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.org. Welcome back, Soren. Welcome, welcome.
We're here. Another episode of the Inspired Insights
Podcast. I know. This final season, all the feels
are happening for me. As with every episode we
get through, I'm just like, things are happening.
It's real. Yeah. Things are coming to an end
or a new beginning. Or a new beginning. For both.
For both of us. Inspired Insight of the Week.
Oh, my. I know. Right on the spot. Do you want
me to go first? Go for it. So I've been reflecting
a lot lately on this idea of legacy. And I've
been doing some traveling and really doing a
lot of social work stuff, conferences and guest
speaking and presentations. And my inspired insight
is a bit wobbly because I'm forming it in real
time. But it has to do with this idea of how
our... our human drive for evolution and our
human drive to pass things on. And for somebody
who has elected to not have children in my life,
the role that my career has played over the last
25 or so years to supplement itself as a child.
And so as I watch your family go through these
transitions with you and your brother and what's
coming up and where developmentally my career
might be if it were a living, breathing human.
I don't know. There's just so many parallels
I've been thinking about with this concept of
this career as a child. And as I move this career
out into the world. Hoping it will eventually
take care of me and provide for me as well. I'm
just struck by our drive as humans for legacy
and for passing things forward and for leaving
our mark on the world. And in the absence of
genetics, what role does my social work career...
And potential, what's the legacy that I'm driving
for around that? And how do I leave my mark on
this planet, making sure that I've left the planet
better than I found it? Yeah, I think that's
a super interesting thing to think about, legacy.
Particularly because in my eyes... Obsessing
over one's legacy is kind of inherently irrational
as a result of our inability to view our own
legacy posthumously, right? Yeah. So we're attempting
to produce something that can exist externally
from us. But when it exists externally from us,
we are no longer capable of deriving value from
it. Yeah. Which is very much like having kids.
Child. Right, right, right. And to your point.
And depending on one's belief systems, we may
or may not ever know what that mark was. But
I think about those developmental phases, that
Erickson kind of stuff, and I'm solidly in or
approaching this whole stagnation versus generativity
around looking retrospectively backwards. Redundant,
I think. On what's my mark? What's my mark then?
Has my life been productive? As you look back
upon your life, I'm just curious. Do you feel
that you're feeling like it's sort of coming
to an end? You're wrapping things up? And what
does that feel like dealing with your own mortality?
Right. As legacy is sort of an inherent thought
about one's own mortality. Yeah. Yeah. That is
a very interesting question. As somebody who
turned 50 six months ago, so I'm 50 and a half,
there is a whole lot still ahead. I fully believe
our best days, including my own, are still ahead.
And if I live to be 100, I'm at the halfway point.
I have a strong family history genetically. All
sets of grandparents lived in their 90s, and
I still have a grandmother alive well in her
90s. I still have both my birth parents alive.
And so that idea of mortality probably hasn't
crossed my mind yet. We have no way of knowing
what the world is going to look like 50 years
from now and how our human age is being preserved
beyond a typical life. I don't even know what
the current life expectancy is. I think for men
in the United States, it's 78. Yeah. And for
women... Higher or lower. Yeah, it's always higher
for women. Yeah, so, I mean, that's 30 years
from now. So, yeah, I guess I am starting. And
I don't want to be working and grinding at the
level I feel like I am currently or as your mom
accuses me of all the time. I don't want to be
doing that 20 or 30 years from now either. And
so that building in time for rest and reflection
later, yeah, I guess I am kind of facing down.
I didn't mean to suggest that you were getting
like old to the point where you're looking down
the barrel of the gun. Yeah. So moving on to
my inspired. Yeah, let's hear it. Also talking
about like this idea of aging and development.
Although I love all of my friends and I think
I've managed to kindle really fantastic relationships
with the people around me. I feel like I've sort
of begun to. develop a little faster, a little
past some of the people that I once surrounded
myself with as individuals who are very much
on the same wavelength as me. And I feel like
at this point in my life, I've sort of started
to depart from that sort of teenage outlook.
And a lot of my friends are still in that teenage
outlook. Internally, not really externally in
my interactions, but internally creates a little
bit of friction for me as I sort of start developing
past my current relationships. And I think it's
something that's very interesting to think about
as I am ready to move on. I'm at a point where
I'm just over high school. Yeah. Like it's not
something that is. drawing my attention uh anymore
and i i think a lot of the styles of relationships
that i see in high school that i once uh looked
up at thought were very cool chic whatever um
i'm now beginning to feel a bit distasteful to
me yeah um which is just i i think a very interesting
uh transitionary perspective that i've uh sort
of adopted as i'm starting to not I feel bad
for saying this, but I feel like I'm, to some
extent, internally delegitimizing my relationships.
Can I ask you a question? Yeah, go for it. At
the risk of transitioning this into, you gave
me a therapy session a couple minutes ago. I'm
going to give you one. How much of that process
that you're going through has to do with the
fact that you're leaving the country in a couple
months and may not be back here? for several
years. So how much of this is anticipating the
separation that's coming? I think as I've moved
through my high school career, I have started
to view relationships and emotions and situations
as increasingly transient. And I definitely think
that my... soon to be living in another country
is contributing to that as I'm starting to view
the setting around me not as a permanent fixture
but as something that is temporary and soon to
be removed yeah so I think it's certainly contributing
to it however I think the primary contributor
is my own personal development external from
where I may be geographically in the future yeah
Well, that's I mean, I think back all the way
to season one and we had that whole work in progress
sign behind us, right, that we are all works
in progress and we're all constantly evolving.
And I can't remember the exact quote, but there's
there's a kind of a well -ish known line that
goes something like, you know, people come into
our lives for a reason, a season. Or a lifetime,
you know, and and and there are relationships
I've made in my life, even as an adult, that
there was a there's a there was a pretty specific
reason why that connection happened. And when
that reason transitioned, the connection kind
of faded or fizzled away. Yeah. And that's not
to minimize the relationships we've made across
our life, because every one of those relationships
is important and is valid. And you're growing.
We're growing. And when I'm 80 -something years
old, I may have very different needs. And the
relationships I surround myself with at that
point in my life are probably going to look really
different than the relationships I have now.
That doesn't mean I care any less about those
people. It just means that we've transitioned.
We've grown. We've evolved. And sometimes evolution
isn't always looking for something better. Sometimes
evolution is that season is changing and we need
something different. I think actually a sort
of spectrum that I've identified in relationships
that I find very interesting and that you've
identified regarding like the season to lifetime
is like I feel that relationships or the basis
for them exist on a continuum from context to
compatibility. Lifelong relationships, I feel,
are based upon like basal personality compatibility.
Just a human being that you thoroughly enjoy.
And then... a lot of our seasoned relationships
are dependent upon context. It could be a social
setting that you found yourself in due to school
and you may not necessarily mesh on a compatibility
level with a lot of individuals there. However,
you may share similar interests and as a result
of that, that becomes your friend group, right?
And I think that a lot of my relationships earlier
in my high school career were exclusively context
-based rather than compatibility -based. I was
seeking out individuals who were going to enable
and engage with my mental illness. And now a
lot of my relationships, I feel, are based far
more heavily on compatibility as I've sought
out what I see as more genuine, legitimate relationships.
Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right where you're
supposed to be, Soren. Really. As you reflect
on this, it kind of ties back to this idea of
legacy that... We were talking about just a bit
ago and this retrospective look. When I think
about who I hung around with in elementary school,
in middle school, in high school, in college
and beyond, some of it was proximity. Some of
it was the relationships my parents had with
their parents. And as we grow, it might shift
from geography. to interest and shared the compatibility
between humans. And then it maybe moves to geography
again, like school, work, who you're surrounded
with. In your case, who's in your dormitory?
Who's your roommate now? And you meet these different
people and friends. And part of that retrospective
look back for me is just pausing to just give
thanks to... what I got from those relationships
every step of the way, even though I may not
have seen some of those people for 40 -something
years now. Yeah. We get information and we learn
about ourselves in the context of these other
relationships we've made. I actually really like
that comment in that it is sort of like I like
this idea that it is impossible to discover oneself
without examining the way oneself interacts with
the world around them. Like self -discovery as
an internally derived. thing i i feel is sort
of non -existent i i cannot sit and think and
truly gain an understanding of myself without
uh having a canvas that being the world on which
to paint my person right right right yeah right
and humans have an innate need to belong for
a community it's part of that whole you know
maslow the scale the triangle i mean um Belonging
and love is squarely in the middle of that triangle,
which assumes that when our basic needs are met
and our safety needs are met, we then are open
to forming relationships and being part of community
and belongingness. As introverted as anyone is,
they still have a need to belong. Maybe their
circle is a bit smaller or more selective, but
that need is still the same. And so as we all
advance through our lives and as we learn to
take care of some of those physiological and
safety needs for ourselves, then we start exploring
what community and belonging needs for ourselves.
100%. Yeah. Whoa. Concluding our Inspired Insights
portion of the podcast. But it's a nice transition,
right? Because we were also kind of reflecting
before we started recording on the concept of
personality and needs and navigating the world
and a little bit of like, how do we as humans
get so entrenched in our way being the right?
way. And we had some laughs. Maybe we'll recreate
some of those moments. But we were talking about
Myers -Briggs. And so for our listeners who might
not be aware, and we'll put some links and pieces
for folks to learn more, the Myers -Briggs type
indicator, MBTI, is a very well -known personality.
test. You folks can find it on the interwebs.
And it's a series of questions that evaluate
your preferences on four dimensions. And so we
have the dimension of our focus around the world.
So introvert versus extrovert, I or E. We have
the dimension of how we take in information.
So sensing versus intuition. We have the dimension
of how we make decisions, thinking or feeling,
and then how we live our outside world, judging
versus perceiving. And that's probably the letters
that are most confusing for folks. And we'll
describe a little bit this way. And I just want
to say I am no expert in Myers -Briggs. It's
an inventory I've done dozens of times. It was
very... It's often used in office settings and
in res life, residential life, college settings
to help develop some shared empathy, shared perspective
taking on how other people around you are wired.
And each of these personality types, of which
there are 16, right, these four dimensions and
every possible combination gets you 16 different.
And each type has some strengths and each type
has some maybe more Achilles heels, things to
be watchful of. So we were having some fun. I've
got we've got cheat sheets here. We were having
some fun with your mom before we started just
kind of assessing where we are on the Myers -Briggs.
So, again, I've taken this test dozens of times.
I am an E .S. F, J. So extrovert, sensing, feeling,
judging. And again, I will talk about that JP
because that's, I think, where it gets more confusing
for folks. I, and when you take the inventory,
depending on the ones you're taking, it's the
level of strength, like the degree of which you
rely on these four dimensions. Of my four letters,
the J is the strongest. And that J really is
more about organization, planfulness, consistency,
calendars, post -it notes, alarm clocks. Those
are all the images of the J that come up. You
are an E -N -T -P. Extrovert, intuition, thinking,
perceiving. Almost the total opposite. We're
both extroverts. We're both extroverts. And even
extroverts need time to just sit with ourselves,
right? So we may get our energy from others in
our space. And the Achilles heel of that is how
do we bring ourselves down and just sit with
our own thoughts? Yeah, regarding my... specific
brand of extroversion i used to have a lot of
difficulty um unwinding from so like positive
social settings without emotionally crashing
hard yeah um like for example one of my attempts
was directly after having a lovely evening with
my parents that was very positive uh and then
i had a really fun phone call with one of my
friends that was also extremely positive and
i got a lot of energy from that and then When
you feel the absence of that energy and the sensation
of like aloneness starts draining you. That's
what I had a lot of issues with. Yeah. And I
think through my recovery, I have sort of not
I've not become an introvert by any means, but
I have become less of an extrovert. Certainly.
Yeah. Maybe you appreciate more of those introverted
moments. A hundred percent. Yeah. For me, I'm
curious for you. theater, movies, amusement parks,
those things that might happen in the evening,
it takes me, because I'm just sitting in the
buzz and the hum around me, if I get home from
a really cool Broadway show or musical or concert
that ends at, what, 10, 30, 11 plus at night,
it will take me hours. to then come down from
that energy and sleep. My husband on the other
end of things, and he will be the first to say,
and I can hear him now as he's editing this episode,
he's an extrovert and he's not. He's an introvert.
And he can shut down and take a nap in the middle
of Disneyland. In the middle of a show. I'd be
incapable of that. Because we are soaking in
that energy. And so I think sometimes the introvert
extrovert discussion gets a little stigmatized
that introverts are seen as not social and extroverts
are seen as go, go, go, social, social. And it's
really more about energy. A hundred percent.
I think it's important to. differentiate that
it is about energy too because like a lot of
introverts are extremely socially outgoing individuals
that are capable of carrying on an extremely
energetic conversation for long periods of time
interacting with others for long periods absolutely
it just slowly becomes draining for them whereas
that for us it recharges our battery 100 that's
Derek is that Derek can um talk about a multitude
of random topics and knows a lot about those
topics and be energized and jazzed in that conversation,
and then the crash comes. And I'm the opposite.
I'm energized in those conversations, and the
hum is still buzzing through my brain and body,
and it takes a while to then come down. Like
you, I'm learning to lean into my more introverted
opportunities. And as extroverts, we need those
reminders to... hit pause and and do some of
that recharge time and then the other dimensions
that i want to get to the j and the p because
that's where you and i are i think most opposite
and we'll get there um but the uh intuition versus
the sensing for me i'm i'm almost on the on the
line there feeling versus thinking i think is
another big difference between you and I. And
I'm thinking about the conversations we've had
here in the studio about the role that trauma
plays and how we intellectualize the world around
us. And I'm wondering if, not for you, Soren,
but for humans, how might trauma impact this
Myers -Briggs? these different dimensions and
our ability to sit with feelings or sit with
thought. I think, putting aside me specifically
for a moment, trauma, as we've discussed previously,
can have an extremely pronounced impact on our
personality and the way that we view the world
and the means through which we process information.
The way my trauma or my process of recovery I
feel manifested within me is it made me sort
of hyper logical I now conceptualize the world
almost exclusively through thought and before
I took the Myers -Briggs personality test before
my trauma and I was a feeler rather than a thinker
and now I'm very much a thinker and I think part
of that is I've sort of dissociated my thought
from my emotion and tend to disregard my emotion.
Not disregard, rather, but view it as an entity
which needs to be maintained rather than one
that should be the basis for my action. Yeah.
Well, in this dimension, it's all about decision
making. Yeah. And so you come to decisions through
the intellectual process. My preference for decision
making is weighing in how it feels for me. And
what's interesting is as I get more involved
in my own student, being a student in my doctoral
social work program and being a professor, I
am finding I'm more driven to the facts, to the
research. What does the research say? what's
out there that's not just anecdotal, but really
empirical, evidence -based. And so moving myself
on that slide ruler a bit towards the T as well.
I think I am very much similar to you in that
aspect. I am highly skeptical of information.
And actually, before this episode, when we decided
to incorporate Myers -Briggs into it, I was quite
skeptical of Myers -Briggs. And I think it's
important to note that there is not a massive
amount of legitimate research backing up the
claims of Myers -Briggs personality tests or
their utility or efficacy in given situations.
So I was highly skeptical of featuring it heavily
in this episode. However, I think it is a useful
tool. Yeah. And for me, it's a great conversation
starter. Yeah. And building just understanding.
So again, with the introvert and the extrovert,
if I'm in an office setting or a dorm setting
and all of the people around me are introverts
and I'm the only extrovert, I've... In order
to be really successful in those relationships,
I've got to respect their need for some just
my energy might be big and loud at times and
vice versa, right? An introvert might want to
be thoughtful about how to engage successfully
with extroverts being mindful of their own energy
needs and how to adjust in the moment and ramp
up. Yeah. It's certainly useful as a systematic
tool for empathy. So let's talk about JP or PJ.
So I am all the way J. I fully acknowledge, again,
alarm clocks, post -its, to -do lists, schedules,
order, labels on boxes, and books on my bookshelf
that are... very ordered and all aligned in the
same way. That's my preference for how I organize
the world around me. When I talk to you about
post -its, to -do lists, schedules, alarms, you
almost have a visceral reaction to it. I can
see it. You started cracking your knuckles. You
started tensing up. Yeah, I feel like I react
very negatively to constraints and very positively
to chaos. I thoroughly enjoy chaos as something
that brings me a lot of positive emotions. And
I feel that plans... I despise plans and I feel
that they have a tendency to limit our agency
as humans. We are deciding a course and then
electing to continue on that course almost blindly
without examining situations as we go. For me,
planning is almost like making decisions without
complete data. Oh, you are such your parents'
child. We have... So why we started talking about
this in full disclosure is you and your family,
the four of you, have a giant trip coming up
and you're going to be out of the country and
exploring lots of cool stuff. And you, as a family,
pride yourself on traveling as light as possible,
traveling with as long as you know what time
to be at the airport and where you're sleeping,
you're going to have a great time. And that stresses
me out. And I've been joking with your mom about
this for literally months now. It stresses me
out. And I'm not saying, although I am saying,
there's a right way or a wrong way, although
I am. It's fascinating to me from an understanding
and empathy, which has inspired insights all
the way. It's fascinating to me how what... Because
it's not even a preference. What brings you joy
and your outlook on life can be so opposite for
me and folks like me who, I'm the guy, when Derek
and I got married, I made an itinerary for every
guest that told them when they could be on their
own and when we needed their time and attention,
of which your parents were at our wedding. And
I know now that... totally killed your parents'
experience in the country we were at for our
wedding. I'm sure they still had a lovely time.
But I do feel like for me, like my emotional
response to plans, orders, like a set regimen
of activities is quite visceral. I react very
negatively to that. Yeah. And to some extent
that is to my detriment as I'm largely incapable
of completing the work that I have to. However.
I do feel that like living a life that is planned
out by you beforehand is sort of neglecting a
core aspect of the human experience. And that
is spontaneity, riding by the seat of one's pants,
and like this joy that comes from the chaos factor
of life. Okay, now take the reverse. So what
I think is a useful exercise in this conversation.
is when I think about the Achilles heel, we talked
about introvert and extrovert. I will acknowledge,
I can acknowledge that the Achilles heel for
me as a J is that not taking the time to smell
the roses and be spontaneous in the moment may
result in me missing opportunities for joy. and
pleasure and excitement. And if I'm focused on
the to -do list on my vacation, what I also know
is some of my favorite travel memories with my
husband and loved ones are the moments we didn't
plan for. So I can fully acknowledge that this
well -thought -out, planful, checkmark to -do
list exposes me to the potential of missing some
of the best stuff. And yet it also mitigates
risk far better than my approach to travel. And
I am a very, and your mom will say this, I'm
a very risk adverse human and professional. Now
I want you to flip it. Your Achilles heel as
a P might be... Um, as I said previously, I'm
not planful. I'm bad at managing my time. There's
a far higher likelihood that I will be in a pickle,
a pinch, as it were, than someone who plans regularly.
Like an example of this, and I think a lot of
this is more related to my particular brand of
neurodiversity, which additionally contributes
to my desire for chaos. Like an example of this
being to my detriment is A, my schoolwork, and
B, the fact that I've run out of gas many times.
In my short career of driving, I've ran out of
gas three times. And who else in your family
runs out of gas at least once a month? Not once
a month. Maybe once or twice a year. My father.
Absolutely. You are your parents' kid. And that
stresses... So that's a great example. Yet last
evening, I was flying down the... up the highway
from our state Capitol, having been late, having
had to reschedule my entire afternoon because
I was at a legislative meeting that ran way,
way, way late. And every half hour that my schedule
is sometimes scheduled, with each passing moment,
I was needing to reschedule the next person.
On my way to Augusta, our state Capitol, I...
I noticed that, oh, I'm not going to have enough
gas to get all the way back home. I don't have
time to stop now. That's going to have to be
the first thing I do on the return trip back.
Because running out of gas on the highway is
98 % of the reason why I'm a AAA member. 100%.
It's 99%. Why? On the way home after that. I
had to jump on another meeting while I was commuting.
It was pouring rain. The level of anxiety rising
in me, as I realized, trying to do the math on
the highway of what exit can I get to, I got
down to, I think, 13 miles left. You know, it
says like how many miles left to empty. Here's
another difference between you and I. That display
on my dashboard. is my default display. How many
miles left on that tank of gas is 100 % of the
time the display, not how fast I'm going, not
my tire pressure, not whatever the other bells
and whistles are. It's miles left. That's how
Jay I am. I think an important differentiator
here is the adverse reaction to being in a situation
in which you need to rapidly respond to a crisis.
Every time I've run out of gas, it has been amusing
for me. The venture. Yeah. Like, I felt positive
emotionally, which feels really odd to say, but,
like, when I'm in a situation in which there's,
like, very few ways out without a little bit
of chaos, I find it... Whereas you have a really
high degree of anxiety around situations in which
you need to think fast. Yes. Whereas I sort of
thrive on that sensation. It excites me to respond
to issues. Whereas for you, you'd rather mitigate
those issues before they need response. To that
point, in my car, all the time, I have a bag
that is... slippers, socks, hat, mitten, scarf,
all the time. I have a bag that has some dollar
bills and like change. Should I need change?
Because I don't carry cash. Who carries cash?
But I have a little bag of cash just in case.
I have another bag that is all hygiene related
stuff. Should I be somewhere and need to access?
fingernail clippers or a nail file or or any
number of other things what's my um oh and then
i have the car bag that has the pump the tire
pump the um uh what i don't even know the names
of all these things the first aid you know the
cpr mask it's got that in it it's got oh the
tire pressure gate the little thing that you
put it in the thing shoots out i don't even know
the name of these things i have a bag for everything
in my car at all times. As you say this, I...
Are you freaking out? No, I'm a little... I think
it's a little funny because I also have all of
these things in my car, but how they ended up
there is different. I have a lot of disorganized,
dirty clothes that I took off my sweater at school
maybe and then left it in the back of my car.
Like, my car is a treasure trove of random shit.
Yeah. And I have... I had, like... I just pulled
the money out of my car because we were dropping
it off to get fixed earlier today. I had like
$45 in crumpled ones from tips from work. Yeah.
But you didn't even know we were there. They
were there though. I have all these things except
I did not plan for them at all and all of it's
chaos and a mess. And it's only in there because
you forgot to take it out. Precisely, yeah. One
of my favorite kill time activities is a trip
to Staples. I love Staples. The idea of school
supplies. I love the idea. That wall in the back
of our staples that is all the different size
containers and holders. Dream. I could just stare
at that and envision, oh, I could use that to
organize my friendship bracelets. I could use
that size to organize all of the affirmation
cards I've been collecting and never use because
I want to plan more than I actually want to use
them. Hmm. Regarding school supplies, I personally
lost all of my school supplies that we bought
for this year of school within a month and a
half. And now the only pencils that I use are
golf pencils that I get from an AP Calc class
for free. And they're just stuck in my pocket
still because I forget to take them out of my
pants pockets. Yeah. And I walk to school with
pants on and, oh, look, there's a golf pencil
in there. I can use it. Soren. So here's my question
as we think about what's ahead. How will you
transition some of your current preferences for
the world around you, knowing that in a couple
months, you are going to be six or seven hours
ahead of East Coast time zone with classes that
may start at 8 a .m., with homework that needs
to be done. And as an adult. Your parents can't
call your professors and remind them that, yep,
you're on it, you're getting work in, can soar
and have an extra day. You know where I'm going
with this. Yeah, yeah. What's the plan? You know
me, I don't have one. On the plane ride to Scotland.
I think I already have developed some strategies
to sort of mitigate my inability to complete
work efficiently. And I think this is really
useful for a lot of kids nowadays because high
school in the United States, or at least my experience
in high school, is that passing in work late
is kind of the norm. Like it's not that much
of a detriment to pass everything in at the end
of the course. Yeah, the expectations have got
a little loosey -goosey. The guardrails are a
little bit more like flubber on the high. So
I think part of the strategy in... Getting yourself
to do work is like sort of convincing yourself
to be panicked. Oh, interesting. Right. Like
I need to intentionally create anxiety for myself.
Channel it. Yeah. In order to motivate myself
to do anything. Sorry, that's fascinating. I
innately have zero anxiety about anything ever,
pretty much. So the deadline, the pressure, it's
more than pressure, isn't it? The crisis. Yeah.
is your fuel to perform. Yeah. I need to build
up in my mind an idea of crisis as well. And
then I think rationally, I'm like, this isn't
a big deal. I'll just do it in school or something.
But in order to convince myself to put any effort
into anything that I don't enjoy as an activity
is to produce an internal crisis about it. That's
fascinating. And so this is your... It's a great
plan. I'm not being sarcastic. It's a great plan.
This is you knowing you and knowing what works
for you as you transition to your next era of
how to be motivated, how to drive and set yourself
up for success. And for you, knowing that you
thrive in this environment, it might be creating
some of this environment to thrive. Yeah. My
plan is... I will schedule time in my day, every
day, to not be scheduled. I'll have a block on
my schedule that is just, I'll have to, we'll
come up with some acronym. It'll be this time.
But it will truly be a time to just sit with
thoughts and not think about productivity, not
think about the wallet staples, not think about
reorganizing my bookshelf. It will be planned
spontaneity. I like that. Yeah? A little bit
of an oxymoron. But, you know, the panic -inducing
productivity is a little bit oxymoronic as well.
It's panic planfulness. Wow. Beautiful. Sorin,
I want you to know that I accept every ounce
of your... spontaneity and lack of planned approaches
to life, even though it drives me nuts. I see
you, I respect you, and I accept you. Wow. I
love your planfulness as it allows for this show
to be produced. What I'd like to leave are...
audience with as they sort of digest a little
bit more about us is um what we've done here
right we've identified certain personality traits
about ourselves um and through that self -discovery
we have enabled ourselves to sort of fabricate
coping mechanisms that adapt for those things.
It's essential that we discover ourselves in
more categorical terms in order to create coping
mechanisms that work for us. And I would encourage
our audience to maybe take a personality test,
maybe try to spend a little bit of time thinking
about how you respond to the environment around
you, categorizing your behaviors. in order to
create coping mechanisms and tools for yourself
to succeed better in the future. And seek feedback.
Yeah, 100%. I think that's how we grow as humans
is get beyond our own opinions and thoughts about
ourself and ask trusted friends, family members,
loved ones, and seek feedback and be just able
to sit with it and grow with it. 100%. Well,
Soren, until next time. Till next time. This
was the Inspired Insights podcast. Thank you
so much for listening. I've been Chris McGlone.
This has been Soren Peterson. We'll see you next
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