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Welcome to Closer to Christ, their general conference,

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where two friends who love Jesus share our own

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approach to studying the most recent general

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conference talks. This is Abbey and Amy. Let's

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jump into it. Today, we're going to talk about

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Sacred Scriptures, the Foundation of Faith by

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Elder Quentin L. Cook, a member of the Twelve.

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Abbey, so good to see you. It's been a minute.

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Amy's been dealing with some stuff. We hope she's

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on the mend, but in case she's not, keep praying

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for her for us. Thanks, Abby. Have you ever taken

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a second to think about what you accomplish with

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your phone? For most of us, they're a significant

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part of our lives. In fact, the other day, I

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just went to the eye doctor and he was, because

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I'm getting of an older age, we were talking

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about, he's like, everything you do now is right

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up close. So we got to make sure you can see

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up close. I'm like, okay. Are those glasses on

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your face like close -up readers or? They're

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not, but we switched to that just to kind of

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see. And I'm like, all right, sounds good. My

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sister, I FaceTimed her like yesterday and I

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was like, cute glasses. She's like, yeah, I can't

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see. It's unreal. Like over that age. It's true.

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So yes, our life is now right in front of our

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faces. We're moving into a world that is becoming

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dominated with artificial. intelligence and we

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embrace it, or we get left behind as far as matters

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of working life go. However, there is something

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that absolutely trumps AI and that is divine

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intelligence. This comes from divine revelation,

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which comes as we embrace divine sources. So

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there's AI and there's actual divine intelligence.

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Today we get to appreciate the blessing of sacred

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scriptures. I love this part. Elder Cook talked

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about a saying that he saw on a t -shirt and

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it said, book. The original handheld device.

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So good. How do you prefer to read scriptures,

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Amy? Are you like a paper copy or a digital gal?

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I'm actually a digital gal. I love to have everything

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like just right within my fingertips. I tend

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to get sidetracked a little bit. So I love having

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my link to conference talks or different things

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that I like. topics that I've been studying.

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I love to be able to look at a note that was

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like from 2014. What was I learning then? You

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know, I write my testimony about a particular

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verse of scripture or whatever. So I love seeing

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that and having it all right in my hand. And

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then to see how like life experience has changed,

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maybe how you're seeing the verse in that moment.

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100%. As you're looking back. I add to it or

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whatever. I'm doing a lot of editing. When I

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look back at my older notes, I'm like, oh, I

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spelled that wrong. No, not that my thoughts

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have changed. I'm like, I can barely read that.

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You know how that is when I write you something.

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I'm not a good proofreader. Abby E's. But I would

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say the same thing. I would say that I tend more

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to digital because I don't particularly care

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for my handwriting. It's hard for me to read.

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I'm like writing so furiously. It's pretty illegible.

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And so I do find I can keep my thoughts. I can

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read them years later. And even if they have

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to have a little bit of grammar editing, I can

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understand what I was trying to say. I can read

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through that. I have heard people, though, who

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tend to get distracted by. what other options

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are on their phone. Yeah. And so they'll set

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that aside for a time and gravitate to the paper

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scriptures. Totally. So they know they're not

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going to be going down rabbit holes. They just

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want to stay in like the pure and simple scripture.

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That so makes sense. Yeah. And I think we all

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have seasons where we go to different things.

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That's exactly what I would say. It's season.

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So like right now, I would say digital. That

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makes sense. But whether handheld or digital.

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The Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon, another

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testament of Jesus Christ, both provide us spiritual

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guidance and teachings from Jesus Christ, the

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Savior of our world. We treasure these books,

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their profound role in documenting God's direction

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to ancient prophets and people and the guidance

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they provide for our own personal lives. Combined

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with the teachings of living prophets, these

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sacred scriptures provide doctrinal direction

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for us in today's world. These scriptures are

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most powerful when they give instruction, correction,

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comfort. and consolation to individuals and also

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families who seek guidance from the Lord. First,

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we have to know what is available, what is out

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there. Then we have to hear it, read it. Next,

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we have to opt in and then implement those teachings

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that we found. Yeah. Sacred scriptures combined

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with inspiration from the Holy Spirit should

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be our primary source. It should facilitate our

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conversations. It should give us a desire to

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follow Jesus Christ. If what we're putting in

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us isn't... Drawing us closer to Jesus Christ,

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there's better options out there for what's going

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in. Absolutely, Abby. Scriptures are the foundation

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that, if utilized, will allow us to withstand

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the adversary's constant efforts to undermine

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faith. This is true due to current members and

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investigators. It's true for everybody. Elder

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Cook recognized new members as the lifeblood

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of the church throughout its history. And I totally

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agree. It was so sweet where he said that. Yeah.

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I will also say that, Abby, I absolutely have

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a testimony of that the scriptures contain doctrinal

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truth and that they really like if you're ever

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wanting to course correct, you go back to the

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scriptures and you look up maybe a topic that

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you're struggling with. And as you study that.

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The Lord will give you a contrite heart. I'm

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sorry, a broken heart and a contrite spirit.

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You will feel His words that are living and that

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they actually apply to you in your life right

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then. This just happened to me the past couple

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of weeks, and I'm just grateful to tears that

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Heavenly Father is so loving. And whenever He

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gives correction to me, it's so gentle that...

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Just that makes me feel so grateful for the atonement.

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And I'm thinking, I'm such an unprofitable servant

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in a lot of ways. And it kind of blows my mind

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that he deals with me so patiently instead of

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saying, hey, Amy, you're kind of a jerk. Or why

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did you do this? It's just what I've been getting

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over and over again is return to my word and

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repent. And I just keep getting that over and

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over again. It's not. horrible things I've done.

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It's just the, am I trying to be as Christlike

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as possible? Am I in his word? Do I, is it part

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of my bones? Is that what I really want every

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single day is to give mercy to people, to extend

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love and to recognize that every day I've been

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given mercy from a loving heavenly father. And

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that's possible because of Christ's atonement.

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I'm just so grateful for that. And that's all

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because the scriptures. And like you said, foundational.

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Yeah. If utilized in that way. We can, like we

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said, we can go down rabbit holes. We can read

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a lot of accessory things. We can steer off of

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sacred divine sources and get into a much deeper

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rabbit hole of people's opinions about things.

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I mean, even this podcast. Right. This is our

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opinion about things. It's everybody's. opportunity

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to listen to that and say that the spirit is

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not resonating with me on that and steer clear

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from that or to say, yeah, the things that they're

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speaking are bringing me closer to Jesus Christ

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and maybe continue to listen for that reason.

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But I love what you're saying. It's it always

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goes back to the scriptures when something really

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shakes you. You have to peel those things back

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and say, okay, I've added that. I've added that

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onto scripture, but let me get back to the scripture

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and say, does this support the scripture truth

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that I know to be true? Totally, 100%. And I

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know what you've been dealing with the last couple

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of weeks. And it's unfortunate that you're going

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through a physical trial right now and trying

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to heal your body from some things. that is that

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is a bad that is hard thing but it's awesome

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to see like what it's really opened you up to

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is just peeling back the layers and also like

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looking at your spiritual foundation and yeah

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You've had a lot of time. You have had to like

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hunker down at the house and I've missed you.

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It's been like three weeks. It's been two full

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weeks. Two full weeks. It felt longer than that.

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Yeah, because it was broken up, right? It was

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like half of one week, a full week, half of the

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next week. That's a long time. Like you said,

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it's a lot of time to sit and reflect and then

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reassess and address the things that come to

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top of mind. It is. After he talked about how

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new members were the lifeblood of the church,

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he... jump right into a story on the William

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Edward Musselman family. Do you remember that?

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Yes. He said that he came to know these people

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when he was a young bishop in California. The

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father was a lawyer, general counselor for a

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major corporation. He had a devoted wife named

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Janet. She was helping her family to strive to

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be more Christ -like. So they were already living

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a beautiful, blessed life. There was a son and

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daughter, early 20s. And, you know, as a family,

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they were enjoying the blessings of what it looks

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like to follow Jesus Christ in their life. But

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there was something more that could be added

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to them. And they started investigating the church.

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They had received the lessons. They were attending.

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Sister missionaries had emphasized that reading

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the Book of Mormon and praying for a testimony

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of that sacred scripture would be the key to

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their testimony or the foundational piece. Then

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you did. And remarkably, the family preferably

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read the entire Book of Mormon. Isn't that amazing?

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Quickly, yeah. At the same time that they were

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doing this searching, They started getting a

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ton of literature that was critical to the church,

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enough to fill a cardboard box. Jeez. So Elder

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Cook, the bishop at the time, was asked to come

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in and help to answer some of these questions

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that the literature was bringing up. So the literature

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is sitting there in a box in the middle of the

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room, I guess, and they open this discussion

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with a prayer. While they're praying, Elder Cook,

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the spirit whispers to Elder Cook. that the father

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already knew that the gospel of Jesus Christ

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was true. Love it. And this was important. The

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sisters had believed the rest of the family were

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on board, but they weren't really sure where

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the dad stood as far as his testimony of the

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gospel. So they finished the prayer, and Elder

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Cook says, I've been impressed by the Spirit

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to know that you already have a testimony. Is

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this true? And the father looks at him intently

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and says that, yeah, the Spirit had confirmed

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the truth of the Book of Mormon, and for him,

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that. was enough to know that the church was

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true as well so then he said well now is it important

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to discuss what is in these pamphlets and the

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dad agreed it's not important to even delve into

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that because i know for myself from what i've

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prayed that that foundation those scriptures

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are true so that that's that's all that's all

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the information he needed from there and so if

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you know he's followed this family they were

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quickly baptized. They were sealed a year later,

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and he's watched their lives. They've remained

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faithful in the church. He's even been able to

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perform a temple ceremony for, I guess, one of

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the granddaughters at this point. Amazing. I

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love that. The conversions that are occurring

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in our day are equally remarkable. Elder Cook

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says that last June, Coach Andy Reid, head football

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coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, and I, along

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with others representing our faith and other

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faiths, spoke in a multi -faith event at the

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Riverside Church in New York City. Coach Reid

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emphasized second chances and responded to invitations

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and opportunity. opportunities, which is what

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the gospel of Jesus Christ is all about. The

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next morning with our wives, Tammy, Reed, and

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Mary, we attended the sacrament meeting at the

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Manhattan Second Ward. It was a spiritual service.

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There were many new converts in the congregation.

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Five recently baptized members, four men and

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one young man, were among the Aaronic Priesthood

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members passing the sacrament. I am happy to

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report that a similar influx of new members is

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happening throughout the church. With the internet

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being what it is, it seems like all you hear

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are public announcements. It's true, right, that

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people are leaving the church. But hearts are

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being softened and people are becoming more vocal

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about Jesus Christ. And people throughout the

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world are joining the church in a significant

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way. That is so beautiful, Abby. It did touch

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my heart when he said that, because like, I agree.

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That's what you see, people very vocal and they're

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leaving. But when you look at... you know, a

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handful of stories to that compared to thousands

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and thousands that are entering around the world

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and the opportunities that it's creating for

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them and knowing that that foundational piece,

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the Book of Mormon, is what's changing their

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lives. Yeah. You know, I don't know the exact

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quote, but I've always loved this, that the work

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of the Lord moves forward without fanfare. I

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love that because it's just, it's kind of like

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nature. It's just steady and there's steady progress.

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And pretty soon the snow outside is going to

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melt and the river is going to get, you know,

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it rushes more and we're going to get leaves

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on the trees. It's without fanfare. It just goes.

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But on the other side, as far as Satan is concerned,

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he does a lot of fanfare. So it's easy to take

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notice. Make it look like this is the trend,

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that this is the majority. And it's just not.

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Yes. I'm thinking that if I was a new convert

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listening to Elder Cook speak, I would have felt

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extra special when he said this. We are grateful

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for the noticeable increase in those who respond

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to sacred invitation, change their lives, and

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accept the opportunity to follow Jesus Christ.

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They enter the covenant path through faith, repentance,

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baptism, and confirmation as taught in the Holy

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Bible and the Book of Mormon. That last line,

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you know, might serve as a reminder to all of

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us what the covenant path looks like. And it's

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much easier to stay on when this sacred scriptures

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end. allowing the Spirit to confirm the truths

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of those sacred scriptures. You know, don't just

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get thrown aside for some passing comment or

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some influencer on the internet. We cannot underestimate

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the significance of sacred scriptures, both in...

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conversions and also in remaining faithful to

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the gospel. What did ancient prophets know? They

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knew about the mission of Jesus Christ and they

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taught his gospel. The book of Mormon helps us

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draw closer to God as we learn, understand, and

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apply its teachings. The prophet Joseph Smith

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taught a man or woman would get nearer to God

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by abiding by the book's precepts than by any

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other book. Amen. I'm glad that that scripture

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was shared with us. Do you remember it being

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Sharon? Sharon? Sharon? I'm making up words here.

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Do you remember a time in your childhood when

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that was presented to you? Shared. That's the

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word. You mean the quote by Joseph Smith? That

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you become no closer to God than any other book.

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Yeah, it was always like, wow. I wasn't even

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great at reading the Book of Mormon back then

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when that was shared with me. But shared, I used

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it correctly right there. But as an adult. I've

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seen it multiple times. And I know for a fact

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that if I need something, if I need to recenter

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myself, if I need some firm footing, all I have

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to do is open the Book of Mormon. And the answer,

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it's there in some form. It takes me opening

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it. It takes me opting in and spending some time

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there. But the answers, I've never been failed.

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The answers have been there. I totally agree,

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Abby. He bore a simple yet powerful testimony.

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Next, he said, to know that the Book of Mormon

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is the Word of God, we need to read, ponder,

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and pray about it, and then act according to

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the precepts. The prophet Moroni promised that

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God will reveal the truth of the book to us as

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we pray with a sincere heart, with real intent,

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and with faith in Christ. Studying the Book of

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Mormon is essential for enduring conversion.

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You can't read it and have a testimony of it

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and think that that's going to withstand. you

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know, the things that life's going to throw at

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us. It's a constant, continuous process. Because

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at the same time, you think my testimony that

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is so rock solid that nothing's going to happen

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to it, Satan's going to take that as an opportunity

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to put something else in its place. Oh, yeah.

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Especially when President Nelson said that he's

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quadrupling his efforts and his tactics are varied

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and they're different now. I mean, it's like

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his game is on, ours needs to be too. Thank you.

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Something to reflect on is how blessed we are

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to have the Bible and also the Book of Mormon,

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another testament of Jesus Christ. The Book of

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Mormon provides fundamental doctrine that enhances

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and builds upon the Bible. The doctrine of the

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atonement of Jesus Christ is a profound example.

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The Bible provides an accurate account of the

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mortal ministry of Jesus Christ, including his

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death and his resurrection. The Book of Mormon

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is more explicit about the atonement of Jesus

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Christ, absolutely, something prophets explain

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in detail prior to his death. I just this this

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week, I was studying a talk that President Russell

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M. Nelson gave back in 1995. And I absolutely

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love the way he masterfully he first shared a

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scripture from Christ's mortal ministry from

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the Bible is Matthew five something. And then

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the very next one that he shared was from the

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Book of Mormon. And it like. It just worked so

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perfectly together. And I just love how it was

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seamless. It was like, well, this is what happened

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here. But then it was different. Like he said,

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notice the change of words. It was actually,

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he was saying, be therefore perfect, even as

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our father is perfect. Right before he died,

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he said that. Then after his resurrection, he

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says to the Nephites, be therefore perfect, even

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as I. He's like, notice the difference. He didn't.

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So he was talking about how that showed him about

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the resurrection, completed his perfection. I

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just loved it that that was available to us.

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So it's totally true that the Book of Mormon

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is explicit about the atonement of Jesus Christ.

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We get to learn so much from it. Another testament.

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It adds to it. It doesn't take away from it.

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I was reading some comments on some social media

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stuff and was informed that members of The Church

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of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints can't feel

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the Spirit. They're devoid of the Spirit because

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they've added Scripture to what was already there

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and perfect. And I was like, man, if you read

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the book, you'd let the Spirit tell you whether

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that was true or not. Amen. And, you know, I

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don't like to dabble in that. It's not like I

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was like looking for anti -Mormon literature.

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I was reading some comments just briefly. Just

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what are people's thoughts on this thing? A good

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temperature check. Yeah, what that did to me

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was just to help me reaffirm the testimony that

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I have of the sacred Scripture working in tandem.

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as they were always meant to. It makes perfect

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sense to have both of them to enhance the things

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that we already know, to bring out details that

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would be lost otherwise. I just love it. A full

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picture. I'm so grateful for it, Abby. A reminder

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about prophetic promises. Elder Russell M. Nelson

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said, I promise you that as you prayerfully study

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the Book of Mormon every day, you will make better

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decisions. Every day. He also promises that if

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you daily immerse yourself in the Book of Mormon,

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you can be immunized against the evils of the

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day. So to know that efforts are going to be

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quadrupled on Satan's side and to know that the

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immunization, the only immunization we need is

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some time in the Book of Mormon. Yeah. That seems

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like a pretty easy antidote, remedy, whatever

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to take. It really is amazing. It is wise to

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consider an action item here. Okay, so whether

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paper or electronic, what is working for each

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of us in our own scripture study? How are we

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making time for it? Do we notice a difference

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when we read? Are we approaching it systematically

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or by topic? Are we asking questions as we go?

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What is working? Abby, what's working for you

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right now? I think I kind of mentioned I had

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some time to think about this. The electronic

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copy is working for me. I love starting my week

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with the Come Follow Me chapters and some suggested

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things to study. I love reading the conference

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talks that are more dated that they insert into

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the Come Follow Me stuff so that I can see how

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all of that kind of works in tandem. And I like

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to get that done really early in the week because

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I feel like it. presents me with opportunities

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to have discussions with my kids in very normal

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and natural ways. Like it's on your heart, right?

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And it's not a checkbox thing for me, but that

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kind of takes priority. And then I can move into,

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like, I've already shared this. On Sundays, I'm

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spending more time in the topical guide, working

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through all of the titles and things associated

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with Jesus Christ. How's that going? It's great.

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I've already evolved it to the point where it's

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like... I was like, well, what's it going to

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take to do this in a year? What do I need to

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get it done for in a year? I love it. I got half

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my life left. So it may take a little bit longer

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and I may spend more time on like a certain like

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the birth of Jesus Christ. I'll tell you, that

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was that was a cool one for me just to think

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about him coming as a child and his condescension

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of Jesus Christ. Like alphabetically, I'm coming

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up with the words. I'm thinking it's amazing

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to stop and think on every facet of his life

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to think how important all of that was into.

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gain whatever I can of that particular quality

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or trait or experience that he had in this life.

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So yeah, it's electronic for me right now. But

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I will say, I do love that you mentioned seasons

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change. If at some point I feel like I'm getting

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too far off the path of just a simple sacred

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doctrine, I might stick to my copy of an enzyme

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and a copy of the Book of Mormon imprint. That

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could be a thing. And if that's what people are

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thinking, that's what I'm doing. And it's really

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working for me. Yay. I'm glad for you. What about

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you? I will say this. I love when you just shared

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what your approach is right now. And I like how

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you said like you amended it. Yeah. You know,

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like being open to the spirit and being open

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to. It's changed. And that's the thing, too.

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You don't always know what it's going to look

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like until you jump into it. And then you're

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like, oh, I understand why I had the impression

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to start. And now I have a clearer vision of

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what I'm doing with this. I'm the same way in

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my study. I'll tell you why it evolved. I was

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sitting there in sacrament and it did help me

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like zero in on the beauty of the sacrament being

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passed because I was like, you know, on my phone

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in a youthful way, not like in a game, which

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I might tend to want to be into or something.

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And I thought, you know, if I push through these

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scriptures and don't spend the time like really

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thinking about them and making them, you know,

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Adam, I'm developing. Being my testimony of each

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of these words is what I'm doing. But anyway,

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if I try to blast through that too fast, the

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Spirit was telling me, like, that's very checkboxy.

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That's not what we're going for. You're going

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for what lessons you can learn to become more

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like Him. Yeah. And so I kind of had to take

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the time restraint off of it. And that is just

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going to take a while. I'm not even sure how

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long it's going to take. Totally. That's fine.

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And that is just fine. Being in the Scripture

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is wonderful. Elder Cook said, I'm particularly

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grateful that it allowed sacred. allows sacred

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books and church materials to be available digitally.

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Amen. They do a lot of work, like to make those

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apps successful. They've updated it recently,

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kind of make it more appealing. They want to

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be like every other app to draw your attention

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and suck you into it in a good way. He said,

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the internet is a powerful tool for studying

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the gospel. Today, many people share scriptures

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with friends using technology. There's a Book

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of Mormon app, for example. You can... you know,

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share that out with people, just the same as

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handing like a paper copy of the book. And it's

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a great way that you can introduce friends to

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the Book of Mormon and easily share it in natural

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ways. Another huge blessing about technology

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that came to me as I was preparing for this talk

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was how we can get the gospel into people's own

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tongue. They'll take those Book of Mormon videos.

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Years ago when those were coming out, we were

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on a church district tour with this guy named

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Justin, and he was heavily involved with that

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project. So he showed us this. like, intro video

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to get you excited about it. And I was like,

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Oh, that's so amazing. And he brought out the

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idea that when people are illiterate, they never

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get to have the Book of Mormon for themselves.

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They're counting on you telling them about it.

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Right? Yeah. So the way that they did the Book

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of Mormon videos was to be so precise in, you

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know, what was said and really set the stage

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for people. So for the first time, people that

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were illiterate could see it. Well, A gal in

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our ward shared that her son, he's in Mexico.

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And so when you're in Peru, you've got Spanish

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and then you've got Quechua because it's the

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ancient Incan language. When you're in Mexico,

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you've got the Aztecs. You've got an ancient

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Aztec dialect. Dialect, totally. You can never

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get the Book of Mormon into that. Oh, you could.

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It could take years. But actually, you can't

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because it's not a written language. It's impossible

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to translate the book into an oral. It would

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be someone who still speaks it, who would translate

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it. And good luck with that. So the right people

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fell into the right ways. And I'm going to link

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this article from LDS Living. But for $5 ,000,

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they can take the videos that we have already

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for the Book of Mormon. And then they can use

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these people that have this spoken language.

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And so then you've got the camera panning on

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the eyes of these people who speak that language.

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Wow, Abby. And watch them. experience the Book

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of Mormon for themselves for the first time.

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It's so touching. So I was like, that's the truth.

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He's promised that he would get it into the hands

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of these ancient ancestors of the book. this

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is the way that it's happening right now because

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of technology. So as awful as it can be, isn't

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it so amazing? That it's also a blessing. Yes.

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We know with these amazing benefits of technology

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and the gospel that we have to be aware and prepared

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for the digital boxes full of anti -literature

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out there, kind of like you touched on earlier.

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Content meant to create doubt and undermine faith

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in precious gospel principles. If it can be part

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of the evils of the day that President Nelson

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mentioned, the adversary And those who assist

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him, knowingly or either unknowingly, have created

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on the internet the equivalent of the box of

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written material critical of the church that

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he described earlier. Yeah, rooms full of them,

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right? Intended to draw you away, each of us

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away from God's truth. Yeah. If you want to find

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anti -content, you can find a host of it. People

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poking fun at our leaders. One of the latest

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things they'll say, oh, your leaders, they don't

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want you to question anything outside of what

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they're saying. They don't want you to look outside

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for information. I feel like that's a gross exaggeration

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of what they're actually counseling us. Agreed.

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This talk lays out the fact that it's scriptures

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that must be our foundation. And when questions

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arise. To start with the sacred scripture. If

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you don't believe the Bible to be the word of

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God, certainly don't be pondering over the Bible

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to get your answers. Certainly don't be pondering.

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But if you do agree that the Bible has valid

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content and can bring you closer to Jesus Christ,

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read that. If you're me and you know that the

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Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus

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Christ, you'd be stupid to not, you know, accept

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that as a primary source for the questions that

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you're undertaking. Absolutely. They literally,

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they just want you to feel bad about, about.

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They want you to just not agree with the scriptures

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or what the prophet's saying and jump right to

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their content. No, listen to me. I'm much smarter

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than your prophet. What do I know about you?

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You have my best intent at heart? I don't think

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so. Allow the spirit to guide your studies and

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answer your questions rather than algorithms

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and social media that never work in your favor.

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They never uplift and edify. Can you go to the

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internet for answers? Absolutely. But if you

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approach it with a heart determined to step off

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the covenant path, Satan's going to be more than

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happy to lead you to people eager to get you

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there. Absolutely. Constantly checking yourself

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if the information that you're taking in is even

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credible, is a necessary key. What's their motivation

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for providing the content that they are? What

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sources are they referencing? And remember, not

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all sources are equal. Not everyone has your

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best interest at mind. 100%. It's interesting

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you say that, too, when he says determined to

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step off the covenant path. So when I have questions

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and I'm actually looking on the internet or something,

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I'm Googling something. I'll always start with

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a prayer and I say, Heavenly Father, my intent

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is to find truth that absolutely 100 % is in

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line with the gospel of Jesus Christ. I am not

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looking for anything to supplement or other than.

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I'm looking for truth. We'll call that divine

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Google search. Yep, divine Google search. So

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if it falls within there, then that's great.

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I go ahead. And if your heart's constricted,

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it's hard. You want to be out and you're looking

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for a reason to be out and you think that stacking

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it with more... literature to get you there is

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going to be helpful, you're going to be begging

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for Satan to put that material in your face.

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It'll be definitely available to you. Agreed,

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Abby. He said this, both long -term members and

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those newly studying the gospel need to be intentional

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about what they view. Do not entertain immoral,

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dishonest, or unrighteous material. If you do...

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algorithms can lead you down a path that destroys

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your faith and impairs your eternal progression.

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You can be acted upon positively or negatively,

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of course, right? Seek righteousness and avoid

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dark internet rabbit holes and doom scrolling.

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Fill your life with positive, righteous ideas.

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Be joyful, have fun, but avoid foolishness. There

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is a difference. The 13th Article of Faith is

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a marvelous guide. Above all, immerse yourself

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regularly in the Book of Mormon, which will draw

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the Spirit into your life and help you discern

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truth from error. So, you know, what the question

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we might ask is, what if a loved one has gone

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down that rabbit hole? His apostolic counsel

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comes to us here. He says, return to the sacred

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scriptures, prophetic guidance, religious observance

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in the home and the music of faith. What he's

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saying is you individually do that. Yes. They're

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not in a mindset where they're going to want

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to do that, but you choose to do that. And that's

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going to change how you respond, support, love,

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despite, you know, now your differences and opinions

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about. about things that you're holding sacred.

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Every soul is precious to the Lord. We need you.

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The Lord needs you and you need him. You will

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always be welcome. During my many years of church

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service, he said, I have cherished the wonderful

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people who returned to the covenant path and

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then served and blessed everyone they loved or

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with whom they came in contact with. I want to

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add my testimony to that. Somebody that strayed

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from the gospel of Jesus Christ and found their

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way back. are my favorite people in the world

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because they've done the hard work without me

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having to. And I can see the testimony that they've

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grown in that process. I'm just grateful. Right

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now, I can't hold my life together without the

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gospel of Jesus Christ. I don't want to intentionally

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steer off of it, but I'm hoping that people that

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have been off and they're looking for a reason

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to come back or a way to come back, know that

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it's as simple as starting with. with the scriptures

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and knowing that they come with so much valuable

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knowledge on the backswing of things. Don't you

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think? Very powerful. Yes, Abby. Always remember

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that the sacred scriptures and living prophets

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are love notes from heaven. Love it. They are

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the vehicle by which Heavenly Father makes His

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plan of happiness available to all of His children.

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Any last thoughts? No. Do you have anything for

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us in closing? I'm going to close with this testimony.

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He said, I bear sure witness of the divinity

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of Jesus Christ. And I'm just going to end with

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his sweet, simple testimony. What he said was,

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I bear my sure witness of the divinity of Jesus

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Christ and the reality of his atonement because

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of the things we have learned for ourselves through

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scripture study. Amy and I add our testimony

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to that testimony as well. And we do that in

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his name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.
