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Welcome to closer to Christ through general conference

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where two friends who love Jesus share our own

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approach to studying the most recent general

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conference talks. This is Abby and Amy. Let's

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jump into it. This talk is Be Reconciled to God

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by Kelly R. Johnson of the 70. This talk starts

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out by telling us that in his scripture reading,

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certain words were popping out to him based on

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his life experience. So he had a career in forensic

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accounting, and so no surprise that a word that

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he picked up on was the word reconcile. Like

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as you're aligning your financial reports with

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the underlying financial documents to ensure

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accuracy and validity. And I think, you know,

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it's the same for each of us to a certain degree.

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affects our daily life kind of spills into our

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scripture study. So we read the scriptures through

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our own personal lenses. It's not, you know,

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not unique to Elder Johnson. We read the scriptures

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through those personal lenses and this one reason

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listening to conference or studying the messages

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is such a cool experience is because the message

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can be the same, the words can be identical,

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but what we actually hear and learn from others.

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through the spirit is going to be completely

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different. That message is going to apply to

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us differently. What we're going to do as we

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study and learn and take that message into our

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lives is going to look different. So when we

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talk and we get shared some suggestions, that's

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just us talking some things that we've thought

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of. What would be so fun is to record 30, you

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know, people sitting around chatting about the

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topics and bringing up things that we never imagined,

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which is what our hope is for the Facebook page

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that we have, that it goes way beyond Amy and

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I, and we get to hear your input and feedback

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on what things you're thinking of, what things

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came to mind, what was your wow moment in this

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talk? We would love that. And it is different.

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That's what I love, Abby, is that it's different

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for every person. And it's so personal and they

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know it was for them. That's what I love, you

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know? Which is the whole reason for church. Can

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we just... Can we just study the scriptures on

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our own? Yes. When you get into a meeting aside

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from your home -based study and people have come

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prepared on their own and been impressed by the

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Spirit through the week and then they're encouraged

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by the Spirit to share some thought that they

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have, you never know that the person that that

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comment was for. It's typically not for yourself.

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The comment that you're supposed to share is

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definitely on behalf of somebody else. That's

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so good, Abby. So when I was listening to this

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talk again, I had the thought to listen for some

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of his spiritual gifts, meaning the speaker.

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I took the challenge and I landed upon this.

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Among other gifts, he has the spiritual gift

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of honing in on a word or a principle and then

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studying that in depth. He also has the spiritual

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gift of teaching or explaining his findings.

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I felt like he was a very good teacher. When

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you combine these gifts, with His gift of testimony

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and then couple these with the gift of the Holy

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Ghost. These teachings are carried directly to

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our hearts and our minds. And again, each speaker

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carries with them a specific set of skills or

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spiritual gifts, which makes their message and

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their testimony unique. This is one reason, like

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what you were saying, Abby, this one reason I

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love general conference. Each speaker brings

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his unique set of life experiences and then also

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his spiritual gifts or her spiritual gifts. with

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their own testimony. It reminds me that there

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is not one right way, but many right ways to

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lead, to be an instrument in God's hand, to share

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testimony, teach his gospel, and also to serve

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others. Yeah. And it's so awesome. They aren't

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just like cookie cutter. For sure. I think somebody

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on the outside be like, old. white dude, they

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might say something like, not the case. And their

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speaking style and the way that we can just resonate

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and tune in with them. I know we're not supposed

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to have favorites, but let's be honest, we all

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have somebody that we're like quite looking forward

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to when they get up to speak. And of course they

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just open their mouths and you're like, yep,

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all of that was so great. And that's exactly

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what I needed to hear. And then some of them,

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they just grow on us over time. And, you know,

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what brought that to mind was I was thinking

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on, I thought on Elder Brown's talk, like a few

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times, like how could that be? I was like, Heavenly

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Father, how is that so impactful? How did it

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just make me want to jump up and like cheer?

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Like, and I talked to other people, a lot of

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people about the same way. He's been referenced

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and quoted the last two. Fast and testimony meetings.

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It was that powerful, right? So you're talking

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about the talk about much later. And so I was

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thinking about it. And what came to my mind was

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he has unique spiritual gifts that the spirit

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carried those. And it was he has a fire of the

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testimony. Yes. And he speaks with excitement.

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I mean, and so then I was like, well, that's

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cool about something that was very difficult

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to forge that testimony amongst serious adversity

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from all of his peers. And it's still on fire

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like that. So that's when I had the thought of

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every single speaker has unique spiritual gifts

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that the Lord has given them, which is a portion

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of his spirit. And it comes to each person and

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it touches people differently. And we're each

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in different places of our lives. So I just love

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that because I felt like God sees us as unique

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individuals. Agreed. Then, you know, he said

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that he kind of was honing in on certain words.

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He found the word reconciled in Corinthians 520.

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It says where Paul is pleading with the Corinthians

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to be reconciled to God. So to be reconciled

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to God means to be brought back into harmony

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with God or to restore a relationship with God

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that has been strained or broken because of our

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sins or actions. So simply put, being reconciled

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to God means aligning our will and actions with

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God's will or as taught by President Nelson,

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letting God prevail in our lives. Huge component

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of that is the agency that it takes. who want

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to allow him to take that lead. We still have

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to offer up our hearts as being willing to be

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led. I love that Abby. The scriptures teach us

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that we are free to act for ourselves, to choose

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the way of everlasting death or the way of eternal

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life. But if we are not diligent, this freedom

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to act for ourselves may lead us or may lead

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to a loss of alignment with the will of God.

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I love that. I've said it a very good way. Prophet

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Jacob taught that when we find ourselves in disharmony

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or misalignment with God, the only way we can

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achieve reconciliation is to be reconciled unto

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God through the atonement of Christ. So, I mean,

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when you were reading that, I was like, yes,

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it does take like diligent action to just stay

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on that path and to stay out of the captivity

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that poor decisions make, but that it's never

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impossible to come back into alignment with God.

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because of the atonement of Jesus Christ. So

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I'm just glad that we had that follow -up quote.

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Through the atonement of Jesus Christ, the key

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principle is reconciliation is dependent on Jesus

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Christ's gracious act of the atonement. As we

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utilize this gift, reconciliation to God is possible

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in our personal lives. Yes. So good. I feel like

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he was a really good teacher. I loved it. So

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Elder Johnson, at this point, he gives us an

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action item. This is his invitation to us. He

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says, as you ponder your own life, think about

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a time. when you felt distant from Heavenly Father

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because you moved away from Him. As I was listening

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to this talk, like on a second and third pass,

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I listened to this part and then also had the

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part before, Abby, that you talked about with

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having our will aligned with His. And I thought,

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you know, I'm doing pretty well at remembering

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to repent daily on some days I forget. And if

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that's the case, I just jump in the next day,

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you know, and repent then. And so I was thinking,

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how does this question apply to me right now

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in this season of life? And as I thought on it,

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I felt my view broaden as I saw a collective

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rather than the daily repentance. And I had the

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clear impression that I could reconcile myself

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to God. So I asked in my heart, well, how do

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I do this? If I'm repenting almost daily, then

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where can my will be reconciled to His will?

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And that, or what is God's will for me right

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now? So I just asked that because I hadn't really

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thought that it had changed, right? Like, but

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it felt like that I needed to ask that question.

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I had the scripture pop into my head, man is

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that he might have joy, and of course women.

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And then I realized through the impression of

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the Holy Ghost, and also my series of like our

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last ones, we talked about the self -reflection

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questions, that for the past two months I've

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gotten up gotten caught up in doing the things

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I'm supposed to do quote. I've been following

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that in fairness more like a way to personal

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way to protect yourself. You had so much going

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on and your like health regimen right now is

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so intense that I can see what would you like

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to naturally just flow is just just naturally

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doing things. You kind of have to be like, okay,

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and then here's the time that I can allot this

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for, this for, can I juggle that in my day with

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all these health things I'm dealing with? And

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it was a lot to get, I'm more used to it now.

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We always talk about seasons, but it's cool that

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you got to a moment where you can reflect back

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on it and see that it's time to reset that. That

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means you're healthier. I totally am. I feel

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so much better. I feel like, thank you, Abby.

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So, I've been following a health protocol that

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takes up to about four hours a day for home therapies.

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And instead of feeling joy in being led by a

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Heavenly Father who loves me, I was getting caught

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up in the weeds of making sure I got everything

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in and was getting really weighed down by the

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burden of that. To step back from that, it's

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like each of those pieces of the therapies that

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you were doing came by revelation. They did.

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I watched the process of like, should I try this

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for myself? I know about this treatment or we

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can go this route. No, that's not the one. What

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about this? What about this doctor? What about

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this protocol? And it took months to come together.

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And so as he's gotten you to that, then it's

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like you're doing, you're taking care of your

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body with stuff that you've worked with Heavenly

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Father to decide what the right path to be was.

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So funny to think, you know, at the end of the

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day, Yeah, all these things that you're willing

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to do are going to take four hours of your time

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and that it just feels like a burden when really

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they're an answer to the prayers that have been

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issued on your behalf and the blessings and all

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of the people that are invested in you getting

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healthier. Absolutely. So I really appreciate

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you sharing that. Any other insights from that

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period of time? Yes. So a few days later after

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this, I had this come to mind. I had this happen.

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I felt these words. The burden is the same. The

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difference is how you carry it. And I was like,

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oh, that's so interesting. Like you're trying

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to do the carrying all by yourself. Yes. So what

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I understood was this. I'm putting four hours

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a day into my health regardless, right? That

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weight is the same. That's four hours. That stays

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the same, but my capacity grows as I lean on

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the Lord and ask him, like you just said, Abby,

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to help me carry the load as I carry it in gratitude

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for the health I've recaptured. And I do it with

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joy. my therapies took the same. So I put this

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into practice. My therapies look the same, but

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I redirect my thoughts of what am I missing out

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on in life, you know, in these four hours that

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I'm doing this every day, or am I the only one

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who has to do this? And I smile and I thank the

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Lord for helping me to find different doctors

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and modalities this whole year that have collectively

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improved my health. So yes, like you said, these

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are answers to prayers. I've changed my whole

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attitude to gratitude and joy that replaced wondering

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and ruminating. And it really has made a big

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difference. I do feel lighter. I do feel like

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the load is less to carry because I just decided

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gratitude and joy. Why not? What a great thing

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to just get the regimen under your belt and be

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doing it fall into that trap like we all would

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have like overwhelmed by it and then have this

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moment to want things to change, not want to

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feel so burdened by it and then have this like

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enlightening moment to say, why are these challenges

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happening in my life? Because it forces you to

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have a deeper relationship with Heavenly Father

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Jesus Christ. Learn something about yourself

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and know that carrying that burden yourself is

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not the most favorable way to do it. Right. And

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I didn't realize I was doing it until I heard

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or felt the words joy and gratitude. And I'm

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like, okay, you know what I mean? It just was

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different. Yeah. Um, reminds me of what this

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talk says, just as we choose to distance ourselves

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from God, we must choose to initiate the effort

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to reconcile. Like that's what I'm saying. You

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had to get to a certain breaking point on the

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process as it was to say, is there a better way?

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Yeah. And so you use your agency to like submit

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and say, I want there to be a different way.

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Is there a better way? And sometimes you might

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be like, there is no better way. Yeah, because

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I had asked that for a while, but I did it for

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two full months before I got that answer. I feel

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like, I think Marjorie Pay Hinckley said, first

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I do and then I understand. First I obey then

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I understand. Well, too often I think somebody

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might take this list that you've procured of,

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you know, the regimen that you could do. And

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then they'd be like, but I don't want to start

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it. I want you to tell me if it's going to, like,

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I want to know the end goal, the outcome, the

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consequences of doing these things. Is it really

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going to pay off? you know, rather than just,

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just getting busy and doing the things that you're

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impressed to do. Is it the exact right way or

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the right thing to do? Who knows? This is health

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related. This is education related. This is seeking

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a spouse related. This is any action. Like a

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lot of people, they get an impression to do something

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and then they... kind of try to mentally just

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think through what the end is going to be of

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that. And he's like, yeah, yeah, right. I'm not

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giving you that. You just have to put on your

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shoes and get busy doing whatever you're doing.

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Totally. I can course correct you when you physically

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have momentum in a direction. I can't just pick

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you up and move you. And I like that. I love

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that. The Lord emphasized our responsibility

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when he said, Draw near unto me and I will draw

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near unto you. So we have to do the first drawing.

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I love that. Seek me diligently and ye shall

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find me. Ask and ye shall receive knock and it

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shall be open to you. All of those cutesy little

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phrases that we've all come to know and love

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have an action on our part followed by a reciprocal

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action on his part. Then the trick is to follow

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the step or steps that we're feeling guided to

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do by the Holy Ghost. I think it's interesting

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to Abby. I was reading, um, I started the Book

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of Mormon again and I was listening to the part

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about Nephi saying, um, that the Lord had commanded

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him to, Oh, he said, I actually start, I don't

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know his exact words, but he was saying, I started

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writing this down before I was commanded to do

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it. And I just, I love that. And I also love

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that Nephi, I mean, if I'm going to look at it

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in that way, like a scriptural type of way, these

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things are personal commandments to me. I do

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feel commanded by God, meaning Amy, if you want

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health, follow these steps. It felt like a personal

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commandment to me. And I love how he talks about

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God in such a way that you can tell there's a

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relationship like a father, right? He refers

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to him often. And I just, I just like their relationship.

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My follow up to that is an experience that we

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know from Adam. He's offering sacrifices and

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somebody asks him why he's doing that. And he

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says, I know not save. I've been commanded by

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the father. I also love when, yes, you are specifically

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told a thing to do. But you don't know why. Totally.

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I love Nephi giving us the example of doing a

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thing before he's asked to do it. Yeah. And then

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this verse like, hey, that's exactly what I was

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hoping that you would do. Right? Both of those

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are like the epitome of what I want. Very good

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example. Yeah. I want to be so like reconciled

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with God that those things just come naturally.

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So good, Abby. Thank you. Enos is also a great

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example of reconciliation. He said this, and

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my soul hungered and I kneeled down before my

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maker and I cried unto him in my deep prayer

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and supplication for mine own soul and all the

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day long did I cry unto him that it reached the

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heavens. example, it sounds like a humble seeker

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of God to me. His reconciliation with God was

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confirmed when a voice said unto him, Enos thy

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sins are forgiven thee and thou shalt be blessed.

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Enos recognized the impact that repentance and

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reconciliation had on him when he said, I Enos

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knew that God could not lie, wherefore my guilt

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was swept away. And I love how certain he was

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in God's word. And at this point, he's able to

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let go of his burden and just go on his way being

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a disciple of Christ. I love that, that he had

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the confidence to do that. You know what I mean?

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Like that he truly believed him and went on his

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way. So I love this part. We're going to talk

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about the fruit of reconciliation to God. So

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one of them is relief from guilt, feelings of

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guilt, which we learned from Enos. Another is

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peace with ourselves and also with others. Also,

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reconciliation to God heals relationships, softens

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hearts, and strengthens our discipleship, bringing

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increased confidence before God, which is exactly

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what. Enos just showed us what brings me a lot

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of hope and competence is another fruit of reconciliation

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described by Enos He says this after I Enos had

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heard these words my faith began to be unshaken

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in the Lord love that Elder Johnson shared an

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analogy of being unshaken in our faith and in

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our our connection with Christ You know how that

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connection can look and he tells about cherry

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picking as a boy He would help his grandpa by

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climbing into the trees with a bucket to pick

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cherries. And then years later, things evolved

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and grandpa got a machine called the cherry shaker.

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So you take the machine, you stick it around

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the trunk of the tree, and then you would put

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it into shaking action and those cherries would

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just fall into these nets that were down below.

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What's interesting that it didn't matter if the

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tree were shaken for 10 seconds or 60 seconds,

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the tree that fell would do so at the very beginning

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of the process. Those cherries that were ready

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to fall, they fall immediately. You can't just

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sit and shake the strongest connected ones out.

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They're just not going to come off. So this is

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due to a hormone called ethylene. So when the

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cherry ripens, it weakens the connection between

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the cherry and the tree. They're ready to fall

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at this particular time. So another question

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we can ask ourselves from this analogy is, am

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I unshaken in the Lord? No matter how hard the

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winds of persecution and trial come with life.

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Am I so firmly bound to Christ that it doesn't

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matter how hard? whether that's a brief moment

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of persecution trials, hard times, or years,

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we'll call the 60 seconds of cherry shaking,

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years and years of those trials. Very good. Very

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good question. Just as the ethylene weakens the

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connection of a ripe cherry stem, disobedience.

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doubts and fears can weaken our connection to

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the stem of Jesse or Jesus Christ, allowing us

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to be easily shaken and then separated from him.

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So what does easily shaken look like? Being right

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for destruction with impending consequences for

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actions. Another way to say it is a state of

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decay, corruption or decline that makes something

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susceptible to collapse or ruin. Again, he's

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very good at getting deep into words, right,

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Elder Johnson? More than his ability to share

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experience. His experience, like if I get up

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there and give a story about the connection that

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a cherry tree has to its tree, so inauthentic,

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but he shares it and I'm like, there were cute

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little memes that were going on. It's like a

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cherry and it's like stems trying to like, hold

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on for dear life as it's being shaken. I just,

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I loved that he brought that up. In the Doctrine

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and Covenants, it says, even the faithful are

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given this warning. There is a possibility that

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man may fall from grace and depart from the living

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God. The Lord continues, Yea, even let those

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who are sanctified take heed also to avoid following

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the Lord counsels. Therefore, let the church

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take heed and pray always lest they fall into

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temptation. What does this ripeness represent?

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Does it mean that we can reach a point where

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we are unable to change? No, I think it means

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that we can reach a point in time where we are

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unwilling to change. I loved that part. I was

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like, that is so true because it's true. We can

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always change because of Jesus Christ, right?

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The atonement is always there. it's, are we willing

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to? So what's the antidote of being easily shaken

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or being right for destruction? Simply put, we

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do the opposite. We do the things that will strengthen

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our connection to Jesus Christ. Yeah, and from

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your comments before, like the fruits of being

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reconciled with God, peace and I can't find exactly

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where you coded it. But anyway, you gave a long

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list of things like, why wouldn't we want to

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feel that way? And if we're feeling anything

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but that way, it's what Satan offers us when

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we make choices that lead us to him. So, this

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is their strength and repentance. Regular, prompt,

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frequent repentance. I was thinking that too.

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It's like if you make a misstep and you quickly

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recognize it as just not the path that you wanted

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to go, you get back on. Like how simple that

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reconciliation process is rather than letting

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Satan get in the midst of that and making us

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think there's no way Coming back from that so

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then you just you've done it. Yeah, you give

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up the hope that it's even possible President

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Nelson taught us nothing is more liberating more

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ennobling more crucial to our individual progression

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than regular daily focus on repentance I love

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the emphasis he put on daily repentance. So do

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I just cuz he's like it's it's available to you

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if you pick it up a year from now a week from

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now, but it's also available if you just want

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to unload that burden daily. And the mistakes

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that we make are completely different. If we

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get used to that piece that we're filling with

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daily repentance, then that's our norm. Then

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there's like another step of growth that we can

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have on top of that. I feel like some things

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that you said earlier really touched on that

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better. So I'm going to leave that at that. Being

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aware of God's hand in our lives, seeking and

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receiving revelation and listening to God when

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He speaks, those are the fruits of daily repentance.

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Absolutely. Jacob said it this way, in Jacob

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4 -6, he says, our faith becomes unshaken. And

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surprise, surprise, this is a process. It's a

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circular pattern. So this is the way he describes

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it. A desire to be reconciled to God must be

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accompanied by a desire to repent. Repenting

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and experiencing the blessings of the atonement

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of Jesus Christ leads us to unshaken faith. And

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then unshaken faith leads us leads to a desire

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to always be reconciled to God. So it's a circle,

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right? It's over and over. And Abby, I think

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we've talked about this before. I used to think

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that if I was in the same lesson or learning

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the same lesson, it was because I didn't learn

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it properly the first time through the years

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as I've lived the gospel and put principles to

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work in my own life. I feel like I've learned

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something. The lessons don't keep coming around

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because I didn't learn them the first time. It's

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not a matter of failing like I thought it was

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before. So I'd try again. But the way that God

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built this pattern is circular. And every time

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we take part in applying the principles of the

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gospel of Jesus Christ, we learn these principles

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and lessons on a deeper level. So another way

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to say that we learn line upon line. That would

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be another way to say that. And that's why those

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lessons keep circling around. It's not because

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we failed the first time. It's because a God

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in His infinite wisdom is giving us another layer

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of discipleship, another connection to our Savior,

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Jesus Christ, and endless opportunities to exercise

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our agency and to choose Him. Different way of

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looking at it. Abby, do you have anything to

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add? I know you love the iterative patterns of

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the Lord. Yeah, you're talking and I'm getting

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this vision. So you mentioned the word circular,

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you said circular, because it's like the pride

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cycle. You get prideful, you make wicked choices,

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you fall, you're brought to repentance, then

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you correct it, then you're with God and things,

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you're prospering, like a circle, right? On this

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one, you mess up, you fall, Satan's got you captive.

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desire to be reconciled. Yeah, you get that desire

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to be reconciled. You rely on the Atonement of

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Jesus Christ, you fix it. So you're kind of picturing

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I'm like north, east, south, west, like I'm going

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in the circle. Yeah. If it's a circular pattern

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and we think Another mistake again and I'm circling

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back and I'm making those same mistakes again

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Take that circular vision and cut a thin strip

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and make a spiral exactly like this right now

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Hold that tip that's in the center point and

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rise it vertically 100 % and so yes, that's that's

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what the iterative pattern. That's what you should

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be thinking When I made this mistake, I made

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it a little bit differently totally and I recognized

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it sooner and I turned to the Lord quicker and

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the repentance felt sweeter and I moved on I'm

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not back to the top where I'm in good graces

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with him. I'm Elevated also totally because I

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got iteratively better and because it was a red

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line that gave us that iterative better pattern.

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What a mind blowing talk and like one of those

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words, I was like, I honestly, I don't even know

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that I had it in my vocabulary. Now that I know

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it, I'm like, I've heard Bednar say it, this

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guy's saying it, I'm hearing it all over. So

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clearly, I've heard it before and I'm like, I

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didn't know what it was. So I just kind of like,

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my brain's like, you don't know that word, move

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past it. Now that I know it and I understand

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it, I'm like, he is so amazing because it does

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play with the line upon line. Like what I'm expected

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to know at a certain age or certain life experiences

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is completely different than you know, this version

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2 .0, 3 .0, 4 .0 of myself. And when it feels

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like he's having to teach me the same lessons

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again, he is not in fact teaching me the same

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lesson again. He's teaching this version of me

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something on a deeper level. I agree. And I also

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feel like part of the Abbe too is something that's

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beautiful from Heavenly Father because these

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certain things, let's say we're learning a lesson

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on, for me, health right now, right? Each time

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I put the Atonement into practice, each time

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I turn to Him and I learn and I obey and I do,

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and it keeps going around, there is a very specific

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spirit that I feel and it is a spirit that the

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next time it comes around, it's a familiar one.

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And I remember Number one, I turned to the Lord.

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Number two, he delivered me. And number three,

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I can do this with him. And sometimes you really

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need that because it feels like, shoot, what

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if this time is different? You know, sometimes

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I just think that like, what if this is different?

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The answer is it's not. You can always rely on

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him and you're always going to come out on top

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like you just do. You know, anyways, those are

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the thoughts that I had. But it's so cool when

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you when you when you throw it to him or you

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team up with him faster than maybe you did the

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last time. And then even if the situation's way

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worse, it doesn't feel way worse. We've said

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that in other ways in this podcast. So I'm like,

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he carries it in a different way. It's true.

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It makes it lighter. You know, I love line upon

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line. I love iteratively better. I love all of

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that. Another thing that I love is names of our

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savior, Jesus Christ, comforter, brother, redeemer.

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He is one of his names is the Great Reconciler.

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I love that. And especially when it's capital

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like that, it reminds you that it is him and

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you can't fail when you partner with him. Thank

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you, Abby. In closing, he ends with this. Brothers

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and sisters, I invite you to be reconciled to

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God through the atonement of Jesus Christ. I

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testify that making and keeping covenants makes

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our connection to the Savior strong, thereby

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avoiding becoming ripe for destruction. I testify

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that this reconciliation to God through Jesus

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Christ's atonement leads to unshakable faith.

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Guys, thanks for being with us. Maybe we'll see

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you on Facebook sometime this week. And if not,

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we'll catch you next week. Have a good one. See

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you next time.
