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and they sent five of their holiest rabbis. One of them suffering from cancer,

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one of them on a wheelchair, one of them missed this flight and had to come late.

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Nune of Your Business, Oshii. None of your business, Michael.

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It's the None of Your Business podcast, hosted by Michael Oshii.

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All right, Oshii. Let's welcome everybody back to our next episode of the None of Your Business

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podcast. I'm excited. I'm eager because we have Jay Walden who's going to be joining us today.

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And one of the reasons why I'm excited is because I love the art of an argument or the debate.

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And Jay brings a whole new side of arguing when he's a little bit less sensitive than I am.

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And I hope to experience some of that today. This is, of course, sponsored by none other than

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PrimeSource. And we ask all of our listeners to please like, follow, and subscribe. It's very

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meaningful to us also because of the algorithms that happen in these systems. I think we're on

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15 different platforms. And it just helps us out when everyone just goes in and likes and follows

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and et cetera. Look, I just came back from an amazing, amazing wedding of my daughters in Israel.

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I have to save that for our next episode because we have a co-host with us, Jay, that we have so

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much to get into, especially what's going on in the world in Israel, army, religion. There's so

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much to talk about. I'm really, really excited. Yeah. My understanding that Jay has a lot to

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offer on this topic. I don't know Jay as well as you do. We've spoken a few times and he seems like

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a great guy. And I've heard him speak before and was in circles together with him. And it seems like

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he's intelligent. He has a lot to offer. And that's what we look for here. We're looking for people

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that can advance the conversations, that could enhance the conversations, and that we can learn

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something from. I could tell you that Jay fights the fight. I've experienced this. He is one of the

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partners of personal health care. They're an amazing operation made up of a few good men that are

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operating skillfully the skilled nursing home industry. And they fight for what they believe

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in. They're a people person company. And that's, my background of Jay is that we are friends,

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we're family friends, we're couple friends. We're just, we love the banter and the debate,

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just like you and I do all the time. And I'm excited for what it has to offer. I'm enthusiastic of

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what is going to bring out and what we're going to learn from it. Okay. I love it. Let's do it.

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Okay. So we'll start with the lechai regardless. Yes, always lechai.

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Lighting our candle and giving thanks and praises to God for bringing us to this moment

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in our journey of continued growth. And just want to say, right here, just so you know,

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you're very cheap on the amounts that you poured. I'm not sure why. I was just being lazy.

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Yeah. Okay. You can finish yours. I'm going to tap it off a little bit. Are you going to tap me off

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too? Yes. You're considerate. I'm a generous person. Sometimes. Jay, may I? Yes. Thank you, sir. The

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honors. Okay. Excellent. Guys, this week, I was at an event that was created by the grand rabbis of

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Israel. And as soon as I left my event, Jay and I had a little bit of an argument and it went on for a

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couple of minutes and I'm like, Jay, you're making a couple of good points. However, I don't really

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necessarily agree with you. Let's have it out in front of lights and cameras and mics. So,

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well, first tell us what this event was. We're meant to talk about. I just want to start with

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the fact. Facts are that in Israel, very recently, the high courts decided to cut funding for over

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50,000 students and effectively take away over a hundred million US dollars of funding to these

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students. Interesting. So, I was not even aware that there was a time that the government was

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funding anything for the Yeshevas, for the schools. I didn't even know that. I don't think there was

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a time that they weren't. I think since the agreement was from the beginning of the state of

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Israel that the study of Torah is just as equally as important as the fighting of war. And it's

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been funded ever since, from my understanding. Okay, that's very strange. Because here in America,

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it's not how it works. Here's not how it works. The government subsidizes schools. They give

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grants and they give the same amounts to everybody. They don't give anything to private schools. I

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think they get a little bit for bussing and they get a little bit here, a little bit there. But are

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you talking about the private schools in Israel? Are you talking about like, is there a public

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school concept in Israel? It's all schools. That's the way it's looked upon. So, there's no private

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schools in Israel? I believe there are some private schools, but this is government funding for all

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schools. Just like in Israel, everyone gets health insurance. Same concept. And they fund the entirety

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of all the expenses for the school? They are funding at least most of the expenses of the school,

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and they decided that they want the students that are over 18 at least to go to the army. And

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their argument was that they want the bottom 20. And their point was, you could just give us,

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we're not going to argue with you and say that we need all 100% of these types of students. But if

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you're not going to give us the bottom, then we're not going to allow the funding completely. And

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they argued and they lost and they decided that they're going to preach, we are not bankrupt,

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and we are going to go to America and they're going to fundraise the money needed. And they sent

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five of their holiest rabbis, one of them suffering from cancer, one of them on a wheelchair,

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one of them missed this flight and had to come late. These are people in their 80s and 90s who

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risked their lives to come here. And kudos to them, in my opinion, that they made the trip to come

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here to stand up for what they believe in. That's number one. Can we all agree upon that?

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Agreed. I agree with you as well. I just want you to know that I'm still very shady and gray as

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to what's really going on with the money, the whole situation. I'm quite interested.

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point. They're no longer giving that money. The state of Israel is no longer funding that amount

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that we're funding until now. And who are these people that are taking a stand and saying, we

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don't need you, we'll do it ourselves? So Jay and I here have a history of arguing. We love the art

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of argument. And I am very sensitive and he is not sensitive at all. Correct. So when he walks

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into the room and your stomach is big, he'll ask you what month you're in. Whereas I may be a little

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more sensitive to that. So we started arguing about the point and I said, listen, they're here to do

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a good thing and they're supporting the continuing learning for these students and Jay just had it.

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No, well, you get into it. Well, I'll tell you, I don't think we actually even had an argument.

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You posted because here and there you have a tendency of posting a picture of yourself at this

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fundraiser with all these rabbis and you made a nice positive comment with it about, wow,

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it's amazing what they're doing. And so my natural response to you was, you're obviously there to

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give money to them, right? You're not just there to post status. So means you agree with it? Are

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you giving money to them? And I guess on your way back, you called me and you, you, of course,

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yeah, you want to give money there. So my only question was to you, what, what, what is, so is

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this money going instead of other money? What, where does this place in the order of priority?

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a shul does a fundraiser and they say, okay, Walden family 5000 and Greenfield family 5000.

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I had a problem years ago with this challenge and I always said it's not nice. It's pompous.

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It's egotistical for someone to say how much they're giving and they stand up proudly as a 10,000.

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You know, there are shuls at the Hamptons that raise in one Shabbos over a million dollars.

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I'm saying like we're doing millions of dollars that get raised and they do this and what I ended

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up finding out was what I used to think was generally not nice. I actually am a big advocate

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of now, which is inspiring others to give. So yes, I went not because I had a million dollars to be

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one of a hundred people and I don't think it was a matter of that. I think they needed thousands

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of people to all contribute. I went because I believed in the cause that these rabbis are spending

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their time and energy to come here out of respect to them. If they're asking for it,

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I'm going to answer and I'm going to give something and I'm going to be there. And of course,

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I was there to cover it because it was fascinating to me and I was invited by my rabbi, Rabbi Berger,

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who I chaperoned and it was a great experience. I like that. But again, for context, just so

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we understand each other, Israel funding cut over a hundred million dollars, funding needed.

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the army because their belief is that every single student needs the opportunity to learn. So what's

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wrong with that? But I just listened to you and very well articulated. I understand a little bit

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better right now and I think this is a beautiful story. What exactly is the problem with?

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Yeah. So for purposes of this, I'm going to make one statement that I think is factual. So let's

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say they came here for argument sake and they're asking for a hundred million dollars. If they

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receive a hundred million dollars, that's being taken away from others, other charities. I don't

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even agree. Okay. So let's let's look at one second. We can make a point. It is being taken away from

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others. It'll be justified. Maybe it's not. You can say that every day. But by giving money,

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this kind of money to one thing, you have less to give to the other thing. That's by default.

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I think so. But let's say Michael doesn't agree. So let's show that argument for a second. Let's

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put that aside. There's enough money for everyone. So hypothetically, let's go with that it's not

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taking away for everyone for now. My question is like this. So therefore, obviously, their age and

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their health condition, it talked to you that the fact that they put themselves in danger

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to come here to ask for this number, a drastic number, et cetera, and it's important to them.

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I'm not so I'll go on the assumption that we all agree that Torah is important. But

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how much is this amount of money really needed? Is it why are they why are you so convinced and

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so sure that the proper thing is that all these amount of people should be sitting and learning?

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Because Rabbi Akiva took 40 years to figure himself out, which means that every student there

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counts. That's their argument. Their argument is, and this is our argument, I guess, is that every

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single student counts. Don't dictate to me which student gets the opportunity to study Torah and

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protect the physical army with our spiritual army, essentially, and tell us, oh, this one, he doesn't

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need it. Don't don't govern me what needs to happen in terms of me running the religion, which

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we've been doing for hundreds, you know, of thousands of years in general, in terms of

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understanding that a person has the opportunity to study Torah and really grow and change his life.

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So this money is going to be a stipend for these individuals that are learning, they use it to

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live. Is that what this money is for? I'm not 100 percent sure. I know the money is used to fund them.

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Yes, to fund them. They're living. Yeah, it's a call. It's a basic expense. So they can remain.

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And I'm going to say, I mean, I'm not sure which expenses or what it goes. No, but he's right.

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Almost, he's right. So that they can remain in Kolo and therefore, as long as they're under the

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jurisdiction of this Kolo, now they're exempt from the army because they're in this school.

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Now, if you're not getting the funding from them, then you're not in that school. Now you have to

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go to the army. Correct. So this, I don't know, how is this different than like in Lakewood,

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like the big schools, they're raising money so they can stay in Kolo and they can continue to

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learn. Why is this any different? I don't think it's different at all. I think it's a very good

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point. I don't think it's the same exact thing. They're coming here and people feel that sometimes,

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you know, poor people in our disrobing is more important or in this case, because it's going

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to save them from the army, which is that, which is that. I think what maybe what I'm hearing is

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people are upset that the Israeli government toward Jewish sort of themselves is taking that money

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away and they are not appreciating the other side here. They're not appreciating the people

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that are learning. They don't think it's important enough that they're dialing back that money.

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And I think that hurts a little bit more. Is that like, well, I think that's obvious because I think

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that's a fundamental argument that's been going on in Israel for many years is where there's

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there's demonstrations and there's a constant argument that it goes back as long as I can remember

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that people are always demonstrating against the charade that are exempt. Why are you guys exempt

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because you are sitting and doing, you know, what you call studying, etc. And we're sending our kids

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to the front lines. So that has been an ongoing argument, which I think is prevalent. And I

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think everyone agrees with my question to Michael, which my question to Michael was is

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what if it's coming to this, or maybe even and forget even Israel and you want to go on

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an issue on your point and Lakewood is why there I'll phrase it by saying is there's been in the

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past couple of years, I believe a very strong push from a few people, a few business people

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to increase the stipends in Lakewood, right. And there's a whole event they had one recently,

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one a few Sundays ago in Philly, and they rent out the whole Wells Fargo Center. And the point of

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that from my understanding, I haven't been there. But the point of that entire celebration, let's

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call it is that I think they call it a dear Torah is we want to respect the Torah. We want to respect

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the people that are learning Torah, which I think is is actually it's different than what I've heard

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before. But it's it sounds amazing. It sounds like a great thing. Don't you let let's take the world

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that we live in as a perfect example, which I think is always a good illustration.

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If you want to become a doctor or a lawyer or or anything in this, right. So you work hard,

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you study hard to get into the better schools that are going to potentially give you a better

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education that will then potentially give you a better percentage of getting that better job

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somewhere else. Ultimately, you have to do well, you have to prove yourself well, and only the elite

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people in their fields end up becoming more successful, right. I and people you'll hear

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people say I have the best attorney in this and I have the best doctor, the best accountant,

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because what makes them the best, because they've earned that respect, whether it was, you know,

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in throughout their life. If we treat it, and I'm not saying necessarily to do the same exact thing,

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but the problem that I have is that people that work hard and are giving their time and energy

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and effort for their wife and kids are treated worse, in my opinion, than the fallback option.

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If you don't want to go to work, if you're lazy, if you're not interested or in providing for your

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family, all you have to do in Lakewood Society and in this is say, oh, I'm in learning, I'm learning.

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you. There, I don't know the percentages of the people that are really learning or not, but if we,

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why isn't there a system in place that awards the people that are learning and learning properly

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and being able to contribute and therefore coming, taking a percentage of them and saying is you earned

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this position, you earned this ability to continue learning it. And you know what, the bottom X%

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of it, you, unfortunately, you tried it, it's great, you can, you should definitely continue

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learning at night and in the mornings and whatever you want, but you have to go get a job. Why are

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we as a site, it's the same thing. And if you think about it in the medical school, or if you

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think in any other thing, right, they're all, they're going to do their interviews and they're

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going to look at applications and you want to get into Harvard, you have to come from a higher

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caliber. They're not, they're accepting a tiny, you know, percentage of the people of the applications

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of a year that come into Harvard. And you're very passionate about this. And I have to tell you,

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I'm resonating with what you're saying. I never even thought about this. And as you're speaking,

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I'm thinking to myself, how many people are out there actually taking advantage of the system?

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How many people are right now in COLA, let's call it. And they're not really that interested in

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learning. It's not really a very thing, but it's an easier type of lifestyle for them. And they're

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sort of getting away with it. And they're just, they're just winging it for as long as they can.

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I'm sure there's a percentage of people that are like that. I don't know how much, I don't know if

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it's 30%, 10%. But we can all agree that there is no system in place to weed it out, right? And there's

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no regulations around this. It's right now as easy as I want to learn, I'm going to go to one of the

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COLA's and expect, you know, by the way, they don't get a lot of money, these guys. I don't, I

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find it hard to believe that people are using this forum to make a better life for themselves,

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because they're getting very little money. They're not living in luxury. It's very difficult, very,

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very difficult to have this type of lifestyle. But doesn't mean that there shouldn't still be some

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type of accountability over this. There should be some type of oversight as to where this money is

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going. Because let's face it, there isn't endless amounts of money. And the money should be spent

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wisely. I think this is what big government's problem always is, is that they don't allocate

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the funds appropriately, and they waste money. There's so much waste going on. We should get

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into the government argument, big government, little big government, little government, or

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a lot of line is when you privatize something, it's more successful, it's more efficient,

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it's more efficient. Right now, it seems like this whole thing is more sort of public. It's

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I don't know who's running it, who makes these decisions. Are there a couple of these very,

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very wealthy individuals that are backing certain rabbis and together they're making decisions for

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everybody? Like who's actually steering the ship? Is there somebody? Is there a person? Is there a

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group of people? Is there an organization? Like what's, who's at the helm here? I mean, before

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you go on the broadcast, I will just say that's a very good question. There might be people out

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of that afterwards that hear this and they'll say, yes, there are. I don't believe that there are

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people that are doing that. And for example, it'll be the outside. I'm right here. No, but I don't

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believe it. I'll give you the answer. Okay. So before you give me the answer, I want to give you

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one quick story that happened to me a couple of weeks ago. A friend of mine's son, you know,

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what's up to me from Israel that he's, he just got married. He's in Kolo in Israel. And he's like,

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hey, I'm raising money from my Kolo. Oh, you got it. It's the, you would love it. You, you got to

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give me money. This is the best, the most chilled out Kolo. You know, we come, you know, it starts

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late in the morning. Every Thursday we have this massive kid-ish. Huh? I mean, it sounds like a

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cool. Yeah, I do love that stuff. It sounds like a great play. I should contribute because you have

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meaning there's a, there's a school in Muncie that, that, you know, for example, you know,

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I don't want to mention names, but that was, you know, open for many, many years. Some wealthy guy

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had a son in law that was what he considered a learned guy. Maybe he is, I don't know him.

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He bought the school, right? He bought the school because it for his, for his son in law.

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So anybody in the lake with the word, wherever that is that wants to have a business today,

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oh, they, they open up a school. I'm a rushy shoe. You want to become a barber today. You need a

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certification. Let alone a lawyer open up a school, take 400 kids and my responsibility. No

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problem. And then federal bear, then fundraise. Yeah, fundraise and then, and then do all this.

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Why? And lastly, and your point you made it before, which is a very good point or she is that

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they don't make that much money. That's a great point. You know what I'll say is,

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let's put in a system in place that only the best of the best get out of it and then let's pay them

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better. Let's pay them better. Why should a Rebbe make 40, 50, $60,000? If they go through a rigorous

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system and they know that there's a few school, the few Colos that are putting it, people that are

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good learners, you're not, not so bad. Go through the Colo system. Good people meaning the people

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that are actually there nine in the morning, they're there until five in the afternoon straight,

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they're learning the entire time. They actually care about it. They're genuine about it. You mean

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those kind of people. Honestly, I'm not, I'm not an educator, but what I would say is let there be

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in every big city or even multiple in the city similar to colleges. I want to go into education.

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All right. So I'll go and in Lakewood to the big Lakewood, call it Lakewood, Yashiva. And over there,

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there I'm going to be part of their teaching, you know, a program. And I'm going to take tests

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how to become a good teacher, which is going to include obviously learning, but also how to deal

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with kids, how to deal with, you know, people getting on my nerves, et cetera. So that when I

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know, and that there's a 10th grade rabbi job opening up in Lakewood or in Muncie, there's going

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to be a lot of applicants applying for that, similar to a lawyer that wants to get into a,

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you know, into a high, you know, prestigious firm. And they're going to vet them out and they're

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going to deal with the schools. And ultimately, that should be a starting salary of $150,000.

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This guy, we're giving, we're giving so much money to these people, but everybody's opening

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schools. And that's what I was saying before is that all this money is going to be taken away

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from other places. If you had a centralized system, if you had where only the best people

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that are being successful in what they're going for, you know, have a separate school for Sophress

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and a separate one for Mila and a separate one for Shkita and only the best of the best are coming

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out and we'll pay these people more. So you're questioning this $107,000, $140,000, I don't know

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what the million, million dollars that they're here to raise. You're actually wondering, is all

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that money actually necessary? I don't think it's necessary. Where's the money going? And we have a

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bigger problem. In general, how are we as a Jewish nation? How are we going to monitoring this?

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It seems almost like it's very frivolous. It hasn't been regulated for a long time. We took

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things for granted. Maybe it's time to actually look at this a little more carefully. Let's

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scrutinize this. Let's pay them more. Let's actually pick them up. They're not just, they don't

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deserve to live sometimes and squalor these people. Sometimes they literally have no money. They can't,

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it's so disrespectful. They should live just like us, if not better. They're serving God in

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a better way than we are technically. So, but not everybody is up for this. Not every single person

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has the right to fit into that bill. And we should be a little more careful. So what you're kind of

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questioning is where's the money going? How are we spending it? You know, right now, I compared

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to Michael to big government because that's what they do. They just tax its unlimited money.

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They don't really care. They don't have to work for the money. So they spend it. They spend it so

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quickly and endlessly. And it's such a waste. But the minute you start actually, you know,

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putting people like here, you privatize it, there's a profit to be turned. Suddenly, they put systems,

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they put rules, they put regulations, and there's order. It's no longer chaos. Let me weigh into

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this. Starting with saying, I completely agree with what you ended with, which is to be paid based

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on what you're worth on things that you go through in education. In fact, we spoke about this a while

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ago that there are certain schools that are paying more for the teachers and the rabbi,

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because they're qualified and they're, you know, they're educators, they're real educators,

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to go through the system. I agree with you guys on that. But on everything else, I completely

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disagree. Like, we have to go back to the ABCs and to the fundamentals of why this is on our heads,

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what this represents, who we are as a people, how we started, and where we are today. So first of

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all, let's back up guys and realize that the state of Israel is a state of Jewish people. And the

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Jewish people started off with people that are learning and traveling. And of course, money

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is necessary and business is important. But there's an understanding that there's a value

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to learning Torah. I'm not saying you disagree, but you're creating certain standards of

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create of learning the Torah. And I want to answer this with answering your other question.

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Michael, can I please become the rabbi for your child? And with this, can I, can I be,

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would you be comfortable with me being a rabbi? I imagine not. Because I'm going to ask, I'm not

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qualified. I'm going to ask the Lord saying is not every single person should be out there,

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learn and pay and get paid and tapping into that find when it's being now used because they decided

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to buy I want to be an accountant that I'm trying, I'm trying, I don't pass any tests. I don't

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be I fail the CPA course. No company wants to hire me. But I'm paper. I'm still every day going

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to thing and I'm trying to become an accountant that I'm relying on you to pay me. I can't

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actually disagree with you guys. Okay. And I'm going back into it. I'm going to explain to you

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why. Because when you decide to lead a color life, it's not a luxury life. Everyone who's in the

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color life is suffering financially to some capacity. Some people are not having luxury.

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It just wanted easy. They don't need luxury. They don't need fans of things, but they don't want

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to work guys. They don't want to do anything. And they're happy with that lifestyle. It's irrelevant.

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And you're and we're condoning them because all we're enabling get a lot of waste. Right. You

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asked the question earlier, who's taking charge? Who's leading this? Guys, there are leaders.

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They're called God all had doors, right? So which is the leaders of our generation. Now,

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I can't tell you which leader is more qualified than the next, but I could tell you that when a

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minion of them, when 10 of them get together and they decide what's good for their people,

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just like the head of a whole L decides who to accept. And the onus is on that coal L when Jay

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got that call to fundraise for that coal in Israel, he'd be smart to give money to that call and not

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any other coal that he's involved with because here he has a Roche coal L ahead of the call that

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he can rely upon. You know what? It's so nice that they're giving kiddish to inspire them to come

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back and learn more. That's a beautiful thing. So my point is the Torah learning does not require

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anything other than being Jewish. I'm Jewish. I decide to lead a life of anxiety from a financial

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standpoint, but the word and the meaning of Torah is meaningful for me, whether it's meaningful for

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five minutes a day, whether it's meaningful for five hours a day, I choose this lifestyle that's

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given to me that is actually, it's I'm protected. I'm Jewish. This is part of our nation. This is our

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club. This is our world. I know that people have my back because it's the whole idea of

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Yisachar's vullen. We're totally forgetting about that, which means that I'm paying for someone and

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I'm getting some of his credit and he's getting some money from me. That entire concept is what

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we're really talking about here. That's the fundamental. Michael, you're putting a blanket

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over the real issue here. We all reconceptually that there is this concept of some people are

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working and some people are learning and we're even willing to agree with you. And I don't know

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if this is what you said, but I'll say it. I think that people that are learning are better than us.

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I think they're the real people that are holding up this world. True. What we're saying is that

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these are bottom, these 10 people that came, they're coming here for a broad idea. We need money.

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Absolutely. We need to keep this. We need money. That's all that. That's what we agree with. That's

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fine. What we are kind of zoning in on is a little bit more granularly. We need $107 million.

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Because we want to show the government something. We want to show the government something.

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Exactly. But it's not that we want to produce the best people, not produce the best people,

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because it's not of our business. That's my point. It's to give the ability for these people to learn

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as opposed to going to the army where we know there's going to be issues with their lifestyle.

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It's going to change. It's not going to lend them the opportunity to continue learning if they want

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to as much as it would if they were sitting and learning. It's the fundamental argument here that

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you guys are not getting in my opinion, which is how much do you value one word of Torah being

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word by that person that decides that he wants to learn? Who's governing it? The Roj Kohl.

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Who's governing this whole five leaders who came to America? Who's overseeing it? All the

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rabbinical leaders. And ultimately, I just want to say, you cannot compare Lakewood Kohl to Israel

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Kohl for the army, because this is an army issue. This is a fundamental issue. It's not just the

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Kohl issue. But regardless, look, maybe there's a little merit to what you're saying. And maybe

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it's not exactly the same. Okay. In your case, can you make that it's not the same? I agree. But I

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think what we were talking about, Jay, and it sounds like you and I are agreeing on this, is that just

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in general, when you're talking about the people that are going out of 1920s all to get married,

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I'm going to Kohl. And they do it for 10, 15, 20 years sometimes, look for a long time. There's no

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accountability. There needs to be accountability. And you're not doing them a favor. It's actually

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not meant for them possibly. Maybe it's not even meant for them. Maybe they could have done better.

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They'll be happier in life. They'll raise better kids. They'll have better outcomes if they actually

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went a different. And then just accept it. Hands down. Because somebody says I want, because a

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lot of them are not doing it for the right reason, right? And I'm completely disagreeing. And I think

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it's time to move on from this topic. We could. But I'm going to say that the Khabitzkheim, for

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example, maybe I'm wrong on the person was also a shoemaker. And there were many examples of the

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people in it. And the times have changed now a lot where people could just have a fallback option.

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I'm in Kohl. And what I said before is, so therefore, there are people that are working 12,

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13 hour days that are trying to put food on the table. And they're not that successful, unfortunately.

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And they are the ones who are being in a way. I'm not going to say I'll say use the word punished

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as an example, because there's no one of these agreements. There's none of these organizations

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like you have Khaas, they live and all these other ones that are there before Pesach to give money

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to our bay and to their teachers. Right. But what about all the people that are actually trying hard

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and the hardworking people? And I think that ultimately, and we could move on, but maybe

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offer off the record, we could continue our argument about this, because I do think that

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you're making a big mistake and that ultimately, if there's a quantity versus quality is where your

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argument is. And I say it's quality Torah versus quantum, not in Torah. That's my argument. Your

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argument is quality, quantity versus quality. When it comes to anyone who wants to learn Torah.

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Yes, because ultimately, they're risking the quality of their life. They're freezing milk.

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They're not saving their sending their kids to camp. They're not going on vacation.

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They're making those decisions because they want to get away from the army.

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No, because they want to learn Torah. Are there a few that are making that excuse? Yeah, but it's

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on the head of the Colo to have checks and balances. That's my argument. That makes sense.

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All right. That makes sense. I hear it a little bit, but I disagree. So how's the podcast business

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doing? I will tell you, Jay, having someone like you as a co-host with us makes it very, very interesting.

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You know, we've been helping define how our podcast is going. You've listened to the

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first few. How do you think it's going? I love it. I love it. Well, I'll tell you honestly,

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I love it because I know both of you. Michael, I know you obviously a lot longer.

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I know that you have a lot of passion for whatever you do. A lot of times you jump into things and

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just because of the moment and seeing you following you through this and sometimes

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feeling red in the face when I'm looking at your status just being embarrassed for you.

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But now seeing that the other side where this, you know, is actually has been so far really awesome.

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And remembering, I actually even met Oshe once after you told me the idea. I met him at

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Abar Mitzvah and I said, oh, I heard you're doing this with Michael. He's no chance, Jay.

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No chance. He said to me, zero chance. I'm not doing it. I said, what do you mean? Michael told me

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you're doing it. He says, did I say I'm doing it? I said, no, Michael, I am not doing it. So I

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enjoy watching that that's coming to fruition and seeing, you know, that you're actually enjoying it.

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But I'll tell you that when we strategized to have a podcast, it was over a year ago. It was

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thinking that, okay, we have to be, you know, ahead of the curve, we have to think outside the box.

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What are people doing to stay relevant and, you know, getting our message out and, you know,

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and it evolved tremendously. But I will tell you as a teachable moment, I have been like that my

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entire life, and I'm not afraid to share it. My entire life, if I see something I want, I go after

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it. It made me lose money. It made me lose friends, and it made me gain friends, and it made me make

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money. But ultimately, what I've learned from the process of jumping into it, never jump into it

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unprepared. It's nice to jump into a lake because the lake is cool. It's, you know, it's hot outside.

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But if you're going into a lake that has alligators, you got to think twice, right? If you're going to

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a lake that's deep, you should have a life vest on. If there are waves coming in, you know, and

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you have to think about it before you jump in. And to be honest with you, years of just, you know,

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error, trial and error, and learning from mentors and asking people and understanding

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fundamentals of life and how to behave took me to where I am today in terms of you're seeing the

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progression. It started off with a little bit of a status, that, you know, a little bit of, you know,

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marketing, branding, LinkedIn here and there. So yeah, I'm enjoying watching it. But how I'm curious

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on your end, how is it? Jay, to answer your question, we actually did pretty well, I think,

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in the first podcast, but what really says the story is the second podcast, we doubled our viewers.

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And that means that we technically retained all the people that listened the first time and we got

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new people as well. So a lot of pressure on you because we're expecting like the least triple,

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you know, viewers from this. So we have high hopes. Yeah, unless our first podcast had one

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listener. Well, we're not going to go there. No, no, no, no, no, no, you can't go there. You know,

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but by the way, that's funny that you say that because that reminds me of an interesting,

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let me ask you a question, is she? Yeah. Actually, Michael, awesome. In the history of the United

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States of America, do you know what the most dangerous profession has been to date? In the

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history of the United States, what has been the most dangerous profession? Well, let's try to

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figure it out. I'm going to try. I'm a bread slicer. No. What are those people who they work

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out of bridges, and they work in tunnels, right? They're always like, you see them high up in

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the scaffold. Yeah, and you're always wondering like they're tied down because if they fall,

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that's a long way down. That's a good guess. No, not that. No, not that. Okay, let's think of another

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a fishing, I guess. Oh, wait a second, wait a second. Being a police officer. Oh, I mean,

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you're putting yourself smart. Yeah, firefighter. What a firefighter. You know, that's got to be a

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dangerous job. So you actually just call me off guard. I'll go with the firefighter one, and I'll

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say no. But you know that I did not think you would guess it because I don't think anyone would

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guess it. Police officer is the correct answer. But you know that and you know why? Because over

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9% of police officers in the United States in the history have been killed in line of duty.

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So when you think of it, most people, when you ask them this question, they're going to think of

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something with the amount of people, the effort, yeah, where people that go diving in the ocean,

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or they do this and that. But police officers, because there's not that many of them, but

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in percentage, percentage wise, which is similar to your podcast being doubling. And that's why I

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thought of it. So we're going to have to percentage wise, you say you're ready. Yes. No, no, we have

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high expectations. We're not looking for percentage. We're looking for an actual, actual doubling.

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But we were talking before about religion. We're talking about sort of, we're talking about extreme

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religion, one can argue, right? We're talking about ultra orthodox, we're talking about extreme

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government. Yeah, extreme, big government, big government, we're talking about. There was actually

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a very interesting incident that happened about, I want to say a month or two ago, and it really

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caught the world by storm. And there was there was a lot of opinions on this that went both ways.

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Christian, I know where the two of you stand on this. We're ready. Yeah. And it's very interesting.

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So the Kansas City Chiefs, they're a football team. They have a seriously, come on.

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Putting it out, not everybody's into sports. Okay, okay. Okay. Doesn't matter. Yeah. So they're a

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football team. And this individual's name is Harrison Butker. And he's a kicker. That's his job. He

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kicks field goals. He's actually very talented. He's actually a celebrated kicker. He's very good

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at his at his role. I think he might even be the in the league history, he might be one of the better

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field goal kickers. And I'm telling you this, because I want you to know that this guy has

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credibility. This guy is not a no name football player. He's not just somebody that when he says

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something or does something, nobody cares. He's a guy that is pretty well known. I think actually

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this year, he had a fantastic percentage. He actually was able to kick I think 95% more of his

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kicks were field goals 95%. So he was invited to speak at a graduation for college. And he gave

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a very what people called a very controversial speech. It was a pretty long speech. I recommend

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you go back and you watch it. He said a lot of different things there. But overall, his messaging

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that people took away was that he was sort of defining the roles between a man and a woman,

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which is always a very dangerous topic, especially in the times that we live in. And the way he was

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portraying a woman was more to be a housewife to be a mother. And it's a beautiful thing. You should

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be proud of it. We should have more people like that. It was that was sort of what he and it was

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in my opinion, I thought it was fine. It was okay. And it was he didn't say anything that stood out

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to me that he was telling people what to do. And if you have a career, then you're terrible. He wasn't

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applying that from a religious standpoint, according to him, a man sort of has his place

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in the family, a woman has her place. And that was his message to the girls on that we're graduating.

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People went berserk. This is this is so chauvinistic. This is terrible. What are we living

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in the 1930s? This is this is crazy. Women are way more than just housewives these days. And they

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totally missed the entire perspective that he is a religious person that devout religious person.

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And when you think of religion, they live for God, they don't live for anything else, not about

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materialistic things, not about this world. It's about the world to come. And it's about

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serving God. And they believe that this is the best way to serve God. And that's fine. I'm okay with

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it. I'm okay with it. Me as a person looking from the outside. That's fine with me. I don't choose

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to have that lifestyle and that's that's okay. What I don't understand is why did people feel

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compelled to jump down his throat and to go totally berserk on this? It was it because of some

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self defense? They feel maybe a little guilty? Do they feel like with a jealous of this person

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that he, you know, that maybe he's authentic? It's possible. And I'm not sure what it was. I have no

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idea. But one thing is clear. There is a big divide right now, a huge divide when it comes to religion,

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that even people that aren't religious or are religious when it comes to extreme religion,

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people go nuts. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me. I live my life. I respect those that

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live theirs. And so does he. But unfortunately, like you started off saying, he's a very well

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respected person. Any well respected person has to be careful what they say. Why? Because it's

447
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sending a message. So you're asking why did people get offended by it or what rubbed them the wrong

448
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way? What may have rubbed them the wrong way is we know you're a superstar, you're getting up there

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to send a message. That's what you decide to talk about. A message of forget your career, be a house

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wife and a mom. We're not saying it's not important, but maybe that's what rubbed people the wrong way.

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I don't get it. I don't agree. I don't agree. His message was spot on in the sense that it was

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relevant because he was talking to people that were graduating. And now they're going to make a

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career choice. Are they going to go out into the workforce? Are they going to go get a career? Or

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they're going to focus on, you know, getting married and having kids and having a family.

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You know, that's the, they're at the crossroads right now. So that's when he boarded up. It was a

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very appropriate speech. And he shared his view. He shared what he thought was the right path. I

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actually, that's what it was. That's what it was. The Irish word J thing. I'm with you. He has a

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platform. He has to be very careful when he says out there, but he's untitled. His opinion could

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everybody else could give their opinions of what they want to do. He can't. So here's my take.

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What was the basis of his opinion that he gave? Well, you said it, right? What was the base?

461
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Where did that come from? His opinion? It was a belief based on what? Religion.

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Okay. So it was a venue issue. If he would have said that in church, I don't think he would have

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got that, that, that, that response. Good, good answer. You go, don't go to a, a, a, actually,

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I like him as a player. I think he's the second, you know, highest, you know, field goal percentage in

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NFL history, I think today, but I knew it was something. Yeah. I think he was like a drop

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under 90%. But don't go to a, if it was a commencement speech or a graduation, we're talking about careers

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and give your religious beliefs that have to do with careers, right? It's a venue issue.

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It was, but I would like to argue aside though for a second. If I, I'm resonating now.

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Yeah. What's what you're saying? Yeah. You're saying that it wasn't the right time and place.

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I was saying when I said it, you didn't understand. No, I didn't. That's exactly what I said.

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The way he, you know, but thank you for explaining it properly. You're welcome. Anytime, Michael.

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I'll be here all week. Had he done this speech in like a church, for example, where people want to

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talk about religion and what's your perspective of religion, what does God want from us,

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then okay, that's his opinion. That's great. And it would have been fine. But because he was out in

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the public where let's face it, people are in college for a degree to go to work. That's the

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purpose of it. Why are you treating the women differently than the men? Why are you saying

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a message to the women that, oh, maybe you shouldn't work. Maybe you should do something else.

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If, for example, in this past Shabbos in your shul, your rabbi gets up there and he gives us a

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speech and in the speech, he quotes a part of the Torah that says that, you know, Jews are not a lot

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of intramary, right? Let's say it comes out and he continues about his day. No one says a word.

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If he goes to college, a college at campus anywhere and he suddenly says, you know,

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you know, Jews are not a lot of intramary and that's not even a career related item. There's

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going to be demonstrations. Oh, these Jews think they're better. I just want to point out that

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for me, this satisfies me and I think this is a great answer. But I want you to know that the

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people that were upset weren't necessarily upset just like where he did it. They actually

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fundamentally disagreed with him even if, and that's what they were upset. I don't know if they

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realized it necessarily, of course, they're fundamentally. Yeah, that's what like, you know,

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which like, let live, live and let live, you know, somebody has their opinion, their lifestyle, just

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do your thing. Why do you have to jump down their throat? Yeah, Michael, what were you saying?

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First of all, I mean, you know, we could talk about that all day, live and let live concept,

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you know, and how it affects us. But I'm just making his argument for a second, if you will.

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And that is that I'm here at a venue right now and I have a chance to impact young boys and

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young girls. Okay. And I'm not saying who should be the parent and who should go out to work,

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but sometimes it happens that one versus the other goes out. So maybe, just maybe he was giving them

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encouragement and saying, I know you finished school now, you're going to go out in your career,

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it's okay to also raise a family. And he was trying to tell the people that it's not just about the

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money. It's not just about the career. It's about raising family. Don't forget the fundamentals.

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Don't forget the foundation of what you're doing here. Take your career that you studied so hard on,

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utilize that maybe to work part time while you're raising a family, but his focus was raising a

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family and I actually resonate with that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, by the way, I have a,

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I'm not going to say, you know, who it is, but a pretty close friend. She's a woman.

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And she is the works for an organization. She works for a company, very big company,

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very, very big company. They own a lot of nursing homes. And she's actually their lead

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MDS coordinator, meaning she's in charge of their revenue. She's really a very vital part of the

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organization. And I believe that if she wasn't a woman, she would be a nursing home owner today.

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I believe she would own a lot of nursing homes. I should be very successful. She would thrive at

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it. What's holding her back? And this is a woman. That's it. I think that, you know, as a Jewish

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person, it became very like, you know, mainstream for them to not be in the workforce. And when

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they are in the workforce, somehow it seems like they're not getting, they're not getting their

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dues. They're not getting their dues. I don't know. I don't know why it is. It's a hot topic.

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You're bringing up. And by the way, we're going to have Renee come on to the podcast very soon.

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And this is a question I really want to ask her is how can we change that perception?

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Oh, you're giving away all our secrets here. But it's okay. But the question is, I agree with you,

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Oshiba. My question to you is how much of the reason is based on the world around the person

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versus the person itself? Meaning she could, and I know of, I don't know personally, but I know of

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nursing home owners that are women, right? Michael and I have a very close friend

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who's a well, a couple and she owns a nice, she owns a title company that's doing well, right?

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So how much of it is that this woman that you're referring to, doesn't feel comfortable because

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of whatever their surroundings are. And she doesn't want to take that step. She's a powerhouse.

520
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And tremendous, tremendous personality and work ethic like you've never seen before.

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And I'm just using her as an example. There are so many more that are very capable,

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have tremendous talent, and they're just not taken as seriously because it's a man's world.

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I don't agree. So you're saying that it's the first part, that it's the world around that's not

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allowing you to do it. Yes. I don't agree. I don't agree. I believe that, and you guys are giving

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me examples of very successful women who run big companies. No, but you know why I do. You're

526
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right. You could give me some examples. You know why I can't? But they all are and few and between.

527
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I can't because they all listened to Harrison and they went to stay home and they didn't go out and

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pursue. It just happens to be percentage wise, women do stay more home than they do go out.

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So you're not going to ask a question of why are women not given the right

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a bank, an operator, an administrator, a clinical director would love the opportunity for a woman

531
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to say, Hey, I'm buying a nursing home. Everybody's ready for a woman to buy a nursing home. There

532
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are women that own nursing home. Michael, let's agree. I'm friends with them. Let me ask you

533
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something. Let's be realistic for a second. If you're the bank, okay, you're Greystone and you're

534
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about to interview two people and they're both asking for the same amount of money, and they both

535
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have a great business plan, both of them. One comes in as a female, one comes in as a male.

536
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No, you don't think that there is a better chance if I asked you to wage her a million dollars,

537
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who's going to get that job? I'm telling you, the million dollars of the line, Michael, make the

538
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best decision that you really think. Ask me who's going to get the job, who's going to be the most

539
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successful. Who's going to get that loan from this bank? Is it going to be the men or is it going to

540
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be the woman? I honestly think it might even be the women. No, but I think I think we might even

541
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be that's his question. I know, but he wants me to say men. I'm saying I don't want you to ask.

542
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No, I'm saying is that I really think that there's equal opportunity for men and women

543
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today to get loans and to thrive. And I think banks would welcome women. That's what I asked.

544
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,600
Okay. No, what Michael's trying to say, I think, is that you were pushing to say that it's a man's

545
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world and they'll get it. He's thinking the other way around saying is that companies want the

546
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minorities and the women because to balance out their balance, she said. Why? Why do they want?

547
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Because they want to show that they're a real business of minorities. Why do they want to show that?

548
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Because is it a real problem that exists? Because not having that exists, are you saying that?

549
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No, no, no, no, no. It's an equal chance to be successful in our society that a man does.

550
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Is that what you're saying? Yes. If she decides not to have kids and stay home, yes.

551
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Okay. I actually vehemently disagree with that. I think you're delusional. If you think that that

552
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,960
man and that woman going to Greystone, getting that loan and she gets it before he gets it.

553
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,520
And they're both regional directors of nursing homes for 10 years and they're both MDS and

554
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:47,200
clinically educated. Yeah, exactly. And they're going to give the man more than the woman.

555
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,560
No, I don't think so. I would bet a million dollars on it. It's okay.

556
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,560
And why would that be different? Meaning is from the bank's standpoint,

557
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
who are we better off with the chance that we're going to get our money back?

558
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,800
Mm-hmm. There you go.

559
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,880
You can see that there is thought to go into it because of your gender.

560
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And therefore, I think that's one of the reasons why women like that are not as prevalent.

561
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,360
You tamed it down a lot, by the way. Yeah. And I'm a big proponent, I believe,

562
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,040
of all these organizations that want to prop up women and they want to go out of their way

563
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,440
to actually help women. Let's get it. You know what? Make funds that invest just in women

564
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,440
because at the end of the day, they should be given a shot. Just like everybody else.

565
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,480
They're just as capable.

566
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,920
But again, back to venue because if you go back into your shul, then, and you start talking about

567
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,800
it and you're looking at Torah and they don't put on filling and they don't do this and they

568
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,240
don't do that because they're female and they don't count towards a minion. Suddenly.

569
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,280
I'm not talking from a religious standpoint. I'm just from a subtle shul standpoint.

570
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,080
I'm just curious if you had a daycare service for children and a man or a woman came to be

571
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,800
qualified, it would be a woman that would be more qualified. Right? Okay.

572
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,360
She would have a better chance of right. Of course, because similar to flying on the way

573
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,480
down, God forbid, where you want someone that can react without emotion, men. But when it comes to

574
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banking and business, I'm sorry. I don't have this all started simply because I made a comment

575
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,720
about this person's MDS coordinator who I think is capable of owning men in her. And she should

576
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,200
operating that she should. She's not because she's a man and you're not like, because she's not

577
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,800
low. What does that have to do with them? Yeah, let's just say it has something to do with it.

578
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,920
But the bottom line is I got very much carried away from my point. My point I was trying to make

579
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,280
is I believe there's a lot of people and Jay, you're an owner, you're an operator. You have a lot

580
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,480
of people that work for you. I believe that there is somebody in your midst that you may not even

581
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,080
know their name. You may have served somebody in your organization knows the name, but you're

582
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,400
a little removed. You don't know everybody and that's okay. But every single organization,

583
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,560
including yours, there was a diamond in the rough there. There's somebody there that can actually

584
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,440
be sitting on your chair and possibly be doing a better job than you for sure. Possibly much.

585
00:49:53,440 --> 00:50:00,080
So very possible. So as an owner operator, you go about, are you looking for that? Are you trying

586
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,080
to see who your talented people are? Were you content as long as things are flowing, things

587
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,920
are working, they're not going to get too much involved, because you might be missing out on

588
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,840
something. No, I'm always looking. I'm always looking for talent. You always want talent that's

589
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:17,840
smarter than you, better than you. I'm not in any way shape or form close to the smartest,

590
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:24,080
the most talented person in the company. From the people in my company, I'm one of the luckiest

591
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:31,520
that I am in the situation. I got there by appreciation, due to strong appreciation to

592
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:37,920
a couple of people and sheer luck. But everyone's looking for better talent to get better people

593
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,600
and to manage them and to keep them into all to bring the best out of those people, always,

594
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,240
to extract the best out of quality from those people. I have to tell you that I was traveling

595
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:52,240
for three days straight with one of your business partners. Okay. And the last name does not rhyme

596
00:50:52,240 --> 00:51:01,040
with a fliggle, Belm. No, it rhymes with farth. Okay. So we went out on a couple of days trip,

597
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,800
because I wanted to learn more about operations in a nursing home. I wanted to get the perspective

598
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,400
of an operator. I have to interject and say to you that I, and when I said lucky,

599
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,360
is that's one of the biggest parts. The best, I am, yes, it's a plug, but we don't get money

600
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,640
and paid for this. But the best operator in nursing homes in the world, thankfully, is my partner,

601
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:27,440
Mr. Rhyming with Flars. We know him well. I'm gonna confirm that. We could see the merit in him

602
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,160
saying that it's certainly not something that you dismiss. Well, I'm gonna confirm your feelings

603
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:37,520
and tell you what happened, which resonates exactly with what you just said that you're

604
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:43,760
dealing with people. Real quick, we were on the highway, it was seven o'clock in the morning,

605
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,440
and he got a panic phone call from someone and he interrupted me and he's like, I'm sorry,

606
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:53,760
I gotta take this call. And I couldn't hear the other side. But for 10 minutes, I saw his empathy

607
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,600
and I saw his facial expressions and how he was talking to her. It's gonna be okay.

608
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,320
We're here for you if there's anything you need on and on and on. And when he hung up,

609
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,200
I said, what happened? He said, one of my clinical people last night lost their cat.

610
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Well, I was like, really, really 10 minutes you spent? Well, he turns to me and he said,

611
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,440
we are a people company. Wow. I didn't even know that story, but that's a great story.

612
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,800
And he said that's what it's all about. It's about people. Jay, it was a pleasure having you.

613
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,840
The pleasure was mine. Thank you for admitting and agreeing with me about the

614
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,880
cold thing and I really appreciate you having me on. Have a great day.

615
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:41,200
What an amazing episode that was. I always look forward to getting guests to co-host our episodes

616
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,760
with us. What I particularly loved about this one is the art of debate and taking that to the

617
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next level. I think we're onto something. I just want to ask everybody to please like,

618
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619
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620
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