WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.560 Hi, this is John Delancey and you are listening 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:19.079 to the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello and welcome 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:22.239 to episode 235 of the Cinema Geeks. I'm one of 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.199 your Cinema Geeks Optimus Solo and joining me 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:27.379 as usual is Dan. Hello. Hey, how's it going? 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.980 It's going well and we are back for a new beginning 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:34.359 of another series We kind of teased it a little 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:36.939 bit at the end of the last episode But just in 00:00:36.939 --> 00:00:40.280 case people weren't tuned in to our most anticipated 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.520 films of 2026 Dan Why don't you fill them in 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.460 on what we are about to do for our next little 00:00:46.460 --> 00:00:48.979 journey here on the cinema gigs? We are going 00:00:48.979 --> 00:00:52.460 back to the old west We've been thinking about 00:00:52.460 --> 00:00:55.359 doing a Western retrospective forever now. I 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:57.600 think for both of us There are a lot of Westerns 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.259 out there that we have yet to see. And we're 00:01:00.259 --> 00:01:03.460 going to go ahead and get that started. And we'll 00:01:03.460 --> 00:01:05.859 talk about searchers today. We're kind of getting 00:01:05.859 --> 00:01:08.000 the rest of the schedule put together, but I 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.099 think we're going to try to hit some of all the 00:01:11.099 --> 00:01:12.819 different types of Westerns that have existed 00:01:12.819 --> 00:01:14.599 throughout, you know, some of the big ones, some 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:16.879 of the ones that maybe we've always wanted to 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.480 watch because I think it's been a big blind spot 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.840 for us in a lot of different ways. So I thought 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.330 it'd be a good time to kind of do that. Obviously 00:01:25.330 --> 00:01:27.609 last year we did the Hitchcock retrospective 00:01:27.609 --> 00:01:29.790 and Gary Grant But thought we would meet we thought 00:01:29.790 --> 00:01:32.450 we'd go to like a genre this time around and 00:01:32.450 --> 00:01:35.129 see how it goes from there Yeah, directors actors 00:01:35.129 --> 00:01:36.890 genre. We'll have to come up with something completely 00:01:36.890 --> 00:01:38.390 different for the next one I don't know what 00:01:38.390 --> 00:01:40.790 what's gonna be but yeah Yeah, it's definitely 00:01:40.790 --> 00:01:43.870 it's it's a blind spot for me a lot in like if 00:01:43.870 --> 00:01:46.129 you look at lists of like that always feels weird 00:01:46.129 --> 00:01:48.609 to say the best Westerns because I always think 00:01:48.609 --> 00:01:51.629 of the hotel chain or whatever but But when you 00:01:51.629 --> 00:01:54.560 think about the best Westerns out there I have 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.599 so many blind spots, which is the reason I say 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.739 it's weird is because I grew up loving westerns, 00:01:59.739 --> 00:02:02.519 like the western genre, just not necessarily 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.000 the movies. I'm sure my family, my parents didn't 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:06.900 necessarily let me watch a bunch of shoot them 00:02:06.900 --> 00:02:10.680 up like westerns, but we definitely watched a 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.740 lot of western TV shows. Like I remember the 00:02:14.740 --> 00:02:17.780 Young Riders being a big thing that we watched 00:02:17.780 --> 00:02:21.939 back in the day, some Dr. Quinn medicine, like 00:02:21.939 --> 00:02:24.830 there was, And I have been exposed to some Western 00:02:24.830 --> 00:02:26.930 films and I've always enjoyed them. So it's just 00:02:26.930 --> 00:02:28.469 weird that it's always been kind of a thing that 00:02:28.469 --> 00:02:31.009 I haven't gone into the past to, like, check 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:33.969 out all of the films that existed before I was 00:02:33.969 --> 00:02:37.229 exposed to those. You've seen a few here and 00:02:37.229 --> 00:02:39.310 there, but what do you think is one of the main, 00:02:39.449 --> 00:02:41.909 like, can you pinpoint why you haven't kind of 00:02:41.909 --> 00:02:46.150 done a deep dive into the genre as a whole? Honestly, 00:02:46.169 --> 00:02:48.210 because, like, I always think that they're always 00:02:48.210 --> 00:02:51.969 really long. I really have three and a half hours 00:02:51.969 --> 00:02:56.340 to... to despair and i feel like to i do i do 00:02:56.340 --> 00:02:58.159 like reading western westerns i love western 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.599 comics but and similarly i have you know grow 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.740 up like watching uh we watched like lone ranger 00:03:04.740 --> 00:03:09.740 and mir rogers and stuff like that but i don't 00:03:09.740 --> 00:03:11.800 necessarily know i think it's kind of kind of 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.680 the the length of them too and it's just one 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.319 of those things where it's like um you know uh 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.419 i don't know it's like john wane has never been 00:03:20.419 --> 00:03:24.009 i always have this idea of like Thinking that 00:03:24.009 --> 00:03:25.889 they're gonna be boring and uninteresting. I 00:03:25.889 --> 00:03:29.509 don't know. Maybe that's kind of hindered my 00:03:29.509 --> 00:03:33.409 my I think wants to go and check them out, but 00:03:33.409 --> 00:03:34.990 I don't know It's kind of one of those things 00:03:34.990 --> 00:03:37.530 that keep pushing off, but I'm excited to finally 00:03:37.530 --> 00:03:41.110 dive back in I think too it can be a genre that 00:03:41.110 --> 00:03:44.830 is somewhat intimidating because it feels I'm 00:03:44.830 --> 00:03:46.409 sure this is true with other genres, but when 00:03:46.409 --> 00:03:49.629 you're dealing with like an actor or a director 00:03:49.629 --> 00:03:52.830 you're generally limited to a certain number 00:03:52.830 --> 00:03:54.729 of films. So yes, there are actors and directors 00:03:54.729 --> 00:03:57.050 that have done a lot, but you can generally kind 00:03:57.050 --> 00:04:00.250 of feel like you're getting the main films. And 00:04:00.250 --> 00:04:02.389 when you're talking about a genre, especially 00:04:02.389 --> 00:04:05.189 like the Western, because of how many were being 00:04:05.189 --> 00:04:08.870 made, especially in the silent film era, and 00:04:08.870 --> 00:04:10.590 then like, if you want to take like, I don't 00:04:10.590 --> 00:04:14.300 know, 1920s through 19... 50s, like it just feels 00:04:14.300 --> 00:04:16.759 like there was a million Westerns. So I feel 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:18.600 like it's also somewhat intimidating to be like, 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.459 where do you start? Which direction do you go? 00:04:21.819 --> 00:04:23.620 And we even did a little of that as we talked 00:04:23.620 --> 00:04:26.060 through like how we're going to go about this 00:04:26.060 --> 00:04:28.939 little retrospective is kind of like, what direction 00:04:28.939 --> 00:04:31.819 do you do? Do you do chronological orders? Do 00:04:31.819 --> 00:04:33.959 you do like the different sub -genres of the 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.920 Westerns? Like it's, there's a lot in the genre 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:38.420 overall. So I think that's one thing that's always 00:04:38.420 --> 00:04:40.459 been like, I don't know where to start exactly. 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.259 Like if you want to do mobs or films, Pretty 00:04:43.259 --> 00:04:46.160 self -explanatory, right? Like, you watch Godfather, 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.040 you watch Goodfellas, you watch Casino, you watch 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.740 Once Upon a Time. Like, there's certain ones 00:04:51.740 --> 00:04:53.699 that you just know you go to, and there are the 00:04:53.699 --> 00:04:55.920 really famous Westerns, but there's also just 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:58.180 so many probably hidden gems and other ones that 00:04:58.180 --> 00:05:00.519 it's like, it's always been intimidating to me. 00:05:00.540 --> 00:05:02.819 So I'm excited that we're getting into it today. 00:05:03.420 --> 00:05:06.300 Like Dan said, we are going to be covering the... 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.439 1939 John Ford film stagecoach and Dan has come 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.000 with the facts for us to kind of set the stage 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:14.720 so we're going to listen to those and then we'll 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:16.759 get into our thoughts after we watch the film. 00:05:17.699 --> 00:05:20.519 And just like that we are starting a new retrospective 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.680 as we head off to the old west. looking at John 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.560 Ford's 1939 classic, Stagecoach. The story follows 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.480 a group of strangers who board a stagecoach traveling 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.339 through dangerous Apache territory from Tonto 00:05:33.339 --> 00:05:36.339 to Lawrenceburg in the Arizona Territory. The 00:05:36.339 --> 00:05:38.860 passengers include a disgraced prostitute, an 00:05:38.860 --> 00:05:41.500 alcoholic doctor, a pregnant officer's wife, 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.240 a southern gambler, a crop banker, and along 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.279 the way, they pick up Ringo Kidd, played by the 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.240 iconic John Wayne, an escaped outlaw seeking 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.899 revenge on the man who killed his father and 00:05:52.899 --> 00:05:55.759 brother. Though under arrest, Ringo joins the 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.839 journey as tensions grow among the passengers, 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.600 exposing social prejudice and hypocrisy. When 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:02.759 the group is attacked by Apaches, they narrowly 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.899 survive thanks to dramatic Calvary rescue. In 00:06:05.899 --> 00:06:08.259 Loisburg, the banker is arrested for theft and 00:06:08.259 --> 00:06:10.519 Ringo confirms the outlaws he's been hunting, 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.160 killing them in the final showdown. In the end, 00:06:13.300 --> 00:06:15.540 the sheriff allows Ringo to escape with Dallas 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:18.379 so they can start a new life together. Although 00:06:18.379 --> 00:06:20.560 he appeared in many low -budget westerns, Stagecoach 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.600 was the breakout role that turned John Wayne 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.519 into the major star we know him as today. The 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:27.959 impact of Stagecoach is far and wide, including 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.819 Orson Welles reporting and watching Stagecoach 00:06:29.819 --> 00:06:32.220 a dozen times while preparing to make Citizen 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:34.939 Kane studying its structure and visual storytelling. 00:06:35.420 --> 00:06:37.079 This is also the movie that made Monument Valley 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.839 the backdrop of the American West. Before this, 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.000 it wasn't used all that often, but John Ford 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.620 insisted on shooting there and ever since, it's 00:06:44.620 --> 00:06:47.250 been synonymous with the genre. But how does 00:06:47.250 --> 00:06:49.410 it hold up all these years later? Is it a good 00:06:49.410 --> 00:06:51.930 entry point into the genre? Anything about it 00:06:51.930 --> 00:06:55.250 that doesn't exactly hold up in 2026? Back to 00:06:55.250 --> 00:06:58.370 Kevin and myself to discuss. All right, Dan, 00:06:58.389 --> 00:07:01.529 so we have this as the poster says a powerful 00:07:01.529 --> 00:07:05.949 story of nine strange people. What is your first 00:07:05.949 --> 00:07:10.230 reaction and impression after watching the stagecoach? 00:07:10.430 --> 00:07:12.050 So yeah, going into this, you know, I mentioned 00:07:12.050 --> 00:07:14.129 there's a lot of blind spots and this is one. 00:07:14.250 --> 00:07:16.149 This is one I have not seen. I've seen other 00:07:16.269 --> 00:07:18.970 john ford films and other ones that we will cover 00:07:18.970 --> 00:07:21.910 so i was intrigued to go back and see like this 00:07:21.910 --> 00:07:23.949 wasn't his first film i think this was actually 00:07:23.949 --> 00:07:27.470 he did no silent films did a lot of westerns 00:07:27.470 --> 00:07:29.529 but this he took a big break and this was like 00:07:29.529 --> 00:07:32.529 his return back to the genre so i was intrigued 00:07:32.529 --> 00:07:36.810 to see like you know considering the other westerns 00:07:36.810 --> 00:07:40.560 that i saw like how much like Of the john ford 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.939 language was being developed a commercial was 00:07:42.939 --> 00:07:45.240 there and i think what's really telling with 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.800 this is that it's he's very economic with the 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.769 store. storytelling ultimately this story is 00:07:50.769 --> 00:07:53.490 very simple, you know, it's basically these people 00:07:53.490 --> 00:07:56.990 have to get from point A to point B and It's 00:07:56.990 --> 00:07:59.529 we are along that journey and the different challenges 00:07:59.529 --> 00:08:02.589 and because it's rather simple you get a collection 00:08:02.589 --> 00:08:05.410 of characters and their characters like right 00:08:05.410 --> 00:08:08.230 away you kind of know who they are by the way, 00:08:08.230 --> 00:08:11.759 they're dressed by the way, they sound and I 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:12.860 think it's one of these movies where I think 00:08:12.860 --> 00:08:14.420 you definitely have to try to meet it where it's 00:08:14.420 --> 00:08:17.939 at because things that seem very tropish, very 00:08:17.939 --> 00:08:21.019 like cliche. Well, you know, this wasn't by no 00:08:21.019 --> 00:08:24.240 means the invention of it. It certainly was not 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.699 as entrenched within that cliche. But I still 00:08:27.699 --> 00:08:29.860 think a lot of it still works. I still think, 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.320 like I said, John Ford seems to hold your hand, 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.799 but like in a good way. He points you exactly 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.980 where he wants you. What's important, what's 00:08:38.980 --> 00:08:41.200 interesting. Saying gives you these characters. 00:08:41.220 --> 00:08:43.799 Like I said that seemed very typical, but then 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.500 we do See different layers of them and maybe 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:49.600 or they're not as as what we seem, you know the 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.580 guy that may be Supposed to be the more upstanding 00:08:52.580 --> 00:08:54.440 citizen isn't and then the guy that's the drunk 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.779 maybe the person that saves the day things like 00:08:56.779 --> 00:09:00.879 that and then of course you have John Wayne and 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.159 one of the biggest movie stars of all time and 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:07.470 I've thought you know When i think of john we 00:09:07.470 --> 00:09:09.549 have to obviously think of you know my dad's 00:09:09.549 --> 00:09:11.769 era and things like that he's kind of that they're 00:09:11.769 --> 00:09:16.029 that era of a movie star and He does have it 00:09:16.029 --> 00:09:18.549 he does have similar to when we did Cary Grant 00:09:18.549 --> 00:09:22.850 Like he walks onto the screen and he has a presence 00:09:22.850 --> 00:09:25.129 to him maybe in a different way than Cary Grant 00:09:25.129 --> 00:09:27.370 But it's certainly there within this as well 00:09:27.929 --> 00:09:30.850 And then lastly like the stunts are still pretty 00:09:30.850 --> 00:09:33.570 impressive i'm like i feel bad for the horses 00:09:33.570 --> 00:09:36.789 because i'm certain that i like you know i didn't 00:09:36.789 --> 00:09:38.409 see the message no animals are harmed because 00:09:38.409 --> 00:09:42.009 i'm pretty sure some animals aren't in this and 00:09:42.009 --> 00:09:44.850 along with some humans but yeah i do think it's 00:09:44.850 --> 00:09:47.860 a good movie to start with because. I think it 00:09:47.860 --> 00:09:50.899 does give us like a good starting point of what 00:09:50.899 --> 00:09:52.399 you expect with the genre. Now there are some 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.120 issues we can get to and some things that don't 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.960 age well, certainly. But I was definitely glad 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.259 I watched it. And you feel like I was educated 00:10:00.259 --> 00:10:04.379 in a lot of ways regarding how this genre was 00:10:04.379 --> 00:10:08.759 able to really establish itself. Yeah, I was 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.460 intrigued by some things and almost taken aback 00:10:12.460 --> 00:10:14.460 by some things at the same time. So I'll kind 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:16.360 of get to a little of both of those things like 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:21.879 I think I read somewhere that films like this 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.559 one, Stagecoach, and films like what we covered 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.000 in our previous retrospective when we watched 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:29.720 Lifeboat, like that these types of films were 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.220 almost like a blueprint to what we would eventually 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:38.000 know as like the disaster genre of films where 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.159 you have a small select few people, whether it 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.629 be six, eight, nine people that are like in some 00:10:45.629 --> 00:10:47.830 sort of remote location, like on a lifeboat, 00:10:47.950 --> 00:10:49.730 they're in the boat, right? And here for the 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:53.190 majority they're on in the stagecoach. And it 00:10:53.190 --> 00:10:55.450 kind of gives you a blueprint for like how things 00:10:55.450 --> 00:10:57.970 happen in a disaster film, which is kind of a 00:10:57.970 --> 00:10:59.389 connection I would have never made on my own. 00:10:59.909 --> 00:11:01.590 So when I read that, I thought that was kind 00:11:01.590 --> 00:11:05.750 of interesting. I am learning and I'll probably 00:11:05.750 --> 00:11:07.789 learn throughout this whole retrospective of 00:11:07.789 --> 00:11:11.090 how much I don't know about this genre and how 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:13.889 much what I thought I knew was probably not correct. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.059 I think that's gonna be something that becomes 00:11:17.059 --> 00:11:20.220 evident because I don't know why I just always 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:23.019 figured John Wayne was just Always John Wayne 00:11:23.019 --> 00:11:26.519 like he was always like the big Western star 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.940 like the most famous Western actor of all time 00:11:29.940 --> 00:11:32.840 and and all of this stuff but like any actor 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.580 like they had a beginning and this seems to be 00:11:35.580 --> 00:11:38.340 a good place to start for him for sure because 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:40.700 It seemed like they were really struggling to 00:11:40.700 --> 00:11:44.809 get him involved with this film because he was 00:11:44.809 --> 00:11:47.870 not known to be a successful or money -making 00:11:47.870 --> 00:11:54.570 actor. He had had some failures. We talked about 00:11:54.570 --> 00:11:55.850 it a little bit when we were talking about the 00:11:55.850 --> 00:12:00.629 Hitchcock series with Katharine Hepburn. Somehow 00:12:00.629 --> 00:12:05.090 getting this stereotype or this connotation that 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:07.450 they're not going to be good for your movie was 00:12:07.450 --> 00:12:10.330 something that I would have never thought was 00:12:10.330 --> 00:12:12.350 a thing for John Wayne. So that was kind of interesting. 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.360 Also, you know, some of the research I did for 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.100 this talks about how this film was one of the 00:12:20.100 --> 00:12:25.059 first sound westerns that had any amount of success 00:12:25.059 --> 00:12:27.320 and that had kind of been a lost genre since 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.480 the silent films. I didn't know that was a thing 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.580 necessarily, finding all of those things interesting. 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.320 And I do think it works as far as like you're 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.860 talking about. You have these nine, but. I don't 00:12:39.860 --> 00:12:41.620 know if strange is the right word, right? Like 00:12:41.620 --> 00:12:43.279 it's nine people that you, like you said, you 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:47.779 can very easily identify from even a tiny bit 00:12:47.779 --> 00:12:51.659 of what you know about Westerns where they all 00:12:51.659 --> 00:12:54.840 fit in, right? Like you have the guy that drinks 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.740 too much. Like we all know that's a thing in 00:12:57.740 --> 00:12:59.879 Westerns, right? Like you have the prostitute 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:04.899 angle. You have like all of these different people 00:13:04.899 --> 00:13:08.159 that you come, you already know exist within 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.299 the genre and it's interesting how they chose 00:13:11.299 --> 00:13:13.759 to pair them together and how they do this. It 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.240 also reminds me a little bit of the Tarantino 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.860 film too, which I'm completely blanking at the 00:13:18.860 --> 00:13:22.000 moment, The Hateful Eight. It's a similar thing, 00:13:22.139 --> 00:13:23.519 right? Like you put a bunch of people together 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.779 in kind of a ride and then obviously it goes 00:13:25.779 --> 00:13:29.100 further than that. So I did appreciate the limited 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:32.860 setting and kind of how we get a character piece 00:13:32.860 --> 00:13:34.779 almost on all of these nine folks and get to 00:13:34.779 --> 00:13:37.529 see Like not only the stereotype that they represent 00:13:37.529 --> 00:13:40.230 but also like you said how they subvert that 00:13:40.230 --> 00:13:42.450 in different ways So I thought that was what 00:13:42.450 --> 00:13:45.470 was good and going what this film had going for 00:13:45.470 --> 00:13:47.710 it and we can talk about maybe some things that 00:13:47.710 --> 00:13:51.309 didn't later one thing that I was originally 00:13:51.309 --> 00:13:55.070 thrown off by and I don't know if this is Part 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:57.769 of what we will see with Western films as we 00:13:57.769 --> 00:14:00.590 progress depending on what time period they're 00:14:00.590 --> 00:14:06.679 from What I expected When we started the Hitchcock 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.000 series and the Cary Grant series when we were 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:14.059 looking at films from like this era. When I was 00:14:14.059 --> 00:14:18.159 surprised in those other retrospectives. How 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.299 well those films like they didn't look old to 00:14:21.299 --> 00:14:26.080 me like they looked like. Polished almost in 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.179 a way and not as quote unquote old as I expected. 00:14:30.019 --> 00:14:32.679 When I watched this one, I could have sworn that 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.799 this. had to be filmed like decades before those. 00:14:36.940 --> 00:14:40.080 Like, I don't know if it's hard to do the Western 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.220 as, you know, compared to like what we saw with 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:44.720 some of those other films, but you wouldn't have 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.039 been able to tell me that His Girl Friday and 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:52.220 the Philadelphia story and Rebecca and some of 00:14:52.220 --> 00:14:54.980 those other films were taking place in the exact 00:14:54.980 --> 00:14:57.179 same year or within a year of Stagecoach. Like 00:14:57.179 --> 00:15:02.919 Stagecoach feels like more old timey to me. I 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:04.340 don't know exactly, but that was something that 00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:08.659 I immediately noticed. And I don't know where 00:15:08.659 --> 00:15:11.659 that's coming from exactly, but it was definitely 00:15:11.659 --> 00:15:13.600 something that was at the forefront when the 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.559 film started. It didn't bother me at all. It 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:17.559 didn't take away from the film, but I definitely 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:21.679 felt like this filmed before all of these. I've 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:23.259 been watching so many Cary Grant films, and it 00:15:23.259 --> 00:15:26.000 took me what felt like 17 years to get out of 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.399 his 1940s state. And and like then seeing this 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.500 and I was like this what was this from 1890? 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:33.720 Like was this from 1910? Like when was this? 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.120 Oh, it's 1939 Okay, like maybe it's because it's 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:38.679 more out in the open and you have to do these 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:40.700 action sequences and things like that But it 00:15:40.700 --> 00:15:43.440 definitely felt more classic and more old old 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.419 feel than yeah, I felt with those other ones. 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.120 What about you? I mean, it's interesting. I didn't 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.279 get I guess I felt I didn't Didn't seem that 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.590 way to me or if it did it felt like It was more 00:15:56.590 --> 00:16:01.389 so a product of the place at an earlier time. 00:16:05.009 --> 00:16:07.990 Where did you watch it? I was just curious. Did 00:16:07.990 --> 00:16:13.789 you watch it? I watched it streaming on, I can't 00:16:13.789 --> 00:16:17.309 remember where it was. I was just curious because 00:16:17.309 --> 00:16:19.669 I watched it through the Criterion channel, so 00:16:19.669 --> 00:16:23.879 it looked really good. Cause I know it's something 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.399 like Tubi and stuff like that. So I don't know 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.679 if like, you know, Tubi tends to put up, you 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:29.600 know, their, their ass doesn't look great, but 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.240 I don't know. Um, it might've been Tubi too. 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:33.960 And, but what you're saying too makes sense. 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:35.980 Like they are depicting an earlier time. So maybe 00:16:35.980 --> 00:16:37.980 some of it is almost intentional, but I thought 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:40.179 some of it might be because there was less, less 00:16:40.179 --> 00:16:44.259 ability for them to do it on like a set. Yeah. 00:16:44.259 --> 00:16:47.820 And it is more. Yeah. I mean, some stuff is done 00:16:47.820 --> 00:16:50.240 on a, clearly on a, on a sound stage. You're 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.299 on a set I get some of this stuff is you know, 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:55.360 like when they're inside the building In some 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.940 things a lot of this also had to be like I'm 00:16:57.940 --> 00:17:01.899 assuming on location in some respect. Yeah I 00:17:01.899 --> 00:17:03.539 think a lot of it was I mean a lot of those long 00:17:03.539 --> 00:17:05.599 shots of like them like traversing the land and 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:07.740 things like that, right? I never got the sense 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:10.500 that like it it felt you know, if anything like 00:17:10.500 --> 00:17:15.099 it was I it did feel like it was taking place 00:17:15.099 --> 00:17:18.910 within the time of that era and if So maybe in 00:17:18.910 --> 00:17:21.829 my mind it was it was making it was helping the 00:17:21.829 --> 00:17:25.450 idea because it just the way the you know The 00:17:25.450 --> 00:17:27.910 use of the Arizona landscape and stuff like that. 00:17:27.950 --> 00:17:31.150 You know, look you look gorgeous You know, I 00:17:31.150 --> 00:17:33.150 think that's why I didn't bother me It just I 00:17:33.150 --> 00:17:35.190 just felt like it just felt like it was filmed 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:37.950 in a time before but I get like what you're saying, 00:17:38.170 --> 00:17:41.240 too It's definitely in this pacing wise when 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.799 it comes to like the dialogue and the story It's 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:46.460 you know, we looking we compared it like his 00:17:46.460 --> 00:17:49.460 girl Friday, which is like so quick pace So like 00:17:49.460 --> 00:17:53.420 yeah back and forth. This is certainly like it's 00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:55.079 like a country song, right? You know, it's like, 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:56.920 you know compared to like something that's more 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.519 like of a jazz number or something like that 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.839 This is a bit, you know Of that area. Yeah, I 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.740 don't disagree in that sense where it's it's 00:18:08.410 --> 00:18:11.990 a little bit more mundane in its execution as 00:18:11.990 --> 00:18:15.509 a move from one moment to the next until the 00:18:15.509 --> 00:18:18.089 you know until the end until the conclusion right 00:18:18.089 --> 00:18:21.529 so getting into the nine folks that we're mostly 00:18:21.529 --> 00:18:24.750 dealing with right like uh well we'll i'll go 00:18:24.750 --> 00:18:26.029 ahead and list those off and then we can kind 00:18:26.029 --> 00:18:27.589 of touch on those guys a little bit so we have 00:18:27.589 --> 00:18:30.349 John Wayne as Ringo Kid who's kind of like the 00:18:30.349 --> 00:18:33.970 fugitive who's potentially got a date with a 00:18:33.970 --> 00:18:36.490 duel coming at some point is what they make it 00:18:36.490 --> 00:18:39.279 seem like we have Claire Trevor as Dallas who 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:41.240 does get top billing that was one of their ways 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.759 to try to like convince them to allow John Wayne 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:45.799 to be in this film was to give her top billing 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.579 because she was the bigger star and she plays 00:18:49.579 --> 00:18:52.700 the quote -unquote prostitute or the the individual 00:18:52.700 --> 00:18:55.539 that everybody is like looking down on that obviously 00:18:55.539 --> 00:18:59.599 John Wayne's character gets um a little bit close 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.019 to we have Lucy Mallory played by Louise Platt 00:19:02.019 --> 00:19:05.980 who is the wife of one of the individuals in 00:19:05.980 --> 00:19:08.990 the army that she's searching for We have Andy 00:19:08.990 --> 00:19:12.750 Vine and who is the I don't know what you call 00:19:12.750 --> 00:19:15.450 somebody that is the driver of a stagecoach. 00:19:15.910 --> 00:19:18.230 Are they still the driver? I was like struggling 00:19:18.230 --> 00:19:20.329 with that ahead of time. I was thinking about 00:19:20.329 --> 00:19:22.809 like, how do you describe his role? He's he's 00:19:22.809 --> 00:19:25.509 not a pilot. Is he the driver of the horses? 00:19:25.509 --> 00:19:28.390 I don't know how that works. And then you have 00:19:28.390 --> 00:19:30.630 the other guy's shotgun. I know that much. Yeah, 00:19:30.630 --> 00:19:34.089 yeah. John Cadena's Hatfield is kind of like 00:19:34.089 --> 00:19:36.529 this more mysterious like, I don't know, like 00:19:36.529 --> 00:19:42.019 this. Rico Suave got undertones of you probably 00:19:42.019 --> 00:19:45.480 can't trust that guy. You have Doc Boone played 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.940 by Thomas Mitchell. You have the leader of the 00:19:48.940 --> 00:19:51.279 group, I guess you could call Curly played by 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:53.779 George Bancroft. You have Donald Meek who plays 00:19:53.779 --> 00:19:58.059 Peacock or is named Peacock or yeah Peacock who 00:19:58.059 --> 00:20:01.079 was like the alcohol salesman, I guess you could 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:06.000 call and then the Corrupt I guess Banker Gatewood 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.539 played by Burton Churchill. So did any of these 00:20:08.539 --> 00:20:11.440 nine like really stand out and how do you like? 00:20:11.900 --> 00:20:14.220 What did you think of this collection of folks 00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:15.940 than the performances and and the characters 00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:20.460 themselves? Well, ain't cuz like his voice just 00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:22.660 like it just brings back childhood memory like, 00:20:22.779 --> 00:20:25.220 you know hearing him Yeah that like oh wow, like, 00:20:25.339 --> 00:20:28.359 you know, so that's certainly like I know him 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:30.960 I can't tell you what he looks like but I know 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:37.160 that voice so right And then John Carradine, 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:44.000 his face is similar. He looks like his character. 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.279 He's got the perfect face. But I thought it was 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:49.160 a good measuring. Thomas Mitchell was, I thought, 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.619 really good. He played the role well. And him 00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:55.640 and Donald Meek, they had their own comedic timing 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.460 down pretty well. He kept getting his name wrong 00:20:59.460 --> 00:21:03.009 and things like that. So I thought it was really 00:21:03.009 --> 00:21:05.150 strong cast in the sense of like everyone really 00:21:05.150 --> 00:21:07.769 did fit there. It was casted Well, they fit those 00:21:07.769 --> 00:21:11.650 characters pretty set on so Those are those are 00:21:11.650 --> 00:21:14.049 some standards for me. How about yourself? Yeah, 00:21:14.049 --> 00:21:16.890 I mean obviously Andy Devine as buck like yeah, 00:21:17.390 --> 00:21:19.630 I mean the first time I heard his voice I was 00:21:19.630 --> 00:21:22.869 like, well, that's clearly Friar tuck from Robin 00:21:22.869 --> 00:21:25.630 Hood, right? Like you immediately recognize his 00:21:25.630 --> 00:21:28.509 name from the Disney I forgot that he also did 00:21:28.509 --> 00:21:30.509 the rooster and corn flakes commercials way back 00:21:30.509 --> 00:21:33.009 in the day. So that was fun just getting to see 00:21:33.009 --> 00:21:35.049 him because all I had ever done was heard him. 00:21:35.650 --> 00:21:38.869 So that was definitely fun. Actually, John Carradine 00:21:38.869 --> 00:21:41.009 has some voice work as well. He did The Great 00:21:41.009 --> 00:21:44.170 Owl and The Secret of Nim. But Thomas Mitchell 00:21:44.170 --> 00:21:48.829 as Doc Boone is just fantastic. Did a little 00:21:48.829 --> 00:21:51.690 bit of research on him. He was the first male 00:21:51.690 --> 00:21:55.369 actor to ever win an Oscar Emmy and a Tony. So 00:21:55.369 --> 00:21:58.430 and his Oscar is from this film like he wins 00:21:58.430 --> 00:22:02.490 best supporting actor for stagecoach So I thought 00:22:02.490 --> 00:22:04.430 that was interesting that and I haven't I either 00:22:04.430 --> 00:22:05.650 haven't seen Gone with the Wind or I haven't 00:22:05.650 --> 00:22:07.049 seen it in so long that I know nothing about 00:22:07.049 --> 00:22:10.329 it, but he also was the father of The character 00:22:10.329 --> 00:22:12.549 in Gone with the Wind Scarlett O 'Hara's father, 00:22:12.549 --> 00:22:16.230 I believe So it was interesting and also it was 00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:18.670 crazy about folks that were doing film work back 00:22:18.670 --> 00:22:21.970 here Like thank goodness. We're not doing a retrospective 00:22:21.970 --> 00:22:53.460 on any of these this guy's Playing off of each 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:56.599 other. I think you nailed it with both Thomas 00:22:56.599 --> 00:22:58.839 Mitchell and Donald meek playing off of each 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:03.400 other was one set Which was it and then obviously 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.319 the way that John Wayne was playing off of a 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.640 couple people but like any time especially I 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:12.859 think John karate and his Hatfield did it a number 00:23:12.859 --> 00:23:15.180 of times where they were trying to treat the 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:17.480 you know, one of the women different than the 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.259 other other one and John Wayne would constantly 00:23:20.259 --> 00:23:22.000 like call that out and be like, you know, why 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:23.779 aren't you offering her a drink or, you know, 00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:25.460 it happened in a couple of different ways. I 00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:28.059 thought so. I thought he played off of them very 00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:32.539 well. I don't like the banker guy. It is what 00:23:32.539 --> 00:23:36.339 it is. Like he didn't really seem to me as like 00:23:36.339 --> 00:23:38.440 super important. I mean, he plays his part and 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.859 I get why he's there. But like, I don't think 00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:44.759 he necessarily stood out. Oh, but he basically 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:49.140 brought quite a bit to that. cast of characters 00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:51.299 in an interesting way, kind of like what we talked 00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:52.779 about, we already mentioned like lifeboat, but 00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:56.039 in a different way, but similar to how we talked 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.440 about that, like you can fund like, and yes, 00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:01.980 John Wayne's going to probably stand out the 00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:04.960 most from a charismatic standpoint, but I feel 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:09.539 like they did a good job of sharing the pun intended, 00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:11.480 I guess, because the film's called Stagecoach, 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.359 but they did a good job of sharing this and like 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.869 dividing and you know, playing off of each other 00:24:18.869 --> 00:24:21.390 without anybody necessarily trying to like one 00:24:21.390 --> 00:24:24.650 up and like steal the shots or steal the, you 00:24:24.650 --> 00:24:26.430 know, the show necessarily. So I thought they 00:24:26.430 --> 00:24:28.329 did a really good job in it. I guess it makes 00:24:28.329 --> 00:24:31.430 sense. They're all a bunch of very accomplished 00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:33.670 actors. I think there's only one actor in here 00:24:33.670 --> 00:24:36.849 who George Bancroft as Curly was only in like 00:24:36.849 --> 00:24:38.410 seven films, but everybody else seems like they 00:24:38.410 --> 00:24:41.349 were around Hollywood for for quite some time. 00:24:41.349 --> 00:24:44.089 So I guess it shouldn't surprise me with that. 00:24:45.490 --> 00:24:48.809 What did you? Well story that we have here, especially 00:24:48.809 --> 00:24:52.170 when it comes to the Ringo kid Which is always 00:24:52.170 --> 00:24:54.569 a good name in a Western anytime you get Ringo 00:24:54.569 --> 00:24:56.230 in there. It's good But what did you think about 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:59.569 his story and kind of the the crux about this 00:24:59.569 --> 00:25:03.470 whole? Clash between him and this other family 00:25:03.470 --> 00:25:08.930 Yeah, I mean settlement like I wasn't as invested 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:15.480 in I think It was it was good and sense of like 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.740 you get an idea who this Ringo kid is like you 00:25:17.740 --> 00:25:21.140 get he seems like Filling him up as this outlaw 00:25:21.140 --> 00:25:23.599 making you believe that he is this, you know 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.660 villain and then finding out that maybe it isn't 00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:31.799 necessarily What you say And I do and they're 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:34.160 like because I'm making like well Why would anyone 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:36.319 ever think that John Wayne is the villain? But 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.559 as you mentioned like with this John Wayne wasn't 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.240 John Wayne yet so I do think it's hard to like 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.519 get in that mindset of Going back to like why 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:46.259 you would think, you know, it's it's hard to 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:49.700 like Picture him within the character like that 00:25:49.700 --> 00:25:53.220 So kind of his presence almost in a way hurts 00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:54.599 that development because you're ahead of the 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:55.880 story because it's like, oh, it's John Wayne 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.779 So, of course, he's the good guy. But so maybe 00:25:58.779 --> 00:26:01.180 that's why it wasn't as like I was like, okay 00:26:01.180 --> 00:26:03.559 Well, I know where this is going obviously, but 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:08.200 but Did like how it it did give that the nice 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.440 conclusion at the end because eventually obviously 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:13.700 It's a story basically about getting it from 00:26:13.700 --> 00:26:16.839 point A to point B. Then we see like that the 00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:20.059 final nail and seeing him kind of come to that 00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:25.019 conclusion. So, but I felt the strength of the 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:27.119 film that was within the interaction of the other 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.619 characters. I felt like that's where we learned 00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:31.470 more was not necessarily. Hearing about happened 00:26:31.470 --> 00:26:33.829 previously, but just seeing how he interacted 00:26:33.829 --> 00:26:36.970 with one another and like decisions they made 00:26:36.970 --> 00:26:39.670 within the moment then gave us much more than 00:26:39.670 --> 00:26:41.690 like hearing about what happened in the past. 00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:45.589 I was also surprised as to how many people coach. 00:26:45.730 --> 00:26:47.769 I didn't realize there was that much room. Like 00:26:47.769 --> 00:26:49.190 once they got to like the fourth or the fifth 00:26:49.190 --> 00:26:51.829 person, I was like, well, where are they all 00:26:51.829 --> 00:26:54.549 sitting? John Wayne's just sitting on the floor. 00:26:55.529 --> 00:26:57.970 So like, you know, with those, you know, the 00:26:57.970 --> 00:27:01.470 minivans where you like. pop up in the secret 00:27:01.470 --> 00:27:04.049 third compartment. Yeah, right. I was getting 00:27:04.049 --> 00:27:06.650 visions of the clown cars in a circus. I was 00:27:06.650 --> 00:27:09.569 like, where are all these guys going? I thought 00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:12.390 another interesting thing about this film was 00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:15.369 for the longest time, I don't know if you're 00:27:15.369 --> 00:27:19.170 ever sure, quote unquote, whose film it is or 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:21.490 who's the main storyline that you're following. 00:27:22.529 --> 00:27:24.849 In the beginning, it definitely feels like you're 00:27:24.849 --> 00:27:30.240 following Lucy Mallory, who is the Wife and to 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.660 go find her husband like that's initially at 00:27:32.660 --> 00:27:35.259 least I did I was like, oh that's you know that's 00:27:35.259 --> 00:27:36.839 what's driving this and the one guy is joining 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.140 because he thinks she's cute or whatever and 00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:40.720 like it's gonna be like how does she interact 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.559 with all these guys as she's going to this and 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.519 there's gonna be some you know skirmishes with 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:47.440 Native Americans and things like that and how's 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:48.599 it's all gonna work out and then all of a sudden 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.380 it's like no it's she's kind of put on the back 00:27:51.380 --> 00:27:53.000 burner then it's somebody else's film and I felt 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.740 like it switched like a couple different times 00:27:54.740 --> 00:27:56.579 of like which I think is a credit to the film 00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:59.119 because it kind of keeps you on the edge of your 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.140 seat in a way because you're trying to figure 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:05.279 out for yourself like who what's the main storyline 00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.339 and who am i where should i be paying attention 00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.579 to and to me helps the film i don't know what 00:28:10.579 --> 00:28:14.839 do you think yeah i that's a good point too yeah 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.440 i think it again i think probably you would eat 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.619 even better at the time because again not knowing 00:28:21.619 --> 00:28:23.599 much of this cast i think that would probably 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:25.920 where you're idea would go. I mean, it's called 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.079 Stagecoach. You don't really have an idea like 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.839 when it begins, you're in a sense, Geronimo is 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.940 really the only name that really stands out. 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:40.839 So it gives you a lot to kind of wonder like 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:42.700 where exactly this is going. And then it keeps 00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:44.380 adding additional characters and like, okay, 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.140 this is this character is just the comic relief 00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:49.019 character. But then I do think it does a good 00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:52.569 job of like never Showing its hand too early 00:28:52.569 --> 00:28:55.009 and then allowing it to kind of develop throughout 00:28:55.009 --> 00:28:58.289 Yeah, absolutely. So Dan And in the beginning 00:28:58.289 --> 00:29:00.250 that there was a couple things that maybe didn't 00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:02.230 age well or a couple issues that you had with 00:29:02.230 --> 00:29:04.390 the film Well, what were some of those things 00:29:04.390 --> 00:29:07.470 that were maybe drawbacks to stagecoach? I mean 00:29:07.470 --> 00:29:12.369 it is it is pretty racist. I mean Can't can't 00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:14.049 deny that right like it's like all the Indians 00:29:14.049 --> 00:29:16.829 are the evil people that are just bent on killing 00:29:16.829 --> 00:29:19.990 everybody You know, I and again, that was obviously 00:29:19.990 --> 00:29:23.529 a trope of the Western. So the. Yeah, I feel 00:29:23.529 --> 00:29:24.730 like we're not going to be able to get away from 00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:32.130 that during this. No, no. So. I did think it 00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:35.029 was interesting, like I thought you get a couple, 00:29:35.109 --> 00:29:38.809 you get that great scene with when he finds out. 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.480 The one guy has his wife is actually an Indian, 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.099 you know, or, you know, and I was wondering, 00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:46.460 like, where that would go. But there may be like, 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.200 oh, like, oh, maybe, like, you find out they're 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.799 not, you know, this is an opportunity. Like, 00:29:50.859 --> 00:29:53.680 actually, no, they're not actually these evil 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.779 savages that they're being out to be, but doesn't 00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:58.859 necessarily go that direction. But but yeah, 00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.900 so that that element doesn't necessarily hold 00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:03.440 up the greatest. But like you said, it's probably 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.380 going to be something we we see a lot. But I 00:30:05.380 --> 00:30:06.900 think it's worth we're certainly pointing out. 00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:15.210 Yeah, for sure. Anything the last I did I did 00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:18.950 think the Once the skate stage coach ride ends 00:30:18.950 --> 00:30:21.490 and we do get that final showdown. I know that's 00:30:21.490 --> 00:30:25.890 what it was leading to I Don't know I was I felt 00:30:25.890 --> 00:30:29.529 like Know that that was important for the character 00:30:29.529 --> 00:30:32.670 But I felt like in a way like I could have done 00:30:32.670 --> 00:30:34.890 without that I feel like we had a good ending 00:30:34.890 --> 00:30:36.890 where when it finally came to that conclusion 00:30:37.579 --> 00:30:39.740 felt like it was there because it's a western 00:30:39.740 --> 00:30:43.339 so we need a shootout like that but it didn't 00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:47.259 what came before was so good and like that like 00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:50.880 chase sequence was so i think well done that 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.319 when you end on something that i feel like is 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.279 nearly as you know thrilling it just it feels 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.200 like it doesn't hit as hard so that was my one 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.220 like major one thing that didn't work for me 00:31:03.470 --> 00:31:34.130 the fifth following one right now like it's not 00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:36.349 like you just like walk to the edge of the pier 00:31:36.349 --> 00:31:38.029 and then somebody got in a boat and left like 00:31:38.029 --> 00:31:40.690 you're galloping on a horse like I don't know 00:31:40.690 --> 00:31:42.930 that that threw me off a little bit but yeah 00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:45.430 it is definitely a very quick ending when it 00:31:45.430 --> 00:31:47.789 comes to like if it is really building up to 00:31:47.789 --> 00:31:50.890 this showdown the whole showdown I think is five 00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:53.210 seconds and and it's over not that any showdown 00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:55.349 is much longer than that we'll probably have 00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:57.650 to keep track of that as we go through but it 00:31:57.650 --> 00:32:00.630 definitely seems like a not very important part 00:32:00.630 --> 00:32:03.380 of the film that is somewhat framed as if it 00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:06.700 should be, I guess. Yes, that was a little different 00:32:06.700 --> 00:32:10.079 for sure. I'm also interested to see how this 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.099 evolves over the course of the films we watch. 00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:15.240 They had an interesting way of getting the horses 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.519 to go in this film. That was something I'm not 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.980 used to. Like there was some crazy, crazy yelling 00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:26.460 and hooting and hollering to get these horses 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:30.700 to go and and like throwing. stuff at them and 00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:32.140 like all this other stuff and maybe it's just 00:32:32.140 --> 00:32:34.119 because i've only been exposed to like more modern 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.200 westerns but i'm like they never have to do that 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.140 and like so yeah a lot of films they just like 00:32:39.140 --> 00:32:41.339 kick their spur into the horse or whatever or 00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:43.460 just say like you know a quick command and they 00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:45.680 go but these guys were like it was like they 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.220 were trying to like get oil to come out from 00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:48.740 the ground the way they were hollering at these 00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:52.160 horses so i was i was thrown off by that for 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.470 sure I wouldn't like I was like, is that an ad 00:32:55.470 --> 00:32:57.369 lib? Is he just doing that to be fun? Some of 00:32:57.369 --> 00:32:59.470 that like same like I'm like, I don't some of 00:32:59.470 --> 00:33:01.289 those and he kept changing the names of the horses 00:33:01.289 --> 00:33:03.710 all the time. I'm like, is that a running joke? 00:33:04.190 --> 00:33:07.690 The throwing thing is I'm like, I can't be that's 00:33:07.690 --> 00:33:10.230 a little it seems me and like you have the whip. 00:33:10.710 --> 00:33:13.170 Right. And because what most of them didn't even 00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:15.130 seem like they were hitting. I don't even know 00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:17.109 if that was even that effective. But I don't 00:33:17.109 --> 00:33:19.690 know. I read somewhere too, like because I read 00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:21.529 that, obviously, I don't know how much do you 00:33:21.529 --> 00:33:25.059 know about John Ford? Like it sounded like he's 00:33:25.059 --> 00:33:30.519 I mean I'm not a great deal. I you know learning 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.579 as we go through this but he said that he was 00:33:33.579 --> 00:33:37.920 kind of a presence I would say on the set and 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.180 didn't necessarily like Wasn't the most touchy 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:44.099 -feely positive happy guy. It seemed like it 00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:46.440 seemed like he was definitely like very blunt 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.880 and direct and made this guy from a couple things 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.289 I read at least on this stage as this film and 00:33:54.289 --> 00:33:57.049 it was interesting because the the main I guess 00:33:57.049 --> 00:33:58.650 we're gonna I'm gonna keep going with driver 00:33:58.650 --> 00:34:02.470 of the of the horses here at one point he basically 00:34:02.470 --> 00:34:04.910 calls him like a I don't know I'm gonna use wrong 00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:07.269 words but like a a fat oh for something and it's 00:34:07.269 --> 00:34:11.369 like why did I even cast it because Nobody I 00:34:11.369 --> 00:34:15.030 drive like a six whatever the terminology is 00:34:15.030 --> 00:34:32.460 for these these horses so I guess like the the 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:53.349 the the the he was under the stagecoach and explaining 00:34:53.349 --> 00:34:55.809 what he had to do to pull that off and I think 00:34:55.809 --> 00:34:58.329 the director afterward was like, I'm glad that's 00:34:58.329 --> 00:35:02.070 over and we're never doing that again. It was 00:35:02.070 --> 00:35:04.070 too dangerous, let's not try that again, that 00:35:04.070 --> 00:35:06.570 was stupid. But yeah, there was definitely some 00:35:06.570 --> 00:35:08.769 interesting things with that. This film got seven 00:35:08.769 --> 00:35:12.309 Academy Award nominations and it's also got 100 00:35:12.309 --> 00:35:22.579 % Rotten Tomatoes. was listed on AFI Westerns 00:35:22.579 --> 00:35:26.820 of all time at number nine. So Dan, you know 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:28.480 every time I do this, I have to put you on the 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.000 spot. And we're about to talk about a bunch of 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.159 Westerns. So if it was number nine, do you have 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.400 any guesses as to what other films might have 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:44.099 been in AFI's top 10 Westerns? Can I go with 00:35:44.099 --> 00:35:46.280 other John Ford films and say The Searchers? 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.500 I'm guessing that's probably one. That is number 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:53.659 one. Okay. Oh, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.159 It's not on there. Really? That's surprising. 00:35:59.179 --> 00:36:06.000 Once Upon a Time in the West? Nope. Oh, it's 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.500 AFI, so it doesn't count because it's not... 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.780 that's I don't know if it's the words made arm 00:36:11.780 --> 00:36:17.599 the man shop liberty balance no no are these 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.900 are not all right, so let me think of Wild Bunch 00:36:22.900 --> 00:36:25.460 Wild Bunch Wild Bunch Wild Bunch Wild Bunch Wild 00:36:25.460 --> 00:36:43.969 Bunch Wild Bunch Wild Bunch Wild Bunch There's 00:36:43.969 --> 00:36:46.550 only one modern one that I would consider modern 00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:51.710 from 1992. Unforgiven? Unforgiven's number four. 00:36:56.170 --> 00:37:01.949 Then... Why am I wild punch unforgiven? I don't 00:37:01.949 --> 00:37:04.829 know. I'm blanking. I got nothing. We'll go from 00:37:04.829 --> 00:37:09.389 10 is Cat Ballou from 1965. I don't either. Number 00:37:09.389 --> 00:37:11.730 nine is Stagecoach. Number eight is McCabe and 00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:15.369 Mrs. Miller from 1971. Number seven, like you 00:37:15.369 --> 00:37:16.769 said, is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids. 00:37:16.789 --> 00:37:20.429 Six, The Wild Bunch. Five, 1948's Red River. 00:37:20.909 --> 00:37:24.329 Four, Unforgiven. And then we have the top three 00:37:24.329 --> 00:37:27.670 would be Shane, High Noon, and The Searchers. 00:37:28.730 --> 00:37:33.210 Okay. Okay. John Wayne appears as the lead role 00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:36.960 in three of those ten films. So some will be 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.380 ones that we cover so keep keep an eye out for 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:44.179 when we go to those And it's weird to the funny 00:37:44.179 --> 00:37:46.159 thing about saying that like John Wayne isn't 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.539 really an established star And he's he hasn't 00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:51.420 been known he's been considered a B a B movie 00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:53.739 star Not an a star until after this film comes 00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:57.159 out. This is John Wayne's 80th film by the way 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.639 It's great when you can make 79 films as a not 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.719 a star and then your 80th film is I guess what 00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.860 makes you and then you go on to have a career 00:38:05.860 --> 00:38:09.960 like John Wayne. Just gotta keep going. The first 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.380 seven, keep chugging the day. Other trivia bits 00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:15.099 or anything else that stood out to you about 00:38:15.099 --> 00:38:20.579 Stagecoach Dan? No, I don't think so. Nothing 00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:24.340 I can come to mind. And if you're a fan of this 00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:26.920 cast, you can also see John Wayne carried in 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:28.880 and Divine were all in, the man who shot Liberty 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.500 Balance. So the three of them. appear in that 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:33.340 film together as well. And I don't know if you 00:38:33.340 --> 00:38:36.900 knew this, Dan, but there's been two remakes 00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:41.159 of this film, I guess you could call it. So there's 00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:47.780 a 1966 remake of Stagecoach, Trosby, among other 00:38:47.780 --> 00:38:52.760 people. And there is a 1986 television version. 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.800 I'm just gonna list the actors that play in the 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.400 television version from 1986. Willie Nelson, 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.500 Chris Christopherson, Johnny Cash Waylon Jennings 00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:08.920 June Carter cash So if you want if you want to 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.199 get real Western on it both from a musical standpoint 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:15.079 and a Movie standpoint, I guess that 1986 television 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:18.000 version of the stagecoach might be for you It 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.920 also says the holidays a character in that one 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.599 So I don't know where he fits into that but like 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.400 Willie Nelson plays Doc Holliday in this So I 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.340 don't know what part that is. They invented a 00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:29.880 new part for the remake. So So overall you said 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:31.900 you thought this was a good place to start for 00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:37.019 our look at the Western genre Yeah, I think it 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.340 was definitely a good place to start I'm interested 00:39:39.340 --> 00:39:42.820 because like I've never like watching Western 00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:44.880 I think that was earlier than this could be I 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.860 sort of be curious to see like what what What 00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:51.300 was John Ford silent Western like but but I'm 00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:54.960 also excited to see what comes next so I think 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.050 this gives us an idea of like expectations of 00:39:58.050 --> 00:40:03.170 the genre and Where do we go? Yeah, and specifically 00:40:03.170 --> 00:40:04.809 we're gonna jump around. We're not gonna do this 00:40:04.809 --> 00:40:07.750 chronological or chronologically. We're gonna 00:40:07.750 --> 00:40:10.750 be Doing this in grouping so you're gonna see 00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:12.630 us bounce around a little bit from a year standpoint 00:40:12.630 --> 00:40:15.030 and specifically this time going from our first 00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:17.949 film to our second we're going to jump Almost 00:40:17.949 --> 00:40:21.969 what 17 years into the future Going from 1939 00:40:21.969 --> 00:40:26.570 here with stagecoach all the way up to 1956 With 00:40:26.570 --> 00:40:29.050 searchers, which on AFI's list is the number 00:40:29.050 --> 00:40:31.230 one Western film of all time Dan So I don't know 00:40:31.230 --> 00:40:33.110 if we've we've we've got the bar pretty high 00:40:33.110 --> 00:40:35.690 here. I don't have you seen this searchers before 00:40:35.690 --> 00:40:39.449 I Have I think I actually did it for a podcast 00:40:39.449 --> 00:40:42.909 back in the day But I mean I'd be interested 00:40:42.909 --> 00:40:45.889 in seeing like it's been over like nine ten years 00:40:45.889 --> 00:40:48.690 since I've seen it. So Yeah, definitely it same 00:40:48.690 --> 00:40:50.929 director. Obviously, we're still gonna have John 00:40:50.929 --> 00:40:53.250 Ford We're still going to have John Wayne, so 00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:55.190 we'll see what those two are like. It's going 00:40:55.190 --> 00:40:56.849 to be also interesting because a lot of these 00:40:56.849 --> 00:40:59.829 other retrospectives that we've done, especially 00:40:59.829 --> 00:41:01.949 with the Cary Grant one, right? We got to see 00:41:01.949 --> 00:41:04.809 him evolve year by year by year and kind of see 00:41:04.809 --> 00:41:07.869 how that all happened. It's going to be interesting 00:41:07.869 --> 00:41:11.849 for John Wayne specifically to see that first 00:41:11.849 --> 00:41:15.090 successful one here in 1939 and then jump 17 00:41:15.090 --> 00:41:19.150 years into the future. Sure see it's gonna be 00:41:19.150 --> 00:41:20.829 I don't feel like we're time -traveling and we're 00:41:20.829 --> 00:41:22.329 gonna see him in a much different part of his 00:41:22.329 --> 00:41:26.750 career at this one Definitely and we'll Be looking 00:41:26.750 --> 00:41:30.349 forward to so it'll be you know Backed back to 00:41:30.349 --> 00:41:33.769 the past So we'll move back to the future and 00:41:33.769 --> 00:41:35.030 back to the future part too. We'll have to go 00:41:35.030 --> 00:41:38.570 back All right, so the head does it for this 00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:41.309 episode? So you'll be able to watch listen to 00:41:41.309 --> 00:41:43.389 us talk more Westerns next time with the searchers 00:41:43.389 --> 00:41:46.050 and then we'll continue through our watch Western 00:41:46.859 --> 00:41:48.500 retrospective for a good part of at least the 00:41:48.500 --> 00:41:50.119 first half of the year I think it seems like. 00:41:50.860 --> 00:41:52.360 So Dan if people want to get in touch with you 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.820 or leave feedback or search out on Letterboxd 00:41:54.820 --> 00:41:56.480 what's the best way for them to do any of that? 00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.699 I'm on Comic Con to the ears on most social media 00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:02.980 platforms. Alright you can search me out on most 00:42:02.980 --> 00:42:05.760 social media platforms at Optimus Solo and you 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.820 can search the show out at Cinema Geeks or Cinema 00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:10.380 Geekcast. 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