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Welcome to Closer to Christ through General Conference,

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where two friends who love Jesus share our own

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approach to studying the most recent General

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Conference talks. This is Abbe and Amy. Let's

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jump into it. Today's talk will be discussing

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Divine Helps for Mortality by President Dallin H.

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Oakes, First Counselor in the First Presidency.

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Just wanted to say welcome to all of our listeners.

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It's so good to have you with us. And Amy and

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I were just talking, it's crazy. We're at the

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bottom of Sunday morning session right now and

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just have one more to go. And I guess kind of

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exciting because we know another conference is

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just around the corner. So trying to prepare

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for that. As always with his talks, President

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Oak fills this one with nuggets of doctrine.

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He outlines helps as he calls them. Heavenly

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Father has already given us as we walk this mortal

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journey. To paint the picture, we first have

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pre -earth life. We existed as spirit children

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of God. The purpose of earth was to receive a

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body, learn divine attributes, develop them,

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and be tested in keeping commandments. Those

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who qualify will receive eternal glory. That's

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Abraham 3 .26. We have the plan of salvation.

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Jesus Christ was chosen as our Savior. Lucifer

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chose to become Satan. opposing God's plan and

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seeking to destroy agency. That's Moses 4 .4.

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Essential for spiritual growth is experiencing

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opposition in all things, 2 Nephi 2 .11. And

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I love how he typically does this. He lines out

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the things that we know to be true, points us

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to the scriptures, and he's like, just to be

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sure, we're on the same page before I hit you

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with why it was such a good plan. Also, I've

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noticed in his talks, he's very clear about the

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fact that there were not two plans. There was

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God's plan, and it was opposed by Satan. Exactly.

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President Oaks made an emphasis in this part.

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He says, just as our physical muscles cannot

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be developed or maintained without straining

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against the law of gravity, so mortal growth

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requires us to strain against Satan's temptations

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and other mortal opposition. Most important for

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spiritual growth is the requirement to choose

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between good and evil. Those who choose good

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would progress towards their eternal destiny

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and those who choose evil, as all would do in

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various temptations of mortality, would need

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saving help which a loving God designed to provide.

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I love that. So yes, that was kind of like the

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foundation that he starts with, right? And then

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that brings us to the role of the savior. And

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just by the way, we're not even to the four yet.

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We're just talking about the foundational. He

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said he really likes to, we talked about before

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he likes to number his things with paragraph

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numbers. And he's like, I can't even do that

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because I've got to make sure that you guys are

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all caught up with me before I give you the cheat

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code. So that's great, Abby. He says, by far

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God's strongest mortal help was his provision

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of the Savior, Jesus Christ, who would suffer

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to pay the price and provide forgiveness for

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repented sins. Love that, too, that he kind of

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outlines again. We always say, you know, there's

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forgiveness for sins, forgiveness for repented

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sins. So when we bring the atonement into our

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lives and repent, that's when our sins are forgiven.

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That merciful and glorious atonement explains

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why faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is the first

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principle of the gospel. His atonement bringeth

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to pass the resurrection of the dead, like we

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read in Alma 42 -23, and it atones for the sins

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of the world, and it meaning the atonement, erasing

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all of our repented sins and giving our Savior

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power to succor us in our mortal infirmities.

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Jesus' atonement allows for forgiveness and resurrection,

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which is in Alma 42 -23, and also Alma 34 -8.

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And then it also provides strength against sin

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and helps in our mortal journey. I like that

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because it reminded me of President Nelson's

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talk where he talks about mothers and women helping

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the next generation to be sin resistant. And

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it just reminds me that what power, through what

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power does this come? And of course, it's through

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Christ's atonement. Yes. So he kind of lays this

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landscape that overall, the plan is perfect because

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there is a savior for whatever, whatever challenges.

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are really going to strike us. And then he tries

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to go into his points of saying, like, keeps

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pointing us back to the Savior, like how the

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Savior's involved in step A, B, and C. So let's

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first talk about the light of Christ. He says,

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the Spirit of Christ is given to every man that

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he may know good from evil. Moroni 716. And I

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love that because this is the opportunity we

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have to see people, different walks of life.

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We don't share a similar religion. You can see

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when people have accepted Jesus Christ and they

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carry that light about them. That's awesome.

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It's a good starting place. Enlightenment is

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available to those who heed the Spirit, Doctrine

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and Covenants 8446. So, kids know. Kids know

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when they go through this thing that there's

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truth tellers or whatever, and then they go through

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a development stage where like they do something

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wrong, but they know that they have to tell a

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fib to cover because they know that that thing

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would get them in trouble. That, to me, is a

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piece of this because we innately know what's

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right and wrong. We don't have to always be told

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exactly. Or it's a good opportunity when you

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do those minor things as a little kid. Your parents

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are like, that wasn't the right thing to do,

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pinching your brother, stealing that piece of

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candy from the store, whatever, that there's

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opportunities for correction. But really, it

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resonates because you do know. Oh, that wasn't

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probably the best thing that I did. That's true.

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That's a good point. President Joseph Fielding

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Smith explained these scriptures, the Lord has

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not left men when they are born into this world

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helpless, groping to find the light and truth,

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but every man is born with the right to receive

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the guidance, the instruction, the counsel of

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the Spirit of Christ or truth of light. Yes.

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That takes us to our second help, which is commandments.

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Commandments to find the path our Heavenly Father

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has marked out for us to progress toward eternal

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life. People who imagine commandments as the

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way God decides who to punish fail to understand

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this purpose of God's loving plan of happiness.

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I think we talked about this actually in one

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of our last talks about it either being shackles

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or a help, and here he clearly outlines it's

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a help. Elder Oaks gives a reminder that commandments

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are not punitive, but serve as loving guidance.

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So a question here could be, how could our lives

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change if we viewed God's word in this way, meaning

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loving guidance rather than punishment? This

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question reminds me again of one of my favorite

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quotes by President Benson, when obedience to

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God's law ceases to be an irritant and becomes

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our quest, in that moment, God will endow us

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with power. I had to go back and look for that.

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And that's always been a favorite that has resonated

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with me. Elder Oaks ends by reminding each of

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us that our Heavenly Father desires all of his

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children to return to the celestial kingdom where

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God and our Savior reside, and also to have the

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kind of life that those who reside in that celestial

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glory. I think it was in this part of the talk

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that he said something like, covenants are a

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way to choose in advance to follow God. And I

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was like, boom, that's amazing. It is. That requires

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a lot of thought. I just loved it because people

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question why you're making these covens. Why

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would you want to get into this? Why would you

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want to saddle yourself with restrictions, but

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really just turning it on your head to say, I

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have this desire to abide with him and become

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like him. So this is the path that he's lined

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out and that you... I'm like excited to do it,

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like I'm telling you, I'm saying I want to covenant

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myself with you. I think as those challenges

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come up with life, he's like, remember, you've

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linked yourself with me to give you that extra,

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you know, what you said, the resistance that

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you need to these temptations. But if he just

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took away the temptations, that's like him taking

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away our agency. So it's a way to still have

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us experience this life, but with as much. help,

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possibly. Godly help is possible. Moves into

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the third point, in its ordinances and covenants.

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He says, says this, I like to think of the role

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of covenants as demonstrating that under God's

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plan, His highest blessings are given to those,

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oh, this is it, who promise in advance, I knew

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I wanted to say this before, His highest blessings

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are given to those who promise in advance to

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keep certain commandments and who keep those

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promises. I will think of that line so many times.

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I will too. As I'm trying to explain to my own

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children, they definitely get ready. Like we

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did our back to school blessings and my little

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Lucy, she's seven and when her dad blessed her

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he said, you're preparing to make your baptismal

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covenants. Love that. It's funny to see like,

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some of them are kind of unsure about it. certain

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ages, like maybe have a fear of the water, don't

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really know what it's all about. And it's amazing,

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every time I've witnessed a child approach that

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age as they're preparing, they understand what

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baptism looks like. If I tried to get her ready

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to make temple covenants, I think that would

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be a stretch. But at this point in her life,

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that is exactly the covenant that she needs and

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the one that she is ready to make at this age

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that she's at. But, you know, on the same token,

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I have some older children and we are gearing

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toward making those temple covenants. I'm going

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to use that language. You don't have to make

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those covenants, but if you should look into

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them and should choose to do those things, there

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are a bucket load of blessings and promises for

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your willingness to say to the Lord, I do want

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to follow you and I do want to be on this path

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with you. Maybe we don't opt into the highest

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blessings and that's what this would look like.

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However, if you do want the highest blessings,

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they're available to you. They're available to

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every man. I love that. I also love that last

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week when we talked about that God is a God of

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order, you know, it's the one that talks about,

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prepare every needful thing, a house of order,

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house of God, all those things. We just talked

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in primary about, I said, you know, what if,

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you know how President Nelson is always talking

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about the covenant path. I said, what if it was

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out of order? And just like you said, Lucy, right

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now at her age, it is age appropriate for baptismal

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covenants, for the understanding, for the foundation

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to be laid. And the endowment doesn't come before

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that. The ceiling doesn't come before that. You

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know what I mean? Everything is really in order,

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and God talks to us and teaches us according

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to our understanding. So I just love that there

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are foundational steps. Same thing in his talk

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as he's preparing to talk to us about the fourth

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point. He's like, you don't get the gift of the

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Holy Ghost until you have had faith, you have

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baptism, and then. Totally. That's a good point.

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So here we are. The fourth help is the Holy Ghost.

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He is the third member of the Godhead. His function,

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defined in Scripture, is to testify of the Father

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and the Son. to teach us, to bring all things

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to our remembrance, and also to guide us into

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all truth. Now, it's interesting to note that

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he breaks this into two sections, which I do

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love. First, it's the manifestations of the Holy

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Ghost. He says the scriptures include many descriptions

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of the manifestations of the Holy Ghost, such

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as a spiritual witness in response to an inquiry

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about the truth of the Book of Mormon. And manifestation

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is not to be confused with the gift of the Holy

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Ghost, which is conferred following baptism,

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like you said. Which I think he's just nodding

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back to. We would call this the light of Christ.

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Right! It's important that all men have it and

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have equal access to it so that they can have

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those spiritual moments and that they can decipher

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between right and wrong. Just general ... your

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conscience, like let your conscience dictate

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things. Because it's important. You're not a

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member of the church. You're reading their book

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and you're asked to pray and ask in sincere faith.

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It is a manifestation of the Holy Ghost. It is

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a taste of what can be yours as a constant companion.

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Right. It's a taste of it. And also too, it's

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through the Holy Ghost that he bears witness

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of truth. So wherever their truth is, that's

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where that is. So then he says, the gift of the

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Holy Ghost is conferred after baptism, offering

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continual guidance. find that in 2 Nephi 31 -17.

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It's a lot, isn't it? It's a mouthful about the

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Holy Ghost and just all the different things

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that it is and kind of the fruits of it, right?

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Like it said, when you have it, you have no disposition

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to do good to all men, to suffer wrong rather

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than to do wrong. I love that. It reminded me

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of President Nelson's recent address. I looked

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it up and it was actually in April 2024. It's

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where he encouraged us to study the dedicatory

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prayer found in DNC 109. And he says, Joseph

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Smith's dedicatory prayer of the Kirtland Temple

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is a tutorial about how the temple spiritually

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empowers you and me. to meet the challenges of

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life in these last days. In this tutorial for

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us, I want it to be top of mind while I study

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other topics, right? So here's what the quote

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about the Holy Ghost comes in. Here's where it

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comes in. We are also promised that in the temple

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we may receive a fullness of the Holy Ghost.

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Imagine what that promise means in terms of having

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the heavens open for each earnest seeker of truth.

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So a great action item, if you haven't already,

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is to imagine or ask in prayer what it means

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to receive the fullness of the Holy Ghost. What

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does that mean? It may be a great question to

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take to the temple the next time you worship

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there. Abby, do you have any final thoughts about

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this talk? trying to think of my answer to that

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fullness of the Holy Ghost, but a lot of these

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talks help me think. Sometimes we go to the temple

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for answers, but the point is that we can bring

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the temple back out with us into the real world

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so that I can have some of my strongest spiritual

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impressions and my best thoughts in the temple.

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For me, a fullness of the Holy Ghost would be

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to make a connect with even in the chaos of the

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world and the things that I have to juggle outside

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of the temple, because I can't be in there 24

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hours a day, how to have more obvious interaction,

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relationship, connection with the power that

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I can get as I'm just in tune. I love that, Abby.

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I'm terrible at it. I know I have room to improve

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on it, but we're talking action items and we're

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thinking about what it means to receive a fullness

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of the Holy Ghost. What a neat gift. I think

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the paragraph that I read up above, maybe I've

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taken the Holy Ghost a bit for granted in my

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life because I got it at such a young age. Whereas

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I have friends who've walked the path without

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it and when they enter the water to baptism receive

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the gift of the Holy Ghost They have life experience

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with and without Memories they can like draw

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back to like I'm not the best at remembering

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my childhood. And like I said, it's just been

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I've just been blessed with that my whole life

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Never really been separated from it. So I think

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in my situation I have to stop to be the most

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grateful for it. I think I need to stop and recognize

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that gift a little bit more in my life. I did

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actually have an experience this week. It's coming

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to mind. Love it. Do you want to share? I will

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share it. I think if I can hold my emotions,

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but my oldest son, he's 11. He's been on a medication

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that like it's life saving. And when his older

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sister who has the same condition, when this

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drug became available to her, Because it was

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available at age 12 So I was like counting down

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the days to her birthday after I read the research

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on this drug and and we take this medicine It's

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like 30 grand a month. It's like you don't take

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it lightly But it does amazing things because

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it helps form the cell in the way that it just

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makes your body function like a person without

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cystic fibrosis So, you know then they're working

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in the back scene trying to get it approved for

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a younger age group And so my boy was able to

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start taking it much younger And like the spirit

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testified to me, it was definitely the right

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drug for Maddie. And I kind of just took it for

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granted. Like, well, when Kimball's old enough

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for it, we'll give it to Kimball. So we started

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him on it and didn't see like, you know, it's

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great. My kids have been really blessed and we've

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been blessed as far as how awful the disease

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can be. I feel like we've seen a lot of manifestations

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of God's power in our lives through this disease.

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But long story short, I've there there is a complication

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it can mess with your emotions like, you know

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mentally it can be a problem Yes, there's so

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many physical benefits from it. That's Irrefutable,

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but for some it's really problematic and so I

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spoke with a you know provider like six months

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ago and we did a little dose change where We

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did the day pills at night and night pills in

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the day. Hmm, and I'm like, yeah I noticed enough

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of an improvement that I was like, well, it does

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seem like the drug is that is the issue more

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than anything else. And so we had our big appointment

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last Thursday and I kind of went prepared to

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say it's, we're going to take them off of this

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drug. And my oldest daughter was like, you can't

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do that. She was like devastated about it because

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she, she physically at her age, she knows that

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it's making physical improvements for her. She's

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farther along in the disease. And like, I'm like,

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I'm not doing this so that, you know, short his

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life like that. It's not like I want him to be

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off of this drug, but I'm like trying to balance

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between keeping him mentally healthy and physically

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healthy. Right? Exactly. And so she's like, why

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don't you get put him back on the younger dose?

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And you know, like the spirit kind of pricked

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me like that maybe could be an option. I'm like,

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okay, like rather than go cold turkey, but I'm

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like, I'm going to deal with the provider on

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this or whatever. So we have a conversation and

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she gave me the suggestion that we throw out

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this what, you know, it's like a three tablet.

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process and she's like throw this tablet out

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and keeps the date and I think and as she's saying

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it like kind of my heart was pricked like I'm

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kind of getting the answer that I was hoping

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for whatever and then I got home and I do like

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a series of pills and I have to like prep their

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vitamins and their enzymes and the Trikafta and

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you know the series of things it's kind of a

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process it's like something I do every two weeks

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I do you know two sets of pills for them wow

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I was doing it and like my head was on fire like

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I was so happy. I was like, I'd been praying,

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like, what should we do? What should the answer

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be for this? So I wanted the confirmation of

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the Holy Ghost to feel good about the changes

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that we're going to make. And I want the best

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for my kids that I can do. I don't have all of

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the information in my lap, but I made sure Kimble

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was just kind of quiet in the morning. I just

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kind of had the house to myself and Kimble had

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woken up to do therapy. And I was still processing

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those emotions because I'm like, what a neat

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thing that The desire of my heart was to do the

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best that I can for my kid, but I don't know

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the whole picture and I don't see everything,

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but because I had, you know, that open prayer

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like, help me know the right thing to do for

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them in that quiet moment in my home. I'm putting

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this taste together and the, what I would say,

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a fullness of the Holy Ghost touched my mom heart

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to say, in this moment, it's not like we can't

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change the path again later, but right in this

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moment. with what you have available to you,

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this is the change that's going to work for him.

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And then I felt a little bit guilty because I

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definitely prayed about Maddie starting that

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drug and it felt right, but I just took it for

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granted. I just did that for Kimball rather than

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making it like, is this going to be good for

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him? And it was a different dose back then. And

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I'm like watching for changes and stuff, but

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I've learned something again. You know, this

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disease has been part of our life for 16 years,

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but I learned something last week. He's still

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in our corner and he still cares about us and

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he's given us the help that we need. And it is

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such a blessing to have those promptings of the

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Holy Ghost because it's the way that they communicate

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with us. And I know that wasn't Heavenly Father,

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but it was, you know, the messenger that can

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reach us and let you know. And I know you've

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been dealing with a myriad of health issues,

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but I feel like you've had a lot of opportunity

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for those same bits of communication. Not that

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there's a magic wand that's fixed everything

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for you, but I think we would probably agree

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that you've been really close to the Holy Ghost

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in a fullness of it, probably. Would you use

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that word now that you're kind of thinking of

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that word? As you're like, hey, these are the

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things I'm willing to do to seek treatment or

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the therapies I'm willing to do to get feeling

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better. feel like I've learned from you that

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you get that good burning of your heart, like

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it's the right thing. Do you feel better immediately?

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Not usually. Usually you kind of go through like,

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Oh, that was a terrible decision. But it doesn't

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mean that it wasn't wrong. You can, you can reflect

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back on that. I loved it. You can reflect back

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on the confirmation that you felt that good,

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that good feeling of like, okay, yeah, what I'm

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in, I'm in this with somebody who sees a picture

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that I can't see. Yes. I can only see in the

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moment. I can only see so far in the future.

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And I think like a really good word for that,

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which it's not it's not my own phrase. It's something

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that I received in a priesthood blessing, but

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it said through this process, you will be tutored

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by the Holy Ghost. And like you said, I feel

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like this is part of receiving a fullness of

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the Holy Ghost when he is not only not only just

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not just not only always with you, but when you

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are tutored, like you said, you were just tutored

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in. how to deal with cystic fibrosis, because

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guess what? There are changes, like you said,

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there are seasons where you need to make a pivot.

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And how wonderful to have that manifestation

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of the Holy Ghost because you have the gift of

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the Holy Ghost. I think another thought right

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here would be just as Abby was talking about

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this and as I'm reflecting on times when the

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Holy Ghost has been a tutor in my life. I feel

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like every single person who is listening right

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now has something where the Holy Ghost has tutored

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you in a certain way. Maybe you haven't yet recognized

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that, but I think that's part of this question.

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One of our action items is just to ask yourself,

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where has that been? Where have you been tutored?

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Where have you been mentored? Where has he truly

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blessed your life that you didn't even recognize?

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Because I'm sure I have those moments all the

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time. And it's great to recognize it. 100%. I

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could just have a passing thought like, it's

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fine. We're making this change. It's nothing.

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Allowing myself to admit that it was the spirit

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talking to me. from a question that I had asked

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my father in heaven, made that moment so special

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and sweet. And I did tell Kimball, did I tell

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you that? He came up, he was getting ready for

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therapy and I'm like, I couldn't like talk for

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a minute and I explained to him, I'm like, we're

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making this change. I was like, I want to be

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part of his medical journey. And so I'm like,

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this is where we're at. I'm feeling really good

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about it. And he was like, you know, 11. Good

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job, mom. He's pretty tender kid. But anyway,

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it was a good conversation and I think it was

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a neat opportunity for me too. to express my

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gratitude. I heard your answer. I'm following

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along with what we've got here and it makes us

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partners in this thing that's kind of a challenge

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in the mortal body in this moment. I love that.

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I love this talk. You were talking and I was

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thinking Elder Bednar is one of my absolute favorites

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on that point. don't know how the Spirit talks

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to them. They're still experimenting with how

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that works for them. Sometimes it's their music.

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There's a myriad of ways, but people will be

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like, well, is that me or is that the Spirit?

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And he's like, did it encourage you to do something

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good and bring you closer to Jesus Christ? Then

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it doesn't matter. That's the right thing. Yes.

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You know, Abby, as you were talking, there's

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one more thing that I remembered that I'd been

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working on. I received a priesthood blessing

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after I had some health procedures just recently,

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just last week. And in the blessing, I was invited

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to, it said, even if you've done this before,

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write down a list of how the Holy Ghost speaks

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to you. And it said, you've done this before,

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but write a list again and as you ponder on it.

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So I kind of wrote like what first came to my

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mind, but I need to continue to ponder on it.

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This was the next sentence. Heavenly Father will

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reach you in those less known ways. So you can

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grow in them. Literally, the whole blessing was

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like, hey, great job on everything you've been

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doing. Let's level up. I was just like, OK. So

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it just sounded like, OK, you've already understood

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the ways that he's spoken to in the past. Write

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down the least likely all of them. And in those

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ways, that's the new way that I'm going to reach

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you. I just thought, wow. If I'm stepping back.

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I'm thinking what a master teacher Heavenly Father

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is, right? Like just to build skills to make

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my connection with Heavenly Father stronger than

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it's been before, to make my communication with

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the Holy Ghost and receiving inspiration even

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stronger. So I just thought that was beautiful.

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And I think that that would be also a really

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great thing for any person to do is to write

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down the ways that the Holy Ghost speaks to you,

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because I think there are more than we even realize.

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Okay, this was awesome. Also, Abby, as Abby was

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speaking, I just thought, what a blessing it

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is for Abby and I to sit here and to discuss

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these things. I would love for our readers to

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be able to have a conversation with someone who

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they love and respect and admire and to share

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these types of things with them. I was just reading

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this past week, there's a difference between

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gratitude. and thankfulness. Gratitude is feeling

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grateful in your heart. Thankfulness is actually

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speaking out loud. And when you do that, you

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invite more of that wonderful thing into your

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life, which would be the wonderful thing would

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be blessings from God, right? So I do invite

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your readers to find someone and have a conversation

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about this for someone that you feel comfortable

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talking about it. I could just see an entire

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Relief Society lesson if sisters were willing

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to share, you know, ways that they felt the fullness

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of the Holy Ghost. I can see that I have room

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to improve in, like, trying to make it a moment

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-to -moment thing, a day -to -day thing that

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I'm really recognizing, oh, that was from the

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Holy Ghost. But I'm saying I can definitely grasp

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out. you know, like Holy Ghost moments in my

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life and how fun that would be to have that conversation

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with the sisters. Like, when have you experienced

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that fullness? They share their thoughts. I think

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it would be very likely that other sisters would

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be like, oh, I had that moment, recollect things.

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Maybe it brings a memory up to the surface that

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they had kind of forgotten about or didn't think

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that it was as important as it was. Yeah, I could

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see this being a very good lesson. I agree, Abby.

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So great. So in conclusion of this talk, this

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is what Elder Oaks says, many are unprepared

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for meeting Christ as illustrated by the parable

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of the... Oh, sorry. This is not what he said.

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I'm paraphrasing. He ends with the parable of

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the ten virgins. So in that half of those...

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invited will be ready. Elder Oaks lists some

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deviations from the path and then rebrands the

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Sunday School Answers, this is my thought, to

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the Fundamental Spiritual Maintenance Plan. I

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thought that was awesome. So from now on, I'm

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not going to think, oh, the Sunday School Answers,

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it's the Fundamental Spiritual Maintenance Plan.

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Yeah, it's not a bad thing if, like, read your

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scripture. Right. pray, come to mind. It's because

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they're so fundamental, right? And it's maintaining

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this plan. So he just says they are personal

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prayer, regular scripture study, frequent repentance,

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and also weekly partaking of the sacrament up

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to the renewing of covenants. And then he ends

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by saying, humility and trust in the Lord are

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the remedies for such deviations. As the Book

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of Mormon teaches, the Lord doth bless and prosper

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those who put their trust in Him, as we find

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in Helaman 12 .1. This really is a talk to be

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studied over and over, as Abby and I have said,

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because there are so many good pieces of goodness

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and opportunities to ponder. So we would invite

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you, like always, to listen back to that talk

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for yourself, and let the spirit direct you to

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the piece or part of this talk that really can

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buoy you up, prepare you for the next conference

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to come, or be the help that you need in the

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coming week. Thank you for being here. We'll

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catch you next time. We'll see you next time
