Hey, hey, hey, it's Chaos Queen here, and you're
listening to the Geekcast Radio Network. Hey,
it's Mistress Carrie, and you are listening to
Studio 2009. All right, everyone, it's TV talk
time, because here at the Geekcast Radio Network,
we talk TV. This is the 150th episode of Studio
2009, only on the Geekcast Radio Network. I'm,
of course, TF2 and Mike, and I can't breathe
because I'm talking so fast. Maybe I should take
a breath. But anyway, 150 episodes of Studio
2009. Steve Megatron and I launched this podcast
June 20th, I believe it was June 20th, of 2020,
back during the bad... And it's 2025. It's been
five or six years since we launched this podcast.
It has now reached 150 episodes. I'm only recording
this pre -intro intro because this episode is
way late because of my health issues and other
things going on with my life. I haven't been
able to edit this, but this was recorded months
and months ago with my good Canadian sister in
television. Jennifer Kaufman, Kit Couch Potato.
She is amazing. She is awesome. We've done many
a podcast in the past. We've talked about This
Is Us. We've talked about children's television
programming and other things. That episode here
is on Studio 2009. But this launches the brand
new Origins here at the GCRN. That's right, folks.
We are expanding GCRN Origins. We have comics.
We've got cartoons with ToonCast. We've got comics
with The Pull Bag. We've got He -Man, Masters
of the Universe with Powers of Grayskull. We've
got Origins and Transformers with all things
Transformers. We've got Origins everywhere. We've
got podcast Origins here on Studio 2009 with
Podcast Approach. We've got a whole bunch of
Origins. Well, we're launching a new one. At
the end of 2024, I said to myself, I need something
new. I need to do something else. I want to talk
TV because we love talking TV here at the Geekcast
Radio Network. And what better way to do origins
in television watching or origins in TV watching,
however I'm going to name the name, whatever,
whatever, whatever. And the person I wanted to
launch this with, because I hadn't chatted with
her in a while, was my good friend Jennifer Kaufman.
We've always had amazing TV talk stuff, and I
wanted to launch that with her. So she is the
first guest. There will be other guests, I believe.
Have we already done mine? No, we haven't done
mine. I haven't figured out who is going to interview
me for My TV Origins. But Steve Megatron will
be on. Optimus Solo will be on. The Comic Concierge
will be on. Other people. I will have many people.
If you guys want to be on the show, you want
to answer the 30 questions about your TV watching
habits, just shoot an email to feedback at geekcastradio
.com, subject line Studio 2009, Origins in Television
Watching. So yeah, that's it. 150 episodes. We
are still going here, folks. I am still expanding
Studio 2009 after five years. We've mostly talked
about movies, and we've mostly, over the last
year and a half, two years, from 2023 to 2025,
I've been doing this anniversary movie thing.
This has a 30th anniversary. That has a 40th
anniversary, or a 25th anniversary for whatever
film it is. And I like doing that, and I love
talking about movies, but I also love talking
about TV. So as 2025 winds down, as we have the
150th episode here now, As we approach 2026,
Studio 2009 will be not transitioning away from
film, but it will be mingling and mixing in a
lot of TV talk. So like Rick Gar says in Transformers
the movie, we talk TV. Do you talk TV? I talk
some news. Now the news. Don't touch that dial.
So what I will say is, now here is... origins
in television watching with my guest jennifer
kaufman coming up next here on studio 2009 only
on the geek cast radio network enjoy the show
folks thank you for listening as always i'm tfg
and mike and i will see you soon listen to the
episode coming up next and i'm running out of
things to say because i'm stupid and i should
have ended it there earlier and i'm just flambéing
myself now Holy crap, folks. It's a good thing
this isn't radio, because podcasting is not radio.
But anyway, coming up next, Studio 2009, Origins
and Television Watching with Jennifer Kaufman.
Enjoy, folks. Hey, big guy. Need another car.
Afraid this last one ended up in the drink. Spike.
Look at you. Just turn around and walk away.
You're a... Spike! You're a bloody puppet! You're
a wee little puppet, man. Hey, that's enough.
Angel, what the hell happened to you? You look
ridiculous. Get out of here, Spike. Oh, my God,
Angel, you're a... Shut up! What are you people
looking at? Well? They're looking at the wee
little puppet man. Stupid. Did you find me? Piece
of crap. Yes, I'm a puppet. Doesn't mean you
don't have work to do. There is nothing wrong
with your podcast player. Do not attempt to adjust
the volume. Hello and welcome back into our studio.
You are now inside Studio 2009, only on the Geekcast
Radio Network. I am, of course, TF2 and Mike.
This actually will be featured both on Studio
2009 as the 151st episode of that podcast, and
it will also be featured on Geekcast Radio. At
some point in the near future. I don't know when,
so I don't know what episode number for Geekcast
Radio it's going to be. But this is our 150th
episode of Studio 2009. We are launching a brand
new origin segment. This has been two years in
the making, even though it only took us about
two weekends and 20 minutes. Something like that.
Yeah, that's usually how it goes, pretty much.
Avoid, avoid, avoid takes you very little time
to do it. Well, I mean, it's a, I would like
to think after 12 years, cause the origins format
for those that don't know, it started on the
comic podcast on the pullback. Cause I wanted,
I didn't want to just do, Oh, you're a comic
book podcast. Like every other comic book podcast
on the internet, you're going to do this. You're
going to do that. You're going to do every predictable
thing that every other, I'm like, no, I don't
want to do that. So I created, at the time, in
2013 it was 25 questions. In 2019, right before
everything shut down, I was like, oh, let's look
at this again. Let's see how we can expand this.
And it went from 25 to 30 questions. And then
I expanded everything else. And I went into cartoons
and toy collecting and video games. Now I'm like,
okay. TV's next. And here we are with the first
ever origins in television or origins in television
watching. I haven't decided what the actual title
of the thing is going to be yet. So that's also
why this being the 150th episode, it's going
to take a few months for this to come out because
I still don't know what the hell I'm calling
it. As you've heard a few of her sayings here
and her laughter, we have none other than Mrs.
Jennifer Kaufman. She is back. You heard her
way back when, two years ago, in episode 57 of
this podcast. I don't remember what the, I think
it was episode 17, 317 maybe, of GCR. We did
children's television programming then and now.
And why Paw Patrol is the devil. So go back and
listen to that. I can't believe that was two
years ago. That does not feel like two years
ago. What happened? Where did time go? Yes. I
specifically went back and looked. I'm like,
wait a minute. Because I was looking to grab
the link to send it to somebody else. Because
I was like, what episode number? I had forgotten
that I had syndicated it to both Studio 2009
and Geekcast Radio. I was like, usually most
of my podcasts, you ask me what episode number
The Simpsons is or what episode number Batman
the Animated Series is or what episode number
He -Man is on ToonCast. I can tell you He -Man
is number 10. Batman is number 92 because it
came out in 1992. Simpsons was number 80 just
because it was number 80. Usually I have all
that stuff memorized because it's my podcast
and I'll podcast if I want to, damn it. But it's
one of those things where I'm like, what the
hell number was this episode? And I'm looking
and I'm like entering like 17 million different
search terms and nothing is coming up. And I'm
like, okay. And then finally I just like, okay,
I'm just going to put in two different versions.
So I put in your name. as like the last resort.
Yeah. And then, and then I put in kit couch potato
as the second last year. Like, Oh, it was episode
57. Got it. Yeah. Episode 57 was, I think it
was August of 2023, somewhere around there is
what, what the thing said. But yeah, it's been
two years since we did that show. And right after
that show is kind of when I got the idea of,
of eventually doing this, but it's, it's been
a wacky two years. And it wasn't until I think
something happened last year where I started
the video game version of the questions last
year. And I'm like, hmm, what else can we expand
this into? And I don't know. I probably saw one
of your Facebook posts talking about TV or something.
And I'm like, hey, wait a minute. What about
that old idea? Like, let's get this going. So
here we are, folks. 30 questions all about talking
TV, watching and TV, watching habits. So welcome
to the show, Jen. Welcome back to the show. How
the hell have you been? I am good. You know,
just parenting. Lots and lots of parenting. It's
funny because I'm going back into the TV world
and if we'd done this maybe six years ago, boy,
it would have been a different thing too because
I would have been like, oh, and this happened
and I'm watching this and I watched these five
things last night, you know? And now it's so
interesting because I've had to pair all of my
TV watching back and be really intentional about
what I choose to watch. And then going back through
my history, it's just a, it's a very different
world when you have, and your time does not belong
to you as much. Nope. Your time belongs to either
Blippi or Bluey and the kids. Well, yeah, that's
like, Bluey is amazing. I would actually, that
I should have, I didn't, I didn't put that on
the list of anything I was going to talk about,
but we should absolutely talk about Bluey at
some point, because that is like, I mean, it's
a fantastic show for adults, for kids, for anybody.
It's deep. It's so deep. But yeah, it's sort
of like we watch kids' TV, yes, but also we're
busy doing other things and the kids are watching
their own stuff. And some of it we like, some
of it we avoid. But absolutely, we have to be
more intentional to grab that time to watch stuff
we want to watch. Absolutely. obviously in every
origins, it doesn't matter whether it's TV, video
games, whatever, which origin. Yeah. It wasn't
the, yeah. My girlfriend's a chaos queen. She
said, this makes no sense. Why would you ask
them? This is the first question. Why? Because
if the answer isn't yes, then why would you have
them on the show? The first question is, did
you grow up watching TV? And at what age do you
first remember really noticing or falling in
love with a TV show? And usually how this goes
is, yeah, we know, but like, yes, technically.
The answer would be yes, but everyone has a different,
like, what if your parents didn't let you watch
TV? What if you didn't discover TV until you
were not living at home anymore? What if you
didn't discover television until college or after
high school or somehow? Everybody has a different
origin. That's why these are called the origins.
Everyone has a different origin story. Not everyone
started watching TV at five years old, learning
with Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers and everything
back in the 80s. Absolutely. But when she pointed
that out to me, I was like, oh, crap. I guess
I can't ask anybody else to come on any of these
podcasts because the first question basically
just kills the whole interview. I don't know.
I think it depends. If it's about your TV watching
as a child, then yeah, the answer better be yes.
Right. There's lots of different. origin story.
Some people might have just not really been into
TV as a kid, but then really gotten into it.
Or some people might have, yeah, limits that
were put on them. And then when they could decide
for themselves what they were going to watch
and how they were going to watch, the whole world
opened up. So it's definitely interesting. It's
funny. I did watch TV as a kid, but my mom swears
that she didn't let me watch TV a lot as a young
kid. And she even mentioned this at my wedding
because the joke was that The wedding was TV
themed and all the tables were named after TV
verses or TV places, right? So you would be sitting
at Sacred Heart, you know, or the Dharma Initiative
or something like that. So she joked in her speech
that she didn't really let me watch a lot of
TV growing up. But I think, you know, she's exaggerating
a little because I, of course, I do remember
falling in love with Sesame Street, I think would
be that first show as it probably was for so
many children. Of the 80s and 90s and 70s, I
guess, right? Yeah, it was the first episode
was like 69. 69. Yep. Yeah. So, you know, I think
that was such a critical part of my childhood.
But I think my mom has said that we had a black
and white television before that. I feel like
they just didn't really watch a lot of TV. So
they got it. color television specifically so
I could see Sesame Street in color because she
kind of felt bad, I feel like. I mean, all the
Muppet, you know, if Big Bird's not yellow, it's
like, what are we even doing? So they got a color
television so I could watch Sesame Street. And
that was the first show that I really watched.
But outside of... That obvious one, I think Shira
was the other one that I stumbled upon, which
wasn't totally a kid's show, but it was animated.
So it felt to me like it was a kid's show. And
that's something that really captured my imagination
as a child. I don't remember a lot of it now
because I have not gone back and watched the
original Shira, I think, ever. Well, this year
is its 40th anniversary. You should go back and
watch it. I mean, maybe, right? I did watch the
new one on Netflix, which I quite liked, although
it was very different. But I think it was just,
you know, the characters, the names, the swords,
the powers, like that all really. attracted my
attention as a child. And while I don't remember
the show, I just remember how much I loved the
show. And I remember running around, you know,
with swords and the little pajamas. And I remember
dressing up as Shira with the little headpiece.
So that was something that absolutely captured
my imagination as a child. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, good old He -Man and Shira. Yeah, I remember
that. I mean, we have a podcast on the network,
Powers of Greyskull series, where we actually
watched re -watched. We started this in 2012.
We re -watched every single episode of every
single Masters of the Universe cartoon they've
ever done. The only ones we haven't done yet
are any of the new ones. So we haven't done the
new Netflix Shiri yet. We are going to at some
point. We haven't done that one yet. We haven't
done the... We kind of really did... We did kind
of sort of do the Kevin Smith version. We didn't
do the other... the CGI version yet, but we're...
We're working on it. We'll get back to it eventually.
But yeah, the one thing I remember from She -Ra
specifically, honestly, is just the secret of
the sword. It's just those first five episodes,
both individually as the episodes and as the
put together film. That's the only thing I remember
from the show, even though I don't think I even
remember that. I honestly, I feel like I remember
the image of her holding up the sword. And I
remember there was a character named Frosta.
Yep. I don't know why. I think I had a few toys.
So when a new series came out, I was like, where's
Frosta? Which one is Frosta? That's the one I
remember. I think I was six at the time. So I
was very young. There's pictures of me with my
sister who would have been three. We're both
wearing matching shirt pajamas. And my brother
is an infant like in one of our laps. Right.
So I don't think it lasted that long. sort of
obsession with it or when maybe it was you know
it also depended on what was on right because
it's not like we had dvds or even vhs's of that
stuff so if it wasn't it didn't happen to be
on at a time where i could watch it then it would
in my mind yeah so so if you were six in 85 i
was five when it premiered it lasted two seasons
it lasted two years by 87 it was first run syndication
It probably got a few reruns in 88, 89. I don't
know how many reruns after that. I was born in
81. So I would have been six in 87. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. So it might've been somewhere around there
that I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And that was Canada
too. So I don't know. Maybe it's different. Who
knows? Maybe. Who knows? I don't know where I
was watching it. I've got no idea. Was YTV a
thing back then? I don't think it was, wasn't
it? Oh Lord. I think YTV was a little later,
but again, I don't know. Someone turned on the
TV and I was like, Oh, look at that. Yeah. Look
at that. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. As a kid, how
much TV were you allowed to watch? And did your
parents sit you in front of the TV to distract
you a lot? So no, they did not. As I said, they
really tried to limit our screen time. And it
wasn't as much of a thing as it is now, of course,
because limiting screen time was certainly a
lot easier than it is now. But they did not put
us in front of the television to distract us
a lot. I think when I was really young, it was,
you know, we would watch Sesame Street. And there
was a period at which my mom would make dinner.
So she would make dinner. I don't know, probably
around like five o 'clock. And when I was little,
there was a couple of shows we'd watch back to
back at that time because they were on. So that
would have been like maybe Sesame Street, but
also like Polka Dot Door. I don't know if you've
ever heard of Polka Dot Door. Or today's special?
I don't think so. I've heard of today's special.
I don't remember. You've heard of today's special?
Okay, so these were, I believe, both Canadian
shows that were kids' shows. Because Canadian
television used to be really good for kids' TV
at the time. And Polka Dot Door was the world's
dumbest show. As a kid, I liked it. But it's
not bad. It's just that... The premise of the
show was that there were these two adults and
they lived in this house with a bunch of stuffed
animals. I think there were two stuffed animals
and two raggedy dolls or whatever. They would
talk to them, but they weren't puppets and they
didn't move. They would just put the bear up
to their ear and go, what's that bear? What did
you say? I think it was supposed to be how kids
really talk to their stuffies. But in a way,
you're like, OK, you couldn't have sprung for
a slightly larger budget and had a puppet or
something because they were just talking to these
stuffed animals. And then there was this weird
character called Pokeroo who would come in at
the end. He was sort of like a I don't even know
how to describe it, like a clown animal, giant,
tall kind of like guy in a mascot suit. And it
was clearly whoever was the man in the show.
The man would disappear and then Pokeroo would
come and then she'd be like, you. Missed him
again. And you're like, darn it. And you're like,
obviously you're a Pokeroo. Like I'm only seven
years old. It's very clear to me that you are
a Pokeroo, sir. So there was that one. And then
there was today's special, which, if you've heard,
takes part in a department store after it closes.
And the main premise is that one of the mannequins,
Jeff, comes to life after the store closes. And
so it's his story along with, I think, there's
the store manager. And they're both humans. And
then they have a puppet security guard and a
puppet mouse. And that was really well done.
That's a very cute show. But they would play
back -to -back on probably one of our... I think
it was TVO or some kind of kids channel. And
we would watch that. And then as we got older,
dinner time, we would watch back to back sitcoms.
So we would watch, there was a stretch of, I
think it was like Growing Pains, Full House,
Who's the Boss? There might've been one other
in there and they sometimes switched back and
forth. Those are the ones that we would watch
kind of at dinner while my parents would cook
dinner. But that was like. the time that we watched
television and we, and they didn't really, yeah,
we did not get sat in front of it at other times
to, for any other reason, really. That was it.
It was like, I'm trying to make dinner. Please
don't kill each other. Here are some shows. Yeah,
exactly. There you go. Yeah, basically. What
was the first. Okay. I blame her for this folks.
This is her fault. Cause it's my own reaction,
but. It's her fault because she put adult in
quotes. What was the first adult show you remember
watching? Now, when I answer these questions,
my thing is going to be, ooh, they were squiggly
lines and you had to really angle yourself at
a certain angle to see certain things. Yeah,
I did think when I wrote adult that it might
accidentally have another connotation there.
But I guess I sort of meant like not kids television.
So what was the first like regular? non -kid
TV show you remember watching or falling in love
with? So it would have been Road to Avonlea on
CBC, which is our public broadcaster in Canada.
And I don't know if you are aware of the show,
but I'm sure you've heard of Anne of Green Gables.
Yep. You can't live and not have heard of Anne
of Green Gables. That would have been insane.
Based in that world, Avonlea was the place where
Anne was from. And so the author wrote a couple
of random stories about Avonlea. And they took
some of these sort of random stories about Avonlea
and created a whole world of characters based
on that, very loosely based on it. So these were
stories that took place kind of in that same
setting as Anne of Green Gables with all these
different characters. And I used to watch it
with my family every week, and I loved it. And
that's where Sarah Polly got her start. I don't
know if you know Sarah Pauly, actress from Dawn
of the Dead and Go. Now she's a really famous
director. She was the little girl, kind of the
main star of that show. And so that was kind
of the number one. And then the other one was
the... Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of
Superman. And that was something that I watched
with my parents as well. In fact, I think we
watched that the same night as Avonlea, but it
was a different channel. So we watched, we would
watch Avonlea was on first, and then we'd switch
to the non -public broadcasting channel and watch.
lois and clark the new adventures of superman
because my mom was obsessed with that and i loved
it as well like that was the first show that
i watched regularly like we watched all the sitcoms
as i mentioned like i do remember watching full
house and growing pains but you know you never
really watch it in order and it wasn't something
that i was like oh no i can't miss the next episode
of full house because also i was watching in
syndication so who knew yeah um but definitely
like every week we did not want to miss road
to evan lee and lois and clark and we you know
we We wanted to know what happened next, and
it was kind of like that first appointment, television.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Lois, I'm home. I had
a train derailment in Canada, an orphanage fire
in London, and a dam broke in India. Did you
make something for dinner? Oh, my gosh. What
happened? Lex Luthor. The rat. Where's Lois?
She was here just a second ago. Probably scared
witless, poor thing. Don't worry. I'll have you
out of that thing in no time. Okay, let's see
now. Do I disconnect the black wire or the white
one? Don't worry. I'll save you. What do you
think? What do I think? Lois, I think you got
some explaining to do. Clarky, if we're going
to be partners and we're going to be married,
I want to be part of the act. Lois, there are
things I do you can do. Me Superman. Me super
wife. Us super in trouble. Could you hold this
argument till later and get us out of here? I
knew this was going to happen. First you know
who I am. Then you're going to fire me. Next
thing you're going to fire us up in a hatch.
Ay, caramba! You exploded them! Oh, Clark, you...
Well, I can explain why they exploded. Ay, ay,
ay! Hola. Clark? Yeah, sitcoms are... Sitcoms
are weird. Sitcoms are... Yes, you have your
season or series, premieres and finales. So you
get your season... premiere season finale series
premiere series finale and those are okay season
one starts you have the introduction of all the
characters and everything else and all this and
all that and you get the season one finale and
they some most times season one finales don't
do too many dramatic things i mean if it's been
a super successful show it'll be fine if it's
been super funny it'll be fine but as the as
the sitcom goes on maybe they want to do a little
bit more drama to it or maybe they want to add
something to it maybe they want to add high stakes
to get better ratings for next season to make
sure they come back and they'll do stuff like
that but yeah i mean sitcoms generally other
than the first episode and last episode of every
season you could essentially watch any of the
in between any of the middle part of that sea
whatever season it is Like you could watch season
two, episode seven, season three, episode nine,
back to back in syndication of whatever show
it is and not miss a beat. Unless somehow those
two seasons, one character left and then a new
character, like, you know, you know, the old
saying. this actor is now playing this character
in this soap opera, you know, unless that happened
kind of a thing, which it never really did on
sitcoms, but like, unless something like that
kind of happened. Oh, it did on Roseanne, remember?
Okay, well, it did on Roseanne, but... That was
the big one, the Becky, yeah. Yeah. But, you
know, yes, I think that's true to a certain extent.
Yeah, to a certain extent, yeah. When you're
younger, you don't really notice or care. Like
if I was watching Full House, I'd be like, oh,
right. I mean, you can see the differences in
where the characters were, but it wasn't enough
to dissuade you or to feel like, well, I'm missing
stuff. I certainly can't watch this now, you
know? I think the first sitcom I really remember
watching every week was Friends, and it's because
everyone was doing it. And clearly, you know,
Their romantic entanglements sort of arced the
seasons. And so you would, obviously, if you
tuned into a different episode. in syndication
of friends, because that was one of the series
where I would watch both at the same time, because
while it was airing the later seasons, the earlier
seasons were all in syndication earlier in the
evening. And you would be like, oh, well, okay,
Chandler's dating this person, so that's an earlier
episode, or so -and -so's dating this person.
But it didn't preclude you from watching, because
the plot was still contained in the episode,
much like a procedural. And certainly when I
was younger, like I... it took me a while to
kind of figure out where they were on who's the
boss. Like, you know, okay, how, what's going
on? Oh, this person's a little bit older and
like, Oh, or Tony and Angela like openly flirting
yet. Like what's happening. So there was that
kind of stuff, but, but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't
appointment television because I wasn't watching
it week and I had no idea when it actually aired.
Right. I just watched it during dinner time.
So, yeah. Yeah. I think the thing though is with
the older comedies with stuff like, What's a
good example? Technically, I guess the first,
I'll say two seasons. The first two seasons of
ALF, like I said, outside of the premiere and
the finale, you could probably watch any of those
episodes in any order of each of those seasons.
Like season one, you could watch episode seven
and then watch episode three. Yeah. probably
really really matter that's not how you should
watch them folks we're not telling you to do
that i'm just saying i mean maybe that's that's
the way syndication was back then that's the
way like yes yes i mean seinfeld is like that
too i think more than anything because seinfeld
notoriously has like not a lot of character arcs
in it and so you really yeah other than sometimes
the wardrobe it really doesn't matter because
they're not you might be like oh right this is
after susan died or something but that was really
the only kind of thing you know because they
were notoriously like unattached and not yeah
yeah that's how they how it worked yeah after
all it's a show about nothing yes absolutely
Alright, next up we got, did you have any favorite
TV characters when you were growing up? Yeah,
I think when I was growing up in my younger years,
like definitely, I mean, a lot of the characters
in Road to Avonlea, but I mean, Anne of Green
Gables was always my favorite, even though that's
like a... Those were two kind of TV movies, I
guess, four -hour TV movies. They kind of aired
over two nights each, Anne of Green Gables and
Anne of Green Gables the sequel. And she was
my all -time favorite kind of role model, right?
She was imaginative and sassy. And I don't know
why she didn't like her red hair. Like, who didn't
want red hair? That's insane. But yeah, she was
obviously my favorite. But I thought this was
also a good place to talk about one of my weirder
TV... which was sort of from the age of, I would
say junior high. So what I must've been like
13 to like 16. I was, I went through a really
like deep soap opera phase where I was just obsessed
with one soap opera at a time. And I think that's
how I got introduced to the concept of shipping.
Although I didn't really call it that at the
time because I didn't really know what shipping
was, but I would pick a show and then I would
like sort of fall in love with this. Will they,
won't they. kind of drama of two of these soap
opera characters and it just became like an obsession
so like those were the characters that I remember
like When you think about being obsessed with
characters, it was like I had, I watched this
really bad Canadian soap opera called Family
Passions, which took place half in Canada and
half in Germany. Although like nobody in Germany
was speaking German, but they all had really
German names like Stefan and Jürgen and Hans.
So there was like a romance between two of those
characters, Stefan and Kala, that I was obsessed
with. And there was like another world romance
between Maggie and Raphael. And there was like
a Days of Our Lives one. Austin and Carrie, I
believe I was really like attached to those ships.
Like that was my thing. And sort of in my early
teen years in terms of characters, like I was
just, that, that introduced me to this idea of
like, at being the driving force between watching
something was like, Oh, these two have to end
up together or I'll die. You know, like the sad
thing is, is I found very late. I grew up with
my grandmother watching Days of Our Lives, All
My Children, One Life to Live, General Hospital,
all that stuff. But I did not fully get invested
until for General Hospital. I didn't get invested
until like 2002, 2003 when Jason and Sam were
a couple. Oh, okay. I was 22 and 23 years old
at that time. I'm like, oh my God, how the hell
am I getting invested in this now? It's hard.
And it's weird because it's a weird exercise
in watching television because nothing happens
almost in every episode. And then really, I used
to be obsessed with it so that I would make my
parents record the episodes on VCR while I was
at school. You know, then you'd be like, oh,
no, I missed this scene. And then, you know,
I'd go on vacation or something and we wouldn't
be able to record it. And I'd be like, what am
I going to do? And later you're just like, what
are you talking about? Nothing happened. Like
you could come back a month later and like the
plot is still the same, man. You're fine. Sometimes
they're still having the same conversation in
the same room. But it felt very vital then. It
felt very important that I not miss a second
of this soap opera, which is kind of crazy. And
luckily that era did not last long. I think,
yeah, just sort of like 13 to 16. And then I
was kind of over it. Thank God, because that
was intense. Were you loyal or partial to specific
TV networks when you were a kid? How about now?
Definitely not as a kid. And Canada, it's a little
different, too, because most of the content was
coming from America, made by totally different
networks than the ones we were watching it on.
Sort of our two major public ones were global
and CTV. Not public, sorry. I guess private,
like commercial networks were CTV and global.
And I would watch whatever the show was on any
of those things that, yeah, where it made the
most sense, I guess. I had no really concept
of that. And as I went through a real big ABC
phase in my mid -20s when they had that huge
resurgence with Lost and Desperate Housewives
and Grey's Anatomy, I became like an ABC loyalist
because I was so interested in the story of how
they were like fourth and they shot to number
one with all these shows that the guy who was
fired had greenlit, right? I think it was Lloyd
Braun was his name and he had greenlit all these
shows. But because he hadn't gotten the numbers
out up. before he got fired before they all premiered
and then they all like were smashes right and
it was like this interesting hook of a story
from 2004 so the abc loyalist phase and um now
i guess you know i went through a bit of that
like wb phase as well where like all the shows
that i really liked were kind of on the wb you
know when you were watching Buffy and Angel,
the teen shows, even though I wasn't watching
them on the WB because we didn't get that here.
I was really into that culture of the WB as being
the place where all the cool teens and early
20s people hung out and watched stuff. Yeah,
absolutely, absolutely. Wasn't Lloyd Braun just
a character on Seinfeld? uh i swear i don't know
i'd have to i don't know man i gotta look that
up i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that his name
was lloyd braun he was the guy who like greenlit
this stuff and then um yeah it was fired before
it premiered and it was one of the craziest years
of television either because it was those were
some of the biggest smashes and kind of a new
era of network television yeah Network TV was
back, baby. I mean, my God, Grey's Anatomy is
still on from that season. That was a mid -season
show, so it didn't premiere in 2004. It premiered
in 2005, but it had already been greenlit and
the first episodes had been made. It premiered
in 2005 after the Christmas holidays and it was
still on the air. That's insane to think about.
To think about how many years have passed since
then and that show is still on the air. 20 years.
Yeah. Same with stuff like, you know, when you,
when you, when it's animated or something like
the Simpsons, it feels a little different because
it's sort of like, these are cartoon characters
that don't really age or change that much, but
like to have a show with actors and these like
on the air for like, wow, that's wild. Crazy.
Wild. Crazy. Yeah. When streaming came along,
did you resist it at first? What was the first
streaming show that you. were in that drew you
in? No, I definitely didn't resist. I, I mean,
I always thought that I would still want to own
physical things because I was really into collecting
DVDs. But as soon as Netflix was sort of like
available, like I got into house of cards right
away because it was just low hanging fruit and
it was easy to watch. And yeah, so I did, I did
the house of cards and the orange is the new
black thing right off the bat and was really
into both of those. Still to this day, I've never
seen either of them. I've watched everything
else on Netflix. I've never watched either one
of them. In retrospect, House of Cards obviously
kind of turned out in a bad place. Kevin Spacey
and everything. But the first season was really
compelling. But Orange is the New Black was a
really good show because it was a stealth show
that really introduced diverse characters in
a different way because the first season was
sort of based on this book by this white woman
who went to jail for being involved in sort of
selling drugs. So her character, Piper, goes
to this all -women's prison, and it's sort of
about this sort of waspy woman, like, what am
I doing here? How do I fit in? This is crazy.
But very quickly, that... premise was kind of
like sidelined to become really a show about
a strong group of Black characters and Latina
characters and Asian characters and different
cultures within prisons. You know, lesbian characters,
queer characters, older characters, people of
all different weights and types of faces and
just abilities. It was... a very cool way to
have a bunch of diverse characters on screen,
especially diverse female characters. So yeah,
I would recommend that one for sure to watch.
I don't recommend anybody bother with house of
cards at this point, but it was fun at the time.
Fun at the time. Times they are changing. Oh
boy. Do you still watch broadcast TV or cable?
Why or why not? I do not because I do not have
it. I cut the cord or the literal fake, I don't
know, it's not really a cord, but the metaphorical
cord a while ago because I just, I never turned
on the television for the purposes of doing that.
And I would PVR things and they would just pile
up on my PVR and I just wasn't watching them.
I go to my parents' house a couple times a year
to watch the Oscars and a bunch of other award
shows because I'm a bit of a award show nut.
But that's really it. I do watch a lot of shows
that are on broadcast, but I watch them when
they end up on streaming. On streaming, yeah.
And so in Canada, that's either, you know, obviously
the Disney Plus stuff will end up, or the ABC
Fox stuff often ends up on Disney Plus. And then
we've got Crave here. So the stuff that ends
up on CTV in Canada, which can come from all
over, often ends up on Crave after the fact.
And there are some shows that I just have never
checked out simply because they haven't. ended
up anywhere and I haven't bothered to go out
of my way to find them or to seek them out outside
of all the streaming services. And I have all
of the streaming services because let's say we
definitely do not share them with random people.
No, we would never do that. But we have Apple
TV and Disney Plus and Crave and Netflix and
people that we know and definitely don't share
with have Paramount and Acorn. Add a bunch of
other ones, too. Yeah, there's a lot. A lot.
There's so many of them. Prime. I forgot Prime.
Prime's a big one. Yeah, we have that, too. Prime's
a big one. Yep, yep, yep. I don't even know.
So I've been living. I had moved from Washington
State to Indiana in 2022. This is more for you
than for the listeners, because I'm pretty sure
the listeners have heard me say in the last three
years that, unfortunately, Karen, my late wife,
had passed away in 2021. I had to move from Washington.
to hear. Yes. I've been here for three years.
And even before the move, we never, our TV, we
were streaming everything. Yeah. Whatever it
was like, I, I couldn't even tell you. I know
one local channel out in Vancouver, Washington.
I mean, technically it was Portland, Oregon's
channel, but it was syndicated across the river
to Vancouver because Vancouver is right across
the river from Portland, Oregon. But here in
Indiana, I'm in Anderson. I'm 45 minutes northeast
of Indianapolis, and I can sit here and tell
that to people. It's fine. It's not that we have
a deal, but it's one of those things where I
wouldn't even... I think CBS Indy 4 is the only...
channel i remember because i remember when i
moved here three years ago i was like oh i should
go to facebook and look and see which you know
which facebook pages for whatever network or
what and it didn't matter cbs abc whatever i
was just looking for the low what i was looking
for was local weather really was to find a local
weather spot because whatever Kind of thing.
But I have not. My TV is a 55 inch flat panel
sharp TV that I bought in 2018. It is finally
mounted to a wall in this apartment. And it's
nothing but streaming. It's nothing but streaming.
I know it has obviously broadcast whatever, but
just I don't know. I just don't. It's just too
easy. easy to stream and there's so many options
that going outside of that feels like work in
a weird way um and i i knew you had moved but
honestly i i knew it was somewhere in the heartland
but i i don't really know where all those places
are kind of in my head i was like for some reason
i thought that when we did our last two podcasts
which was after you would move that You were
in a different time zone. Clearly you weren't.
No. Right. I kind of, I knew your history and
I knew that you had moved from somewhere, but
I, but I didn't know that that meant you switched
time zones. And I wasn't even sure, like Indiana,
no offense, but I could have said like Ohio or
like Iowa. And those are probably in the same
time zone as me, but I didn't know that or think
about, yeah, I don't know, man. That's just my
ignorance about American geography. It's okay.
I'm sure I'm just as... Look. Niagara Falls,
you can still go over in a barrel, right? I went
over in a barrel in 1992. I was 12 years old.
I survived. You can still go over in a barrel,
right? Come on now. No, it's fine. I just want
you to know that it's not that I did not remember
that you moved. No, no, no. It's fine. No, no,
no. It's fine. You mentioned the award shows.
I... I loathe award shows in general because
I just, I don't like the, it's the process of
how the awards are selected to be given out to
various people. And that's, that's what I don't
like about it. I like that people win. I think
that it's great when, when certain people win.
But what I like about award shows are moments
that we sometimes get. Like slap people on live
television? No, not that moment. I do not like
that moment. No, that was a thing. You're absolutely
right. I liked it, but it was something. It was
something, but that was not a good moment whatsoever
at all. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the
good moments, the moments you don't expect, the
moments where, yeah, Fuller's going to drink
another Pepsi. Fuller, yeah, you're sleeping
alone tonight, Fuller. Fuller, almost 30 years
later. Cause yeah. Shit. It's the 30, 30th, 30th,
35th anniversary of home alone. Wait, 1990, 2025,
35th anniversary of home alone this year. Uh,
uh, Karen Culkin, his speech. Oh my God. What
was so great about that in the first place was
that, you know, he was already a lauded actor
on television. He'd done movies and stuff, but
he was in succession and he had won this Emmy
last year. And so he made that joke about, you
know, my wife said, if I won an Emmy, we can
have a third kid. And then, you know, he said
in the parking lot, oh, well, I actually want
four. And she said, oh, honey, I'll give you
four when you win an Oscar. And the funny thing
about that is that. It wasn't really any likelihood
last year at all of Kieran Culkin winning an
Oscar because he hadn't done any movies, big
movies in a while. It wasn't like if you said
that to say, like, who hasn't won an Oscar, who
definitely will at some point. Oh, like Amy Adams.
If you said that to Amy Adams, you're like, well,
Amy Adams will eventually win an Oscar. So that's
that's very likely to happen. You could not have
predicted that he would find the one movie that
would get him nominated and then he'd win an
Oscar the next year. That's so insane. That clip.
I just love the way he tells that story. He's
a masterful comedian. He is so good. Honey, love
of my life, ye of little faith. Of course she
had little faith. He didn't see himself there.
That's what's so funny. No, I know. It was great.
That's what I love about award shows. Moments
like that. There was another moment from last
year. What happened last year? Oh, God. There
was another good moment. I don't think I remember
much from last year. Oh, there was another. I
don't know. I saw that moment. And like I said,
there's some other said whatever. I don't know.
There's a clip of Kieran Culkin being asked something
on the red carpet. I think someone, the reporter
said, oh, there's this thing on the Internet
where people are wondering who would win in a
fight between the Culkin brothers and the Skarsgård
brothers. And the look on his face, he was like,
have you seen those guys? Yeah, exactly. He said
they would murder us. They would kill us. Maybe
if one of them had a hand tied behind his back.
I don't know. But it was the funniest reaction.
He was like, are you out of your mind? Those
guys are giants. They would literally murder
us. I like watching all of the content ahead
of time. It's almost like a game for me when
people get nominated that I'm like, okay, let's
see how many of these I can watch so that I feel
informed. And I also like the fashion. I do love...
I love watching the fashion. I love the dresses.
I love going online and talking about the dresses.
That's probably not your thing, but me, yeah,
no. That's part of the spectacle of it all. What
I used to like, I don't do this anymore, obviously,
but what I used to like was I used to like watching
Fashion Police. I used to like Joan and Kelly
and all of them breaking it down. But since Joan
has... It's just not the same anymore. Yeah.
It's just not the same anymore. No, it's true.
It's true. So this Canadian friend of mine here,
folks, she's nuts. There's no way we're going
to do this, but we're going to try. Top 10 shows
of all time. Go. Well, I wrote it down. So it's
not like I just caught them off the head by me.
I cheated. I cheated. I knew what the question
was. I was probably sitting here going, uh, who?
Okay, but I didn't think about it too hard, so
I'm probably missing a ton. Lost, Buffy and Angel.
I'm just going to call them one show. I think
that's fair. The West Wing, Veronica Mars, Crazy
Ex -Girlfriend, Gilmore Girls, Everwood, Scrubs,
Friday Night Lights, and Battlestar Galactica
with Wild Cards, Ted Lasso, and The Mindy Project.
Those are my... Yeah. there's probably lots that
i'm forgetting and it's funny because i'm looking
through and i'm like god there's really no other
than ted lasso which is like a wild card the
funny thing is now despite the fact that all
i do is watch streaming every single one of these
shows is a from a like almost a different era
except maybe crazy ex -girlfriend before streaming
yeah and i think that's because At least I don't
re -watch things in the same way that I used
to because there's just too much to watch. There's
so many shows that I watch now and I love, but
they don't retain the same spot in my head or
my heart because I don't have this DVD that I
am then re -watching over and over and over.
Sometimes you'll go back and watch episodes here
and there or occasionally watch a whole series
with a person who hasn't seen it yet. But even
then, you'll... often pick one of these series
instead of the newer series. So it's interesting
because it's definitely, I think it's changed
the game. And it also could be that those are
the shows from my relative youth, not like youth,
youth, but like my 20s, most of them, 20s, maybe
some like early 30s. So that those tend to, I
think, stick with you being from a part of your
life that's very formative, you know? I bet if
you asked a lot of people who were in their 50s
what their favorite shows were, some of them
would pick shows maybe a decade earlier, you
know, or vice versa. I don't know. Maybe not.
TV's changed a lot. But for sure, I just noticed
as I was writing that down that, yeah, like.
I could, you know, if I went back through all
the shows I recently watched and tried to think,
would any of these make the top 10? I'd have
to really think about it. They don't come instinctually
to me when someone asks me. Well, literally,
when someone says go, this is what came to mind
pretty much immediately. I just had to write
it down. So I. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, like
that. That's interesting. I just find that find
that interesting, intriguing. I don't know. Yeah,
absolutely. This question is going to be difficult
for me when I end up answering these questions,
because honestly, I know some, but I don't know.
Like, it's no disrespect to them, but I don't
know many off the top of my head. Who are some
of your favorite TV writers and why? Like, I
don't have writers in my brain as much as I have
actors and actresses. I wish I did. I feel like
I have the opposite. I mean, the actors are in
my brain, but I don't think of them as the architects
in the same way. So the writers are the people
that I really fanned over, but it's complicated.
It's complicated because a lot of my favorite
writers or who used to be my favorite writers,
I have now, I still admire their work, but I
am no longer, I would no longer consider myself
a fan of them. So like Joss Whedon, for example,
was always someone who I, I just adored his work,
but him as a person has become quite problematic.
Amy Sherman Palladino, who wrote The Gilmore
Girls, I don't love her politics either. But
what I liked about their writing, and also Aaron
Sorkin, who's also one of my favorite writers,
and he wrote The West Wing and Sports Night and
Studio 60 and all that stuff. What I like about
the way they write is it's very intentional and
very fast paced. Lots of dialogue. You know,
Aaron Sorkin kind of is the king of like the
walk and talk where the actors would just walk
around the space of the show and like kind of
give a ton of exposition and banter and like
just keep talking and walk. There was never any
like dead air. And Amy Sherman Palladino is very
much like the female version of that. Like the
Gilmore Girls is just full of constant chatter,
constant quippiness. Those are a very intentional
kind of writing that is very stylistic. And it's
one that doesn't involve a lot of ad -libbing
or improv. Like, you know, the people, Lauren
Graham and other actors on Gilmore Girls have
said, like, you would get stopped if you said
and instead of the. And she would say, no, it's
the. No, it's and. Because it's the flow of the
words that really mattered. And having said that,
the other style of writing that I really like
is the way that Jason Kadams would write. And
he was the one who did Friday Night Lights, where
it's so realistic. It feels like it's not really
written, which is the opposite. You watch the
West Wing and you're like, someone wrote the
shit out of this. Right? Or you watch Gilmore
Girls, you're like, obviously, no one talks like
this. This is a style. But when you watch Friday
Night Lights, it... It's very minimalist and
it feels like the characters are having authentic
conversations that often just, they feel so realistic
that it does feel as if they haven't been written,
although they obviously were. And that's very
different, but I really like that style as well.
So he is one of my favorites. Rob Thomas, who
did Veronica Mars. I love Mindy Kaling. I love
Bill Lawrence, who did Ted Lasso and who did
Scrubs. And Dan Fogelman. uh, who wrote this
is us. Now we did that podcast together and we
both talked about how we never finished the show.
Cause it was just a lot. Um, you know, he writes
relationships so well. And I think this is us
was a little bit challenging because the show
was just all about relationships. And so it's
just like, you're watching people like in all
of the, the sort of the ups and downs of life,
but nothing else. That's like the main meat.
I found that a little tough to get through, but
he also wrote pitch, which I am obsessed with,
which is just a one season show. And he's, he's
currently a writer on paradise, which is a Hulu
show that I'm watching right now. And I really
love, cause it's more of like, Not exactly. It's
more like a mystery, kind of very episodic. Sorry,
not very episodic. The opposite of episodic.
Serialized. That's what I meant to say. Serialized
show about a strange thing, which I don't want
to spoil. But it was an interesting show for
him to write because I see him as like a relationship
writer. What I love about the writing in that
series is that it takes kind of the mystery element
and the intrigue and all the plot twists of those
types of shows. But then the dialogue and the
interactions between all the characters have
that really authentic kind of heart and feel
to it that you would get in This Is Us, but it's
not too much because it's not the only thing
that's happening, which I feel is sometimes something
that's missing from some of those shows that
are very concept -driven, that they don't have
that kind of... good character interaction that
really feels like authentic and and hits you
in a way you're like oh man that's a that's a
truth right there right so he's great at that
and i I'm really appreciating his writing on
that show. I just keep talking about it every
time we watch the episodes with my husband, which
I'm currently doing. I'm like, Oh, this guy,
he does this thing. It's so good. He's like,
okay, okay. So, so yeah, I guess that's some
of my, some of my favorite writers. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. And again, it's no disrespect. It's more
of, I need to see the, like, so currently we
just, well, we just wrapped up the fast saga.
series here on studio 2009 actually no we didn't
wrap it up we're interrupting it uh film uh 10
and 11 will be coming up next after this episode
folks but we're in the middle of that but we
just wrapped up season two of colombo the colombo
files where my buddy dave draper and i are going
episode by episode going through colombo and
for me When I do research on the TV shows for
the episodes, I look at the writer, I look and
see what other things they wrote, or I look to
see if I recognize the writer's name or whatever,
and we just go and we just look at it. Columbo
has a specific sort of format. Sometimes they
play with the formula, sometimes they don't.
But I need to actively take note of the writer
when the credit comes up on the screen for me
to... pay attention to that's why my origins
and tv watching episode folks it's probably not
going to be until episode 250 of this podcast
because i got a lot of research i gotta do with
some of these questions uh so and again it's
it's no disrespect to anybody and i think you
know talking about earlier how you're talking
about you know certain people we don't necessarily
like the people what we like the work that they
did Yeah, and I would say that also there's different
eras. Like the era of the TV writer, I think,
really didn't start until the late 90s, early
2000s, when it became about the showrunners and
the creators. Because the people that I mentioned
are mostly, these are showrunner creators. That
doesn't mean that they wrote every episode. That's
the thing. Right. Oh, yeah. They're the architects.
Well, except for Aaron Sorkin, that man, I swear
to God, he was writing Sports Night and West
Wing at the same time. He wrote like, I want
to say like 17 of 21 episodes. He was insane.
He was a bit of a control freak. And Amy Sherman
Palladino, a little bit the same. But for the
most part, I'm not necessarily talking about,
you know, the credit at the end of the episode.
I guess more talking about that, the showrunner
and the style and the guiding of that. I think
when people became super fans of TV, they started
to become super fans of writers. I remember being
a Buffy fan that you'd be fans of the people
that wrote those. And that was a big deal. And
Lost, too. When I was a big fan of Lost, we would
go into the chat rooms and we would talk to the
writers. And that was like our big thing. Right.
Like, you know, oh, that's so -and -so's episode.
That's so -and -so's episode. Right. You know,
especially season one with with the classic episodes.
Like we were really into like who was assigned
what episode and kind of how it played out. So,
yeah, absolutely. And I mean, like like I said,
it's more of you're right. I think it kind of.
I think once the internet kind of took off and
the whole internet TV culture of discussing TV
on the internet versus going to the water cooler
at whatever office job you had or whatever kind
of thing, the conversation changed and it went
online. You could then some, you know, back when
Twitter wasn't, well, it was always a cesspool,
but. back when it wasn't so much of a cesspool
and you could actually reach out to people and,
Hey, I really liked the episode that you wrote
last night or really like this or whatever. Yeah.
But like, for me, like I can remember like it's
more so cartoons than TV shows, but like take
transformers, for example, as, as a cartoon,
Buzz Dixon, David Wise, Michael Charles Hill,
like all of those are separate writers of those
of episodes of that cartoon. David Wise, may
the man rest in peace. He's been gone 15 years
now. Anyway, the point is, is that those are
writers I remember off the top of my head because
it's a cartoon and a franchise that I've been
involved with pretty much my whole life because
I was four years old when that franchise started.
So that's my thing with the TV writer question
here is when I get to getting my episode done
for this. I have to do so much research on the
TV shows that I've loved over my lifetime to
make sure that I can have a list of people I
can talk about. Like, yeah, I could talk about
Joss Whedon and how I like certain episodes that
he wrote of Angel and certain story arcs in Angel
because I'm sorry. Look, folks, anyone who's
listened to my podcast knows that I have the
opinion of opinions are like assholes. Everybody's
got one. There are no hot takes. Opinions are
opinions. Everybody's got one. Angel is better
than Buffy in my personal opinion. I think some
of the episodes of Angel are some of the strongest,
I would say, for sure. I think it's a little
bit. I mean, I kind of have half. I don't get
offended when people say that. I know some people
are like, what are you talking about? Angel has
a special place in my heart as well, and there
were episodes on it that were really brilliant.
I don't know if overall maybe some of the arcs
weren't as strong. It's hard to say. But also,
I think that it's when TV became less episodic
that the showrunner and the creator became more
of a thing. I don't watch The Sopranos, but I
know who David Chase is, right? Yeah, exactly.
You know, I knew Mark Cherry created Desperate
Housewives and it was a whole thing. You know,
I know Matthew Weiner did Mad Men, even though
I wasn't a Mad Men stan. And I think part of
that is because they became bigger figures because
they were guiding these like arcs and these sort
of big serialized worlds. Whereas, you know,
in the episodic 80s and stuff, you really didn't
know that as much. So those names didn't stand
out in the same way. That was part of it as well.
Not that they weren't great writers. I mean,
they were amazing. They did amazing. work, but
it just didn't have the same cultural recognition.
It's like you're saying, the way that TV shifted,
the writing credit sort of changed, whereas you
have, take Knight Rider, for example, another
one of my favorites. You have Glenn A. Larson
who created the show. I think Glenn wrote a couple
of episodes, but most of those you have, again,
similar to Transformers, you have specific writers
writing each episode kind of thing. And then
you get down to, like you're saying, with Angel
and with other shows. Like, take The Shield with
Sean Ryan. Yeah. I love that. Love that series.
There you go. Then you would spend, there you
go. You just got one right there. Sean Ryan.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go. But, uh, but
it's one of those things where I just, I want
to make sure I have enough where I can, you know,
I, I never want to go into any, any one of these
things and answer any of these questions on my
own where it's like, I don't have an answer for
that because I don't know what the hell I'm talking
about. Yeah, except for your honest answer is
kind of that, you know, I have writers I like,
but honestly, that hasn't been the pull for me.
I've never been, you know, like that is your
true TV watching habit is that you don't necessarily
probably watch TV from that perspective as much
as maybe some other people do. And everyone has
their own way of watching television, right?
That's true. There you go. What defines a good
story for you in television? I think it has to
have something to say about the human condition.
I know that that's a little bit cheesy, but I
think if you take plot or mystery or anything
else out of the equation, those are great to
have and you need those. But if you don't have
something to say, that's... whether it's a metaphor
for something or whether it's just an insight
that really hits people, that it's empty. And
I think that's what makes a story really special
is that extra insight, that extra level or layer.
Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's get to the
celebrities. Who are some of your favorite TV
actors and or actresses? This is the question
I had the hardest trouble answering. And I think
maybe that's because like, I don't know, isn't
everybody a TV actress now? Like, I feel like
there isn't the line there once was, you know
what I mean? Where it's like, this guy does television,
this person doesn't. You know, you have movie
stars winning awards for limited series and Kathy
Bates is in Matlock and, you know. But I had
to start somewhere. Yeah. So I think I'm just
going to go with Lauren Graham just because she's
sort of been consistently television and has
been one of my favorite actresses for years.
And if you take the whole run on Gilmore Girls
and the whole run on Parenthood and a couple
of other different series that she's been in,
yeah, I think she would probably be consistently
one of my favorites. I just really like her style.
I like the comedy. I like the... She kind of
does a similar thing, but altered a little bit.
But she has a bit of a brand that I really enjoy,
I guess I would say. Very cool, very cool. Is
there a criminally underrated show that you think
everyone needs to watch? You know, I struggle
with this one too. It's like, is that right now?
Or is it in the past? Like, I'm not sure. There's
so many shows that people don't, that maybe aren't
as... he misses they should be or so i don't
know i mean i think i had to go back in the past
i would maybe think that everyone should watch
everwood it just it's not i don't know that it's
criminally underrated i feel like it's very highly
regarded um but maybe not the most viewed series
of all time so yeah i'll go with that one i'm
gonna say everwood somebody i forget somebody
was trying to tell me is it little things which
one's the one about the the boston series oh
god it's better things no it's something little
things it's about these guys who are in boston
one of them dies in a car crash or something
they're all oh a million a million little things
a million little things that's what it is thank
you he doesn't die in a car crash it's suicide
he commits suicide it's sort of like the remaining
friend group is dealing with that. And like,
yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. I think that lasted
like four seasons. I only watched the first one
when I still had broadcast television. But I
mean, I think I enjoyed that. It was pretty good.
Yeah. I, I, I don't know. I was at a weird place
at the time. And I think, I think it was Karen
that said, Oh, you should watch this. Cause it's
Boston. And it's, it's, it's, it's Boston and
it's this and it's that. And it's whatever. And
I was like, I don't know about that. Because
I kind of got, at the time when I watched the
original season one promos and trailers and stuff
for it, I'm like, this feels very sort of, but
not really, but kind of, this is us. And I don't
know if I can go through that. It is emotional.
It's one of those shows. Yeah. And I figured
it would be. But I don't know. Maybe I'll give
it a shot one of these days. What's the one series
cancellation that just destroyed you? Itch. One
season. I believe it was on Fox. I want to say
Fox. Yeah, I think it was Fox. I don't remember
even what year it was now. It got maybe 2015,
2014. I don't know. It was a while ago. And it
was a Dan Fogelman series as well. I think it
kind of hit the same time as This Is Us. kind
of around and i don't know if you remember the
series but it was about a the first female pitcher
in the first female like major league baseball
player and she was a pitcher okay and um they
did a lot of work to make it very plausible like
everything that they were saying could happen
it wasn't sort of like fantastical or over the
top it was sort of like really grounded. And
the characters were fantastic. The relationships
were fantastic. Mark Paul Gosler was the sexiest
he has ever been with this unbelievable beard.
The beard was so good. It's my favorite all -time
beard. That's a weird question. But if someone
ever, for any reason, and why would they, say
to me, what is your favorite all -time fictional
beard? And not a person who's... trying to help
someone not know that they're gay, but like an
actual beard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be Mark
Wahlberg's beard. Sorry. Oh, where's my brain?
I don't think Mark Wahlberg can grow a beard.
I know. He looks like he can't. Yeah. And he
would look weird with one on his face, too. Like
very weird. But yeah, his character's beard on
that show, Mike Lawson was the character. And
it was he was kind of the star of the team, but
the aging kind of captain guy in his 30s. And
it was so good. It was such a good show. And
I was just heartbroken when they canceled it.
And it was one of those shows where people were
like, please pick it up and like campaigns and
campaigns. But it didn't really work. 2016, 2017.
Okay, so a little later than I thought. I still
think about that show constantly, and that's
one that I rewatch a lot. That's the interesting
thing about canceled shows is that they're easy
to rewatch. It's really hard to be like, you
know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go watch
all 10 seasons of The Office. That just feels
like a lot, and then you're less likely to go
back and watch any of it because it feels like
work. But a show that is short and sweet like
that, you're sad that it's gone. But then you'll
also go back and rewatch those episodes a lot
because it's doable. That's what I find anyway.
Yeah, absolutely. The reason people have watched
Firefly so much, you know. Poor Firefly. Yeah.
Oh, boy. I just, which I need to get this, well,
by the time this episode comes out, it'll be
out. But as of this recording, I just recorded
a... convention attention episode of Geekcast
Radio where my buddies were talking about Emerald
City Comic Con out there in Seattle, Washington
and how the convention had planned to do a Firefly
reunion thing and then everybody kind of canceled
it. I'm like, oh, so it's just like the show.
Yeah, fair. Just crazy. So I missed one folks,
but let's go back and do this. What is your favorite
run or story arc of a TV series? Oh yeah. I was
thinking about this one too. It's interesting.
I don't know that I really attach myself to specific
runs or story arcs that much or that stick out
of my mind. Cause I was trying to think like,
okay, like if I'm watching like Buffy or Gilmore
girls or like, what would some of my favorite
all time story arcs have been on those shows?
I have episodes, but I don't think really story
arcs. I think maybe the closest would be on Crazy
Ex -Girlfriend when Rebecca finally got diagnosed.
There was like a whole, I think it was season
three where she got diagnosed with borderline
personality disorder. And that was the arc of
like, okay, this person's not just quirky and
weird, but they're suffering from something that
has never been diagnosed that has affected their
entire life. And somehow we're going to make
it also funny. and musical, but it's, it was
so true to life. There was like a song called
My Diagnosis that is still just, I just think
is like brilliant. I really liked how they handled
that because they kind of set up the series,
not really knowing how they were going to handle
mental health and what they were, they knew they
were gonna do something with it. And they really,
that was like a really fantastic work there.
Yeah, absolutely. Kind of reminds me of Zoe's
Infinite Playlist or whatever the Zoe's Playlist
show was. Yeah, except that series used existing
songs. Yeah, true. The thing about Crazy Ex -Girlfriend...
Oh my God, I could go on about Crazy Ex -Girlfriend
forever, so I'm not going to. But what was fantastic
about it was that they were writing original
songs every week that were both parodies of genres.
So every song was a parody of a genre, but also
revealed... An original song. yeah original songs
but also the songs had so many layers to them
that it was crazy like you would it would be
okay this is a parody but it's also um revealing
something about the characters and it's also
making a comment on society at the same time
so you'd have a for example you'd have a show
a song called um Dream Ghosts. There was a song
called Dream Ghosts, which took place on a plane
and when the character fell asleep and she was
dreaming about these three kind of like soul
singers, very dream girls, right? And so it was
a parody of that kind of genre, like the sort
of the Supreme style kind of singing with these
three sort of soul singers. So parody of that.
It was also... advancing the plot because the
song was about the things that she was dreaming
about and her like anxieties and everything but
then they threw in stuff like um you know we
don't have dental it's like we're we're just
dream ghosts we don't have a good health care
plan or something like weird like layers that
were also making comments on like all of these
things about society and you're like oh man there's
so much here so much I feel like I just need
to, I feel like I've always wanted, if I had
to do a podcast on one show, it would be that
show. And I would just get in there because it's
just unbelievable. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool.
What is one TV show you can watch over and over
and over again? Sports night over and over and
over again. That is the show that I go to. If
I just need to. pick me up and i i want to binge
a series like it's sports night it is two seasons
uh it did sort of get canceled although it's
also kind of more like aaron sorkin was doing
that and the west wing at the same time and he
and abc kind of like agreed like he couldn't
he didn't move forward with it it was sort of
like he kind of half canceled it himself um and
uh That just is such a funny show, quippy writing,
great characters. And I don't like sports or
sports broadcasting, but I love that show. And
I could and have watched it over and over and
over again. Very cool. Very cool. Is there one
TV show that everyone watches or watch that you
just can't get into? Sopranos. I just, I don't,
I don't want to do it. I don't know why I feel
very stubborn. I, you know, it's funny cause
I feel the same way about the Godfather as a
movie. So I don't know if I just hate, like maybe
I'm just really stubborn about the mafia. I don't
know. But I just, I was like, oh, it feels like
it's like weird, violent show with guy I don't
care about who like, I feel like I'm not going
to like, and I just don't, I don't know. It feels
like a homework I don't want to do. Yeah. Yeah,
The Sopranos. Oh, Tony. It's a good... So I watched...
What was it? Where was it? Maybe it was on...
I forget where it was. They did a... Probably
on Max. They did a documentary recently with
David Chase celebrating... Yeah, it was last
year because last year is the 25th anniversary
of the show. Talking about everything and talking
about the late, great James Gandolfini and how
he portrayed that role and everything else. It
was a very interesting documentary, very interesting
revisiting the show through the documentary.
I haven't gone back and re -watched the show
in a long time. I think the last time I had seen
it was when I had it on DVD. And that was a long
time ago. I haven't had those DVDs in years.
And I like the show for what the show is. It's
not a bad show. I'm sure it's brilliant. It just
feels like homework to me, I think, is what it
is. It's just, I think, whenever I sit down,
I'm like, what do I want to watch? I'm like,
it's like an Academy Award winning movie that
doesn't interest me. That's how it feels like
to me. It's like I just, at least, but those
movies are short. They're like, oh, okay, I'll
sit through Oppenheimer. Well, okay, Oppenheimer's
not short. Oppenheimer's not short, no. It's
short, like, you know, relatively. It's one time
and you're done. This feels like, you know, it's
a brilliant series that as a TV fan, I should
watch. But I'm also like, I don't, I don't know.
I just don't want to. For some reason. I mean,
yeah, I get it. I get it. Are there any TV shows
you regret spending time with? I watched the
first season of Emily in Paris all the way through
with a friend on Zoom during the pandemic. And
when it was over, I felt like I came out of some
sort of weird trance that was induced by like
French accents and fashion. And then I was like,
what the hell did I just waste my time on? It
made me, I've never been more mad about like,
at the time I was kind of just watching it and
being like, sure, this is kind of silly, I guess
I'm wasting time, whatever. But when it was over,
I was like, what the hell? That was the most
pointless, pointless thing. And I hate everybody
in it. And I don't, it was just like, when I
think about future seasons of that show, it just
makes me so mad that they just hate it so much.
I just, I don't know. I felt like I got tricked.
And then I was like, damn you. I obviously should
have stopped watching after the first episode,
but I didn't. Also kind of Sex and the City,
even though I watched all of it because I feel
like I had to. And it was okay at the time. But
in retrospect, I'm just like, I don't like these
people. And they never really spoke for me in
the way that I think spoke for a lot of women.
I just wasn't as into it. And then sometimes,
even though I don't really regret spending time
on it until the end, I kind of regret it because
it made me so mad. game of thrones because it
you know like i as i watched it i enjoyed it
but now that i've seen how it ended it kind of
makes me want to go back and be like no i'm erasing
that from my brain because it's so disappointing
so i've said this before and i'll say it again
back in 2018 2019 hbo was doing uh we had we
still had cable back then when karen and i were
living out in gurney illinois and It's like,
oh, HBO, free weekend, you can actually watch
all of Game of Thrones up to the current season.
I was like, oh, okay, finally, I can actually
give the show a try. I was literally going to
give it an honest try. I wanted to see what everybody
was all up in arms about. Now, I went in open
-minded. I turned everything, I turned my phone
off, I turned... Everything, the only tab I had
open in my browser was whatever Xfinity tab I
needed to have open to get the HBO thing through
Xfinity, through Comcast. And I was like, okay,
Game of Thrones, season one, episode one, play.
For the first 12 and a half to 15 minutes, all
is they did was walk. I was bored out of my mind.
Yeah, I don't know. I really liked that first
season. It was a character show. They didn't
talk. They didn't do anything. They didn't even
brush somebody just got hit in the face. They
did nothing. That's a little bit of an exaggeration,
but yes, I see your point. It was very slow moving
as a series, for sure. Okay, I'm not expecting
1980s MacGyver Magnum. I know. It's a fantasy
show. I know fantasy takes time. I understand
that. They want to, I don't want to say pad out
the plot, but they want to ease you into it.
I'm sorry, 12 and a half minutes of walking and
not even talking to each other? I gotta look
back. I gotta look back too. There's definitely
not 12 minutes of no talking. it just felt that
way to me, but all they did was walk. And I'm
like, what, how did people get past this first
12 and a half minutes to get through the other
six seasons of supposed awesomeness. And then
after I stopped it, I immediately, I went onto
YouTube and I just went onto YouTube just to
get my YouTube subscriptions page up. And all
of a sudden here comes Sesame street. Would you
like to play a game of chairs? Yeah. The Sesame
Street game of chairs skit is better than the
12 and a half minutes of nothing that I previously
watched. Notice I said the 12 and a half minutes
of nothing that I watched, not. the entirety
of the series. I'm only judging. I'm sure that's
true. I want people to understand what I'm saying
as you're hearing my voice, people. I'm only
judging the 12 and a half minutes that I watched.
Not judging the rest of the series. And I'm not
going to go back and try to re -watch it. Just
how I'm not going to try to convince you to watch
Sopranos. Hey, if it's not your thing, it's not
your thing. That's fine. Especially now knowing
how it ends. What's the point? Everyone hates
the ending so much. I don't know anybody who
doesn't hate that ending. Not just the ending.
The entire last season was just a give up. It
was like, we're done with this. Let's just wrap
it up. Yeah, the last season was a little much.
Whereas the last season of Angel was awesome.
I love season five of Angel. Yeah. It was pretty
good. Personally, I kind of want to slay the
dragon. not fade away oh man i'm sorry though
that 100th episode you bastards oh yeah that
was hard yeah very hard do you have a physical
or digital media collection of tv shows if so
how large is it I still have my TV shows on DVD.
I last year went through and I got rid of most
of the cases except for the special ones. And
I put them all in like a booklet because it was
just taking up too much literal physical space.
But I don't want to get rid of anything just
in case. Well, who knows? I mean, sometimes things
come and go from streaming and not it hasn't
happened very often. But I'd like to know that
I could put in a DVD of something that I like.
I don't know how big it is. It's pretty big.
I would say, I don't know, maybe. 50 to 100 seasons
or something i used to have 360 something but
that was with my ex it was a combined collection
and when we split he got half of it or not just
half we kind of went through and decided who
bought this who likes this more he was you know
so he ended up with things i ended up with things
yeah and uh my husband has some but not very
many uh in turn he's a lot more movies than anything
else very cool very cool yeah My digital collection
is a lot larger than my physical collection.
Although lately I've been getting back into physical
media over the last three or four years because
have you people seen what they're doing to digital
media lately? Like, yikes. Yeah, I don't really
buy things digitally. I stream them. And then
unless it's something that I can't find anywhere
that I really want to watch. And I won't in that
case, I probably I probably wouldn't buy a physical
copy anymore unless it's like a collector's item.
But I will I will like I think I bought the whole
season of Heart of Dixie at some point because
I really wanted to rewatch it, but it wasn't
streaming anywhere at that point. And so I was
like, I'll just spend the money and watch it.
But I don't really collect them in that way.
And digitally, if I if I really want to buy it,
I would probably just get a physical copy of
it. Well, yeah, but I'm really starting to, even
though I still have all those streaming services
that I have, but if things aren't on those streaming
services and the only way that I have to get
them is physical media, you can bet your bottom
bippy I'm going to go out and buy the... Again,
folks, we're pre -recording this. You're going
to hear this at a later date, but as of this
recording, Warner Brothers and their infinite
dumbassery... removed all of the classic Looney
Tunes from Max? Like, really? Seriously? God,
now I gotta go out and get all the classic Looney
Tunes on physical media? Yeah, the strategy has
changed for what they show. You would think that
they would just have everything. I don't really
know what informs it, to be honest. I don't know
the metrics, so it's kind of confusing to me
because I would think just as a casual observer
without the financials in front of me. I would
think that just putting everything you own on
a platform, and at least if one person watches
it, but I think it has to do with, even though
they own it, they have to, in order to have it
streaming, I believe they have to pay certain
people, creators or whatnot, to have it up there.
And then I think that's what it comes down to.
As far as I can tell, stuff that people don't
watch very often, or that becomes expensive for
them. They just they disappear it, which is sad
because it to me, that is a sad thing. Like their
recent series that they made that they've just
decided, oh, it's not worth to even have this
on the platform. And one of the things I used
to love about streaming was finding these gems
that like. you didn't watch at the time like
i just watched the first season of commander
in chief with gina davis on disney plus and that's
something that like i just didn't watch at the
time and i was really into gina davis for a minute
there because i was listening to her autobiography
and i've always liked her but i was like you
know i don't want to go back and watch that and
i did but i think stuff like that's not going
to be as available anymore because i feel like
for whatever reason they've decided it's not
financially worth it for them unless it's really
getting a lot of traction so i don't know i know
it's all about the numbers it's all about the
money and I know Zaslav wants all the money.
I get that. But here's the thing. If you repurpose
the, specifically to the Looney Tunes, if you
repurpose that and you, like, the original Golden
Collection DVD sets from years ago, those are
obviously out of print. Those are astronomically
priced on eBay now. You can get them if you have
the money to spend for DVDs from 2009, 2010,
whatever. And that's great if you still have
those if you bought them when they were originally
on sale. But if you're not going to have the
catalog of essentially a Warner Brothers staple.
I mean, this is the Looney Tunes we're talking
about here. I don't think many people watch or
don't watch the dang things. Have them there
just because to preserve or release a new set
every five years. Release a new complete series
set every five, Blu -ray, 4K, whatever you want
to call it, 8K, 10K, 40K, whatever it is in 50,
70 years from now. Just keep releasing it to
keep it going, to let people know, hey, this
is what happened in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, and
50s, you know, back in the 19th century, kind
of 20th century, whatever. You know what I mean?
Like, I just can't believe. And that was one
of the biggest things. That was one of the reasons
why I originally subscribed to, at the time it
was called HBO Max. It's now just Max. But, like,
that was one of the things was, like, you can
watch all of the classic Looney Tunes anytime
you want. As long as you play, as long as you
pay for the ad free tier, I'm like, Oh, cool.
I'm like, I can watch cartoons. I haven't seen
in 40 years. Yay. Awesome. Unfortunately, I just
don't think they care. And I think that's the
way that's very true, which sucks. They should
care because again, that like, yeah, that's probably
not going to net them a lot of money, but like,
again, you see, that's the problem with streaming
services is the problem with any subscription
service, honestly. They're more trying to get
the new subscriber than they are trying to keep
the continuing. We need to have rewards for continuing
subscribers as well as like, it's like, oh, I
think lately I've been seeing, here's a free
promotion for Audible, $6 .95 for the first three
months. I'm like, okay, cool. I haven't had an
Audible subscription for... Couple of years now.
Sure. I'll sign up for six 95 and get three months
for the, for that price. That's fine. Great.
I'll probably cancel after the, after that three
months, but whatever. But like the point is,
how about giving us those of us who have had
Netflix for 20 years or those of us who have
had Hulu for 20 years or whatever it is, you
know what I mean? Like give the people that are
continuously paying your constantly raising member
fees. Give us the rewards. How about that? Yeah,
they don't do it. That's for anything. No, I
know. Unfortunately. Dumbasses. All right. So
was there ever a moment where you were like,
that's it. Turn it off. I'm done with TV altogether.
They didn't last very long. I think maybe a few.
Actually, maybe the 100th episode of Angel was
one of those moments because I was so mad about
that. I was so mad that they brought. Cordelia
back just for her to die. That made me very angry.
But it was emotionally impactful and it worked
once I stepped away from it. So I don't know.
The other one, you know, yeah, the season finale,
the series finale of Game of Thrones made me
so angry that I was very jaded about that because
it just was so pointless and it made me angry
to the point where I don't know if I considered
quitting TV, but I was very... Bitter and jaded.
And then the other one might be the season finale
of Lost, which I don't hate. And I do think that
upon rewatch and some time and a step back that
it is successful and it does what it needs to
do. But I think it was such an emotional journey
for me, that whole series, that when it was airing,
I couldn't even really finish it. I was just
too... like I was too upset by not even necessarily
what was happening. It was just, it just felt
like too much in the moment. And I had to like,
I literally had to take a couple of days and
then I wrote a blog about it at the time because
it took that long to settle and to really be
like, okay, how do I feel about this? This is
a conclusion to a series that has been like in
my life for a certain amount of time. And it
was very, like, I was very, it was sort of the
first fandom that I was living in real time with
people. week to week. And yeah, that was a heavy
one that I feel like kind of made me feel like
in that moment that I'm like giving up and then,
but I, you know, I always come back around. Yeah,
absolutely. All right. What are you watching
right now? And what do you think our listeners
should check out? Well, as I said, not as much
as I would like to be. I think everyone should
be watching RuPaul's Drag Race, which I am watching.
It's one of the things I consistently watch.
And that means, you know, whatever iteration
of that, because there's a lot of them. There's
Drag Race All -Stars. There's Drag Race. Countries
versus the world. There's Drag Race UK. There's
Drag Race Down Under. There's a lot. And I watch
them all because it's something my husband and
I do together that's easy and fun and interactive.
And I think everyone should watch them because
they're great. In terms of scripted stuff that
I'm currently watching, I do try to take a bite
out of a lot of limited series because it feels
like I can because they're limited. And you're
not like, oh, God. So Disclaimer is one that
I watched recently that I really loved on Apple
TV Plus. That was really good. I am watching
Shrinking and Abbott Elementary. I think those
are my two favorite comedies these days. And
then I'm fully working my way through For All
Mankind. I think I have one season left and there
is another season coming. That's another Apple
TV Plus series about fictional. what if the space
race looked different and what if our relationship
to space travel was more expansive and whatnot
and alternate history kind of series. I love
that show. I just think it's so good. So that's
something that I think everybody should watch.
Oh, and Paradise. I think I mentioned that as
well when I was talking about writing, but we're
watching that as well. And that's really good.
Really good. Very cool. Very cool. What is your
favorite TV show genre? Do you have different
types of shows for different situations, vegging
out, date night, family night, group watching,
that kind of stuff? Well, I mentioned that RuPaul
is the, I don't want to say date night, but it's
sort of like the together time show. That's RuPaul's
Drag Race. And I think overall, my favorite types
of shows are, I want to say dramedies. But what
I really mean by that is just so maybe maybe
shows that are either comedy or drama, but that
have a lot of elements of both. So like a strict
straight up comedy that's a sitcom isn't as appealing
to me as one that has a lot of gravitas to it
like Scrubs did or Ted Lasso and a straight up
drama. can be appealing but i i often like it
if it's a little bit more there's a little bit
more to it like if there's stylistic kind of
comedy writing like the west wing or or something
like that those are kind of my all -time favorite
like some of my favorite shows aren't that but
the ones that like the if i had to think of an
genre i think that would be a melding of those
two things is usually my favorite thing yeah
very cool very cool do you have a my parents
wouldn't let me watch that tv show story Yeah,
well, they had to approve kind of everything
that I watched up to a certain point. And so,
you know, like I said, we did the family nights
where we watched certain things together and
there were the sitcoms that they would let us
watch. And when I started to want to watch things
on my own, like not something that they just
stumbled across or that they put on in syndication,
they would have to generally clear it. So I remember
when I wanted to watch 90210 because people were
talking about it at school. I think I must have
been in, I don't know, maybe. I was like 13 or
something at the time. My mom sat down and watched
one episode with me and it was the episode where
Brenda gets someone robs the peach pit while
Brenda's working there. And she determined I
was allowed to watch that. But one show that
she never let me watch that people were watching
was Married with Children. She was like, no,
you're not watching that. It's stupid. And I
was mad about it at the time because I just felt
like other people were watching it. But looking
back, I'm like, yeah, no, that's the dumbest
show ever. Why did I want to watch that? I'm
glad she didn't let me watch it because it's
so, it's so sexist. It's so horrible. It's the
antithesis of everything I stand for. And I am
really glad to be fair. I did watch some of it
in syndication later and I would catch bits of
it at friends' houses, but my mom never wanted
me to watch it. And I'm now just like, yeah,
good going mom. Cause that was a terrible show.
It had its moments. You're absolutely correct.
I know people like it, but I hate it. I'm not
defending it. I, what I'm saying is that I think
that it's better in Instagram reels than it is
in watching full episodes. Cause lately I've
been, I, I Instagram real doom scroll sometimes
and certain clips will come up. Al was savage
for this, or we can't believe Peggy said this
kind of thing. And it's, you know, one of the,
not necessarily most famous, whatever out of
the show, but it's like, Anytime he goes after
Marcy. Or anytime he says something about Peg.
Or anytime Peg goes after. Says something about
him. Or whatever. It is what it is. Funny writing.
Yeah. It reminds me of Family Guy. In the sense
that. I don't know whether they're trying to
be ironic. Or they're trying to be subversive.
But at the end of the day. When you're watching
it. It really just comes across like a sexist.
club who hates his wife uh the women are shrews
or you know like ridiculous like i mean ridiculous
and or slutty or it just everybody is a it's
it's just a very kind of gender normative like
sexist crap fest and again i have had people
argue many times that it's trying to be subversive
and i know family guy is trying to be subversive
but i don't care because at the come across that
way to me it just comes across like oh i get
it ha ha you know like i don't yeah yeah bugs
me i think where and i i'm not a family guy fan
at all i don't dislike it but i've never watched
the show all the way through but i've seen plenty
of clips and i think where family guy for me
like where i enjoy it is like the the parodies
that they do like i again i keep seeing some
of these um some of these Instagram clips where
there's a clip where Seth is on the, on the Graham
Norton show. And I guess Tom Cruise is there
too. And, and Graham asks him, didn't you do
taken? Didn't you do? He go, Oh yeah, yeah. But
we did taken as Kermit the frog. So Seth goes
into Kermit the frog and he starts doing the
taken speech to Tom Cruise and Todd. So it's
that kind of stuff, but I'd never, I don't know.
yeah i don't know i grew up as a kid watching
my again my mom is one of those moms where she
knew i knew because she taught me the right way
of tv is fantasy tv is fiction tv isn't real
it's perfectly fine if you watch this idiot white
guy with his hand down his pants and the fact
that he's a shoe salesman which is nothing wrong
with that job but you know whatever so it is
what it is but Yeah, I was never going to aspire
to be act how Al acts. Oh, no, for sure. It's
just that stuff kind of... Yeah, absolutely.
All right, folks, we are going to be entering
the TV fantasy fun land. All of these answers
are made up and the points don't matter. Yes,
I stole that. But this is fictional. Anything
that's said here stays here, even though it's
on a podcast. So it doesn't really matter at
the end of the day. But if you could own any
house or pad in a TV show, whose house would
it be? I was thinking about this, and I don't
know. I've never really been attached to that,
but I feel like I watched the two seasons of
Loot recently, and she's a billionaire, and she
does have a really cool house. So I'm going to
go with that because it looks like she's got
a lot of stuff, and it looks fun. Very cool article.
Whose wardrobe would you want to steal? maybe
Zoe in heart of Dixie. Uh, yeah, that's kind
of my vibe. I take, I steal her stuff. Yeah.
I mean, it's like, again, it's like, I know I'm
not into like the super crazy stuff, like the
Emily in Paris stuff or the, the sex in the city
stuff. Like I just, a lot of crazy over the top
stuff. Yeah. If you could live in any TV verse,
which one would you live in? I am going to go
with crazy ex -girlfriend because I want to,
sing about my inner trauma and my inner feelings
constantly. That would be amazing. I would love
to just have like songs constantly about depression
and, and the, you know, mental health and, and
like the traumas of childhood. I just think that's,
I think it'd be great. I would love it. That's
I want to do that every day. Oh, very cool. Who
would be your top three TV characters? You'd
want to join you in a friend squad. For sure,
Lorelei Gilmore, because I want to hang out with
her all the time. And then Paula from Crazy Ex
-Girlfriend, because she is a crazy, loyal, diehard
friend who will do anything for you. Crazy, illegal,
all kinds of stuff. And then Veronica Mars, just
because I feel like she could solve all your
problems. If you were like, oh, can you fix this?
She would do some research and create a plan.
She's cool and quippy. Absolutely. reminder folks
this is the tv fantasy fun land the answers are
made up and they don't matter so you ain't married
if you could date any tv character who would
it be it would probably be luke daines i think
i think he's just really the ultimate good guy
who's actually a good guy you know i mean all
the the the characters that i'm attracted to
on tv the ones that are in my ships the ones
that are most of the time are like oh are people
you would never want to be in relationship with
in your life. Like I, I mean, I am I'm a huge
Sawyer stand from loss, but like, you don't want
to date that guy. What? Not really. You know,
he's got a whole bunch of stuff that he like,
you know, the sexy bad boys with the heart of
gold, they're meant for television, and they
serve a place and they're amazing. And it doesn't
make them bad. They always end up being good
people. But They would not make very good boyfriends.
That's for sure. So yeah, Luke Danes from the
Gilmore girls is kind of like, he is a, he's
a funny guy. Yeah. He wouldn't let me use my
cell phone, but he would like make me hamburgers
and stuff. So, you know, it'd be cool. Yeah.
I'm into that. I'm surprised she didn't go really
old school folks. Brandon or Dylan? God, no.
Neither of those weirdos. I never really understood
that at all. Ew. No. I mean, especially not Dylan.
I guess, well, see, now Dylan, like, now. But,
like, at the time, I was like, this man is 30
years old. I can see that. We can all see that.
Like, what is happening? You know, it wasn't
really... Yeah. For sure. And any of those shows,
those people are always terrible boyfriends because
shows that are about relationships, generally,
they're just cheating on you constantly and hooking
up with new people. And like, it's just it's
yeah, it's a lot. Very true. The only other two
I would think of is it would be a very weird
choice. Charlie or Bailey. Matthew Fox or Matthew
Fox. Who are those people? Wolf. Scott Wolf.
Yeah, I don't know. I was not, I watched party
of five. I was not into either of them or really,
I was one of those shows that I think, because
again, it was, we had cable and it was connected
to other shows that I watched that I watched,
but I was never really like super into it. I
don't think. All right. Well, final choice. Angel
or spike. Absolutely. Angel. I don't understand
people's look. Spike is funny. He is. That character
arc has always bothered me because it goes against
everything that makes sense in the universe.
It doesn't. I don't like it. I don't understand
it. I think to me, Ultimate Spike is season four
Buffy Spike, where he wants to be mean, but he
can't because he isn't able to. So he's just
kind of neutered, but he's around kind of helping
out kind of against his will. But he's so funny
and such a kind of a jerk. that to me is ultimate
spike where he's just kind of like, you know,
an ass hat. Yeah. That is forced to help them
out. Yeah. I enjoy that. I don't, I don't understand
this Mooney, this Mooney spike. I don't love
it. I do love like villain, villain spike from
season two and three, but I don't like Mooney
spike. I don't like spike with a soul. And I
don't think the soul thing makes sense because
I don't like how he's not evil without a soul.
That's stupid. And jealous is, Angelus is either
Angelus or he's Angel. He's either evil or he's
not evil. Where is this in between thing? Yeah,
exactly. It goes against the entire concept,
the entire vampire lore that they have set up.
And they only did it because Spike was popular.
And I don't like that. That bugs me. That's my
little Spike rant. But no, I don't think he's
that attractive. And like the actor's fine and
he's cool. But like, no, definitely Angel. Yeah.
Although neither of them really. I mean, if I
had to pick anyone from the Buffyverse to date.
That's a good question. It's actually a very
good question. Yeah, Oz is a pretty good boyfriend.
That's fair, but I think it would be gone before
they ruined him. Wait, when do you think they
ruined him? Season 5. Lawyer? Really? Not because
he was a lawyer. Okay, so it was the end of season
4, beginning of season 5. Not because he was
a lawyer, but they turned him into... something
different like there was that whole i really
like i am this is unpopular opinion folks but
i love red and gun i thought that was a fantastic
pairing that was unusual wesley was the obvious
choice and i loved how they made she chose gun
instead yeah because it was this different pairing
and they were really sweet together but then
they just tanked that relationship without any
really a lot of thought it kind of they just
i don't know i think it was like once joss whedon
got back involved with the show a lot more he
wanted wesley and fred to be endgame that's my
guess yeah and and i understand that they did
make it sweet in the end but i always felt like
they did a disservice to that fred and gun connection
they just kind of that thing with his professor
where she could never trust him again because,
or because of what he did. And he did that for
her. It was stupid. I didn't like it. Made me
mad. Now we're just getting out all of my anger
about different things in the Buffy verse. Let's
just end this episode on that. But yeah, I, I
really, so yeah, I really liked like gun season
two, three, kind of four pre the end of the Fred
relationship gone. I thought, you know, it's
fine. I just, I didn't like certain things. They,
they kind of made him like more morally. schmucky
and a little bit like i liked him as a lawyer
that was a cool idea i just didn't like how it
just made wesley this like paragon of like virtue
which was weird and i i didn't like it yeah yeah
i think i would choose gun yeah very weird very
very weird yeah yeah spike the best i think the
Best lines Spike ever had after... Like, for
me... And yeah, folks, I know we've gone into
Buffy, Angel, Fine, whatever. Honestly, it's
getting my brain cells working on things here.
You don't want to know. Not yet, anyway. But
honestly, I stopped watching Buffy... Was it
the end of Season 3 when they graduated high
school? Yeah. Yeah, that's when I stopped. I
never went back. Really? I never went back. I
switched over to Angel. I saw certain episodes
here and there, but I never watched it to follow
along with the story. I eventually, I did see
the series finale because you have to kind of
watch that to see the end of it. But for me,
the best lines that Spike ever said after his
season two, season three stuff in Buffy. was
when I got to season five of Angel. Oh, hey,
boss, put another car in the drink. Spike, get
out of here. You're, you're, you're, you're,
don't say it, Spike. You're a bloody puppet.
Yeah, oh my God. Fucking love smile time. Smile
Time is one of the best episodes of television
ever. And that's how I feel about some of the
stuff they did on Angel. And Angel season five
in general, I love the concept of. But there
were things I didn't like. I didn't like the
inclusion of Spike. That didn't mean that he
didn't have episodes that he was good in. I felt
that was simply a weird fan service. Like, oh,
this was a really popular character. He still
wants to do this character. Buffy is over. Let's
bring him on to Angel. I thought that was cheap.
And I also thought it undercut Angel. I felt
like Angel, that is his show. And I felt like
it was sort of this weird. weird thing. Like
I didn't like it and I didn't like what they
did with guns character, but there were lots
of fantastic moments in season five. And I think
overall it, it was a really powerful. Yeah. Folks.
I don't know if she's going to be up for it,
but I think I just talked myself into spending
the next two hours creating a Buffy and angel
list. Oh God. Maybe another time. I would love
that. Well, no, I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying
me, not you. I'm saying literally taking the
next two hours, making a list and figuring out
whether we're doing it by season or by episode
or whatever. And just it's one of the things
I made my husband do when I met him because he
had never seen any of it is we slowly watched,
I think, from from 2014 when we started dating
until I think we finished. uh, just before we
had our first son, 2019, we did all of Buffy
and angel kind of, we would do like a season
at a time, take a break, go back. Um, because
I just, I don't know. I feel like maybe that's
like a requirement for, for dating me is you
can't be in a relationship with me and have like
never seen this. At least you don't have to like,
he liked parts of it. He just, you know, he's
not a huge fan. He enjoyed parts of it more than
others. Um, But he has to at least have that
in his vocabulary or it's like he's not speaking
the same language as me. So the other thing I
thought of is even though it's technically not
canon, if we do go down this road, folks, we
have to start with the movie first. It's a movie
in and of itself that is amusing, right? It's
different. I don't hate it. No, I don't hate
it either. Anyway. All right. We are now exiting
the TV fantasy fun land. Is there any storyline
or subject or something you're dying to see more
of on television? I don't know. I don't think
so. I mean, I like where television is going,
I think, for the most part, which seems to be
the opposite of where humanity is going, which
is more diverse characters, characters of all
different. genres, a ton more television that
features lead characters of different races and
different abilities, more juicy roles for women,
more roles for women of certain ages. I will
say I like this evolution, and that's happened
mostly through streaming, of shorter seasons
and limited series. I think that that... has
given television more teeth and more interesting
content for sure. More of that. Yeah, I don't
know. There's nothing that I'm like, I have never
seen this on TV. I think also there's so much
on television that there's probably a ton that
I hate that I just don't watch. And then there's
a ton that I love that I do and a ton I haven't
discovered yet. So I feel like there's just a
lot and I don't know that there's anything that
I'm missing. Like I can't think of like, I've
never seen a show about this or yeah. Yeah. The
discoverability is, is enormous, especially with
the internet, especially with. All of the streaming
services, whether it's a new TV show to you,
whether it's a new TV show specifically to like
2025, 2024, whatever, or whether it's an old
TV show that, again, whether it's new to you,
even though it's an old show, or if it's an old
show you're going back to, you can still, like
I said, my buddy Dave and I are going through
all of Columbo, all 10 seasons. And after that,
we've got other ideas that we're going to be
doing. I think we've even mentioned it on the
podcast. He's a big fan of Homicide Life on the
Street. We're going to be doing that. That's
a show I should watch at some point. Yeah. I'm
going to be doing, we're also going to be doing
Diagnosis Murder because I was a huge fan of
that. Oh, my God. That's like my grandmother.
Yeah, I remember watching Diagnosis. Yeah, anything
with like. Diagnosis murder. And what was the
other one? It was, it was Matt lock. Yeah. Matt
lock. Oh God. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. You got the
lawyer and the doctor rolled up into one. And
the people from that she was in love with from
her generation. She was just like all about that.
Yep. Yep. Yep. I like the lawyer better than
I like the sheriff. I'll tell you that folks.
Old Andy's better than young Andy. Yeah. There
you go. There's a hot take folks. What was the
other one that she used to be? Oh, Rockford files.
That was the Rockford files too. Jim Rockford.
Yep. Yep. Yep. What is the one piece of advice
you would give the TV watching fandom in general?
I mean, I don't know because it's so large and
diverse. Like it's hard to say, you know, like
what watch TV. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe, maybe
it's just, maybe it's just, and, and take recommendations
from friends. I think that's always, I think
sometimes, you know, especially now when a lot
of things, they are discoverable, but there's
also an overwhelming amount of content. Yeah.
Like take chances on shows that are. quirky or
small that someone who you think who you trust,
do you think might have the same taste as you
recommends to you? You know, that's how people
watch Ted Lasso, right? It's not they watch Ted
Lasso, not because everyone was like, let's go
watch Ted Lasso. They watch Ted Lasso, because
someone watched Ted Lasso and then went, this
show is a cupcake and a teddy bear, all in one.
And I've never felt so happy watch the show.
And then people were like, okay, yeah. And then
the next person was like, why do I why do I want
to hug this show? It's just something special.
It's a special experience, right? Like that's
how shows like that get watched. So just continue
to watch those shows and then tell people about
them. Yeah. I would also say on any of your streaming
apps, folks, if you're looking for stuff, if
you don't know what you're looking for, use the
genre tabs. Really? Yeah. Okay. Use the genre.
Go to the action tab, go to the comedy tab, go
to the drama tab, go to whatever tab you want
to go to and just cycle through those and discover
them that way. Honestly, sometimes Instagram
is the best way to discover certain things. If
I wasn't already kind of sort of paying attention
to some stuff that Tim Allen does in his career,
I think it was Instagram is how I found... Hell's
name of the damn show. The new show. Oh, God.
I just had it. Is it Shifting Gears? Yeah. Shifting
Gears is Tim Allen's new comedy. I had no idea
Tim Allen was still doing things because our
algorithm is different. Yeah. Just started it.
Plays this. It's him and Kat Dennings. Great.
It's just started. It's first season's got 10
episodes. I think they're up to episode four
or five. I could be wrong. I think it's on Hulu.
It should be. I don't know if it's on Hulu in
Canada, but it's on. We don't have Hulu really.
We have. Okay. Well, you have Hulu somehow, some
way we're not going to talk about how you have.
No, I actually, I don't, I don't. I mean, like
we don't, I don't know. Cause most of the stuff
that would be on Hulu would be on Disney plus
here. Yeah. I'm sure that's, yeah, that's probably,
it's not quite the same, but yeah, I don't think
it's the one, you know, and that, or some of
it might be on crave. I don't know. Yeah, it
might be. I can usually find most things that
I want to watch. Yeah, absolutely. It is. It
is. There are a couple of things that I will
search for. Like I did, I did. I got a subscription
to city TV for like a week at a time just so
I could watch found, which I haven't watched
second season of yet. which also has Mark Paul
Gosler also in a beard. So there's a thread.
The truth is if you're going to have a show and
it's got Mark Paul Glosser and it's, and he's
got a beard, I will watch it. That's it. So that's
like, that's the thing you can put in a show.
If you're like, how do I get this person to watch
the show? Just give Mark Paul Gosler a beard
and I'm in. Yeah. So the only way you're going
to get her to watch saved by the bell folks is
if you draw. a beard on her television every
time i've seen save by the bell but yeah yeah
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Toretto's brother. So there's that. For now,
I am TF2 and Mike with... Jennifer Kaufman. You'll
hear us back in the studio soon. Hello, folks.
TFG1 Mike here from the Geekcast Radio Network.
Well, there you go, folks. The debut of Origins
in television watching, Origins in TV watching
with Jennifer Kaufman. Oh, boy. Well, that's
the launch, folks. Origins in TV watching is
here. Inside Studio 2009, only on the Geekcast
Radio Network. I am coming to you live, sort
of, kind of, not really, but it kind of is live
because I need to tell you that everything I
just said in that outro about what's coming up
on the podcast has completely changed because
we recorded this episode months ago. We recorded
this at the beginning of 2025. And it is now
practically the end of 2025. So yeah, we are
still doing Fast and Furious 6. That will be
the next episode. After that, Steve Megatron
and I recorded an episode for Idiocracy in November.
Since November is kind of practically almost
here. We are going to be doing a discussion.
Steve and I are going to be doing a discussion
on the new Eddie Murphy documentary that's coming
out on Netflix called Being Eddie. After that,
Steve and I have to do something else for 154
for the podcast. And then in December, you're
going to get 12 Months of Star Wars, A Disturbance
in the Force, and then the Andor Season 2 discussions
that David Draper and I did earlier this year.
2025 has been rough, folks. It really has. It's
been lots and lots and lots and lots of setbacks
for me. So I didn't get to do everything I wanted
to do this year with the podcast. There were
so many 25th and so many 30th and 35th and 40th
anniversaries that I wanted to get to do. And
I don't know if I'm going to get to do them before
the end of the year. I'm going to try my best
to get to these, but I just don't know. I honestly
just don't freaking know. I also wanted to launch
the new series that I've pre -recorded, that
I have plans for, that I'm not announcing just
yet. But we've got a lot of pre -recorded content
that has already been recorded, that's been recorded
for months. And I can't just release it because
I have it set at a certain episode number. And
I'm an anal retentive podcaster. I've been an
anal retentive podcaster for almost 17 years,
coming up December 12th of this year. And yeah,
the podcast numbers are going to be going into
the episode descriptions. I'm not going to have
them in the title anymore because Steve says
it doesn't work with SEO anymore. And that's
fine, but... Folks, I'm sorry. I'm doing the
best I can. I've always been transparent with
you guys, and everything is coming. Everything
that we've already done, everything that we've
already prerecorded, it will happen. It's just
taking longer than I wanted it to. And the only
reason why it's taking longer than I wanted it
to... is because I had to have ulnar nerve and
carpal tunnel surgery on my left arm. And my
left arm is the only good arm I can use in life.
For those that don't know, for if this is your
first podcast episode ever, I was born with cerebral
palsy on my right side. I have no actual use
out of my right hand. None whatsoever. My right
arm is essentially a crook. By that I mean I
can put... A cup in it. I can put a can of soda
in it. I can put a box of Kleenex. A thing of
paper towels. I can hold stuff with my arm. But
I have no actual dexterity or function out of
my hand. So when my left hand got injured earlier
this year. When I hit my elbow against a wall
or something by accident. And it screwed up my
ulnar nerve. everything went to hell. And I had
to have surgery on it, which basically put back
and pushed back everything here for Studio 2009.
That's the only reason why I'm saying any of
this stuff, folks. But you all know that I'm
very honest, and I do reveal some of my personal
life stuff to the audience. But yes, this was
Origins in Television with Jennifer Kaufman,
episode 150. As I've mentioned before, Steve
Megatron and I launched Studio 2009, I believe
it was June 20th, 2020. 6 -2020. So, yeah, in
six years, we've reached 150 episodes. Very,
very awesome. I have plenty of plans to get us
way more episodes down the line. And if the plans
that I have now, if I have to delete the whole
thing of it being a 20th or a 40th anniversary,
I'm still going to cover those films, but I'm
still going to try like hell to get as many episodes
out as I can between now and December 31st. Studio
2009, I've gone a little crazy with, as you can
tell, folks. There have been some times where
Studio 2009 has been daily. That has been my
dream since day one when I started the TFG1 podcast
back in December of 2008, was to have a daily
podcast. Granted, it wasn't recorded daily. It
wasn't edited daily. Granted, it wasn't recorded
daily. It wasn't edited daily or anything like
that. But once I got all the production done,
I could then release it daily. And we've done
that with Columbo. The two seasons of Columbo
that Dave Draper and I have recorded so far.
We do have the third season recorded and ready
to go. I just have to edit it and all that. But
I hope you all enjoyed the new entrant into the
GCRN origins. The origins in television. 30 questions
about your TV watching habits. I have plenty
of guests coming up for the origins in television
series. So there's that, folks. Thank you again
to everyone who has listened. You all mean the
world to me, so thank you so much. And, yeah,
tune in next time for The Fast Saga. This is
part, what part is this? This is part five. This
will be Fast and Furious 6 from 2013. Coming
up next, here inside Studio 2009, only on the
Geekcast Radio Network. Talk to you later, folks.
Oh yeah, and unleash the geek in you.