WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.240 Welcome back to Ripe Avocados. I'm Ben. This 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.960 is Sean. Today we are back with, you guessed 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.720 it, another horror movie. Some are calling this 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.339 like the movie of the year, the movie of the 00:00:12.339 --> 00:00:19.539 decade, some might say. I might say. It's Obsession, 00:00:19.699 --> 00:00:24.739 directed by Curry Baker, right? That was off 00:00:24.739 --> 00:00:28.239 the dome. Before we jump into it, just be sure 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:30.039 to subscribe to our channel if you have not. 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.920 That'll be posted right here below. And if you're 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.719 looking for non -spoilers, just skip to the score 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.939 section of this video because everything else 00:00:37.939 --> 00:00:40.820 is fair game and this is your warning. So without 00:00:40.820 --> 00:00:54.200 further ado, let's cue the music. for a couple 00:00:54.200 --> 00:01:02.340 of hours on a beautiful day. So the new horror 00:01:02.340 --> 00:01:04.540 movie, the hottest thing on the block right now, 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:09.540 Obsession, it's basically a movie about the typical 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:12.879 girlfriend experience in America. This is my 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:15.980 last relationship. Current relationship. No, 00:01:16.019 --> 00:01:22.540 I'm joking. Basically, this guy Bear, a complete... 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:26.760 Loser pussy of a human being. Just can't get 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.480 his feelings out to his co -worker Nikki. He 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.920 absolutely loves and adores her and is literally 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:37.280 obsessed with her. Like stalking her Instagram 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.659 page at night. His cat just died and he can't 00:01:40.659 --> 00:01:44.379 think about anything else besides Nikki. And 00:01:44.379 --> 00:01:50.579 the old saying, you know, be careful what you 00:01:50.579 --> 00:01:54.640 wish for applies to this movie. uh tenfold i 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.959 mean this man breaks a willow branch and wishes 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.599 that nikki loves him more than anyone else in 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:05.659 the world and that wish comes true he gets exactly 00:02:05.659 --> 00:02:10.319 what he asked for and she will stop at nothing 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.439 to make sure that she is with him at all times 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:18.199 um she goes to lengths of duct taping his entire 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:23.349 door shut before he goes to work she goes to 00:02:23.349 --> 00:02:26.530 the lengths of smashing the living shit out of 00:02:26.530 --> 00:02:30.669 sarah's head into a steering wheel just to make 00:02:30.669 --> 00:02:36.150 sure that bear stays with her so um bear ends 00:02:36.150 --> 00:02:39.210 up getting what he wishes for and he realizes 00:02:39.210 --> 00:02:44.129 the only way out of you know this some might 00:02:44.129 --> 00:02:48.189 say toxic relationship is uh to kill himself 00:02:50.860 --> 00:02:56.000 has many toxic relations no i'm joking um but 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.759 yeah no this dark episode yeah um now this movie 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.500 dude so before this movie talk to me was probably 00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:07.099 my most recent favorite horror movie i've seen 00:03:07.099 --> 00:03:09.599 i mean i walked out of the movie theater after 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.960 talk to me and was like wow i i feel different 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:16.039 after watching that obsession is obsession is 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.340 at the same level for me maybe even better like 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:23.599 this isn't a new concept at all but just the 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:28.360 way curry baker told the story kept you on your 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.719 toes the whole time literally the whole time 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:33.120 you didn't know what was going to happen and 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.340 then i mean shout out to i think her name's like 00:03:36.340 --> 00:03:39.560 indy navarro i don't know how to pronounce her 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.120 last name but the girl that played the whole 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.180 we're gonna the whole time yeah we'll probably 00:03:44.180 --> 00:03:46.219 change it a couple times too but We're going 00:03:46.219 --> 00:03:51.080 to roll with it. The girl that played Nikki deserves 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:55.580 an Oscar nom. And I stamp that. Like, she was 00:03:55.580 --> 00:03:59.719 incredible. Indie Oscar 2026. 27. Yes, 100%. 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:04.240 All right, let's score it before we get into 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:05.680 it. And you're probably going to hear us mention 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.979 the budget a billion times in this episode. But 00:04:07.979 --> 00:04:11.219 that was the most crazy part to me. I mean, this 00:04:11.219 --> 00:04:14.219 movie is gross. Last I checked, it was like $82 00:04:14.219 --> 00:04:17.339 million over two weeks with a sub $1 million 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:20.860 budget, which is unheard of in the movie making 00:04:20.860 --> 00:04:25.439 industry. It's like Blair Witch Project -esque. 00:04:26.379 --> 00:04:28.980 Yeah, to put it in perspective, if Project Hail 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:34.199 Mary did that, it would have made like $2 billion 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:38.740 or something. I think more than $2 billion, actually. 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.000 That had like a $200 million budget. this is 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.980 all at the top of my head but something along 00:04:43.980 --> 00:04:49.480 those lines so it had literally a like yeah like 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.740 a 200 or yeah you could do the math i'm just 00:04:52.740 --> 00:04:55.319 gonna do bad math in my head right now but you're 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.579 gonna hear us talk about that a lot but let's 00:04:57.579 --> 00:04:59.560 do the scores and then we can get into the analysis 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.379 of this so for the entertainment of this movie 00:05:03.379 --> 00:05:05.240 i i also thought this was really good i know 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.959 i'm i'm Kind of hiding my hand here, but I liked 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:13.860 it too. I gave it a 9 .2 here. 9 .5 for entertainment. 00:05:14.779 --> 00:05:18.540 Okay, characters. Shout out Indie. I went 9 .0 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:23.860 here. 9 .4. 9 .4. I also didn't hate Bear as 00:05:23.860 --> 00:05:26.680 much as you did based off of how you said that 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.680 originally, but we'll get into it. Yeah, that 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.000 was passive -aggressive. All right, cinematography. 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:35.829 I went 8 .1. I nerfed it because it was a horror 00:05:35.829 --> 00:05:39.569 movie. Nah, you can't nerf this one. 9 .1. 9 00:05:39.569 --> 00:05:42.930 .1? Okay. And then writing I went 8 .0. Writing 00:05:42.930 --> 00:05:46.649 9 .0. 9 .0? This movie across the board is at 00:05:46.649 --> 00:05:50.509 least a 9 for me. It's barely... It's an 8 .9. 00:05:50.589 --> 00:05:53.430 It's an 8 .9 weighted. I mean, that's got to 00:05:53.430 --> 00:05:57.430 be... That's at least one or two all time on 00:05:57.430 --> 00:06:00.750 this channel. Let's start entertainment wise. 00:06:00.870 --> 00:06:03.540 I mean, this thing was... pretty fucking crazy 00:06:03.540 --> 00:06:07.839 up until he actually snaps that willow wishing 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.439 willow branch is it actually from like a willow 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:14.600 tree i i guess that's the that's where it comes 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:19.500 from but satan made it himself it looked it looked 00:06:19.500 --> 00:06:21.240 like the thing that you put your fingers in and 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:25.240 you have yeah like chinese whatever thing yeah 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:26.879 i mean you could you could say that part but 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:32.490 um anyways yeah like up until that point it's 00:06:32.490 --> 00:06:37.449 very lovey -dovey uh high school yeah they're 00:06:37.449 --> 00:06:39.250 in high school right yeah just high school or 00:06:39.250 --> 00:06:41.689 no i think it's like i think it's between high 00:06:41.689 --> 00:06:43.889 school and college like they're just kind of 00:06:43.889 --> 00:06:46.769 bumming right out of high school yeah yeah they're 00:06:46.769 --> 00:06:48.569 all figuring their lives out they're working 00:06:48.569 --> 00:06:51.910 at this music shop and and they being bear or 00:06:51.910 --> 00:06:55.550 baron um there's only one other baron i know 00:06:55.550 --> 00:06:57.689 of besides besides this guy i don't know how 00:06:57.689 --> 00:07:01.790 they named him but Him, Nikki, who is his love 00:07:01.790 --> 00:07:05.069 interest, and then Sarah, and then, oh my god, 00:07:05.069 --> 00:07:07.209 Ian. Ian is the other guy who's in this friend 00:07:07.209 --> 00:07:10.689 group. And none of which are dating. I kind of 00:07:10.689 --> 00:07:13.089 thought that Ian and Sarah were dating at first, 00:07:13.230 --> 00:07:15.990 but they might have been. But it's not really 00:07:15.990 --> 00:07:18.750 about them. It's really just about Bear and Nikki 00:07:18.750 --> 00:07:22.129 and how they all interact with one another. But 00:07:22.129 --> 00:07:25.689 yeah, I mean, up until that happened, I didn't 00:07:25.689 --> 00:07:28.560 think it was... It wasn't bad at all. It was 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.079 a very interesting plot, but it really takes 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.139 a huge turn as soon as that happens and it becomes 00:07:35.139 --> 00:07:39.519 an absolute manic movie. The way I described 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:44.779 it coming out of it was it was set up like a 00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:49.680 coming -of -age movie. One of those older movies 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.920 you see where it's... the loser kid in school 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.459 or like the socially awkward kid of course is 00:07:56.459 --> 00:08:02.079 infatuated with the popular cool girl. And it's 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:05.759 kind of like setting that storyline up. And then 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.360 of course he makes the wish and it comes true, 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:14.620 but to the most extreme degree, like, and like 00:08:14.620 --> 00:08:19.139 I said, this isn't a new concept. This concept 00:08:19.139 --> 00:08:24.389 has been done before. or adjacently but just 00:08:24.389 --> 00:08:27.870 the way curry baker decided to tell this story 00:08:27.870 --> 00:08:31.889 the scenes he includes like the way nikki breaks 00:08:31.889 --> 00:08:34.769 characters at times or breaks character at times 00:08:34.769 --> 00:08:38.009 because she's flipping through this somewhat 00:08:38.009 --> 00:08:40.669 possessed version of herself that's obsessed 00:08:40.669 --> 00:08:44.090 with nikki versus she's like wait what the fuck 00:08:44.090 --> 00:08:46.570 am i doing here why am i kissing you bear ew 00:08:47.599 --> 00:08:50.100 Like the way she flips through that for like 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:52.259 a split second, but then snaps right back in. 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:57.539 I mean, it makes me jump out of my seat at times. 00:08:58.419 --> 00:09:01.080 And I don't know everything about this movie. 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:04.179 I just loved it. She was super unpredictable. 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:07.340 And I don't know if this was on purpose, but 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:09.399 I mean, it probably was now that I'm talking 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.580 about it. It seemed like whenever she was screaming, 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.259 just manic shit that a crazy girl would scream. 00:09:15.259 --> 00:09:19.440 Typical girl. Yeah, that was the other thing. 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:22.159 They chose a lot of dialogue. I mentioned this 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.279 to you when we were talking offline, but it just 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.600 seemed like pretty realistic dialogue for what 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.120 Gen Zers would be talking about. I didn't hear 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.559 any... I'm not going to use specific terms, but 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.320 the language just kind of made sense. It just 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.179 didn't sound like some made -up script that... 00:09:42.429 --> 00:09:45.409 just had no touch of what teenagers are actually 00:09:45.409 --> 00:09:48.389 talking about nowadays. And it just seemed, it 00:09:48.389 --> 00:09:50.110 seemed very authentic is what I'm trying to say. 00:09:50.409 --> 00:09:53.789 100%. And I'm pretty sure I watched an interview 00:09:53.789 --> 00:09:56.549 with Curry Baker saying that he likes to write 00:09:56.549 --> 00:10:00.909 ums and likes into his dialogue to make it feel 00:10:00.909 --> 00:10:04.029 more natural. And I respected that a lot. I mean, 00:10:04.049 --> 00:10:06.549 you hear bears stuttering all over the fucking 00:10:06.549 --> 00:10:13.740 place, that pussy ass bitch. It just seemed very 00:10:13.740 --> 00:10:18.220 organic, very natural, and I loved that about 00:10:18.220 --> 00:10:21.659 this movie. And, fuck, what did you just say 00:10:21.659 --> 00:10:25.000 right before you mentioned the dialogue? There 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.980 was something you were going towards, and it 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:31.179 made me think of something. I don't remember. 00:10:31.460 --> 00:10:35.539 It was probably just the pacing of the beginning 00:10:35.539 --> 00:10:38.019 of the movie versus when he snaps the willow. 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.120 That's all I was saying. Maybe I'll remember 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.840 it. later at some point but i mean this movie 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.960 was very very entertaining i felt like they took 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.539 their time with every scene too it was very planned 00:10:52.539 --> 00:10:55.440 i'm saying very a ton but i really did appreciate 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.120 how much effort they they put into these scenes 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.340 all the scenes were also pretty lengthy this 00:11:01.340 --> 00:11:03.220 movie is not long by any means i think it's like 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:06.620 an hour 45 ish yeah might even be pretty good 00:11:06.620 --> 00:11:10.090 uh yeah Yeah, you love yourself a short movie. 00:11:10.210 --> 00:11:12.730 So I knew you liked that. And I appreciated it, 00:11:12.789 --> 00:11:15.029 too, because I was about to shit my pants if 00:11:15.029 --> 00:11:18.769 it kept going on any longer. But the scenes themselves, 00:11:19.129 --> 00:11:21.470 they all seem like five -minute segments. They 00:11:21.470 --> 00:11:23.929 did have some lapses, like when they first start 00:11:23.929 --> 00:11:27.350 dating and then she moves in in 25 minutes. It 00:11:27.350 --> 00:11:30.570 goes through the montage of them just being this 00:11:30.570 --> 00:11:34.159 happy, lovey -dovey couple. yeah cooking together 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:37.179 laughing hysterically at others jokes for no 00:11:37.179 --> 00:11:38.759 reason and then they just go to the restaurant 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:42.059 and she stands up and causes an absurd scene 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:44.360 in front of a bunch of people and it makes your 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.419 skin crawl and then that's kind of how the movie 00:11:47.419 --> 00:11:51.019 just continues to go there there's i maybe that 00:11:51.019 --> 00:11:53.240 that was the only montage that i'm now that i'm 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.820 thinking about it but from that point on dude 00:11:55.820 --> 00:11:59.500 it's pretty much every scene it starts off kind 00:11:59.500 --> 00:12:02.149 of normal i mean sometimes You know how horror 00:12:02.149 --> 00:12:04.149 movies go. Whenever you're starting a scene in 00:12:04.149 --> 00:12:05.330 the middle of the night, it's probably going 00:12:05.330 --> 00:12:08.750 to be fucking horrible. Especially this. I'd 00:12:08.750 --> 00:12:11.110 say that the scene where she is standing in the 00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:13.470 corner watching him sleep is the one that got 00:12:13.470 --> 00:12:16.570 me the most. Like her doing the moonwalk to the 00:12:16.570 --> 00:12:20.570 corner of the room. I wanted nothing to do with 00:12:20.570 --> 00:12:23.629 that shit. That fucking freaked me out a lot. 00:12:23.889 --> 00:12:26.490 And then she's holding the plant up. I was kind 00:12:26.490 --> 00:12:29.600 of expecting her not to do anything there. It 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.080 was still really fucking weird and I hated it, 00:12:32.179 --> 00:12:35.940 but it was amazingly well done. Props to Curry 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:40.200 Baker. Dude, that scene was... This movie had 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.740 me cracking up at the same time shitting myself. 00:12:43.379 --> 00:12:46.120 The fact she's standing at the court... Nervous 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.799 laughter. 100 % nervous laughter. You don't know 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:50.159 what's going to happen, but you know it's going 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.740 to be probably awful or really embarrassing that 00:12:52.740 --> 00:12:56.279 Nikki is saying it or embarrassing for Bear. 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:59.289 You're feeling his embarrassment. like bear bear 00:12:59.289 --> 00:13:02.269 is shitting himself like nikki where the fuck 00:13:02.269 --> 00:13:04.870 are you and she's like go back to sleep you look 00:13:04.870 --> 00:13:09.269 so cute when you sleep it's like jesus christ 00:13:09.269 --> 00:13:12.169 no i can't go back to sleep no one could go back 00:13:12.169 --> 00:13:16.169 to sleep but um i mean that that's kind of we 00:13:16.169 --> 00:13:18.289 can kind of touch on characters a little bit 00:13:18.289 --> 00:13:23.309 here and why i fucking hate bear so much um i 00:13:23.309 --> 00:13:25.929 didn't hate him that much he dude he's just a 00:13:25.929 --> 00:13:29.539 pussy man He's just the biggest puss. Like, to 00:13:29.539 --> 00:13:32.519 start off, if he had confessed his feelings to 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.539 Nikki in the beginning of the movie before he 00:13:34.539 --> 00:13:38.919 broke the willow branch, we could have not had 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:43.500 three bodies on our hands, right? Beyond that, 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:45.980 though. He didn't know that was going to happen. 00:13:46.139 --> 00:13:50.559 No, but I think Bear as a character is just... 00:13:51.730 --> 00:13:54.409 He's obsessed with the idea of Nikki, but he 00:13:54.409 --> 00:13:57.929 doesn't know how to... He doesn't know what love 00:13:57.929 --> 00:14:01.009 or a relationship really is. He just wanted a 00:14:01.009 --> 00:14:04.470 perky girl. And I think the patient... Hold on, 00:14:04.490 --> 00:14:05.629 I'm going to stop you real quick. Real quick, 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:08.529 sorry. Do you think he's supposed to be a virgin? 00:14:09.350 --> 00:14:13.830 Because I think he is. I would 100 % think that 00:14:13.830 --> 00:14:17.309 he's a virgin. Yeah, okay. I mean, I assume that's 00:14:17.309 --> 00:14:19.049 implied. They never actually say that. Yeah, 00:14:19.129 --> 00:14:24.320 that's true. No, he definitely gets no play outside 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:29.919 of demonically possessing some chick. But I think 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:31.820 that's kind of what played into the movie, right? 00:14:31.940 --> 00:14:39.100 Nikki has no control over her body, and I personally 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:42.600 feel like the movie brings to light how shitty 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.440 of a person Bear is. It does, because you're 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.789 implying the rapey shit that he... I shouldn't 00:14:49.789 --> 00:14:52.509 say it like that. But you're implying that he 00:14:52.509 --> 00:14:55.009 is taking advantage of her knowing that she's 00:14:55.009 --> 00:14:58.909 under some crazy dress. Which definitely in the 00:14:58.909 --> 00:15:00.809 scene where – and I'm not condoning that. I'm 00:15:00.809 --> 00:15:03.610 not saying that's cool. Bear's all right though. 00:15:04.169 --> 00:15:08.269 No, my take on it is I think he got himself in 00:15:08.269 --> 00:15:13.450 this mess to just not being knowledgeable about 00:15:13.450 --> 00:15:16.220 what was really going on. He was – He was obsessed 00:15:16.220 --> 00:15:19.039 with the idea of dating Nikki and being with 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.360 her. When she tells him that she's thinking about 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.940 putting her two weeks in at the music shop where 00:15:24.940 --> 00:15:28.000 they're all working to make money and not actually 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.860 stay there long term. Or Bear might have been. 00:15:29.899 --> 00:15:33.379 Who knows? He gets a little antsy at the idea 00:15:33.379 --> 00:15:35.919 and rushes out to go meet her. But I don't think 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.100 he did anything. He obviously had no idea the 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:41.059 Willow branch was going to actually do any of 00:15:41.059 --> 00:15:42.799 this. He definitely would have never chosen that. 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.019 He also... comes to save her in the end he kills 00:15:48.019 --> 00:15:50.279 himself to save her which i thought took some 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.399 balls obviously um because he was going back 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:57.000 and forth she did literally tell him in his sleep 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.399 to kill her kill her and he didn't because he 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.399 was like oh well i don't know we got we got some 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.899 magic going on here um that's completely sarcastic 00:16:08.899 --> 00:16:12.159 by the way but she is like a riddled corpse in 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:16.320 his bed and saying the most egregious shit ever 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.559 and this was the night i think this was the night 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.620 where she like bashes herself in with a bud light 00:16:20.620 --> 00:16:23.639 bottle in front of all of his friends and he's 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.379 like yeah you know what she's that wasn't that 00:16:27.379 --> 00:16:29.779 bad yeah she's still kind of glowing right now 00:16:29.779 --> 00:16:32.299 look at her sleep you know He's like checking 00:16:32.299 --> 00:16:34.519 her out. I don't know if we just if we just cover 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:38.179 up this part of her face. No, I mean, I don't 00:16:38.179 --> 00:16:42.419 think Bear was some great guy, but I sympathize 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:44.559 with him a little bit in the fact that he had 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.159 no idea what he was getting himself into. And 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.860 he didn't want any of that. He just wanted to 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:52.200 be with her and have a chance to date her. And 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.059 I honestly think I don't know if you feel the 00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:56.779 same way, but it seemed like she would have agreed 00:16:56.779 --> 00:16:59.700 to go on a date with him without the willow branch. 00:17:00.139 --> 00:17:02.000 It seemed like she was kind of into him. Okay, 00:17:02.059 --> 00:17:07.059 so I'm going to flip this around, right? And 00:17:07.059 --> 00:17:08.960 I'm going to disagree with you on a lot, but 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.299 I'm going to agree with you on some points. The 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:14.900 first point, let's just start from the top. I 00:17:14.900 --> 00:17:18.220 agree with you. The way I viewed the movie, I 00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:21.640 100 % think if Bear had expressed his feelings, 00:17:22.420 --> 00:17:26.140 Nikki would have kind of explored that. And when 00:17:26.140 --> 00:17:28.960 I first watched the movie, Or, I mean, the only 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.960 time I watched it. I went with Preston. Yeah, 00:17:32.059 --> 00:17:34.720 I went with Preston. I went with Joe and a couple 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.299 other people, right? And after I had, you know 00:17:38.299 --> 00:17:40.480 that first scene when they're in the car before 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:42.440 he breaks the willow tree and Nikki comes back 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.759 to the car? It's like, or because he calls her 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.140 Freaky Nikki. And she's like, why the fuck would 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:49.640 you say that? And then she's like, do you like 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.259 me, Bear? Be honest right now. Like, do you have 00:17:52.259 --> 00:17:55.980 a crush on me? And he's just like, oh, no, we're 00:17:55.980 --> 00:18:00.640 just good friends. The reaction she gave off 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.440 made me think that she was disappointed in that 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.119 answer. And I've seen interviews after saying 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.900 that, like, Curry Baker wrote the character and 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:15.079 Indy, who played Nikki, is like, there was a 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.660 part of Nikki that did maybe have a crush on 00:18:17.660 --> 00:18:22.619 Bear. That goes into my next point of Bear being 00:18:22.619 --> 00:18:26.200 such a shitty person. I don't think... He has 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.299 any redeeming qualities, really. I think the 00:18:29.299 --> 00:18:32.180 beginning of the movie is a setup to where it's 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:34.240 supposed to be like one of those coming -of -age 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.619 movies, right? Where he is the socially awkward 00:18:36.619 --> 00:18:40.359 kid. He's in love with the cool girl, the cool 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.000 popular girl. He doesn't know how to express 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:47.140 his feelings. And it's setting it up to be that 00:18:47.140 --> 00:18:50.119 way, so you kind of feel for Bear a little bit. 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.000 But then the rest of the movie, every choice 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.519 that Bear makes... makes me hate him more and 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:01.740 more. I mean, it, like, when he tries to cancel 00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:03.740 the wish, he doesn't even try to cancel it at 00:19:03.740 --> 00:19:08.279 first, right? Nikki is clearly possessed, losing 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:10.460 her mind, and he's like, no, no, no, I don't 00:19:10.460 --> 00:19:12.519 want to cancel it. I just want to alter it a 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.980 little bit. He realizes he can't do any of that. 00:19:15.339 --> 00:19:18.440 When Nikki is asleep and he's trying to sneak 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.900 out, and Nikki's like, please just kill me like 00:19:21.900 --> 00:19:24.079 she's sleeping don't wake her please just kill 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.819 me and he tells her or he asks her he's like 00:19:26.819 --> 00:19:31.480 what's so bad about being with me and she's like 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:36.039 i was never with you you know like he just he 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:41.539 he ignores all these like flashing red flags 00:19:41.539 --> 00:19:45.809 i mean the biggest red flags possible Nikki's 00:19:45.809 --> 00:19:47.869 standing there waving this shit in front of his 00:19:47.869 --> 00:19:52.410 face. And he completely dismisses it every single 00:19:52.410 --> 00:19:55.269 time because he can't get over the fact that 00:19:55.269 --> 00:19:57.670 he's just so obsessed with the idea of being 00:19:57.670 --> 00:20:01.769 with her. But he does have a code and first degree 00:20:01.769 --> 00:20:05.309 homicide crosses the line for Bear. So I'm just 00:20:05.309 --> 00:20:07.230 going to throw that out there. Well, so that's 00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:09.789 the thing too. Even at the end, right? You talked 00:20:09.789 --> 00:20:13.329 about him having the balls to take the pills 00:20:13.329 --> 00:20:16.269 and kill himself. Which is such an oxymoron. 00:20:17.069 --> 00:20:19.990 Here's the thing though, right? Did you get that? 00:20:22.430 --> 00:20:26.410 Yes. But here's the thing though, right? He ends 00:20:26.410 --> 00:20:30.150 up pussying out on that too. He tries to make 00:20:30.150 --> 00:20:33.529 himself throw up the pills. It's just the fact 00:20:33.529 --> 00:20:38.150 that the pills work too fast. And I saw in an 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:42.390 interview that the guy that plays Bear actually 00:20:42.390 --> 00:20:45.450 changed the end. because curry baker i think 00:20:45.450 --> 00:20:48.470 had it written where he blows his own brains 00:20:48.470 --> 00:20:51.470 out because he's in the bathroom with the gun 00:20:51.470 --> 00:20:53.650 in his mouth and then he finally switches to 00:20:53.650 --> 00:20:57.130 the pills i heard bear's character or the guy 00:20:57.130 --> 00:20:59.369 that played bear actually was like you know what 00:20:59.369 --> 00:21:03.390 knowing this character he hasn't followed through 00:21:03.390 --> 00:21:06.250 on one single thing in his entire life i think 00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:08.410 he would pussy out in the end too which is why 00:21:08.410 --> 00:21:11.990 he tries to throw up the pills And then, of course, 00:21:12.130 --> 00:21:15.369 Nikki snaps the Willow Branch. She is obsessed 00:21:15.369 --> 00:21:18.269 with her as well. But then the pills end up working. 00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:21.029 Yeah, you get a little... It was kind of Romeo 00:21:21.029 --> 00:21:23.730 and Juliet there at the end for five seconds. 00:21:23.769 --> 00:21:26.789 Yes, an even more fucked up version. Of course, 00:21:26.950 --> 00:21:30.069 yeah. I'm also not saying on the record that 00:21:30.069 --> 00:21:34.230 I'm a huge Bear fan. I just think that... I just 00:21:34.230 --> 00:21:36.589 don't think his intentions originally were to 00:21:36.589 --> 00:21:40.170 do that. And he found himself in this crazy situation, 00:21:40.329 --> 00:21:42.029 which happens in all these horror movies, where 00:21:42.029 --> 00:21:44.769 he can't really confide in anybody. He tells 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:47.589 his best friend, and his best friend asks for 00:21:47.589 --> 00:21:49.450 a billion dollars, which I would have done if 00:21:49.450 --> 00:21:51.430 I was his best friend. I'm like, yeah, fuck it. 00:21:51.529 --> 00:21:53.309 That would have been the first thing I worked 00:21:53.309 --> 00:21:58.809 for. Yeah. But I agree with all his points. He 00:21:58.809 --> 00:22:00.490 definitely was a pussy about all that. The reason 00:22:00.490 --> 00:22:01.990 I brought up him being a virgin is because I 00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:05.910 could just see a guy like that. just being scared 00:22:05.910 --> 00:22:09.549 of the moment being like right no she really 00:22:09.549 --> 00:22:12.029 is asking me these personal questions like at 00:22:12.029 --> 00:22:16.829 my car but i'm just gonna try this you know witch 00:22:16.829 --> 00:22:20.609 doctor type remedy but he didn't he just didn't 00:22:20.609 --> 00:22:22.390 think it would actually work it's like the same 00:22:22.390 --> 00:22:24.369 thing as throwing a coin into a fountain or whatever 00:22:24.369 --> 00:22:27.650 yeah you know no i i 100 agree with that but 00:22:27.650 --> 00:22:30.970 i think they set it up that way in the beginning 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:34.470 of the movie to just flip it on its head yeah 00:22:34.470 --> 00:22:38.630 yeah after that point after he snaps it every 00:22:38.630 --> 00:22:41.990 choice he makes about nikki is just the wrong 00:22:41.990 --> 00:22:45.710 choice like dude drive your car like you you 00:22:45.710 --> 00:22:52.089 fuck this girl's life up yeah i mean from it 00:22:52.089 --> 00:22:54.990 how long does this movie last in in terms of 00:22:54.990 --> 00:22:57.990 the timeline like a week if that where they're 00:22:57.990 --> 00:23:00.609 living together it must have been something like 00:23:00.609 --> 00:23:04.559 that maybe maybe a probably around a week i would 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.240 guess maybe a little bit longer than that because 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.160 ian and sarah are both just like what the fuck 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:15.640 is going on with these two yeah and then so more 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.079 a little more about the characters too like so 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.720 bear and sorry real quick before you go into 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.559 that i just remember the thought i had earlier 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.039 when you were talking about the dialogue kind 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.839 of being relatable to you know our generation 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:32.329 and whatnot i thought that i thought that made 00:23:32.329 --> 00:23:34.710 the movie experience for me even better because 00:23:34.710 --> 00:23:39.549 hearing topics like guys night, like that, that's 00:23:39.549 --> 00:23:44.829 something all guys in there, in there, whatever, 00:23:44.990 --> 00:23:49.190 from teens to fucking 60 years old or whatever. 00:23:49.349 --> 00:23:52.069 Like we, we all know about guys nights. We have 00:23:52.069 --> 00:23:55.490 guys nights or whatever. The, the way they went 00:23:55.490 --> 00:23:58.630 about that of like Nikki's like Nikki overreacted 00:23:58.630 --> 00:24:00.430 to everything. Of course she's obsessed with 00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:02.869 bear, but like, the way she instantly turned 00:24:02.869 --> 00:24:05.650 off the shower was like, oh yeah, don't like, 00:24:05.690 --> 00:24:07.289 I'll get ready right after my shower. Don't worry. 00:24:07.369 --> 00:24:10.650 He's like, uh, I don't think any of the girls 00:24:10.650 --> 00:24:12.349 are going. I think it's just going to be the 00:24:12.349 --> 00:24:14.490 guys. And she's like flipping out on him and 00:24:14.490 --> 00:24:17.170 all that shit. Like he just made it. I'm not 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:19.670 going to say relatable. Sorry, Preston. I'm not 00:24:19.670 --> 00:24:22.829 trying to throw shade. I'm not going to say relatable, 00:24:22.849 --> 00:24:25.910 but it's, it's topics that come up in our everyday 00:24:25.910 --> 00:24:28.470 lives where we're like, oh, that that's fucking 00:24:28.470 --> 00:24:31.369 funny. Cause that's the extreme end of, what 00:24:31.369 --> 00:24:33.730 I've dealt with or whatever the case may be. 00:24:34.130 --> 00:24:36.910 This is just, it's so obvious. Like people have 00:24:36.910 --> 00:24:38.529 definitely made this connection. I'm not the 00:24:38.529 --> 00:24:41.029 first one, but it's just the epitome of a super 00:24:41.029 --> 00:24:45.130 toxic relationship. Yes. Bear knows that this 00:24:45.130 --> 00:24:47.769 is horrible. Like he should not be in this at 00:24:47.769 --> 00:24:50.890 all, but he's still infatuated with this girl, 00:24:50.930 --> 00:24:53.789 even though she is literally covered in her own 00:24:53.789 --> 00:24:56.769 feces when he comes home from work. Like he's 00:24:56.769 --> 00:25:00.279 still. has these love uh these love glasses on 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:02.660 and he can't see past that but see that's just 00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:05.359 ignoring the signs yeah exactly that that's what 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:07.200 makes me i mean we're talking about it even but 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.099 he's a virgin he's a virgin he's like give some 00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:14.059 sympathy for him bro that's where i'm coming 00:25:14.059 --> 00:25:18.079 from well yeah i a virgin yeah i mean he didn't 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.720 he obviously didn't but the yeah I don't like 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.599 bear's character either. I've just seen stuff 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:28.279 online where like the entire movie is about people 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.759 theorizing. The entire movie is about him taking 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.759 advantage of Nikki. And I don't, that's a part 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:37.259 of it I'd say, but I don't think that's the main 00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:38.900 point of the movie. I think the main point of 00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:41.559 the movie is just talks is like, this is what 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.900 a toxic relationship looks like blown up to a 00:25:44.900 --> 00:25:48.880 billion times, you know? Yeah. I mean, I'm off, 00:25:49.059 --> 00:25:53.599 but. I think it's a bunch of different themes 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.359 kind of meddled together under the umbrella of, 00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:59.099 like, be careful what you wish for. I think that's 00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:01.960 kind of the main messaging, of course, theme 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.819 around it. I mean, it's the fucking one wish 00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:09.759 willow. But, I mean, I just can't get over, like, 00:26:09.940 --> 00:26:14.599 every red flag Bear chooses to miss. It's like, 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:19.099 dude, you clearly put yourself, Nikki. and everyone 00:26:19.099 --> 00:26:22.480 else around you in this fucked up situation like 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:27.619 there is this this is the time to man up and 00:26:27.619 --> 00:26:30.339 i mean it's like right it's sacrificing yourself 00:26:30.339 --> 00:26:34.200 that's like the ultimate thing to sacrifice your 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:39.700 own life but like dude come on man come on nikki 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:43.059 nikki's begging she's begging to be let free 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.279 and he just keeps it up like the way the way 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:52.680 that bear is constantly like he's never really 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.720 worried about nikki's mental and physical state 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.380 he's always just like hey just go back to being 00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:04.720 nikki like can you just please act normal nothing 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.950 about what she's doing is normal Yeah, it's like 00:27:07.950 --> 00:27:11.930 the Outer Banks. You just like the idea of me, 00:27:12.130 --> 00:27:14.509 John B., or whatever. It's like the same bullshit. 00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:18.829 Exactly. You mentioned, what was the horror movie 00:27:18.829 --> 00:27:21.609 you mentioned that this reminded you of? Oh, 00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:25.529 Talk to Me. Yes. Also, kind of reminded me of 00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:29.109 It Follows, Micah Monroe. Bit of a different 00:27:29.109 --> 00:27:31.309 concept, but that was the last person you have 00:27:31.309 --> 00:27:34.190 sex with, right? If they're contaminated with 00:27:34.190 --> 00:27:36.490 that, we'll follow you and kill you until... 00:27:37.099 --> 00:27:39.700 you either pat unless you have sex with someone 00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:42.859 else or and pass it along to them yeah yeah similar 00:27:42.859 --> 00:27:45.700 to smile too it's the same kind of concept where 00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:48.640 there's one easter it's not even easter egg it's 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.440 just a plot point that they give you right away 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:55.079 and it it puts the entire storyline like it revolves 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.640 around this one thing so it's definitely not 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:01.440 a new concept but this was done pretty well there 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.960 was a couple plot holes i called out to you uh 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.690 the The fact that he was just going on with this, 00:28:07.789 --> 00:28:11.009 like the duct tape door for one instance, I feel 00:28:11.009 --> 00:28:14.730 like other, other bad horror movies too would 00:28:14.730 --> 00:28:18.009 probably follow this mold. If, if I saw that 00:28:18.009 --> 00:28:20.029 from like, or if a character sees something like 00:28:20.029 --> 00:28:22.230 that, they would just like immediately start 00:28:22.230 --> 00:28:25.150 trying to distance themselves from that person. 00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:27.329 But he was, you're right. He was never under 00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:29.789 any intention that she was actually going to 00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:32.230 hurt him, which I guess she wasn't going to ever 00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:35.279 do that. and there was never really anyone else 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:39.200 around him that posed the threat yeah or herself 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.039 like i thought that's where it was going when 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:42.759 she was holding the knife but then it was only 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:46.500 to threaten to kill herself um and yeah i mean 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:51.700 the the post guys night fiasco when ian and bear 00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:53.900 supposedly dropped her off at the hospital that 00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:56.660 was such a plot hole like there's no way in hell 00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:59.900 that girl would have ever been sent back to live 00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:01.779 with someone that she wasn't even married to 00:29:01.779 --> 00:29:03.920 and all that like they would have just sent her 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.980 back to live with her mom or because i guess 00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:10.859 her dad wasn't in the picture um but nonetheless 00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:13.559 like these are some very very small things i'm 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:15.839 picking picking apart also the cat getting into 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.940 the vicodin that was that was weird but i guess 00:29:18.940 --> 00:29:21.920 the pill i guess that was just yeah i think that's 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.579 just bear being a useless fuck and not putting 00:29:25.579 --> 00:29:28.799 the cat back on the bottle yeah or maybe his 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.940 cat had opposable thumbs and got into it i don't 00:29:30.940 --> 00:29:35.559 know but um yeah no i mean there were of course 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.819 a couple plot holes in a movie but i mean i give 00:29:37.819 --> 00:29:42.019 it i give it a pass man 750 000 budget you could 00:29:42.019 --> 00:29:46.140 fucking you could have the lighting guy doing 00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:47.839 the moonwalk in the background i wouldn't give 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.539 a shit like this movie this movie hit on all 00:29:51.539 --> 00:29:54.579 cylinders for me well yeah and then there's the 00:29:54.579 --> 00:29:57.940 element in horror movies when sometimes you choose 00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:00.619 to bring law enforcement into the movie other 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:04.160 times horror movies just like fuck it yeah protagonist 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.099 is gonna solve it and that's what happened here 00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:08.839 because that would have happened after she showed 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.920 up at the hospital with a broken off beer bottle 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.539 like in her forehead and two guys that aren't 00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:23.140 so which one crazy bro all right both y 'all 00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:27.220 under arrest Right, right. That whole part, they 00:30:27.220 --> 00:30:29.200 didn't even, I don't know, maybe they had that 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.500 as a deleted scene, but they kept it very, very 00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:35.000 shallow with the characters in terms of how many 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.039 they actually showed, which I liked. As you know, 00:30:37.059 --> 00:30:39.519 I like that kind of stuff. Really only four characters. 00:30:39.940 --> 00:30:43.059 We never actually meet. I don't even know if 00:30:43.059 --> 00:30:45.359 other characters had lines, to be honest, besides 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.259 those four that I mentioned at the beginning 00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:51.859 and then the employees at the - Andy Richter? 00:30:54.299 --> 00:30:57.940 He was the dad that owned the music store. Sarah's 00:30:57.940 --> 00:31:01.359 dad. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So him and then the guy 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.059 who owned or there's two employees that worked 00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:06.160 at the store where he buys the Willow branch. 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.859 And I think that was it. I literally don't think 00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:11.299 anybody else talked. Aside from at the party 00:31:11.299 --> 00:31:13.440 maybe. Yeah, at the party. I think at the party. 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.259 But besides that. Oh, and then of course the 00:31:18.259 --> 00:31:23.599 ominous phone call that Bear makes to try to. 00:31:24.029 --> 00:31:28.430 cancel or alter the wish uh and the the the director 00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:31.009 curry baker actually did the voice for that on 00:31:31.009 --> 00:31:32.950 the phone call okay yeah that reminded me of 00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:35.190 the substance when she calls in she's like this 00:31:35.190 --> 00:31:38.710 this shit doesn't work yeah yeah it also so the 00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:41.009 end of that phone call reminded me of talk to 00:31:41.009 --> 00:31:46.710 me when okay like of course it's such a lackadaisical 00:31:46.710 --> 00:31:51.289 call like it sounds like some some like 16 year 00:31:51.289 --> 00:31:53.890 old that just got a job at a call center and 00:31:53.890 --> 00:31:56.690 doesn't want to doesn't want to provide any sort 00:31:56.690 --> 00:31:59.029 of customer service but then at the end he's 00:31:59.029 --> 00:32:02.809 like one operator yeah but just hates his job 00:32:02.809 --> 00:32:06.509 and um at the end of the call he but he says 00:32:06.509 --> 00:32:09.730 i mean do you want to talk to her and bear's 00:32:09.730 --> 00:32:12.130 like what who he's like do you want to talk to 00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:15.869 nicky and it cuts to just nikki like screaming 00:32:15.869 --> 00:32:19.069 over the phone like she's burning in hell or 00:32:19.069 --> 00:32:21.309 something like that that reminded me of talk 00:32:21.309 --> 00:32:26.970 to me too when she sees uh that little boy and 00:32:26.970 --> 00:32:28.930 his soul is just like trapped in the underworld 00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:32.509 and he's screaming in agony like it kind of gave 00:32:32.509 --> 00:32:36.109 me those vibes as well so i don't know dude the 00:32:36.109 --> 00:32:40.440 more I watched this movie last week, and every 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.880 day I have either watched a YouTube video or 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.900 combed Reddit threads about this movie because 00:32:44.900 --> 00:32:47.940 I can't get it out of my head. No pun intended. 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:51.579 I am obsessed with this movie. Yeah, I mean, 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.420 I've definitely been mulling it over. I've seen 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:57.960 it, saw it a couple days ago. So you really think 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:02.180 that this was just a trance state similar to, 00:33:02.259 --> 00:33:05.240 I guess similar to Talk to Me or other horror 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:10.400 movies? Whatever. So had Ian wished that Nikki 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.380 would never fall in love with Bear, she would 00:33:14.380 --> 00:33:16.220 have just gone back to normal? Or would that 00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:21.859 hex still be over her? I think if Ian had wished 00:33:21.859 --> 00:33:28.420 for the undoing of Bear's wish, I think it would 00:33:28.420 --> 00:33:32.099 have worked. Because one thing they talk about... 00:33:32.619 --> 00:33:35.000 throughout the movie or a couple times in the 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.259 movie is that the one wish willow isn't like 00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:41.640 a cursed object it does like you see ian it gave 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.180 him a billion dollars like there was nothing 00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:46.460 wrong with that there was no downside to that 00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:50.059 the crystal shop owner guy he's like oh yeah 00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:52.519 i already used my wish it worked like it went 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.680 great so like if you the the one wish willow 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.009 itself isn't a bad thing i think And I've seen 00:34:01.009 --> 00:34:05.990 Curry Baker talk about it. It's where the wish 00:34:05.990 --> 00:34:09.469 came from, from Bear himself. The intent behind 00:34:09.469 --> 00:34:13.070 it was cursed in itself, which is why it made 00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:17.309 Nikki so fucking insane. So you're saying there 00:34:17.309 --> 00:34:19.610 could be a realm where someone could wish for 00:34:19.610 --> 00:34:21.710 a love potion and it wouldn't turn out like that? 00:34:22.349 --> 00:34:24.889 that's what you're theorizing if it i mean they 00:34:24.889 --> 00:34:26.769 would have to go into the fine print of that 00:34:26.769 --> 00:34:30.429 wording but maybe but i mean i don't know i feel 00:34:30.429 --> 00:34:35.329 like again it it kind of ties back to the whole 00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:40.349 argument around someone's autonomy and their 00:34:40.349 --> 00:34:43.030 own freedom like when you take that away from 00:34:43.030 --> 00:34:47.989 someone it kind of it murkies the water a lot 00:34:47.989 --> 00:34:49.769 like i don't know if that's something you can 00:34:49.769 --> 00:34:54.059 wish for per se yeah No, that's, yeah, there's 00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:56.460 a lot of layers beyond just what we saw in the 00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:58.739 movie. I kind of wish they explained more of 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.880 how she was able to come in and out of that trance 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.179 state, though. Because we see that a couple times 00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:07.119 where she just starts screaming and she's there. 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.239 She does it in her sleep one night when Bear 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.880 tells her that everything's fine, basically. 00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:16.679 But they didn't touch that much more on it. I 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.920 don't think this movie's going to have a sequel. 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.000 It probably shouldn't, but... That would be one 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.980 cool thing we could get out of that is some more 00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:27.559 explanation behind how that all works. Because 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.480 she seemingly for no reason would just come out 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.260 of that state and be totally aware of what was 00:35:33.260 --> 00:35:34.619 going on. So I'm wondering if there was another 00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:39.280 way in the way it was written for her to be saved 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.280 other than her killing himself. Two things to 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.599 that. Through watching Curry Baker interviews. 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:50.050 For one, he's coming out with a new movie. soon 00:35:50.050 --> 00:35:52.269 yeah I can't remember what the name of it's called 00:35:52.269 --> 00:35:55.349 but I heard in like the opening monologue of 00:35:55.349 --> 00:36:00.150 that movie you hear a news reporting of like 00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:04.170 a young girl that killed three people and went 00:36:04.170 --> 00:36:06.670 crazy or some shit like that so I think it's 00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:08.829 going to be one of those like little easter egg 00:36:08.829 --> 00:36:12.429 multiverse type references to what Nikki did 00:36:12.429 --> 00:36:15.230 and then also I heard Curry Baker say that uh 00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:21.190 he's not interested in a sequel like a movie 00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:24.030 sequel to this per se but he is interested in 00:36:24.030 --> 00:36:28.389 the idea of a tv show where kind of each episode 00:36:28.389 --> 00:36:31.389 is its own episode going into different people's 00:36:31.389 --> 00:36:35.030 one wish willows and kind of what they wish for 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:37.730 so one episode you know could be more horror 00:36:37.730 --> 00:36:41.789 focused versus a romance focused one versus a 00:36:41.789 --> 00:36:44.250 comedy one verse well maybe not romance i guess 00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:46.409 that's what this was and it didn't turn out that 00:36:46.409 --> 00:36:51.019 great but um Just a bunch of different episodes 00:36:51.019 --> 00:36:54.900 with people encountering their own wishes and 00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:58.639 what follows with that. I don't know, dude. I 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:03.260 like the rise of these new directors, and that's 00:37:03.260 --> 00:37:08.500 no shade to the Nolans of the world, but it's 00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:12.460 nice to see some fresh faces out there directing 00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:16.780 these hot new movies, because I feel like... 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:18.820 Within the movie industry, there can kind of 00:37:18.820 --> 00:37:20.780 be a template for a lot of movies, especially 00:37:20.780 --> 00:37:25.920 horror. And, you know, we see a shit ton of bad 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.599 horror movies. So it's really refreshing to see 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:34.159 a nice new good one. Right. And you and I have 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.159 talked about this, too. I just kind of feel like 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.360 horror is becoming the more mainstream genre 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.780 where all these other movies are taking some 00:37:41.780 --> 00:37:45.710 effect to that. I'm going to. Just one time mentioned 00:37:45.710 --> 00:37:48.489 weapons. But last year that was one movie that 00:37:48.489 --> 00:37:50.929 definitely did that. Sinners as well did that. 00:37:51.050 --> 00:37:53.590 I wouldn't call either of those actual horror 00:37:53.590 --> 00:37:57.369 movies. But they had horror elements for sure. 00:37:57.550 --> 00:38:01.190 And were widely acclaimed. And it seems like 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:03.289 a lot of studios are following suit. And this 00:38:03.289 --> 00:38:06.289 was a super small studio. It's outperforming 00:38:06.289 --> 00:38:08.969 the fucking Mandalorian and Grogu right now. 00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:14.670 Which had some absurd budget. Absurd cast. And 00:38:14.670 --> 00:38:17.650 I think it's just going to push the mold more. 00:38:18.190 --> 00:38:21.289 It's pretty stupid at this point to not invest 00:38:21.289 --> 00:38:24.250 a little bit into more horror production because 00:38:24.250 --> 00:38:26.590 it also doesn't cost that much. It really doesn't. 00:38:26.630 --> 00:38:29.929 You just have to make stuff dark. Yeah. Just 00:38:29.929 --> 00:38:32.949 make it dark. Hocum, too, was very low budget. 00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:36.130 We just did that one last week. And it's the 00:38:36.130 --> 00:38:39.409 same type of thing. It's just a story that actually 00:38:39.409 --> 00:38:41.510 makes sense and you have characters that are 00:38:41.510 --> 00:38:43.590 interesting. I thought this movie was definitely 00:38:43.590 --> 00:38:46.550 better than Hocum and just had more originality 00:38:46.550 --> 00:38:49.469 to it. The whole One Wish Willow piece was a 00:38:49.469 --> 00:38:52.829 touch that Hocum didn't have. I'm not using it 00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:55.929 as a ploy to shit on Hocum. I thought that was 00:38:55.929 --> 00:38:59.989 a pretty good movie. But this kind of mold I 00:38:59.989 --> 00:39:02.389 like. I like Talk to Me Too, like you had mentioned. 00:39:02.469 --> 00:39:04.469 I really liked It Follows. I thought It Follows 00:39:04.469 --> 00:39:06.510 was probably a little bit ahead of its time. 00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:09.710 That movie is pretty solid for the acclaimed 00:39:09.710 --> 00:39:12.940 god. It's not... renowned as some absurdly good 00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:15.480 horror movie but i i think it's pretty freaky 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.460 for when it came out and holds up pretty well 00:39:18.460 --> 00:39:25.380 no i i completely agree and i mean i i love a 00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:29.579 horror movie that doesn't rely on jump scares 00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:33.320 for it to be oh the scariest movie of the year 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.980 and i feel like a lot of horror movies do that 00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:40.110 right like they they rely on A demon popping 00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:44.670 out of the dark. Loud screams. All this shit 00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:46.769 happening in the theater to make people jump 00:39:46.769 --> 00:39:50.710 out of their seats. Whereas movies like Talk 00:39:50.710 --> 00:39:55.690 to Me, Hocum, Obsession, Midsommar. All these 00:39:55.690 --> 00:40:00.829 other movies, they rely on the story to kind 00:40:00.829 --> 00:40:03.750 of hook the audience. And then they just sprinkle 00:40:03.750 --> 00:40:08.679 pieces of horror, thriller, unease. you know 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.019 making your butt clench they they sprinkle all 00:40:12.019 --> 00:40:15.519 that in to just add to the story even more yeah 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.320 they're just like mentally ruining the the minds 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.960 of our youth and giving everyone irritable bowel 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.980 syndrome it's exactly it's twofold but you're 00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:30.340 right it's so so many more time is put into that 00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:33.500 i i just think psychological horror gets me the 00:40:33.500 --> 00:40:36.900 most yes when she is in that bedroom And they're 00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:41.519 not showing her. I know she's... Again, I feel 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.159 like I'm pretty sensitized or desensitized to 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.780 jump scares. I'm seeing Bear lay down in bed. 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.019 I'm like, the only really jump scare tactic you 00:40:51.019 --> 00:40:53.820 can use here is have her pop up right behind 00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:57.800 him and look at him again. Or her pop up in some 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.340 way. But I never expected her to just start screaming 00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:04.699 or whispering really... gently like something 00:41:04.699 --> 00:41:07.500 really weird and then she's dancing in the room 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:10.219 and like it's just doing unpredictable shit that 00:41:10.219 --> 00:41:12.619 makes me on edge like i don't i don't want her 00:41:12.619 --> 00:41:14.280 to be doing anything i just want her to come 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.820 to bed and lay down and the scene to be over 00:41:16.820 --> 00:41:19.539 so we can go to the next one you know that i 00:41:19.539 --> 00:41:21.500 mean that was bear's thought process the entire 00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:23.380 time yeah i know that's why it's such a good 00:41:23.380 --> 00:41:28.300 scene i um i 1000 agree and i've said this a 00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:33.929 handful of times off the podcast but The way 00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:37.309 this movie keeps you on your toes the entire 00:41:37.309 --> 00:41:41.789 time. The second Bear snaps that one -wish willow, 00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:46.289 from then on, palms get sweaty. The entire movie. 00:41:46.449 --> 00:41:52.030 Because, like you said... we've watched so many 00:41:52.030 --> 00:41:54.230 horror movies, everyone has seen a shit ton of 00:41:54.230 --> 00:41:56.869 horror movies, you expect to know when jump scares 00:41:56.869 --> 00:42:00.010 land, right? When someone closes a medicine cabinet 00:42:00.010 --> 00:42:02.429 with a mirror on it, you expect something to 00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:05.230 pop up. Bear did that three to four times this 00:42:05.230 --> 00:42:09.949 movie, nothing happens. It's when you least expect 00:42:09.949 --> 00:42:13.610 it, some shit pops up. Nikki screams, she smashes 00:42:13.610 --> 00:42:16.610 her head through the driver's side window. Like, 00:42:16.630 --> 00:42:19.030 yes, we were kind of expecting that, because... 00:42:19.369 --> 00:42:23.010 While Sarah and Bear are talking, they keep showing 00:42:23.010 --> 00:42:26.730 what's behind them in a blurry view. And you're 00:42:26.730 --> 00:42:29.630 like, some shit's definitely about to happen. 00:42:29.909 --> 00:42:33.309 But the way Curry Baker directed it, and also 00:42:33.309 --> 00:42:37.949 big credits to the score and sound in this movie. 00:42:38.289 --> 00:42:42.329 The way they would build music up, abruptly end 00:42:42.329 --> 00:42:46.369 it, start having some creepy ass music playing. 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.460 but then nothing happens or having some super 00:42:49.460 --> 00:42:52.860 light -hearted motivational soundtrack in the 00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:56.239 background and then it instantly flips to one 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.579 of the most horrific on -screen deaths i've ever 00:42:58.579 --> 00:43:04.079 seen like i mean chef's kiss it was it was fantastic 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:08.280 yeah no this movie was very good i mean an 8 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.199 .9 is is phenomenal the last piece i wanted to 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.559 mention was you kind of touched on it i thought 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.699 they did it i thought they just did a good job 00:43:15.699 --> 00:43:19.610 of making her scream her being nikki whenever 00:43:19.610 --> 00:43:23.409 they weren't showing her face like so you just 00:43:23.409 --> 00:43:24.909 couldn't tell when it was going to come because 00:43:24.909 --> 00:43:26.869 it was loud and that would make me go kind of 00:43:26.869 --> 00:43:30.150 like move my seat a little bit yeah um you know 00:43:30.150 --> 00:43:33.150 woke me up woke me up a bit but that was just 00:43:33.150 --> 00:43:36.710 a really cheap effective way to freak me out 00:43:36.710 --> 00:43:39.409 um aside from the aside from the move walking 00:43:39.409 --> 00:43:42.539 that I will, oh my god, that's going to be etched 00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:44.340 in my head for the rest of the time. Yeah, no, 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.820 I can't forget. You said moonwalking and I got 00:43:46.820 --> 00:43:50.579 a little chills, so. The second one, the second 00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:52.480 time she did it, it also freaked me out too, 00:43:52.539 --> 00:43:55.659 but that looked more of just like a time lapse. 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:57.780 Yeah. Because the first time she did it, she 00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:00.619 just looked like a gargoyle. Yeah. And I was 00:44:00.619 --> 00:44:04.539 like, what the fuck is this? So, on that note. 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.219 And Bear's just like. okay i guess i'll go back 00:44:07.219 --> 00:44:10.340 to sleep yeah yeah he just like cuddles up at 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:14.059 the corner yeah that was that was crazy bear 00:44:14.059 --> 00:44:17.099 in that scene that was that was wild i mean bear 00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:21.639 in general but this movie was awesome don't go 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.659 see it with your parents unless they're into 00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:27.800 this kind of stuff but um yeah go see it with 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.780 your girlfriend go see it with your girlfriend 00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:33.219 yeah have a long talk after and before this movie 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.119 No, go check out Obsession. Go check out Ripe 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.659 Avocados. We'll be back next Tuesday with another 00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:42.079 one. Until then, stay safe out there. Peace out. 00:44:42.380 --> 00:44:42.780 Deuces.