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Celebrating the power of possibility.

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I'm Rhea Carmon and I believe anything is possible.

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This is Anything is Possible. I'm Halloran Hilton Hilt.

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Thank you for letting me join you again for another episode of Anything is Possible.

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These are great stories about great people whose lives prove possibility.

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Part two of my interview with Rhea Carmon, but we also know her as Rhea Sunshine.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you.

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You've been through a lot.

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Yeah.

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But even the way you said, yeah, is interesting and artistic, it's almost like an acceptance that we all are going to go through a lot.

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It's just my turn, right?

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Yeah.

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So we were talking about muscular sclerosis, that diagnosis, and we kind of walked through maybe what the tough days are.

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And we were talking about your partner and how he's just got your back.

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What else has, and do you define it as an illness or do you put it someplace else so that it's not mentally debilitating?

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Yes.

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I don't ever say that I have it.

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I say I live with it.

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That's big.

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Because I'm not going to own it.

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Because you don't want it to have you.

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Right.

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And it can't win, you know?

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So if I'm going to win, then I just live with you.

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And we'll live together, that's fine.

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Where does that defiance come from?

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Where does that resilience come from?

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Where does that...

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My parents showed me that.

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My dad was military.

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And so he always just taught me to get back up.

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You know, nothing ever keeps you down.

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You fight until the last, your last breath.

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So my dad passed away in 1996 of Lou Gehrig's disease.

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And literally until four days before he passed, he still walked.

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He still went to work.

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He did everything.

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How old was he when he passed away?

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60 years old.

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Yeah.

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And...

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How did that impact you?

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He was my best friend.

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That's probably one of the hardest things I ever had to go through.

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This is nothing.

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My dad and I were like kindred spirits.

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We love music.

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We could sit up.

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We sang together.

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My dad...

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What kind of music?

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Any kind of music.

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Did you...

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He taught me to love all kinds of music.

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What was the first music he introduced you to?

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Sam Cuck.

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Change Gonna Come.

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I sing it when I do my full-length show.

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And I sing it before I talk about how much I love the word.

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Because he taught me to love numbers and the word and music.

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And those three things are probably what gets me through most days.

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I am a geek when it comes to numbers.

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I will listen to music all day while I work a calculus problem.

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And I am going to write some poetry.

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Because all those things just make me feel grounded.

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You know what is interesting about those three things?

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Words, numbers, poetry.

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It all is symmetry and math.

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Right?

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It all is figuring out timing.

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It's all that.

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And when you hear a great piece of music,

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you are getting all of that at the same time.

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And the deeper you go into it,

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the more you hear all the little inside jokes and references and things.

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You are like, oh.

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So what is interesting about this father-daughter relationship though

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is the fact that he affirmed your intelligence.

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And he, I like the phrase I use over and over again,

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is logs and lighter fluids as parents.

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We see a passion.

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We see the spark of a passion.

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And we squirt some lighter fluid on it.

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We throw a log on it.

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And it sounds like that is what he did.

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My mom was all about education.

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She is an educator herself.

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And so it was constantly, you know, she is putting books in my hand.

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So my dad was constantly, you know, showing me number tricks

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and teaching me the different ways that numbers will always be the same

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and always be consistent.

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And he is also teaching me about music and sports because he was a boxer.

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And then my mom is teaching me about education and how to take care of the house

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and how to be resilient.

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The things that she went through in life and still made it out.

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My mom is 82 years old, still kicking.

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She lives by herself.

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She drives her own car.

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She cooks all of her meals.

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She is doing it.

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And so that's resilience.

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And I watch her go through so many things.

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And she lost my dad.

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My dad was a love of her life.

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And she still is bouncing.

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She bounced back.

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She drove up here from Huntsville on a whim and teed me in college.

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She's been to every important event that I've had.

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She shows up.

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Like I was put in the Hall of Fame.

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She's here.

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She's drive by herself.

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She's coming.

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You know, I put on my very first fifth woman show.

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She's there.

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She's been the biggest support.

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She's always supportive.

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So you were bracketed by these two parents that loved you to life, right?

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Losing your dad though, what was that like on the inside?

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It took a big part.

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I didn't write.

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I wrote all throughout high school.

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And I didn't write for three years after that because I came to college and I just kind of

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was going through the motions of life because I wanted him to experience that with me.

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You know, you should be here.

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You should see.

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I'm doing good.

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I'm going to be an engineer, you know.

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And so that was really hard.

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I didn't even visit his gravestone until three years after his funeral.

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And then I went and that's the first time I visited it.

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And that was the first time just kind of having a conversation with him after three years and

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saying, hey, you'd be proud of me.

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And so now every time somebody says your dad will be proud, that's what I need.

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He's always been empowered by Covenant Health, Home Federal and the Knoxville News Sentinel.

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Coming up.

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But it's a healing process for me.

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So I heal my pain with my pain.

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Your father passes away, you're in school, but you're going to school for engineering.

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You are so off the beaten path right now, Rea.

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You went to school to be an engineer and ended up as a math teacher and a poet.

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Yeah, that's what happened.

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But that's quite all right, though, isn't it?

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It is, yes.

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It's all a part of the journey.

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If I had not chosen biomedical engineering, I would never have come to Knoxville.

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I had not been to Knoxville.

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I would not have met this wonderful man.

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If I had not met that wonderful man, I wouldn't have my two beautiful sons.

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I wouldn't have been a poet, Lariat.

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It's what God, it's the path he had.

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It is beautiful.

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When you trust him with your life.

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And you say, okay, what's steps next?

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Even if I don't understand that step, then you start to see his plan unfold.

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It's beautiful to see.

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Have you always been in that space with God where you were willing to trust the unfolding?

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Well, yes, because I was nine years old and paralyzed.

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I pretty much been like that since I was nine, because I was like, you got to have a plan.

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Who's nine years old and can't go running around with their friends?

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I think that's crazy.

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I love to go roller skating.

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Every, I was at a, what was the roller skating rink in Huntsville?

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I was there every Saturday.

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I was at that skating rink.

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Every Saturday I was at that skating rink for the four hours.

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Nine years old, I can't go skating.

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That broke me.

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I wanted to go roller skating every Saturday.

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And that was the one thing I told my mom.

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I was like, when I can walk again, I need to go back to the roller skating rink.

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I love the beautiful arc of your life and your story, which brings us to the art.

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The art of being, but also the art of poetry.

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What's your process?

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Now, I write every day.

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So do I.

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Yes.

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Just to put something on paper every day, it might be the beginning of a poem.

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It might just be a rant, you know, just to get things out.

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But it's a healing process for me.

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So I heal my pain with my pen.

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Do you write, are you digital or are you analog?

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I'm both.

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It just kind of depends on my mood.

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Sometimes it's this, I have notebooks upon notebooks.

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And so most of the time, if I finish a piece, it's in a notebook.

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And if it's just a little blurb, then it's a digital.

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Do you have a defined process for how long it takes to finish a piece?

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Because a lot of my pieces are life.

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In my life, sometimes it's just when it's ready to come out.

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And so I have a poem called After the Black.

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And it's in a visual book.

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And that poem took, I'd say, three, four years to write.

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And it just kind of just kept welling up in me.

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And I would be in situations and I would be like, what are you going to do after?

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After you see my skin, after you see and make your judgments, now what?

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You know, what happens now?

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And then the Ahmaud Arbery shooting happened.

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And the whole piece poured out.

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And the whole thing just came out.

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I started this process of writing every day.

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And somebody was asking me about, well, do you write something good every day?

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The first thing I did this morning was a sketch.

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And I said, no, what I'm practicing is availability.

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I want the muscles warm when the inspiration strikes.

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Because it's always around.

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The inspiration's always there.

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I don't know when that moment is going to be, when that thing happens.

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But if I'm in the regular rhythm of responding to.

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Yeah, it just comes.

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I think one of my poet friends, Shane, she said, the inspiration is always there.

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It's just when do you want to reach in and grab it?

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And is your spirit available?

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Have you practiced openness or availability?

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That's, do you write in a specific space?

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I write in my desk a lot.

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But I also have a beautiful porch.

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So sometimes when I want to be outside in the nature, I write out there.

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Right out there.

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Do you have a.

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I've also been known to pull over on the side of the road.

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And just, yeah.

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And write in my car.

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I love the fact that when you are given over to inspiration and you surrender, it doesn't matter where it is.

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It's just like, and it's such a joyful thing to feel it come through you.

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Do you have particular things that you need?

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Like, do you like a cup of tea?

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Do you like coffee?

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Do you like, are there things that you have to have in your environment?

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A candle?

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I think because it just kind of flows.

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Wherever we are is what happens.

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Now I do like a good cup of tea, but it doesn't have to be there.

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Your son has autism.

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One of your children has autism.

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Art has this wonderful way of jumping over behind whatever that is that would keep most of the world out.

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Art just goes, nope, I'm going in there.

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I'm touching.

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You need this kid.

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You will.

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He's a drummer.

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Okay.

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At six months old, he started keeping perfect rhythm on his high chair with a spoon.

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And as he grew up, he would pull bowls out and he started making his own drum sets.

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And we have videos of him, like when he's still in pull-ups and he's watching famous drummers on a tablet.

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And then he's mimicking what they're doing on his drum set that he's created.

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And he's got his head cocked to the side and he's in it.

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I mean, a year and a half old, two years old.

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Now, he's my drummer.

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When I perform, he plays for me.

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And we have a duet that we do together.

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How does that feel?

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It's called The World Is His Drum.

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It's the most amazing feeling to be able to perform with him.

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I told him, I said, one day you're going to charge me before right now.

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Right now.

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You are an indentured servitude.

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Because he's an amazing drummer.

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I would imagine.

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And when I say that, people always think you just say that about your kids, right?

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And I'm like, no, here, let me show you a video.

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And then when they see it, they're like, oh, no, he's a for real drummer.

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Yes, he's not playing with it.

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And so it allows us to connect.

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We connect on music all the time and he plays for me.

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I'll go out there.

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We'll just have a jam session.

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I do a poem.

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He's playing the drums.

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It's a happy place for us.

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My youngest son hops on the piano and he plays.

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It's just our way to connect all of us.

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First of all, it's echoes of you and your dad, right?

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But autism in sometimes is a superpower.

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Because you get this ability to focus that is unreal, which accelerates the learning

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and all of you get really technically good because you're not, you're right in there.

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I can't wait to hear him and see you guys perform together.

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I would love to wrap with you giving me another of your favorite pieces.

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Oh, wow.

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The one that makes you feel great.

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Okay.

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I can definitely do that.

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This is a point that I always close with when I do features.

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So I have to sing.

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Is that okay?

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Oh, I love it.

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Because when the gold inside your soul is locked in chains and the world done told you that

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ain't gonna change and your dreams are now a goal so close and range and you're excited,

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so excited, so excited now.

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Can I make it?

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Can I handle it?

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These are the words that filter through the mind of an emitted poetic, schizophrenic genius

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trapped in mediocrity.

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I'm supposed to be more than just dust.

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All else is formed from words, but me, I'm woven into existence from rib and dust and air from the mouth of a creator who knew once set free, I would be continuously learning new things about myself.

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I'm never meant to fit into any box.

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I see your lines as restrictions on my spirit and then I color outside them.

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The finding sight and all I write with open eyes, I'm listening to the cries of the world seeking coverage.

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I've got points.

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I haven't even written yet.

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And still I seek for greatness in the eyes of someone or some crowd not worthy to judge me.

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See, great is the Lord and worthy to be praised.

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I'm just glad that I'm saved and I'm learning new things about myself every day.

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I'm a praiser and a worshiper.

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I find comfort in the presence of the Lord in the midst of doing yoga and meditation.

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So yes, I'm weird, but I can teach a few things to those willing to listen because my inclination for the word urges me to learn more than what's set before me is true.

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I need more than just to listen to you.

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My spirit connects and intersects with a plan set in motion before time existed.

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Don't get it twisted.

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I got points.

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I haven't even written yet.

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Exposing demons with spiritual enlightenment, laying down a new testament of what woman, mother, daughter, lover should be to man, son, father, comfort.

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You see, I grow like weeds, constantly learning new things about myself through scriptures laid on papyrus.

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I reject conformity.

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I realize that my greatness is my individuality.

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So I don't even need a mic.

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I whisper and you come closer to hear these words, drench you with spiritual awakening, urging you to stop and read, learn who you are and then love that person.

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You are who you believe you are.

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Rather than what you've been programmed to believe, I come to relieve your mind of social tension.

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Gather your attention like a black hole sucks in light and more than just I am the Adam created to be like the most high and he teaches me, opening my mind to all that's been denied me.

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So that when the gold inside my soul is locked in chains and the world and told me that ain't gonna change.

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And my dreams and now a gold so close in range and I'm excited.

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You're excited.

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We're excited now.

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I remember that we all have points.

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We just haven't written them yet.

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So go and write your point.

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Boy, boy, boy, boy, that's so good.

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Man, that's like a ray of sunshine.

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Thank you.

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How do people get your work and access to all that you and the fifth woman are doing?

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My website is simply rheacarmon.com.

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You can follow me on social media, Rhea Sunshine poetry.

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And then everything with the fifth woman is the fifth with a five th woman.com. That's our website. That's our social media handle.

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So we have some big things coming up this summer.

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So make sure you're paying attention that you get on our mailing list and buy some books.

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I'm going to buy some books.

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I'm going to be in the audience.

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Thank you for being there today.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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This has been a blessing.

