WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.779 Welcome back to Ripe Avocados. Today we're going 00:00:03.779 --> 00:00:09.460 to review Wicked for Good, Wicked number 2. Sean, 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:30.309 take it away. Let's get into this. Wicked for 00:00:30.309 --> 00:00:34.750 Good is the sequel to the first Wicked movie. 00:00:36.149 --> 00:00:41.090 It follows the events shortly after Elphaba sings 00:00:41.090 --> 00:00:45.369 Defying Gravity and storms out of Oz. It's now 00:00:45.369 --> 00:00:47.710 living in the woods. People are hunting for her. 00:00:47.750 --> 00:00:52.049 She's the Wicked Witch of the West. Have you 00:00:52.049 --> 00:00:56.469 seen that annoying vocal stim on TikTok where 00:00:56.469 --> 00:00:58.990 it's Michelle Yeoh or whatever and she's like, 00:00:59.549 --> 00:01:04.430 madame madame horrible wicked witch no i haven't 00:01:04.430 --> 00:01:07.090 seen it's the most annoying thing i've ever seen 00:01:07.090 --> 00:01:10.030 but it's just a compilation of her doing it at 00:01:10.030 --> 00:01:13.609 every interview but basically everyone's hunting 00:01:13.609 --> 00:01:18.370 down elphaba and this movie is just dragged out 00:01:18.370 --> 00:01:23.430 for what seemed like five hours this back and 00:01:23.430 --> 00:01:27.370 forth between elphaba and the people of oz and 00:01:27.370 --> 00:01:33.099 galinda And, um, homegirl in the wheelchair. 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.420 I can't remember her name. Wicked Witch of the 00:01:35.420 --> 00:01:39.579 East. Wicked Witch of the East. She turns very 00:01:39.579 --> 00:01:45.299 wicked. Has a hate for munchkins. Racist ass, 00:01:45.500 --> 00:01:49.780 yeah. I know, so fucking racist. And like, for 00:01:49.780 --> 00:01:55.140 what? For Spongebob? Are you so for real? Um, 00:01:55.140 --> 00:02:01.609 but. Basically, it ties in the events to the 00:02:01.609 --> 00:02:04.689 original Wizard of Oz with Dorothy coming there. 00:02:05.010 --> 00:02:11.550 And Dorothy ends up killing Elphaba going back 00:02:11.550 --> 00:02:17.169 home. But they push the Wizard of Oz out because 00:02:17.169 --> 00:02:22.129 he's a fucking creep. And he's also Elphaba's 00:02:22.129 --> 00:02:26.909 dad. This movie sucked, man. I did not like it. 00:02:26.930 --> 00:02:31.310 You didn't like it at all? No. What were you 00:02:31.310 --> 00:02:33.310 going to say? The only thing I liked about this 00:02:33.310 --> 00:02:37.349 movie was the tie -ins to The Wizard of Oz. It 00:02:37.349 --> 00:02:41.689 was cool to see the origin stories for the Tin 00:02:41.689 --> 00:02:47.289 Man, the Lion, the Scarecrow. Even though the 00:02:47.289 --> 00:02:50.289 Scarecrow looked like... I thought he looked 00:02:50.289 --> 00:02:52.409 like Ryan Reynolds from Deadpool without the 00:02:52.409 --> 00:02:56.349 mask. Yeah, there was a lot of CGI with the Scarecrow. 00:02:56.349 --> 00:03:00.050 It was okay. To be honest, those original costumes 00:03:00.050 --> 00:03:03.169 are just pretty legendary from the first Wizard 00:03:03.169 --> 00:03:05.629 of Oz. I feel like they should have just done 00:03:05.629 --> 00:03:07.909 something like that, but they obviously leaned 00:03:07.909 --> 00:03:11.189 into the full CGI. We had Aslan out here being 00:03:11.189 --> 00:03:14.389 a little bitch. Being the biggest bitch. The 00:03:14.389 --> 00:03:19.509 biggest bitch. Oh my god. I didn't even see... 00:03:19.509 --> 00:03:22.639 They didn't show the part when... When Jonathan 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.060 Bailey even became Scarecrow, did they? I know 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:25.979 they showed him getting attacked. They showed 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:28.780 him getting the literal shit beat out of him. 00:03:29.259 --> 00:03:33.819 And then as Elphaba was saying the spell, I think 00:03:33.819 --> 00:03:37.300 you could see pieces of straw coming out of his 00:03:37.300 --> 00:03:41.419 uniform. Okay. Yeah. But it was also on that 00:03:41.419 --> 00:03:45.240 weird VR CGI screen, so you couldn't really tell. 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.509 So entertainment -wise, I... Definitely went 00:03:49.509 --> 00:03:51.849 to the bathroom once during this movie. I think 00:03:51.849 --> 00:03:54.689 maybe twice. It's long as hell, as you mentioned. 00:03:55.610 --> 00:03:59.349 And I'm not, for one, I'm not a big musical guy, 00:03:59.449 --> 00:04:02.689 but I always do reference just La La Land, I 00:04:02.689 --> 00:04:05.449 guess, as one that I really do appreciate. I've 00:04:05.449 --> 00:04:07.210 never seen The Greatest Showman, but I've heard 00:04:07.210 --> 00:04:10.310 fantastic things about that one. Love it. Probably 00:04:10.310 --> 00:04:12.509 shouldn't have admitted it on this podcast, but 00:04:12.509 --> 00:04:16.089 the first Wicked I thought was fine. This was... 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:19.660 basically the same thing i'm assuming it was 00:04:19.660 --> 00:04:22.680 the same director i know they filmed it pretty 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.240 much back to back right in real life i would 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.879 assume so seems that way and i i think it's generally 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.060 pretty good i i'm not really bored when i'm in 00:04:33.060 --> 00:04:34.860 the theater i don't know if i hated it as much 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:39.220 as you did probably you just can't stand you 00:04:39.220 --> 00:04:43.800 can't stand any of it no i mean i just like didn't 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.160 enjoy the movie the songs weren't that good to 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.060 me yeah the songs are definitely better in one 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:54.120 i will attest to that and i haven't watched any 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.139 of the musical before seeing either of the movies 00:04:57.139 --> 00:05:00.139 so i would say define gravity was just a way 00:05:00.139 --> 00:05:02.199 better song they just played snippets of the 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.899 melody in this like yeah background music but 00:05:04.899 --> 00:05:09.959 that was it i know like none of the songs i i 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:11.939 didn't come out of the movie thinking like oh 00:05:11.939 --> 00:05:14.829 one of those songs was really really good Granted, 00:05:14.870 --> 00:05:17.430 we just watched K -pop Demon Hunters, so that 00:05:17.430 --> 00:05:21.470 is also ringing in my mind. I just heard Golden 00:05:21.470 --> 00:05:24.329 was sung at the Macy's Day Thanksgiving Parade, 00:05:24.389 --> 00:05:28.269 so maybe that's why I have a little ill will 00:05:28.269 --> 00:05:32.769 towards Wicked for Good, but I don't know. None 00:05:32.769 --> 00:05:34.990 of the songs stuck with me. It was totally fair. 00:05:35.149 --> 00:05:37.769 I agree with you, though. The tie -ins with Wizard 00:05:37.769 --> 00:05:39.870 of Oz were cool for me because I just didn't 00:05:39.870 --> 00:05:41.949 know the plot, and I didn't really want to spoil 00:05:41.949 --> 00:05:44.560 it before I went in, but... Nothing really more 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.939 to add on entertainment here. It was about what 00:05:47.939 --> 00:05:51.560 we expected it to be, I think. I thought it was 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.060 really cool because I had no idea they were going 00:05:54.060 --> 00:06:00.100 to tie in Dorothy and all that. Seeing Dorothy 00:06:00.100 --> 00:06:04.579 was really cool. You don't see a face -on shot 00:06:04.579 --> 00:06:07.079 with Dorothy because it's in respect to Judy 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.779 Garland. I thought all that was... It was really 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:14.019 cool seeing the origin story. Tin Man was, like, 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.079 hella dark. Honestly, most of, like, their origin 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.100 stories were very dark as shit. And I was like, 00:06:21.180 --> 00:06:25.240 wow. This was a kid's movie? Yeah. Well, I guess 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:30.000 the original Wicked book is really weird. It's, 00:06:30.019 --> 00:06:33.560 like, very sexual and very dark. Oh, I'm sure. 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:39.439 Makes sense. I don't know. I mean, older stuff 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.259 is just... a lot more suggestive always, and 00:06:42.259 --> 00:06:45.139 it was deemed more acceptable and whatever. I 00:06:45.139 --> 00:06:46.860 don't want to get into all that. Characters, 00:06:46.860 --> 00:06:50.120 though, they were fine. I honestly think Ariana 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:52.639 Grande is pretty funny in this role. She's not 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.519 a bad actor, and neither is Cynthia Irvio, because 00:06:55.519 --> 00:07:00.540 I told you, I think I texted you that I'm, again, 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:02.259 not trying to get political, but I'm all for 00:07:02.259 --> 00:07:04.300 free speech, but I think we should just publicly 00:07:04.300 --> 00:07:07.480 ban all Cynthia Irvio and Ariana Grande interviews 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.740 from the face of the internet. I've been keeping 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:15.100 up with them, but people are like... I've just 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:19.420 seen how crazy they are together. Apparently 00:07:19.420 --> 00:07:23.560 they're just two pit bulls for each other. Yeah, 00:07:23.579 --> 00:07:25.160 I don't know. I just think they're really weird, 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.360 but they can do whatever they want to do, I guess. 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.180 The characters were fine. Jonathan Bailey's really 00:07:32.180 --> 00:07:36.339 good. He's a good actor. Jeff Goldblum was good. 00:07:36.860 --> 00:07:39.639 He's a good actor. Plays the same old creepy 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.100 always plays. The same characters. There's nothing 00:07:42.100 --> 00:07:44.199 really to add on the characters. The cinematography, 00:07:44.379 --> 00:07:47.879 like we mentioned. The music was a little better. 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.959 I mean, the choreographed dances and stuff are 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:55.399 amazing. This movie just always looks colorful 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.060 and clean. It's definitely one of those you could 00:07:59.060 --> 00:08:02.579 throw on at a family party and no one's going 00:08:02.579 --> 00:08:05.970 to complain about it. And I assume... Because 00:08:05.970 --> 00:08:09.750 they did this in the first one, I know they sang 00:08:09.750 --> 00:08:13.410 all the songs live on set. That's what they say. 00:08:13.949 --> 00:08:16.149 That's what they said. And it definitely sounds 00:08:16.149 --> 00:08:19.350 like it is their live sing. Like, it doesn't 00:08:19.350 --> 00:08:23.009 sound like it's super, super studio polished. 00:08:23.329 --> 00:08:25.649 Which I respect, because, I mean, they do sound 00:08:25.649 --> 00:08:29.209 incredible live. Right. I mean, when Cynthia 00:08:29.209 --> 00:08:33.169 Erivo sang at the Oscars, when she sang Defying 00:08:33.169 --> 00:08:36.960 Gravity, that was fucking... That's one of the 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.799 best live performances I've ever seen. So I do 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.840 respect that in this movie. But again, the songs 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.340 just weren't as good. Right. They weren't. And 00:08:46.340 --> 00:08:49.240 Cynthia Ravio is uber talented. I just think 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:54.000 her interviews should be cut. Dude, it's something 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:57.299 in the water at Oz. Yeah, I guess. This is the 00:08:57.299 --> 00:08:59.240 same thing with the Wizard of Oz people. They 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:03.960 just don't feed any of them for mealtime. It's 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:08.320 boot camp. yeah i'm trying to think of other 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:10.840 pieces to the cinematography that i liked i mean 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:12.480 you mentioned the judy garland thing that was 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.679 that was super cool i did i did like that and 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:19.200 the way they shot the death of alpha bow was 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.379 pretty neat with just showing a silhouette and 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:24.220 then dorothy like grabs her broomstick she's 00:09:24.220 --> 00:09:28.539 like yeah i mean while galinda just thinks that 00:09:29.629 --> 00:09:33.370 Elphaba has melted into the ground her best friend 00:09:33.370 --> 00:09:36.049 was just killed didn't it kind of just remind 00:09:36.049 --> 00:09:39.789 you of an old Disney villain death yes 100 % 00:09:39.789 --> 00:09:43.570 trying to think of one in particular but they've 00:09:43.570 --> 00:09:46.049 probably done that multiple times so the writing 00:09:46.049 --> 00:09:49.590 I kind of liked too just because it tied in the 00:09:49.590 --> 00:09:53.429 things with the Wizard of Oz but it's not an 00:09:53.429 --> 00:09:58.149 original script and it was didn't have any real 00:09:58.149 --> 00:10:01.830 plot holes though either i didn't i guess i didn't 00:10:01.830 --> 00:10:04.230 really fully grasp what was going on with the 00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:08.169 animals and the monkeys too and how that all 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:11.730 transpired i understood that the fact that you 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:16.490 know alphabet cannot she cannot do anything in 00:10:16.490 --> 00:10:19.610 this society because of how discriminated against 00:10:19.610 --> 00:10:21.190 she is, and she can't change the narrative whatsoever. 00:10:21.190 --> 00:10:22.970 Yeah, I think it was just like a racist, like, 00:10:22.990 --> 00:10:25.690 classist type thing. Like, the people of Oz were 00:10:25.690 --> 00:10:29.009 better than the talking animals or some shit, 00:10:29.049 --> 00:10:32.950 which is why they took away their voices. Right, 00:10:32.990 --> 00:10:35.610 and that stuff is interesting. I just thought 00:10:35.610 --> 00:10:37.889 maybe the overall plot... Also, fuck the munchkins. 00:10:38.490 --> 00:10:40.889 Yeah, fuck the munchkins. You can't travel, bitch. 00:10:41.470 --> 00:10:44.529 They should have just... Oh, because he liked 00:10:44.529 --> 00:10:48.159 Glinda more than her. Yeah, I mean, homeboy, 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.980 he said one or two things to her that were pretty 00:10:51.980 --> 00:10:55.340 genuine. He wasn't trying to be mean. He was 00:10:55.340 --> 00:10:57.259 like, I don't really like you anymore. You're 00:10:57.259 --> 00:11:01.919 taking rights away from animals, you know? Yeah. 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:03.980 I don't stand for that. I'm going to go, and 00:11:03.980 --> 00:11:06.139 I'm into this other girl, so I'm going to go 00:11:06.139 --> 00:11:09.940 over here. She's like, nah. You don't have freedom 00:11:09.940 --> 00:11:11.059 of speech, bitch. You're not going anywhere. 00:11:12.340 --> 00:11:17.529 Did she also... stops his heart with a spell 00:11:17.529 --> 00:11:23.470 and then blames her sister i know her sister 00:11:23.470 --> 00:11:27.090 then tag teams in and then turns him into the 00:11:27.090 --> 00:11:31.330 creepiest tin man of all time yeah dude i was 00:11:31.330 --> 00:11:35.409 hell bent on revenge he is pretty creepy in the 00:11:35.409 --> 00:11:38.190 wizard of oz too it's a weird he is yeah looks 00:11:38.190 --> 00:11:40.190 looks kind of weird when you go back but he was 00:11:40.190 --> 00:11:44.470 like uh I don't even remember watching the original 00:11:44.470 --> 00:11:46.450 Wizard of Oz. It was so long ago. But he seemed 00:11:46.450 --> 00:11:52.629 more jolly. This one he wanted to pillage villages 00:11:52.629 --> 00:11:57.490 and just murder people. Because of one thing 00:11:57.490 --> 00:12:00.350 that was said to him. He didn't even see Elphaba 00:12:00.350 --> 00:12:05.210 do this. I know, yeah. Elphaba saved him. I don't 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:10.090 know if you want to be saved at that point. I 00:12:10.090 --> 00:12:12.200 don't know. Life can't be that bad if you're 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.539 in that world. I'm sure there's a way you can 00:12:14.539 --> 00:12:19.399 reverse it or try to. Maybe not. I don't think 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:24.460 so. You can't reverse any of those things. That's 00:12:24.460 --> 00:12:29.220 why the monkeys had to keep their wings. We'll 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:35.340 never know. Let's score this. You went zero? 00:12:35.620 --> 00:12:40.250 No, I'm joking. I went six. Six flat. I went 00:12:40.250 --> 00:12:51.830 3 .5. Okay. Characters, I went 7 .5. 5 .0. Cinematography, 00:12:51.990 --> 00:12:59.789 I went 8 .0. 6 .0. Really? Yeah. Okay, so I guess 00:12:59.789 --> 00:13:02.230 if you just hate the music that much... I don't 00:13:02.230 --> 00:13:03.909 know, maybe I'm way too high on this. Writing, 00:13:03.970 --> 00:13:12.120 I went 8 .0. Writing, I went 5 .0. Oh my god. 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.659 I just didn't like it as much as you. That's 00:13:15.659 --> 00:13:21.039 okay. I think I'm just trying to appease to the 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.799 masses maybe more. Because I do appreciate how 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.460 it looks. I think that it just looks really clean. 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:32.799 You know? We went 6 .1 here. So, I'm keeping 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.620 it afloat here. We probably went a little higher 00:13:35.620 --> 00:13:39.220 for Wicked 1, but... I mean, I thought Wicked 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:44.059 1... was a much better movie than this one and 00:13:44.059 --> 00:13:47.740 you know what like we're not trying to i i think 00:13:47.740 --> 00:13:52.639 that's a totally just like rating because we're 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.340 probably just for being totally honest we're 00:13:55.340 --> 00:13:57.940 just fatigued of these movies because we've already 00:13:57.940 --> 00:14:00.600 seen the first one and now we know exactly what 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.100 this one's gonna be i'm just gonna keep seeing 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:07.320 interviews for it and uh and promo for it and 00:14:07.659 --> 00:14:10.059 I'm kind of just sick of Wicked, honestly. Well, 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.259 dude, that's the thing. Everyone knew this was 00:14:12.259 --> 00:14:13.879 going to be a huge movie. I don't know if this 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.759 happened to you, but I had to sit through 45 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.379 minutes of movie previews before watching this 00:14:20.379 --> 00:14:24.799 movie. I had a 7 p .m. showtime, and the movie 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.960 didn't start until 7 .45, 7 .50. It was close 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.519 to 8 p .m. when this movie started. That's insane 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.759 to me. Right. They should have to tell you what 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.740 the preview length is on your tickets. But AMC 00:14:37.740 --> 00:14:40.700 is generally 30 minutes for any of you who are 00:14:40.700 --> 00:14:44.240 wondering. But we always just show up, you know, 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.139 the movie's at 8. We show up at 8 .20. I know. 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.720 Yeah, that's reasonable. I expect like a good 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.779 15 to 20 minutes. But it was getting to a certain 00:14:54.779 --> 00:14:58.480 point where... the the theater was just busting 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.440 out laughing out loud when another preview popped 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.600 up on the screen it was like unbelievable yeah 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:06.940 like there's no way another one's gonna happen 00:15:06.940 --> 00:15:09.759 after this and then it would be fucking like 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.139 daddy's home three with mark walberg and you're 00:15:12.139 --> 00:15:14.419 like what the fuck is going on here they gotta 00:15:14.419 --> 00:15:16.039 chill with all this remember they were doing 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.860 the did you see the odyssey trailer after the 00:15:18.860 --> 00:15:21.279 original previews and after the nicole kidman 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:25.559 thing no we're talking about We didn't get an 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.519 Odyssey preview. It wasn't for this movie. I 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.440 saw this... When I saw... I don't remember the 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.940 movie. It might have been one battle after another. 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:37.679 I was just going to say, I'm trying to think 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.879 of another big movie. I think that's what it 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.820 was. So we went to AMC, and they showed the Nicole 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:47.039 Kidman promo thing that's hilarious, which is 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:49.000 like, heartbreak feels great in a place like 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:54.169 this. And then after that... which always is 00:15:54.169 --> 00:15:57.090 the start of the movie. They did a preview or 00:15:57.090 --> 00:16:01.529 a promo feature trailer of the Odyssey. It was 00:16:01.529 --> 00:16:04.809 nuts. It was a full minute long. I think it was 00:16:04.809 --> 00:16:06.970 a teaser trailer. I don't think it was two minutes, 00:16:07.029 --> 00:16:10.169 but I've seen it. I've seen it. I can't wait 00:16:10.169 --> 00:16:11.590 for that movie to come out. Yeah, it's going 00:16:11.590 --> 00:16:12.929 to be really good. All right, let's wrap this 00:16:12.929 --> 00:16:16.490 up though. So we give this a 6 .1. Go subscribe 00:16:16.490 --> 00:16:19.169 to us on YouTube. Follow us wherever you get 00:16:19.169 --> 00:16:21.470 your podcasts. We'll be back next Tuesday with 00:16:21.470 --> 00:16:24.899 another one. And peace out. Deuces.