 --> 00:17:09.430 not super well either constructed or executed 00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:12.490 like when we get to the final sequence when he's 00:17:12.490 --> 00:17:15.109 trying i spoil the alert for for django from 00:17:15.109 --> 00:17:20.490 1966 um when we get to the final scene when he's 00:17:20.490 --> 00:17:23.500 in the graveyard trying to steady his gun on 00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:26.579 hands that have been like i don't even know how 00:17:26.579 --> 00:17:29.559 they're connected anymore like with his fingers 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.779 and stuff and they're they spent so much time 00:17:31.779 --> 00:17:34.440 showing how much he's struggling to like steady 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.660 it even for a little bit and then it like comes 00:17:37.660 --> 00:17:39.220 to that moment and it's just like no problem 00:17:39.220 --> 00:17:43.700 and it was just clunky like it the whole thing 00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:47.119 i felt like was clunky um i'm not saying that 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:52.599 the actors did like a bad job necessarily i don't 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.000 know if they have the like i don't know if he 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.859 had the charisma of like a clint eastwood or 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:57.900 or some of that but i don't know if it's necessarily 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:00.380 like on the actors i just think like there's 00:18:00.380 --> 00:18:03.079 part of the writing or screenplay or or like 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.420 direction that's just like they're missing things 00:18:07.420 --> 00:18:12.839 like it just doesn't come for me and i don't 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:14.559 know like i by the end of it i was ready for 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.220 it to be over well i think i think i definitely 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:21.119 enjoyed it more than you Like, I did have a good 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:23.700 time with it. Like, him pulling out the machine 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:26.339 gun. It's interesting, like, because, like, that 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:29.299 I knew about because when I watched it, it was 00:18:29.299 --> 00:18:31.900 on the poster. So, like, I, like, it kind of, 00:18:31.900 --> 00:18:33.940 that was ruined for me because of the poster. 00:18:34.460 --> 00:18:38.440 But did any part of you think, wait, is this 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.759 a time travel movie? Like, any part of you was 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:42.859 like, because just for a second, I'm like, wait. 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:45.359 Because I know, like, machine guns existed at 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.440 that time, but. like to like that extent i was 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.779 like that's seems a little far advanced but i 00:18:50.779 --> 00:18:53.319 guess it does like line up time time wise but 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.759 any little part of you think are they gonna go 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:57.700 with time travel because like it does seem like 00:18:57.700 --> 00:19:00.619 maybe that's how they're gonna try i didn't that's 00:19:00.619 --> 00:19:02.140 a good thought that's a good thought like i didn't 00:19:02.140 --> 00:19:04.960 think that at first the the thing that i kept 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:06.539 coming back to and i'm not saying i didn't have 00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:08.200 fun with it like it's one of those that you have 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:11.130 to just like allow yourself to like not take 00:19:11.130 --> 00:19:13.990 serious but at the same time i kept waiting for 00:19:13.990 --> 00:19:16.849 what's those guys's names like servo and like 00:19:16.849 --> 00:19:19.609 the mystery science theater like 3 000 or 2 000 00:19:19.609 --> 00:19:22.390 guys oh yeah i was i was wanting them to be on 00:19:22.390 --> 00:19:25.569 the screen giving me commentary as this nonsense 00:19:25.569 --> 00:19:27.890 continued like it was kind of on that level like 00:19:27.890 --> 00:19:30.490 this is like a dollar western movie that you 00:19:30.490 --> 00:19:32.670 pick up in the bin at walmart or kmart and like 00:19:32.670 --> 00:19:34.930 you just throw on for for crappy movie night 00:19:34.930 --> 00:19:37.930 like i you can have fun with it but i feel like 00:19:37.930 --> 00:19:42.640 it's it's more fun to like not I felt like it 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.759 would have almost been better if they knew that 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.880 they were... Just be a spoof. Just be a spoof 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.019 off of the other one. But they're clearly not 00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:52.519 doing that. They are taking themselves seriously. 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.319 They are trying to execute something that is 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:58.599 on par with the Dollars Trilogy and all these 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:00.599 other things. But at the same time, I was like, 00:20:00.700 --> 00:20:03.799 this is one that... I'm not much of a drinker, 00:20:03.819 --> 00:20:05.539 but this is one where in college you get a bunch 00:20:05.539 --> 00:20:06.980 of your friends together and you have some drinks 00:20:06.980 --> 00:20:08.700 and you just make... make fun of it while you 00:20:08.700 --> 00:20:12.160 watch it that's kind of like where i was at with 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.519 it makes sense there were things i did appreciate 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.660 like i did think some of those action sequences 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:21.900 were like well put together like and some of 00:20:21.900 --> 00:20:24.920 the sets of sign even like the um it utilizing 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.519 like using that stark red they obviously you 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.819 see like the the seems like pretty much like 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:31.799 the kkk comparison but instead of white using 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:35.099 red i thought like that imagery was you know 00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:38.329 was like did stand out And then, you know, when 00:20:38.329 --> 00:20:41.710 he does actually bring out the crazy machine 00:20:41.710 --> 00:20:45.109 gun and how that worked, I thought that that 00:20:45.109 --> 00:20:48.549 scene itself was impactful for me. I did, like, 00:20:48.569 --> 00:20:51.150 it was, like I said, exploitive. And I certainly, 00:20:51.210 --> 00:20:53.549 like I mentioned, I thought, like, I see why, 00:20:53.630 --> 00:20:57.289 like, this was Tarantino watching this and, like, 00:20:57.309 --> 00:20:59.289 thinking, okay, well, I'm making this movie later 00:20:59.289 --> 00:21:03.069 in my life for sure. Honestly, where it started 00:21:03.069 --> 00:21:08.329 losing me was actually after that. and like kind 00:21:08.329 --> 00:21:11.309 of in the second half in the final third where 00:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.269 we you know he they go in they like they they 00:21:15.269 --> 00:21:18.250 kind of do the trojan horse with the ladies and 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:22.349 they invade the base and you're like waiting 00:21:22.349 --> 00:21:25.670 for him to like you know obviously he's going 00:21:25.670 --> 00:21:28.390 to double cross them and we get the scene where 00:21:28.390 --> 00:21:32.470 you know he uh he brings up and we haven't really 00:21:32.470 --> 00:21:34.730 got much into the plot but like he brings up 00:21:34.730 --> 00:21:37.799 there he has this kind of weird relationship 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.420 with um it's one woman who we meet in the beginning 00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:42.920 who is kind of caught between the worlds like 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:46.259 he is and you think maybe like they're gonna 00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:48.579 have this relationship but he brings up someone 00:21:48.579 --> 00:21:53.200 up upstairs that he uses as a distraction and 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.420 this we have the scene that like plays out for 00:21:55.420 --> 00:21:57.660 such a long almost like they like needed a certain 00:21:57.660 --> 00:22:00.779 runtime and we watch every bit of it as he like 00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:04.180 slowly meticulously does bring the coffin down 00:22:04.180 --> 00:22:08.819 from the upstairs like to the bottom and like 00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:11.940 i i guess i some way some ways appreciate just 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:13.200 like the fact that they're like we're going to 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.319 show you that he did do this like in every little 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.900 bit of it but i'm like i'm like could we just 00:22:17.900 --> 00:22:22.160 you know maybe just do one or two cuts here like 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.099 it's like every look i don't nope we're gonna 00:22:24.099 --> 00:22:26.700 we're sticking with this from the beginning to 00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:30.299 end you know and and i get it if it was like 00:22:30.299 --> 00:22:33.559 that scene had any sort of tension or humor but 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.660 it didn't at all for me so it just that's where 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:39.559 it started to lose me a bit then we go through 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.579 all that and you know we're going through all 00:22:42.579 --> 00:22:47.279 this and we we get through we they get free and 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.420 you know and then they are you think they're 00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:54.599 finally like gonna like you know win the day 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:57.819 or whatever and then they put all the gold in 00:22:57.819 --> 00:23:01.079 the coffin, and they're going off on their journey, 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:05.220 and then the coffin just falls into the quicksand. 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:10.240 And I'm like, it's such the most clumsy way to, 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.640 you said clumsy, and I think that's actually 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.400 kind of, the way that kind of unfolds, it's not 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:19.180 very satisfying. It did make me think, though, 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:21.500 like, Quicksand. I have not seen Quicksand in 00:23:21.500 --> 00:23:24.640 a movie in such a long time. You know, when I 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.700 was a kid, like, Quicksand, that was such a huge 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:30.079 thing. But it was in spoofs that you saw that, 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.619 right? Yeah. I mean, besides The Princess Bride, 00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:36.579 I felt like that's, like, not Spongebob, but 00:23:36.579 --> 00:23:38.039 those types of films are where you found the 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.140 Quicksand. Well, that's where it started. Like, 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.740 that's where I felt it kind of fell apart a bit, 00:23:42.819 --> 00:23:45.319 like that second half. And just generally, too, 00:23:45.380 --> 00:23:48.839 I just feel like... Django, Frank O 'Neill, him 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.720 as a character, if you were to compare him to, 00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:54.799 which is hard not to, the man with no name, I 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:59.400 struggle to understand where he sits more. What 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.960 is driving him? What is his morals? What is generally 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.980 his code, per se? Why am I investing in him? 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:12.000 So much time is spent with him and this kind 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:17.279 of relationship with Maria. And that's such a 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:20.339 huge central part of the film. I don't feel like, 00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:24.299 like, I don't know. The way it's such, I feel 00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:27.220 like it doesn't know how to handle that per se. 00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:30.240 And I almost, at one point, I legitimately did 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:31.480 think they killed her. I'm like, oh, they're 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.940 just, they're just killing her? But she somehow 00:24:34.940 --> 00:24:37.480 ends up surviving. But I just thought, yeah, 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.240 like I thought, I think you mentioned clumsy. 00:24:39.380 --> 00:24:40.940 And clumsy is a good word for me, a good word 00:24:40.940 --> 00:24:42.519 for it. Because I just think when it came to 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:44.799 that, when it comes to the characters. none of 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.980 them are nearly as strong. Like if, and it's 00:24:47.980 --> 00:24:50.579 hard not to like, and I think perhaps watching 00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:55.039 it right after, you know, the, you know, what 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.000 it's clearly inspired by. It's hard not to just 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.660 like think it's less by comparison because I 00:24:59.660 --> 00:25:04.180 think ultimately is, but I think there are elements 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:07.660 beyond that. Like I can watch away. Like I'm 00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:11.440 generally glad I watched it, but I do think it 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.680 suffers from just a narrative that, is lacking 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.200 when it comes to precision with its character 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:21.900 development and motivations. And then, like, 00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:25.740 it struggles from getting through point A to 00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:28.039 point B to point C in its, like, final third. 00:25:28.539 --> 00:25:30.480 Just, like, it wants to get to that final shootout, 00:25:30.619 --> 00:25:33.799 and it doesn't necessarily know how to get there, 00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:35.500 so it's like, I don't know, he just loses the 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:37.799 coffin in the quicksand. And we just, it's like, 00:25:37.819 --> 00:25:40.799 so, yeah. And it's like I said, some of the editing 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.680 could have been better in a few scenes, like, 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.299 to speed things up a bit. Um, what did you think 00:25:45.299 --> 00:25:50.420 of, uh, I also, I was hugely distracted by what, 00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:53.200 what has to be a descendant of Abraham Lincoln. 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:55.559 Cause that guy looked like, I'm like, that has 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:57.559 to be like the one guy that gets his ear cut 00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.720 off. I'm like that guy. I'm like fed to him. 00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:03.220 Yeah. Like that's, is he meant to look like that 00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:04.980 has to be Abraham Lincoln's descendant. Right. 00:26:05.019 --> 00:26:10.720 Cause like he, he looks like him, you know, he's 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:14.339 like, yeah. A lot of stuff was distracting. I 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:16.960 think the thing that I come across most with 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.099 this is like, I would never suggest someone to 00:26:19.099 --> 00:26:21.819 watch this after A Fistful of Dollars. Yeah. 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.220 I feel like you need to be removed from that. 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.859 If anything beforehand, I think. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 00:26:28.900 --> 00:26:31.119 Because otherwise it's hard not to watch this 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:32.759 film and be like, okay, this is the sequence 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.099 from A Fistful of Dollars. Like, it's not that 00:26:36.099 --> 00:26:37.960 it's like shot for shot, like the same movie. 00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:41.420 I get that it's influenced by it. And I get that 00:26:41.420 --> 00:26:43.380 they're both being influenced by another, you 00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:45.880 know, Yojimbo or whatever, which I have not seen. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.799 But maybe I don't need to because I feel like 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.519 I get the gist of it. But it's probably better 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.160 in Yojimbo. But it's hard not to see that and 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.759 be like, well, that's where we were at in that 00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.099 other film. But in Fistful of Dollars, it was 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:02.119 done better. Or it was executed a little bit 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.299 more smooth. Or there was more charisma or tension 00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:07.259 built up in the moment. So it's like every single 00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:10.339 thing. Yeah. when it comes to getting the money 00:27:10.339 --> 00:27:12.220 and when it comes to like the, you know, the 00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:13.819 double cross. And when it comes to just like 00:27:13.819 --> 00:27:16.660 coming into the city and, and being in the middle 00:27:16.660 --> 00:27:19.160 of two different feuds, like, I guess in this 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.900 one, we're going to ratchet it up a little bit 00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:24.559 and make one half of them clan members. Like 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:29.819 it's bizarre. And then like, I feel like it's 00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:32.460 like, let's do a lot of the stuff that happened 00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:35.380 in that other film, but then let's ratchet the 00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:41.880 violence up to like 11. Not that I'm anti -violence 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.319 in movies or whatever. It doesn't affect me unless 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.079 it's extreme and very graphic, but it definitely 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:50.839 ratchets it up here. I know I read something 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:52.799 that it was banned in some places because it 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.980 was too violent or had trouble with what rating 00:27:54.980 --> 00:27:56.539 it was going to get, but you do have a lot of 00:27:56.539 --> 00:27:59.099 violence, right? Not that you don't get some 00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:01.579 violence in the Fistful of Dollars trilogy where 00:28:01.579 --> 00:28:04.099 Clint Eastwood's getting beat up and different 00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:06.339 things of that nature. You do have that, but 00:28:06.339 --> 00:28:08.140 there's something different about how it's executed 00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:11.849 here. Whether it be when his hands get, you know, 00:28:11.849 --> 00:28:17.170 beat to smithereens. Or, you know, we have some, 00:28:17.250 --> 00:28:19.670 like, rapey scenes. And we have, like, horses 00:28:19.670 --> 00:28:22.809 going, like, down. And we have a dude's ear getting 00:28:22.809 --> 00:28:25.009 ripped off and fed to him before he's getting 00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.630 killed. Like, it was just, like, there was a 00:28:27.630 --> 00:28:31.710 lot. And that's not even, like, touching the 00:28:31.710 --> 00:28:33.509 fact that, you know, this machine gun is mowing 00:28:33.509 --> 00:28:35.650 down, like, dozens of people. That's, like... 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.480 that's yeah not very affecting from an emotional 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.099 standpoint because it comes across as like red 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:46.119 laser blue laser like something you would see 00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.960 in like star wars or gi joe at that point like 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.460 you can't take it serious because it's just a 00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:53.079 bunch of people falling down and whatnot so to 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.160 me i've never affected by that type of violence 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.119 but some of the other violences like they definitely 00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.880 ratcheted or you know leveled up the violence 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.559 and i don't know if i always understood the reason 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.690 for all of it besides i'm not saying they were 00:29:06.690 --> 00:29:09.869 doing it for shock value but like i don't know 00:29:09.869 --> 00:29:12.289 like i guess maybe i wasn't following 100 with 00:29:12.289 --> 00:29:16.130 like what that added to the the story overall 00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:18.910 yeah they certainly wanted you to show like how 00:29:18.910 --> 00:29:21.549 evil these people were to like make you want 00:29:21.549 --> 00:29:23.910 to see them get their comeuppance but like it 00:29:23.910 --> 00:29:28.269 did feel like we got that very like and it just 00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:30.529 kept going further like we had those sequences 00:29:30.529 --> 00:29:33.960 where they were you know i don't even know game 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.819 they were playing basically the people would 00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:39.220 run away and then they would you know they would 00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:41.980 shoot them you know they were like the the the 00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:44.640 clan you know i don't want to i forget what the 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.160 name of the actual game was um and they and they 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.319 did it and they kept doing it and they just kept 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.859 going back to that like i feel like we got it 00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.920 and then they just kept pushing that scene further 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.059 and further and i i felt like you didn't need 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:02.299 like once you establish what they were doing 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.779 at some point you're just reveling in that, in 00:30:05.779 --> 00:30:09.220 that violence. You're not like you're, you're 00:30:09.220 --> 00:30:11.180 not judging those characters. You're trying to 00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:14.500 exploit that violence for your own gain. And 00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:17.000 so like, that's, that's kind of, again, like 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.819 that's where it gets a little icky. Like, again, 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.640 I don't, again, we're both Tarantino fans of 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.859 his, you know, and I feel like he, in the sense 00:30:26.859 --> 00:30:30.559 of like, I do think he treats violence and like 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.700 people complain about the way he does violence 00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.500 sometimes. And I think there's, there's reasons 00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:40.960 for it, but I do think typically he knows like 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:46.099 when to cut the line or. At least I can point 00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:48.619 to, I feel like there's a purpose there. At times 00:30:48.619 --> 00:30:51.000 here, I struggled to find it, especially with 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.539 some of those scenes that just kept going and 00:30:52.539 --> 00:30:54.640 going and going. And the fact that they kept 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.720 going and just also weren't very entertaining 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.599 on top of that. So it was a combination of the 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.619 two. There were scenes that did work for me that 00:31:03.619 --> 00:31:07.180 I think that were able to accomplish both. I 00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:08.839 generally think that the ear -cutting scene, 00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:11.119 even though it was gruesome, I think that scene 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.049 actually did work. it did maybe go on a little 00:31:14.049 --> 00:31:15.890 bit. Once you put it in the guy's ear, I'm like, 00:31:15.990 --> 00:31:18.069 okay, maybe we were a little, maybe like, maybe 00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:19.970 that was just the actor in the moment. You know, 00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:21.309 that could have been something, you know, just 00:31:21.309 --> 00:31:23.829 like ad -libbing and they just went with it perhaps. 00:31:24.950 --> 00:31:29.670 But yeah, but yeah, I can, I could understand. 00:31:29.769 --> 00:31:32.990 It is a good point to bring up because, because 00:31:32.990 --> 00:31:37.609 we did not see that with like the, all the films 00:31:37.609 --> 00:31:39.589 we've seen thus far because, you know, Westerns 00:31:39.589 --> 00:31:45.009 have violence, but. Usually it doesn't get to 00:31:45.009 --> 00:31:47.990 this level. Although there are some that we'll 00:31:47.990 --> 00:31:52.450 get to later in our retrospective that are known 00:31:52.450 --> 00:31:54.529 to be perhaps even more violent. So we'll see 00:31:54.529 --> 00:31:57.509 what happens with those. Yeah, and I do think 00:31:57.509 --> 00:32:00.029 there's a couple times where they come up with 00:32:00.029 --> 00:32:03.910 some clever ways for the machine guns placement 00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:10.069 or how they get from here to there. some surprise 00:32:10.069 --> 00:32:11.849 things and stuff like that but then at the also 00:32:11.849 --> 00:32:14.730 the same time you're like how easy is this machine 00:32:14.730 --> 00:32:18.910 gun to drag around in a coffin like i gotta have 00:32:18.910 --> 00:32:21.230 to suspend some disbelief here on how how we're 00:32:21.230 --> 00:32:22.970 getting all of this stuff from point a to point 00:32:22.970 --> 00:32:25.490 b and it's just all working but there was like 00:32:25.490 --> 00:32:27.529 i think there was a couple couple times where 00:32:27.529 --> 00:32:29.130 it was okay that was kind of clever with what 00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:30.890 you did there and then there was other parts 00:32:30.890 --> 00:32:32.869 where you're just like this is somewhat laughable 00:32:32.869 --> 00:32:37.329 or like or you know the the amount of bullets 00:32:37.329 --> 00:32:39.410 it can have before yeah because like you're thinking 00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:41.230 about like world war ii when they had those guns 00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:45.390 like they they didn't have a a long um amount 00:32:45.390 --> 00:32:47.230 of time that they could go without having to 00:32:47.230 --> 00:32:49.769 reload so considering this was this era like 00:32:49.769 --> 00:32:51.910 they certainly stretched that out especially 00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:54.349 the time when he was trying to you know get away 00:32:54.349 --> 00:32:58.910 from um you know the mexicans and like they he 00:32:58.910 --> 00:33:01.109 let it fire. I'm like, there's no way it's lasting 00:33:01.109 --> 00:33:02.930 that long. He's getting in there. He's in the 00:33:02.930 --> 00:33:04.769 horses. This is like a good 10 minute sequence 00:33:04.769 --> 00:33:08.869 at this point. But I mean, that's like, at one 00:33:08.869 --> 00:33:10.490 point I thought this was going to be time travel 00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:13.170 story. So I'm not, I'm not going to get all that 00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:16.609 mad about realism, but it is certainly something 00:33:16.609 --> 00:33:20.000 where it's like. This is stretching the elements 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.160 of reality, but at the same time, when you open 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.680 the scene with a dude in the desert walking with 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.839 a casket, you're not trying to pretend that this 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.480 is any type of real world, so I'm not going to 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.680 really complain about that too much. So I do 00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.359 have a question for you. I know you sent me a 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.940 list that had, I think it was IMDB or whatever, 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.619 that had the 30 plus Django films that have come 00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:48.750 out since then. number one will you be watching 00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:51.210 any of the unofficial sequels or do you have 00:33:51.210 --> 00:33:54.329 a desire to watch the 1987 film jango strikes 00:33:54.329 --> 00:33:57.970 again i did try i did re -watch another jango 00:33:57.970 --> 00:34:01.950 film uh it was uh let me see which one i watched 00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:04.690 just because i was curious like what is you know 00:34:04.690 --> 00:34:07.329 how do they what is it like compared to this 00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:13.179 one and i will say uh let me what was it um Django 00:34:13.179 --> 00:34:17.039 If You Live Shoot. Sorry, I watched Django Kill 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:21.340 If You Live Shoot, which came out in 1967, which 00:34:21.340 --> 00:34:23.760 was like a year after the original Django came 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.719 out, which I think is kind of crazy because you 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.619 have the good, the bad, the ugly that comes out 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:34.000 in 1966. Django comes out in 1966 as well. And 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.960 then Django Kills comes out. A year after that. 00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:41.840 So you can imagine how quickly they were trying 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:46.679 to put that together. And it makes Django look 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.699 like the good and the bad and the ugly. It's 00:34:48.699 --> 00:34:53.579 not very good at all. It's pretty awful. I thought 00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:56.900 it's, again, a similar thing. It's a copy of 00:34:56.900 --> 00:35:01.179 a copy of a copy of a copy. And it deals with 00:35:01.179 --> 00:35:05.059 a lot of similar ideas. town basically is like 00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:08.119 trying to it's it does have an interesting concept 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.300 where it's like this town is trying to keep out 00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:15.000 evil people it maybe goes too far with it but 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.920 it's just like the acting in it the characters 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:24.360 um just are like it made me appreciate um it 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.199 made me appreciate jango so much more because 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.079 like oh man this it could be so so so much worse 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.739 like it it made me realize like franco nero compared 00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:36.079 to the actors and that was like you know he was 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.940 like top billing you know he was amazing so i 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:41.400 would and that was like because i researched 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.139 to see like what are some of the more well -regarded 00:35:44.139 --> 00:35:46.679 django sequels and that was one that people mentioned 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.780 i'm like i didn't like that so i i'm curious 00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:52.860 i'm curious about the 1987 one because the poster 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:54.579 makes it look like it's something from like mad 00:35:54.579 --> 00:35:59.170 max but i It's 1987, and we know what that was 00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:02.469 like. It's set 20 years... The character's 20 00:36:02.469 --> 00:36:05.250 years older, and they actually are 20 years past. 00:36:05.750 --> 00:36:10.949 67 to 87 is 20 years. The poster just looks fascinating 00:36:10.949 --> 00:36:14.510 to me for Django Strikes Again. I don't know 00:36:14.510 --> 00:36:16.550 if I'll ever watch it, but it definitely looks 00:36:16.550 --> 00:36:20.809 like... I would probably give it a try. I held 00:36:20.809 --> 00:36:23.369 off because I didn't want to... I don't think 00:36:23.369 --> 00:36:25.530 I could ever confuse them, but I figured I'll 00:36:25.530 --> 00:36:28.929 focus on this and maybe down the line. But no, 00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:32.590 I have not seen that. But watching that other 00:36:32.590 --> 00:36:34.429 Django film definitely made me appreciate this 00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:37.250 Django film so much more. Oh, that's good. It 00:36:37.250 --> 00:36:40.170 worked for something. So Dan, I mean, this one 00:36:40.170 --> 00:36:43.829 obviously is very well received. It's got an 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:47.369 incredible score on Rotten Tomatoes. It's obviously 00:36:47.369 --> 00:36:51.750 influenced Tarantino. It's, I think, like... 00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:56.489 generally seen as one of the better or more influential 00:36:56.489 --> 00:37:00.949 of the spaghetti westerns like can you see where 00:37:00.949 --> 00:37:03.230 some of that's coming from or do you feel like 00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:06.170 there's a disconnect here or it's i mean it's 00:37:06.170 --> 00:37:08.530 ranked very high on most spaghetti western film 00:37:08.530 --> 00:37:11.409 lists well i think i guess it's hard because 00:37:11.409 --> 00:37:13.989 this is obviously like the fourth or fifth spaghetti 00:37:13.989 --> 00:37:18.369 western i've seen and i would say compared to 00:37:18.369 --> 00:37:21.070 the other spaghetti westerns it's because it's 00:37:21.759 --> 00:37:23.659 better than no so that certainly makes sense 00:37:23.659 --> 00:37:26.440 um i like compared like the rotten tomato score 00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:28.619 is pretty high but there's also only like 17 00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:32.719 reviews so that like makes me think okay there's 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.760 probably the people that have rated it or like 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.579 fans of it so that's um you know that makes sense 00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:42.199 so i i um like i said i probably if i graded 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:44.559 it i probably would give it a passing grade like 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.159 a you know like a whatever you would call that 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.260 but like i wouldn't necessarily It's hard for 00:37:50.260 --> 00:37:52.159 me to rate it compared to other spaghetti westerns 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.639 outside of the ones we've seen thus far. I wouldn't 00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:00.159 call it one of the best westerns I've seen. It's 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.840 clearly not in the area of what we've seen thus 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.239 far. I understand its influences. I certainly 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.440 could see why people would respect it the way 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:13.920 they do. If you were going to go into this, or 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.460 if you were going to go into the westerns like 00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:18.329 we are, I definitely would say... watch this 00:38:18.329 --> 00:38:21.170 before the man with no name trilogy first because 00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:24.190 i do think it helps like level the expectations 00:38:24.190 --> 00:38:26.690 a little bit because i don't think it's in the 00:38:26.690 --> 00:38:29.010 same caliber i think it is a major step down 00:38:29.010 --> 00:38:33.309 personally compared to the level of what we what 00:38:33.309 --> 00:38:36.449 we got previously outside of having a you know 00:38:36.449 --> 00:38:38.510 a killer theme song and things like that i think 00:38:38.510 --> 00:38:41.409 it's a lot of great flash a lot of great you 00:38:41.409 --> 00:38:46.420 know um exploitation here and there, but I think 00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:49.559 the substance isn't quite as strong. Have you 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:55.400 seen the Django TV series from 2023? No, there 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.440 was a Django TV series. I don't think it's an 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:05.300 American -made TV series. It's 10 episodes in 00:39:05.300 --> 00:39:10.000 2023. It's just called Django. I don't know any 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.440 of the people involved with it. yeah apparently 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.539 apparently it exists so if you're super intrigued 00:39:17.539 --> 00:39:20.119 about getting as much jango in your life as possible 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.739 don't worry you have like 30 sequels a tv series 00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:26.300 and other things that you can you can go explore 00:39:26.300 --> 00:39:28.820 it so yeah there's an endless supply there's 00:39:28.820 --> 00:39:31.559 even like you know um like foreign jango films 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.039 because there's like a i own a japanese like 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.860 a um there's like a japanese a django movie that 00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:40.139 blu -ray that i've owned since like 20 i got 00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:41.800 it like shortly after watching django and chain 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.019 i've yet to watch it though it's one of those 00:39:44.019 --> 00:39:47.420 things i've owned forever um but yeah no i have 00:39:47.420 --> 00:39:50.039 not seen that but maybe i'll give it give it 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:55.199 a shot apparently it's it's been like it's inspired 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.639 a lot of stuff like there's all kinds of anime 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.280 that seems like it's been inspired by it there's 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:03.280 some video games that seem like they yeah are 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.639 aware of it so like And I get that because, like 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.219 I said, the imagery is amazing. I just think 00:40:09.219 --> 00:40:14.079 the story itself, when you get beyond that, it's 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.719 not... The story itself, the sense of the framework's 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.360 there because it's Yojimbo, but the connecting 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:25.239 tissue, the actual depth of it isn't as strong 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.199 because it's hard to be because you're trying 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.420 to take a story that was already done and then 00:40:31.420 --> 00:40:33.960 done again and then trying to redo it a third 00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:41.420 time. It's three -day -old leftovers that you 00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:44.039 reheated last night. They're just not going to 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:49.820 be as good. Very fair. I am intrigued on where 00:40:49.820 --> 00:40:51.820 we go from here with our next Spaghetti Western, 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.559 going back to Sergio Leone now to see Once Upon 00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.159 a Time in the West, which was from 1968. Dan, 00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:01.699 have you seen this one already? Yeah. So this 00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:04.920 spoiler alert, because this is one I have seen. 00:41:04.940 --> 00:41:07.780 And if you remember back when we did our top 00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:10.559 100 lists of favorite films, this was on my top 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.739 100 list of all time. This is one of my personal 00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:17.219 favorite Westerns. So when you talk about spaghetti 00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:20.380 Westerns, this is one I consider one of the greatest 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:22.840 of all time. All right. Setting the bar high 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.260 now. My expectations have been raised. Yeah. 00:41:25.340 --> 00:41:30.340 Not to create. raised super high expectations 00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:33.739 but considering you did enjoy elements of the 00:41:33.739 --> 00:41:37.840 the man with no name trilogy i do think it at 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.699 least leans in the right direction because i 00:41:39.699 --> 00:41:43.619 do think what things that you liked before you 00:41:43.619 --> 00:41:49.920 may see again and again i saw them um uh once 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.420 upon a time in the west before i ever saw the 00:41:52.420 --> 00:41:54.969 man with no name trilogy so okay it definitely 00:41:54.969 --> 00:41:57.250 has a star -studded cast with henry fonda jason 00:41:57.250 --> 00:42:00.130 robards charles bronson lionel stander like there's 00:42:00.130 --> 00:42:01.849 a lot of people i've recognized from here so 00:42:01.849 --> 00:42:05.210 yeah i'm definitely intrigued and if you remember 00:42:05.210 --> 00:42:07.909 with the man with no name trilogy like the only 00:42:07.909 --> 00:42:11.469 one is all them for for those films right and 00:42:11.469 --> 00:42:14.389 it eventually finally got them for this so and 00:42:14.389 --> 00:42:18.070 i'm also intrigued because like i have seen i 00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:19.750 don't know if i've seen it in its entirety or 00:42:19.750 --> 00:42:21.630 if it's just been a long time but i did see once 00:42:21.630 --> 00:42:24.949 upon a time in america which i feel like now 00:42:24.949 --> 00:42:26.389 i'm gonna have to like re -watch after i watch 00:42:26.389 --> 00:42:28.510 once upon a time in the west even though they're 00:42:28.510 --> 00:42:30.309 not necessarily connected in any way shape or 00:42:30.309 --> 00:42:32.630 form but yeah um that was my introduction to 00:42:32.630 --> 00:42:34.389 sergio leone like back when i was a teenager 00:42:34.389 --> 00:42:36.989 watching once upon a time in america because 00:42:36.989 --> 00:42:39.230 i think it was just something i came across when 00:42:39.230 --> 00:42:41.909 i was working at target after i was like after 00:42:41.909 --> 00:42:44.329 i had discovered goodfellas and the godfather 00:42:44.329 --> 00:42:45.969 and stuff like that and i was like well let's 00:42:45.969 --> 00:42:48.309 let's check this one out too so uh and it's got 00:42:48.309 --> 00:42:50.889 a cool had a cool dvd case back in the day so 00:42:50.889 --> 00:42:54.639 that's my uh A very loose connection to Sergio 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.820 Leone, I guess, from early days. But I'm intrigued 00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:59.019 to watch this one and see how it kind of stacks 00:42:59.019 --> 00:43:02.500 up against everything else as we kind of round 00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:04.699 out our Spaghetti Western coverage before we 00:43:04.699 --> 00:43:07.280 move into what will be an intriguing look at 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.260 some originals and remakes, which we'll talk 00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:13.099 more of on our next episode. Dan, any closing 00:43:13.099 --> 00:43:17.570 thoughts on Django? No, I got nothing else, but 00:43:17.570 --> 00:43:19.429 looking forward to next week. Hopefully I didn't 00:43:19.429 --> 00:43:22.650 set the bar too high. I'll go in with an open 00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:24.769 mind here. And I think it works, you know, in 00:43:24.769 --> 00:43:28.050 the session or in the series of our order that 00:43:28.050 --> 00:43:30.289 we've watched things that it'll be interesting 00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:33.590 to watch after these other four. 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