WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.160 Hey, hey, hey, it's Chaos Queen here, and you're 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:05.559 listening to the Geekcast Radio Network. Hey, 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:08.099 it's Mistress Carrie, and you are listening to 00:00:08.099 --> 00:00:27.679 Studio 2009. All right, everyone, it's TV talk 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:29.800 time, because here at the Geekcast Radio Network, 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.859 we talk TV. This is the 150th episode of Studio 00:00:33.859 --> 00:00:37.719 2009, only on the Geekcast Radio Network. I'm, 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:39.600 of course, TF2 and Mike, and I can't breathe 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.299 because I'm talking so fast. Maybe I should take 00:00:42.299 --> 00:00:45.460 a breath. But anyway, 150 episodes of Studio 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:48.960 2009. Steve Megatron and I launched this podcast 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:52.939 June 20th, I believe it was June 20th, of 2020, 00:00:53.079 --> 00:01:00.600 back during the bad... And it's 2025. It's been 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.480 five or six years since we launched this podcast. 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:08.400 It has now reached 150 episodes. I'm only recording 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:12.459 this pre -intro intro because this episode is 00:01:12.459 --> 00:01:15.099 way late because of my health issues and other 00:01:15.099 --> 00:01:17.420 things going on with my life. I haven't been 00:01:17.420 --> 00:01:19.780 able to edit this, but this was recorded months 00:01:19.780 --> 00:01:23.579 and months ago with my good Canadian sister in 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:27.269 television. Jennifer Kaufman, Kit Couch Potato. 00:01:27.629 --> 00:01:30.870 She is amazing. She is awesome. We've done many 00:01:30.870 --> 00:01:33.150 a podcast in the past. We've talked about This 00:01:33.150 --> 00:01:36.090 Is Us. We've talked about children's television 00:01:36.090 --> 00:01:38.590 programming and other things. That episode here 00:01:38.590 --> 00:01:42.769 is on Studio 2009. But this launches the brand 00:01:42.769 --> 00:01:48.109 new Origins here at the GCRN. That's right, folks. 00:01:48.370 --> 00:01:53.049 We are expanding GCRN Origins. We have comics. 00:01:54.509 --> 00:01:56.430 We've got cartoons with ToonCast. We've got comics 00:01:56.430 --> 00:01:59.650 with The Pull Bag. We've got He -Man, Masters 00:01:59.650 --> 00:02:01.170 of the Universe with Powers of Grayskull. We've 00:02:01.170 --> 00:02:03.430 got Origins and Transformers with all things 00:02:03.430 --> 00:02:06.069 Transformers. We've got Origins everywhere. We've 00:02:06.069 --> 00:02:08.729 got podcast Origins here on Studio 2009 with 00:02:08.729 --> 00:02:11.050 Podcast Approach. We've got a whole bunch of 00:02:11.050 --> 00:02:13.949 Origins. Well, we're launching a new one. At 00:02:13.949 --> 00:02:17.349 the end of 2024, I said to myself, I need something 00:02:17.349 --> 00:02:21.030 new. I need to do something else. I want to talk 00:02:21.030 --> 00:02:24.250 TV because we love talking TV here at the Geekcast 00:02:24.250 --> 00:02:27.870 Radio Network. And what better way to do origins 00:02:27.870 --> 00:02:31.849 in television watching or origins in TV watching, 00:02:32.050 --> 00:02:34.169 however I'm going to name the name, whatever, 00:02:34.330 --> 00:02:38.610 whatever, whatever. And the person I wanted to 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:40.669 launch this with, because I hadn't chatted with 00:02:40.669 --> 00:02:44.449 her in a while, was my good friend Jennifer Kaufman. 00:02:44.889 --> 00:02:48.090 We've always had amazing TV talk stuff, and I 00:02:48.090 --> 00:02:50.590 wanted to launch that with her. So she is the 00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:53.969 first guest. There will be other guests, I believe. 00:02:54.250 --> 00:02:56.210 Have we already done mine? No, we haven't done 00:02:56.210 --> 00:02:58.830 mine. I haven't figured out who is going to interview 00:02:58.830 --> 00:03:02.400 me for My TV Origins. But Steve Megatron will 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:05.259 be on. Optimus Solo will be on. The Comic Concierge 00:03:05.259 --> 00:03:08.560 will be on. Other people. I will have many people. 00:03:08.939 --> 00:03:10.879 If you guys want to be on the show, you want 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.020 to answer the 30 questions about your TV watching 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:16.879 habits, just shoot an email to feedback at geekcastradio 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:20.780 .com, subject line Studio 2009, Origins in Television 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:25.300 Watching. So yeah, that's it. 150 episodes. We 00:03:25.300 --> 00:03:28.199 are still going here, folks. I am still expanding 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.210 Studio 2009 after five years. We've mostly talked 00:03:32.210 --> 00:03:34.569 about movies, and we've mostly, over the last 00:03:34.569 --> 00:03:37.430 year and a half, two years, from 2023 to 2025, 00:03:37.710 --> 00:03:40.389 I've been doing this anniversary movie thing. 00:03:40.509 --> 00:03:43.210 This has a 30th anniversary. That has a 40th 00:03:43.210 --> 00:03:45.969 anniversary, or a 25th anniversary for whatever 00:03:45.969 --> 00:03:49.110 film it is. And I like doing that, and I love 00:03:49.110 --> 00:03:52.189 talking about movies, but I also love talking 00:03:52.189 --> 00:03:57.949 about TV. So as 2025 winds down, as we have the 00:03:57.949 --> 00:04:02.409 150th episode here now, As we approach 2026, 00:04:02.729 --> 00:04:05.650 Studio 2009 will be not transitioning away from 00:04:05.650 --> 00:04:11.110 film, but it will be mingling and mixing in a 00:04:11.110 --> 00:04:15.150 lot of TV talk. So like Rick Gar says in Transformers 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:19.930 the movie, we talk TV. Do you talk TV? I talk 00:04:19.930 --> 00:04:22.449 some news. Now the news. Don't touch that dial. 00:04:22.649 --> 00:04:26.579 So what I will say is, now here is... origins 00:04:26.579 --> 00:04:29.579 in television watching with my guest jennifer 00:04:29.579 --> 00:04:33.819 kaufman coming up next here on studio 2009 only 00:04:33.819 --> 00:04:37.339 on the geek cast radio network enjoy the show 00:04:37.339 --> 00:04:40.660 folks thank you for listening as always i'm tfg 00:04:40.660 --> 00:04:44.240 and mike and i will see you soon listen to the 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.819 episode coming up next and i'm running out of 00:04:46.819 --> 00:04:48.579 things to say because i'm stupid and i should 00:04:48.579 --> 00:04:52.860 have ended it there earlier and i'm just flambéing 00:04:52.860 --> 00:04:56.579 myself now Holy crap, folks. It's a good thing 00:04:56.579 --> 00:04:59.680 this isn't radio, because podcasting is not radio. 00:04:59.819 --> 00:05:04.600 But anyway, coming up next, Studio 2009, Origins 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.579 and Television Watching with Jennifer Kaufman. 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:12.220 Enjoy, folks. Hey, big guy. Need another car. 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:15.680 Afraid this last one ended up in the drink. Spike. 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:19.360 Look at you. Just turn around and walk away. 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:31.250 You're a... Spike! You're a bloody puppet! You're 00:05:31.250 --> 00:05:37.149 a wee little puppet, man. Hey, that's enough. 00:05:40.250 --> 00:05:44.509 Angel, what the hell happened to you? You look 00:05:44.509 --> 00:05:47.610 ridiculous. Get out of here, Spike. Oh, my God, 00:05:47.670 --> 00:05:53.579 Angel, you're a... Shut up! What are you people 00:05:53.579 --> 00:06:00.480 looking at? Well? They're looking at the wee 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:15.279 little puppet man. Stupid. Did you find me? Piece 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:24.839 of crap. Yes, I'm a puppet. Doesn't mean you 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:26.779 don't have work to do. There is nothing wrong 00:06:26.779 --> 00:06:29.120 with your podcast player. Do not attempt to adjust 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.959 the volume. Hello and welcome back into our studio. 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.740 You are now inside Studio 2009, only on the Geekcast 00:06:35.740 --> 00:06:38.259 Radio Network. I am, of course, TF2 and Mike. 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.759 This actually will be featured both on Studio 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.339 2009 as the 151st episode of that podcast, and 00:06:45.339 --> 00:06:49.560 it will also be featured on Geekcast Radio. At 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.480 some point in the near future. I don't know when, 00:06:52.540 --> 00:06:54.220 so I don't know what episode number for Geekcast 00:06:54.220 --> 00:06:57.120 Radio it's going to be. But this is our 150th 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.339 episode of Studio 2009. We are launching a brand 00:07:00.339 --> 00:07:03.779 new origin segment. This has been two years in 00:07:03.779 --> 00:07:05.560 the making, even though it only took us about 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:13.860 two weekends and 20 minutes. Something like that. 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.319 Yeah, that's usually how it goes, pretty much. 00:07:17.129 --> 00:07:19.370 Avoid, avoid, avoid takes you very little time 00:07:19.370 --> 00:07:24.209 to do it. Well, I mean, it's a, I would like 00:07:24.209 --> 00:07:29.069 to think after 12 years, cause the origins format 00:07:29.069 --> 00:07:32.529 for those that don't know, it started on the 00:07:32.529 --> 00:07:34.930 comic podcast on the pullback. Cause I wanted, 00:07:34.949 --> 00:07:37.170 I didn't want to just do, Oh, you're a comic 00:07:37.170 --> 00:07:39.250 book podcast. Like every other comic book podcast 00:07:39.250 --> 00:07:40.889 on the internet, you're going to do this. You're 00:07:40.889 --> 00:07:42.589 going to do that. You're going to do every predictable 00:07:42.589 --> 00:07:45.290 thing that every other, I'm like, no, I don't 00:07:45.290 --> 00:07:47.939 want to do that. So I created, at the time, in 00:07:47.939 --> 00:07:51.399 2013 it was 25 questions. In 2019, right before 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:55.439 everything shut down, I was like, oh, let's look 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.639 at this again. Let's see how we can expand this. 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.740 And it went from 25 to 30 questions. And then 00:08:00.740 --> 00:08:03.800 I expanded everything else. And I went into cartoons 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:08.800 and toy collecting and video games. Now I'm like, 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:12.139 okay. TV's next. And here we are with the first 00:08:12.139 --> 00:08:15.639 ever origins in television or origins in television 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.300 watching. I haven't decided what the actual title 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:21.319 of the thing is going to be yet. So that's also 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:24.199 why this being the 150th episode, it's going 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.420 to take a few months for this to come out because 00:08:26.420 --> 00:08:27.699 I still don't know what the hell I'm calling 00:08:27.699 --> 00:08:35.159 it. As you've heard a few of her sayings here 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.059 and her laughter, we have none other than Mrs. 00:08:38.220 --> 00:08:41.980 Jennifer Kaufman. She is back. You heard her 00:08:41.980 --> 00:08:47.220 way back when, two years ago, in episode 57 of 00:08:47.220 --> 00:08:50.220 this podcast. I don't remember what the, I think 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:56.480 it was episode 17, 317 maybe, of GCR. We did 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:00.340 children's television programming then and now. 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.279 And why Paw Patrol is the devil. So go back and 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:06.379 listen to that. I can't believe that was two 00:09:06.379 --> 00:09:08.220 years ago. That does not feel like two years 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:12.840 ago. What happened? Where did time go? Yes. I 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.519 specifically went back and looked. I'm like, 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.899 wait a minute. Because I was looking to grab 00:09:17.899 --> 00:09:19.860 the link to send it to somebody else. Because 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:25.179 I was like, what episode number? I had forgotten 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:27.620 that I had syndicated it to both Studio 2009 00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:32.500 and Geekcast Radio. I was like, usually most 00:09:32.500 --> 00:09:36.679 of my podcasts, you ask me what episode number 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:39.360 The Simpsons is or what episode number Batman 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:42.360 the Animated Series is or what episode number 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.220 He -Man is on ToonCast. I can tell you He -Man 00:09:46.220 --> 00:09:50.519 is number 10. Batman is number 92 because it 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.429 came out in 1992. Simpsons was number 80 just 00:09:54.429 --> 00:09:57.610 because it was number 80. Usually I have all 00:09:57.610 --> 00:10:00.549 that stuff memorized because it's my podcast 00:10:00.549 --> 00:10:04.230 and I'll podcast if I want to, damn it. But it's 00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:05.750 one of those things where I'm like, what the 00:10:05.750 --> 00:10:08.230 hell number was this episode? And I'm looking 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:11.429 and I'm like entering like 17 million different 00:10:11.429 --> 00:10:13.929 search terms and nothing is coming up. And I'm 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:17.870 like, okay. And then finally I just like, okay, 00:10:17.929 --> 00:10:20.129 I'm just going to put in two different versions. 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:23.730 So I put in your name. as like the last resort. 00:10:24.009 --> 00:10:26.370 Yeah. And then, and then I put in kit couch potato 00:10:26.370 --> 00:10:28.950 as the second last year. Like, Oh, it was episode 00:10:28.950 --> 00:10:33.529 57. Got it. Yeah. Episode 57 was, I think it 00:10:33.529 --> 00:10:36.450 was August of 2023, somewhere around there is 00:10:36.450 --> 00:10:38.389 what, what the thing said. But yeah, it's been 00:10:38.389 --> 00:10:41.850 two years since we did that show. And right after 00:10:41.850 --> 00:10:44.549 that show is kind of when I got the idea of, 00:10:44.549 --> 00:10:47.850 of eventually doing this, but it's, it's been 00:10:47.850 --> 00:10:51.320 a wacky two years. And it wasn't until I think 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.919 something happened last year where I started 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.759 the video game version of the questions last 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.820 year. And I'm like, hmm, what else can we expand 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:03.419 this into? And I don't know. I probably saw one 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:06.440 of your Facebook posts talking about TV or something. 00:11:06.539 --> 00:11:08.720 And I'm like, hey, wait a minute. What about 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.159 that old idea? Like, let's get this going. So 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:15.700 here we are, folks. 30 questions all about talking 00:11:15.700 --> 00:11:19.059 TV, watching and TV, watching habits. So welcome 00:11:19.059 --> 00:11:21.240 to the show, Jen. Welcome back to the show. How 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:25.179 the hell have you been? I am good. You know, 00:11:25.179 --> 00:11:28.580 just parenting. Lots and lots of parenting. It's 00:11:28.580 --> 00:11:32.019 funny because I'm going back into the TV world 00:11:32.019 --> 00:11:36.679 and if we'd done this maybe six years ago, boy, 00:11:36.779 --> 00:11:38.340 it would have been a different thing too because 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:39.919 I would have been like, oh, and this happened 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.120 and I'm watching this and I watched these five 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.580 things last night, you know? And now it's so 00:11:44.580 --> 00:11:48.690 interesting because I've had to pair all of my 00:11:48.690 --> 00:11:51.330 TV watching back and be really intentional about 00:11:51.330 --> 00:11:53.929 what I choose to watch. And then going back through 00:11:53.929 --> 00:11:55.809 my history, it's just a, it's a very different 00:11:55.809 --> 00:11:58.629 world when you have, and your time does not belong 00:11:58.629 --> 00:12:04.149 to you as much. Nope. Your time belongs to either 00:12:04.149 --> 00:12:07.730 Blippi or Bluey and the kids. Well, yeah, that's 00:12:07.730 --> 00:12:10.769 like, Bluey is amazing. I would actually, that 00:12:10.769 --> 00:12:12.350 I should have, I didn't, I didn't put that on 00:12:12.350 --> 00:12:13.529 the list of anything I was going to talk about, 00:12:13.590 --> 00:12:15.230 but we should absolutely talk about Bluey at 00:12:15.230 --> 00:12:17.899 some point, because that is like, I mean, it's 00:12:17.899 --> 00:12:21.679 a fantastic show for adults, for kids, for anybody. 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:26.360 It's deep. It's so deep. But yeah, it's sort 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:30.340 of like we watch kids' TV, yes, but also we're 00:12:30.340 --> 00:12:32.559 busy doing other things and the kids are watching 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.360 their own stuff. And some of it we like, some 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.279 of it we avoid. But absolutely, we have to be 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.700 more intentional to grab that time to watch stuff 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:47.519 we want to watch. Absolutely. obviously in every 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.259 origins, it doesn't matter whether it's TV, video 00:12:50.259 --> 00:12:54.620 games, whatever, which origin. Yeah. It wasn't 00:12:54.620 --> 00:12:57.820 the, yeah. My girlfriend's a chaos queen. She 00:12:57.820 --> 00:13:00.120 said, this makes no sense. Why would you ask 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.019 them? This is the first question. Why? Because 00:13:02.019 --> 00:13:04.840 if the answer isn't yes, then why would you have 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.120 them on the show? The first question is, did 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.720 you grow up watching TV? And at what age do you 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:14.740 first remember really noticing or falling in 00:13:14.740 --> 00:13:18.379 love with a TV show? And usually how this goes 00:13:18.379 --> 00:13:25.000 is, yeah, we know, but like, yes, technically. 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.840 The answer would be yes, but everyone has a different, 00:13:29.980 --> 00:13:32.500 like, what if your parents didn't let you watch 00:13:32.500 --> 00:13:34.620 TV? What if you didn't discover TV until you 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:36.440 were not living at home anymore? What if you 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:40.419 didn't discover television until college or after 00:13:40.419 --> 00:13:45.019 high school or somehow? Everybody has a different 00:13:45.019 --> 00:13:47.200 origin. That's why these are called the origins. 00:13:47.340 --> 00:13:49.100 Everyone has a different origin story. Not everyone 00:13:49.100 --> 00:13:52.740 started watching TV at five years old, learning 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:55.200 with Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers and everything 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:01.490 back in the 80s. Absolutely. But when she pointed 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:05.389 that out to me, I was like, oh, crap. I guess 00:14:05.389 --> 00:14:07.509 I can't ask anybody else to come on any of these 00:14:07.509 --> 00:14:09.570 podcasts because the first question basically 00:14:09.570 --> 00:14:13.649 just kills the whole interview. I don't know. 00:14:13.690 --> 00:14:16.029 I think it depends. If it's about your TV watching 00:14:16.029 --> 00:14:18.590 as a child, then yeah, the answer better be yes. 00:14:18.929 --> 00:14:22.480 Right. There's lots of different. origin story. 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:25.080 Some people might have just not really been into 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:28.259 TV as a kid, but then really gotten into it. 00:14:28.259 --> 00:14:29.960 Or some people might have, yeah, limits that 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:32.539 were put on them. And then when they could decide 00:14:32.539 --> 00:14:34.320 for themselves what they were going to watch 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:36.820 and how they were going to watch, the whole world 00:14:36.820 --> 00:14:40.200 opened up. So it's definitely interesting. It's 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.059 funny. I did watch TV as a kid, but my mom swears 00:14:43.059 --> 00:14:45.460 that she didn't let me watch TV a lot as a young 00:14:45.460 --> 00:14:47.639 kid. And she even mentioned this at my wedding 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.759 because the joke was that The wedding was TV 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.840 themed and all the tables were named after TV 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.460 verses or TV places, right? So you would be sitting 00:14:57.460 --> 00:15:00.840 at Sacred Heart, you know, or the Dharma Initiative 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.639 or something like that. So she joked in her speech 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.320 that she didn't really let me watch a lot of 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.620 TV growing up. But I think, you know, she's exaggerating 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:09.399 a little because I, of course, I do remember 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.580 falling in love with Sesame Street, I think would 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:14.460 be that first show as it probably was for so 00:15:14.460 --> 00:15:18.450 many children. Of the 80s and 90s and 70s, I 00:15:18.450 --> 00:15:20.690 guess, right? Yeah, it was the first episode 00:15:20.690 --> 00:15:26.750 was like 69. 69. Yep. Yeah. So, you know, I think 00:15:26.750 --> 00:15:30.070 that was such a critical part of my childhood. 00:15:30.529 --> 00:15:33.289 But I think my mom has said that we had a black 00:15:33.289 --> 00:15:34.929 and white television before that. I feel like 00:15:34.929 --> 00:15:36.750 they just didn't really watch a lot of TV. So 00:15:36.750 --> 00:15:39.230 they got it. color television specifically so 00:15:39.230 --> 00:15:41.070 I could see Sesame Street in color because she 00:15:41.070 --> 00:15:43.190 kind of felt bad, I feel like. I mean, all the 00:15:43.190 --> 00:15:45.529 Muppet, you know, if Big Bird's not yellow, it's 00:15:45.529 --> 00:15:49.830 like, what are we even doing? So they got a color 00:15:49.830 --> 00:15:51.549 television so I could watch Sesame Street. And 00:15:51.549 --> 00:15:53.490 that was the first show that I really watched. 00:15:53.549 --> 00:15:57.759 But outside of... That obvious one, I think Shira 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.139 was the other one that I stumbled upon, which 00:16:01.139 --> 00:16:03.559 wasn't totally a kid's show, but it was animated. 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.720 So it felt to me like it was a kid's show. And 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.720 that's something that really captured my imagination 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.220 as a child. I don't remember a lot of it now 00:16:11.220 --> 00:16:12.960 because I have not gone back and watched the 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.940 original Shira, I think, ever. Well, this year 00:16:18.940 --> 00:16:21.539 is its 40th anniversary. You should go back and 00:16:21.539 --> 00:16:24.740 watch it. I mean, maybe, right? I did watch the 00:16:24.740 --> 00:16:26.639 new one on Netflix, which I quite liked, although 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.620 it was very different. But I think it was just, 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.779 you know, the characters, the names, the swords, 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.620 the powers, like that all really. attracted my 00:16:36.620 --> 00:16:38.720 attention as a child. And while I don't remember 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.600 the show, I just remember how much I loved the 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.820 show. And I remember running around, you know, 00:16:42.820 --> 00:16:46.080 with swords and the little pajamas. And I remember 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.159 dressing up as Shira with the little headpiece. 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.200 So that was something that absolutely captured 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.720 my imagination as a child. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.539 Yeah, good old He -Man and Shira. Yeah, I remember 00:16:59.539 --> 00:17:02.720 that. I mean, we have a podcast on the network, 00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:04.920 Powers of Greyskull series, where we actually 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.099 watched re -watched. We started this in 2012. 00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:12.539 We re -watched every single episode of every 00:17:12.539 --> 00:17:14.880 single Masters of the Universe cartoon they've 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.680 ever done. The only ones we haven't done yet 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.779 are any of the new ones. So we haven't done the 00:17:19.779 --> 00:17:21.980 new Netflix Shiri yet. We are going to at some 00:17:21.980 --> 00:17:23.680 point. We haven't done that one yet. We haven't 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:27.660 done the... We kind of really did... We did kind 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:31.119 of sort of do the Kevin Smith version. We didn't 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.140 do the other... the CGI version yet, but we're... 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.140 We're working on it. We'll get back to it eventually. 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:40.460 But yeah, the one thing I remember from She -Ra 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:43.440 specifically, honestly, is just the secret of 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.559 the sword. It's just those first five episodes, 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.859 both individually as the episodes and as the 00:17:49.859 --> 00:17:52.720 put together film. That's the only thing I remember 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.140 from the show, even though I don't think I even 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:58.240 remember that. I honestly, I feel like I remember 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.220 the image of her holding up the sword. And I 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:03.900 remember there was a character named Frosta. 00:18:04.419 --> 00:18:06.980 Yep. I don't know why. I think I had a few toys. 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.039 So when a new series came out, I was like, where's 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:10.779 Frosta? Which one is Frosta? That's the one I 00:18:10.779 --> 00:18:16.880 remember. I think I was six at the time. So I 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.220 was very young. There's pictures of me with my 00:18:19.220 --> 00:18:20.920 sister who would have been three. We're both 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:22.900 wearing matching shirt pajamas. And my brother 00:18:22.900 --> 00:18:25.460 is an infant like in one of our laps. Right. 00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:30.470 So I don't think it lasted that long. sort of 00:18:30.470 --> 00:18:32.210 obsession with it or when maybe it was you know 00:18:32.210 --> 00:18:34.109 it also depended on what was on right because 00:18:34.109 --> 00:18:37.230 it's not like we had dvds or even vhs's of that 00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:39.490 stuff so if it wasn't it didn't happen to be 00:18:39.490 --> 00:18:41.950 on at a time where i could watch it then it would 00:18:41.950 --> 00:18:48.029 in my mind yeah so so if you were six in 85 i 00:18:48.029 --> 00:18:52.650 was five when it premiered it lasted two seasons 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:56.829 it lasted two years by 87 it was first run syndication 00:18:58.580 --> 00:19:03.039 It probably got a few reruns in 88, 89. I don't 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.000 know how many reruns after that. I was born in 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.420 81. So I would have been six in 87. Yeah. Okay. 00:19:09.579 --> 00:19:12.539 Yeah. So it might've been somewhere around there 00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:14.900 that I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And that was Canada 00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:17.000 too. So I don't know. Maybe it's different. Who 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.160 knows? Maybe. Who knows? I don't know where I 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.680 was watching it. I've got no idea. Was YTV a 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.099 thing back then? I don't think it was, wasn't 00:19:26.099 --> 00:19:28.700 it? Oh Lord. I think YTV was a little later, 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:31.180 but again, I don't know. Someone turned on the 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:34.019 TV and I was like, Oh, look at that. Yeah. Look 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:39.660 at that. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. As a kid, how 00:19:39.660 --> 00:19:42.599 much TV were you allowed to watch? And did your 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.119 parents sit you in front of the TV to distract 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:50.099 you a lot? So no, they did not. As I said, they 00:19:50.099 --> 00:19:53.920 really tried to limit our screen time. And it 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.000 wasn't as much of a thing as it is now, of course, 00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:58.480 because limiting screen time was certainly a 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.740 lot easier than it is now. But they did not put 00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:03.900 us in front of the television to distract us 00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:07.420 a lot. I think when I was really young, it was, 00:20:07.420 --> 00:20:09.819 you know, we would watch Sesame Street. And there 00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:11.980 was a period at which my mom would make dinner. 00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:14.420 So she would make dinner. I don't know, probably 00:20:14.420 --> 00:20:16.940 around like five o 'clock. And when I was little, 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.680 there was a couple of shows we'd watch back to 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.759 back at that time because they were on. So that 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.640 would have been like maybe Sesame Street, but 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.579 also like Polka Dot Door. I don't know if you've 00:20:24.579 --> 00:20:27.950 ever heard of Polka Dot Door. Or today's special? 00:20:28.029 --> 00:20:29.990 I don't think so. I've heard of today's special. 00:20:30.170 --> 00:20:31.349 I don't remember. You've heard of today's special? 00:20:31.450 --> 00:20:33.269 Okay, so these were, I believe, both Canadian 00:20:33.269 --> 00:20:35.430 shows that were kids' shows. Because Canadian 00:20:35.430 --> 00:20:37.789 television used to be really good for kids' TV 00:20:37.789 --> 00:20:40.690 at the time. And Polka Dot Door was the world's 00:20:40.690 --> 00:20:45.549 dumbest show. As a kid, I liked it. But it's 00:20:45.549 --> 00:20:49.130 not bad. It's just that... The premise of the 00:20:49.130 --> 00:20:51.789 show was that there were these two adults and 00:20:51.789 --> 00:20:54.109 they lived in this house with a bunch of stuffed 00:20:54.109 --> 00:20:55.849 animals. I think there were two stuffed animals 00:20:55.849 --> 00:20:59.789 and two raggedy dolls or whatever. They would 00:20:59.789 --> 00:21:02.589 talk to them, but they weren't puppets and they 00:21:02.589 --> 00:21:05.630 didn't move. They would just put the bear up 00:21:05.630 --> 00:21:07.630 to their ear and go, what's that bear? What did 00:21:07.630 --> 00:21:10.569 you say? I think it was supposed to be how kids 00:21:10.569 --> 00:21:14.190 really talk to their stuffies. But in a way, 00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:17.450 you're like, OK, you couldn't have sprung for 00:21:17.450 --> 00:21:19.750 a slightly larger budget and had a puppet or 00:21:19.750 --> 00:21:21.849 something because they were just talking to these 00:21:21.849 --> 00:21:23.430 stuffed animals. And then there was this weird 00:21:23.430 --> 00:21:26.529 character called Pokeroo who would come in at 00:21:26.529 --> 00:21:28.509 the end. He was sort of like a I don't even know 00:21:28.509 --> 00:21:30.690 how to describe it, like a clown animal, giant, 00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:34.210 tall kind of like guy in a mascot suit. And it 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:37.289 was clearly whoever was the man in the show. 00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:41.670 The man would disappear and then Pokeroo would 00:21:41.670 --> 00:21:43.680 come and then she'd be like, you. Missed him 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.559 again. And you're like, darn it. And you're like, 00:21:46.660 --> 00:21:48.660 obviously you're a Pokeroo. Like I'm only seven 00:21:48.660 --> 00:21:50.960 years old. It's very clear to me that you are 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.509 a Pokeroo, sir. So there was that one. And then 00:21:54.509 --> 00:21:56.390 there was today's special, which, if you've heard, 00:21:56.529 --> 00:21:58.890 takes part in a department store after it closes. 00:21:58.930 --> 00:22:01.089 And the main premise is that one of the mannequins, 00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:04.369 Jeff, comes to life after the store closes. And 00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:06.670 so it's his story along with, I think, there's 00:22:06.670 --> 00:22:08.430 the store manager. And they're both humans. And 00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:10.190 then they have a puppet security guard and a 00:22:10.190 --> 00:22:12.710 puppet mouse. And that was really well done. 00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:15.769 That's a very cute show. But they would play 00:22:15.769 --> 00:22:19.339 back -to -back on probably one of our... I think 00:22:19.339 --> 00:22:21.380 it was TVO or some kind of kids channel. And 00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:23.819 we would watch that. And then as we got older, 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:28.259 dinner time, we would watch back to back sitcoms. 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:32.500 So we would watch, there was a stretch of, I 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:34.619 think it was like Growing Pains, Full House, 00:22:34.819 --> 00:22:36.299 Who's the Boss? There might've been one other 00:22:36.299 --> 00:22:37.859 in there and they sometimes switched back and 00:22:37.859 --> 00:22:39.859 forth. Those are the ones that we would watch 00:22:39.859 --> 00:22:41.779 kind of at dinner while my parents would cook 00:22:41.779 --> 00:22:44.730 dinner. But that was like. the time that we watched 00:22:44.730 --> 00:22:46.670 television and we, and they didn't really, yeah, 00:22:46.750 --> 00:22:48.769 we did not get sat in front of it at other times 00:22:48.769 --> 00:22:51.990 to, for any other reason, really. That was it. 00:22:52.049 --> 00:22:54.210 It was like, I'm trying to make dinner. Please 00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:57.109 don't kill each other. Here are some shows. Yeah, 00:22:57.130 --> 00:23:02.490 exactly. There you go. Yeah, basically. What 00:23:02.490 --> 00:23:07.069 was the first. Okay. I blame her for this folks. 00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:10.970 This is her fault. Cause it's my own reaction, 00:23:11.130 --> 00:23:13.799 but. It's her fault because she put adult in 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.960 quotes. What was the first adult show you remember 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.359 watching? Now, when I answer these questions, 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.400 my thing is going to be, ooh, they were squiggly 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.859 lines and you had to really angle yourself at 00:23:23.859 --> 00:23:25.559 a certain angle to see certain things. Yeah, 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.500 I did think when I wrote adult that it might 00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:31.779 accidentally have another connotation there. 00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:36.119 But I guess I sort of meant like not kids television. 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:41.920 So what was the first like regular? non -kid 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.779 TV show you remember watching or falling in love 00:23:44.779 --> 00:23:48.859 with? So it would have been Road to Avonlea on 00:23:48.859 --> 00:23:53.059 CBC, which is our public broadcaster in Canada. 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.859 And I don't know if you are aware of the show, 00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:59.440 but I'm sure you've heard of Anne of Green Gables. 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.039 Yep. You can't live and not have heard of Anne 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.140 of Green Gables. That would have been insane. 00:24:05.980 --> 00:24:08.500 Based in that world, Avonlea was the place where 00:24:08.500 --> 00:24:10.460 Anne was from. And so the author wrote a couple 00:24:10.460 --> 00:24:12.720 of random stories about Avonlea. And they took 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.779 some of these sort of random stories about Avonlea 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:19.599 and created a whole world of characters based 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.680 on that, very loosely based on it. So these were 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.599 stories that took place kind of in that same 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:26.380 setting as Anne of Green Gables with all these 00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:29.819 different characters. And I used to watch it 00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:32.019 with my family every week, and I loved it. And 00:24:32.019 --> 00:24:35.440 that's where Sarah Polly got her start. I don't 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:37.640 know if you know Sarah Pauly, actress from Dawn 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.779 of the Dead and Go. Now she's a really famous 00:24:39.779 --> 00:24:43.519 director. She was the little girl, kind of the 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:48.960 main star of that show. And so that was kind 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.180 of the number one. And then the other one was 00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:53.650 the... Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of 00:24:53.650 --> 00:24:56.289 Superman. And that was something that I watched 00:24:56.289 --> 00:24:58.410 with my parents as well. In fact, I think we 00:24:58.410 --> 00:25:00.250 watched that the same night as Avonlea, but it 00:25:00.250 --> 00:25:02.450 was a different channel. So we watched, we would 00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:04.410 watch Avonlea was on first, and then we'd switch 00:25:04.410 --> 00:25:07.490 to the non -public broadcasting channel and watch. 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:09.859 lois and clark the new adventures of superman 00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:11.839 because my mom was obsessed with that and i loved 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:13.740 it as well like that was the first show that 00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:15.779 i watched regularly like we watched all the sitcoms 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:17.559 as i mentioned like i do remember watching full 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.500 house and growing pains but you know you never 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.319 really watch it in order and it wasn't something 00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:23.420 that i was like oh no i can't miss the next episode 00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:25.359 of full house because also i was watching in 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.079 syndication so who knew yeah um but definitely 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.740 like every week we did not want to miss road 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:34.640 to evan lee and lois and clark and we you know 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.009 we We wanted to know what happened next, and 00:25:37.009 --> 00:25:39.769 it was kind of like that first appointment, television. 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:52.430 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Lois, I'm home. I had 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:55.210 a train derailment in Canada, an orphanage fire 00:25:55.210 --> 00:25:57.670 in London, and a dam broke in India. Did you 00:25:57.670 --> 00:26:01.710 make something for dinner? Oh, my gosh. What 00:26:01.710 --> 00:26:07.519 happened? Lex Luthor. The rat. Where's Lois? 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.599 She was here just a second ago. Probably scared 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.539 witless, poor thing. Don't worry. I'll have you 00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:22.099 out of that thing in no time. Okay, let's see 00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:25.559 now. Do I disconnect the black wire or the white 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:30.079 one? Don't worry. I'll save you. What do you 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:42.819 think? What do I think? Lois, I think you got 00:26:42.819 --> 00:26:45.319 some explaining to do. Clarky, if we're going 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:46.880 to be partners and we're going to be married, 00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:49.579 I want to be part of the act. Lois, there are 00:26:49.579 --> 00:26:53.839 things I do you can do. Me Superman. Me super 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.880 wife. Us super in trouble. Could you hold this 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.000 argument till later and get us out of here? I 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.740 knew this was going to happen. First you know 00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:02.380 who I am. Then you're going to fire me. Next 00:27:02.380 --> 00:27:03.440 thing you're going to fire us up in a hatch. 00:27:10.099 --> 00:27:15.460 Ay, caramba! You exploded them! Oh, Clark, you... 00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:20.059 Well, I can explain why they exploded. Ay, ay, 00:27:20.059 --> 00:27:29.799 ay! Hola. Clark? Yeah, sitcoms are... Sitcoms 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.779 are weird. Sitcoms are... Yes, you have your 00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:36.880 season or series, premieres and finales. So you 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.500 get your season... premiere season finale series 00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:43.640 premiere series finale and those are okay season 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:47.039 one starts you have the introduction of all the 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.599 characters and everything else and all this and 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.480 all that and you get the season one finale and 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.140 they some most times season one finales don't 00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:59.180 do too many dramatic things i mean if it's been 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.240 a super successful show it'll be fine if it's 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.579 been super funny it'll be fine but as the as 00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:08.140 the sitcom goes on maybe they want to do a little 00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:10.220 bit more drama to it or maybe they want to add 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:12.099 something to it maybe they want to add high stakes 00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:14.359 to get better ratings for next season to make 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.460 sure they come back and they'll do stuff like 00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:20.539 that but yeah i mean sitcoms generally other 00:28:20.539 --> 00:28:23.519 than the first episode and last episode of every 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:28.160 season you could essentially watch any of the 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.880 in between any of the middle part of that sea 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:35.400 whatever season it is Like you could watch season 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.500 two, episode seven, season three, episode nine, 00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:41.380 back to back in syndication of whatever show 00:28:41.380 --> 00:28:47.039 it is and not miss a beat. Unless somehow those 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.799 two seasons, one character left and then a new 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.859 character, like, you know, you know, the old 00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:57.220 saying. this actor is now playing this character 00:28:57.220 --> 00:28:59.480 in this soap opera, you know, unless that happened 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.000 kind of a thing, which it never really did on 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.180 sitcoms, but like, unless something like that 00:29:04.180 --> 00:29:06.500 kind of happened. Oh, it did on Roseanne, remember? 00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:10.920 Okay, well, it did on Roseanne, but... That was 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:15.880 the big one, the Becky, yeah. Yeah. But, you 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.500 know, yes, I think that's true to a certain extent. 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.059 Yeah, to a certain extent, yeah. When you're 00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:22.599 younger, you don't really notice or care. Like 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:24.599 if I was watching Full House, I'd be like, oh, 00:29:24.700 --> 00:29:27.039 right. I mean, you can see the differences in 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.940 where the characters were, but it wasn't enough 00:29:30.940 --> 00:29:33.180 to dissuade you or to feel like, well, I'm missing 00:29:33.180 --> 00:29:35.200 stuff. I certainly can't watch this now, you 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:38.420 know? I think the first sitcom I really remember 00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:41.559 watching every week was Friends, and it's because 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.180 everyone was doing it. And clearly, you know, 00:29:44.509 --> 00:29:47.609 Their romantic entanglements sort of arced the 00:29:47.609 --> 00:29:49.829 seasons. And so you would, obviously, if you 00:29:49.829 --> 00:29:52.890 tuned into a different episode. in syndication 00:29:52.890 --> 00:29:54.750 of friends, because that was one of the series 00:29:54.750 --> 00:29:56.529 where I would watch both at the same time, because 00:29:56.529 --> 00:29:59.230 while it was airing the later seasons, the earlier 00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:01.250 seasons were all in syndication earlier in the 00:30:01.250 --> 00:30:03.549 evening. And you would be like, oh, well, okay, 00:30:03.670 --> 00:30:05.609 Chandler's dating this person, so that's an earlier 00:30:05.609 --> 00:30:07.470 episode, or so -and -so's dating this person. 00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:09.869 But it didn't preclude you from watching, because 00:30:09.869 --> 00:30:11.470 the plot was still contained in the episode, 00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:14.769 much like a procedural. And certainly when I 00:30:14.769 --> 00:30:16.880 was younger, like I... it took me a while to 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:18.400 kind of figure out where they were on who's the 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.079 boss. Like, you know, okay, how, what's going 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.279 on? Oh, this person's a little bit older and 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.579 like, Oh, or Tony and Angela like openly flirting 00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:28.440 yet. Like what's happening. So there was that 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.740 kind of stuff, but, but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't 00:30:30.740 --> 00:30:32.440 appointment television because I wasn't watching 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.500 it week and I had no idea when it actually aired. 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.339 Right. I just watched it during dinner time. 00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:39.880 So, yeah. Yeah. I think the thing though is with 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:44.009 the older comedies with stuff like, What's a 00:30:44.009 --> 00:30:48.430 good example? Technically, I guess the first, 00:30:48.490 --> 00:30:51.809 I'll say two seasons. The first two seasons of 00:30:51.809 --> 00:30:56.410 ALF, like I said, outside of the premiere and 00:30:56.410 --> 00:30:59.970 the finale, you could probably watch any of those 00:30:59.970 --> 00:31:04.630 episodes in any order of each of those seasons. 00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:09.150 Like season one, you could watch episode seven 00:31:09.150 --> 00:31:12.480 and then watch episode three. Yeah. probably 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.299 really really matter that's not how you should 00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:17.200 watch them folks we're not telling you to do 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.799 that i'm just saying i mean maybe that's that's 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.160 the way syndication was back then that's the 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.160 way like yes yes i mean seinfeld is like that 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.119 too i think more than anything because seinfeld 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.460 notoriously has like not a lot of character arcs 00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:37.039 in it and so you really yeah other than sometimes 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.059 the wardrobe it really doesn't matter because 00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:41.180 they're not you might be like oh right this is 00:31:41.180 --> 00:31:43.380 after susan died or something but that was really 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.319 the only kind of thing you know because they 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.579 were notoriously like unattached and not yeah 00:31:48.579 --> 00:31:52.700 yeah that's how they how it worked yeah after 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:55.920 all it's a show about nothing yes absolutely 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.920 Alright, next up we got, did you have any favorite 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.799 TV characters when you were growing up? Yeah, 00:32:06.819 --> 00:32:09.319 I think when I was growing up in my younger years, 00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:11.940 like definitely, I mean, a lot of the characters 00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:13.940 in Road to Avonlea, but I mean, Anne of Green 00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:16.039 Gables was always my favorite, even though that's 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.630 like a... Those were two kind of TV movies, I 00:32:19.630 --> 00:32:22.130 guess, four -hour TV movies. They kind of aired 00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:24.509 over two nights each, Anne of Green Gables and 00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:27.970 Anne of Green Gables the sequel. And she was 00:32:27.970 --> 00:32:30.049 my all -time favorite kind of role model, right? 00:32:30.150 --> 00:32:33.450 She was imaginative and sassy. And I don't know 00:32:33.450 --> 00:32:35.430 why she didn't like her red hair. Like, who didn't 00:32:35.430 --> 00:32:38.789 want red hair? That's insane. But yeah, she was 00:32:38.789 --> 00:32:40.430 obviously my favorite. But I thought this was 00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:43.450 also a good place to talk about one of my weirder 00:32:43.450 --> 00:32:48.240 TV... which was sort of from the age of, I would 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.880 say junior high. So what I must've been like 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:55.720 13 to like 16. I was, I went through a really 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.000 like deep soap opera phase where I was just obsessed 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.380 with one soap opera at a time. And I think that's 00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:04.099 how I got introduced to the concept of shipping. 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.700 Although I didn't really call it that at the 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:07.000 time because I didn't really know what shipping 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.519 was, but I would pick a show and then I would 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.519 like sort of fall in love with this. Will they, 00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:13.890 won't they. kind of drama of two of these soap 00:33:13.890 --> 00:33:16.109 opera characters and it just became like an obsession 00:33:16.109 --> 00:33:19.809 so like those were the characters that I remember 00:33:19.809 --> 00:33:22.160 like When you think about being obsessed with 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.559 characters, it was like I had, I watched this 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.920 really bad Canadian soap opera called Family 00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.420 Passions, which took place half in Canada and 00:33:29.420 --> 00:33:31.960 half in Germany. Although like nobody in Germany 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:33.960 was speaking German, but they all had really 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.779 German names like Stefan and Jürgen and Hans. 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:39.859 So there was like a romance between two of those 00:33:39.859 --> 00:33:41.900 characters, Stefan and Kala, that I was obsessed 00:33:41.900 --> 00:33:44.259 with. And there was like another world romance 00:33:44.259 --> 00:33:47.619 between Maggie and Raphael. And there was like 00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:50.539 a Days of Our Lives one. Austin and Carrie, I 00:33:50.539 --> 00:33:52.759 believe I was really like attached to those ships. 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.559 Like that was my thing. And sort of in my early 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.339 teen years in terms of characters, like I was 00:33:58.339 --> 00:34:00.960 just, that, that introduced me to this idea of 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.500 like, at being the driving force between watching 00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:07.039 something was like, Oh, these two have to end 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:12.860 up together or I'll die. You know, like the sad 00:34:12.860 --> 00:34:20.449 thing is, is I found very late. I grew up with 00:34:20.449 --> 00:34:23.309 my grandmother watching Days of Our Lives, All 00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:26.329 My Children, One Life to Live, General Hospital, 00:34:26.489 --> 00:34:32.349 all that stuff. But I did not fully get invested 00:34:32.349 --> 00:34:36.369 until for General Hospital. I didn't get invested 00:34:36.369 --> 00:34:39.650 until like 2002, 2003 when Jason and Sam were 00:34:39.650 --> 00:34:45.460 a couple. Oh, okay. I was 22 and 23 years old 00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:47.579 at that time. I'm like, oh my God, how the hell 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:50.960 am I getting invested in this now? It's hard. 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.579 And it's weird because it's a weird exercise 00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:57.059 in watching television because nothing happens 00:34:57.059 --> 00:35:00.219 almost in every episode. And then really, I used 00:35:00.219 --> 00:35:02.619 to be obsessed with it so that I would make my 00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:05.440 parents record the episodes on VCR while I was 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:10.000 at school. You know, then you'd be like, oh, 00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:12.119 no, I missed this scene. And then, you know, 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.920 I'd go on vacation or something and we wouldn't 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.159 be able to record it. And I'd be like, what am 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.980 I going to do? And later you're just like, what 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:19.119 are you talking about? Nothing happened. Like 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:20.960 you could come back a month later and like the 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.239 plot is still the same, man. You're fine. Sometimes 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.320 they're still having the same conversation in 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.889 the same room. But it felt very vital then. It 00:35:30.889 --> 00:35:33.269 felt very important that I not miss a second 00:35:33.269 --> 00:35:37.289 of this soap opera, which is kind of crazy. And 00:35:37.289 --> 00:35:39.869 luckily that era did not last long. I think, 00:35:39.869 --> 00:35:41.989 yeah, just sort of like 13 to 16. And then I 00:35:41.989 --> 00:35:45.070 was kind of over it. Thank God, because that 00:35:45.070 --> 00:35:48.230 was intense. Were you loyal or partial to specific 00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:51.050 TV networks when you were a kid? How about now? 00:35:52.539 --> 00:35:54.880 Definitely not as a kid. And Canada, it's a little 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.639 different, too, because most of the content was 00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.719 coming from America, made by totally different 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.400 networks than the ones we were watching it on. 00:36:00.820 --> 00:36:03.920 Sort of our two major public ones were global 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.579 and CTV. Not public, sorry. I guess private, 00:36:06.619 --> 00:36:09.320 like commercial networks were CTV and global. 00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:12.179 And I would watch whatever the show was on any 00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:16.460 of those things that, yeah, where it made the 00:36:16.460 --> 00:36:19.139 most sense, I guess. I had no really concept 00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:21.440 of that. And as I went through a real big ABC 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.159 phase in my mid -20s when they had that huge 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.119 resurgence with Lost and Desperate Housewives 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.440 and Grey's Anatomy, I became like an ABC loyalist 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.139 because I was so interested in the story of how 00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:32.719 they were like fourth and they shot to number 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.340 one with all these shows that the guy who was 00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:38.260 fired had greenlit, right? I think it was Lloyd 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:40.159 Braun was his name and he had greenlit all these 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.440 shows. But because he hadn't gotten the numbers 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.449 out up. before he got fired before they all premiered 00:36:45.449 --> 00:36:47.329 and then they all like were smashes right and 00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:49.769 it was like this interesting hook of a story 00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:55.590 from 2004 so the abc loyalist phase and um now 00:36:55.590 --> 00:36:57.590 i guess you know i went through a bit of that 00:36:57.590 --> 00:37:00.190 like wb phase as well where like all the shows 00:37:00.190 --> 00:37:02.570 that i really liked were kind of on the wb you 00:37:02.570 --> 00:37:05.309 know when you were watching Buffy and Angel, 00:37:05.489 --> 00:37:07.570 the teen shows, even though I wasn't watching 00:37:07.570 --> 00:37:09.510 them on the WB because we didn't get that here. 00:37:09.630 --> 00:37:13.329 I was really into that culture of the WB as being 00:37:13.329 --> 00:37:15.769 the place where all the cool teens and early 00:37:15.769 --> 00:37:20.050 20s people hung out and watched stuff. Yeah, 00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:23.469 absolutely, absolutely. Wasn't Lloyd Braun just 00:37:23.469 --> 00:37:29.760 a character on Seinfeld? uh i swear i don't know 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.519 i'd have to i don't know man i gotta look that 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.260 up i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that his name 00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:35.420 was lloyd braun he was the guy who like greenlit 00:37:35.420 --> 00:37:38.699 this stuff and then um yeah it was fired before 00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:41.400 it premiered and it was one of the craziest years 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.260 of television either because it was those were 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:46.039 some of the biggest smashes and kind of a new 00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.610 era of network television yeah Network TV was 00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:51.650 back, baby. I mean, my God, Grey's Anatomy is 00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:54.449 still on from that season. That was a mid -season 00:37:54.449 --> 00:37:57.809 show, so it didn't premiere in 2004. It premiered 00:37:57.809 --> 00:37:59.550 in 2005, but it had already been greenlit and 00:37:59.550 --> 00:38:01.969 the first episodes had been made. It premiered 00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:06.369 in 2005 after the Christmas holidays and it was 00:38:06.369 --> 00:38:10.630 still on the air. That's insane to think about. 00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.510 To think about how many years have passed since 00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:16.929 then and that show is still on the air. 20 years. 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:18.940 Yeah. Same with stuff like, you know, when you, 00:38:18.940 --> 00:38:20.340 when you, when it's animated or something like 00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:21.920 the Simpsons, it feels a little different because 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.139 it's sort of like, these are cartoon characters 00:38:24.139 --> 00:38:27.739 that don't really age or change that much, but 00:38:27.739 --> 00:38:31.159 like to have a show with actors and these like 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.940 on the air for like, wow, that's wild. Crazy. 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.840 Wild. Crazy. Yeah. When streaming came along, 00:38:39.980 --> 00:38:42.199 did you resist it at first? What was the first 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.460 streaming show that you. were in that drew you 00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:48.260 in? No, I definitely didn't resist. I, I mean, 00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:49.760 I always thought that I would still want to own 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.980 physical things because I was really into collecting 00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:55.760 DVDs. But as soon as Netflix was sort of like 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.739 available, like I got into house of cards right 00:38:57.739 --> 00:39:01.000 away because it was just low hanging fruit and 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.860 it was easy to watch. And yeah, so I did, I did 00:39:03.860 --> 00:39:05.800 the house of cards and the orange is the new 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.179 black thing right off the bat and was really 00:39:08.179 --> 00:39:11.400 into both of those. Still to this day, I've never 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.199 seen either of them. I've watched everything 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.739 else on Netflix. I've never watched either one 00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:20.099 of them. In retrospect, House of Cards obviously 00:39:20.099 --> 00:39:23.809 kind of turned out in a bad place. Kevin Spacey 00:39:23.809 --> 00:39:25.750 and everything. But the first season was really 00:39:25.750 --> 00:39:28.610 compelling. But Orange is the New Black was a 00:39:28.610 --> 00:39:30.570 really good show because it was a stealth show 00:39:30.570 --> 00:39:33.670 that really introduced diverse characters in 00:39:33.670 --> 00:39:35.449 a different way because the first season was 00:39:35.449 --> 00:39:37.829 sort of based on this book by this white woman 00:39:37.829 --> 00:39:40.909 who went to jail for being involved in sort of 00:39:40.909 --> 00:39:46.510 selling drugs. So her character, Piper, goes 00:39:46.510 --> 00:39:48.909 to this all -women's prison, and it's sort of 00:39:48.909 --> 00:39:51.429 about this sort of waspy woman, like, what am 00:39:51.429 --> 00:39:53.750 I doing here? How do I fit in? This is crazy. 00:39:54.329 --> 00:39:58.559 But very quickly, that... premise was kind of 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.300 like sidelined to become really a show about 00:40:01.300 --> 00:40:03.840 a strong group of Black characters and Latina 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:05.519 characters and Asian characters and different 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.519 cultures within prisons. You know, lesbian characters, 00:40:08.739 --> 00:40:11.619 queer characters, older characters, people of 00:40:11.619 --> 00:40:14.780 all different weights and types of faces and 00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:19.500 just abilities. It was... a very cool way to 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:21.960 have a bunch of diverse characters on screen, 00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:24.880 especially diverse female characters. So yeah, 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:26.900 I would recommend that one for sure to watch. 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.679 I don't recommend anybody bother with house of 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.360 cards at this point, but it was fun at the time. 00:40:30.619 --> 00:40:35.139 Fun at the time. Times they are changing. Oh 00:40:35.139 --> 00:40:39.460 boy. Do you still watch broadcast TV or cable? 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.369 Why or why not? I do not because I do not have 00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:47.210 it. I cut the cord or the literal fake, I don't 00:40:47.210 --> 00:40:48.670 know, it's not really a cord, but the metaphorical 00:40:48.670 --> 00:40:52.110 cord a while ago because I just, I never turned 00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:54.809 on the television for the purposes of doing that. 00:40:54.909 --> 00:40:57.170 And I would PVR things and they would just pile 00:40:57.170 --> 00:40:59.090 up on my PVR and I just wasn't watching them. 00:40:59.730 --> 00:41:01.889 I go to my parents' house a couple times a year 00:41:01.889 --> 00:41:04.010 to watch the Oscars and a bunch of other award 00:41:04.010 --> 00:41:06.289 shows because I'm a bit of a award show nut. 00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:09.750 But that's really it. I do watch a lot of shows 00:41:09.750 --> 00:41:12.449 that are on broadcast, but I watch them when 00:41:12.449 --> 00:41:14.590 they end up on streaming. On streaming, yeah. 00:41:14.769 --> 00:41:16.889 And so in Canada, that's either, you know, obviously 00:41:16.889 --> 00:41:19.190 the Disney Plus stuff will end up, or the ABC 00:41:19.190 --> 00:41:21.809 Fox stuff often ends up on Disney Plus. And then 00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:24.570 we've got Crave here. So the stuff that ends 00:41:24.570 --> 00:41:27.150 up on CTV in Canada, which can come from all 00:41:27.150 --> 00:41:30.429 over, often ends up on Crave after the fact. 00:41:31.809 --> 00:41:33.929 And there are some shows that I just have never 00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:36.039 checked out simply because they haven't. ended 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.880 up anywhere and I haven't bothered to go out 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.039 of my way to find them or to seek them out outside 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:44.840 of all the streaming services. And I have all 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.000 of the streaming services because let's say we 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.440 definitely do not share them with random people. 00:41:49.460 --> 00:41:52.820 No, we would never do that. But we have Apple 00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:55.840 TV and Disney Plus and Crave and Netflix and 00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.300 people that we know and definitely don't share 00:41:59.300 --> 00:42:04.380 with have Paramount and Acorn. Add a bunch of 00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:06.519 other ones, too. Yeah, there's a lot. A lot. 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.460 There's so many of them. Prime. I forgot Prime. 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:11.400 Prime's a big one. Yeah, we have that, too. Prime's 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.719 a big one. Yep, yep, yep. I don't even know. 00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:17.019 So I've been living. I had moved from Washington 00:42:17.019 --> 00:42:22.739 State to Indiana in 2022. This is more for you 00:42:22.739 --> 00:42:24.500 than for the listeners, because I'm pretty sure 00:42:24.500 --> 00:42:26.500 the listeners have heard me say in the last three 00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:29.639 years that, unfortunately, Karen, my late wife, 00:42:29.739 --> 00:42:32.639 had passed away in 2021. I had to move from Washington. 00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:36.210 to hear. Yes. I've been here for three years. 00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:45.809 And even before the move, we never, our TV, we 00:42:45.809 --> 00:42:49.829 were streaming everything. Yeah. Whatever it 00:42:49.829 --> 00:42:55.239 was like, I, I couldn't even tell you. I know 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.860 one local channel out in Vancouver, Washington. 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.820 I mean, technically it was Portland, Oregon's 00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:03.059 channel, but it was syndicated across the river 00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:05.440 to Vancouver because Vancouver is right across 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.519 the river from Portland, Oregon. But here in 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.659 Indiana, I'm in Anderson. I'm 45 minutes northeast 00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:13.900 of Indianapolis, and I can sit here and tell 00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:15.300 that to people. It's fine. It's not that we have 00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:17.679 a deal, but it's one of those things where I 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.099 wouldn't even... I think CBS Indy 4 is the only... 00:43:22.750 --> 00:43:24.889 channel i remember because i remember when i 00:43:24.889 --> 00:43:26.969 moved here three years ago i was like oh i should 00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:30.550 go to facebook and look and see which you know 00:43:30.550 --> 00:43:33.650 which facebook pages for whatever network or 00:43:33.650 --> 00:43:37.650 what and it didn't matter cbs abc whatever i 00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:39.710 was just looking for the low what i was looking 00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:43.170 for was local weather really was to find a local 00:43:43.170 --> 00:43:47.380 weather spot because whatever Kind of thing. 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.679 But I have not. My TV is a 55 inch flat panel 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:55.119 sharp TV that I bought in 2018. It is finally 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:02.199 mounted to a wall in this apartment. And it's 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:05.039 nothing but streaming. It's nothing but streaming. 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.679 I know it has obviously broadcast whatever, but 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:13.059 just I don't know. I just don't. It's just too 00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:15.719 easy. easy to stream and there's so many options 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.179 that going outside of that feels like work in 00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:22.079 a weird way um and i i knew you had moved but 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.460 honestly i i knew it was somewhere in the heartland 00:44:25.460 --> 00:44:27.539 but i i don't really know where all those places 00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:30.219 are kind of in my head i was like for some reason 00:44:30.219 --> 00:44:32.480 i thought that when we did our last two podcasts 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.530 which was after you would move that You were 00:44:34.530 --> 00:44:36.150 in a different time zone. Clearly you weren't. 00:44:36.150 --> 00:44:38.389 No. Right. I kind of, I knew your history and 00:44:38.389 --> 00:44:40.610 I knew that you had moved from somewhere, but 00:44:40.610 --> 00:44:42.510 I, but I didn't know that that meant you switched 00:44:42.510 --> 00:44:44.889 time zones. And I wasn't even sure, like Indiana, 00:44:44.949 --> 00:44:47.170 no offense, but I could have said like Ohio or 00:44:47.170 --> 00:44:51.130 like Iowa. And those are probably in the same 00:44:51.130 --> 00:44:53.090 time zone as me, but I didn't know that or think 00:44:53.090 --> 00:44:56.389 about, yeah, I don't know, man. That's just my 00:44:56.389 --> 00:44:59.630 ignorance about American geography. It's okay. 00:45:00.329 --> 00:45:05.489 I'm sure I'm just as... Look. Niagara Falls, 00:45:05.690 --> 00:45:07.989 you can still go over in a barrel, right? I went 00:45:07.989 --> 00:45:10.889 over in a barrel in 1992. I was 12 years old. 00:45:10.929 --> 00:45:13.250 I survived. You can still go over in a barrel, 00:45:13.329 --> 00:45:18.130 right? Come on now. No, it's fine. I just want 00:45:18.130 --> 00:45:19.849 you to know that it's not that I did not remember 00:45:19.849 --> 00:45:22.769 that you moved. No, no, no. It's fine. No, no, 00:45:22.769 --> 00:45:26.469 no. It's fine. You mentioned the award shows. 00:45:27.070 --> 00:45:31.519 I... I loathe award shows in general because 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.760 I just, I don't like the, it's the process of 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.880 how the awards are selected to be given out to 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:43.760 various people. And that's, that's what I don't 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.599 like about it. I like that people win. I think 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.800 that it's great when, when certain people win. 00:45:48.940 --> 00:45:52.940 But what I like about award shows are moments 00:45:52.940 --> 00:45:56.500 that we sometimes get. Like slap people on live 00:45:56.500 --> 00:46:00.059 television? No, not that moment. I do not like 00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:02.079 that moment. No, that was a thing. You're absolutely 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.840 right. I liked it, but it was something. It was 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.480 something, but that was not a good moment whatsoever 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:11.380 at all. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the 00:46:11.380 --> 00:46:15.320 good moments, the moments you don't expect, the 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.940 moments where, yeah, Fuller's going to drink 00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:20.400 another Pepsi. Fuller, yeah, you're sleeping 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.980 alone tonight, Fuller. Fuller, almost 30 years 00:46:23.980 --> 00:46:32.139 later. Cause yeah. Shit. It's the 30, 30th, 30th, 00:46:32.139 --> 00:46:35.599 35th anniversary of home alone. Wait, 1990, 2025, 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.420 35th anniversary of home alone this year. Uh, 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:45.170 uh, Karen Culkin, his speech. Oh my God. What 00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:47.110 was so great about that in the first place was 00:46:47.110 --> 00:46:50.110 that, you know, he was already a lauded actor 00:46:50.110 --> 00:46:51.949 on television. He'd done movies and stuff, but 00:46:51.949 --> 00:46:53.690 he was in succession and he had won this Emmy 00:46:53.690 --> 00:46:57.090 last year. And so he made that joke about, you 00:46:57.090 --> 00:46:58.670 know, my wife said, if I won an Emmy, we can 00:46:58.670 --> 00:47:00.769 have a third kid. And then, you know, he said 00:47:00.769 --> 00:47:02.389 in the parking lot, oh, well, I actually want 00:47:02.389 --> 00:47:04.070 four. And she said, oh, honey, I'll give you 00:47:04.070 --> 00:47:05.849 four when you win an Oscar. And the funny thing 00:47:05.849 --> 00:47:08.570 about that is that. It wasn't really any likelihood 00:47:08.570 --> 00:47:11.510 last year at all of Kieran Culkin winning an 00:47:11.510 --> 00:47:14.050 Oscar because he hadn't done any movies, big 00:47:14.050 --> 00:47:16.050 movies in a while. It wasn't like if you said 00:47:16.050 --> 00:47:18.730 that to say, like, who hasn't won an Oscar, who 00:47:18.730 --> 00:47:20.550 definitely will at some point. Oh, like Amy Adams. 00:47:20.829 --> 00:47:22.409 If you said that to Amy Adams, you're like, well, 00:47:22.449 --> 00:47:24.150 Amy Adams will eventually win an Oscar. So that's 00:47:24.150 --> 00:47:27.909 that's very likely to happen. You could not have 00:47:27.909 --> 00:47:29.489 predicted that he would find the one movie that 00:47:29.489 --> 00:47:30.909 would get him nominated and then he'd win an 00:47:30.909 --> 00:47:34.789 Oscar the next year. That's so insane. That clip. 00:47:34.929 --> 00:47:38.449 I just love the way he tells that story. He's 00:47:38.449 --> 00:47:42.329 a masterful comedian. He is so good. Honey, love 00:47:42.329 --> 00:47:48.010 of my life, ye of little faith. Of course she 00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:51.130 had little faith. He didn't see himself there. 00:47:51.210 --> 00:47:55.519 That's what's so funny. No, I know. It was great. 00:47:57.260 --> 00:48:02.360 That's what I love about award shows. Moments 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.980 like that. There was another moment from last 00:48:05.980 --> 00:48:10.320 year. What happened last year? Oh, God. There 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.300 was another good moment. I don't think I remember 00:48:13.300 --> 00:48:17.059 much from last year. Oh, there was another. I 00:48:17.059 --> 00:48:20.440 don't know. I saw that moment. And like I said, 00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:22.760 there's some other said whatever. I don't know. 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.780 There's a clip of Kieran Culkin being asked something 00:48:25.780 --> 00:48:28.760 on the red carpet. I think someone, the reporter 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.380 said, oh, there's this thing on the Internet 00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:32.099 where people are wondering who would win in a 00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:34.440 fight between the Culkin brothers and the Skarsgård 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.019 brothers. And the look on his face, he was like, 00:48:36.099 --> 00:48:40.360 have you seen those guys? Yeah, exactly. He said 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.739 they would murder us. They would kill us. Maybe 00:48:42.739 --> 00:48:44.500 if one of them had a hand tied behind his back. 00:48:44.619 --> 00:48:47.099 I don't know. But it was the funniest reaction. 00:48:47.420 --> 00:48:48.840 He was like, are you out of your mind? Those 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.780 guys are giants. They would literally murder 00:48:52.780 --> 00:48:56.260 us. I like watching all of the content ahead 00:48:56.260 --> 00:48:58.420 of time. It's almost like a game for me when 00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:00.239 people get nominated that I'm like, okay, let's 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:01.820 see how many of these I can watch so that I feel 00:49:01.820 --> 00:49:06.420 informed. And I also like the fashion. I do love... 00:49:07.099 --> 00:49:09.460 I love watching the fashion. I love the dresses. 00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.380 I love going online and talking about the dresses. 00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:15.000 That's probably not your thing, but me, yeah, 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.960 no. That's part of the spectacle of it all. What 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.139 I used to like, I don't do this anymore, obviously, 00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:26.139 but what I used to like was I used to like watching 00:49:26.139 --> 00:49:29.559 Fashion Police. I used to like Joan and Kelly 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:33.880 and all of them breaking it down. But since Joan 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:38.800 has... It's just not the same anymore. Yeah. 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:41.699 It's just not the same anymore. No, it's true. 00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.699 It's true. So this Canadian friend of mine here, 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.860 folks, she's nuts. There's no way we're going 00:49:47.860 --> 00:49:50.360 to do this, but we're going to try. Top 10 shows 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.780 of all time. Go. Well, I wrote it down. So it's 00:49:52.780 --> 00:49:54.760 not like I just caught them off the head by me. 00:49:54.860 --> 00:50:00.219 I cheated. I cheated. I knew what the question 00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:03.400 was. I was probably sitting here going, uh, who? 00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:06.900 Okay, but I didn't think about it too hard, so 00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:11.039 I'm probably missing a ton. Lost, Buffy and Angel. 00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:12.320 I'm just going to call them one show. I think 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.900 that's fair. The West Wing, Veronica Mars, Crazy 00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:19.380 Ex -Girlfriend, Gilmore Girls, Everwood, Scrubs, 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.840 Friday Night Lights, and Battlestar Galactica 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.940 with Wild Cards, Ted Lasso, and The Mindy Project. 00:50:25.539 --> 00:50:29.500 Those are my... Yeah. there's probably lots that 00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:31.559 i'm forgetting and it's funny because i'm looking 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:33.420 through and i'm like god there's really no other 00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:35.719 than ted lasso which is like a wild card the 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.639 funny thing is now despite the fact that all 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.699 i do is watch streaming every single one of these 00:50:39.699 --> 00:50:42.260 shows is a from a like almost a different era 00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:45.639 except maybe crazy ex -girlfriend before streaming 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:51.800 yeah and i think that's because At least I don't 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.300 re -watch things in the same way that I used 00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:57.380 to because there's just too much to watch. There's 00:50:57.380 --> 00:50:59.800 so many shows that I watch now and I love, but 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:04.079 they don't retain the same spot in my head or 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.000 my heart because I don't have this DVD that I 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.059 am then re -watching over and over and over. 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.420 Sometimes you'll go back and watch episodes here 00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:15.980 and there or occasionally watch a whole series 00:51:15.980 --> 00:51:18.139 with a person who hasn't seen it yet. But even 00:51:18.139 --> 00:51:20.409 then, you'll... often pick one of these series 00:51:20.409 --> 00:51:23.289 instead of the newer series. So it's interesting 00:51:23.289 --> 00:51:24.989 because it's definitely, I think it's changed 00:51:24.989 --> 00:51:26.750 the game. And it also could be that those are 00:51:26.750 --> 00:51:29.849 the shows from my relative youth, not like youth, 00:51:29.909 --> 00:51:33.309 youth, but like my 20s, most of them, 20s, maybe 00:51:33.309 --> 00:51:36.349 some like early 30s. So that those tend to, I 00:51:36.349 --> 00:51:38.889 think, stick with you being from a part of your 00:51:38.889 --> 00:51:42.489 life that's very formative, you know? I bet if 00:51:42.489 --> 00:51:44.750 you asked a lot of people who were in their 50s 00:51:44.750 --> 00:51:46.329 what their favorite shows were, some of them 00:51:46.329 --> 00:51:49.190 would pick shows maybe a decade earlier, you 00:51:49.190 --> 00:51:51.670 know, or vice versa. I don't know. Maybe not. 00:51:51.809 --> 00:51:54.889 TV's changed a lot. But for sure, I just noticed 00:51:54.889 --> 00:51:58.949 as I was writing that down that, yeah, like. 00:51:59.530 --> 00:52:01.989 I could, you know, if I went back through all 00:52:01.989 --> 00:52:03.630 the shows I recently watched and tried to think, 00:52:03.690 --> 00:52:05.550 would any of these make the top 10? I'd have 00:52:05.550 --> 00:52:07.349 to really think about it. They don't come instinctually 00:52:07.349 --> 00:52:08.769 to me when someone asks me. Well, literally, 00:52:08.969 --> 00:52:11.869 when someone says go, this is what came to mind 00:52:11.869 --> 00:52:13.869 pretty much immediately. I just had to write 00:52:13.869 --> 00:52:16.909 it down. So I. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, like 00:52:16.909 --> 00:52:18.710 that. That's interesting. I just find that find 00:52:18.710 --> 00:52:21.050 that interesting, intriguing. I don't know. Yeah, 00:52:21.110 --> 00:52:23.599 absolutely. This question is going to be difficult 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.559 for me when I end up answering these questions, 00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:30.099 because honestly, I know some, but I don't know. 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:33.800 Like, it's no disrespect to them, but I don't 00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:35.800 know many off the top of my head. Who are some 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.039 of your favorite TV writers and why? Like, I 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.199 don't have writers in my brain as much as I have 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:46.320 actors and actresses. I wish I did. I feel like 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.699 I have the opposite. I mean, the actors are in 00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:50.039 my brain, but I don't think of them as the architects 00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:51.900 in the same way. So the writers are the people 00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:54.960 that I really fanned over, but it's complicated. 00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:58.260 It's complicated because a lot of my favorite 00:52:58.260 --> 00:53:00.840 writers or who used to be my favorite writers, 00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:06.639 I have now, I still admire their work, but I 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.119 am no longer, I would no longer consider myself 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.639 a fan of them. So like Joss Whedon, for example, 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:16.179 was always someone who I, I just adored his work, 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.900 but him as a person has become quite problematic. 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.340 Amy Sherman Palladino, who wrote The Gilmore 00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:26.940 Girls, I don't love her politics either. But 00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:30.820 what I liked about their writing, and also Aaron 00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:32.659 Sorkin, who's also one of my favorite writers, 00:53:32.739 --> 00:53:35.280 and he wrote The West Wing and Sports Night and 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:40.369 Studio 60 and all that stuff. What I like about 00:53:40.369 --> 00:53:42.969 the way they write is it's very intentional and 00:53:42.969 --> 00:53:46.789 very fast paced. Lots of dialogue. You know, 00:53:46.789 --> 00:53:48.369 Aaron Sorkin kind of is the king of like the 00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:51.190 walk and talk where the actors would just walk 00:53:51.190 --> 00:53:54.630 around the space of the show and like kind of 00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:56.570 give a ton of exposition and banter and like 00:53:56.570 --> 00:53:58.150 just keep talking and walk. There was never any 00:53:58.150 --> 00:54:01.590 like dead air. And Amy Sherman Palladino is very 00:54:01.590 --> 00:54:03.190 much like the female version of that. Like the 00:54:03.190 --> 00:54:06.349 Gilmore Girls is just full of constant chatter, 00:54:06.409 --> 00:54:09.820 constant quippiness. Those are a very intentional 00:54:09.820 --> 00:54:15.059 kind of writing that is very stylistic. And it's 00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:18.800 one that doesn't involve a lot of ad -libbing 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.239 or improv. Like, you know, the people, Lauren 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.239 Graham and other actors on Gilmore Girls have 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.500 said, like, you would get stopped if you said 00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:27.440 and instead of the. And she would say, no, it's 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.519 the. No, it's and. Because it's the flow of the 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.860 words that really mattered. And having said that, 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:36.679 the other style of writing that I really like 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.059 is the way that Jason Kadams would write. And 00:54:40.059 --> 00:54:43.460 he was the one who did Friday Night Lights, where 00:54:43.460 --> 00:54:47.320 it's so realistic. It feels like it's not really 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.880 written, which is the opposite. You watch the 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.239 West Wing and you're like, someone wrote the 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.360 shit out of this. Right? Or you watch Gilmore 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.280 Girls, you're like, obviously, no one talks like 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.099 this. This is a style. But when you watch Friday 00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:01.670 Night Lights, it... It's very minimalist and 00:55:01.670 --> 00:55:03.690 it feels like the characters are having authentic 00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:07.670 conversations that often just, they feel so realistic 00:55:07.670 --> 00:55:10.429 that it does feel as if they haven't been written, 00:55:10.489 --> 00:55:12.050 although they obviously were. And that's very 00:55:12.050 --> 00:55:14.210 different, but I really like that style as well. 00:55:14.269 --> 00:55:16.650 So he is one of my favorites. Rob Thomas, who 00:55:16.650 --> 00:55:20.610 did Veronica Mars. I love Mindy Kaling. I love 00:55:20.610 --> 00:55:22.889 Bill Lawrence, who did Ted Lasso and who did 00:55:22.889 --> 00:55:27.530 Scrubs. And Dan Fogelman. uh, who wrote this 00:55:27.530 --> 00:55:30.150 is us. Now we did that podcast together and we 00:55:30.150 --> 00:55:31.909 both talked about how we never finished the show. 00:55:31.989 --> 00:55:36.889 Cause it was just a lot. Um, you know, he writes 00:55:36.889 --> 00:55:39.309 relationships so well. And I think this is us 00:55:39.309 --> 00:55:41.190 was a little bit challenging because the show 00:55:41.190 --> 00:55:43.849 was just all about relationships. And so it's 00:55:43.849 --> 00:55:48.250 just like, you're watching people like in all 00:55:48.250 --> 00:55:51.050 of the, the sort of the ups and downs of life, 00:55:51.130 --> 00:55:53.090 but nothing else. That's like the main meat. 00:55:53.449 --> 00:55:55.909 I found that a little tough to get through, but 00:55:55.909 --> 00:55:59.610 he also wrote pitch, which I am obsessed with, 00:55:59.690 --> 00:56:03.050 which is just a one season show. And he's, he's 00:56:03.050 --> 00:56:06.489 currently a writer on paradise, which is a Hulu 00:56:06.489 --> 00:56:10.150 show that I'm watching right now. And I really 00:56:10.150 --> 00:56:12.980 love, cause it's more of like, Not exactly. It's 00:56:12.980 --> 00:56:16.519 more like a mystery, kind of very episodic. Sorry, 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:17.719 not very episodic. The opposite of episodic. 00:56:17.820 --> 00:56:19.780 Serialized. That's what I meant to say. Serialized 00:56:19.780 --> 00:56:23.360 show about a strange thing, which I don't want 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:28.340 to spoil. But it was an interesting show for 00:56:28.340 --> 00:56:31.019 him to write because I see him as like a relationship 00:56:31.019 --> 00:56:32.960 writer. What I love about the writing in that 00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.920 series is that it takes kind of the mystery element 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.099 and the intrigue and all the plot twists of those 00:56:39.099 --> 00:56:42.579 types of shows. But then the dialogue and the 00:56:42.579 --> 00:56:45.280 interactions between all the characters have 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.679 that really authentic kind of heart and feel 00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:51.119 to it that you would get in This Is Us, but it's 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.139 not too much because it's not the only thing 00:56:53.139 --> 00:56:56.260 that's happening, which I feel is sometimes something 00:56:56.260 --> 00:56:58.079 that's missing from some of those shows that 00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:02.059 are very concept -driven, that they don't have 00:57:02.059 --> 00:57:04.940 that kind of... good character interaction that 00:57:04.940 --> 00:57:07.579 really feels like authentic and and hits you 00:57:07.579 --> 00:57:09.300 in a way you're like oh man that's a that's a 00:57:09.300 --> 00:57:11.739 truth right there right so he's great at that 00:57:11.739 --> 00:57:14.289 and i I'm really appreciating his writing on 00:57:14.289 --> 00:57:15.690 that show. I just keep talking about it every 00:57:15.690 --> 00:57:17.269 time we watch the episodes with my husband, which 00:57:17.269 --> 00:57:18.829 I'm currently doing. I'm like, Oh, this guy, 00:57:18.909 --> 00:57:21.050 he does this thing. It's so good. He's like, 00:57:21.110 --> 00:57:26.429 okay, okay. So, so yeah, I guess that's some 00:57:26.429 --> 00:57:28.829 of my, some of my favorite writers. Yeah, absolutely. 00:57:29.369 --> 00:57:32.730 Yeah. And again, it's no disrespect. It's more 00:57:32.730 --> 00:57:37.190 of, I need to see the, like, so currently we 00:57:37.190 --> 00:57:41.710 just, well, we just wrapped up the fast saga. 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.940 series here on studio 2009 actually no we didn't 00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:51.800 wrap it up we're interrupting it uh film uh 10 00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.199 and 11 will be coming up next after this episode 00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.599 folks but we're in the middle of that but we 00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.039 just wrapped up season two of colombo the colombo 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.300 files where my buddy dave draper and i are going 00:58:02.300 --> 00:58:05.800 episode by episode going through colombo and 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.809 for me When I do research on the TV shows for 00:58:09.809 --> 00:58:11.989 the episodes, I look at the writer, I look and 00:58:11.989 --> 00:58:15.369 see what other things they wrote, or I look to 00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:18.110 see if I recognize the writer's name or whatever, 00:58:18.309 --> 00:58:20.989 and we just go and we just look at it. Columbo 00:58:20.989 --> 00:58:24.389 has a specific sort of format. Sometimes they 00:58:24.389 --> 00:58:26.710 play with the formula, sometimes they don't. 00:58:27.670 --> 00:58:32.150 But I need to actively take note of the writer 00:58:32.150 --> 00:58:35.289 when the credit comes up on the screen for me 00:58:35.289 --> 00:58:40.380 to... pay attention to that's why my origins 00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:42.539 and tv watching episode folks it's probably not 00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:44.980 going to be until episode 250 of this podcast 00:58:44.980 --> 00:58:48.059 because i got a lot of research i gotta do with 00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:52.719 some of these questions uh so and again it's 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.179 it's no disrespect to anybody and i think you 00:58:55.179 --> 00:58:56.719 know talking about earlier how you're talking 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.599 about you know certain people we don't necessarily 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:01.400 like the people what we like the work that they 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.409 did Yeah, and I would say that also there's different 00:59:04.409 --> 00:59:07.429 eras. Like the era of the TV writer, I think, 00:59:07.429 --> 00:59:12.869 really didn't start until the late 90s, early 00:59:12.869 --> 00:59:16.889 2000s, when it became about the showrunners and 00:59:16.889 --> 00:59:18.789 the creators. Because the people that I mentioned 00:59:18.789 --> 00:59:21.449 are mostly, these are showrunner creators. That 00:59:21.449 --> 00:59:23.210 doesn't mean that they wrote every episode. That's 00:59:23.210 --> 00:59:26.340 the thing. Right. Oh, yeah. They're the architects. 00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.599 Well, except for Aaron Sorkin, that man, I swear 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:30.699 to God, he was writing Sports Night and West 00:59:30.699 --> 00:59:32.539 Wing at the same time. He wrote like, I want 00:59:32.539 --> 00:59:36.159 to say like 17 of 21 episodes. He was insane. 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.699 He was a bit of a control freak. And Amy Sherman 00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:41.679 Palladino, a little bit the same. But for the 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:43.960 most part, I'm not necessarily talking about, 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.420 you know, the credit at the end of the episode. 00:59:47.579 --> 00:59:50.920 I guess more talking about that, the showrunner 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.769 and the style and the guiding of that. I think 00:59:54.769 --> 00:59:56.650 when people became super fans of TV, they started 00:59:56.650 --> 00:59:59.050 to become super fans of writers. I remember being 00:59:59.050 --> 01:00:02.070 a Buffy fan that you'd be fans of the people 01:00:02.070 --> 01:00:06.039 that wrote those. And that was a big deal. And 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.739 Lost, too. When I was a big fan of Lost, we would 01:00:09.739 --> 01:00:11.539 go into the chat rooms and we would talk to the 01:00:11.539 --> 01:00:14.579 writers. And that was like our big thing. Right. 01:00:14.659 --> 01:00:16.639 Like, you know, oh, that's so -and -so's episode. 01:00:16.739 --> 01:00:18.440 That's so -and -so's episode. Right. You know, 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.900 especially season one with with the classic episodes. 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:22.960 Like we were really into like who was assigned 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.000 what episode and kind of how it played out. So, 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.880 yeah, absolutely. And I mean, like like I said, 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.940 it's more of you're right. I think it kind of. 01:00:33.610 --> 01:00:35.769 I think once the internet kind of took off and 01:00:35.769 --> 01:00:38.429 the whole internet TV culture of discussing TV 01:00:38.429 --> 01:00:41.349 on the internet versus going to the water cooler 01:00:41.349 --> 01:00:44.130 at whatever office job you had or whatever kind 01:00:44.130 --> 01:00:47.250 of thing, the conversation changed and it went 01:00:47.250 --> 01:00:49.989 online. You could then some, you know, back when 01:00:49.989 --> 01:00:52.829 Twitter wasn't, well, it was always a cesspool, 01:00:52.869 --> 01:00:55.599 but. back when it wasn't so much of a cesspool 01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:57.820 and you could actually reach out to people and, 01:00:57.900 --> 01:01:00.340 Hey, I really liked the episode that you wrote 01:01:00.340 --> 01:01:03.460 last night or really like this or whatever. Yeah. 01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:08.860 But like, for me, like I can remember like it's 01:01:08.860 --> 01:01:11.300 more so cartoons than TV shows, but like take 01:01:11.300 --> 01:01:13.840 transformers, for example, as, as a cartoon, 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:18.179 Buzz Dixon, David Wise, Michael Charles Hill, 01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.219 like all of those are separate writers of those 01:01:21.219 --> 01:01:24.530 of episodes of that cartoon. David Wise, may 01:01:24.530 --> 01:01:27.570 the man rest in peace. He's been gone 15 years 01:01:27.570 --> 01:01:31.130 now. Anyway, the point is, is that those are 01:01:31.130 --> 01:01:33.389 writers I remember off the top of my head because 01:01:33.389 --> 01:01:35.369 it's a cartoon and a franchise that I've been 01:01:35.369 --> 01:01:37.829 involved with pretty much my whole life because 01:01:37.829 --> 01:01:39.989 I was four years old when that franchise started. 01:01:40.309 --> 01:01:42.889 So that's my thing with the TV writer question 01:01:42.889 --> 01:01:46.530 here is when I get to getting my episode done 01:01:46.530 --> 01:01:50.650 for this. I have to do so much research on the 01:01:50.650 --> 01:01:53.250 TV shows that I've loved over my lifetime to 01:01:53.250 --> 01:01:57.170 make sure that I can have a list of people I 01:01:57.170 --> 01:01:59.190 can talk about. Like, yeah, I could talk about 01:01:59.190 --> 01:02:02.150 Joss Whedon and how I like certain episodes that 01:02:02.150 --> 01:02:05.889 he wrote of Angel and certain story arcs in Angel 01:02:05.889 --> 01:02:11.079 because I'm sorry. Look, folks, anyone who's 01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.960 listened to my podcast knows that I have the 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.019 opinion of opinions are like assholes. Everybody's 01:02:16.019 --> 01:02:18.639 got one. There are no hot takes. Opinions are 01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.960 opinions. Everybody's got one. Angel is better 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.500 than Buffy in my personal opinion. I think some 01:02:24.500 --> 01:02:26.739 of the episodes of Angel are some of the strongest, 01:02:26.900 --> 01:02:29.659 I would say, for sure. I think it's a little 01:02:29.659 --> 01:02:31.820 bit. I mean, I kind of have half. I don't get 01:02:31.820 --> 01:02:33.260 offended when people say that. I know some people 01:02:33.260 --> 01:02:37.300 are like, what are you talking about? Angel has 01:02:37.300 --> 01:02:39.000 a special place in my heart as well, and there 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.340 were episodes on it that were really brilliant. 01:02:41.860 --> 01:02:44.619 I don't know if overall maybe some of the arcs 01:02:44.619 --> 01:02:46.239 weren't as strong. It's hard to say. But also, 01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:52.780 I think that it's when TV became less episodic 01:02:52.780 --> 01:02:55.639 that the showrunner and the creator became more 01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.139 of a thing. I don't watch The Sopranos, but I 01:02:59.139 --> 01:03:01.239 know who David Chase is, right? Yeah, exactly. 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.119 You know, I knew Mark Cherry created Desperate 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.639 Housewives and it was a whole thing. You know, 01:03:07.659 --> 01:03:10.059 I know Matthew Weiner did Mad Men, even though 01:03:10.059 --> 01:03:12.159 I wasn't a Mad Men stan. And I think part of 01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.719 that is because they became bigger figures because 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:17.519 they were guiding these like arcs and these sort 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.940 of big serialized worlds. Whereas, you know, 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.119 in the episodic 80s and stuff, you really didn't 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.940 know that as much. So those names didn't stand 01:03:25.940 --> 01:03:28.460 out in the same way. That was part of it as well. 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.239 Not that they weren't great writers. I mean, 01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:32.099 they were amazing. They did amazing. work, but 01:03:32.099 --> 01:03:35.000 it just didn't have the same cultural recognition. 01:03:36.860 --> 01:03:41.579 It's like you're saying, the way that TV shifted, 01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:48.000 the writing credit sort of changed, whereas you 01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:51.679 have, take Knight Rider, for example, another 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.170 one of my favorites. You have Glenn A. Larson 01:03:54.170 --> 01:03:56.710 who created the show. I think Glenn wrote a couple 01:03:56.710 --> 01:03:59.010 of episodes, but most of those you have, again, 01:03:59.170 --> 01:04:02.070 similar to Transformers, you have specific writers 01:04:02.070 --> 01:04:05.010 writing each episode kind of thing. And then 01:04:05.010 --> 01:04:08.190 you get down to, like you're saying, with Angel 01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:11.610 and with other shows. Like, take The Shield with 01:04:11.610 --> 01:04:16.860 Sean Ryan. Yeah. I love that. Love that series. 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.360 There you go. Then you would spend, there you 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:19.880 go. You just got one right there. Sean Ryan. 01:04:19.980 --> 01:04:24.360 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go. But, uh, but 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.099 it's one of those things where I just, I want 01:04:28.099 --> 01:04:32.079 to make sure I have enough where I can, you know, 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:34.760 I, I never want to go into any, any one of these 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:36.579 things and answer any of these questions on my 01:04:36.579 --> 01:04:39.650 own where it's like, I don't have an answer for 01:04:39.650 --> 01:04:42.590 that because I don't know what the hell I'm talking 01:04:42.590 --> 01:04:45.829 about. Yeah, except for your honest answer is 01:04:45.829 --> 01:04:47.670 kind of that, you know, I have writers I like, 01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:49.710 but honestly, that hasn't been the pull for me. 01:04:49.750 --> 01:04:52.409 I've never been, you know, like that is your 01:04:52.409 --> 01:04:55.190 true TV watching habit is that you don't necessarily 01:04:55.190 --> 01:04:58.909 probably watch TV from that perspective as much 01:04:58.909 --> 01:05:00.829 as maybe some other people do. And everyone has 01:05:00.829 --> 01:05:02.289 their own way of watching television, right? 01:05:02.789 --> 01:05:06.320 That's true. There you go. What defines a good 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.500 story for you in television? I think it has to 01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.719 have something to say about the human condition. 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.840 I know that that's a little bit cheesy, but I 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:21.559 think if you take plot or mystery or anything 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:23.179 else out of the equation, those are great to 01:05:23.179 --> 01:05:26.519 have and you need those. But if you don't have 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:31.280 something to say, that's... whether it's a metaphor 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.420 for something or whether it's just an insight 01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:39.400 that really hits people, that it's empty. And 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:41.920 I think that's what makes a story really special 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:47.980 is that extra insight, that extra level or layer. 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.940 Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's get to the 01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:54.699 celebrities. Who are some of your favorite TV 01:05:54.699 --> 01:05:59.199 actors and or actresses? This is the question 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:02.780 I had the hardest trouble answering. And I think 01:06:02.780 --> 01:06:04.260 maybe that's because like, I don't know, isn't 01:06:04.260 --> 01:06:06.380 everybody a TV actress now? Like, I feel like 01:06:06.380 --> 01:06:09.860 there isn't the line there once was, you know 01:06:09.860 --> 01:06:11.619 what I mean? Where it's like, this guy does television, 01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:14.239 this person doesn't. You know, you have movie 01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:17.199 stars winning awards for limited series and Kathy 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:20.409 Bates is in Matlock and, you know. But I had 01:06:20.409 --> 01:06:24.250 to start somewhere. Yeah. So I think I'm just 01:06:24.250 --> 01:06:27.250 going to go with Lauren Graham just because she's 01:06:27.250 --> 01:06:29.429 sort of been consistently television and has 01:06:29.429 --> 01:06:32.809 been one of my favorite actresses for years. 01:06:33.050 --> 01:06:34.630 And if you take the whole run on Gilmore Girls 01:06:34.630 --> 01:06:36.750 and the whole run on Parenthood and a couple 01:06:36.750 --> 01:06:38.329 of other different series that she's been in, 01:06:38.429 --> 01:06:40.110 yeah, I think she would probably be consistently 01:06:40.110 --> 01:06:42.409 one of my favorites. I just really like her style. 01:06:42.489 --> 01:06:48.329 I like the comedy. I like the... She kind of 01:06:48.329 --> 01:06:51.329 does a similar thing, but altered a little bit. 01:06:51.530 --> 01:06:54.289 But she has a bit of a brand that I really enjoy, 01:06:54.510 --> 01:06:57.349 I guess I would say. Very cool, very cool. Is 01:06:57.349 --> 01:06:59.989 there a criminally underrated show that you think 01:06:59.989 --> 01:07:03.250 everyone needs to watch? You know, I struggle 01:07:03.250 --> 01:07:05.230 with this one too. It's like, is that right now? 01:07:05.309 --> 01:07:09.389 Or is it in the past? Like, I'm not sure. There's 01:07:09.389 --> 01:07:14.849 so many shows that people don't, that maybe aren't 01:07:14.849 --> 01:07:19.369 as... he misses they should be or so i don't 01:07:19.369 --> 01:07:23.250 know i mean i think i had to go back in the past 01:07:23.250 --> 01:07:25.250 i would maybe think that everyone should watch 01:07:25.250 --> 01:07:27.949 everwood it just it's not i don't know that it's 01:07:27.949 --> 01:07:29.969 criminally underrated i feel like it's very highly 01:07:29.969 --> 01:07:35.150 regarded um but maybe not the most viewed series 01:07:35.150 --> 01:07:37.929 of all time so yeah i'll go with that one i'm 01:07:37.929 --> 01:07:39.929 gonna say everwood somebody i forget somebody 01:07:39.929 --> 01:07:42.610 was trying to tell me is it little things which 01:07:42.610 --> 01:07:46.429 one's the one about the the boston series oh 01:07:46.429 --> 01:07:51.969 god it's better things no it's something little 01:07:51.969 --> 01:07:56.230 things it's about these guys who are in boston 01:07:56.230 --> 01:07:58.610 one of them dies in a car crash or something 01:07:58.610 --> 01:08:00.690 they're all oh a million a million little things 01:08:00.690 --> 01:08:02.489 a million little things that's what it is thank 01:08:02.489 --> 01:08:04.610 you he doesn't die in a car crash it's suicide 01:08:04.610 --> 01:08:08.349 he commits suicide it's sort of like the remaining 01:08:08.349 --> 01:08:11.000 friend group is dealing with that. And like, 01:08:11.019 --> 01:08:14.059 yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. I think that lasted 01:08:14.059 --> 01:08:16.039 like four seasons. I only watched the first one 01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.000 when I still had broadcast television. But I 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.960 mean, I think I enjoyed that. It was pretty good. 01:08:21.180 --> 01:08:25.279 Yeah. I, I, I don't know. I was at a weird place 01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:29.659 at the time. And I think, I think it was Karen 01:08:29.659 --> 01:08:31.840 that said, Oh, you should watch this. Cause it's 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.560 Boston. And it's, it's, it's, it's Boston and 01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:38.220 it's this and it's that. And it's whatever. And 01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:42.260 I was like, I don't know about that. Because 01:08:42.260 --> 01:08:45.560 I kind of got, at the time when I watched the 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:51.239 original season one promos and trailers and stuff 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:56.680 for it, I'm like, this feels very sort of, but 01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:59.500 not really, but kind of, this is us. And I don't 01:08:59.500 --> 01:09:00.539 know if I can go through that. It is emotional. 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.060 It's one of those shows. Yeah. And I figured 01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:09.220 it would be. But I don't know. Maybe I'll give 01:09:09.220 --> 01:09:11.680 it a shot one of these days. What's the one series 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:16.380 cancellation that just destroyed you? Itch. One 01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:22.020 season. I believe it was on Fox. I want to say 01:09:22.020 --> 01:09:24.460 Fox. Yeah, I think it was Fox. I don't remember 01:09:24.460 --> 01:09:27.079 even what year it was now. It got maybe 2015, 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.199 2014. I don't know. It was a while ago. And it 01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:33.199 was a Dan Fogelman series as well. I think it 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.710 kind of hit the same time as This Is Us. kind 01:09:35.710 --> 01:09:37.930 of around and i don't know if you remember the 01:09:37.930 --> 01:09:40.930 series but it was about a the first female pitcher 01:09:40.930 --> 01:09:43.789 in the first female like major league baseball 01:09:43.789 --> 01:09:48.069 player and she was a pitcher okay and um they 01:09:48.069 --> 01:09:50.109 did a lot of work to make it very plausible like 01:09:50.109 --> 01:09:52.130 everything that they were saying could happen 01:09:52.130 --> 01:09:54.270 it wasn't sort of like fantastical or over the 01:09:54.270 --> 01:09:57.399 top it was sort of like really grounded. And 01:09:57.399 --> 01:09:59.899 the characters were fantastic. The relationships 01:09:59.899 --> 01:10:03.340 were fantastic. Mark Paul Gosler was the sexiest 01:10:03.340 --> 01:10:06.619 he has ever been with this unbelievable beard. 01:10:06.659 --> 01:10:10.439 The beard was so good. It's my favorite all -time 01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:12.640 beard. That's a weird question. But if someone 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:16.079 ever, for any reason, and why would they, say 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:18.000 to me, what is your favorite all -time fictional 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.789 beard? And not a person who's... trying to help 01:10:21.789 --> 01:10:25.270 someone not know that they're gay, but like an 01:10:25.270 --> 01:10:28.189 actual beard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be Mark 01:10:28.189 --> 01:10:32.369 Wahlberg's beard. Sorry. Oh, where's my brain? 01:10:32.649 --> 01:10:35.949 I don't think Mark Wahlberg can grow a beard. 01:10:36.569 --> 01:10:38.390 I know. He looks like he can't. Yeah. And he 01:10:38.390 --> 01:10:40.369 would look weird with one on his face, too. Like 01:10:40.369 --> 01:10:43.729 very weird. But yeah, his character's beard on 01:10:43.729 --> 01:10:46.569 that show, Mike Lawson was the character. And 01:10:46.569 --> 01:10:48.909 it was he was kind of the star of the team, but 01:10:48.909 --> 01:10:51.670 the aging kind of captain guy in his 30s. And 01:10:51.670 --> 01:10:54.529 it was so good. It was such a good show. And 01:10:54.529 --> 01:10:56.550 I was just heartbroken when they canceled it. 01:10:56.609 --> 01:10:59.430 And it was one of those shows where people were 01:10:59.430 --> 01:11:01.810 like, please pick it up and like campaigns and 01:11:01.810 --> 01:11:05.609 campaigns. But it didn't really work. 2016, 2017. 01:11:06.810 --> 01:11:08.970 Okay, so a little later than I thought. I still 01:11:08.970 --> 01:11:12.649 think about that show constantly, and that's 01:11:12.649 --> 01:11:15.869 one that I rewatch a lot. That's the interesting 01:11:15.869 --> 01:11:18.109 thing about canceled shows is that they're easy 01:11:18.109 --> 01:11:20.229 to rewatch. It's really hard to be like, you 01:11:20.229 --> 01:11:21.350 know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go watch 01:11:21.350 --> 01:11:23.270 all 10 seasons of The Office. That just feels 01:11:23.270 --> 01:11:25.189 like a lot, and then you're less likely to go 01:11:25.189 --> 01:11:27.489 back and watch any of it because it feels like 01:11:27.489 --> 01:11:30.250 work. But a show that is short and sweet like 01:11:30.250 --> 01:11:32.350 that, you're sad that it's gone. But then you'll 01:11:32.350 --> 01:11:34.170 also go back and rewatch those episodes a lot 01:11:34.170 --> 01:11:36.489 because it's doable. That's what I find anyway. 01:11:36.890 --> 01:11:39.149 Yeah, absolutely. The reason people have watched 01:11:39.149 --> 01:11:44.909 Firefly so much, you know. Poor Firefly. Yeah. 01:11:45.250 --> 01:11:49.529 Oh, boy. I just, which I need to get this, well, 01:11:49.630 --> 01:11:51.470 by the time this episode comes out, it'll be 01:11:51.470 --> 01:11:53.970 out. But as of this recording, I just recorded 01:11:53.970 --> 01:11:57.029 a... convention attention episode of Geekcast 01:11:57.029 --> 01:12:00.510 Radio where my buddies were talking about Emerald 01:12:00.510 --> 01:12:03.069 City Comic Con out there in Seattle, Washington 01:12:03.069 --> 01:12:08.550 and how the convention had planned to do a Firefly 01:12:08.550 --> 01:12:12.550 reunion thing and then everybody kind of canceled 01:12:12.550 --> 01:12:14.649 it. I'm like, oh, so it's just like the show. 01:12:15.850 --> 01:12:23.130 Yeah, fair. Just crazy. So I missed one folks, 01:12:23.210 --> 01:12:25.409 but let's go back and do this. What is your favorite 01:12:25.409 --> 01:12:31.170 run or story arc of a TV series? Oh yeah. I was 01:12:31.170 --> 01:12:32.529 thinking about this one too. It's interesting. 01:12:32.590 --> 01:12:37.609 I don't know that I really attach myself to specific 01:12:37.609 --> 01:12:40.810 runs or story arcs that much or that stick out 01:12:40.810 --> 01:12:41.989 of my mind. Cause I was trying to think like, 01:12:42.029 --> 01:12:44.029 okay, like if I'm watching like Buffy or Gilmore 01:12:44.029 --> 01:12:46.390 girls or like, what would some of my favorite 01:12:46.390 --> 01:12:48.470 all time story arcs have been on those shows? 01:12:49.260 --> 01:12:51.380 I have episodes, but I don't think really story 01:12:51.380 --> 01:12:54.199 arcs. I think maybe the closest would be on Crazy 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:58.140 Ex -Girlfriend when Rebecca finally got diagnosed. 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:00.159 There was like a whole, I think it was season 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.899 three where she got diagnosed with borderline 01:13:02.899 --> 01:13:05.979 personality disorder. And that was the arc of 01:13:05.979 --> 01:13:08.680 like, okay, this person's not just quirky and 01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:12.180 weird, but they're suffering from something that 01:13:12.180 --> 01:13:14.180 has never been diagnosed that has affected their 01:13:14.180 --> 01:13:17.220 entire life. And somehow we're going to make 01:13:17.220 --> 01:13:20.479 it also funny. and musical, but it's, it was 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:22.380 so true to life. There was like a song called 01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:25.000 My Diagnosis that is still just, I just think 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:28.100 is like brilliant. I really liked how they handled 01:13:28.100 --> 01:13:30.319 that because they kind of set up the series, 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.739 not really knowing how they were going to handle 01:13:33.739 --> 01:13:35.380 mental health and what they were, they knew they 01:13:35.380 --> 01:13:38.220 were gonna do something with it. And they really, 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:41.079 that was like a really fantastic work there. 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:46.039 Yeah, absolutely. Kind of reminds me of Zoe's 01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:51.380 Infinite Playlist or whatever the Zoe's Playlist 01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:55.500 show was. Yeah, except that series used existing 01:13:55.500 --> 01:13:59.340 songs. Yeah, true. The thing about Crazy Ex -Girlfriend... 01:13:59.340 --> 01:14:00.819 Oh my God, I could go on about Crazy Ex -Girlfriend 01:14:00.819 --> 01:14:04.859 forever, so I'm not going to. But what was fantastic 01:14:04.859 --> 01:14:06.159 about it was that they were writing original 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:09.220 songs every week that were both parodies of genres. 01:14:09.579 --> 01:14:12.159 So every song was a parody of a genre, but also 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.229 revealed... An original song. yeah original songs 01:14:15.229 --> 01:14:18.750 but also the songs had so many layers to them 01:14:18.750 --> 01:14:21.689 that it was crazy like you would it would be 01:14:21.689 --> 01:14:24.609 okay this is a parody but it's also um revealing 01:14:24.609 --> 01:14:26.310 something about the characters and it's also 01:14:26.310 --> 01:14:28.329 making a comment on society at the same time 01:14:28.329 --> 01:14:31.170 so you'd have a for example you'd have a show 01:14:31.170 --> 01:14:34.460 a song called um Dream Ghosts. There was a song 01:14:34.460 --> 01:14:37.579 called Dream Ghosts, which took place on a plane 01:14:37.579 --> 01:14:39.479 and when the character fell asleep and she was 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:41.680 dreaming about these three kind of like soul 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:44.239 singers, very dream girls, right? And so it was 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.979 a parody of that kind of genre, like the sort 01:14:46.979 --> 01:14:50.159 of the Supreme style kind of singing with these 01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:52.739 three sort of soul singers. So parody of that. 01:14:52.779 --> 01:14:55.500 It was also... advancing the plot because the 01:14:55.500 --> 01:14:57.699 song was about the things that she was dreaming 01:14:57.699 --> 01:15:00.680 about and her like anxieties and everything but 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:03.319 then they threw in stuff like um you know we 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:05.520 don't have dental it's like we're we're just 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.140 dream ghosts we don't have a good health care 01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:09.779 plan or something like weird like layers that 01:15:09.779 --> 01:15:12.319 were also making comments on like all of these 01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.479 things about society and you're like oh man there's 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:17.930 so much here so much I feel like I just need 01:15:17.930 --> 01:15:19.470 to, I feel like I've always wanted, if I had 01:15:19.470 --> 01:15:21.649 to do a podcast on one show, it would be that 01:15:21.649 --> 01:15:24.470 show. And I would just get in there because it's 01:15:24.470 --> 01:15:29.310 just unbelievable. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. 01:15:29.449 --> 01:15:32.170 What is one TV show you can watch over and over 01:15:32.170 --> 01:15:36.890 and over again? Sports night over and over and 01:15:36.890 --> 01:15:40.550 over again. That is the show that I go to. If 01:15:40.550 --> 01:15:43.470 I just need to. pick me up and i i want to binge 01:15:43.470 --> 01:15:46.050 a series like it's sports night it is two seasons 01:15:46.050 --> 01:15:48.510 uh it did sort of get canceled although it's 01:15:48.510 --> 01:15:50.409 also kind of more like aaron sorkin was doing 01:15:50.409 --> 01:15:53.010 that and the west wing at the same time and he 01:15:53.010 --> 01:15:55.430 and abc kind of like agreed like he couldn't 01:15:55.430 --> 01:15:57.149 he didn't move forward with it it was sort of 01:15:57.149 --> 01:16:02.470 like he kind of half canceled it himself um and 01:16:02.470 --> 01:16:06.930 uh That just is such a funny show, quippy writing, 01:16:07.029 --> 01:16:09.090 great characters. And I don't like sports or 01:16:09.090 --> 01:16:12.289 sports broadcasting, but I love that show. And 01:16:12.289 --> 01:16:15.649 I could and have watched it over and over and 01:16:15.649 --> 01:16:19.670 over again. Very cool. Very cool. Is there one 01:16:19.670 --> 01:16:23.149 TV show that everyone watches or watch that you 01:16:23.149 --> 01:16:27.550 just can't get into? Sopranos. I just, I don't, 01:16:27.550 --> 01:16:29.189 I don't want to do it. I don't know why I feel 01:16:29.189 --> 01:16:30.649 very stubborn. I, you know, it's funny cause 01:16:30.649 --> 01:16:32.189 I feel the same way about the Godfather as a 01:16:32.189 --> 01:16:34.350 movie. So I don't know if I just hate, like maybe 01:16:34.350 --> 01:16:36.489 I'm just really stubborn about the mafia. I don't 01:16:36.489 --> 01:16:39.210 know. But I just, I was like, oh, it feels like 01:16:39.210 --> 01:16:43.750 it's like weird, violent show with guy I don't 01:16:43.750 --> 01:16:45.710 care about who like, I feel like I'm not going 01:16:45.710 --> 01:16:48.010 to like, and I just don't, I don't know. It feels 01:16:48.010 --> 01:16:54.699 like a homework I don't want to do. Yeah. Yeah, 01:16:55.300 --> 01:17:01.479 The Sopranos. Oh, Tony. It's a good... So I watched... 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:05.159 What was it? Where was it? Maybe it was on... 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:07.939 I forget where it was. They did a... Probably 01:17:07.939 --> 01:17:11.659 on Max. They did a documentary recently with 01:17:11.659 --> 01:17:14.399 David Chase celebrating... Yeah, it was last 01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:16.260 year because last year is the 25th anniversary 01:17:16.260 --> 01:17:20.470 of the show. Talking about everything and talking 01:17:20.470 --> 01:17:23.329 about the late, great James Gandolfini and how 01:17:23.329 --> 01:17:26.890 he portrayed that role and everything else. It 01:17:26.890 --> 01:17:28.869 was a very interesting documentary, very interesting 01:17:28.869 --> 01:17:31.869 revisiting the show through the documentary. 01:17:32.409 --> 01:17:35.270 I haven't gone back and re -watched the show 01:17:35.270 --> 01:17:40.189 in a long time. I think the last time I had seen 01:17:40.189 --> 01:17:44.619 it was when I had it on DVD. And that was a long 01:17:44.619 --> 01:17:46.899 time ago. I haven't had those DVDs in years. 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:50.680 And I like the show for what the show is. It's 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:54.000 not a bad show. I'm sure it's brilliant. It just 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.300 feels like homework to me, I think, is what it 01:17:56.300 --> 01:17:58.439 is. It's just, I think, whenever I sit down, 01:17:58.479 --> 01:17:59.479 I'm like, what do I want to watch? I'm like, 01:17:59.579 --> 01:18:02.239 it's like an Academy Award winning movie that 01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:04.579 doesn't interest me. That's how it feels like 01:18:04.579 --> 01:18:06.319 to me. It's like I just, at least, but those 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:07.920 movies are short. They're like, oh, okay, I'll 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.659 sit through Oppenheimer. Well, okay, Oppenheimer's 01:18:09.659 --> 01:18:12.119 not short. Oppenheimer's not short, no. It's 01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:15.300 short, like, you know, relatively. It's one time 01:18:15.300 --> 01:18:17.340 and you're done. This feels like, you know, it's 01:18:17.340 --> 01:18:19.359 a brilliant series that as a TV fan, I should 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:23.180 watch. But I'm also like, I don't, I don't know. 01:18:23.300 --> 01:18:27.640 I just don't want to. For some reason. I mean, 01:18:27.699 --> 01:18:33.819 yeah, I get it. I get it. Are there any TV shows 01:18:33.819 --> 01:18:38.119 you regret spending time with? I watched the 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:40.359 first season of Emily in Paris all the way through 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.100 with a friend on Zoom during the pandemic. And 01:18:43.100 --> 01:18:45.119 when it was over, I felt like I came out of some 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.319 sort of weird trance that was induced by like 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:50.899 French accents and fashion. And then I was like, 01:18:50.979 --> 01:18:57.079 what the hell did I just waste my time on? It 01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.460 made me, I've never been more mad about like, 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:01.220 at the time I was kind of just watching it and 01:19:01.220 --> 01:19:03.140 being like, sure, this is kind of silly, I guess 01:19:03.140 --> 01:19:05.739 I'm wasting time, whatever. But when it was over, 01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:07.800 I was like, what the hell? That was the most 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:10.720 pointless, pointless thing. And I hate everybody 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:13.399 in it. And I don't, it was just like, when I 01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:15.619 think about future seasons of that show, it just 01:19:15.619 --> 01:19:18.359 makes me so mad that they just hate it so much. 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:20.699 I just, I don't know. I felt like I got tricked. 01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:24.750 And then I was like, damn you. I obviously should 01:19:24.750 --> 01:19:26.090 have stopped watching after the first episode, 01:19:26.170 --> 01:19:28.590 but I didn't. Also kind of Sex and the City, 01:19:28.689 --> 01:19:30.829 even though I watched all of it because I feel 01:19:30.829 --> 01:19:33.529 like I had to. And it was okay at the time. But 01:19:33.529 --> 01:19:36.250 in retrospect, I'm just like, I don't like these 01:19:36.250 --> 01:19:38.350 people. And they never really spoke for me in 01:19:38.350 --> 01:19:39.770 the way that I think spoke for a lot of women. 01:19:39.869 --> 01:19:43.189 I just wasn't as into it. And then sometimes, 01:19:43.489 --> 01:19:45.670 even though I don't really regret spending time 01:19:45.670 --> 01:19:48.970 on it until the end, I kind of regret it because 01:19:48.970 --> 01:19:53.199 it made me so mad. game of thrones because it 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:55.479 you know like i as i watched it i enjoyed it 01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:57.239 but now that i've seen how it ended it kind of 01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:59.100 makes me want to go back and be like no i'm erasing 01:19:59.100 --> 01:20:00.579 that from my brain because it's so disappointing 01:20:00.579 --> 01:20:05.359 so i've said this before and i'll say it again 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:11.899 back in 2018 2019 hbo was doing uh we had we 01:20:11.899 --> 01:20:14.500 still had cable back then when karen and i were 01:20:14.500 --> 01:20:18.289 living out in gurney illinois and It's like, 01:20:18.369 --> 01:20:20.970 oh, HBO, free weekend, you can actually watch 01:20:20.970 --> 01:20:24.270 all of Game of Thrones up to the current season. 01:20:24.770 --> 01:20:27.149 I was like, oh, okay, finally, I can actually 01:20:27.149 --> 01:20:30.470 give the show a try. I was literally going to 01:20:30.470 --> 01:20:33.329 give it an honest try. I wanted to see what everybody 01:20:33.329 --> 01:20:37.329 was all up in arms about. Now, I went in open 01:20:37.329 --> 01:20:40.590 -minded. I turned everything, I turned my phone 01:20:40.590 --> 01:20:44.810 off, I turned... Everything, the only tab I had 01:20:44.810 --> 01:20:48.109 open in my browser was whatever Xfinity tab I 01:20:48.109 --> 01:20:50.449 needed to have open to get the HBO thing through 01:20:50.449 --> 01:20:53.390 Xfinity, through Comcast. And I was like, okay, 01:20:53.550 --> 01:20:56.010 Game of Thrones, season one, episode one, play. 01:20:56.189 --> 01:21:02.590 For the first 12 and a half to 15 minutes, all 01:21:02.590 --> 01:21:09.670 is they did was walk. I was bored out of my mind. 01:21:11.830 --> 01:21:14.510 Yeah, I don't know. I really liked that first 01:21:14.510 --> 01:21:17.029 season. It was a character show. They didn't 01:21:17.029 --> 01:21:21.810 talk. They didn't do anything. They didn't even 01:21:21.810 --> 01:21:26.310 brush somebody just got hit in the face. They 01:21:26.310 --> 01:21:29.470 did nothing. That's a little bit of an exaggeration, 01:21:29.510 --> 01:21:31.430 but yes, I see your point. It was very slow moving 01:21:31.430 --> 01:21:35.970 as a series, for sure. Okay, I'm not expecting 01:21:35.970 --> 01:21:44.729 1980s MacGyver Magnum. I know. It's a fantasy 01:21:44.729 --> 01:21:47.930 show. I know fantasy takes time. I understand 01:21:47.930 --> 01:21:50.829 that. They want to, I don't want to say pad out 01:21:50.829 --> 01:21:55.310 the plot, but they want to ease you into it. 01:21:55.449 --> 01:21:58.909 I'm sorry, 12 and a half minutes of walking and 01:21:58.909 --> 01:22:02.989 not even talking to each other? I gotta look 01:22:02.989 --> 01:22:06.029 back. I gotta look back too. There's definitely 01:22:06.029 --> 01:22:10.840 not 12 minutes of no talking. it just felt that 01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:14.479 way to me, but all they did was walk. And I'm 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.279 like, what, how did people get past this first 01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:19.180 12 and a half minutes to get through the other 01:22:19.180 --> 01:22:22.439 six seasons of supposed awesomeness. And then 01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:26.640 after I stopped it, I immediately, I went onto 01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:30.539 YouTube and I just went onto YouTube just to 01:22:30.539 --> 01:22:34.140 get my YouTube subscriptions page up. And all 01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:37.399 of a sudden here comes Sesame street. Would you 01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:41.420 like to play a game of chairs? Yeah. The Sesame 01:22:41.420 --> 01:22:46.859 Street game of chairs skit is better than the 01:22:46.859 --> 01:22:49.560 12 and a half minutes of nothing that I previously 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:57.760 watched. Notice I said the 12 and a half minutes 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.409 of nothing that I watched, not. the entirety 01:23:00.409 --> 01:23:02.829 of the series. I'm only judging. I'm sure that's 01:23:02.829 --> 01:23:05.869 true. I want people to understand what I'm saying 01:23:05.869 --> 01:23:08.510 as you're hearing my voice, people. I'm only 01:23:08.510 --> 01:23:11.289 judging the 12 and a half minutes that I watched. 01:23:11.670 --> 01:23:14.949 Not judging the rest of the series. And I'm not 01:23:14.949 --> 01:23:17.069 going to go back and try to re -watch it. Just 01:23:17.069 --> 01:23:18.789 how I'm not going to try to convince you to watch 01:23:18.789 --> 01:23:21.449 Sopranos. Hey, if it's not your thing, it's not 01:23:21.449 --> 01:23:24.039 your thing. That's fine. Especially now knowing 01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:25.899 how it ends. What's the point? Everyone hates 01:23:25.899 --> 01:23:28.500 the ending so much. I don't know anybody who 01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:30.979 doesn't hate that ending. Not just the ending. 01:23:31.100 --> 01:23:34.819 The entire last season was just a give up. It 01:23:34.819 --> 01:23:36.640 was like, we're done with this. Let's just wrap 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.619 it up. Yeah, the last season was a little much. 01:23:40.939 --> 01:23:43.140 Whereas the last season of Angel was awesome. 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:47.439 I love season five of Angel. Yeah. It was pretty 01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:50.260 good. Personally, I kind of want to slay the 01:23:50.260 --> 01:23:57.489 dragon. not fade away oh man i'm sorry though 01:23:57.489 --> 01:24:02.010 that 100th episode you bastards oh yeah that 01:24:02.010 --> 01:24:05.229 was hard yeah very hard do you have a physical 01:24:05.229 --> 01:24:08.250 or digital media collection of tv shows if so 01:24:08.250 --> 01:24:12.119 how large is it I still have my TV shows on DVD. 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:16.420 I last year went through and I got rid of most 01:24:16.420 --> 01:24:18.579 of the cases except for the special ones. And 01:24:18.579 --> 01:24:20.819 I put them all in like a booklet because it was 01:24:20.819 --> 01:24:22.659 just taking up too much literal physical space. 01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:24.239 But I don't want to get rid of anything just 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:26.500 in case. Well, who knows? I mean, sometimes things 01:24:26.500 --> 01:24:28.560 come and go from streaming and not it hasn't 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.539 happened very often. But I'd like to know that 01:24:30.539 --> 01:24:33.220 I could put in a DVD of something that I like. 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:35.100 I don't know how big it is. It's pretty big. 01:24:35.220 --> 01:24:39.979 I would say, I don't know, maybe. 50 to 100 seasons 01:24:39.979 --> 01:24:43.560 or something i used to have 360 something but 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:45.619 that was with my ex it was a combined collection 01:24:45.619 --> 01:24:48.380 and when we split he got half of it or not just 01:24:48.380 --> 01:24:49.779 half we kind of went through and decided who 01:24:49.779 --> 01:24:52.500 bought this who likes this more he was you know 01:24:52.500 --> 01:24:54.119 so he ended up with things i ended up with things 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:57.420 yeah and uh my husband has some but not very 01:24:57.420 --> 01:25:00.340 many uh in turn he's a lot more movies than anything 01:25:00.340 --> 01:25:06.880 else very cool very cool yeah My digital collection 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:09.000 is a lot larger than my physical collection. 01:25:09.220 --> 01:25:12.380 Although lately I've been getting back into physical 01:25:12.380 --> 01:25:14.979 media over the last three or four years because 01:25:14.979 --> 01:25:19.720 have you people seen what they're doing to digital 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:24.939 media lately? Like, yikes. Yeah, I don't really 01:25:24.939 --> 01:25:27.439 buy things digitally. I stream them. And then 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:29.699 unless it's something that I can't find anywhere 01:25:29.699 --> 01:25:35.000 that I really want to watch. And I won't in that 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:36.680 case, I probably I probably wouldn't buy a physical 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:39.000 copy anymore unless it's like a collector's item. 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.500 But I will I will like I think I bought the whole 01:25:41.500 --> 01:25:43.100 season of Heart of Dixie at some point because 01:25:43.100 --> 01:25:44.800 I really wanted to rewatch it, but it wasn't 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:46.479 streaming anywhere at that point. And so I was 01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:48.840 like, I'll just spend the money and watch it. 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.039 But I don't really collect them in that way. 01:25:51.100 --> 01:25:54.520 And digitally, if I if I really want to buy it, 01:25:54.539 --> 01:25:56.640 I would probably just get a physical copy of 01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:00.899 it. Well, yeah, but I'm really starting to, even 01:26:00.899 --> 01:26:03.060 though I still have all those streaming services 01:26:03.060 --> 01:26:06.100 that I have, but if things aren't on those streaming 01:26:06.100 --> 01:26:08.159 services and the only way that I have to get 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.640 them is physical media, you can bet your bottom 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:14.659 bippy I'm going to go out and buy the... Again, 01:26:15.220 --> 01:26:17.319 folks, we're pre -recording this. You're going 01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:20.319 to hear this at a later date, but as of this 01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:23.579 recording, Warner Brothers and their infinite 01:26:23.579 --> 01:26:27.630 dumbassery... removed all of the classic Looney 01:26:27.630 --> 01:26:32.710 Tunes from Max? Like, really? Seriously? God, 01:26:33.130 --> 01:26:35.109 now I gotta go out and get all the classic Looney 01:26:35.109 --> 01:26:40.050 Tunes on physical media? Yeah, the strategy has 01:26:40.050 --> 01:26:44.829 changed for what they show. You would think that 01:26:44.829 --> 01:26:47.670 they would just have everything. I don't really 01:26:47.670 --> 01:26:49.350 know what informs it, to be honest. I don't know 01:26:49.350 --> 01:26:51.649 the metrics, so it's kind of confusing to me 01:26:51.649 --> 01:26:54.369 because I would think just as a casual observer 01:26:54.369 --> 01:26:57.109 without the financials in front of me. I would 01:26:57.109 --> 01:26:59.050 think that just putting everything you own on 01:26:59.050 --> 01:27:01.270 a platform, and at least if one person watches 01:27:01.270 --> 01:27:04.489 it, but I think it has to do with, even though 01:27:04.489 --> 01:27:07.050 they own it, they have to, in order to have it 01:27:07.050 --> 01:27:10.649 streaming, I believe they have to pay certain 01:27:10.649 --> 01:27:13.310 people, creators or whatnot, to have it up there. 01:27:13.569 --> 01:27:16.229 And then I think that's what it comes down to. 01:27:16.289 --> 01:27:18.689 As far as I can tell, stuff that people don't 01:27:18.689 --> 01:27:22.829 watch very often, or that becomes expensive for 01:27:22.829 --> 01:27:26.359 them. They just they disappear it, which is sad 01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:29.000 because it to me, that is a sad thing. Like their 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:31.260 recent series that they made that they've just 01:27:31.260 --> 01:27:33.000 decided, oh, it's not worth to even have this 01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:34.579 on the platform. And one of the things I used 01:27:34.579 --> 01:27:36.439 to love about streaming was finding these gems 01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:39.600 that like. you didn't watch at the time like 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:41.000 i just watched the first season of commander 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:45.260 in chief with gina davis on disney plus and that's 01:27:45.260 --> 01:27:47.260 something that like i just didn't watch at the 01:27:47.260 --> 01:27:49.600 time and i was really into gina davis for a minute 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:51.199 there because i was listening to her autobiography 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:52.560 and i've always liked her but i was like you 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:53.920 know i don't want to go back and watch that and 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:55.819 i did but i think stuff like that's not going 01:27:55.819 --> 01:27:59.300 to be as available anymore because i feel like 01:27:59.300 --> 01:28:01.760 for whatever reason they've decided it's not 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:04.100 financially worth it for them unless it's really 01:28:04.100 --> 01:28:06.199 getting a lot of traction so i don't know i know 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:07.800 it's all about the numbers it's all about the 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:09.899 money and I know Zaslav wants all the money. 01:28:09.939 --> 01:28:16.199 I get that. But here's the thing. If you repurpose 01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:19.319 the, specifically to the Looney Tunes, if you 01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:22.359 repurpose that and you, like, the original Golden 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:26.319 Collection DVD sets from years ago, those are 01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.319 obviously out of print. Those are astronomically 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:33.960 priced on eBay now. You can get them if you have 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:38.600 the money to spend for DVDs from 2009, 2010, 01:28:38.779 --> 01:28:40.960 whatever. And that's great if you still have 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:42.899 those if you bought them when they were originally 01:28:42.899 --> 01:28:47.119 on sale. But if you're not going to have the 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:52.619 catalog of essentially a Warner Brothers staple. 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:54.880 I mean, this is the Looney Tunes we're talking 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:57.600 about here. I don't think many people watch or 01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.560 don't watch the dang things. Have them there 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:07.220 just because to preserve or release a new set 01:29:07.220 --> 01:29:10.000 every five years. Release a new complete series 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:14.779 set every five, Blu -ray, 4K, whatever you want 01:29:14.779 --> 01:29:18.739 to call it, 8K, 10K, 40K, whatever it is in 50, 01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:22.220 70 years from now. Just keep releasing it to 01:29:22.220 --> 01:29:24.260 keep it going, to let people know, hey, this 01:29:24.260 --> 01:29:27.880 is what happened in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, and 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.640 50s, you know, back in the 19th century, kind 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:32.859 of 20th century, whatever. You know what I mean? 01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:35.859 Like, I just can't believe. And that was one 01:29:35.859 --> 01:29:37.479 of the biggest things. That was one of the reasons 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:41.060 why I originally subscribed to, at the time it 01:29:41.060 --> 01:29:43.739 was called HBO Max. It's now just Max. But, like, 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:45.680 that was one of the things was, like, you can 01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:48.220 watch all of the classic Looney Tunes anytime 01:29:48.220 --> 01:29:51.289 you want. As long as you play, as long as you 01:29:51.289 --> 01:29:53.489 pay for the ad free tier, I'm like, Oh, cool. 01:29:54.430 --> 01:29:56.689 I'm like, I can watch cartoons. I haven't seen 01:29:56.689 --> 01:30:00.789 in 40 years. Yay. Awesome. Unfortunately, I just 01:30:00.789 --> 01:30:03.069 don't think they care. And I think that's the 01:30:03.069 --> 01:30:06.430 way that's very true, which sucks. They should 01:30:06.430 --> 01:30:10.310 care because again, that like, yeah, that's probably 01:30:10.310 --> 01:30:12.949 not going to net them a lot of money, but like, 01:30:12.989 --> 01:30:15.430 again, you see, that's the problem with streaming 01:30:15.430 --> 01:30:17.470 services is the problem with any subscription 01:30:17.470 --> 01:30:20.840 service, honestly. They're more trying to get 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:25.619 the new subscriber than they are trying to keep 01:30:25.619 --> 01:30:30.000 the continuing. We need to have rewards for continuing 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:33.539 subscribers as well as like, it's like, oh, I 01:30:33.539 --> 01:30:37.319 think lately I've been seeing, here's a free 01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:40.420 promotion for Audible, $6 .95 for the first three 01:30:40.420 --> 01:30:43.279 months. I'm like, okay, cool. I haven't had an 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:46.159 Audible subscription for... Couple of years now. 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.060 Sure. I'll sign up for six 95 and get three months 01:30:49.060 --> 01:30:51.619 for the, for that price. That's fine. Great. 01:30:51.779 --> 01:30:55.000 I'll probably cancel after the, after that three 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.220 months, but whatever. But like the point is, 01:30:57.279 --> 01:30:59.739 how about giving us those of us who have had 01:30:59.739 --> 01:31:02.819 Netflix for 20 years or those of us who have 01:31:02.819 --> 01:31:05.659 had Hulu for 20 years or whatever it is, you 01:31:05.659 --> 01:31:08.359 know what I mean? Like give the people that are 01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:13.520 continuously paying your constantly raising member 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:18.649 fees. Give us the rewards. How about that? Yeah, 01:31:18.770 --> 01:31:21.329 they don't do it. That's for anything. No, I 01:31:21.329 --> 01:31:26.470 know. Unfortunately. Dumbasses. All right. So 01:31:26.470 --> 01:31:28.970 was there ever a moment where you were like, 01:31:29.109 --> 01:31:32.090 that's it. Turn it off. I'm done with TV altogether. 01:31:33.390 --> 01:31:35.770 They didn't last very long. I think maybe a few. 01:31:35.810 --> 01:31:38.010 Actually, maybe the 100th episode of Angel was 01:31:38.010 --> 01:31:40.350 one of those moments because I was so mad about 01:31:40.350 --> 01:31:44.279 that. I was so mad that they brought. Cordelia 01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:51.079 back just for her to die. That made me very angry. 01:31:51.420 --> 01:31:53.720 But it was emotionally impactful and it worked 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:55.500 once I stepped away from it. So I don't know. 01:31:55.579 --> 01:31:59.159 The other one, you know, yeah, the season finale, 01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:01.680 the series finale of Game of Thrones made me 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.460 so angry that I was very jaded about that because 01:32:05.460 --> 01:32:08.079 it just was so pointless and it made me angry 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:10.000 to the point where I don't know if I considered 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:13.399 quitting TV, but I was very... Bitter and jaded. 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:15.600 And then the other one might be the season finale 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:20.439 of Lost, which I don't hate. And I do think that 01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:24.420 upon rewatch and some time and a step back that 01:32:24.420 --> 01:32:30.939 it is successful and it does what it needs to 01:32:30.939 --> 01:32:33.840 do. But I think it was such an emotional journey 01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:36.760 for me, that whole series, that when it was airing, 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:38.279 I couldn't even really finish it. I was just 01:32:38.279 --> 01:32:42.739 too... like I was too upset by not even necessarily 01:32:42.739 --> 01:32:44.560 what was happening. It was just, it just felt 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:46.880 like too much in the moment. And I had to like, 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:48.420 I literally had to take a couple of days and 01:32:48.420 --> 01:32:50.520 then I wrote a blog about it at the time because 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:53.279 it took that long to settle and to really be 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:55.260 like, okay, how do I feel about this? This is 01:32:55.260 --> 01:32:59.380 a conclusion to a series that has been like in 01:32:59.380 --> 01:33:01.479 my life for a certain amount of time. And it 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:03.699 was very, like, I was very, it was sort of the 01:33:03.699 --> 01:33:06.539 first fandom that I was living in real time with 01:33:06.539 --> 01:33:10.560 people. week to week. And yeah, that was a heavy 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:14.279 one that I feel like kind of made me feel like 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:16.640 in that moment that I'm like giving up and then, 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:19.600 but I, you know, I always come back around. Yeah, 01:33:19.699 --> 01:33:23.239 absolutely. All right. What are you watching 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:25.579 right now? And what do you think our listeners 01:33:25.579 --> 01:33:28.560 should check out? Well, as I said, not as much 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:31.289 as I would like to be. I think everyone should 01:33:31.289 --> 01:33:33.550 be watching RuPaul's Drag Race, which I am watching. 01:33:33.689 --> 01:33:35.029 It's one of the things I consistently watch. 01:33:35.130 --> 01:33:36.869 And that means, you know, whatever iteration 01:33:36.869 --> 01:33:38.489 of that, because there's a lot of them. There's 01:33:38.489 --> 01:33:41.800 Drag Race All -Stars. There's Drag Race. Countries 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:44.539 versus the world. There's Drag Race UK. There's 01:33:44.539 --> 01:33:47.739 Drag Race Down Under. There's a lot. And I watch 01:33:47.739 --> 01:33:49.319 them all because it's something my husband and 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:51.680 I do together that's easy and fun and interactive. 01:33:51.859 --> 01:33:53.260 And I think everyone should watch them because 01:33:53.260 --> 01:33:55.460 they're great. In terms of scripted stuff that 01:33:55.460 --> 01:33:58.319 I'm currently watching, I do try to take a bite 01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:00.359 out of a lot of limited series because it feels 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:03.829 like I can because they're limited. And you're 01:34:03.829 --> 01:34:06.789 not like, oh, God. So Disclaimer is one that 01:34:06.789 --> 01:34:08.750 I watched recently that I really loved on Apple 01:34:08.750 --> 01:34:12.729 TV Plus. That was really good. I am watching 01:34:12.729 --> 01:34:15.909 Shrinking and Abbott Elementary. I think those 01:34:15.909 --> 01:34:18.329 are my two favorite comedies these days. And 01:34:18.329 --> 01:34:20.750 then I'm fully working my way through For All 01:34:20.750 --> 01:34:23.189 Mankind. I think I have one season left and there 01:34:23.189 --> 01:34:25.250 is another season coming. That's another Apple 01:34:25.250 --> 01:34:29.670 TV Plus series about fictional. what if the space 01:34:29.670 --> 01:34:31.390 race looked different and what if our relationship 01:34:31.390 --> 01:34:34.329 to space travel was more expansive and whatnot 01:34:34.329 --> 01:34:36.750 and alternate history kind of series. I love 01:34:36.750 --> 01:34:38.930 that show. I just think it's so good. So that's 01:34:38.930 --> 01:34:40.229 something that I think everybody should watch. 01:34:40.310 --> 01:34:42.609 Oh, and Paradise. I think I mentioned that as 01:34:42.609 --> 01:34:44.489 well when I was talking about writing, but we're 01:34:44.489 --> 01:34:46.630 watching that as well. And that's really good. 01:34:46.710 --> 01:34:48.789 Really good. Very cool. Very cool. What is your 01:34:48.789 --> 01:34:51.670 favorite TV show genre? Do you have different 01:34:51.670 --> 01:34:54.430 types of shows for different situations, vegging 01:34:54.430 --> 01:34:56.869 out, date night, family night, group watching, 01:34:57.010 --> 01:35:00.960 that kind of stuff? Well, I mentioned that RuPaul 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:02.859 is the, I don't want to say date night, but it's 01:35:02.859 --> 01:35:06.640 sort of like the together time show. That's RuPaul's 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:10.000 Drag Race. And I think overall, my favorite types 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:13.920 of shows are, I want to say dramedies. But what 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:16.720 I really mean by that is just so maybe maybe 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:19.100 shows that are either comedy or drama, but that 01:35:19.100 --> 01:35:21.279 have a lot of elements of both. So like a strict 01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:23.779 straight up comedy that's a sitcom isn't as appealing 01:35:23.779 --> 01:35:26.479 to me as one that has a lot of gravitas to it 01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:29.880 like Scrubs did or Ted Lasso and a straight up 01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:33.489 drama. can be appealing but i i often like it 01:35:33.489 --> 01:35:35.510 if it's a little bit more there's a little bit 01:35:35.510 --> 01:35:38.630 more to it like if there's stylistic kind of 01:35:38.630 --> 01:35:41.810 comedy writing like the west wing or or something 01:35:41.810 --> 01:35:43.909 like that those are kind of my all -time favorite 01:35:43.909 --> 01:35:45.510 like some of my favorite shows aren't that but 01:35:45.510 --> 01:35:47.130 the ones that like the if i had to think of an 01:35:47.130 --> 01:35:49.149 genre i think that would be a melding of those 01:35:49.149 --> 01:35:51.550 two things is usually my favorite thing yeah 01:35:51.550 --> 01:35:54.210 very cool very cool do you have a my parents 01:35:54.210 --> 01:35:57.779 wouldn't let me watch that tv show story Yeah, 01:35:57.800 --> 01:35:59.479 well, they had to approve kind of everything 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:01.680 that I watched up to a certain point. And so, 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.479 you know, like I said, we did the family nights 01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:05.899 where we watched certain things together and 01:36:05.899 --> 01:36:07.220 there were the sitcoms that they would let us 01:36:07.220 --> 01:36:09.819 watch. And when I started to want to watch things 01:36:09.819 --> 01:36:13.399 on my own, like not something that they just 01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:15.239 stumbled across or that they put on in syndication, 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:18.720 they would have to generally clear it. So I remember 01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:22.300 when I wanted to watch 90210 because people were 01:36:22.300 --> 01:36:24.039 talking about it at school. I think I must have 01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:27.760 been in, I don't know, maybe. I was like 13 or 01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:29.920 something at the time. My mom sat down and watched 01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:31.760 one episode with me and it was the episode where 01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:35.600 Brenda gets someone robs the peach pit while 01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:39.520 Brenda's working there. And she determined I 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:42.119 was allowed to watch that. But one show that 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:44.460 she never let me watch that people were watching 01:36:44.460 --> 01:36:46.000 was Married with Children. She was like, no, 01:36:46.039 --> 01:36:47.319 you're not watching that. It's stupid. And I 01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:49.340 was mad about it at the time because I just felt 01:36:49.340 --> 01:36:50.920 like other people were watching it. But looking 01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:53.020 back, I'm like, yeah, no, that's the dumbest 01:36:53.020 --> 01:36:55.939 show ever. Why did I want to watch that? I'm 01:36:55.939 --> 01:36:57.840 glad she didn't let me watch it because it's 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:01.520 so, it's so sexist. It's so horrible. It's the 01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:03.720 antithesis of everything I stand for. And I am 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.520 really glad to be fair. I did watch some of it 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:08.380 in syndication later and I would catch bits of 01:37:08.380 --> 01:37:11.520 it at friends' houses, but my mom never wanted 01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:14.460 me to watch it. And I'm now just like, yeah, 01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.239 good going mom. Cause that was a terrible show. 01:37:18.060 --> 01:37:21.659 It had its moments. You're absolutely correct. 01:37:21.739 --> 01:37:25.949 I know people like it, but I hate it. I'm not 01:37:25.949 --> 01:37:28.930 defending it. I, what I'm saying is that I think 01:37:28.930 --> 01:37:33.069 that it's better in Instagram reels than it is 01:37:33.069 --> 01:37:35.489 in watching full episodes. Cause lately I've 01:37:35.489 --> 01:37:38.970 been, I, I Instagram real doom scroll sometimes 01:37:38.970 --> 01:37:43.029 and certain clips will come up. Al was savage 01:37:43.029 --> 01:37:46.109 for this, or we can't believe Peggy said this 01:37:46.109 --> 01:37:49.789 kind of thing. And it's, you know, one of the, 01:37:49.829 --> 01:37:52.430 not necessarily most famous, whatever out of 01:37:52.430 --> 01:37:56.550 the show, but it's like, Anytime he goes after 01:37:56.550 --> 01:37:59.250 Marcy. Or anytime he says something about Peg. 01:37:59.529 --> 01:38:02.649 Or anytime Peg goes after. Says something about 01:38:02.649 --> 01:38:07.949 him. Or whatever. It is what it is. Funny writing. 01:38:08.369 --> 01:38:12.689 Yeah. It reminds me of Family Guy. In the sense 01:38:12.689 --> 01:38:14.329 that. I don't know whether they're trying to 01:38:14.329 --> 01:38:16.729 be ironic. Or they're trying to be subversive. 01:38:16.829 --> 01:38:19.010 But at the end of the day. When you're watching 01:38:19.010 --> 01:38:21.609 it. It really just comes across like a sexist. 01:38:22.300 --> 01:38:27.239 club who hates his wife uh the women are shrews 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:30.000 or you know like ridiculous like i mean ridiculous 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:34.020 and or slutty or it just everybody is a it's 01:38:34.020 --> 01:38:38.119 it's just a very kind of gender normative like 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:41.619 sexist crap fest and again i have had people 01:38:41.619 --> 01:38:44.060 argue many times that it's trying to be subversive 01:38:44.060 --> 01:38:46.140 and i know family guy is trying to be subversive 01:38:46.140 --> 01:38:51.399 but i don't care because at the come across that 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:53.420 way to me it just comes across like oh i get 01:38:53.420 --> 01:38:57.260 it ha ha you know like i don't yeah yeah bugs 01:38:57.260 --> 01:39:01.239 me i think where and i i'm not a family guy fan 01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:03.880 at all i don't dislike it but i've never watched 01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:05.619 the show all the way through but i've seen plenty 01:39:05.619 --> 01:39:09.300 of clips and i think where family guy for me 01:39:09.300 --> 01:39:12.720 like where i enjoy it is like the the parodies 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:15.479 that they do like i again i keep seeing some 01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:18.619 of these um some of these Instagram clips where 01:39:18.619 --> 01:39:21.720 there's a clip where Seth is on the, on the Graham 01:39:21.720 --> 01:39:23.640 Norton show. And I guess Tom Cruise is there 01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:27.680 too. And, and Graham asks him, didn't you do 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:32.239 taken? Didn't you do? He go, Oh yeah, yeah. But 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:35.460 we did taken as Kermit the frog. So Seth goes 01:39:35.460 --> 01:39:37.220 into Kermit the frog and he starts doing the 01:39:37.220 --> 01:39:40.800 taken speech to Tom Cruise and Todd. So it's 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.000 that kind of stuff, but I'd never, I don't know. 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:47.279 yeah i don't know i grew up as a kid watching 01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:50.840 my again my mom is one of those moms where she 01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:53.079 knew i knew because she taught me the right way 01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:57.279 of tv is fantasy tv is fiction tv isn't real 01:39:57.279 --> 01:40:00.079 it's perfectly fine if you watch this idiot white 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.699 guy with his hand down his pants and the fact 01:40:02.699 --> 01:40:04.500 that he's a shoe salesman which is nothing wrong 01:40:04.500 --> 01:40:08.140 with that job but you know whatever so it is 01:40:08.140 --> 01:40:10.960 what it is but Yeah, I was never going to aspire 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:14.859 to be act how Al acts. Oh, no, for sure. It's 01:40:14.859 --> 01:40:16.859 just that stuff kind of... Yeah, absolutely. 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:21.260 All right, folks, we are going to be entering 01:40:21.260 --> 01:40:24.640 the TV fantasy fun land. All of these answers 01:40:24.640 --> 01:40:26.340 are made up and the points don't matter. Yes, 01:40:26.460 --> 01:40:29.859 I stole that. But this is fictional. Anything 01:40:29.859 --> 01:40:31.779 that's said here stays here, even though it's 01:40:31.779 --> 01:40:34.149 on a podcast. So it doesn't really matter at 01:40:34.149 --> 01:40:36.130 the end of the day. But if you could own any 01:40:36.130 --> 01:40:39.050 house or pad in a TV show, whose house would 01:40:39.050 --> 01:40:43.050 it be? I was thinking about this, and I don't 01:40:43.050 --> 01:40:44.750 know. I've never really been attached to that, 01:40:44.810 --> 01:40:47.329 but I feel like I watched the two seasons of 01:40:47.329 --> 01:40:50.569 Loot recently, and she's a billionaire, and she 01:40:50.569 --> 01:40:52.010 does have a really cool house. So I'm going to 01:40:52.010 --> 01:40:55.470 go with that because it looks like she's got 01:40:55.470 --> 01:40:58.670 a lot of stuff, and it looks fun. Very cool article. 01:40:58.970 --> 01:41:03.309 Whose wardrobe would you want to steal? maybe 01:41:03.309 --> 01:41:07.090 Zoe in heart of Dixie. Uh, yeah, that's kind 01:41:07.090 --> 01:41:09.470 of my vibe. I take, I steal her stuff. Yeah. 01:41:09.810 --> 01:41:12.210 I mean, it's like, again, it's like, I know I'm 01:41:12.210 --> 01:41:14.229 not into like the super crazy stuff, like the 01:41:14.229 --> 01:41:16.970 Emily in Paris stuff or the, the sex in the city 01:41:16.970 --> 01:41:19.949 stuff. Like I just, a lot of crazy over the top 01:41:19.949 --> 01:41:25.109 stuff. Yeah. If you could live in any TV verse, 01:41:25.210 --> 01:41:28.350 which one would you live in? I am going to go 01:41:28.350 --> 01:41:30.649 with crazy ex -girlfriend because I want to, 01:41:31.279 --> 01:41:34.319 sing about my inner trauma and my inner feelings 01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:36.260 constantly. That would be amazing. I would love 01:41:36.260 --> 01:41:39.859 to just have like songs constantly about depression 01:41:39.859 --> 01:41:42.979 and, and the, you know, mental health and, and 01:41:42.979 --> 01:41:45.880 like the traumas of childhood. I just think that's, 01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:47.779 I think it'd be great. I would love it. That's 01:41:47.779 --> 01:41:52.979 I want to do that every day. Oh, very cool. Who 01:41:52.979 --> 01:41:55.340 would be your top three TV characters? You'd 01:41:55.340 --> 01:41:58.880 want to join you in a friend squad. For sure, 01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:00.600 Lorelei Gilmore, because I want to hang out with 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:03.640 her all the time. And then Paula from Crazy Ex 01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:06.960 -Girlfriend, because she is a crazy, loyal, diehard 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:09.460 friend who will do anything for you. Crazy, illegal, 01:42:09.659 --> 01:42:12.199 all kinds of stuff. And then Veronica Mars, just 01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:13.760 because I feel like she could solve all your 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:15.840 problems. If you were like, oh, can you fix this? 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.140 She would do some research and create a plan. 01:42:19.819 --> 01:42:24.229 She's cool and quippy. Absolutely. reminder folks 01:42:24.229 --> 01:42:26.770 this is the tv fantasy fun land the answers are 01:42:26.770 --> 01:42:30.109 made up and they don't matter so you ain't married 01:42:30.109 --> 01:42:32.869 if you could date any tv character who would 01:42:32.869 --> 01:42:35.909 it be it would probably be luke daines i think 01:42:35.909 --> 01:42:39.350 i think he's just really the ultimate good guy 01:42:39.350 --> 01:42:41.750 who's actually a good guy you know i mean all 01:42:41.750 --> 01:42:44.890 the the the characters that i'm attracted to 01:42:44.890 --> 01:42:47.029 on tv the ones that are in my ships the ones 01:42:47.029 --> 01:42:50.050 that are most of the time are like oh are people 01:42:50.050 --> 01:42:53.229 you would never want to be in relationship with 01:42:53.229 --> 01:42:55.970 in your life. Like I, I mean, I am I'm a huge 01:42:55.970 --> 01:42:58.170 Sawyer stand from loss, but like, you don't want 01:42:58.170 --> 01:43:00.909 to date that guy. What? Not really. You know, 01:43:00.909 --> 01:43:03.329 he's got a whole bunch of stuff that he like, 01:43:03.369 --> 01:43:06.270 you know, the sexy bad boys with the heart of 01:43:06.270 --> 01:43:08.090 gold, they're meant for television, and they 01:43:08.090 --> 01:43:09.750 serve a place and they're amazing. And it doesn't 01:43:09.750 --> 01:43:11.590 make them bad. They always end up being good 01:43:11.590 --> 01:43:15.560 people. But They would not make very good boyfriends. 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:18.899 That's for sure. So yeah, Luke Danes from the 01:43:18.899 --> 01:43:22.500 Gilmore girls is kind of like, he is a, he's 01:43:22.500 --> 01:43:24.619 a funny guy. Yeah. He wouldn't let me use my 01:43:24.619 --> 01:43:26.619 cell phone, but he would like make me hamburgers 01:43:26.619 --> 01:43:29.420 and stuff. So, you know, it'd be cool. Yeah. 01:43:29.500 --> 01:43:33.079 I'm into that. I'm surprised she didn't go really 01:43:33.079 --> 01:43:37.949 old school folks. Brandon or Dylan? God, no. 01:43:38.069 --> 01:43:40.770 Neither of those weirdos. I never really understood 01:43:40.770 --> 01:43:45.710 that at all. Ew. No. I mean, especially not Dylan. 01:43:46.069 --> 01:43:48.989 I guess, well, see, now Dylan, like, now. But, 01:43:48.989 --> 01:43:51.189 like, at the time, I was like, this man is 30 01:43:51.189 --> 01:43:54.029 years old. I can see that. We can all see that. 01:43:54.170 --> 01:43:56.710 Like, what is happening? You know, it wasn't 01:43:56.710 --> 01:44:02.550 really... Yeah. For sure. And any of those shows, 01:44:02.609 --> 01:44:04.430 those people are always terrible boyfriends because 01:44:04.430 --> 01:44:06.289 shows that are about relationships, generally, 01:44:06.329 --> 01:44:08.010 they're just cheating on you constantly and hooking 01:44:08.010 --> 01:44:10.430 up with new people. And like, it's just it's 01:44:10.430 --> 01:44:13.909 yeah, it's a lot. Very true. The only other two 01:44:13.909 --> 01:44:16.229 I would think of is it would be a very weird 01:44:16.229 --> 01:44:26.430 choice. Charlie or Bailey. Matthew Fox or Matthew 01:44:26.430 --> 01:44:30.880 Fox. Who are those people? Wolf. Scott Wolf. 01:44:30.939 --> 01:44:32.539 Yeah, I don't know. I was not, I watched party 01:44:32.539 --> 01:44:34.720 of five. I was not into either of them or really, 01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:37.180 I was one of those shows that I think, because 01:44:37.180 --> 01:44:39.460 again, it was, we had cable and it was connected 01:44:39.460 --> 01:44:41.199 to other shows that I watched that I watched, 01:44:41.220 --> 01:44:43.479 but I was never really like super into it. I 01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:47.899 don't think. All right. Well, final choice. Angel 01:44:47.899 --> 01:44:52.319 or spike. Absolutely. Angel. I don't understand 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:57.640 people's look. Spike is funny. He is. That character 01:44:57.640 --> 01:45:02.100 arc has always bothered me because it goes against 01:45:02.100 --> 01:45:04.020 everything that makes sense in the universe. 01:45:04.420 --> 01:45:06.680 It doesn't. I don't like it. I don't understand 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:09.220 it. I think to me, Ultimate Spike is season four 01:45:09.220 --> 01:45:12.159 Buffy Spike, where he wants to be mean, but he 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:14.840 can't because he isn't able to. So he's just 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:18.020 kind of neutered, but he's around kind of helping 01:45:18.020 --> 01:45:21.039 out kind of against his will. But he's so funny 01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:24.829 and such a kind of a jerk. that to me is ultimate 01:45:24.829 --> 01:45:29.010 spike where he's just kind of like, you know, 01:45:29.029 --> 01:45:33.350 an ass hat. Yeah. That is forced to help them 01:45:33.350 --> 01:45:37.569 out. Yeah. I enjoy that. I don't, I don't understand 01:45:37.569 --> 01:45:39.930 this Mooney, this Mooney spike. I don't love 01:45:39.930 --> 01:45:41.890 it. I do love like villain, villain spike from 01:45:41.890 --> 01:45:44.069 season two and three, but I don't like Mooney 01:45:44.069 --> 01:45:46.989 spike. I don't like spike with a soul. And I 01:45:46.989 --> 01:45:49.289 don't think the soul thing makes sense because 01:45:49.289 --> 01:45:51.630 I don't like how he's not evil without a soul. 01:45:51.710 --> 01:45:54.119 That's stupid. And jealous is, Angelus is either 01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:57.579 Angelus or he's Angel. He's either evil or he's 01:45:57.579 --> 01:46:00.060 not evil. Where is this in between thing? Yeah, 01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:02.000 exactly. It goes against the entire concept, 01:46:02.140 --> 01:46:04.319 the entire vampire lore that they have set up. 01:46:04.380 --> 01:46:06.279 And they only did it because Spike was popular. 01:46:06.420 --> 01:46:08.619 And I don't like that. That bugs me. That's my 01:46:08.619 --> 01:46:10.979 little Spike rant. But no, I don't think he's 01:46:10.979 --> 01:46:12.819 that attractive. And like the actor's fine and 01:46:12.819 --> 01:46:15.460 he's cool. But like, no, definitely Angel. Yeah. 01:46:15.979 --> 01:46:17.800 Although neither of them really. I mean, if I 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:19.560 had to pick anyone from the Buffyverse to date. 01:46:22.530 --> 01:46:25.130 That's a good question. It's actually a very 01:46:25.130 --> 01:46:29.409 good question. Yeah, Oz is a pretty good boyfriend. 01:46:29.710 --> 01:46:31.930 That's fair, but I think it would be gone before 01:46:31.930 --> 01:46:36.529 they ruined him. Wait, when do you think they 01:46:36.529 --> 01:46:42.729 ruined him? Season 5. Lawyer? Really? Not because 01:46:42.729 --> 01:46:45.770 he was a lawyer. Okay, so it was the end of season 01:46:45.770 --> 01:46:48.869 4, beginning of season 5. Not because he was 01:46:48.869 --> 01:46:51.100 a lawyer, but they turned him into... something 01:46:51.100 --> 01:46:53.319 different like there was that whole i really 01:46:53.319 --> 01:46:56.119 like i am this is unpopular opinion folks but 01:46:56.119 --> 01:47:00.220 i love red and gun i thought that was a fantastic 01:47:00.220 --> 01:47:03.659 pairing that was unusual wesley was the obvious 01:47:03.659 --> 01:47:06.819 choice and i loved how they made she chose gun 01:47:06.819 --> 01:47:10.039 instead yeah because it was this different pairing 01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:11.520 and they were really sweet together but then 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:13.979 they just tanked that relationship without any 01:47:13.979 --> 01:47:15.640 really a lot of thought it kind of they just 01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:17.880 i don't know i think it was like once joss whedon 01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:19.920 got back involved with the show a lot more he 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:22.300 wanted wesley and fred to be endgame that's my 01:47:22.300 --> 01:47:25.600 guess yeah and and i understand that they did 01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:27.479 make it sweet in the end but i always felt like 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:29.920 they did a disservice to that fred and gun connection 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:32.409 they just kind of that thing with his professor 01:47:32.409 --> 01:47:34.489 where she could never trust him again because, 01:47:34.550 --> 01:47:37.229 or because of what he did. And he did that for 01:47:37.229 --> 01:47:39.189 her. It was stupid. I didn't like it. Made me 01:47:39.189 --> 01:47:41.449 mad. Now we're just getting out all of my anger 01:47:41.449 --> 01:47:43.130 about different things in the Buffy verse. Let's 01:47:43.130 --> 01:47:47.189 just end this episode on that. But yeah, I, I 01:47:47.189 --> 01:47:49.949 really, so yeah, I really liked like gun season 01:47:49.949 --> 01:47:53.270 two, three, kind of four pre the end of the Fred 01:47:53.270 --> 01:47:54.949 relationship gone. I thought, you know, it's 01:47:54.949 --> 01:47:56.829 fine. I just, I didn't like certain things. They, 01:47:56.869 --> 01:48:00.880 they kind of made him like more morally. schmucky 01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:03.479 and a little bit like i liked him as a lawyer 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:06.960 that was a cool idea i just didn't like how it 01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:10.479 just made wesley this like paragon of like virtue 01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:14.899 which was weird and i i didn't like it yeah yeah 01:48:14.899 --> 01:48:18.319 i think i would choose gun yeah very weird very 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:28.239 very weird yeah yeah spike the best i think the 01:48:29.449 --> 01:48:35.710 Best lines Spike ever had after... Like, for 01:48:35.710 --> 01:48:38.470 me... And yeah, folks, I know we've gone into 01:48:38.470 --> 01:48:41.189 Buffy, Angel, Fine, whatever. Honestly, it's 01:48:41.189 --> 01:48:44.909 getting my brain cells working on things here. 01:48:45.810 --> 01:48:48.710 You don't want to know. Not yet, anyway. But 01:48:48.710 --> 01:48:53.270 honestly, I stopped watching Buffy... Was it 01:48:53.270 --> 01:48:56.130 the end of Season 3 when they graduated high 01:48:56.130 --> 01:48:59.789 school? Yeah. Yeah, that's when I stopped. I 01:48:59.789 --> 01:49:03.649 never went back. Really? I never went back. I 01:49:03.649 --> 01:49:06.409 switched over to Angel. I saw certain episodes 01:49:06.409 --> 01:49:10.869 here and there, but I never watched it to follow 01:49:10.869 --> 01:49:13.930 along with the story. I eventually, I did see 01:49:13.930 --> 01:49:16.649 the series finale because you have to kind of 01:49:16.649 --> 01:49:19.109 watch that to see the end of it. But for me, 01:49:19.149 --> 01:49:22.930 the best lines that Spike ever said after his 01:49:22.930 --> 01:49:27.529 season two, season three stuff in Buffy. was 01:49:27.529 --> 01:49:30.829 when I got to season five of Angel. Oh, hey, 01:49:30.909 --> 01:49:33.810 boss, put another car in the drink. Spike, get 01:49:33.810 --> 01:49:36.729 out of here. You're, you're, you're, you're, 01:49:36.729 --> 01:49:38.930 don't say it, Spike. You're a bloody puppet. 01:49:39.529 --> 01:49:44.239 Yeah, oh my God. Fucking love smile time. Smile 01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:45.859 Time is one of the best episodes of television 01:49:45.859 --> 01:49:48.439 ever. And that's how I feel about some of the 01:49:48.439 --> 01:49:50.500 stuff they did on Angel. And Angel season five 01:49:50.500 --> 01:49:52.500 in general, I love the concept of. But there 01:49:52.500 --> 01:49:54.100 were things I didn't like. I didn't like the 01:49:54.100 --> 01:49:55.840 inclusion of Spike. That didn't mean that he 01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:58.939 didn't have episodes that he was good in. I felt 01:49:58.939 --> 01:50:02.159 that was simply a weird fan service. Like, oh, 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:03.779 this was a really popular character. He still 01:50:03.779 --> 01:50:05.659 wants to do this character. Buffy is over. Let's 01:50:05.659 --> 01:50:08.479 bring him on to Angel. I thought that was cheap. 01:50:08.579 --> 01:50:10.819 And I also thought it undercut Angel. I felt 01:50:10.819 --> 01:50:12.739 like Angel, that is his show. And I felt like 01:50:12.739 --> 01:50:14.260 it was sort of this weird. weird thing. Like 01:50:14.260 --> 01:50:17.140 I didn't like it and I didn't like what they 01:50:17.140 --> 01:50:19.239 did with guns character, but there were lots 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:22.100 of fantastic moments in season five. And I think 01:50:22.100 --> 01:50:25.840 overall it, it was a really powerful. Yeah. Folks. 01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:27.920 I don't know if she's going to be up for it, 01:50:27.979 --> 01:50:30.779 but I think I just talked myself into spending 01:50:30.779 --> 01:50:33.439 the next two hours creating a Buffy and angel 01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:39.260 list. Oh God. Maybe another time. I would love 01:50:39.260 --> 01:50:42.609 that. Well, no, I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying 01:50:42.609 --> 01:50:46.010 me, not you. I'm saying literally taking the 01:50:46.010 --> 01:50:49.569 next two hours, making a list and figuring out 01:50:49.569 --> 01:50:52.149 whether we're doing it by season or by episode 01:50:52.149 --> 01:50:55.090 or whatever. And just it's one of the things 01:50:55.090 --> 01:50:57.909 I made my husband do when I met him because he 01:50:57.909 --> 01:51:00.289 had never seen any of it is we slowly watched, 01:51:00.430 --> 01:51:04.289 I think, from from 2014 when we started dating 01:51:04.289 --> 01:51:07.590 until I think we finished. uh, just before we 01:51:07.590 --> 01:51:10.930 had our first son, 2019, we did all of Buffy 01:51:10.930 --> 01:51:12.510 and angel kind of, we would do like a season 01:51:12.510 --> 01:51:15.270 at a time, take a break, go back. Um, because 01:51:15.270 --> 01:51:17.090 I just, I don't know. I feel like maybe that's 01:51:17.090 --> 01:51:19.210 like a requirement for, for dating me is you 01:51:19.210 --> 01:51:21.149 can't be in a relationship with me and have like 01:51:21.149 --> 01:51:24.010 never seen this. At least you don't have to like, 01:51:24.069 --> 01:51:26.390 he liked parts of it. He just, you know, he's 01:51:26.390 --> 01:51:29.329 not a huge fan. He enjoyed parts of it more than 01:51:29.329 --> 01:51:32.079 others. Um, But he has to at least have that 01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:35.119 in his vocabulary or it's like he's not speaking 01:51:35.119 --> 01:51:38.079 the same language as me. So the other thing I 01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:40.479 thought of is even though it's technically not 01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:45.760 canon, if we do go down this road, folks, we 01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:51.340 have to start with the movie first. It's a movie 01:51:51.340 --> 01:51:53.939 in and of itself that is amusing, right? It's 01:51:53.939 --> 01:51:57.319 different. I don't hate it. No, I don't hate 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:00.510 it either. Anyway. All right. We are now exiting 01:52:00.510 --> 01:52:05.010 the TV fantasy fun land. Is there any storyline 01:52:05.010 --> 01:52:08.050 or subject or something you're dying to see more 01:52:08.050 --> 01:52:11.909 of on television? I don't know. I don't think 01:52:11.909 --> 01:52:14.829 so. I mean, I like where television is going, 01:52:14.930 --> 01:52:16.850 I think, for the most part, which seems to be 01:52:16.850 --> 01:52:19.289 the opposite of where humanity is going, which 01:52:19.289 --> 01:52:24.149 is more diverse characters, characters of all 01:52:24.149 --> 01:52:27.869 different. genres, a ton more television that 01:52:27.869 --> 01:52:31.350 features lead characters of different races and 01:52:31.350 --> 01:52:35.710 different abilities, more juicy roles for women, 01:52:35.829 --> 01:52:38.529 more roles for women of certain ages. I will 01:52:38.529 --> 01:52:42.310 say I like this evolution, and that's happened 01:52:42.310 --> 01:52:44.529 mostly through streaming, of shorter seasons 01:52:44.529 --> 01:52:47.090 and limited series. I think that that... has 01:52:47.090 --> 01:52:49.770 given television more teeth and more interesting 01:52:49.770 --> 01:52:53.529 content for sure. More of that. Yeah, I don't 01:52:53.529 --> 01:52:55.250 know. There's nothing that I'm like, I have never 01:52:55.250 --> 01:52:57.550 seen this on TV. I think also there's so much 01:52:57.550 --> 01:52:59.229 on television that there's probably a ton that 01:52:59.229 --> 01:53:01.270 I hate that I just don't watch. And then there's 01:53:01.270 --> 01:53:03.949 a ton that I love that I do and a ton I haven't 01:53:03.949 --> 01:53:06.170 discovered yet. So I feel like there's just a 01:53:06.170 --> 01:53:08.069 lot and I don't know that there's anything that 01:53:08.069 --> 01:53:09.590 I'm missing. Like I can't think of like, I've 01:53:09.590 --> 01:53:11.569 never seen a show about this or yeah. Yeah. The 01:53:11.569 --> 01:53:15.050 discoverability is, is enormous, especially with 01:53:15.050 --> 01:53:18.020 the internet, especially with. All of the streaming 01:53:18.020 --> 01:53:21.500 services, whether it's a new TV show to you, 01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:24.659 whether it's a new TV show specifically to like 01:53:24.659 --> 01:53:29.180 2025, 2024, whatever, or whether it's an old 01:53:29.180 --> 01:53:31.680 TV show that, again, whether it's new to you, 01:53:31.699 --> 01:53:33.800 even though it's an old show, or if it's an old 01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:35.859 show you're going back to, you can still, like 01:53:35.859 --> 01:53:37.760 I said, my buddy Dave and I are going through 01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:43.829 all of Columbo, all 10 seasons. And after that, 01:53:43.909 --> 01:53:46.090 we've got other ideas that we're going to be 01:53:46.090 --> 01:53:47.829 doing. I think we've even mentioned it on the 01:53:47.829 --> 01:53:51.529 podcast. He's a big fan of Homicide Life on the 01:53:51.529 --> 01:53:53.710 Street. We're going to be doing that. That's 01:53:53.710 --> 01:53:57.250 a show I should watch at some point. Yeah. I'm 01:53:57.250 --> 01:53:59.189 going to be doing, we're also going to be doing 01:53:59.189 --> 01:54:01.489 Diagnosis Murder because I was a huge fan of 01:54:01.489 --> 01:54:04.250 that. Oh, my God. That's like my grandmother. 01:54:05.029 --> 01:54:07.550 Yeah, I remember watching Diagnosis. Yeah, anything 01:54:07.550 --> 01:54:10.270 with like. Diagnosis murder. And what was the 01:54:10.270 --> 01:54:13.350 other one? It was, it was Matt lock. Yeah. Matt 01:54:13.350 --> 01:54:19.090 lock. Oh God. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. You got the 01:54:19.090 --> 01:54:22.189 lawyer and the doctor rolled up into one. And 01:54:22.189 --> 01:54:23.869 the people from that she was in love with from 01:54:23.869 --> 01:54:25.670 her generation. She was just like all about that. 01:54:26.210 --> 01:54:29.289 Yep. Yep. Yep. I like the lawyer better than 01:54:29.289 --> 01:54:31.270 I like the sheriff. I'll tell you that folks. 01:54:35.390 --> 01:54:38.380 Old Andy's better than young Andy. Yeah. There 01:54:38.380 --> 01:54:41.060 you go. There's a hot take folks. What was the 01:54:41.060 --> 01:54:43.239 other one that she used to be? Oh, Rockford files. 01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:47.640 That was the Rockford files too. Jim Rockford. 01:54:47.699 --> 01:54:51.619 Yep. Yep. Yep. What is the one piece of advice 01:54:51.619 --> 01:54:54.319 you would give the TV watching fandom in general? 01:54:55.899 --> 01:55:01.779 I mean, I don't know because it's so large and 01:55:01.779 --> 01:55:05.279 diverse. Like it's hard to say, you know, like 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:09.560 what watch TV. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe, maybe 01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:12.619 it's just, maybe it's just, and, and take recommendations 01:55:12.619 --> 01:55:15.500 from friends. I think that's always, I think 01:55:15.500 --> 01:55:20.619 sometimes, you know, especially now when a lot 01:55:20.619 --> 01:55:22.439 of things, they are discoverable, but there's 01:55:22.439 --> 01:55:24.939 also an overwhelming amount of content. Yeah. 01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:29.560 Like take chances on shows that are. quirky or 01:55:29.560 --> 01:55:33.199 small that someone who you think who you trust, 01:55:33.260 --> 01:55:35.180 do you think might have the same taste as you 01:55:35.180 --> 01:55:37.699 recommends to you? You know, that's how people 01:55:37.699 --> 01:55:39.779 watch Ted Lasso, right? It's not they watch Ted 01:55:39.779 --> 01:55:41.979 Lasso, not because everyone was like, let's go 01:55:41.979 --> 01:55:43.460 watch Ted Lasso. They watch Ted Lasso, because 01:55:43.460 --> 01:55:45.239 someone watched Ted Lasso and then went, this 01:55:45.239 --> 01:55:48.300 show is a cupcake and a teddy bear, all in one. 01:55:48.520 --> 01:55:50.760 And I've never felt so happy watch the show. 01:55:50.779 --> 01:55:52.279 And then people were like, okay, yeah. And then 01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:54.479 the next person was like, why do I why do I want 01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:57.199 to hug this show? It's just something special. 01:55:57.380 --> 01:55:58.899 It's a special experience, right? Like that's 01:55:58.899 --> 01:56:02.920 how shows like that get watched. So just continue 01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:06.239 to watch those shows and then tell people about 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:10.420 them. Yeah. I would also say on any of your streaming 01:56:10.420 --> 01:56:13.199 apps, folks, if you're looking for stuff, if 01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:16.960 you don't know what you're looking for, use the 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:22.380 genre tabs. Really? Yeah. Okay. Use the genre. 01:56:22.989 --> 01:56:25.390 Go to the action tab, go to the comedy tab, go 01:56:25.390 --> 01:56:27.550 to the drama tab, go to whatever tab you want 01:56:27.550 --> 01:56:31.170 to go to and just cycle through those and discover 01:56:31.170 --> 01:56:35.170 them that way. Honestly, sometimes Instagram 01:56:35.170 --> 01:56:38.829 is the best way to discover certain things. If 01:56:38.829 --> 01:56:42.850 I wasn't already kind of sort of paying attention 01:56:42.850 --> 01:56:46.090 to some stuff that Tim Allen does in his career, 01:56:46.289 --> 01:56:52.979 I think it was Instagram is how I found... Hell's 01:56:52.979 --> 01:56:56.300 name of the damn show. The new show. Oh, God. 01:56:56.380 --> 01:57:01.260 I just had it. Is it Shifting Gears? Yeah. Shifting 01:57:01.260 --> 01:57:05.680 Gears is Tim Allen's new comedy. I had no idea 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:07.239 Tim Allen was still doing things because our 01:57:07.239 --> 01:57:12.140 algorithm is different. Yeah. Just started it. 01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:16.920 Plays this. It's him and Kat Dennings. Great. 01:57:18.370 --> 01:57:21.270 It's just started. It's first season's got 10 01:57:21.270 --> 01:57:23.430 episodes. I think they're up to episode four 01:57:23.430 --> 01:57:25.710 or five. I could be wrong. I think it's on Hulu. 01:57:25.770 --> 01:57:27.590 It should be. I don't know if it's on Hulu in 01:57:27.590 --> 01:57:29.970 Canada, but it's on. We don't have Hulu really. 01:57:30.149 --> 01:57:33.829 We have. Okay. Well, you have Hulu somehow, some 01:57:33.829 --> 01:57:35.949 way we're not going to talk about how you have. 01:57:36.010 --> 01:57:37.810 No, I actually, I don't, I don't. I mean, like 01:57:37.810 --> 01:57:39.869 we don't, I don't know. Cause most of the stuff 01:57:39.869 --> 01:57:41.369 that would be on Hulu would be on Disney plus 01:57:41.369 --> 01:57:44.920 here. Yeah. I'm sure that's, yeah, that's probably, 01:57:44.979 --> 01:57:47.060 it's not quite the same, but yeah, I don't think 01:57:47.060 --> 01:57:48.539 it's the one, you know, and that, or some of 01:57:48.539 --> 01:57:50.539 it might be on crave. I don't know. Yeah, it 01:57:50.539 --> 01:57:53.520 might be. I can usually find most things that 01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:56.640 I want to watch. Yeah, absolutely. It is. It 01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:58.020 is. There are a couple of things that I will 01:57:58.020 --> 01:58:01.300 search for. Like I did, I did. I got a subscription 01:58:01.300 --> 01:58:05.880 to city TV for like a week at a time just so 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:07.920 I could watch found, which I haven't watched 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:09.920 second season of yet. which also has Mark Paul 01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:12.279 Gosler also in a beard. So there's a thread. 01:58:13.199 --> 01:58:14.899 The truth is if you're going to have a show and 01:58:14.899 --> 01:58:16.500 it's got Mark Paul Glosser and it's, and he's 01:58:16.500 --> 01:58:20.260 got a beard, I will watch it. That's it. So that's 01:58:20.260 --> 01:58:21.739 like, that's the thing you can put in a show. 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:23.520 If you're like, how do I get this person to watch 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:25.600 the show? Just give Mark Paul Gosler a beard 01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:28.100 and I'm in. Yeah. So the only way you're going 01:58:28.100 --> 01:58:29.779 to get her to watch saved by the bell folks is 01:58:29.779 --> 01:58:32.630 if you draw. a beard on her television every 01:58:32.630 --> 01:58:36.729 time i've seen save by the bell but yeah yeah 01:58:36.729 --> 01:58:41.189 obviously obviously yes all right folks we're 01:58:41.189 --> 01:58:43.369 gonna go to a quick podcast ad break here's some 01:58:43.369 --> 01:58:45.350 podcast ads some other stuff we'll come back 01:58:45.350 --> 01:58:49.680 to close the show right after this Hello, geeks 01:58:49.680 --> 01:58:52.539 and geekettes! Looking for a podcast that covers 01:58:52.539 --> 01:58:56.119 a vast array of topics? Then check out Altered 01:58:56.119 --> 01:58:58.579 Geek Unleashed, where we discuss our thoughts 01:58:58.579 --> 01:59:01.819 on this week's geeky news, tech, gaming, television 01:59:01.819 --> 01:59:05.819 shows, movies, cartoons, comics, and more. 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Then 01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:51.739 the next episode, the other host picks the movie. 01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:54.739 Each show will have a breakdown of why it is 01:59:54.739 --> 01:59:57.699 that movie was picked by that host, after which 01:59:57.699 --> 02:00:00.119 will be a discussion about what it is we just 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:03.479 watched. Lastly, we have the show Top 3, Bottom 02:00:03.479 --> 02:00:07.359 3. Similarly to Fine, You Pick, one host picks 02:00:07.359 --> 02:00:10.359 a television series, and the next week, the pick 02:00:10.359 --> 02:00:13.350 alternates to the other host. Here, the episodes 02:00:13.350 --> 02:00:16.130 of the show are chosen by the top three episodes 02:00:16.130 --> 02:00:19.970 and the bottom three episodes, as rated on imdb 02:00:19.970 --> 02:00:23.369 .com. Yes, this is probably the worst way to 02:00:23.369 --> 02:00:26.170 watch and review a television show, and yes, 02:00:26.289 --> 02:00:29.170 that's the idea. On our shows, I'll detail out 02:00:29.170 --> 02:00:32.210 how you can suggest things for us to watch. You 02:00:32.210 --> 02:00:34.770 can reach out and talk with the hosts and maybe 02:00:34.770 --> 02:00:37.560 even appear on an episode. I hope you'll join 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:40.579 me for this exciting new podcast adventure. I 02:00:40.579 --> 02:00:42.720 swear we're going to make it more than eight 02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:48.600 episodes. On the Simplistic Reviews podcast, 02:00:49.079 --> 02:00:56.460 we talk movies. We talk TV. We talk... Hello, 02:00:56.500 --> 02:00:58.359 Julie, what the heck are you doing? Trying to 02:00:58.359 --> 02:01:01.199 make our spot sound more exciting by adding explosions. 02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:03.159 Yeah, I'm pretty sure you could have got the 02:01:03.159 --> 02:01:05.180 point across with sound effects, not the real 02:01:05.180 --> 02:01:10.500 thing. Download the show on iTunes or at simplisticreviews 02:01:10.500 --> 02:01:13.619 .blogspot .com. I'm sure your insurance company 02:01:13.619 --> 02:01:15.979 will cover that. No, they won't. No, they probably 02:01:15.979 --> 02:01:19.640 won't. We are back here inside Studio 2009, and 02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:21.560 we're about to close it out, folks. For episode 02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:25.159 150, we got 50 to go to 200, folks. We got 50 02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:29.260 to go. Studio 2009 is going to be ongoing with 02:01:29.260 --> 02:01:33.239 various series, movies, other stuff. I am probably, 02:01:33.539 --> 02:01:36.399 like I said after this episode recording, Probably 02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:38.359 going to spend the next two hours figuring out 02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:43.199 a Buffy and Angel thing, but it is what it is. 02:01:43.600 --> 02:01:47.060 Anything you would like to promote, ma 'am? No, 02:01:47.079 --> 02:01:50.619 I do not have anything to promote, sadly. I am 02:01:50.619 --> 02:01:56.619 promoteless. I would like to promote someone 02:01:56.619 --> 02:01:58.619 babysitting for me, but that's probably not going 02:01:58.619 --> 02:02:02.479 to help. Not since this episode will be in the 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:04.800 future. So I don't think it's going to help you 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:11.060 now. No, that's true. All right, TV fans, we 02:02:11.060 --> 02:02:13.039 want to thank you for joining us here at Studio 02:02:13.039 --> 02:02:15.420 2009. If you'd like to get in contact with us 02:02:15.420 --> 02:02:16.739 and leave feedback for the show, there are several 02:02:16.739 --> 02:02:19.020 ways to do so. Visit the website geekcastradio 02:02:19.020 --> 02:02:21.659 .com where you can listen to and comment on all 02:02:21.659 --> 02:02:25.140 of our content. You can also visit shop .geekcastradio 02:02:25.140 --> 02:02:28.159 .com where you can get t -shirts. Up to 4XL. 02:02:28.199 --> 02:02:31.119 You can get mugs. 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No, only because then I have to look 02:03:42.609 --> 02:03:45.409 up what you just said, which is off the top of 02:03:45.409 --> 02:03:48.710 my head. Exactly. That's the problem with blue 02:03:48.710 --> 02:03:53.270 sky. You can go to facebook .com slash tcastradionetwork. 02:03:53.289 --> 02:03:55.590 You can also check out Studio 2009 podcast over 02:03:55.590 --> 02:03:58.069 there as well. Join us next time when we will 02:03:58.069 --> 02:04:00.670 be getting back to the Fast Saga. This will be 02:04:00.670 --> 02:04:03.720 part 10 where my buddy Sean and I will be. getting 02:04:03.720 --> 02:04:08.380 to F9, the Fast Saga from 2021. This is the one 02:04:08.380 --> 02:04:12.260 where John Cena comes into the franchise as Dominic 02:04:12.260 --> 02:04:16.520 Toretto's brother. So there's that. For now, 02:04:16.539 --> 02:04:19.779 I am TF2 and Mike with... Jennifer Kaufman. You'll 02:04:19.779 --> 02:04:23.109 hear us back in the studio soon. Hello, folks. 02:04:23.210 --> 02:04:26.090 TFG1 Mike here from the Geekcast Radio Network. 02:04:26.449 --> 02:04:30.390 Well, there you go, folks. The debut of Origins 02:04:30.390 --> 02:04:33.510 in television watching, Origins in TV watching 02:04:33.510 --> 02:04:38.869 with Jennifer Kaufman. Oh, boy. Well, that's 02:04:38.869 --> 02:04:42.050 the launch, folks. Origins in TV watching is 02:04:42.050 --> 02:04:46.720 here. Inside Studio 2009, only on the Geekcast 02:04:46.720 --> 02:04:50.439 Radio Network. I am coming to you live, sort 02:04:50.439 --> 02:04:53.939 of, kind of, not really, but it kind of is live 02:04:53.939 --> 02:04:56.279 because I need to tell you that everything I 02:04:56.279 --> 02:04:58.600 just said in that outro about what's coming up 02:04:58.600 --> 02:05:01.880 on the podcast has completely changed because 02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:05.479 we recorded this episode months ago. We recorded 02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:09.720 this at the beginning of 2025. And it is now 02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:15.680 practically the end of 2025. So yeah, we are 02:05:15.680 --> 02:05:19.500 still doing Fast and Furious 6. That will be 02:05:19.500 --> 02:05:23.039 the next episode. After that, Steve Megatron 02:05:23.039 --> 02:05:26.920 and I recorded an episode for Idiocracy in November. 02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:32.819 Since November is kind of practically almost 02:05:32.819 --> 02:05:36.380 here. We are going to be doing a discussion. 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:38.359 Steve and I are going to be doing a discussion 02:05:38.359 --> 02:05:41.659 on the new Eddie Murphy documentary that's coming 02:05:41.659 --> 02:05:46.039 out on Netflix called Being Eddie. After that, 02:05:46.100 --> 02:05:48.819 Steve and I have to do something else for 154 02:05:48.819 --> 02:05:52.560 for the podcast. And then in December, you're 02:05:52.560 --> 02:05:55.500 going to get 12 Months of Star Wars, A Disturbance 02:05:55.500 --> 02:05:59.439 in the Force, and then the Andor Season 2 discussions 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:02.779 that David Draper and I did earlier this year. 02:06:04.250 --> 02:06:07.430 2025 has been rough, folks. It really has. It's 02:06:07.430 --> 02:06:12.270 been lots and lots and lots and lots of setbacks 02:06:12.270 --> 02:06:16.090 for me. So I didn't get to do everything I wanted 02:06:16.090 --> 02:06:20.869 to do this year with the podcast. There were 02:06:20.869 --> 02:06:26.170 so many 25th and so many 30th and 35th and 40th 02:06:26.170 --> 02:06:29.750 anniversaries that I wanted to get to do. And 02:06:29.750 --> 02:06:32.029 I don't know if I'm going to get to do them before 02:06:32.029 --> 02:06:35.909 the end of the year. I'm going to try my best 02:06:35.909 --> 02:06:40.869 to get to these, but I just don't know. I honestly 02:06:40.869 --> 02:06:44.770 just don't freaking know. I also wanted to launch 02:06:44.770 --> 02:06:49.850 the new series that I've pre -recorded, that 02:06:49.850 --> 02:06:52.310 I have plans for, that I'm not announcing just 02:06:52.310 --> 02:06:57.310 yet. But we've got a lot of pre -recorded content 02:06:57.310 --> 02:06:59.930 that has already been recorded, that's been recorded 02:06:59.930 --> 02:07:04.079 for months. And I can't just release it because 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:08.220 I have it set at a certain episode number. And 02:07:08.220 --> 02:07:10.979 I'm an anal retentive podcaster. I've been an 02:07:10.979 --> 02:07:13.920 anal retentive podcaster for almost 17 years, 02:07:14.020 --> 02:07:17.939 coming up December 12th of this year. And yeah, 02:07:18.020 --> 02:07:20.319 the podcast numbers are going to be going into 02:07:20.319 --> 02:07:23.399 the episode descriptions. I'm not going to have 02:07:23.399 --> 02:07:25.699 them in the title anymore because Steve says 02:07:25.699 --> 02:07:28.920 it doesn't work with SEO anymore. And that's 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:37.199 fine, but... Folks, I'm sorry. I'm doing the 02:07:37.199 --> 02:07:41.359 best I can. I've always been transparent with 02:07:41.359 --> 02:07:45.460 you guys, and everything is coming. Everything 02:07:45.460 --> 02:07:47.920 that we've already done, everything that we've 02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:51.840 already prerecorded, it will happen. It's just 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:56.920 taking longer than I wanted it to. And the only 02:07:56.920 --> 02:07:59.979 reason why it's taking longer than I wanted it 02:07:59.979 --> 02:08:03.979 to... is because I had to have ulnar nerve and 02:08:03.979 --> 02:08:07.859 carpal tunnel surgery on my left arm. And my 02:08:07.859 --> 02:08:10.439 left arm is the only good arm I can use in life. 02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:13.760 For those that don't know, for if this is your 02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:17.779 first podcast episode ever, I was born with cerebral 02:08:17.779 --> 02:08:20.920 palsy on my right side. I have no actual use 02:08:20.920 --> 02:08:25.159 out of my right hand. None whatsoever. My right 02:08:25.159 --> 02:08:29.539 arm is essentially a crook. By that I mean I 02:08:29.539 --> 02:08:34.069 can put... A cup in it. I can put a can of soda 02:08:34.069 --> 02:08:37.930 in it. I can put a box of Kleenex. A thing of 02:08:37.930 --> 02:08:41.829 paper towels. I can hold stuff with my arm. But 02:08:41.829 --> 02:08:45.970 I have no actual dexterity or function out of 02:08:45.970 --> 02:08:51.430 my hand. So when my left hand got injured earlier 02:08:51.430 --> 02:08:54.329 this year. When I hit my elbow against a wall 02:08:54.329 --> 02:08:58.069 or something by accident. And it screwed up my 02:08:58.069 --> 02:09:03.159 ulnar nerve. everything went to hell. And I had 02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:05.960 to have surgery on it, which basically put back 02:09:05.960 --> 02:09:08.739 and pushed back everything here for Studio 2009. 02:09:09.239 --> 02:09:11.779 That's the only reason why I'm saying any of 02:09:11.779 --> 02:09:15.119 this stuff, folks. But you all know that I'm 02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:20.640 very honest, and I do reveal some of my personal 02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:24.039 life stuff to the audience. But yes, this was 02:09:24.039 --> 02:09:26.979 Origins in Television with Jennifer Kaufman, 02:09:27.020 --> 02:09:31.119 episode 150. As I've mentioned before, Steve 02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:34.300 Megatron and I launched Studio 2009, I believe 02:09:34.300 --> 02:09:40.100 it was June 20th, 2020. 6 -2020. So, yeah, in 02:09:40.100 --> 02:09:44.659 six years, we've reached 150 episodes. Very, 02:09:44.760 --> 02:09:48.840 very awesome. I have plenty of plans to get us 02:09:48.840 --> 02:09:53.319 way more episodes down the line. And if the plans 02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:55.939 that I have now, if I have to delete the whole 02:09:55.939 --> 02:09:58.840 thing of it being a 20th or a 40th anniversary, 02:09:59.100 --> 02:10:02.500 I'm still going to cover those films, but I'm 02:10:02.500 --> 02:10:04.659 still going to try like hell to get as many episodes 02:10:04.659 --> 02:10:09.399 out as I can between now and December 31st. Studio 02:10:09.399 --> 02:10:12.279 2009, I've gone a little crazy with, as you can 02:10:12.279 --> 02:10:14.100 tell, folks. There have been some times where 02:10:14.100 --> 02:10:18.289 Studio 2009 has been daily. That has been my 02:10:18.289 --> 02:10:21.670 dream since day one when I started the TFG1 podcast 02:10:21.670 --> 02:10:25.829 back in December of 2008, was to have a daily 02:10:25.829 --> 02:10:29.810 podcast. Granted, it wasn't recorded daily. It 02:10:29.810 --> 02:10:32.989 wasn't edited daily. Granted, it wasn't recorded 02:10:32.989 --> 02:10:36.010 daily. It wasn't edited daily or anything like 02:10:36.010 --> 02:10:38.270 that. But once I got all the production done, 02:10:38.550 --> 02:10:42.689 I could then release it daily. And we've done 02:10:42.689 --> 02:10:46.409 that with Columbo. The two seasons of Columbo 02:10:46.409 --> 02:10:48.390 that Dave Draper and I have recorded so far. 02:10:49.670 --> 02:10:52.510 We do have the third season recorded and ready 02:10:52.510 --> 02:10:56.029 to go. I just have to edit it and all that. But 02:10:56.029 --> 02:11:00.350 I hope you all enjoyed the new entrant into the 02:11:00.350 --> 02:11:04.729 GCRN origins. The origins in television. 30 questions 02:11:04.729 --> 02:11:07.550 about your TV watching habits. I have plenty 02:11:07.550 --> 02:11:10.630 of guests coming up for the origins in television 02:11:10.630 --> 02:11:15.050 series. So there's that, folks. Thank you again 02:11:15.050 --> 02:11:17.369 to everyone who has listened. You all mean the 02:11:17.369 --> 02:11:21.590 world to me, so thank you so much. And, yeah, 02:11:21.829 --> 02:11:27.489 tune in next time for The Fast Saga. This is 02:11:27.489 --> 02:11:32.390 part, what part is this? This is part five. This 02:11:32.390 --> 02:11:36.210 will be Fast and Furious 6 from 2013. Coming 02:11:36.210 --> 02:11:39.369 up next, here inside Studio 2009, only on the 02:11:39.369 --> 02:11:43.229 Geekcast Radio Network. Talk to you later, folks. 02:11:43.390 --> 02:11:45.590 Oh yeah, and unleash the geek in you.