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As always, starting at the beginning, going forward
in time in continuity order. We are watching
these, or I'm watching these on Tubi TV. Dave
is watching these on DVD. Yes. So there's that.
He's not happy with his season three DVD set.
The season threes are not good. Uh -huh, yeah.
They must have switched companies or something.
Well, and I noticed when I first started watching
them, they've got the little NBC mystery movie
logo on the thing, which none of the others have.
Yes. Oh, that's weird. It's weird. Today is season
three, episode four, and we are witnessing some
double exposure. Dun, dun, dun. Oh, boy. What
an episode. Robert Culp's back. Man, oh, man.
You know, every TV protagonist, I'll use the
term protagonist, but hero, every TV hero, every
cartoon hero, every movie hero always has the
nemesis or the antagonist or the villain or the
whatever. Man, it doesn't matter what character
Robert Culp is playing. That guy. is one of the
greatest classic actors I've ever seen as a villain.
He's good in the role, yeah. He's amazing. I
love him. Oh, man. I wish he got to do more.
Wait until you get to Patrick Radun. As much
as I love him, that fake voice was the worst,
though. oh yeah that was pretty pathetic yeah
that was pretty bad and that was funny like like
it was just so funny because he was like trying
to get the wife all stirred up and she's like
whatever leave me alone yeah she didn't give
two rips yeah she's like why are you calling
me what do you want what are you doing yeah she
didn't give two rips Hello, Mrs. Norris. You
don't know me, but I think we should talk. Who
is this? Let's just say that I am a friend of
Tanya Baker, which is the subject about which
I'm calling. I don't know any Tanya. Yes, I know
you don't, Mrs. Norris, but your husband does.
You see, Tanya's my girlfriend, and Mr. Norris
is your husband, and I wish there was a nice
way to put it, but there isn't. They're having
an affair, and that's that. That is absurd. It
is, huh? Well, that's funny, because I've got
the proof right here in front of me. Oh, boy.
All right. Double exposure. This one is Dr. Bart
Keppel, played by Robert Culp, is a motivation
research specialist. Huh? Yeah, that's a thing.
Well, that is one of the running themes of the
episode is that Columbo keeps trying to figure
out what in the hell Kepler actually does. Yeah.
Yeah. I was trying to figure that out myself.
Like, is he in advertising? Is he in this? Is
he in that? It feels like advertising, but he's
pretty adamant that that's not what he does.
It is like a weird nebulous marketing and research.
It's pretty fuzzy. It's very fuzzy. So the way
it's described here in the lovely Wikipedia article
is he's a motivation research specialist at Impulse
Research Labs who has become an expert practitioner
of subliminal advertising, which involves inserting
frames of advertised product into reels of a
film. I was going to say, back in the 70s and
80s, this was a bigger thing than I think it
is today. Everyone was worried about it. There
was the book Subliminal Seduction, which had
the naked lady on the ice cube. And then there
was a movie, famously, They Live, of course,
is a big one about subliminal images advertising.
But there was another one before that called
Looker, which was about... It's weird because
I get confused with another movie, and it turns
out they're the same movie. There's subliminal
advertising, and then there's holographic models.
They would make 3D maps of the models and use
them as holograms, which is also a weirdly prescient
thing these days of using AI -generated images
of people. But yeah, it was definitely when I
was a kid, particularly a young preteen and stuff,
it was like subliminal advertising is going to
get you. They're just, they're, they're, they're
manipulating you with these images that you can't
see, but your mind sees it and you don't realize.
And it was, it was a bigger deal back in the
day than it feels like it is now. Like now it's
like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. It's crazy. So crazy.
Yeah. It was, it was very, very weird. Um, and
yeah, so basically he, He basically plays the
same character. He kind of is. He's a very efficient,
controlling old jerk. Oh, wait. He was... This
is his third one, isn't it? I'm getting it confused
with the football one, too. Yeah. I'm not getting
it confused, but that's the one I remember. He
was the blackmailer in that other one, wasn't
he? Yeah. So, yeah, Mr. Kennecutt, he blackmailed
Mr. Kennecutt, and then he was in the football
one. I mean, he was kind of blackmailing the
victim this time, but he was blackmailing him
to continue using the guy's services. Yeah. And
the guy didn't do it. He basically killed him.
Yeah. And this is, yeah, so this is Robert Culp's
third of four appearances. So... Okay. We got
Investigator Brimmer was the first in Death Lens
of Hand. Most Crucial Game, Paul Hanlon, Bart
Keppel in this. And then all the way down the
line in 1990. The ABC series, yeah. Columbo goes
to college. He plays Jordan Rowe. So we got Robert
Culp in one more after this. Okay, so Culp ties
McGowan, because McGowan's in three NBCs and
he's in one ABC. Oh, cool. So far. That's good.
Very cool. But yeah, no, this was so much more
fun than the last episode we did. As far as,
like, the sheer enjoyment of actually watching
a Columbo episode. Because no politics. Yay!
No campaign trail. No voting. Oh, boy. Let's
see. I thought the salty caviar was going to
come into more play. It kind of did. No, it did.
But I thought that... Like, instead of, what's
the guy's name? Norris. Vic Norris is the guy
that he's trying to kill. So I thought that he
was going to basically, and folks, when I say
this. I'm saying this as of, you know, December
16th, 1973 terms. So I'm not trying to be sexist
when I say this. I thought he was going to pull
a woman's thing and poison the guy with the caviar.
That's what I thought. I thought the guy was
going to pass out in the hallway from being poisoned,
having food poisoning from caviar versus shooting
him. I mean, but that would be very easy to connect
him back. Well, true. Obviously. Yeah. But sort
of the shooting, too. Well, no. Actually, that
was – I mean even Columbo admits that was clever
because he had these guns up – he has these .45s
up on the wall. Yeah. But he has a little doohickey
that he can stick in the .45 so it shoots a .22.
Yep. So when they come and they examine his guns,
it's like, well, these aren't the right guns
because I guess that also – I'm a little surprised
that just the little insert got the carbon and
the scoric and the whatever you call it from
shooting a gun. None of that got into the rest
of the gun. Because, you know, ballistics can
tell if you fired a gun because it's got gun
powder and burns and stuff. But, yeah, that all
was in the little thing that he stuck down the
barrel. And it was the wrong caliber. So it was
very clever. So the whole thing is he sets it
up so he's presenting this film that he made
for the guy. What's the guy's name again? Victim.
Vic Norris. Vic Norris. Vic Norris' company.
And he's supposed to be narrating the film on
stage in kind of the shadows. And he's fed him
a bunch of Iranian caviar. And I was like, caviar
from Iran? But apparently Iranian caviar is considered
the best in the world. Because they're on the
Black Sea, the Caspian Sea? I don't know. Caviar,
for those of you who don't know, is fish eggs.
And it's very salty. The trick is, they don't
really... They explain it a little bit later,
but the point is that the caviar is very, very
salty. And he's also turned up the heat in the
auditorium. So that the guy – and he's put in
subliminal images of a cool, refreshing drink
in the film. So that Norris is kind of like,
I'm really thirsty, I'm really thirsty, I'm really
thirsty. So he finally gets up and he goes and
gets some water from the fountain in the hallway.
And Keppel – Like Keppel's speech has been recorded
on a tape player. So he kind of leads his position,
and everyone thinks he's still on stage and shoots
him with the gun. So it's a very elaborate scheme,
but compared to the last one we talked about,
it seems extremely well thought out. Hello? Yeah,
I'm here. I'm listening. Yeah. Yeah, it was very
well thought out compared to the last one. And
yeah, it could either be the Caspian Sea or the
Arabian Sea. No, it's the Caspian, man. Okay.
I didn't realize. I went to an American public
school. I thought Iran was landlocked. I didn't
realize it was on a... I was like, caviar from
Iran? That's crazy! No, it's the other country.
It's the one to the left of Iran that's landlocked.
It's the one where, you know, that insane person,
you know. Oh, well, that narrows it down. No,
no, no. To the left of Iran. Okay, left isn't
a geographical. Oh, God. Fine. He was insane.
Like, you know, in the brain. Fine. I say worse
things on Saddam. Iraq. So you're talking about
Iraq? Yeah, Iraq is the landlocked. That's forbid
now? That's joined Hitler and Germany and Nazi
that we're not allowed to say that anymore? Jesus.
Iraq is the landlocked one. It's got a little
tiny thing that reaches out to the Persian Gulf.
Tiny being the opposite word there. The point
being that apparently Iranian caviar is, in fact,
because I looked that up at the time, I was like,
Iranian caviar is, in fact, considered one of
the best, the best caviar in the world. Yep.
So, points to them for detail. Absolutely. And
for another good movie with caviar in it, just
watch Tomorrow... Yeah, Tomorrow Never Dies.
1997. James Bond. Pierce Brosnan. There you go.
No, the world is not enough. 1999. Anyway, Columbo.
My brain's all over the place today. Yeah, this
one was good. This one was really good. Again,
Columbo in this. Man. His facial features in
some of these season three episodes so far. Man,
what's going on with this guy? Like, he just
seems like, I don't know what his wife is putting
in her cooking, but she's putting something in
her cooking because yikes, dude. Yeah, but we
also established that he does the shopping. That's
true. But just because he does the shopping doesn't
mean that, she can't put the arsenic and old
lace in the cooking. They put that in the tea,
by the way, not the food. Yeah, well, you know,
it is what it is. But yeah, no, absolutely. Absolutely
enjoyed this one. This one was so fun. And like
you already said in the last episode, I already
wrote this down a note. As soon as I heard him
say it, sorry, I took some of your food. I took
some of your caviar. I was working late on that
Hayward case. Yeah. Oh, man. That just warmed.
Because so far, in three seasons, the way I've
always described Columbo is every case is a different
case, even though it's just Columbo. But every
case is a different play. Every case is a different
act. Every case is a different scene. It's not
really like you don't have Brimmer and Hanlon
and Kepler or Keppel. You don't have those three
villains coming together and conspiring like
that would be interesting. But that would never
happen, obviously. So when I saw that, I was
like continuity in Columbo. That's amazing. Yeah.
Do you have it open that you could. Tell who
wrote the two episodes? Yeah, probably. So, you're
talking about... I'm talking about the one that
we just saw. The two that we're talking about
today. Yeah, yeah. I don't know when they're
listening to this, but... So, the story for Candidate
for Crime was done by Larry Cohen. Teleplay...
It's written up differently because it was done
differently. Story by Larry Cohen, teleplay by
Irving Perlberg and Alvin R. Friedman, along
with Roland Kibbe and Dean Hargrove. So Dean
Hargrove did part of the teleplay on Candidate
for Crime. This story, though, the reason why
this is so good. Three initials. SJC. Can you
guess? Stephen J. Cannell. Damn straight. But
there's no continuity there, so that's interesting.
No, yeah. No, but the people, so I'm just like...
Yeah, I thought it was like... You could see
if someone wrote the two episodes, they did a
nod, but that's not the case. Yeah, there's no
continuity between the writers, but... Oh, man.
Yeah. Oh, Stephen J. Connell. I love his work.
So good. He was 69 when he passed in 2010. Man,
I miss that guy. This is the kind of writing
we need in Hollywood now. It'll never happen
again, but this is the kind of writing we need
in Hollywood now because it's actually good.
I don't know that it'll never happen again. I
think that's a little... Man, let me tell you,
with this AI stuff trying to take over, they
want us to not use our brains. Humans might as
well not have brains anymore. type three words
into chat gpt and let it just do what it wants
no thank you i mean at the end of the day i think
people are gonna i mean either either the ai
will get better like get really better or people
just choose people just choose the um the stuff
actually written by humans i mean that's the
inexplicable thing that's going on now is why,
why there isn't a shift or there is the shift
is so slow. It's like, we're going to make the
kind of stuff we're going to make for an audience
that doesn't exist. And okay. Well, curse you
audience for not supporting the thing that we
didn't make for you. Okay. So at the end of the
day, JCPenney was right. Like the customer is
always right. Because not because they're actually
right. Not because they're correct, but because
they have the money. And they can choose to spend
it on other things than your movie or TV show.
True. And, you know, at the end of the day, these
guys are going to I'm surprised they've held
out as long as they have. But so I saw a I was
so when you I don't you're not on Instagram,
right? I don't think you are. OK, I just want
to make sure. So I'm on Instagram. I put photos
on Instagram. Sometimes I put music to those
photos at times, but I pretty much only do photos.
Sometimes I do video, but it's very rarely that
I do video. But I will scroll through Instagram
reels. I will start on somebody that I follow,
like if somebody posts a reel on Instagram, which
is essentially a short -form video. They have
those on Facebook. Yeah, I know. And I will start
scrolling. And I came across something that I
don't follow this person and I don't follow their
whatever. And it was these guys on this podcast
or whatever. And they said something to the effect
of why TikTok became so popular because they
created the for you. feed and they basically
just told you what you're going to watch they
didn't give you a choice they weren't allowing
you to choose your own and my the thing is no
it didn't work because no i want to choose what
i want to okay you put this in the terms that
we all can well i'll put i'll put this in toy
terms Would you rather go into a toy store and
have the toy store employee tell you, you can
buy this toy, that toy, and that toy, or would
you rather go in and actually choose for yourself?
I want to choose for myself. I don't want to
have to be told that I can buy this, this, or
this. That's stupid. So no, TikTok didn't work.
I will never install that Chinese software. Sorry,
not sorry. There are just certain lines that
I will draw on certain things, and back to the
writing thing with Mr. Connell here, I love the
way that he writes stories, whether it's Columbo,
whether it's A -Team, whether it's whatever.
He's a good, he was a good storyteller, and I
wish writing like this would come back. And I
don't think it's going to come back in my lifetime
with AI around, because... AI just makes people
lazy. Anyway. So yeah. Let's see. The tape recorder
Keppel already set in motion a scheme to make
it seem that the crime was committed by Norris'
wife. He tried to set up his... Oh my god. He
tried to set up his client's wife. Man, he kept
beating that drum way after. Yeah, he did. Yeah,
no, I'm not going after her. Yeah, no. No, no,
no. Yeah, that's the thing. Columbo didn't go
after the women in either one of the... in the
last episode or this one. Like, the women were
not the problem. It was the men that were the
problem. Well, Columbo rarely goes after somebody
who's, like, not... I know what you're saying,
but, like, I... It wasn't even an issue in the
last one. This one, she was clearly being set
up, and he figured very quickly that she had
nothing to do with it. And I absolutely love
the way that Columbo, again, Columbo is learning
about the things, and he learns about the subliminal
cuts, and he creates his own. I thought that
was so cool that he used it against her. That
was so good. Absolutely amazing. I particularly
love the very end when Keppel kind of like loses
it. You know, it doesn't feel completely berserk,
but he's giggling and he's laughing. He's like,
I'm the only guy who could have taught you how
to do that to get me. And Clem was like, yes,
sir, you were. Yep. Yep, absolutely. Because
Columbo is not going to start an argument with
a guy that's not necessarily – he was under arrest.
They did say you are under arrest. Officer. But
he wasn't in handcuffs yet, but it was close.
They were about to. I don't think Columbo was
lying. I mean, he got the idea from Keppel's
book. No, absolutely. No, no, no. I know, but
I'm saying, like, the thing about this show is
that the show ends. And we've talked about this
before. It essentially ends like right before
you see them being shackled in the bracelets
or right before they're actually taken out of
the room or put into the police car kind of thing.
So not to say that the criminal is going to,
haha, I'm going to get away from you. Like I'm
going to run and do something stupid. But I think
one of the interesting things about, as I've
talked about, like particularly earlier on when
we started doing this. is the people that Columbo
goes after or is pitted up against are generally,
you know, of a higher rank in society. So while
they have more necessarily resources to do something
like, like, you know, it's not like a common
guy, you know, a kid off the street who, you
know, obviously is going to make a run for it,
you know, whereas this, you know, Keppel, where's
he going to go? You know, what's he going to
do? He's Dr. Keppel. Like they know who he is.
There's no sneaking out on an airplane. There's
no hiding out somewhere. No. And most of these
people wouldn't, like, part of it is their eliteness
won't allow them to lay low in, like, a flop
house or, you know. So there really is no point
in trying to escape. Yeah, very true. And I imagine
some of them, again, it's never brought up and
it's never really dealt with, but some of them,
you know, probably can afford. Again, this predates
the O .J. Simpson thing. what, 20, 30 years?
But they got lawyers. I've always wondered how
many people fought their conviction, fought their
prosecution and won. I do know that one of the
ABC ones that we'll get to someday involves the
whatever you want to call it, rebooter, involves
the wife of one of the people that Columbo put
away. Oh, wow. Very cool. Yeah, that's the rest
in peace, Mrs. Columbo. Oh, yeah. She wants revenge,
so she's going to kill Mrs. Columbo. Boy, that's
crazy. Anything else with double exposure? No,
it was interesting for me because, again, like
I said, it's a sign of the times. As you just
went off on AI and CGP, whatever that thing is.
At the time, it was subliminal advertising that
was going to destroy us all. And now that's kind
of like, eh, whatever. Now it's the AI that's
going to destroy us. You get to be a certain
age, and it's like everything's going to destroy
us all. And you start to develop a certain callous
in your psyche against the doomsday predictions
of everybody. You're a little younger than me,
but we both lived through the possibility of
nuclear war. which, which, you know, and even,
even I felt like in the eighties, it didn't seem
that imminent, but like, um, you're still on
people's minds that, you know, humanity could
just start shooting missiles any minute. Um,
now it's, you know, there's just, there's a new
dooms. You know, now there's a meteor head towards
us. There's always something that's going to
take us down. And it was like, okay, look, just
kill us or get it over with. Like, I'm done freaking
out about every little thing that could possibly
go wrong. Because you can't, there's no way to
live. Yeah, there's no way to live. How dare
we live that way? Oh, boy. Yeah, absolutely.
All right, folks, I think that's going to do
it for us. But first, we do have to rate this
episode. It's easy for me. 4 .5. Wow. Yeah. Enjoyed
this way more. Well, yeah. Than the last one.
You know, this is one that's never been a big
favorite of mine, but I really did enjoy Robert
Culp. So I would probably lean towards a 4. I
also didn't mention there was a second murder,
which gets completely blown over. Yeah. He kills
the Projectionist, which Columbo figures out.
Yeah. The second murders are always weird because
they rarely really factor into it, and it's like,
but you killed another person. That's a whole
separate trial. That's another human life that
you took. Yeah, I would give it a four for Robert
Coppola. As I said in the last one, usually you're
watching for Columbo, but when you have a really
good guest star, it elevates it. Absolutely.
All right, folks, I think that's going to do
it for us. I would recommend this one to people.
We are looking forward to the next one. The next
one is Publish or Perish, written by Peter S.
Fisher. Never heard of that person. It has Jack
Cassidy and John Chandler. along with Mickey
Spillane. Yeah. So that's the next one that we'll
be doing. That's that. We're going to go to a
quick ad break and hear some podcast ads, some
other stuff. We'll come back to close the show
right after this. Corner says that the victim,
Norris, was evidently killed by one shot through
the heart. Small caliber bullet. But he won't
be certain until we have ballistics report tomorrow.
Now, everyone's been searched. We're going through
the building now, looking for the murder weapon.
It is possible to come in through either of two
separate entrances, one at the front of the building
and the service entrance at the rear. Both were
unlocked. You get all that, Lieutenant? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I got every word. Excuse me, I'm a little
hungry. I missed dinner tonight, working late
on that Hayward case. No, he's not bad. Warner's
taking the body away, Lieutenant. All right,
listen, Sergeant, I'll be right there. Um, I'm
a little hungry. I missed dinner tonight, so
I'm just going to grab a few of these canopies.
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Simplistic Reviews Podcast, we talk movies. We
talk TV. We talk... Hello, Julie, what the heck
are you doing? Trying to make our spot sound
more exciting by adding explosions. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure you could have got the point across
with sound effects, not the real thing. Download
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.com. I'm sure your insurance company will cover
that. No, they won't. No, they probably won't.
I only got some hard evidence. What is that,
doctor? I'll be a son of a gun. A calibration
converter. Cut nicely into a .45 automatic. That's
why the barrel and the chambers were clean when
ballistics checked out the gun. That's a lovely
touch. A converter. I never figured on a converter.
And one hidden in a lamp. Doc, I would have sworn
you had a gun hidden in here. And I was trying
to smoke you out. But I never figured on this.
A subliminal cut. You used a subliminal cut.
All right, we are back here inside Studio 2009,
episode 174. Any final thoughts from you, sir,
before I run through the closing? No, I enjoyed
this episode. I think this time around I've appreciated
Culp more than I did back in the day. So, yeah.
Very cool, very cool. All right, folks. Thank
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I am TFG1 Mike with... Dave Draper. You'll hear
us back in the studio soon. My wife's got no
head for crying. We go to those who've done a
movie, she always picks the wrong murderer. I
want to tell you something. If my wife decided
to murder me, she could come up with a better
alibi than you got. Thank you.