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Celebrating the power of possibility.

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I'm Dr. Keith Carver and I believe that anything is possible.

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Welcome to Anything is Possible. I'm Halloran Hilton Hill and these are of course great

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stories about great people whose lives prove that anything is possible. My guest today

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is Dr. Keith Carver. See I had to put that doctor on the front of it. But let me tell

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you how your reputation precedes you. I have been doing this show for quite a while now.

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In fact we've done well over 500 episodes. The one thing that I have come to trust as

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much as anything is when somebody walks up to me and says have you met or you've got

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to meet or you guys are going to click. And that is what I have been told about you for

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quite a while. So it is a high honor to have you here in the studio with me today because

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I think the world of you and we hadn't got to spend that much time together.

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Absolutely. Well let me tell you the honor is all mine. Big fan of your work and love

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to watch these shows. They're fantastic. So I'm very honored.

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Did you think that you would end up at this level of the education game? Did you think

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your life was going to play out? Was this a possibility?

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Absolutely not. When I got into higher education I was raised by my mother and my grandparents

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in a very rural part of West Tennessee. Whereabouts?

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Little town. It's Crockett County which is still I think the only county in the state

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with no stop lights. But they had, my grandparents had a country store and a country grocery store

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in Frog Jump, Tennessee. And so they lived next door to the store and then my mother

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and I lived in a one bedroom efficiency apartment behind the meat counter of the grocery store.

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And so really? Yeah. It was a great place to be raised.

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What was that like growing up there in Frog Jump, Tennessee?

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Well, our entire community was agrarian. Everyone farmed or had cattle or were involved in agriculture.

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And if they didn't have a farm, they worked in agriculture. And it was the only business

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in that community. So it opened about 5 a.m. and we served breakfast and lunch and then

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it had groceries, just the staples you might need. It had a little feed and seed. And then

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closed down every night about 6 o'clock. So by the age of 7, I could cut and smoke baloney

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but also would sweep the floor and pump gas and it was a great place to be raised.

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You said it was you, your mother and your grandparents.

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Mm-hmm. What about your dad?

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My dad and mom divorced when I was about 6 years old and he moved to middle Tennessee.

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And we had a great opportunity later in life to really be reconciled. He passed a year

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ago this month. Sorry for your loss.

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But had a great opportunity as an adult to really come back and foster that relationship.

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So your little kid in Frog Jump, you probably don't see chancellor, agriculture, institute,

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that, that, that, yada, yada, yada. That's nowhere on the radar.

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No, not at all.

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What were the options for a kid like you growing up in Frog Jump?

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Good public schools, but wasn't prepared for college. And so Halloran probably should have

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gone to a community college, gotten some basics and go, but instead went to a large state

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university and almost flunked out.

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Really?

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So after my first...

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So you went to...

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It was then Memphis State, which was about an hour and 15 minutes away from home. I needed

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to go somewhere, A, where I could get a whole lot of financial aid with my mother and grandparents.

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There just wasn't a lot of money.

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They just didn't have it.

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So I had to go where I could get the most financial aid, went to Memphis State and knew

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that I was going to be a medical doctor because all the successful people I knew growing up

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were physicians and chemistry and physics and home sickness.

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And I came home with a 1.98 GPA that Christmas and I had told myself, okay, I'm not cut out

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for college. I'm going to drop out. And in those days, Halloran, remember, you waited

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the mailbox to get your grades. But when I got my grades, I said I was on academic probation.

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And I thought at that point, well, I'm done. I'm stupid. I can't go back. But my mother

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and grandmother called the school and found out that probation meant you've got one more

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chance.

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And so they sent me back and with some help of some good mentors, I turned my grades around

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and had a really good mentor that was the dean of students.

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Who was that mentor?

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His name was Don Carson. He is Don Carson. He's originally from Oneida, Tennessee. And

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he was the dean of students. And our scholarship folks had said there's this young guy from

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a rural area, much like he was growing up, and that I might need some mentoring. And

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so he took me and gave me a job in his office. I worked 15 hours a week. He also made me

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come back an additional 15 hours a week and study in his conference room until I got my

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grades up. And it was at that point, Howard, and I knew I wanted to go into higher education

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because I wanted to try to help kids like me.

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Like he did. Isn't it amazing how possibility can turn on a relationship if you run into

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the right person and they pour into you in a way that resonates with you? Like Alex Haley

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would often say, if you see a turtle on a fence post, he had help.

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That's exactly right.

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So, but I'm just thinking about how possibility can really be born of someone believing for

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you in you, believing with you. So that turned your life around academically.

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It really did.

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Because you saw the power of that relationship on your life, you wanted to be involved in

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that.

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Exactly. And all I ever really wanted to be was a dean of students, just like he was.

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And yet I've never been able to be one. Maybe I haven't succeeded yet. But that's what got

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me into higher education. I had my grandparents love and support, my mothers love support,

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but I just needed someone, they've not finished college. I just needed someone who was there

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to have confidence in me and say, you can do it.

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Possibility powered by Covenant Health, Home Federal, and the Knoxville News Sentinel.

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Finish Memphis State.

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Finish Memphis State.

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And then what?

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Then I came to the University of Tennessee to study higher education and worked here

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starting then, and I guess that was 30 years ago this past summer. So really, really exciting.

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But met a guy at church the first Sunday I was here named Joe Johnson.

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Oh my goodness.

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We just a great...

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What a run.

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Unbelievable.

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What a run.

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Unbelievable. What a run.

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Unbelievable.

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What's your favorite Joe Johnson story in your life?

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In my life, I think Dr. Johnson taught me many lessons, but I think the most incredible

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lesson is observing how he treated people that could never, ever help him.

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Unbelievable.

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So it was probably 19... It was probably 2004. He had been president and retired. We had

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a couple of derailments and he came back.

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I remember all of this.

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It's an unprecedented...

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I remember all of this.

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So my daughter was about five, so it was probably 2003. My daughter was about five, and he's

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going to be the grand marshal in the UT homecoming parade. So we go, we get her out of school.

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She wants to see her friend Joe Johnson. And we're standing on the parade route, and Dr.

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Johnson had been throwing candy. When he got to that corner, he was out of candy.

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So the next Sunday, we were at church. Carson's five, they speak the truth, right? Children

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speak the truth.

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And Dr. Johnson said, Carson, I saw you at the parade, and thank you for coming and waving

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at me. And she said, Dr. Johnson, you didn't throw me any candy.

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The next day at our house, by courier, Dr. Johnson sent her a huge bag of candy bars

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and said, I'm so sorry, Carson, it'll never happen again. It was a five-year-old.

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But there are thousands of stories like that about Dr. Johnson, but the way he treated everyone

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and treated them equally and made them feel so special, what an example.

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I'm thinking about when I started my daily radio show, nobody knew who I was. I didn't

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have any contacts in town. And I remember I reached out to Dr. Joe Johnson to be on

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my radio show. Nobody knew who I was. I was not connected. I didn't know the people that

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I know now. And lo and behold, he says yes, and he shows up, comes and does the show.

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You'll know this. If you know Joe Johnson and anybody watching that knows Joe Johnson,

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you've had this experience, no doubt. A week after he's on the show, I get a letter.

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Amen.

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I get a letter from Joe Johnson. I think you're fantastic. You're going to have a great future.

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If there's ever any way I can help you, you let me know. You're an absolutely fantastic

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Personalized.

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Yeah. Now I'm looking at different touch points in your life. You had a mentor there

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that showed you how to be. And then you have a mentor in Joe Johnson that shows you how

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to lead. So what happened after that?

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I worked here, finished graduate school, married my college sweetheart, Holly Ann, and was

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offered a job back at UT upon graduation. But my mother said, you and Holly Ann are

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forming your own traditions. You're newly wedded couple. Maybe you should look outside

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the state, outside UT, just explore a little bit. So we went for two years and I worked

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at a school about the size of Marible College called Marietta College in southeastern Ohio.

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Howler went through two winners in Marietta and came back to Knoxville as quick as we

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could.

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So in fall of 1997, came back to Knoxville and have been full time with UT ever since.

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But I did student activities and student programming kind of in that student line. Then I got

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into fundraising and development at the law school for about eight years. Then I went

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moved to UT Martin to take on a campus wide role.

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Chance.

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Well, development, I went back to Martin a little later as chancellor. But then went

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to UT Memphis, the Health Science Center and worked as their vice chancellor for advancement.

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And then they hired Joe DiPietro to be president of the University of Tennessee. So Dr. DiPietro

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asked me to come back and work for him in a chief of staff role.

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What a great leader he was.

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He was still just such a phenomenal, phenomenal guy. But six years under him was magical.

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And worked there. Then went to UT Martin for a little over six years as chancellor. And

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then last January, Randy Boyd and Don De Plowman reached out and said, we need a new leader

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over the statewide Institute of Agriculture. We think you'd be a great fit. Would you come

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back to Knoxville? And I said yes, but also knowing that our first grandchild was going

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to be born in Knoxville last June. So it's been a homecoming. All three of our adult

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children are here in Knoxville and now with this grandbaby and it's come full circle.

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I've seen the University of Tennessee through various and sundry cycles of leadership.

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Yes, you have.

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You tease on fire right now.

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It's phenomenal.

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Your teams are just, I'm not talking about the athletic teams, which are on fire.

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I was on campus the other day speaking at an event on campus. The place is crackling

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with possibility. Am I misreading that?

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I don't think you are. And when in the University of Tennessee system, it's a small system when

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you look at Penn State or Texas A&M, that sort of thing. So it's a family. It's an intimate

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family. But when you have a visionary president and when you have a visionary chancellor of

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the Knoxville campus, magic happens. And I think you're witnessing that right now with

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Randy Boyd and Dottie Plowman. They work together so well. They're both such phenomenal leaders.

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But when you talk about the campus, Chancellor Plowman came in. If you look, the whole face

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of campus is changing instead of not just beautiful buildings, but accessibility, new

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programs, new colleges being launched, much less athletic programs being on fire. But

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she's engaged. I mean, she is out. She's out raising money. She's working with alumni and

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industry partners. And she loves all those students. And they love her back. And it's

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phenomenal watch. Then you've got Randy, who is an incredible business person, entrepreneur,

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but visionary and first generation college student. And he's out there working with

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the Board of Trustees and the legislature and the governor's office and these big constituencies.

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But they're working together. And it's fun. It's fun.

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You as a leader, though, what's happening in the Ag Institute?

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For us, agriculture is still Tennessee's leading industry. So last year, right about

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a $90 billion economic impact for Tennessee. And so I think for the Institute of Agriculture,

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we have offices in all 95 counties. We've got research centers in 10 counties, 4H, about

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150,000 Tennessee students a year going through leadership activities. Here in Knoxville,

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we've got the Herbert College of Agriculture, about 2,000 students generating the next leaders

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in agriculture and then the College of Veterinary Medicine, which is the world class hospital.

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Unbelievable.

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And it does great work. And I think a couple of things are happening to us as a state.

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I think since COVID, people have become more concerned about scarcity of food, where their

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food's coming from, quality of food, cost of food, and then the logistics, shipping and

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receiving. And so our mission every day is to make sure that Tennesseans have access

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to high quality food, food that's affordable, that we're improving fiber. Unfortunately,

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and a lot of our community members just don't know it, Tennessee is number three in the

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country now in farms lost per year. And so when you think about that from a food distribution,

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food supply standpoint, we're advocates for smarter farming, more efficient farming,

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but also general awareness that we need to protect our farmland and our food sources.

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Technology and farming. My understanding is that the technological advances that are occurring

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in your field are yielding hyper productivity. Like you can grow more in less space.

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That's right. Cycle times are different. Maybe speak just a little bit to what technology

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is doing. Technology has helped. And let's just say in dairy farming, when you think

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about the dairy farmer and the time it takes to produce milk cows, it's usually twice a

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day if you're doing it by hand or machine. We are working on and working with business

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on the rise of robotic milkers where a cow walks into a chute, it does a retinal scan,

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and it can tell the farmer if that cow is a fever, if it's not feeling well. And so maybe

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that cow doesn't get milk that day. Maybe you rest them, but you still feed them and

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then let them go out after they eat. Or cows healthy and happy, you can milk them three

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times a day. And they stay in an air conditioned barn and life's pretty good. But the technological

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advances are huge. And we're hoping that those technological advances in farming, drought

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resistant soybean plants, insect proof corn, things that we can do to make sure our yields

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are better does help. We still have to be so careful with that balance of losing the

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family farm and yield on crops.

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But I am delighted though at the quality of leadership that I'm seeing across the board

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in our state. And with you, I have heard so many good things about the way you lead and

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how you are with people. And today, probably my big insight just from talking to you is

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that people that pour into you, when they do it well and do it the right way, it creates

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possibility. Like when I think about the, and you really have many more, but the mentors

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at the milestone points of your life, that person created possibility. And I think you

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are doing the same thing. Maybe as we close, you could talk about maybe just some of the

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things you've learned about leadership.

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Sure. Of course, I love to read. And I've got, and a lot of times when you read it really

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provides you an opportunity just to do some reflection. And you know, back in the late

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80s, I read this timeless book called Leadership as an Art by Max DePri. And Helen, if you

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pick it up, it's a weekend read. It's great. And I read it every December. But Max DePri

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said, one thing I'll never forget. He said the thing about leadership, there are two

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components. One is you need to define reality. And the second thing is you need to say thank

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you. And so when you think about that with organizations, you know, defining reality

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means setting a culture, setting an example, leading, providing direction, but then just

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as equally important is the gratitude. You talked about Alex Haley and the Turtle on

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the Post. We have teams, we've got colleagues, we've got people that are helping out. And

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they all have a first name and they all have a story. And so you've got to really nurture

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those relationships and show gratitude for the folks that are helping the organization

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move forward. And those are the, when I think about leadership, and for me and organizations

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I've led, those are the two things I try to think about. They're looking for you to be

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the culture champion and set the vision, but they also, they want to feel appreciated.

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And I love relationships. I love people. It's what drives me to get my energy from it. And

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just remembering all those folks working with you have a story. And you need to get to know

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those stories.

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All the way from Frog Jump.

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All the way from Frog Jump.

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M-N-C. Dr. Keith Carver, thanks for being on Anything is Possible. And thanks for being

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a representation of what's possible.

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Well, thank you and God bless you.