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Welcome to Closer to Christ, the General Conference, where two friends who love Jesus share our

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own approach to studying the most recent General Conference talks.

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This is Abbey and Amy.

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Let's jump into it.

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Today we get to enjoy taking a deeper dive into Be Thou Clean by Elder D. Martin Gorey.

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Did I say that okay?

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Of the 70.

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I'll just start by summarizing a little bit of how he kicked it off.

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He starts by talking about him playing soccer near a church and he overhears a pastor telling

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his congregation about the coming of the Lord.

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So this young Elder Gorey understood that he would need to have clean clothes for the

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Lord's coming tomorrow.

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And so he had his mom wash his best outfit so that it would be ready for him.

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And to his disappointment, the Savior didn't return that next day.

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The scripture is in reference to what the pastor was relaying that day.

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It said, no unclean thing can enter into his kingdom.

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Therefore nothing entereth into his rest save it be those who have washed their garments

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in my blood because of their faith and the repentance of all their sins and their faithless

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unto the end.

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That comes from 3rd Nephi.

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So how does outfit clean, Amy?

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He was ready for the coming of the Lord.

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That all that it takes is a clean set of clothes.

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So let's just jump in with a question about being clean.

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What are some challenges that prevent us from being clean?

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Some challenges that come to us when it comes to repentance in our daily lives?

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You know, as I was thinking of this question, just a couple of things came to mind.

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The first one was, for me, I really didn't think of repenting every single day until

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our prophet challenged us to.

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I just didn't really think that I, you know, there were times that I did, but it wasn't

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a daily thing.

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So I think maybe for some of us that we just feel like we're not doing something grievous.

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And so we don't think that that's needed.

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And because of President Nelson's challenge, I think that for a lot of us, it's a reflection

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to self-reflection.

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The challenge would be to repent daily, find joy in daily repentance.

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Joy.

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Again, right?

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That totally changes it.

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I want to re-emphasize that.

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I knew what you were talking about.

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So yeah, self-reflection would be the key for that one.

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And then the second one is that sometimes it is obvious, but we don't want to repent

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or give up that favorite sin yet.

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So those are the two that I thought of.

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How about you, Abby?

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So just as we were re-emphasizing the way that he phrased it, he said, find joy in daily

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repentance.

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That's something that I've learned later in life.

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Not just daily that you can come to him, that it doesn't have to be like grievous sins and

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like big things that you're bringing to him.

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Really finding joy in repentance is finding that you can turn anything over to him.

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You recognize that it's not something, a burden that you want to carry anymore.

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The second that you want to turn it to him, that can be done.

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And in those moments, that's when you really feel the joy like, oh, did it disappear?

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No, but it's no longer my burden alone to bear.

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Because I've involved him in the process.

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I love that.

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That's really good.

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So when I'm asking, what's the challenge, it's just knowing that that's not option.

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Knowing that it doesn't have to be this huge big thing that you're all of a sudden turning

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over to him.

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And I think if we work on that ourselves and if we train up our children, if we have some,

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or a friend, as we're discussing what real repentance looks like, if we can teach that

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lesson to others, that's going to help them get over a challenge.

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I don't know, I'm kind of stumbling on this, but I'm thinking...

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A different way to look at it.

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It took me a while to learn that piece of it.

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So the sooner that we can get that out to those that are in our circles, then we're

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really blessing a lot of lives.

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They can look at it a little bit differently, not like it's this something you save up for.

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You can only ask him for forgiveness so many times, then you're going to throw it at his

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feet all at once.

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I totally get that.

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You're welcome to daily repent and find joy in that.

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So how does the atonement of Jesus Christ give you hope and peace when you struggle

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with this inner mistake?

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So when I remember that the atonement of Jesus Christ is for everyone, then I remember that

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that includes me too.

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So that's big for me.

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Isn't it funny when you can look at somebody that hasn't had Jesus Christ as part of their

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life and they're carrying around these burdens and you watch them change, their very being

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changes as they come to him.

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And that somehow, sometimes maybe it's like a mental block or whatever.

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I don't know exactly what the reason is, but you can physically see it in somebody else

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and then you have this gap like, but that can't be for me.

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It's for everybody else.

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It wasn't meant that way.

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So I just like that you said that includes you too.

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We have to remind ourselves of that.

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How often we disregard ourselves as being the one that that's for.

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And maybe unintentionally sometimes we don't realize that we do.

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I think that must be what it is more often than not.

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We don't mean to do it to ourselves.

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You're like, oh, of course, because deep down we know, but then when it actually comes to

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the nitty gritty and the small things in our lives, we're like, eh.

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I'll just keep it myself.

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I'll just deal with it myself.

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So this is for anyone listening to the podcast.

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Have you ever sat in sacrament meeting and thought, well, here we are again.

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I'm the same old me and I keep making the same mistakes.

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Is this even worth it?

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And am I wasting the Lord's time?

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So I actually had an experience with this and maybe I'm the only one who's ever felt

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that way.

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About 10 years ago, I was sitting in sacrament meeting.

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I had younger kids.

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It was not uncommon for one of my kids to have a meltdown before church and for some

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of us to come with tear stained faces and no socks because they felt weird.

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The socks felt weird.

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Yes.

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The sock was on the right foot.

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So anytime the summer was over and we had to start wearing clothes again, like I'm serious,

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we had to start wearing clothes again.

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My sons would have a hard time wearing socks and wearing actual pants because they had

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been wearing swimsuits all summer long.

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So anyways, so I sat down.

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I was sitting there and I was thinking I'd been a lousy mom again that week.

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I had the thought.

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So I prayed right there in my mind and I asked Heavenly Father, am I wasting your time coming

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here again?

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The same old me every single week that sacrament meeting changed my life forever because the

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feeling inside my heart and around me instantly changed.

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It felt as if I was instantly transformed to the presence of Heavenly Father.

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And I felt that in my bones.

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I understood without question that no effort we put forward or put toward being better

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is ever wasted.

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I understood that when we choose to take the sacrament, sometimes that's just the lifeline

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we need to Christ and His atonement that week.

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I understood that when we take the sacrament weekly and renew that covenant to always remember

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Him, we're taking part of His power into our lives.

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Even if that power goes unnoticed, it still goes to work.

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This was the first week I'd ever actually felt tangible hope springing from the atonement

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of Christ.

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And in this meeting, it was through the ordinance of the sacrament.

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That week I understood hope in a different way.

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It was hope that I could change.

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It was hope that even if I didn't recognize the change within me, it actually was happening

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just like bamboo growing.

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It was happening because I kept choosing Jesus.

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Each week I kept taking the sacrament with a broken heart and a contrite spirit and with

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a hope to believe Christ.

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I hope to believe Him and when He said, come unto me all ye that are heavy laden and you

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will find rest to your souls.

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I found hope and peace that week and that lesson has never left me.

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Like President Nelson said, no one can ever take away a witness, pour into your heart

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and mind about what is true when the spirit witnesses.

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So that's my experience.

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You haven't really questioned it again since then.

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You don't get down on yourself so much if you don't feel like big leaps and bounds of

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changes are happening for you in your life.

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You're happy with micro changes.

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Yes.

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And I do seek change in a different way.

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Now I was like for that time, that is what I needed.

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It was like Amy, you're in a spot that like it feels like nothing's happening when your

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kids are really young, but really a lot is happening.

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Do you feel like your understanding of repentance has grown since then?

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Do you feel like because you understand more about how repentance works for you and that

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you are worthy and able and capable of repenting like daily at this point has helped you become

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more receptive to the spirit, more capable of following his guidance?

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I would say, yeah.

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I mean, everything is a process, right?

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And I mean, when you look at like 10 years ago, then yeah, I would definitely.

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So Abby, when we were just talking about the first question we went over that was talking

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about, what was it?

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The blocks to daily repentance.

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Yes.

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Daily repentance.

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What are the challenges to repent in our daily lives?

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So it's interesting because you, you know, you brought up that it doesn't have to be

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big things, right?

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We can learn the joy of repentance and small things.

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So when we repent, we turn to God.

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I turned to God in nightly prayers and I give him whatever it was from that day.

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So it might look like this.

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Maybe I hand over my frustration or anger or exhaustion.

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Maybe I hand in my judgment of another person.

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And then I ask in prayer for the opposite, which is a virtue of Christ to take its place.

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So for frustration, I might ask for Christ's perfect peace.

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For anger, I might ask for Christ-like understanding.

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For exhaustion, I may either ask for eyes to see what I can leave undone today or the

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Christ-like gift of knowing when quote, it is finished or for Christ's perfect power

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to drink from the bitter cup and just do that thing.

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So it kind of depends on what it is.

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The exhaustion could, you know, he could be like, well, you don't need to be exhausted

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because you don't need to do that thing.

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Or he can say, here's the power to do it.

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So that's the way it is.

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But for me, this is one way of repenting because I turned to Heavenly Father in prayer.

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I give up that thing and I ask for Christ's atonement to heal me.

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It's inviting the atonement of Jesus Christ to work in your everyday life.

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I think that's the biggest part that makes it different is that if you save up all of

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these things that are in your heart and like, let's go back to you saying that you felt

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like I'm a terrible mom and I'm coming to you and nothing's really changed.

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Am I wasting your time?

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It's different when you know that you can have that conversation daily.

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You run through positives that you've done that day and you run through things that you

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would change if you could go back and change it.

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Now you can't, you can't go back and change that, but he can make those things right.

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And when you're doing that on a daily loop the next day, because you've opened this communication

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with him, when you're ready to snap at your kids or get short with somebody or say something

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bad about somebody, let's say those are a few things that come to mind that might happen

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in a given day, you think twice about it.

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So again, he can cover those things as they come up in that day.

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When I make it a daily thing, I do find that what I need to bring to him is less and less.

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For sure.

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I agree.

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That's not true because it's making it sound like I don't mess up daily.

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What I'm saying is the amount that you're trying to unload is less because it's just

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a day.

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It's not a week or a month.

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I haven't saved up to think for it.

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It really is just kind of getting rid of that burden before it becomes so heavy that it

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was too hard to bear.

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And also maybe not before it becomes too heavy, but before it sets in enough to where it becomes

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a habit.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So it's nice to do that as well.

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I also feel like when I am coming to him every day with these things, something that would

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have hung me up, like on one of my mistakes or whatever it was, five years ago, 10 years

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ago, whatever, if you're asking every day, I feel like before I was afraid to say, hey,

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where am I with you?

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Do you know what I mean?

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Sure.

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So when you do it every day, you know where you stand with him.

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And guess what?

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It's most likely that the very next day you're not going to be going over the same thing

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because you're past that, you're done, you're moving on to the next.

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And you've invited him into this process of helping you with those things that you want

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to change about yourself.

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So you've identified the glitch in your natural man or the actual exactly what your natural

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man's designed to do.

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For sure.

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Telling him, I want to involve you in the process to soften this sharp edge that I have.

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I need your help in this way.

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And then as opportunities come up to make better choices that relate to that, he's in

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that process.

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He's going to provide opportunities to say, hey, your kid just spilled sugar everywhere.

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You wanted patience and your kid just spilled sugar everywhere.

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What are you going to do with this?

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Are you going to lose your cool or are you going to explain this isn't what we do and

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start cleaning up, have them involved in the process?

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You have every moment of every day, you have multiple scenarios of how things can go.

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But if you've decided that you want it to go a certain way and you want to be more Christ-like,

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the actual action that we're inclined to do might not be the one that we end up doing,

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which is a good thing.

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Right.

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Which is what we're after right now.

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So I really like the question.

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So in the help that we get, the Relief Society and Elder's Quorum, there's the help.

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From the church news that we're linking.

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Yes.

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And I like this question.

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How does repentance help us become more receptive to the Spirit and more capable of following

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His guidance?

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So after this, the thing that I went through that I was just talking about, I would say

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that as we repent daily, it's kind of like sloughing off the calluses of our hearts.

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And when our hearts are soft, they are more sensitive.

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A sensitive heart is more receptive to the Spirit when He guides us or comforts us or

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teaches us.

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And at that point, we're able to be more capable.

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Right?

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More able.

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Yes.

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So I feel like that's really the big thing is it's like sloughing off every day.

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What if the callus is on our feet or whatever winter feet?

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We decided to do it all just one time in the winter.

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Like it doesn't do the same amount of, you know, it doesn't do the same job.

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If you want it to be soft and pliable, then that's the way the daily work is better.

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Yes, it is.

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Small increments.

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Any thoughts, Abby?

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I would say it's a process.

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I would say obviously the prophet where he's encouraged us to find joy in daily repentance,

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I'm thinking that that's going to hit younger ears than I was when I really grasped onto

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this idea.

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Isn't that great?

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It's so great.

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So they don't have to be like halfway through their life before they're testing that out

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and seeing what joy and what happiness that they can get from really putting more things

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at the Lord's feet because he's already suffered for them.

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We just have to decide when we want him to step in and take those burdens from us.

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True?

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Yeah, totally.

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It's funny.

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I tell my daughter so many times, I'm like, you're learning things that I'm learning right

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now in midlife.

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Yeah, you're half my age.

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Right?

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And then my mom is 83 this year.

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She's learning the same things from conference.

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Right.

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And so she looks at you and being like, you've got another half of your life to where I am

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that you get to experience the joy that comes from following what the prophet has reminded

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us of.

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Truly.

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It's amazing.

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I love it.

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I love that we all get all generations are learning together right now because these

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words are living.

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These younger generations verbalize out of their mouth they've heard that message and

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then they're applying it.

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It just leaves me awestruck.

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I'm like, that's another way that we're seeing that the Lord is accelerating his work and

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he's preparing us all for the opportunity to be as ready as possible.

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Be thou clean, as the title of the talk would say.

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Yes, yes.

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What a great thing.

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I know.

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I agree.

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We don't have to just wait for that Sunday to feel the best about ourselves and feel

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like connection with our savior.

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We can feel that daily.

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So my question would be for our listeners, how do you find the joy of daily repentance?

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What's that process for you?

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It may look different in different seasons of your life, but what is that process right

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now?

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That would be my question.

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That's an action item.

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That's them self-reflecting and then coming up with the action item.

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Is there still feeling like it's a burden to really turn things over to the Lord?

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Is there something that could be done that make you feel like, no, he wants that relationship

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with me.

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He wants to hear from me daily, weekly, whatever.

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He loves those check-ins.

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Closing thoughts.

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I loved this quote that he had at the end.

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He says, I testify that the atonement of Jesus Christ is real and that as we learn to follow

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the guidance of the Holy Ghost, he will lead us to repent and use the power of the Savior's

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atonement in our lives.

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And that's exactly what it is.

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I feel like, again, going back to President Nelson, as we learn to find joy in daily repentance,

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I feel like what he's saying is learn how to use and access the power of the atonement

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in your lives every day and just see what happens with your life.

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My life has changed considerably.

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Where before I was living in, I guess, apathy, now I am very much in charge of what I'm doing

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and I actually look forward to dumping the things off every night.

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And then I'm like, all right, what are we doing next?

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And I climb that mountain with him.

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So I think that it's very interesting that something that the prophet has said has helped

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really change and shift the way that I look at something as I would say, quote, mundane

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as what I used to think repentance was.

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I didn't think it was a good thing.

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I thought it was like plan Z. Honestly, as a kid, that's what I thought.

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So yeah, I just feel I do feel joy in daily repentance.

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Can't say better myself.

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That's a wrap.

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We'll catch you on the next one.

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See you next time.

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Thanks for watching.