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Welcome to Closer to Christ through General Conference,

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where two friends who love Jesus share our own

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approach to studying the most recent General

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Conference talks. This is Abby and Amy. Let's

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jump into it. Today's talk, By This All Will

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Know That You Are My Disciples, by Elder Dieter

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F. Uchtdorf, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Elder

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Uchtdorf's talk centers on the idea that love

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is the defining characteristic of true discipleship

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of Jesus Christ. He starts with a personal story

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about inviting a non -member friend to a small

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branch of the church. We all were like holding

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our breath with him, right? I mean, he spoke

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so much truth. He was like, you, you've got a

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non -member friend invited and you're really

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worried. Like, what are the imperfection of the

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meeting going to be? And it's like, oh, are they

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going to say their weird thing that they normally

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say? Or are the talks going to be appropriate?

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Or like, are people going to be friendly? Like

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all these thoughts of how exactly things are

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going to go because you've extended this invitation

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and it's so important to you, right? So. I'm

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sure that he was kind of being more critical

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of the meeting than not and kind of thinking,

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oh, that's going to bug him, that's going to

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bug him. But when he spoke with his friend about

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the meeting, the friend said that they just felt

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total love and unity amongst the members. And

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this is what she would imagine Christchurch would

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be like. I love that part. So the key messages

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of this talk, do you want to hit that? Do you

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want me to go for it? Go for it. Okay. So one

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of the standouts was love is the mark of discipleship.

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Jesus said, By this shall all men know that ye

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are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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More impressive than meetings or doctrine, people

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are touched by how We treat one another. That

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speaks volumes. I guess that's what I'm trying

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to say. For sure. You know, I thought it was

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interesting, too, because he did say, you know,

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while there is the doctrine of the church, that

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is true. Right. While there are principles and

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ordinances that we do, that's not the first thing

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that's on their mind. I really like that he reminded

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us of that. You know what I mean? Because that

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has to be there. He said, my dear brothers and

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sisters, my dear friends, I love the Church of

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Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints. It is the

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Savior's true and living church, and it teaches

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the restored fullness of the gospel of Jesus

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Christ. His priesthood, power, and authority

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reside here. So he's reminding us of, yes, all

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the reasons that the church is true. He says,

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Jesus Christ leads this church personally through

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servants he has called and authorized. And by

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a living prophet, even President Russell M. Nelson,

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the Savior has given the Latter -day Saints a

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unique mission to gather God's children and prepare

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the world for the Savior's second coming. I bear

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my witness that all this is true. And this is

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the part I was talking about. But it's important

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to remember that when most people experience

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the Church of Jesus Christ for the first time,

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they aren't thinking about priesthood authority

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or ordinances or the gathering of Israel. What

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they're likely to notice above all else is how

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they feel when they're with us and how we treat

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each other. And would you agree, like I learned

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a lesson earlier this week and it was like the

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Savior, he's talking, he's like, you've got the

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scriptures and you think reading the scriptures

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is what saves you. What he wanted them to know

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is he saves and how he saves is by taking what

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you read and then applying it into your life.

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Bring it into your heart. And doing things. Yes.

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Love that, Abby. You don't just read the stories

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of Christ serving others. You read it and it

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hopefully sparks in your desire to serve. You

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read about Christ, how he loves. Hopefully it

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sparks in you. Yeah, translate into your life.

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Let me love more. That's really good, Abby. I

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like that. I do want to jump to the next point.

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Are we good on that one? Go for it. The next

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thing that he talked about was the ideal versus

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the real. Church members and congregations aren't

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perfect. Glad he pointed that out. Yeah. It's

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true. But that doesn't negate the truth or divinity

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of the church. He encourages patience, humility,

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and continually striving to align our hearts

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with Christ's. Let's look at the title page of

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the Book of Mormon. It includes this important

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caution. If there are faults, these are mistakes

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of men. Wherefore, condemn not the things of

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God. Can a book or a church or a person have

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faults and mistakes and still be the work of

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God? That's the question you're going to ask.

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My answer is a resounding yes. So while we hold

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ourselves to the Lord's high standards, let's

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also be patient with one another. I really like

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that he references that part of the Book of Mormon

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because it's true that we've said before, the

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church is perfect. The people in it are imperfect.

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We all know that, right? We are each a work in

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progress and we all... rely on the Savior for

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any progress that we make. That's true for us

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as individuals, and it's also true for the kingdom

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of God here on the earth. I think that teaching

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above pretty much all else has brought me the

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most joy in this world to know I don't have to

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be perfect. My imperfections is what have brought

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me closer to the Savior because He makes up the

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difference on that. And knowing that I'm not

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perfect allows me to allow others to not be perfect

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either. Right. It offers grace for both of us.

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Yeah. It's true. There's a lot more joy with

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that. Elder Uchtdorf reminds us that the Savior

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has asked us to be one. So it's worth stopping

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to think, what does that look like? Right. What

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exactly does it mean to be one? It's a simple

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phrase, but what is that going to look like if

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we apply it to everyday church life? Does that

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mean changing our hearts to align with his will?

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Does it mean changing our hearts to like everybody's

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hearts to align with my will? You know, what

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one? It means that we all change our hearts to

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align with the Savior. Yeah. I like that he emphasized

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that part. Just it doesn't mean that we all have

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to have the same views and that we all have to

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serve in the same ways. Right. And maybe it's

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like. worth stopping to think, what is my will

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on this one? What do I think the Savior wants

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it to be? And then what's my willingness to turn

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my desires into what His desires are? And still

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be happy, like I'm still getting what my heart's

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desire is because I've changed my heart. That's

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a really good point. It reminds me of what we

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learned this week in Come Follow Me with Heart

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and Mind. And that the whole part, I actually

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shared that with my missionary as well, but just

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the whole part of us giving our heart and our

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mind, meaning our willingness and our will, right?

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And when your minds reconcile them one thing

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and your hearts reconcile them one thing and

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they're not copacetic, they're not in harmony

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with each other, that struggle is too real. You

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really can't get anything done. It kind of puts

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you at a standstill. When I didn't know that

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I was going to have you sub or you take care

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of the lesson, I... was studying that lesson.

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And I had ChatGTP make me, I'll have to show

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you at the end, because I can't leave these notes.

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But it's like this heart, like brainy heart.

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I'm like, do you think the kids will get that

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message? I was like, is this for next? Because

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I sent it to him to print. He's like, what's

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this for? I'm like, next week's lesson. That's

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funny. Probably best that you taught the lesson

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today. It didn't go that direction. The next

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thing that I saw in this talk that I think was

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so sweet, he added a gentle reminder. He said,

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if we're not there yet, remember with the Lord's

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help, nothing is impossible. That's a good reminder.

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The next thing that he talked about is fit and

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belonging. Regardless of background, culture,

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or perceived differences, everyone can find belonging

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in the church. And again, we're talking about

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the unity being one, like Jesus Christ has commanded

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us. Unity in the gospel is about facing Christ

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together, not becoming identical. He addresses

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the desire to be with, let's say, your people.

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It's natural to want to be around people who

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look, talk, act, and think the way that we do.

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There is a place for that. And then he teaches

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us this. But in the Savior's church, we gather

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all of God's children who are willing to be gathered

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and who seek the truth. It's not our physical

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appearance, our political views, our culture,

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our ethnicity that brings us together. It is

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not our common background that unites us. It

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is our common objective, our love for God and

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love for our neighbor, our commitment to Jesus

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Christ and his restored gospel. We are one in

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Christ. The unity we seek is not to have everyone

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stand in the same place. It is to have everyone

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face in the same direction toward Jesus Christ.

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He really emphasizes this point over and over

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again. And it was when he was telling the story

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about when he was younger and he moved to another

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place and he said, you know, clearly I was German.

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I had an accent and I was from somewhere else

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and I didn't quite fit in and all the children

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knew it. You know what I mean? But he might have

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felt a lot of peace like in his church activities.

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Perhaps. Where that might have mattered less

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because they were centered on Jesus Christ. For

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sure. And I just feel like he was saying, you

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know what? I know what it feels like to be an

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outcast. Like, I get it. And so that's why with

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that experience I've had in my life, we can all

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face the same direction, which is toward Jesus

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Christ. We are, one, not because of where we've

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been, but where we are striving to go. And not

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because of who we are, but who we seek to become.

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I'm just coming off of FSY week. So great. The

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emotions are like maybe a little bit too tender

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to really talk much about it. But as you were

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talking, I was thinking they create these family

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groups, let's say, with like a female and a male

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counselor and usually like 10 guys, 10 girls.

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So just thinking of my daughter's group, cowboys,

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tennis players, dancers, cheerleaders, choir.

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Different backgrounds. In a high school setting,

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you know, they'd find their way to like the group

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that would make the most sense for them. But

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in seven days, they formed like loving, lasting

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relationships. And it's because everything that

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they did, that's a label. That's like a thing

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that they do. But they were focused on learning

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more about their Savior, Jesus Christ, and growing

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their testimonies. And then you see that across

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over 200 youth. And everybody comments like.

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they're they're whole like hugging each other

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and doing their thing these like this closing

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wrap up or whatever and they're always like man

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i wish that it could be like this that you know

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when we go back home and it's like that's the

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whole point we want it to be like this and the

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thing that will make it like this is um continuing

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your discipleship Jesus Christ and making that

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like the most important thing above all of the

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other labels. Right. Why not? Right. Why not

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have you like this so much? Take it home with

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you. Do continue to do this at home. Don't be

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so afraid to say hi to the next person, even

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if from the exterior, it looks like there's not

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a lot in common. There probably is something

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more in common than you would think. So that's

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so great. Thank you for sharing that. Let's see.

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Another thing. We all have a role. One body.

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Every individual, no matter how different, has

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something to contribute. Everybody, every single

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individual. There's something that they have

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that's special. The church is like a body or

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a choir. Each part plays a unique and necessary

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role, all working together in harmony. What if

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you're different from people around you? Does

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that make you a misfit? Not really. I think it

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makes you exactly the part that... is needed

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to be part of the body of Christ. All are needed

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in the body of Christ. The ears perceive things

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that the eyes never could. The feet do things

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that the hands would be ineffective at. That's

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true. I would not want to walk a mile with my

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hands. That's a great visual, Amy. So I see an

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invitation next in the talk to be one voice.

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Elder Uchtdorf warmly invites all to come and

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see, to experience the Savior's love through

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his people. Whether you're new or have been in

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the church for years, your presence, your efforts,

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your faith matter. If you're not yet a member

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of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day

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Saints, we invite you to join us as we rejoice

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in the Savior's song of redeeming love. We need

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you. We love you. The church will be better with

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your efforts to serve the Lord and his children.

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If you have already shown through baptism, through

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making covenants with God, your desire to come

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into the fold of God and to be called his people,

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thank you for being part of this great and divine

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work and for helping to make the Church of Jesus

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Christ what the Savior wants it to be. I think

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that's an awesome invitation. Yeah, right. And

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again, I just feel like he used over and over

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a different, here he's talking about, you know,

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the choir and the body of Christ. And he's just

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reminding us, yes, we're all unique. We're all

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different. But as we come together in Christ,

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then that's how we're one. I really appreciate

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that. His specific assignment as an apostle right

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now is missionary. I was just going to say that.

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His talks definitely reflect that. Yeah, they

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definitely reflect that. And I'm curious, like,

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wouldn't it be cool to know, like, how many?

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people hear this talk that aren't members of

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our faith right like how he just talks to them

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like if you have what if one what if one person

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heard that talk and they weren't a member and

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they were like oh i'm invited i'm welcome to

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come it's true as soon as i hear the he invites

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us to come and see I'm reminded again of missionary

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efforts, you know, that sticks into my heart.

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Also, Abby, I was thinking and reflecting this

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week. It's just so interesting because when you

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and I are on this podcast and we're talking and

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we are reading the words of the prophet and we

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are reflecting our own and sharing our own testimonies,

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it sounds like we're so just strong and resolute,

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which we are in this moment. When I speak, it

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is with absolute genuine testimony and fervor

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and faith in the lord jesus christ i just wanted

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to share that there are definitely times in my

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week where um i am like this is a rough day.

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This is really, really rough. And I would love

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for someone to like stand and bear a quick testimony

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to me of how they know this is going to work

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out. You know what I'm saying? So Abby and I

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get to be that voice like every week for each

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of you. Just know that we also have times when

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it is a struggle and it is hard. And it just

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so happens that every single time we do this,

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we're feeling the words and we are truly just

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reminded of the Lord's power. But yes, we falter.

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So I just love that we can sometimes be the voice

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of anyone listening can be the voice of strength

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for someone. And then it's totally fine if we

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need someone else's voice of strength or just

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to remember what did the prophet teach about

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this specific thing I'm going through right now?

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What did Jesus Christ say about this specific

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thing right now? And it helps to buoy us up.

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And as you were talking, I was thinking, feed

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your faith, not your fears. And so obviously,

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you know, if I wanted to be down about something

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and go down a rabbit hole and feed the fear,

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like my death scroll on my Instagram, Facebook,

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whatever, these reels. But like you said, because

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we're preparing for these talks, we're immersed

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in modern day scripture, me being the conference

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talks, it does something to buoy faith. It does.

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For sure, when I'm in the mindset, I'm preparing

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for the podcast. it forces me into talks that

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maybe I wouldn't have otherwise taken as much

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time for. And so that's been a huge blessing.

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Yeah. And you know what's so funny is that you're

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like, yeah, sometimes we get to be that voice

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for other people. I've listened to the podcast,

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other people's podcasts I'm so grateful for,

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but I've also listened to our podcast. And I'm

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like, we... like in your own voice i don't remember

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saying that but it's totally true you know i'm

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reminded of it again and again or like maybe

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i'm just like so nervous as we're podcasting

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that i'm kind of like okay just try not to misspeak,

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try not to stumble over my words. And so listening

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back later, then I'm like, oh, that would a neat

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testimony to have recorded because that is the

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word of my heart. But I didn't really know I

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was saying it in that minute. That's a good point

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because it's happened to me too. I'm like, what?

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Thank you, Heavenly Father. And again, when you're

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speaking of living scripture, then that's how

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you know, because in every moment it speaks truth

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and it buoys you up. And you remember that Jesus

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Christ is the reason we can do anything. I will

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just say, I can tell that we're about to wrap

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up and you'll have the final word. I want to

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bear my testimony that when you bring people

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together that have like nothing in common, just

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on surface level, it looks like there's nothing

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to be shared between these people. If you strip

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it down to like the most basic layer and both

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of them want to grow closer to Jesus Christ,

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you can be 100 % different from another person.

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um one like the best relationship in the world

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this is true which i mean that speaks to the

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friendships you're trying to create you don't

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have to find somebody that's doing exactly the

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same things you're doing like when you think

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back at the friendships for me when i think back

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at the friendships that are the most enduring

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and and the best maybe i'm usually looking for

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friends that like soften like the sharp my sharp

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points or like bring a different skill set so

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we we aren't naturally inclined to be be friends,

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but the people that I love to be around, they

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have a testimony of the Savior, and they make

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it very comfortable to also just have a testimony

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of the Savior without having to... act like it's

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not the most important thing in my life. I guess

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I'm not saying I want to fake it, but I want

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to make people comfortable where I'm at. And

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if they've definitely stepped away from their

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covenants or living the gospel of Jesus Christ,

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that could technically be a hard thing. But I

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just want to say it does bring me joy to really

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put a lot of effort into those relationships.

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where we're disciples of Jesus Christ. We've

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chosen that path and we're doing that together.

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And obviously the whole point is if you're a

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disciple of Jesus Christ, you're following him,

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you're living his way. And ideally it's going

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to invite other people to come, come along, come

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and follow also. But do you know what I'm saying?

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I do. And he actually used the phrase, we gather

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those who choose to be gathered. That's exactly,

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he said it better than me. Let's go with his

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words. You're feeling that vibe. And that's what

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you're saying. Like, that's what we're talking

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about here. It's just, it's so nice to have other

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disciples of Jesus Christ stand with you. It's

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a beautiful thing. It's a gift from Heavenly

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Father. Yeah. It really is. Because when there's

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like a couple of you doing that thing, it does

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feel easier to then invite more. Absolutely.

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Okay. I love that, Abby. Thank you for sharing

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it. So in conclusion, the love that we show,

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especially to those around us, is one of the

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greatest witnesses that we are, in fact, disciples

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of Jesus Christ. Elder Uchtdorf urges us to be

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patient, united, and focused on Christ so that

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all who come among us will feel his love and

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his desire to follow him. And then I will just

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end with his testimony. He says, may God bless

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us. to patiently but diligently seek to live

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up to the ideals of our Savior, Redeemer, and

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Master, the ones that He has set for us, so all

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will know that we are His disciples. And He says

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that in the sacred name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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Amen. Thanks for being with us. We'll catch you

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next time.
