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You're in big trouble, though, Cal. I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast.

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You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?

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No.

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Hello, everybody. This is Breakfast of Champions Season 1, Episode 2.

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I'd like to introduce you to my co-host. His name is Parker.

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I don't know. What is your name? Is it John or is it Parker?

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Either or.

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Okay. I always called you Parker, but then I like try to search for you on social media

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and I'm like, there's no Parker here. And then I'm like, oh yeah, it's Jay Parker.

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That's by design.

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From the Howard family.

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But now people will be able to find me on social media.

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Sorry about that.

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You threw off my plan.

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My bad.

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Back into the witness protection program.

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We can edit that.

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Anyway, it's been a week since last we've met.

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We've had lots of crazy zany things happen in our lives.

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We'll get into that later.

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But I've done some traveling.

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I went to my grandmother's funeral this past week.

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Got to see my family in El Paso.

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And right off the top, I have to tell you about something that I've never heard of before.

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My father, who I thought I have like this whole history of my dad down in my head.

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My father was a door to door donut salesman whenever he was a kid.

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No way.

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Yeah.

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So we're all kind of gathered around talking about the good memories about, you know, everything

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that my grandmother did.

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And one of the things that she had done is she was like, she was one of the first like

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OG entrepreneurs.

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Like when Tupperware came out, she was like, sign me up.

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And she was like a brownie leader and a Girl Scout leader.

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But one of the things that she did was she got her kids invested in this company called

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Spudnuts.

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And I've,

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Oh, I know all about Spudnuts.

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I've tried to recreate Spudnuts.

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Okay.

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I love that you know Spudnuts because my dad, whatever he was in high school, not even high.

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So I think he was in maybe like elementary middle school.

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Him and his two sisters would go to the local Spudnuts drop off center and they would pay

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50 cents for the doughnut and then sell it for a dollar.

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So my dad was like, you always had to play that math game in your head.

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Like how many do I want to sell versus like if I don't sell them, how many do I want to

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carry?

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So take it away Spudnuts man that you know about it.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I've done some research.

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But yeah, I tried to recreate them using russet potatoes, you con gold potatoes and even instant

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potatoes.

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And they were good, but I've never had a legit Spudna.

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I think that's more of like a Midwestern thing.

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And also, if I remember correctly, I think it came out of like the Great Depression because

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it was hard to get a lot of things.

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So they used what they had.

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I think the recipe is literally just potatoes, sugar, milk or water.

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And I don't even know if there's flour in it.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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And then you just make it fry it.

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But yeah, they're super famous, super well known.

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Yeah, so I'd never knew that about my father until this week.

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So it's crazy that we started doing this like breakfast of champions saying review and donuts

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and stuff.

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And I was like, what?

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I was a donut salesman.

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I was like, what?

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Tell me all about this.

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I've never heard about this.

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So I did a little research on Spudnuts myself.

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They were one of the first like franchisees of donuts.

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They started in, I think it was North Carolina or South Carolina is one of the Carolinas.

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They basically just like you said, they need that a different way of making donuts.

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They also were before Krispy Kreme and the hot and fresh light Spudnuts is famous because

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they like to serve their donuts warm because I would like to his donuts warm.

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And so as they spread about the country, there's some tax evasion and fraud and ownership changes.

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As there is.

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So but they actually had, I think we read it right.

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They were selling like four or five million donuts a year at one point.

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And most of it through their franchise is most of it from door to door salesman from

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younger people.

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But I thought that was interesting.

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A good way to start off the show, tribute to my grandmother and also just to shout out

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my dad because he was a donut door to door salesman for Spudnuts in El Paso, Texas.

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The OG donut daddy, if you would.

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There you go.

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He's going to come for his name.

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I released my handle so he can have it back.

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Perfect.

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I hope you've been well and anybody that's out there listening to this, we'd like to

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welcome you to the show.

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Again, this is a podcast about breakfast foods and violence.

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Last episode we discussed the kind of underwhelming shiplies donuts we had.

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They fell flat pun intended.

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So I've actually been thinking about them almost every day since we ate them and how

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disappointing they were.

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Somebody actually at one of my jobs.

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The manager was like, oh yeah, we're going to have a store meeting.

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And I think I'm going to get shiplies donuts for the crew.

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And I was like, please don't skip that part.

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Anybody else?

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I was like, I know a really good donut shop.

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I know a few good donut shops, but I know a really good donut shop, especially if corporate's

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paying for it.

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Let's kick some business back.

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For sure.

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Speaking of this really good donut shop, we're going to move into, we're moving away from

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the welcoming portion.

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And let's just go right into our donut portion.

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I'm looking at one of the pinkest boxes I've ever seen when it comes to donuts.

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When you think of donuts, you think of like the traditional white, maybe some logos on

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it, but this is straight up Pepto Bismol Pink.

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So tell us a little bit about this box.

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Did you design this box?

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I did not design the box, but I really pushed for the pink and it took me a little while

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to find the right one.

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I talked to some different manufacturers and this one actually is like just mass produced,

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order it online.

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And then the design that's on it is a stamp, but the lady who created it, her name is Julie

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Beal.

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She was really awesome.

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Graphic design, she's done all the spiral diner stuff and she had all the dreamboat stuff.

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This is a perfect, perfect little stamp here.

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I'm looking at, you just take it away, describe it here.

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This is a donut, but what's inside?

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So I'll give you some lore on this.

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So it's a donut, but inside the hole is a bunny wearing a sailor's hat with a scoop

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of ice cream.

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Again, this is dreamboat, donuts and scoop.

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So we've got the donut is the vessel or the boat.

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Get your bunny with the sailor hat on and then you get the ice cream cone.

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You get the whole name in one little image, but fun fact is the bunny's name, which most

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people don't know this is Pizzuzu.

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Pizzuzu.

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That sounds familiar.

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So Pizzuzu is an ancient Mesopotamian God or demon.

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I think maybe demon, not God.

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If you've seen the movie, the exorcist, Pizzuzu is the one who is the statue and all that.

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Got it.

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That's why it sounds familiar.

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The Blair from the exorcist is vegan and super into like dog rescue stuff.

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So the goal was named the bunny Pizzuzu so that when the Blair will show up and eat some

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donuts with us.

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That's a perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect logo, perfect story.

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We are discussing dreamboat donuts.

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This is a local to Fort Worth area, Texas area donut shop that we've had the pleasure

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of having many times because Parker helped create, launch and run the shop for quite

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some time.

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And so we are lucky and blessed and thankful to have some donuts.

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I haven't even peeked to see what he picked, but like I said, this box just needed to be

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talked about because you don't see a pink donut box quite often.

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So Parker hit the nail right on the head with that.

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You're already looking at like exclusive, exclusivity.

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I don't know how to say it.

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Good exclusiveness, a differentness stand out, you know, if somebody came to the office

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like a regular nine to five and they're like, I brought some donuts and put this box in

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front of me.

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I'd know that what's inside is not fall apart.

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It's not shipwrecks.

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Shipley's donuts.

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This is dreamboat.

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So I'm going to open the box.

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Oh, what's in the box?

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Oh my God.

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So for those of you, we are not video just yet.

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We're still working on the deeds of that.

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We could be, but just not yet.

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This is for just me and Parker here.

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So I'm just looking at four of some of the most amazing donuts that I've seen and quite

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some time they're not falling down.

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They are standing straight up, 10 toes down like Drake.

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They've got their head held high.

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They are just Drake have his head held high right now.

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Yeah, he does.

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He's yeah.

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Well, not going to get into that.

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Speaking of violence, there's some violent stuff going on in the rap world right now.

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If you follow any of that.

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So I've got classic glazed classic.

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I went by the tier that we went with last perfect.

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So we've got classic glazed.

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We've got the Homer esque strawberry with sprinkles.

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We've got a, is that the old fashioned over there with the chocolate or the cake donut?

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Oh, blueberry cake donut.

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So it's super blue and lumpy like that because it has real blueberries.

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Not the can that we talked about last, not the, the, the nast of the last week.

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So, and then this is the famous JJ donut.

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Is that correct?

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That is correct.

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So we're going to talk about the grading scale.

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We had six donut holes, zero to six.

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We can change that.

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This is not, you know, this is not like set in stone forever.

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So we did talk about kind of like store specific.

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We don't really care for like the chain so much.

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We're more like mom and pop or our artisanal donuts, if you will.

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So is this, you want to tell us about, so you said last time you had like hundreds of

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donut recipes.

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Is that right?

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So I actually, I created a 25 page document from the first day I started making donuts.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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Yeah.

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So there is every version of this recipe, like the dough recipe and other dough recipes

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that had not seen the light of day, along with all the different frostings and everything

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and all of that is now, you know, dreamboats, property and there's, they're continuing to

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make cool stuff with Danny who works there.

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She's she made a donut last week that had a tiny cupcake in the middle.

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It was like a fun, fatty donut with a fun, fatty cupcake in it.

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So yeah, they're still innovating and creating and doing also all kinds of cool stuff.

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And just for just some behind the scenes, Parker and I used to play an emotional hardcore

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band called unspell and at the same time that we were kind of fleshing out some, some songs

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and some record stuff, he was in the process of creating these donuts.

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So he would literally come, he would come to work and as they were setting up the, or

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he would come to practice as they were setting up the shop to just be dog dead tired and

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just act, just see the hard work that he put into these donuts.

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I saw it not only in the results of these donuts, but also just like in how he lives

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his life.

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Parker has put all of his heart and soul into these donuts.

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You can taste it.

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You can see it.

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Please go visit dreamboat.

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They are an amazing staple of the Magnolia neighborhood, the near Southside neighborhood.

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They are family members with spiral.

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So anybody with any like dietary restrictions or any vegans or vegetarians in your life,

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and even if you're not a vegan or vegetarian, just stop by and grab a donut.

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They look amazing.

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They taste amazing.

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Which one do you want to jump right into?

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I think we should start with the glaze.

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That's like the, the base one.

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Yeah, base layer.

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I'm going to let you dig in and just kind of talk about it.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to, I'm going to have a piece of this glaze here.

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So the big thing with dreamboat is also all of the donut are made with organic ingredients.

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So the flour, the sugar, the milk, like most of the ingredients are organic.

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The glaze that was like a big part of it was making sure that the glaze was just right.

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The powdered sugar and it's all organic.

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Just high quality ingredients also with like the proof and the rise where you can like

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see in this.

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I'm looking at it.

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It's got like those air pockets.

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It springs back.

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It's slowly springing back right now, but it does do a 24 hour cold rise.

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So after it's made, it sits and rises for 24 hours before it is proofed and fried.

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I just had my bite.

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That's terrific.

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It's really, really dense.

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It's not super sweet.

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Question.

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You mentioned ingredients and how organic and quality and that sort of stuff.

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What is the price point for your glazed donut?

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2.99.

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See, there you go.

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So I was just looking the other day about DoorDash, you know, just kind of getting,

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you know, one of those things where you're like, I'm really hungry.

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I wish I could have, you know, donuts, but I was at work so I couldn't leave.

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So I started looking and several of the donut chains have four packs, six packs that you

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can buy.

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But I think if you're going to spend about $2 on a donut, you know, you might as well

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just spend that extra little bit for the quality because you can tell right away as soon as

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you bought, as soon as you bit into that donut, it kind of bites you back a little bit.

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There's like no, like, like you said, last time, as soon as you bit into that shiplies,

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it kind of fell and like crumbled and you're like, wait, where did the donut go?

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But with this donut, you definitely are getting your mouse worth.

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It tastes great.

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It's not overly sweet.

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The icing, the glaze, it's not as flaky and crumbly.

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It stays onto the donut really well and it's not super thick and it doesn't leave your

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hands very sticky, but it is a really, really good donut.

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It's a great job on that one.

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I'm going to dig into the Homer next.

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Is that what you guys are calling it officially or you can't really do that because other

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chains have done that?

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Yeah, there are other chains that have done that.

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And actually, when I was doing research for names, the chain that was so bummed they beat

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me to the punch is Donut Friend in LA.

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Donut Friend is an all vegan chain in LA and they're all named after songs or bands.

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Perfect.

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There's a Jimmy World donut.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's like a sunny day real estate.

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It's all, we could look at that menu one day.

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We're going to.

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We're going to have to.

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We're going to have to take a field trip.

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Yeah.

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We're going to have a never episode 50 when we've got some Patreon money coming in.

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We'll fly out to LA for a day.

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So yeah, it's just the strawberry frosted donut.

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This one has sprinkles on it.

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Perfect.

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I'm going to take a quick bite into that.

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You can tell us, did you go through many sprinkles or did you just like, is there only one standard

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vegan sprinkle that you can do?

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Yeah.

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So fun thing about sprinkles, not all sprinkles are vegan.

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They use shellac or it has different names, but it's basically crushed up beetles and

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it's what gives it that shiny, crunchy texture.

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Think about that next time you're eating a donut.

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But no, again, spiraled under being around for so long and having a bakery.

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It was very easy to know where to get sprinkles.

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Like we had a supplier that we used and they've got all kinds of different fun sprinkles, but

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we just went with a classic Jimmy sprinkle.

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And so that that's a exact reaction I wanted when I made this donut, because to me, the

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strawberry sprinkle donut is the perfect classic donut.

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But everywhere, like we saw last week with chipleys, they don't put enough flavor in

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it.

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It's a lot of extracts and it just kind of dies on your tongue.

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This is yeah, real organic strawberries that are in the frost.

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And you can taste it, boy.

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It is not a fake strawberry.

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It is a perfectly sweet, you know, composite of like strawberry.

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It's almost like a jam taste almost, but it doesn't look like it at all.

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It looks like a sweet strawberry, you know, pinky frosting.

328
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Yeah.

329
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Again, we're talking about dreamboat donuts.

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These are vegan donuts.

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These don't quote unquote taste vegan.

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I know that's less like you don't look Mexican.

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It's 2024.

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Mexican.

335
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But yeah, these donuts don't taste vegan.

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So for all of you old heads out there that think that like vegan means disgusting or

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vegan means something that it doesn't.

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Vegan is not a bad word.

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Vegan is not, uh, does not mean gross or does not mean bad tasting.

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Vegan oftentimes means high quality.

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Vegan oftentimes means care, thought, process into what they're doing.

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And you can definitely tell if I gave this donut to like, let's say your every average

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day kid, they would love how sweet it is, but they're not getting the fact that it's

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actually the strawberry flavor and not the sweetness.

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And I think that's some things that sometimes we forget that like fruit itself can be really

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freaking sweet depending on when you catch it.

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If it's super ripe, like a banana that has a lot of brown pockets and if you throw that

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thing in a smoothie, all of a sudden, yeah, all of a sudden you think you have like sugar

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in your smoothie, but it's like nature sugar.

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And this is a great example of, you know, fruit being sweet, uh, and also tasty.

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And that's another thing.

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It doesn't taste artificial.

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It doesn't taste like somebody just like slapped together a strawberry, uh, or just a regular

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frosting and threw some pink dye in it.

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So, again, great job.

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Amazing job on that.

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Perfect.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to have a sip of this drink here.

360
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I've never tried it before.

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This is something that got brought to my attention via all of the adult shops that I attend.

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Did you hear that?

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Excuse me.

364
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Did you hear that crack?

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Crack in a cold one.

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Crack in a cold one.

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So this is a product called Jim weed.

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We don't endorse it yet.

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We may.

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We never know.

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It's an adapted gin energy drink.

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Zero sugar.

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Mine is watermelon flavored.

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So I've got pear pineapple.

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I see these things everywhere.

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Yeah.

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I had a friend, actually Danny, who runs streamboat.

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She texted me about these and then I started seeing them everywhere.

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I'll let you take a sip.

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I'm going to take a sip.

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So this Jim weed, it has 300 milligrams of ashwagandha.

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That's going to help you kind of relax and calm down.

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200 milligrams of caffeine is going to do the opposite of that.

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100 milligrams of lion's mane.

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That's going to make your synapses fire real nice.

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100 milligrams of altheanine, which I think also is going to help you like with relaxation.

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And then it's vegan and non GMO, just like these donuts.

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Wow.

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What a great pairing.

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This is very light.

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It's not super carbonated like a topo where you want to like, oh my God, you know, my

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senses around fire.

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Yeah.

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No, you know, when you sip a sip of topo and it's like TV static running through your

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head.

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Yeah.

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It's not like that at all.

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It's like a kind of carbonation to it.

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Very good.

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Not a lot of aftertaste to it.

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You would think with zero sugar and all of the extras that you just talked about, there

402
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would be kind of like a chemically aftertaste, but it actually tastes great.

403
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Yeah.

404
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,360
No, I've got the peripinopulinates like a very, it's almost like a flat tapache.

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That's what it tastes like.

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It's not syrupy.

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It doesn't like cling to your mouth.

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After last week's Mountain Dew, I felt so terrible that I was like, we got to do something

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different this week as much as I love Mountain Dew.

410
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We either need to do diet dew or we got to do something else and foe show.

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I stopped at Quick Trip to get some napkins because I knew that we would need them.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, oh man, I'm going to grab these.

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Yeah.

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I've seen these at QT at 7-Eleven at H-E-B at like, I mean, something that just has the

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name weed in it.

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Especially in Texas.

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Yeah.

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And at H-E-B, the most Texas of grocery stores.

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You would think that that would just be like, mm-mm, we're not carrying that around here,

421
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but I mean, I think the bright colors help.

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I think that, you know, like you said, it's 2024 and almost everybody we know is probably

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smoking weed or taking weed in some form or fashion.

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The name weed is so like propaganda to begin with.

425
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But anyways, thank you for bringing those.

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Do you want to, I mean, are you partial to this?

427
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You can't really grade Dreamboat or can you, do you think you can grade Dreamboat?

428
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I don't want to grade it.

429
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Don't want to grade it.

430
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Okay.

431
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Yeah.

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So then we talked about sweetness from a scale of zero to six.

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I'm going to give it a five.

434
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It is right up there with probably some of the best donuts that I've ever had.

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A sweetness scale it is.

436
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And then I thought about this last time.

437
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You want the sweetness to be a high level on the scale, not in terms of it's super sweet,

438
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five out of six, sweet.

439
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,920
Our sweetness scale means the right level of kind of balance.

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So if we give you a zero on the sweetness scale, it's either because it's not sweet enough

441
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or it's overtly sweet.

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If we give you a five or six on the sweetness scale, that means that your balance is perfect.

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It's not too sweet.

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It's just the right amount of sweetness.

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And I think that Dreamboat nails it on the sweetness.

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So five out of six on the sweetness, as far as the thickness, the rise, the yeast, that

447
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bounce back that we talked about.

448
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I mean, you can't beat it.

449
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Six out of six.

450
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I've never seen a donut bounce back the way that the stone it is.

451
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Hold up.

452
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Okay.

453
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And we've probably cracked this.

454
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Last time we cracked the other donuts by now, they've fallen.

455
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They've melted.

456
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Again, Drake, 10 toes down, head held high.

457
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The strawberry donut right here is perfect.

458
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I love that.

459
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So that we had sweetness.

460
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We had thickness.

461
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Maybe like overall presentation.

462
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Yeah, I think overall presentation is.

463
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Okay.

464
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Again, we started off with the fact that this box is pink.

465
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You're not going to miss it.

466
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I mean, I want to take a picture of this JJ donut before I devour it.

467
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That's the one reason I haven't just dove right into it.

468
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Again, JJ is a tribute to a local artist and friend, Jeremy Joel.

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It's got peanut butter.

470
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It's got peanuts.

471
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It's got chocolate frosting.

472
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It's got Oreo cookie crumbles on it.

473
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I mean, what else could you ask for in a donut?

474
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It's the perfect donut.

475
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:03,360
It really is.

476
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It's got the saltiness from the peanut butter and the peanut.

477
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It's got the sweetness from the ganache and the Oreo pieces.

478
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Yeah, it's a it's it's a solid donut.

479
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Yeah, I'm going to give dreamboat donuts.

480
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I'm going to give y'all again, five and a half out of six.

481
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I don't think that I've ever seen outside of like your, you know, you're really super

482
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well known like over the top and donut presentations.

483
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These donuts are huge.

484
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,760
Again, so that we talked about quality of ingredients.

485
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We talked about what you're getting inside of this donut.

486
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You're getting something you can feel good about environmentally, consciously, you know,

487
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spiritually, you can feel great about these donuts, but also you know that you're getting

488
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value for your donut.

489
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These donuts are huge.

490
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They're super thick.

491
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:51,040
If you know, if you can eat like three or four of these donuts, you are a massive person

492
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,080
that has way more, you know, eating power than I do.

493
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,520
I'd really love to see some of those competitive eaters take down some of these donuts because

494
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,840
they're just like so big and thick and righteous that it probably would be very cool to see.

495
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,120
So I've also described that way.

496
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,920
That's what she describes me as.

497
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,560
So thank you again to the people of dreamboat donuts.

498
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,160
Shout out, go see them.

499
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,640
They are right off Magnolia on 6th Avenue in the P.S. 1200.

500
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Yeah.

501
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,120
And they're, they've got a cool spaceship like building with big glass windows.

502
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,280
You cannot miss them.

503
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:32,520
They've got big, cool, kawaii looking pictures in the front of their store.

504
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,200
And thank you very much to them and their donuts and may their legacy continue forever

505
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,120
and ever and ever and for worth because they are needed.

506
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,160
You can, you can grab Krispy Kreme.

507
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,640
You can grab whatever chain donut you want in any city in the world, but you're not going

508
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,880
to find dreamboat donuts anywhere before we're Texas and we're all about that action.

509
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,320
So go see them.

510
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,960
We love them.

511
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,960
And thank you.

512
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Thank you, Parker.

513
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,920
I know it's kind of hard for you to be a little biased and partial since, you know, you created

514
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,760
these, these were your babies for quite, for quite some time.

515
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,160
And now you've left that.

516
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,520
But their, their legacy has continued and we're glad to see them and we wanted to give them

517
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,160
a shout out and review.

518
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,240
Legit, no bias on my end.

519
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,760
I would tell Parker, I'd be like, look, man, I've told them before, hey, you're playing

520
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,640
the wrong notes, like straight up.

521
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,640
Straight up.

522
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,640
Hey, you suck.

523
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,560
I've never said suck, but you are straight up playing the wrong notes.

524
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,200
But I would never, never lie about donuts.

525
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,520
It's sacred in my book and he's really neat.

526
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Hit the nail on the head.

527
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,120
So I've done, I've done quite some, some talking and some, some eating.

528
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:38,400
So we're going to talk about moving on, moving on.

529
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,080
We're going to talk a little bit about our lives.

530
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,600
Personally, we talked about kind of like our kids and like our jobs and that sort of thing.

531
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,280
I really wanted to delve into the music part of our lives because music is such a big part

532
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,280
of our lives.

533
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,640
It's a big part of the podcast when it comes to themes and what we're going to be talking

534
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,120
about going forward.

535
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:03,920
But I just have a feeling that the people that are going to maybe come and guest on the podcast,

536
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,760
a lot of the people that we're going to talk about and mention in our stories are going

537
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,400
to be kind of interwoven throughout our musical life.

538
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,160
So I just thought maybe we could kind of give a rundown of bands that we've been in, maybe

539
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,920
some cool shows that we've played in, maybe some bands that we love so that way people

540
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,120
can kind of get an insight because I know that you and I have, I just showed you some

541
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,960
music before we got started.

542
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,680
I'm constantly listening to stuff and you're constantly reminding me of stuff that was

543
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,680
like, oh yeah, I completely forgot how great like Converge and Cave-In and stuff like that

544
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,680
is.

545
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,120
Simply by the fact like Mall Walker shirt on today, great shirt.

546
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,120
We both have that shirt.

547
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,120
Love that band.

548
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,120
RIP.

549
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,120
RIP?

550
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,120
Yeah.

551
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,360
Sadly, RIP.

552
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:52,680
So yeah, let me ask you, what was the first band you were ever in?

553
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,760
The first band I was, I ever played a show in was a band called Hainus Genetics.

554
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Perfect.

555
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,600
We started in 2006, I believe, but our first show wasn't until 2007.

556
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,920
That band was pretty cool.

557
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,560
We played a show at 1919, Hamphill, our first show, which I've been going there for years.

558
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,560
RIP?

559
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,560
Oh, very RIP.

560
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,200
Oh man, so much RIP in the show.

561
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,200
Yeah.

562
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,440
But yeah, so we played our first show there with Steeples from Oklahoma City and Damazumari

563
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,120
from Tulsa and then Trifle Tower from DFW.

564
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,120
What a great first show.

565
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:29,120
Yeah, it was incredible.

566
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,120
It was so cool.

567
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,920
Usually first shows are like I'm playing the backyard.

568
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,920
Yeah.

569
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,320
I'm playing my grandma's house.

570
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,440
But we ended up getting put on another show in Oklahoma City like a week later because

571
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,080
of the friends we made there and I'm still friends with almost all of those dudes today.

572
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,720
And so yeah, that that was cool.

573
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,200
Like, oh, this is my first band and the second show we're playing is out of town.

574
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,160
And we ended up playing more out of town shows when we played in town.

575
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,160
Successful.

576
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,160
Yeah.

577
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,160
So that was cool.

578
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,000
We were very like stubbornly DIY.

579
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,440
We printed all of our own shirts.

580
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,600
This was CDR times.

581
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,600
We burned all of our CDs.

582
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:11,600
I did all like I would make like lino cuts to put on the CD covers.

583
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,160
So we're very like adamantly DIY, almost a fault because we're just like, fuck everyone

584
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,160
else.

585
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,160
This is what we're doing.

586
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,160
Yeah.

587
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,680
But that's good and bad in both ways.

588
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,040
We know that just from life experience.

589
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,840
So did you always play bass?

590
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Are you have always been a player vocalist of that?

591
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,160
Oh, so even more lore coming to.

592
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,160
Yeah.

593
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,000
So I was a vocalist of that band and then we ended up like kind of taking a hiatus and

594
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,720
then me and Travis Travis was one of my best friends.

595
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:50,000
He started this band called Sinister Ghost, which was kind of the next step in heinous

596
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,080
genetics.

597
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Okay.

598
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,120
And he had recorded a demo.

599
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,120
We got our friends together.

600
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Basically we knew we only had like three months to do this band because our friend Joe, who

601
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,840
was playing like synth and keyboard, he was moving to Austin at the end of the summer.

602
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,560
Matt, who was our drummer was moving back to Oklahoma, Oklahoma City after the summer

603
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,360
and Cameron, who played guitar in that band.

604
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,120
I think he might have still been in high school at the time.

605
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,120
We're all like 19.

606
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,160
And I think he was like 17.

607
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,760
But so we knew like, hey, we have a limited time where everybody's in town.

608
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Let's do as much as we can.

609
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:36,280
And we booked a tour, hit the road, had some super weird interesting times on the road

610
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,080
in the Midwest.

611
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Yeah, just it was super cool, very like fast made lots of friends played with a lot of

612
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,920
cool bands.

613
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,120
And we tried and crammed as much as possible into that like three month period.

614
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,120
And then we were done.

615
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,120
And that was it.

616
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Yeah.

617
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,000
So imagine if you had the opposite mindset of like three months.

618
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Yeah.

619
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,080
Wow, that's a bummer and then just didn't do anything.

620
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,120
But now you have like these lifetime memories of like cramming it all in and just getting

621
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,120
it all in.

622
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,440
And that's such a cool thing, especially when it comes to like DIY stuff.

623
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:15,000
Oftentimes one of the cons of DIY, especially in the punk and hardcore scene is that you

624
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,280
can kind of get into your own headspace and your own bubble.

625
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,960
And you are so focused on a project or you're so focused on your band that you don't step

626
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600
out and you don't play those shows and you don't, you know, meet with those people or

627
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,120
do those things that, you know, because you're so focused on getting everything done and

628
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,840
everybody's got a task.

629
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,640
But that's great to hear that you guys had that approach of like, okay, we've got three

630
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,640
months.

631
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,400
Let's make the most of it and get it all in.

632
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,480
So I love that.

633
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,720
What was the fate of the most favorite band that you ever played in?

634
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,600
I mean, honestly, and I'm not just saying this because you're here probably unspilled.

635
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,880
It was the most fulfilling.

636
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,280
It taught me the most.

637
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Sure.

638
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Because again, so heinous genetics, sinister ghost, I played.

639
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,080
Oh yeah, I would didn't mean to stop your train.

640
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,800
I was just kind of, but no, so those two bands, I was a vocalist and I was a singer.

641
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,000
And the next band I played in after that, I played bass and then I continued playing

642
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,520
bass.

643
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,640
But unspell definitely taught me the most as far as being a musician, which I chalked

644
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,320
that up to you.

645
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Thank you.

646
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Because I have always in all the bands I've played bass in, it's always been more of a

647
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:28,120
jackhammer and unspell had a lot of like quiet parts or parts to slow down and there were

648
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,080
space between the notes, which is not something I was used to or something I was comfortable

649
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,080
playing.

650
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,080
Sure.

651
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,760
That was a fun time for us.

652
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,480
And it's it's weird that we're talking bass.

653
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,920
I whenever we started on spell, I was like, I'm going to play the bass in a hardcore

654
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,800
band because I've never done it before.

655
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,520
Bass has always been such.

656
00:31:49,520 --> 00:32:00,000
I think that like I admire bass playing and bassists a lot as as as well as drummers,

657
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,920
because it's one of those things where like, I feel like I would never I've been I've been

658
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,720
here 40 years and I'm barely any good on the guitar.

659
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,880
So I can only imagine how like how long it would take me for my brain to compute how

660
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,880
drums work.

661
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,120
I just can't do it.

662
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Like my left foot, right foot, left hand, right hand, it's like, I wind up just playing

663
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,080
for four, four, four, you know what I mean?

664
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,080
All the time.

665
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,280
So whatever, like, I guess around the time that when unspell started, there was a lot

666
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,440
of like funky dance music that Jordan and I listened to, in particular, like Taemin

667
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,360
Paula and Pond and Tori Mwa.

668
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,480
And it always had like that kind of like funky moving baseline.

669
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:50,000
And I always thought that between that and then I saw the I don't I'm not familiar with

670
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000
anybody in American football's name, except for Mike and Stella, but the bass player from

671
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,840
American football, we saw them on the third LP tour.

672
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:06,560
And I just saw him really, really like using instead of just using one string, which I'm

673
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,480
I mean, hardcore punk bands and you know, you use one string at a time.

674
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,080
And I think go to is just an open E string.

675
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Right.

676
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,600
I just saw him moving from like, so if you're looking at a bass fretboard, or if you're

677
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,600
looking at a bass strings, you have your thinnest string on the on the bottom and that your

678
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,320
thick string on the top, I just saw him moving from like two, three and the second string,

679
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,720
third string and four string, he would just kind of move up in like a pyramid pattern

680
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,920
or like a little scale pattern.

681
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:43,520
And he would do it in varying ways, it'd be like, like, and not like a, you know, like

682
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,520
a jazzy, you kind of just be like, almost like moving notes.

683
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,440
And like between that and like Taemin Paul and stuff, I just wanted to kind of like bring

684
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840
some of that to unspell.

685
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,080
And so that's kind of where some of those like, non hardcorey kind of things come from.

686
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,560
But also like, if you listen to a lot of like, like mineral and brain stuff like that, that's

687
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,040
kind of where some of that came to.

688
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,520
So back to your musical journey.

689
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,960
So you had a couple of bands that you're a vocalist in, then you started playing the

690
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,480
bass and you left off, where were you at there?

691
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,880
So Sinister Ghost had just finished up our last show.

692
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,200
I don't even think I played with them was in San Antonio in somebody's apartment.

693
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,480
It was like a Krusty Scrimmo show.

694
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,200
And also, yeah, Sinister Ghost was like a scrams band.

695
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Orchid is one of my favorite bands, and that was like a big influence on that band.

696
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,880
So so yeah, after that, that was like 2008, probably like August 2008.

697
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:47,680
I was like, I'm kind of done with music and life was kind of going in different directions.

698
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:53,480
And then one of my friends was like, Oh, hey, I know this band that needs a bass player.

699
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,480
And this is early 2009.

700
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,480
I was like, okay, what are they called?

701
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,120
He's like, Oh, they're called coin return.

702
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,120
They sound like infest meets agnostic front.

703
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,120
I was like, okay, that sounds cool.

704
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,120
I'll check that out.

705
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Right.

706
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:12,000
And so I went over to this dude's house in the mid cities and he was the drummer.

707
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,680
His name is Matt.

708
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,640
And so I met him and then the guitar player was his dude named Cody and the vocalist is

709
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,480
this guy named Josh.

710
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,720
And like they had a bunch of songs written.

711
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:23,920
So they started showing me the songs.

712
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,040
Like, all right, this is cool.

713
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,200
That's not exactly what I had envisioned, but it seems pretty cool.

714
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,760
Like let's keep checking this out.

715
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:39,040
And then so we went and we recorded like a five song demo and played some shows and

716
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,080
we were getting like really good reactions.

717
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,400
Like I'd never had people react to my music that way.

718
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,480
And I say my music.

719
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,400
I didn't write any of this.

720
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,000
So I was like, people are just like beating this shit out of each other when we would

721
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,920
play and I'd never experienced that.

722
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,080
Again, I've been playing in like screamo bands and but I've always loved hardcore and punk

723
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,080
and all that stuff.

724
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,080
So playing in a hardcore band, watching kids just annihilate each other.

725
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,400
I was like, all right, this is cool.

726
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,680
And then breakfast, foods and violence.

727
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Exactly.

728
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,560
And then so we started like getting a little bit of a following.

729
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,240
This is also like around the same time power trip is coming up.

730
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,160
Those are all like homies.

731
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,160
RIP.

732
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,160
No.

733
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Well, Riley, Riley, I know I've seen the show updates.

734
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Yeah.

735
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,920
He's sitting on your shoulder right now like an angel, by the way, in my view.

736
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,920
Yeah.

737
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,920
He's right there.

738
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,720
We've got a Stony Wayne Bass original Riley artwork in the space we're in.

739
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:32,720
Yeah.

740
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,320
And just the way that Parker sitting it literally looks like Riley's like sitting over him like

741
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,320
an angel.

742
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,360
Anyway, power trips coming out around this time.

743
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,360
Yeah.

744
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,200
So power trip has been around for like a year or two.

745
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,200
They're all friends.

746
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560
So we've been playing shows with them.

747
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,440
We record this demo and I'm talking with my friend Sherwin and he's like, oh, I'm starting

748
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,440
up a label.

749
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,280
I'm gonna put out the power trip demo, send me that demo that you guys have.

750
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,880
So we send it to him and he's like, which listening to this demo now, it's like, how

751
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,480
did anyone hear anything good out of this?

752
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Yeah.

753
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,640
But he's like, yo, this is cool.

754
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Like if you guys record something real, like hit me up.

755
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,680
I was like, all right.

756
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,200
So we went into the studio with this dude named Daniel Schmuck.

757
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,360
Daniel was in the band End Times, which also shared members with human error.

758
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,360
He's got a new band that is so sick.

759
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,080
They're called Myth Carver.

760
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,800
There are like new wave of heavy metal band.

761
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,800
Check it out.

762
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,200
They're they just released a single like two days ago on Spotify.

763
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Members of power trip members of I'm going to mess this up.

764
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,200
I'm sorry.

765
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,200
You're good.

766
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,440
Anyways, I'll look it up and I'll get back to you on that.

767
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,440
Okay.

768
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Record with Daniel.

769
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400
He is super awesome.

770
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,680
He makes a sound even meaner than we actually are.

771
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,000
And so we send it off to Sherwin.

772
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Sherwin's like, yo, let's put this on vinyl.

773
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,000
So he puts out the power trip demo as his first release on withdrawal records.

774
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,520
And then he puts out human errors beyond the wasteland.

775
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:07,080
Oh yeah, we changed our name, by the way, because coin return is is named after a AFI

776
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,080
song.

777
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,360
We're also all big AFI fans, but we're like, this doesn't really fit our sound.

778
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,640
We were starting to like implement like some death metal stuff and like heavier stuff.

779
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,560
And so like we need a better name and Cody came up with human error.

780
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,600
So we changed our name to human error.

781
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Sherwin pressed a seven inch for us.

782
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,000
And then we just started playing shows like our record release show was also power trips,

783
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,680
first tour kickoff show or might not have been their first tour, but it was one of their

784
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,560
early tours.

785
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,440
And they like we played at this place called the Alamo, which the owner was like literally

786
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,600
smoking meth in the back while we played super super sketchy West Side venue off of

787
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,720
a camp buoy in like Las Vegas Trail.

788
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,680
You know, you know.

789
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,760
So yeah, we like we played that we were pressed up against our amps a whole time.

790
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,360
There are so many people there.

791
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,360
It was super cool.

792
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,400
I got to do so many cool things with that band.

793
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:10,120
We probably the best show I ever played most wild show, not best, but most wild show we

794
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:16,200
played with title fight in a house in Austin, Texas in 2011.

795
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,120
The house was packed out and you just like couldn't move because of how many people were

796
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,120
there.

797
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,760
OK, if you are just kind of listening to this podcast casually and you didn't hear what

798
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,480
Parker just said, we're going to reset.

799
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,320
He just said that in some of the bands that he's played in, not in some of the in a band

800
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,960
that he played in, he got to play a show with title fight.

801
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,120
He got to play a show with power trip.

802
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:48,720
So if you don't know title fight, you don't know power trip, you must stop this podcast.

803
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:58,400
You must go to your like your closest independent record store and find power trip, find title

804
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,400
fight, please do not stream these bands.

805
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,280
They need your money.

806
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,600
They need your support.

807
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,040
So go to an independent record label, record store, sorry, not labeled record store, find

808
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,760
some old power trip records, find some title fight records, discogs and really just bless

809
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,040
yourself with music that actually matters and counts because those two bands I know

810
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,880
personally in my life have just changed the way that I listen to music, have changed the

811
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,360
way that I make music, have changed the way that I care about music.

812
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,160
They really, I mean, they mean a lot to me.

813
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,760
They've, you know, so stop what you're doing if you don't know either of those bands, go

814
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,760
grab you a six packet donuts from somewhere, put on, you know, put on shed, you know, grab

815
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,640
something to cry with because you're going to cry and just really get into that.

816
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,720
So I'm blessed to be in your presence.

817
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:56,160
You are, you know, in my mind, you're rock royalty just because you've been in the same

818
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,000
room as these bands.

819
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,880
So I know we were casually talking about our music lives, but these are these are huge

820
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,880
bands to me.

821
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,800
So we just, we just had to kind of reset there for a second and kind of bring that up.

822
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,120
So you've played with title fight, you've played with power trip.

823
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Go on.

824
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Yeah.

825
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,760
I mean, we played, it's funny, like looking back full of hell is another band that they're

826
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,240
massive now, but I was booking them to play to like the end of 20 people when human error

827
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,480
was starting out and, you know, thinking back like, oh yeah, I saw a power trip in

828
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,400
harm's way play at 1919 on a cold like December night and there were 10 people there.

829
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,400
Right.

830
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,800
And now if you tried to go to a power trip show, you were a harm's way show.

831
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,800
Yeah.

832
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,800
I mean, it's, it's crazy thinking back like a lot of these bands are now like kind of

833
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,320
legendary of our time.

834
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,320
So it's cool.

835
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,720
Like human error.

836
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,560
We had a lot of stuff going on in our personal lives.

837
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,040
So we didn't tour as much as we wanted to.

838
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,120
We didn't, we hadn't really figured out we're all like in our early 20s, the things that

839
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:04,880
you do in your early 20s between the bad decisions, the relationship issues, stuff like that.

840
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Sure.

841
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,120
It just like human issues.

842
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Yeah.

843
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Human error was not poised to do a whole lot, but the music we put out was really cool.

844
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,280
Matt from human error, he actually now plays drums in frozen soul.

845
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,280
And I don't.

846
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,920
I believe they were the first death metal band to play at Red Rocks.

847
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,080
I've heard this.

848
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Yeah.

849
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,080
So, and that was just a few weeks ago.

850
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,040
So, so yeah, Matt from human error is in frozen soul.

851
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,200
Josh, who is a singer, his brother's a Chad from frozen soul.

852
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,680
He's a Chad.

853
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,080
His name is Chad.

854
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,080
He's at the Chad.

855
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,080
He's the Chad.

856
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,960
And so yeah, seeing those dudes do like doing all the cool stuff with frozen souls.

857
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Awesome.

858
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,920
So Travis that played in human error, he's doing cool music.

859
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,000
He and I have maybe been talking about doing something new.

860
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,240
So we'll see what happens with that.

861
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,760
He also like toured on power trip for a little bit when they want to say European tour, maybe

862
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,240
like a Northeast tour, but he filled in for them here and there.

863
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,400
He's we've got a lot of cool stories.

864
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,880
And then Cody, I don't know where Cody's at.

865
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,400
He's yeah, Cody's off.

866
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,280
I hope he's good wherever he is.

867
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,280
All good things.

868
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Yeah, yeah, like nothing but love for everybody.

869
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,120
We did a lot of cool stuff.

870
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,400
Cody wrote all of those songs.

871
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,320
So yeah, I've heard that he has been doing well.

872
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,800
So I'm glad to hear that.

873
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,560
I'm trying to think what else to talk about after that band.

874
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,360
I did one show with a band called Letch.

875
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,080
Oh, we put out a tape.

876
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,840
It was like 2013.

877
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:50,960
So I left human error and actually they continued on like they put out they put out a split

878
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,280
and an LP after I left the band.

879
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,800
I still helped with like some design stuff and booking.

880
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,640
But my life was kind of like going more towards the food side of things.

881
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,800
And I couldn't do both.

882
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,720
Did you have kids at the time or no?

883
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:06,720
Yes.

884
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:07,720
Okay.

885
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:09,520
So again, complications like kids work.

886
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,200
I was also finishing school.

887
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Like I was how do you tell a child?

888
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,880
Hey, daddy's going on tour.

889
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,880
Exactly.

890
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,880
Yeah.

891
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Actually, Aiden is my 14 year old son.

892
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,520
He and I were actually talking about like all this stuff the other day and oh man, you

893
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,960
could be touring the world and like famous.

894
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Yeah, do you want me gone 300 days a year?

895
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,320
And he's like, no, I was like, that's why I kind of stepped back from music.

896
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,520
But yeah, so.

897
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,680
Do you want a dad?

898
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,680
Yeah.

899
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,680
So we like.

900
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,680
Or do you want a Drake?

901
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,680
No.

902
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,680
He reaches his dug yet again.

903
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,240
It's violence.

904
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,280
But so yeah, I also human error was the most violent band I played and I've got lots of

905
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,160
violent stories from that band.

906
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,560
We had a tally of how many broken noses we had at our shows.

907
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,920
I've been covered in other people's blood while we've played.

908
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,680
It was it was the most violent band I played in.

909
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,960
So yeah, after that I played in Lech.

910
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,240
That was with some friends that you know, from who worked in the Boca.

911
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,640
Like Kyle, Tad and L.

912
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,200
And all of these great people.

913
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Yeah.

914
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,880
So we recorded a demo.

915
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,360
This was again, 2013.

916
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,040
This was right on the verge of like.

917
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,000
Wiccans blowing up nationally.

918
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Hokes was really big.

919
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,520
All of the.

920
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,320
Youth attack records like Mysterious Guy hardcore stuff was really popular.

921
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,120
So that's kind of what these dudes were into.

922
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,240
And I was in all that shit.

923
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:38,560
So I was like, all right, cool.

924
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,440
I did base with them, record this demo.

925
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,040
I had a tape label at the time called you can't win.

926
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,040
You still do.

927
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,200
Oh yeah, it never died.

928
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,280
It's just been on hiatus for like a decade.

929
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:55,120
But but yeah, so we put out 25 copies of our demo.

930
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,360
Tad did all the design work.

931
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,760
Tad's also doing really cool design stuff now for like.

932
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,760
For sure.

933
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,520
The electronic music scene, like the shit Tad's doing is.

934
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,280
Every single poster I seen Tad put out is just like, I can't believe I know this person

935
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,280
in real life.

936
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,280
It's just so talented.

937
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,560
And he did all like one of the best layouts of any music I've ever released.

938
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,280
And he did all of it back in like 2013.

939
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,480
Also just a genuinely sweet human being.

940
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,480
Absolutely.

941
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,400
One of the single time I've ever interacted with them, just a hug, a smile, a genuine ask

942
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,520
how you're doing.

943
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,400
And so just big shout out to Tad.

944
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,400
Love that.

945
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,400
Love them.

946
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Love Tad.

947
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,400
I hope you hear this.

948
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,920
So yeah, he did that layout.

949
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,920
We made the tapes.

950
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,440
We made the tape duplicator, so we like did 25 super fast.

951
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Put the tapes together like literally as we're about to go to the show.

952
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,640
But what we did is I.

953
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,840
My friend Jeremy, he he had this great idea.

954
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,760
He's like, man, I've always wanted to put razor blades in a tape.

955
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,920
And I was like, what if we stamped all the razor blades with the band name and then wrap

956
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,600
them in obituaries from the newspaper?

957
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,760
So when I bought a bunch of newspapers.

958
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,440
Got a bunch of razor blades stamped the name Ledge on each razor blade wrapped in obituaries,

959
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,400
tossed them in each tape.

960
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,160
Somebody opens one of those tapes after they buy it at the show.

961
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,480
They all sold out in the one show we play.

962
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Hell yeah.

963
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,720
This is the type of stuff that doesn't happen at quote unquote non DIY shows or like, you

964
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:25,720
know what I mean?

965
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,480
Like this, the the razor blade thing is something that is just super cool.

966
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,680
And then it just becomes a thing where it's like, oh, that who would have thought of that?

967
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,200
But it's like because we sit around and we think like, how can we get our name out there

968
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,480
to 10 people, 15 people so that way we can sell something so that way we can pay for

969
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,400
gas to get back to the house or the next show or a recording or practice space or whatever.

970
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,440
But yeah, sometimes the necessity of the idea is what creates some of the coolest ideas

971
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,520
and it becomes like a hook to just like, I mean, who would have thought?

972
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,520
Yeah.

973
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,840
And it's a simple idea, but like super simple to know that.

974
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,840
Yeah.

975
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,560
And so you all thought of it.

976
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,160
So yeah, we we played this one show.

977
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,400
We had some like kind of theatrics.

978
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,400
Tad had a gas can full of water that he was throwing on the audience and like lighting

979
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,880
matches and throwing them at him.

980
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,880
That show was also awesome.

981
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,240
I've got some photos from it, but it was Wiccans breakout.

982
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,760
Oh, who else played that?

983
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,760
Wiccans and breakout, though.

984
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,760
I mean, those two alone.

985
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,760
Sure.

986
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,600
If you're not familiar with Wiccans, check them out like Denton royalty that moved to

987
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Austin and if you're familiar with Andrew Savage, he was one of the founding members

988
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,480
before he broke off to do Parking Courts.

989
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Yeah.

990
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,160
And then Adam, who plays in Wiccans, he's a vocalist.

991
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,440
He's done so many cool bands over the years.

992
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,520
I actually met him at the first heinous genetics show I played.

993
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,520
There you go.

994
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,760
So had known him for a while.

995
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,760
Circle back.

996
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,760
Yeah.

997
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,760
At 1919.

998
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,760
It's all all connected.

999
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,600
I think out I'm not sure if they're still active, but one of the coolest like Oi influenced

1000
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,040
bands, but they're I wouldn't call them hardcore.

1001
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,040
I wouldn't call them punk.

1002
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,240
They're into all kinds of cool stuff.

1003
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,400
So and I'm trying to remember who else was on that show.

1004
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,440
There are a bunch of homies on it.

1005
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,720
But yeah, so did that.

1006
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:20,840
And then we played that one show and we never played another show after that.

1007
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,840
That was it.

1008
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,440
It was a great show.

1009
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,760
We got a great reaction.

1010
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,720
We sold all the tapes and we call it a day.

1011
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:27,720
Thank you.

1012
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,520
The greatest guy hardcore out on hard out on a high note.

1013
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,520
Yeah.

1014
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:38,040
And then human air after they recorded their LP with only like one to two original members

1015
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,480
in the band, they kind of went on hiatus.

1016
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,680
And then we got asked to do it beyond the wasteland like original lineup show.

1017
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,600
So we did that and we played I think in 2015 and 2016.

1018
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,360
In 2015, we played with gate creepers their first time coming through.

1019
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,360
And so we got back together to play with them.

1020
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Now they're like huge.

1021
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,440
It was like right a few kids there.

1022
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,600
It was they were awesome.

1023
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Like I when I saw their comments like, hey, we should try and get on this.

1024
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,000
Oh, well, people have been asking us.

1025
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
All right, cool.

1026
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,480
We did that 2016.

1027
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,800
We played again.

1028
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Some stuff came up or just like, hey, let's just put it to bed.

1029
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Never again.

1030
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:21,440
And then after that, I didn't play music until 2020 when I got asked to join unspell.

1031
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,360
And now you're just kind of free agent free ball.

1032
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,360
I've got a project with Brian from unspell.

1033
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,520
He and I are working with our friend Adam.

1034
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Love that.

1035
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Love that.

1036
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,960
So I'll quickly go through like my musical rundown and then we'll get to some violence.

1037
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:44,960
I started playing guitar because I played a lot of sports and then I broke my finger

1038
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,360
and I needed something to do because I was kind of driving myself nuts.

1039
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,120
And my parents bought me a guitar when I was like eight.

1040
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,440
And it was a classical guitar that just kind of sat in the closet.

1041
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,840
So broke my finger, my index finger on my left hand, which is kind of counterintuitive.

1042
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,480
You kind of need fingers to play the guitar.

1043
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:09,040
But I taught myself how to play guitar, restrung that classical guitar with still strings,

1044
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:14,760
learned how to tune a guitar, read a few interviews from Kurt Cobain about learning

1045
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,160
how he played the guitar or how he learned to play the guitar.

1046
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,000
And in my mind, I was like, I can do this.

1047
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,600
And basically just started listening to Nirvana, half Nirvana and half like Jesus worship songs

1048
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,840
because part of the deal of like me growing up in a Christian household and playing the

1049
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,520
guitar was like, oh, I'm a built in like praise and worship kid now.

1050
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:42,680
So I did that a lot of my performative like experience comes from the fact that I was

1051
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,720
ordained and licensed as a minister when I was 14 or 15 years old.

1052
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,080
My dad was also a minister and so we would kind of come as a package deal.

1053
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,680
He was the youth pastor who had a youth who could play music for the youth.

1054
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:01,320
And so played almost every Wednesday, Sunday and any type of like church setting you can

1055
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,040
think of mostly guitar.

1056
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,520
But all throughout that time that I was in high school, I also played trombone.

1057
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:13,600
And so got a lot of theory and different performance experience in that performative setting and

1058
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:20,880
actually got a scholarship to go play music at Dallas Baptist University after high school.

1059
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:27,000
So I have a lot of like background music experience that's not like super like in performative

1060
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,240
like punk hardcore.

1061
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:32,400
That didn't come to later for me.

1062
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,200
Did you ever play in a ska band since you played trombone?

1063
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,840
The world needs to know.

1064
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,160
I tried to form a ska band.

1065
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,600
It just was on the like back end of like that third wave.

1066
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,880
So it was like, come on guys, we can do it.

1067
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,480
And then it was like we probably played like three or four like practices.

1068
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,160
And then we realized that like it's really hard to play in a ska band.

1069
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,160
Growing up, ska was huge.

1070
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,160
Like some of my first like local shows were ska shows.

1071
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:10,320
So speaking of ska and growing up, our the vocalist in our band, Jordan, unspell, he

1072
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,320
sent me some.

1073
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,560
He's going through, he's been on a kick of like trying to find some of his old band shirts

1074
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,840
because he's been on like a big resale kick lately.

1075
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,480
And he's got a ton of great stuff.

1076
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,720
But as he was going through some of his stuff, he sent me a flyer for a show that he went

1077
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,840
to in high school.

1078
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,640
And we actually went to the same show at the exact same time, even though we didn't know

1079
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,920
each other.

1080
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,240
It was Saturday, October 2nd.

1081
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:43,800
I believe this was the year of 2000.

1082
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,360
It was at Holiday Roller Rink in Northeast Fort Worth.

1083
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Was that Holtam City?

1084
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,960
Yes, that's correct.

1085
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,960
It's no longer there.

1086
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,080
It's actually a Birdville ISD like 4H thing now.

1087
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,240
So I'm going to let you take a look at this.

1088
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:04,600
This is the same show that we were at at the same time while we were in high school, but

1089
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,520
not knowing each other.

1090
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,720
The W's, Five Iron Frenzy.

1091
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,760
Oh, God, I love some good Christian scott.

1092
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,800
The insiders, Justin McRoberts.

1093
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,800
Yeah.

1094
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,840
So I don't know if you remember the W's.

1095
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:17,960
They had one song.

1096
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,400
I don't know how they're doing on this.

1097
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,240
Five Iron Frenzy is the only band I recognize on there.

1098
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,240
They should be.

1099
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,560
They should be headlining this tour.

1100
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,280
The W's at the time had a one hit wonder on Christian Radio called You Are the Devil

1101
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,280
and the Devil is Bad.

1102
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,920
It was like, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum,

1103
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:40,440
brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, brum.

1104
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,440
religious.

1105
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,560
There's something in the show and stuff and stuff.

1106
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,280
This was so dove-like.

1107
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,880
So I think people felt really horrified and thought that like it was a really terrible,

1108
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,480
not even Scaw but because they had horns in the band.

1109
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,880
It was like, oh you're a scab news.

1110
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,320
Just a super quick aside the Holiday Roller rink and Holtam City, shout out to Holtam

1111
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,640
particularly the Christians.

1112
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:05,480
Pick it up.

1113
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,320
Yeah.

1114
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,480
So after like in high school, I tried to have this band.

1115
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,480
We were called No Fun Intended because of the pun.

1116
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,000
Pony.

1117
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,680
No Fun Intended or NFI because it was like AFI, NFI.

1118
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,600
So also NewfoundGlory, NFG, NFI.

1119
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,720
I was super into like that whole thing

1120
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,120
because like I thought that was really cool.

1121
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,560
Like you could go by a name or you could go by an acronym.

1122
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,200
Some both of them are cool.

1123
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,280
Early 2000s, you either put a the in front of it,

1124
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,240
numbers of the end or an acronym.

1125
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:36,720
Correct.

1126
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,600
So I thought it was I was I thought it was so clever

1127
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,440
as a senior in high school coming up with this

1128
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,000
No Fun Intended kind of like punkish name, NFI.

1129
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,520
We played one show.

1130
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,520
It was a buzz oven battle of the bands.

1131
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,320
And I brought two guitars with me.

1132
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,320
And for some reason they had us like it was like

1133
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,240
backstage was outside.

1134
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:08,000
And so I had both of my guitars just sitting outside

1135
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,280
for like several hours.

1136
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,920
And then like when it came my time to play,

1137
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,320
I brought them from outside to a very air conditioned stage.

1138
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,160
And so strings, I popped so many strings.

1139
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,720
I think I popped two on the first one.

1140
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,280
And I was like, I brought a second guitar

1141
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,440
and then brought up my second guitar.

1142
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,440
And then on like the first chord I brought,

1143
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,120
I broke like two on those.

1144
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,200
And I was like, there's just no way I can finish this.

1145
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,880
So it was a really embarrassing, hard time.

1146
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,800
That was my like first quote unquote

1147
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,240
non Jesus performance.

1148
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:39,960
It was at the rec room.

1149
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,280
RIP.

1150
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,360
Yeah, it was like a late afternoon show.

1151
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,360
And so that was kind of weird and threw me off for a while.

1152
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,720
But then after that, I kind of just started trying

1153
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,080
to like write songs.

1154
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,120
And I was working with a good friend of mine

1155
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,200
at the time and we would just kind of like float ideas

1156
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,040
back and forth.

1157
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,640
I was really like, well, what if we do this?

1158
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:01,480
What if we did this?

1159
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,080
What if we did this?

1160
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,600
The first band I was ever in that kind of like played shows

1161
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,440
out and about was called Beauregard.

1162
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,160
They were kind of like a baroque, very like,

1163
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,240
you had to dress up to be on stage like suits and like,

1164
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,080
like,

1165
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,200
again, age 3000.

1166
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Yeah, it was very like killers and the stroke.

1167
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,760
Arcade fire.

1168
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,480
Yeah, like if you had to like have a vest

1169
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,600
and a weird like maybe like a ukulele and, you know,

1170
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:29,600
everything else.

1171
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,240
But so yeah, that was Beauregard.

1172
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,480
They were Le Beauregard chic.

1173
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,480
That was a fun band.

1174
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,200
We got a chance to play a lot of cool shows in and around

1175
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,880
the area, a lot of Denton shows, a lot of Dallas shows.

1176
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,000
I was still making my own music at the time.

1177
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,760
And then after that, I was in another group called Titan Moon,

1178
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,040
which was a local group in the area that that got a few shows

1179
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,920
was here and there. We played with a lot of, you know,

1180
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,120
local bands.

1181
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,480
What years was Titan Moon around?

1182
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,440
So Titan Moon was, let's see, it's 2024.

1183
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,800
So I would say 2007, 2008 kind of.

1184
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,520
Because Truman, my son was born in 2008.

1185
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,840
And that was when we were in Japan.

1186
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,720
So I would say like maybe 2006, seven and eight

1187
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,960
somewhere in there because like 2010, 2011,

1188
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,080
there was another local band called either Titan Moon or Moon

1189
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,200
Titan. They were called the Moon Titan.

1190
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,160
Well, this was my roommate at the time.

1191
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,560
It was two members of Power Trip that did.

1192
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,120
It was like sleep influenced stuff and they played a handful of shows.

1193
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,400
Yeah. Interesting.

1194
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,480
So the lead singer for that project Titan Moon, his name is Tyler.

1195
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,400
He's now living, I think, in New York.

1196
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,800
And he is a pretty kind of famous ish artist.

1197
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,720
And one of his paintings is hanging up in Gusto's.

1198
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,600
So if you ever go to Gusto's and you see a painting of Andy Warhol

1199
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,880
eating a hamburger, Tyler, the lead singer of that project painted that.

1200
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,880
That was probably the craziest, zaniest time I've ever had in playing

1201
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,000
and making music, made two records with them.

1202
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,800
Got a chance to tour all around the world.

1203
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,720
Uh, got a chance to play in Pakistan.

1204
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,480
We've played, we visited Bahrain, Dubai, China.

1205
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,440
How did you leave Pakistan?

1206
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,800
Was it with an escort?

1207
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,320
That's correct.

1208
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,160
So this is 2008, 2000.

1209
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,320
Yeah, 2008, right after Truman had been born.

1210
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,280
We are in Pakistan.

1211
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,760
And this is also, like,

1212
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,680
Septemberishly Septemberish.

1213
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:51,800
And during this time, there was an international program called Daniel Pearl World Music Days.

1214
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,560
And we got in contact with them.

1215
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,880
Basically, they wanted to hold concerts all around the world and memory of this journalist

1216
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,800
who had been captured and killed by the Taliban.

1217
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,960
His name was Daniel Pearl.

1218
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,360
And so his mom set up this thing.

1219
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,920
And so we thought, what better way to commemorate Daniel Pearl's life

1220
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,560
than playing a show in Pakistan, you know,

1221
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:17,360
you know, a few years removed from that event and from the terrorist events of 9-11.

1222
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,520
So we thought maybe that would be cool.

1223
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,200
And so we kind of advertised it a little bit, but not really.

1224
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,600
When we went to Pakistan, we had sold our shows to Paul T.

1225
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,560
And MTV Pakistan.

1226
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,080
So any of our live shows were actually at hotel ballrooms.

1227
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,200
And it was filmed by MTV and then broadcast,

1228
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,720
simulcast around like all of their, their channels there.

1229
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:44,240
But the last show we were supposed to have was at a different hotel a little bit north.

1230
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,880
And so the night before that show, we were just kind of sleeping in our beds.

1231
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,080
And we had government security and escorts at that time.

1232
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,520
And we just get knocked on the door in the middle of the night.

1233
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,920
And the head of security is like, hey, you guys have to pack everything you have

1234
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,240
and come with us right now.

1235
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,120
We're like, why?

1236
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,880
He's like, there's a bomb threat that's been called against the show

1237
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,440
that you guys are performing at.

1238
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,680
And the government doesn't want to have anything to do with that or have any of like

1239
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,320
your your blood on our hands.

1240
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,280
So we need to get you out of here as soon as possible.

1241
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:26,160
So literally we had like 30 minutes to get everything we brought with us.

1242
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,040
And then we got in the back of these military trucks and we were legit like

1243
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:40,680
military escort guns back of a military truck, like guys with like AKs, full body armor,

1244
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,520
like all of it.

1245
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,480
And they're I mean, already in a third world country, there are no traffic

1246
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,960
signals, lights, rules.

1247
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,240
People are just honking.

1248
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,920
They're honking to let you know they're coming.

1249
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,720
They're not honking to let you know to get out the way.

1250
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,720
So everything is just beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

1251
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,640
Well, when these guys came and got us, we were just on sidewalks.

1252
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,160
We were just getting to the airport fastest I've ever been anywhere.

1253
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:10,920
So we got to the airport and when we got there, no no clearing customs,

1254
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:16,840
no going through security, no waiting in any lines directly to the airfield

1255
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,080
from on this truck into an airplane into first class.

1256
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,480
Damn flying in style.

1257
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,800
We've never I'd never flown in first class before.

1258
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,840
And they were like, yeah, we love you, but you got to you got to leave now.

1259
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:35,520
So we immediately got out of Pakistan and flew into Dubai like four days early.

1260
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,240
And that was probably one of the most intense times that we had.

1261
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,640
Because just as a band, we didn't we just had all this uncertainty.

1262
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,640
We had a show that we knew was going to bring us money that we're missing out on.

1263
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,600
We had reservations in Dubai that were not for another four days.

1264
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,200
So how do you just like immediately overnight just get a place to stay in

1265
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,440
another country? We also have visas and stuff like that, that, you know,

1266
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,320
have certain dates on them.

1267
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,400
So we just can't just like go from country to country like this without like

1268
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,040
having some blowback. So it was a very intense time for all of us.

1269
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,040
You know, I'd never thought in a million years that, you know,

1270
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,840
a terrorist would call a bomb attack on one of our shows.

1271
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,600
But again, you're in Pakistan.

1272
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:17,800
Things happen.

1273
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
But I'm still friends with Zeeshan Haidz.

1274
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,960
But I'm still friends with Zeeshan Haidz, the guy that was the head of security

1275
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,400
that got us out of the country that day. We're still friends on Facebook.

1276
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,120
We keep in contact.

1277
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,160
He's a very cool, interesting person with a lot of stories.

1278
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:40,160
Got the real story of like how Pakistanis live, what life is like in Pakistan

1279
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,360
from him, from a person in Pakistan.

1280
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:48,120
So anytime I hear anything on the news, I give it just two farts of like

1281
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,000
a consideration, you know what I mean? Because that's one thing I will say that

1282
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,720
if you've never traveled outside of the United States, if you've never traveled

1283
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,120
outside of Texas, you as a person are doing yourself a disservice,

1284
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,440
especially if you have the ability to do so.

1285
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,240
If you are physically able to do so, if you're financially able to do so,

1286
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,400
get out of your state, get out of your country and see how other people are living.

1287
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,000
Because that's the only way that you're going to get the real like truth

1288
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,080
on what's going on in some of these places.

1289
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,320
So yeah, that was a great time.

1290
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,600
Moon, we, like I said, we spent about two and a half, three weeks in Japan

1291
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,720
at the end of that tour, made some lifelong friends.

1292
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,880
I never thought I'd be able to say that I had visited Tokyo,

1293
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,720
had played rock and roll in Japan, that I have friends in Japan.

1294
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,840
And all of that, that was a dream come true.

1295
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,680
The second we landed in Japan, I just I gave the lead singer of the band

1296
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,920
a big hug because like we were not on good terms at that time.

1297
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,520
We had just gone through, gone through some fist fighting in Dubai,

1298
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,440
again, with the violence.

1299
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,400
But, you know, it was one of those things where like you get to Japan,

1300
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,080
it's just like your whole body is a vibrating from just like the fact that you're there.

1301
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,120
So after Titan Moon,

1302
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,480
I put together a project of my own called Sons of Sierra.

1303
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,640
It was like a roots rock inspired band,

1304
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:17,120
very, very much so inspired by like Alabama shakes and Delta Spirit and

1305
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:22,040
kind of like the Walkman almost like kind of like a roots rock garage rock,

1306
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:27,520
like the strokes, but like more along the lines of like Texas and like Hispanic

1307
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,600
inspired music, Sierra was my grandfather who passed away.

1308
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,480
My at that time, he was my only grandparent that passed away.

1309
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,640
Maximus Yerra, that was his last name.

1310
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,360
So my mom's maiden name, so that's kind of where the name came from, Sons of Sierra.

1311
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,920
Again, acronym SOS thought that was cool.

1312
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,160
The we had a few shows played Art Scoggle,

1313
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:54,400
got the opportunity to share the stage with Leon Bridges before Leon Bridges became who he was.

1314
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,360
Shout out.

1315
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,880
Yeah, shout out Leon.

1316
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,560
We played together at Lola's RIP.

1317
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,880
Yeah, I know so many RIPs this episode.

1318
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:10,800
After Sons of Sierra, I was in a project called Woze.

1319
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,200
Initially, it was called Ill Smiths.

1320
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,160
We kind of like played with the name Will Smith and the fact that we like were the

1321
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,120
Smiths inspired, it legit was a joke.

1322
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,720
We started with a bass player that had never played bass before.

1323
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,600
It was just something that we wanted to do one summer that started out as a project

1324
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,560
and it turned into six, seven years of just playing music together.

1325
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:37,760
We got a chance to make an EP with Jorts Richardson, local hero, Grammy award

1326
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,720
winning producer, mixer, master engineer.

1327
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,080
Fantastic drummer.

1328
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,040
Yeah, and I'm just an amazing drummer.

1329
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,600
If you've ever heard the Woze EP Get Your Life,

1330
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,080
he is the drummer on that EP and he nailed every single one of those songs in one take.

1331
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,480
No lie, no exaggeration, legit set up the drums,

1332
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,120
heard the song once or twice and just nailed it.

1333
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:06,120
We get so many compliments on that EP and it is strictly

1334
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,960
just due to Jorts seeing what we were doing at the time and just really helping us

1335
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,640
shape that EP.

1336
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,000
Couple of those songs live on the orange years.

1337
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,480
It's a documentary about Nickelodeon, not the bad documentary about Nickelodeon.

1338
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:21,880
It's a little bit older.

1339
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:28,120
It's a lot more lighthearted, but you can hear some of our songs on that documentary.

1340
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,480
We changed our name from Il Smith's to Woze because we kept on getting

1341
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:37,800
hit by this promoter in Oklahoma that thought we were an Italian Smith's cover band.

1342
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,600
So we're like this.

1343
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,120
Mamma Mia, Mamma Mia, the Il Smith's are coming.

1344
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,600
But so we just thought like if we're going to continue to play music and it was going

1345
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,240
to be like something that was a thing, we should change your name.

1346
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,440
I know he keeps on coming back up, but

1347
01:07:55,640 --> 01:08:00,120
Drake had a song at the time, I was running through the six with my woes.

1348
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,680
And like literally, we just took that part and made Woze a thing.

1349
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,560
And it was also kind of like Sad Boy, Click era.

1350
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,240
So it was like worries, problems.

1351
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,880
We thought like, what a cool name just to call your name like problems.

1352
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,320
So Woze was a thing.

1353
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,080
And then after Woze,

1354
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,640
I started on spell and that's kind of where we are today.

1355
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,160
We we put out again, got an opportunity to work with a Grammy Award

1356
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:33,440
winning producer, Alex Bohr, whenever we recorded that EP in John Congleton Studio

1357
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:39,280
in Dallas, Jorts again, helped out a little bit with the project by mastering a single for us.

1358
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:43,840
I would also be remiss to say anything that I've ever put out has only

1359
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,760
and ever been mastered by Danny Kalb out in California.

1360
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:52,240
That guy is not only a genius when it comes to mastering music.

1361
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:58,000
He's just the sweetest, kindest person whenever it comes to like working with anybody on a budget.

1362
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,680
He's worked with Karen Oh, he's worked with Beck.

1363
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:06,520
He's worked with like, I mean, you name it, the royalty of music and yet still has time

1364
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:12,640
to master projects like Woze and unspell and anything that is connected to

1365
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,800
Jorts, mainly Jorts is the link there.

1366
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:22,360
And so, yeah, I I humble brag about this all the time, but like Woze was produced

1367
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:28,960
by a Grammy Award winning producer and mastered by a Grammy Award winning producer,

1368
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,320
as was unspelled.

1369
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,480
Our EP was recorded by someone who won a Grammy, Alex Bohr.

1370
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,200
It was mastered by Danny Kalb, who someone is one of Grammy.

1371
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,400
The single obscene was mastered by George, someone is one of Grammy.

1372
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:45,360
So, yes, we are DIY, yes, we are punk, yes, we are hardcore, yes, we are all these things.

1373
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,000
But we also have friends that care about us.

1374
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,080
That just happened to also be in the business and that are amazing.

1375
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,400
So anything that I've ever done has always been touched by someone that is just,

1376
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:56,920
you know, great and awesome.

1377
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:03,240
And I just I wouldn't be as proud of anything that I've done musically had it not been for those people.

1378
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:07,560
So big shout out to Alex and to Danny and to Jorts for that.

1379
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,200
So I think we're running a little bit short on time.

1380
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,240
So maybe we'll come back and do violence later.

1381
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,600
Or do you want to do violence and skip the UFC recap or?

1382
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,800
I'll let you choose on that one.

1383
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:18,840
OK, let's come back.

1384
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:23,080
And I think we have a lot more to talk about when it comes to violence between the two of us.

1385
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,640
So let's make that a third part of this introduction.

1386
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,560
We're just going to fight in the next episode.

1387
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,880
Yeah, the next one we're going to fight three five minute rounds UFC style.

1388
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,920
So let's talk a little bit about UFC 300.

1389
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:41,160
We we want to talk, you know, this this kind of became more music heavy this episode,

1390
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,000
but we wanted to kind of get in our personal

1391
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,600
ties to violence.

1392
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:51,440
One of my personal ties to violence is the fact that I am a UFC ultimate fighting

1393
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:58,320
champion, mega fan for the past 10 years, I would say, a solid 10 years.

1394
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,760
I've legit seen every event.

1395
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,600
I've legit watched every contender series, every

1396
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,120
ultimate fighter series.

1397
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,800
You know, it is a ritual in my house, my children, my wife,

1398
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,600
anyone that knows me knows that Saturday nights equal UFC Saturday night fights.

1399
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,560
Yeah, Saturday nights equal fight night.

1400
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,920
So my kids have grown up with it.

1401
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:28,000
I just, you know, it's so much a part of my life that I sometimes I forget

1402
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,640
that the UFC is kind of shocking to some people.

1403
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:37,960
Yesterday we were, you know, hanging out with some friends and kids around the same

1404
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,280
age of my kids and I didn't even think about it.

1405
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,440
I was just like, you have these on and put it on TV.

1406
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,400
And these kids face when they see just the blood.

1407
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,600
They're just like, you know, and it's just like so.

1408
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,160
Yeah. So violence is a big part of my life.

1409
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,200
Obviously, weekly competitive violence is a big part of my life.

1410
01:11:54,400 --> 01:12:00,000
I'm a huge fan of MMA, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, kickboxing, just that whole thing.

1411
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,880
And we had a huge event happen.

1412
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,640
It is UFC 300.

1413
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:12,400
And so if you're not familiar with the UFC, they've been around for about 30 years now.

1414
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:19,000
They started out kind of as a mom and pop company and they really have grown

1415
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:25,720
themselves into just about, you know, I would say in the same echelon as the NFL or the NBA.

1416
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:31,440
They are the creme de la creme of fighting when it comes to competitive fighting.

1417
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,560
They're just they've they've made a name so much

1418
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,240
some of themselves that they've they've crossed over into boxing.

1419
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:41,320
One of their greatest stars and competitors, Conor McGregor,

1420
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,240
had a chance to step over and fight Floyd Mayweather in a sanctioned boxing match.

1421
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,600
So the UFC is legit.

1422
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,480
It's here. It's going to be here for quite some time.

1423
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,520
They've got multi-year deals with ESPN and other companies.

1424
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,760
They're probably going to be actually with Netflix or Hulu, I believe.

1425
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,640
I believe they're going to be testing the waters with the streaming service like

1426
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,080
that after this contract is run up.

1427
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,960
So they are not going anywhere.

1428
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,280
But US three UFC 300 just happened two weeks ago.

1429
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,040
It is the 300th event that they put on.

1430
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,520
And so 100 was a huge celebration.

1431
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,000
200 was a huge celebration.

1432
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,440
But 300 was an even bigger celebration.

1433
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,040
Each year it gets bigger and bigger.

1434
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:25,200
They had, I think, 14 fights on the card and every single one of those fights,

1435
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,440
I believe, could have headlined its own individual card.

1436
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,640
They just had so many stars.

1437
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,640
But the two big events that I kind of wanted to talk about and the takeaways

1438
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:43,840
from this are the two events that I would say really crossed over into sports in general.

1439
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:49,560
The first one of those events was the fight between Max Holloway

1440
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,400
and it's been two weeks now.

1441
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,000
Who did he fight? Sorry.

1442
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,640
And just for the listeners out there, I am a casual UFC watcher.

1443
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,000
Renee is the guy who knows everything here.

1444
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:09,080
So I'm here to ask questions, chime in with the things I do know.

1445
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,400
I again, casual enjoyer.

1446
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,040
I love watching it, but Renee is the one who's knowledgeable.

1447
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:20,440
So just jogging my memory, Max Holloway fought Justin Gaichi.

1448
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,720
Justin Gaichi is that was the holder of a belt called the BMF belt.

1449
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:31,600
This belt was created a few years ago so that Nick Diaz could fight for a title

1450
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,720
because he never got a chance to actually really fight for a belt,

1451
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:39,840
even though he is probably regarded as one of the most heavily fan favorite fighters

1452
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:44,160
and also probably one of the most skilled boxers that has ever fought in the UFC.

1453
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,440
He's had kind of some weird beats in his life where like,

1454
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,520
you know, Conor McGregor was kind of streaking at the time that that he was kind

1455
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:53,920
of coming into his prime.

1456
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,320
And so they kind of crossed paths twice.

1457
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,080
He is what they call the baddest motherfucker.

1458
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:04,880
And so they came up with the belt to kind of allow him to compete for that belt.

1459
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:06,400
Unfortunately, he didn't win that belt.

1460
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,280
Jorge Mosvedal did and Jorge Mosvedal took that belt from him.

1461
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:16,240
And then after Jorge retired, they had another fight between Justin Gaichi and

1462
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:18,960
Dustin Poirier and then Dustin Poirier took the belt.

1463
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:23,840
So now Dustin Poirier is kind of defending this belt against Max Holloway.

1464
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,120
Max Holloway is a little bit older than Justin Gaichi.

1465
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,440
Max Holloway has been in the UFC a lot longer than Justin Gaichi.

1466
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:34,880
Max Holloway has had an actual belt, a championship belt in his weight class.

1467
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,760
He is just when you talk about fan favorites,

1468
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,120
Max Holloway is one of the greatest.

1469
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,520
He's always he's a Hawaiian fighter.

1470
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:45,720
His nickname is blessed.

1471
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,840
Everything about his life.

1472
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:47,760
He is positive.

1473
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:48,600
He's blessed.

1474
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,520
And so it's always fun to watch someone that is he lets his fighting talk for him.

1475
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,880
He's not a trash talker, but he is definitely one of those guys where

1476
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,880
when he's in the ring, you just don't ever, you know, you don't want to be across from him.

1477
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:08,720
One of my favorite Max Holloway moments is he's boxing somebody and it's in the

1478
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,840
sometimes during the pandemic, they would fight in the apex in Las Vegas with no crowd.

1479
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,480
And so that came up with this whole dynamic where you could hear the coaches coaching.

1480
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:24,120
You could hear the fighters talking trash to one another and the fighters could hear the commentators.

1481
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:29,400
So the commentators are talking about how great Max Holloway is as a boxer.

1482
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,320
As he's boxing somebody, he hear this, he heard this.

1483
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,840
I think it was Dominique Cruz that said he's one of the greatest boxers in the UFC.

1484
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:44,200
He turned to look at the commentators and said, I am the greatest boxer in the UFC.

1485
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,920
As he sang this, the guy tries to hit him.

1486
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,960
He dodges the punch and then boom hits the guy.

1487
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,480
So this guy is just amazing.

1488
01:16:53,480 --> 01:17:01,120
The fight that we saw with Max Holloway and Justin Gachey for five rounds was just nothing but pure violence.

1489
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,640
They legit are just two of the competitors.

1490
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,160
They don't run from conflict.

1491
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,400
They stand in the middle.

1492
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,520
They fight each other.

1493
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,320
If it goes down to the ground, they're looking for submissions.

1494
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,760
There's neither of them are wasting time.

1495
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,480
Neither of them are trying to look for a way out.

1496
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,840
Both of these fighters are looking to end the other person.

1497
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,320
And in the most respectful way possible, they're both just great fighters.

1498
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,720
The thing that was amazing about this fight is that.

1499
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,200
There was five five minute rounds up until the fifth round.

1500
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,880
In my opinion, it was pretty even.

1501
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:42,720
You didn't really know Max had pretty much handled it, but it was one of those things

1502
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,520
where it hadn't been definitive that the fifth round.

1503
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:50,440
Max really dominated it and you could tell, OK, Max is going to win this.

1504
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,160
But he didn't.

1505
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,120
He did not coast.

1506
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,240
He and the last 10 seconds,

1507
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:03,040
motions to Justin Gachey says, you meet me right here in the middle of the octagon.

1508
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:09,560
He invites the person that holds the belt as the baddest motherfucker in the world

1509
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:14,960
and says, yes, we've just beat the shit out of each other for 24 minutes and 50

1510
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:15,680
seconds.

1511
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:21,320
50 seconds, but this last 10 seconds, I want it right here in the middle of the ring.

1512
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:22,600
You don't back up.

1513
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,200
I'm not going to back up and we're just going to throw until somebody falls

1514
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,120
and Justin obliged.

1515
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,080
And for the last 10 seconds, they met each other in the middle of the ring.

1516
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:39,160
And with one second left on the clock, Max Holloway connects and folds the fuck out.

1517
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,080
Folded Justin Gachey.

1518
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,280
And then as soon as Justin Gachey fell over in front of a Max Holloway, stepped over

1519
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,720
like almost like Alan Iverson stepped over Tai Lu.

1520
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:54,120
Just it was just the most beautifully violent thing that I've probably ever seen

1521
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,400
in quite some time.

1522
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,320
And it was so like.

1523
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,800
It was so moving that it was like it made Sports Center and made like all of these

1524
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,960
things because it was like it was Babe Ruth.

1525
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,920
Yeah, he literally pointed to the to the stands and knocked that home run out.

1526
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,160
And it was like watching in real time with my family.

1527
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,840
My wife was scared for Justin Gachey.

1528
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,280
Yeah, because of how he fell.

1529
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:17,480
Yeah, it was nasty.

1530
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,400
Yeah, I mean, that knockout was just one of the most

1531
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:25,080
curry like I'm shaking thinking about it right now because I'm just so excited about

1532
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,720
reliving that moment.

1533
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,960
So big props to Max Holloway.

1534
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,760
He won with a big knockout and with one second to go.

1535
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,800
It was probably one of the coolest things that I've ever seen in MMA history and UFC

1536
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,840
history, not to mention the fact that this card is just full of just killers,

1537
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,440
knockouts, finishes that we've seen.

1538
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,320
However, the night didn't end there.

1539
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:54,480
The very last fight of the night was a light heavyweight

1540
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,160
championship fight between Alex Pareda and Jamal Hill.

1541
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:04,240
Now, Alex Pareda is a newer fighter to the UFC.

1542
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:05,240
Jim, we've got him.

1543
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:06,840
Yeah, I got a little burpee.

1544
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,680
Alex Pareda is a Brazilian.

1545
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,280
He's a newer fighter to the UFC.

1546
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,040
I'll probably wrap up in five minutes or so.

1547
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:20,000
He is an interesting character in his own right because he comes from the kickboxing world.

1548
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:26,840
He fought Israel Adesanya in kickboxing, who if you are unfamiliar with Israel

1549
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,240
Adesanya, he was probably after Conor McGregor left the UFC or has gone on as

1550
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:36,240
hiatus from the UFC. Israel is probably the most

1551
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:41,880
popular, most entertaining and probably most recognizable star from the UFC.

1552
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,160
He went on this wild streak of just being undefeated.

1553
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,240
He captured the belt in his weight class very quickly.

1554
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:51,840
He fights with style.

1555
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:53,840
His nickname is the last style bender.

1556
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:59,240
He has he's one of those guys that on the walkout, he'll have a face mask and a dance routine.

1557
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:03,000
He brings like the the showmanship to it all of the theatrics.

1558
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:03,880
I'm a sucker for it.

1559
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:09,200
So previous to both of them being in the UFC, they both were in a kickboxing league

1560
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:14,520
and Alex Pareda knocked out Israel Adesanya in kickboxing.

1561
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:19,040
And so the storyline is the only person that's ever beat Israel Adesanya or the only

1562
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,320
person that's ever knocked out Israel Adesanya is a kickboxer.

1563
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:26,840
And Israel left that behind, had a good four year run in the UFC.

1564
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:33,280
But all this while, Alex Pareda in his background of his mind is seeing this and saying,

1565
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:38,320
wait a minute, I beat this guy beat him twice, knocked him out, beat him twice.

1566
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,920
Let me go over here into the UFC and chase him.

1567
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,360
So that's what he does.

1568
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,920
He comes over to the UFC and he begins chasing Israel Adesanya.

1569
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:50,600
And it is one of those things where like three or four fights and you recognize

1570
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:51,640
that this kid is different.

1571
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:58,160
He is not like just a regular kid and he finally gets his chance to fight Israel Adesanya.

1572
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:03,840
While their first match in the UFC, he straight up and down knocks out Israel Adesanya and

1573
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,720
takes his belt from him, which is amazing, crazy.

1574
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,600
You know, it was a crazy fight.

1575
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,640
It was one of those times where it was like it was it was sad because for me,

1576
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:17,240
because I was such a huge Adesanya homer, I've seen him just like dominate in so many fights

1577
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,840
that it was just like it was sad to see him go down that way.

1578
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:25,200
They fought again in a rematch and Israel Adesanya, Ropa doped him.

1579
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:30,720
And if you're unfamiliar with the Ropa doped term, basically you you get hit and you kind

1580
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,720
of play like you're stunned or knocked out a little bit.

1581
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,600
But in reality, you're not.

1582
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:41,880
You're allowing that opponent to kind of come after you with reckless abandon.

1583
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,840
And usually when they think that you're stunned,

1584
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,760
their guard gets let down a little bit and you can kind of crack him.

1585
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:47,840
So that's what he did.

1586
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,520
He pretended that he was stunned.

1587
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,760
And as Alex Prada came in to knock him out, Israel just knocked him out.

1588
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,560
So they're one in one in the UFC.

1589
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,800
But after that fight, Alex Prada said, I'm done in this weight class

1590
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,000
because it was one eighty five.

1591
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,280
And he is a guy that walks around about two twenty five.

1592
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:13,080
So he was cutting forty five fifty pounds just to go down just to chase Israel.

1593
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,040
That's Israel's natural weight.

1594
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,600
He walks around at one eighty five.

1595
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,480
So now he moved up to light heavyweight, which is two oh five.

1596
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:25,840
So he's still cutting about twenty pounds to get there, but it's not as hard on his body.

1597
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,360
Well, two fights into light heavyweight.

1598
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,280
He got the belt there, too.

1599
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,880
So USC 300 comes around.

1600
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,720
He's defending his belt against Jamal Hill.

1601
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:39,040
Jamal Hill has actually won the belt in the light heavyweight division before,

1602
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:43,760
but he hurt himself playing basketball during international fight week last year.

1603
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,560
He hurt his knee.

1604
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:51,360
And so embarrassingly, he went ahead and gave the belt back because he had won it.

1605
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,400
But then he had hurt himself playing basketball.

1606
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,000
And so he gave the belt back and so the belt was up.

1607
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:00,880
And then so now he's coming back off of this injury and he thinks, hey,

1608
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,640
I've never been I've never been beat for my belt.

1609
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,600
Let me go get my belt back, which sets up this clash of these two titans at USC

1610
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,480
300, Alex Prada, Jamal Hill.

1611
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:18,360
So the very first round, it's pretty indicative that Alex does not respect Jamal

1612
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,840
Hill or his power.

1613
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:26,480
Basically, what happens is you have a few exchanges, but a couple of minutes into

1614
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:31,920
the fight, three minutes into the fight, Jamal Hill kicks

1615
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,600
Alex in the growing.

1616
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,400
You can hear the cup pop.

1617
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:42,400
Now, in the UFC, if someone gets hit in the growing, they automatically call time

1618
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,760
out, you are afforded up to five minutes to recover.

1619
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,960
There's no coaching allowed during this time.

1620
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,880
It's basically just a general time for you to recover.

1621
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:51,960
My wife hates it.

1622
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,520
She thinks it's the worst, most, you know, pansy move in sports.

1623
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,080
Basically, like she's like, I gave birth to four children.

1624
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,200
You know, to me, it's like no drugs.

1625
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,080
You know, you guys can get kicked in the nuts.

1626
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,640
I tried to explain to her.

1627
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:05,560
It's just never.

1628
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,760
It's just one of those things we don't experience periods.

1629
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,120
They don't experience the ball tap.

1630
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,480
So yeah, the ball tap can bring you to your knees.

1631
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,120
It is involuntary.

1632
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,480
It will hurt all the way up into your stomach.

1633
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,760
So yes.

1634
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,520
So anyways, Alex gets popped.

1635
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,360
He gets hit in the growing.

1636
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,320
Herb Dean, the ref comes to stop.

1637
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:30,520
And as he reaches in to stop without even looking out of his peripheral vision,

1638
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:35,400
Alex grabs his hand, pushes it away and says, no, thank you.

1639
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,480
I don't want I don't want to call time out.

1640
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,080
I don't want this five minute rest.

1641
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,120
Whatever just happened in my growing is fine.

1642
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,560
So it's a very cool, like smooth assassin.

1643
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,720
Like he didn't even turn his head.

1644
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,960
His eyes are on his opponent the entire time.

1645
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,640
The ref's hand comes in and his peripherals.

1646
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,280
He grabs his hand and pushes it away.

1647
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:04,760
And then in the next 10 seconds, he moves in and delivers a few blows and knocks Jamal

1648
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:10,840
Hill out. So it is a very just definitive victory.

1649
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,880
There's a couple of people that have said

1650
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:19,360
since this fight has happened that Jamal Hill was not ready

1651
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,640
because he thought that time out had been called.

1652
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,600
All of that's BS.

1653
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:30,640
Jamal Hill said that he was cleared by a doctor Sunday the day after he got knocked

1654
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,600
out, he says he was never knocked out.

1655
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,160
It's one of those things where it's like ego's a bitch.

1656
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:36,880
You know what I mean?

1657
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,400
Like we literally have video proof of your eyes rolling in the back of your head

1658
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,760
as you're falling down to the ground not once but twice.

1659
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:43,160
Yeah.

1660
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:49,160
And even if the referee did not stop it, there was literally nothing that you could

1661
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,680
have done to prevent the onslaught of blows that was happening to you at the time.

1662
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:59,800
So I am thankful to Herb Dean because Jamal Hill lives to fight another day and is

1663
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,600
not brain dead.

1664
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:07,440
But Jamal Hill really probably should, I would say, go ahead and eat this one

1665
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,200
because there's no denying the fact that he was knocked out.

1666
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,200
I don't care that you found a doctor to clear you the next day.

1667
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:19,800
That doctor probably is a quack because all you have to do is show him the video

1668
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,360
of you getting knocked out and the doctor would be like, oh, yeah, you were knocked out

1669
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:26,560
because the second that he got he got hit to the head with that left hook.

1670
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,720
He's he's falling backwards and you can see his eyes legit rolling in the back

1671
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,960
of his head and then he got hit a couple more times and it happened again.

1672
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:39,040
So since then, we've had kind of a little bit of a controversial opinion when it comes

1673
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,640
to, you know, I thought, you know, he called time out.

1674
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,920
So I stopped my like fighting stance or whatever.

1675
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,280
I've watched it several times since then.

1676
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:49,480
None of that happened.

1677
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:49,960
Yeah.

1678
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,760
You know, the other thing is in combat sports, protect yourself at all times.

1679
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:55,080
Yeah.

1680
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,600
I mean, it's like the number one thing in fighting is protect yourself at all times.

1681
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:05,240
If the referee isn't there in the middle of you guys, you still you got to protect yourself.

1682
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,880
I mean, we've seen I've seen Floyd Medweather use it to his advantage where

1683
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:13,800
a referee is kind of like on the fence of calling, you know, time out.

1684
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,160
But because he's not fast enough and the guy like led his guard down,

1685
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,560
Floyd just went ahead and sucker punch him and knocked him out.

1686
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,480
But it was like these things like you're in the ring.

1687
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,160
You protect yourself at all times.

1688
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,200
So you see 300 was a great event.

1689
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:32,120
We got to see, I mean, just looking back at some of these names.

1690
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:37,320
Alex Pareda defeated Jamal Hill with that great knockout in the first round.

1691
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,360
Jean Wellie Jean Wellie and Yao Shanan.

1692
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,600
There are two Chinese fighters that I wanted to mention that because that was one

1693
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,880
of the first times in the UFC where I've seen a Chinese fighter versus a Chinese

1694
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,360
fighter, in particular, a women's a women's Chinese champion versus a women's

1695
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,000
Chinese champion.

1696
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,040
China loves sports.

1697
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:59,960
They love the UFC.

1698
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,880
They have some terrific champions.

1699
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:08,640
And so I thought that was such a cool thing because we are ignorant because we're not

1700
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,800
Chinese, we're not, you know, super political and super high up.

1701
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,040
As far as what is going on over there, we just know what we know from what media

1702
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,320
tells us or from what other people tell us.

1703
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:24,000
But they have a great thing going with the MMA program.

1704
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,200
We see it in their women's championships.

1705
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,600
They've got some great fighters and that was a great fight.

1706
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,520
So I just wanted to shout out that was one of the first times I've seen China

1707
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,120
versus China in the UFC and really kind of spotlight and highlight the fact that,

1708
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,080
yes, no matter what's going on in the world, that's one of the cool things about

1709
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,080
Dana White is like, yeah, some people give him crap.

1710
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,360
He's a Trump supporter or X, Y and Z.

1711
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,960
But like he number one, let's any fighter say whatever they want.

1712
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:48,440
Yeah.

1713
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,680
You know, and whether you agree with it or not, that is the First Amendment.

1714
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,240
And you know, it's one of those things.

1715
01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:55,120
You know, one A.

1716
01:29:55,320 --> 01:30:02,520
You know, so it is cool to hear people that are Ukrainian ask people that,

1717
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,120
you know, for some understanding when it comes to that,

1718
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,960
people that are from Russia, people that are from China, people that are from

1719
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,800
Korea, people that are from these places that we see that are like quote unquote,

1720
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,320
the boogeyman.

1721
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,600
There are humans that live in these countries.

1722
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:24,320
There are people that are working hard towards a goal and and they're made it

1723
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,120
past whatever those those boundaries are.

1724
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:28,960
So that was a cool thing to see.

1725
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,320
Shout out to Max Holloway for retaining that BMF belt.

1726
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,640
He's changed the name from baddest motherfucker to blessed man forever.

1727
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,600
So very cool.

1728
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:40,160
Yeah.

1729
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:41,600
So UFC 300.

1730
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,560
Thank you very much for the entertaining times.

1731
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,880
There was a fight last night.

1732
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,520
It was OK.

1733
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,800
The Alexander Pantosha fight was the hot of the headlining fight.

1734
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,080
They went five rounds.

1735
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,640
Alexander Pantosha looked pretty

1736
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,040
definitive.

1737
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,840
He did get caught a few times, but, you know, he he retained the belt.

1738
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,000
It's pretty good.

1739
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:11,480
We have some some fights to look forward to coming up.

1740
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:16,080
We've got next week, one of my favorite fighters, Derek Lewis is fighting.

1741
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,960
He is from Houston, Texas.

1742
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:22,000
He is a heavyweight fighter and he's had some of the most entertaining fights.

1743
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:26,680
He is the fighter that one time he fought, he won.

1744
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,320
Got a knock out of him the first round.

1745
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,080
I think he took his shorts off.

1746
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,680
And Alec, Joe Rogan says,

1747
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,240
he's like, why'd you take your shorts off?

1748
01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:37,920
And he said, my balls was hot.

1749
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,960
So so he's a good reason.

1750
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,240
Yeah, he's one of those guys that he doesn't really like to work out.

1751
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:44,640
He doesn't really like the train.

1752
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,680
He thinks that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is a myth.

1753
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,160
He says you just stand up.

1754
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,440
So he loses a lot of these fights.

1755
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,160
Yeah.

1756
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,400
He's one of those guys that, like, you know, if he put it all together,

1757
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,040
he probably could be the best, but he likes to eat churches.

1758
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,040
He likes to swang and bang.

1759
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,960
He likes, you know, so a lot of a lot of good stuff to look forward to.

1760
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,480
The next episode, we are going to specifically delve into our personal

1761
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:09,800
relationships with violence.

1762
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,360
I've got a couple of fight stories.

1763
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,240
I know Parker's got a couple of fight stories.

1764
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,360
We both play punk and hardcore music.

1765
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,840
So we've got a couple of show fight stories for you.

1766
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,160
We're going to recap

1767
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:26,000
the Derek Lewis fight, but we're also going to review the movie Roadhouse.

1768
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:30,280
Conor McGregor was mentioned earlier in the episode and he has made his acting

1769
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,920
debut in Roadhouse and so we're going to review that.

1770
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,400
We're going to talk about is he good?

1771
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,840
Is he not good? What happened with Jake Gyllenhaal?

1772
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:39,240
Does he die at the end?

1773
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:40,600
You know, what's going on here?

1774
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,520
What a hunk.

1775
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:44,000
So yes.

1776
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,160
So thank you so much for being with us.

1777
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,360
You have been with us on another episode of Breakfast of Champions.

1778
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,640
Thank you, Parker, for bringing in the Dreamboat Donuts.

1779
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,640
Please go visit those guys.

1780
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,160
Any and every chance you get, you have anything you'd like to add?

1781
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:58,880
No, I got nothing.

1782
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,800
All right, so you heard more about our musical lives, our musical journeys.

1783
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,280
You're going to hear more and more about what we like breakfast wise.

1784
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:09,800
We're going to get into some celebrity sheds.

1785
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,320
We're going to have some guests coming through,

1786
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,960
maybe some members of bands that we've been in that we've talked about in this episode.

1787
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,280
So just be on the lookout for more episodes.

1788
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,840
We're going to be doing this weekly and we just thank you for being with us.

1789
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,200
Hope you guys have a great day.

1790
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,440
Each breakfast.

1791
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:28,920
Bye.