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Welcome to Closer to Christ through General Conference, where two friends who love Jesus Christ share our own approach to studying the most recent General Conference talks.

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This is Abbey and Amy. Let's jump into it.

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Today we're diving into trusting our Father. This was given by Elder David P. Homer of the Seventy.

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Okay, so this is interesting. Abbey, I remember last conference we talked about trust in the Lord.

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I felt like that was such an important springboard for me on this talk. In that one, we really delved into the idea that

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above anyone else, God can be a figure of trust in our lives. If given the chance, He will never let us down.

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Over time, we trust in Him. Our relationship grows with Him. And now, here we are in this conference. In today's talk, we get to go further

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and develop the idea of trusting in God and add the additional layer that He trusts us to make important decisions for ourselves.

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This talk was so great, and I always love when he starts out with a good pioneer story or story from the past.

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Do you remember he talked about Louisa Barnes-Pratt in this one? And he was touched in this story deeply.

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And I was touched as well, because for me, as I was listening to it, I thought, what a perfect example for our sisters in our faith

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that might be single or divorced or widowed to see the trust that He puts into them in their difficult situations.

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So she was married, but her husband was called off to a mission. And that's just crazy to think.

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Like, how many children you have, you don't know how long the missions are going to be for. The persecution was getting bad in Nauvoo,

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but you don't know how much worse it's going to get. And so she had to make the difficult decision to leave Nauvoo.

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And once at winter's quarters, where she probably could have stayed back, who knows if there would have been enough to sustain her and the family at that point.

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But making these decisions independently as a woman who has children to look after and care for,

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that's something that I think that our divorced sisters for sure could relate to. And I can relate to it.

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I spent more years single than I have spent married up to this point in my life.

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I was thinking, what about those difficult decisions that I've had to make and I can't rely on somebody else for that help?

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How do I build the trust in myself that I'm not going to get it wrong? What if I do choose and get it wrong? Is there a way back from it?

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And so she's like the perfect example of that. He pulls it because she didn't really want to go.

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It wasn't her first preference to go. I think she really would have rather stayed behind.

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But she did rely on a trusted source who was Brigham Young, not the prophet, but Brigham Young at the time.

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And he had encouraged her to go. And so not begrudgingly, but like not super excited about it. I guess that's begrudging.

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But she asked the opinion. She wasn't super thrilled about it, but she still went anyway.

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And in it said that she safely made both of the journeys. And I'm thinking that's a journey. I've driven that in a car. It's a long journey in a car.

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Think about it independently and with little children about your feet and making all those decisions. That would be extra hard.

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So for sure, it said as she went that she had made the decision and then she put her trust in God.

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That the journey became something from like something she wasn't super thrilled and excited to do to being able to look around and actually be joyous in the journey that she was embarking on.

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You know what? That's interesting. Maybe it was a good thing. It was longer because she had that time.

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If it was a short trip, you might not have that mental shift in your brain to be like, maybe he's made this difficult thing good for me.

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She found things to be excited and loved about. So the gloomy mood gradually changed to joy.

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And she was able to recognize all of the beauty about her despite the trial.

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I love that, Abby. So in second Nephi 434, which I love the Psalm of Nephi. It's one of my favorites.

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Oh Lord, I have trusted in thee and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh for I know that cursed is he that put it his trust in the arm of flesh.

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Yea, cursed is he that put it his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.

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That was an awesome scripture to share and it kind of makes me think back to her story.

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And I wonder what what tests of faith had she been given that would maybe lead her to this point where she could be trusted to make that big decision on her own?

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Or preparatory things for her? Maybe her story of joining the church was a big deal.

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Yea, for sure. I don't know.

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That would be a milestone. Yes, but I'm just kind of thinking back to two bigger decisions I've had to make in my life.

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And when I really look back and reflect on my life, I think, well, here was this small decision I had to make and he trusted me with that.

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And I made the decision. I proceeded forth with it. And then the next decision that comes along, maybe a bigger decision to make.

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But because he got me through the other one, it's not as scary to make those decisions.

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Agreed. Your trust has grown. Yep.

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So, you know, we're speaking about truth. What's the current public opinion on what truth is?

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Truth is relative. It's convenient.

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Whatever is convenient at the moment, for sure.

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Or that God is so generous that he doesn't actually care about what we do.

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Everything will be made right even if we don't subscribe to anything in particular. Right, because he's a God of love.

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Because he's very fluid, which is so hard because that is a true thing. He is a God of love. Nothing can't be made right.

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But the point of the things that he's asked us to do is so that he can make great things better. Better things, excellent.

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Absolutely. Not just to kind of get by and be sort of satisfied with our lives.

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So this is where my three-word summary came in.

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I was really just trying to enjoy the talks at the moment, but I was like, if you can give me a tag word for this talk, what's it going to be?

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And it's three words long. It says God defines truth. Oh, that's so good.

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So different from public opinion on truth. Right.

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If you put the word God into the equation, that God defines truth, I think we all agree that makes it a lot more definite.

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A lot more like it existed at the foundation of the world that existed in the pre-existence, those truths.

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And it's a lot harder to twist and to manipulate into whatever's popular in the moment.

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So from this talk, I made this little note.

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This challenge of knowing who to trust and making decisions goes clear back to the pre-existence.

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And I asked my question, what do we know about trusting God?

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This is what we know. His truths are eternal. They are intended for our benefit.

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I mean, do you ever think that He's trying to give us something that's going to punish us in the long run?

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No, or trick us.

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Right. No, there is somebody that would act that way. I'm hoping that made my list of what we know about Satan.

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So with God, His intent is to benefit our lives, to bless us.

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They bring us blessings.

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President Russell M. Nelson has consistently taught that God's saving truths are absolute, independent, and defined by God Himself.

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Totally.

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Guidance is provided in Scripture and through prophets. So we're not just expected to know things.

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Like, we've been given a blueprint and then we've been given prophets that can articulate in a more deep way, you know, where there might be some questions arising.

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For sure.

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As life experiences change.

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And then He's given each of us a spirit of intelligence and to be able to have personal revelation when we hear the prophet.

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And then Heavenly Father confirms through the Holy Ghost that indeed that is true.

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Like, the process is such a gift.

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Right. The Red Book is great and it is so nice to hear from the prophets, but you make the point that's next on my list.

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The Holy Ghost has been provided as a way to understand truths we don't even fully appreciate yet.

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The Holy Ghost brings purpose, joy, and peace and hope we can find nowhere else.

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Amen.

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So regardless of how loud the voices are getting or are around us that are trying to tell us what truth is, then we always have the litmus of being able to look to the Scriptures,

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listen to what the prophets are saying from olden times and right up to the modern day, and never just being asked to blindly believe that, but to allow the Holy Ghost to bear witness of the truthfulness of that or not.

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Absolutely.

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Love this. This made my list of knowing about trusting God.

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Help Thou my unbelief.

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Every time I hear that line, I think of President Holland because he helped me love that Scripture more than ever before.

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So in that Scripture, a man is coming to him with a portion of trust.

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He's like, Lord, I believe. Help Thou my unbelief.

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So we're asking him to magnify the little trust or truth that we know to have, and we give it to him.

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Like I picture, like I've got this in my hands and I'm handing it over to you.

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Like you do what you can with it because this is what I can muster.

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What can you do to help me?

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This is my fish.

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Oh, yeah.

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He makes $5,000.

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Amazing. He loves us where we are.

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This is the truth.

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Satan would like you to believe that you can stay where you are.

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He wants you to stay where you are.

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That was never the intention.

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The whole purpose of this life was to come here and to grow.

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Growth usually comes with a set of trials.

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We've talked about this more than we can even count, but he loves us where we are.

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But if we reach him, he will reach out in our reaching and lift us up to him.

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Yes, love that.

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If we get the agency to decide if that's the direction that we want to go with it.

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Love that.

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And then I wrote as one of the greatest manifestations of knowing the nature of God and why I can trust him is this truth.

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He sent his only begotten son as a perfect example for us who fulfilled his messianic mission and opened the promise of eternity to you and to me.

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So Satan and those who followed after him like Shem, Nehor, and Korahor have argued that faith is foolish, revelation is irrelevant, and whatever we want to do is right.

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And those voices haven't disappeared with the last pages of the Book of Mormon.

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You know, with what happened in the Book of Mormon, we have plenty of Shems, Nehor, Korahors in our day.

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So the less fun activity here is to tell me what you know about the nature of Satan or know about putting your trust in Satan.

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So I would say deviations from God's truth that have led to great sorrow.

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We have plenty of examples of that.

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Yeah, we do.

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They're all around us.

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The line between right and wrong is completely blur. It's not even blurred anymore.

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It's just non-existent.

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Do what you want.

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And it's not the final line is let the consequence follow.

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There is no consequence because it doesn't matter.

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It's inconsequential.

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I would also say that each person's in charge of saying what's right and what's wrong for them, right?

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If we go back to how we define what public opinion and truth is, that we can't agree that there's one common truth that we all abide and live by.

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That would make way too of a healthy functioning society.

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Right now we're dealing with everybody gets to make up their own truth.

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This is my truth.

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It's true.

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Path of least resistance leading to no learning and no growth.

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Meaning?

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Defeats the purpose of the purpose of coming to the earth.

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If you don't know where you're going, it doesn't matter what direction you're headed, right?

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That's absolutely true.

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If that was your goal.

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Guidance comes from the loudest voices of the moment.

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And that changes every single day.

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All you'd have to do is literally wake up.

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If you didn't have like a guiding star or a true north, which would be God, all you'd have to do is wake up every day, read the headlines and decide what your crusade is for that day.

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And it will change every day.

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And how is that being like blown about by the wind of doctrine?

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Like how President Hinckley said that no one is asking you to change anything.

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And stagnancy is Satan's goal.

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Just chill.

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Obviously, there's kind of some slanted making this list.

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Like there's some slanted.

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We have an opinion of who you should put your trust in and who you should follow.

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But that's just that's just amplifying.

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You know what?

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I think the prophets of the generations have taught, like if you know that that's the outcome of following Satan, why would you do anything but ignore him and put your trust in in God?

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For sure.

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And the results that can come from putting your trust in him.

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Even if it doesn't go perfectly, he can see that your intention is to put your trust in him.

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And I think with practice, they get better.

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It's never going to go perfectly, right?

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Like if you're alive and you're trying, you're going to be making mistakes.

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So choosing whom to trust is one of life's biggest decisions.

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And I will always go with the company of a meinen and

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In religion, like I always tell you, you must believe in God.

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Believe that he has a firm art, broadcastítuloels, so the next gene that means faith,

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which is faithful, moral and authentic to God.

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This woman instructed, his people believe in God, believe that he is, believe that he has all wisdom, believe that Man does not combination which the Lord can complex.

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raising families, right? Or being the oldest, like one of the older siblings watching the

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littler siblings. Like, I think you can see the perspective of, I'm hoping that at some

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point you kind of get that switch in mind that you're like, oh, I can trust my parents,

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I can trust what they're saying, because they've shown that they haven't let me down. And I'm

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saying that knowing that not everybody has like perfect parent relationships, but the

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ideas that they do and if they don't, if...

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Right, they're usually redeeming qualities. And you can also give them the benefit of

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the doubt that this is the first time they're a parent.

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That's true. Neil L. Anderson, we get a quote from him in this talk, he said, he once taught

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that we should not be surprised if at times our personal views are not initially in harmony

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with teachings of the Lord's prophets. These are moments of learning, he said, of humility

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when we go to our knees in prayer, we walk forward in faith, trusting in God, knowing

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that time we will receive more spiritual clarity from our Heavenly Father.

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So good.

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I've lived long enough that I can definitely say that there have been a few things that

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like, they don't mesh with just something that I already knew to be true. Something

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comes out of their mouth and I'm like, that's absolutely true, then I'm going to run with

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it. How am I going to make an action out of that? How am I going to apply that into my

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life? There have been a few things that I've been like, okay, that's not sitting with me

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well, but I can testify that that's true, that if we put those things to the test, that's

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an opportunity to grow, that's an opportunity to expand our testimony to fit within it.

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Not to be like, well, he didn't have the right to say that. That's offending people, that's

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hurting their feelings. Yeah, that's for me, I'm just bearing testimony that when I hear

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those words, if there's a discordance with what I'm hearing, I have a testimony of the

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bigger picture to know that I need to work with it and ask questions for myself until

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I can start filling. Do I think my situation changes immediately? No, I think it's a big,

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it's sometimes one of those things that it's like, until I get down the road a handful

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of years that I'm looking back and like, oh, I'm so glad that I did the work to stretch

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myself to fill that. And ask the right questions to the right person, which is God. Yeah. There

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are a few things that are right now locked in the, I wish that I understood that more

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and he knows that I want some further revelation on that, but it doesn't stall my testimony

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of the things that I have moving forward. But it's kind of like in this compartment

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in my brain that's saying, as things are shared that maybe are pertinent to answering that

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thing, will you kind of alert me that that's a piece of the thing I've been asking for?

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And I can expect that this takes decades to get. I mean, just so you're not guessing what

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I'm thinking about, I, as much as you, maybe want to know more about my heavenly mother,

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but a few key things have just come in recently. Understanding that I understand, we've been

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encouraged to understand the nature of God, his son, Jesus Christ, in the example videos

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that he is to us, that he comes from two divine parents. And so that all of a sudden, all

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of this work that I've been doing to understand Jesus Christ, all of a sudden teaches me about

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my mother in heaven, who I deeply wanted to know more. And so, yeah, maybe it's a matter

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of speculation, but more than that, the Spirit's testifying to me right now. I know her more

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than I've ever thought that I have, but not that I'm done getting to know her. There's

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more work that I want to do there, but I guess you'll hear the loud voices, because they

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don't have written, in fact, hard things that they can go to study about her. It's kind

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of just one sheet. There is some stuff in the Gospel Library. We've read all that there

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is to know about her in the Gospel Library, but it's not like we've been told to not

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think about her and not learn about her. It's just, it's not so spelled out. It takes a

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little bit more of that brain work. So that's what I'm saying that, yeah, sure, I would

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like a book on her. I would like to emulate her as much as I can, but a truth that I did

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know is to learn about my Savior, Jesus Christ. And as I'm learning about him, as I'm showing,

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I'm doing that thing, he's expounding more to me about my mother is.

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I totally agree with that. That's a pattern of God, right? That's something that we learn

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more about the way God and the way that he works by learning about who he is and who

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Jesus Christ is. And the action, putting into action, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. I also do want to go back. So when I just said a second ago, asking the

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right questions to the right person, and I said, you know, the right person would be

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to God. As far as this is funny, because we just talked about right and wrong. For me,

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there aren't right and wrong questions. To me, those are kind of like emotions.

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Good questions and better questions?

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I would say there are helpful questions and there are not helpful questions. If you want

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to ask a helpful question, it would be, Heavenly Father, show me how I can XYZ. Show me how

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this can fit. I've had this experience in my life and what I just heard isn't meshing.

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Help me to see how it can mesh. A non-helpful question would be, Heavenly Father, why does

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this keep happening to me? Or Heavenly Father, why does this per- you know what? Whatever

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the thing is. So helpful and non-helpful is the way I think of it. There are no right

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and wrong questions in my mind. There are no right and wrong emotions in my mind. Do

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you know what I'm saying? We're human and those are going to come. So to be saying,

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oh, you're wrong in that thing. I don't think that's really the way we're looking at it.

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But do you want something that's going to push you towards progression or do you want

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something that's going to have you be stagnant? And we just talked about where progression

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comes from and where stagnancy comes from. So that's all.

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I love it. Okay.

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Alma taught that God gives his word according to the attention and effort we devote to it.

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If we heed God's word, we will receive more. And if we ignore his counsel, we will receive

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less and less until we have none. This loss of knowledge does not mean that the truth

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was wrong. Rather, it shows that we have lost the capacity to understand it.

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100%. Which flip that onto what you just said.

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We if we wanted a capacity to understand something, ask the questions that are going to get you

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there. That demonstrates a heart that's wanting to understand.

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That is a heart of progression rather than a heart of stagnancy and saying, this isn't

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fair. I'm crossing my arms and I'm dying on this hill.

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We all have something that hurts that we don't feel like it's fulfilled in our life that

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is going unnoticed. But I for one in those things have trusted enough to assume that

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it's just not the right timing for those things.

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That is a really good point, Abby. And proceed in this day to day.

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As though those you've taught me, sometimes you proceed in a way as though those blessings

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because they have been promised and I know that they're going to come that I live as

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though they're mine already. For sure.

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And that you're living in a process, right? Like this might be a 14 year process. This

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might be 25 years or a lifetime process. But yes, that is the ultimate show of faith. And

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I feel like that will be rewarded grandly and greatly by our heavenly parents. So what

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are some reasons Abby that we turn away from truth?

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There could be a myriad of answers. If I'm stealing from like what he pinpointed in the

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talk, he had me thinking of two specific things. The first one being pride and the second one

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being doubt. And I think most of us would come up with those two as answers. So pride

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meaning we don't like the truth that's being taught to us or we don't understand it.

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So more often for me, like I said, that compartment that's in my brain, it's not because I don't

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believe what's being spoken from the pulpit. I've sustained all of my leaders. I've had

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the spirit witness and confirmed to me that they are men of God. So when they say something,

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I'm literally not sitting there waiting to be offended and mad about something they say.

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If I get an emotion during conference, it's because it's a gentle pricking of something

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that I need to listen and do. I don't like, I don't make a note to be like, I'm going

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to post about how angry I am that he thought that he could say that. I literally, I can't

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even think of a time that I've been bothered by something that they've said. Do they always

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settle with me immediately? No. So both of those truths can exist at the same time.

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And I would say that it was answered in this talk. I just don't understand it yet. And

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I also work under the premise assumption. That's better. That's more what I want to

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say. I work under the assumption that I will when the time is right.

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I love that. Yes, Abby.

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Like maybe I'll go on a walk and we'll be chatting and you'll say something to me and

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they'll like click all of a sudden. I'll be like, yeah, like that was so on the tip of

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me getting it. And then you said that sharing. So like, yeah, my trust is in God, but like

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I trusted friends. If I'm asking the question and it's open and he puts somebody and they

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make a comment, I'm like, yep, that's, that was mine. Thank you.

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being one of them, a question that I have taught my kids since they were young and small

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was when they hear something and I'm saying something from God, something from one of

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his servants.

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Do you ever, or what about parents? What if parents say something to them? Do you push

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it to that limit too? Are we really talking about like, it really is, it really is God.

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Yeah, it really is coming from heaven. And I say, ask, ask heavenly father this heavenly

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father, does this feel like weird in my heart or in my chest or whatever? Does this feel

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like it's not jiving with me because it's new information and it's uncomfortable or

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because it's wrong. And so I love that because it can be, oh, it's just new information.

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Just hang on. I love that. If it's wrong, then you drop it and walk away. And I would

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also ask, I mean, if it's a big thing, I would say, you know, like, so you know what? You're

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right. That, that isn't, um, I'm getting, I'm hearing the advice. Yeah. Your mind's

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kind of spinning cause you're like thinking of exceptions to the world. But the fact of

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the matter is when your child, when your child feels in, not your, not just your child, anybody,

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this is applicable to anybody. If you feel that feeling of discontent, first of all,

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you want to get out of that situation because you want to be able to say, yeah, that's maybe

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the way the spirit's pricking you for your ears to pick up. That's, that's something

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that's definitely happened in my life. So I think this is good advice that you say,

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um, where's this from? Is this from your, from saying, and if you feel a piece in the

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moment, then he's like, you know, it's from me, my child, you have something to work on.

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Yeah. Put it on a shelf. Put it into whatever compartment you need to. Yes. But if it's,

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if it's a thought, um, if it's, if, if it's a thought, it's got you an easy and queasy

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filling something and you ask if, if it's from him and he, and he, you get the answer

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one way or the other. It's like, no, this isn't from me. Then you're right. There's

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different work there. You put that. It's not just from God. It's anytime something happens

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cause I've shared like different stories of when like someone came up to me and I had

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this immediate feeling of like dread and like, Oh my gosh, I might die. Yeah. It was on my

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mission. And so I told my kids, that's the first time I felt this. And it was literally

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a slam the door and run. Like it was get out now. Right. But sometimes your body has that

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same reaction to a new truth. Do you know what I'm saying? I do know what you're saying.

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That's why I guess what this whole little snippet was supposed to be about is recognizing

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emotion and processing it in a healthy way and in a warning, right? Like a warning, like

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get out now. Does that, am I just doing this because it's new? And guess what? You'll understand

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it. I much more appreciate when my ears are peaked and I'm learning something new that

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I just kind of feel this overwhelming flood of like peacefulness, but usually I've been

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in a kind of a, not necessarily turmoil, but a little bit angsty about something. And then

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the truth is presented in a way that it calms me. So I've been in that state of discomfort.

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So anyway, it's something, it's something I can't say that I'm totally great at, but

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I know what you're talking about. I'm going to put it in my arsenal of fill the emotions.

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All emotions are good. And then what do we use it? We use it to spark us to have a follow-up

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prayer. Like, what am I doing with this information? Yes. A conversation with Heavenly Father would

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be great. Yep. Okay. So we talk about pride and I, and I made this note. It's easy for

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our pride to come between us and eternal truth. When we don't understand, we can, oh, this

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is it. We can, from the talk, we can pause, let our feelings settle, and then choose how

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to respond. Love that. That was a good reminder. So that's what we meant in the last couple

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minutes of the thing we meant for that. Pause, let it settle, and then decide which direction

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you're going to take from it. Love that. The Savior urges us to look unto Him in every

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thought, doubt, not fear, not. And when we focus on the Savior, our faith can start to

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overcome our concerns. And then I mentioned the second, the second reason that we turn

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away from truth is doubt. And the quote came from President Uchtdorf in this talk. He said,

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please first doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith. We must never allow doubt

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to hold us prisoner and keep us from the divine love, peace, and gifts that come through faith

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in the Lord Jesus Christ. So this speaks to the fact that if I don't have answers for

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things, I'll compartmentalize it and I'll say, I will reconcile that with my brain, body,

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heart, whatever. We will be at peace with this. Maybe now, maybe in a few minutes, maybe

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by the end of conference, maybe a few months from now, like give me some time to process

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it. But I'm, I'm kind of acknowledging that I want to make it right. I love that. Like

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you have a, your goal is to have it be right. And you've kind of put like an exclamation

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in front of or behind the words rather than a question mark. And if the question mark

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does exist, you go to heavenly father and you said, I would love for you to turn this

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I think that's beautiful because in no way am I discouraging people from having questions.

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For sure. But I like that. Like you're referencing from another talk that we learned everything,

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you know, with an exclamation, think celestial and ended with an exclamation point, not like

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a dot, dot, dot, or like, you know, eventually, eventually, like just do it. Yeah. So I, I

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thought of this question and reading the talk when, when we're encouraged to be as a child,

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what, what's the wisdom in being like a child?

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That's so good, Abby. Okay. One of my favorite quotes ever is from elder Neil A. Maxwell.

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He taught the submission of one's will is really the only uniquely personal thing we

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have to place on God's altar. So true. I love that so much. No wonder King Benjamin was

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so eager that his people become as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of

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love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord see fit to inflict upon him, even

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as a child does submit to his father.

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I love it. We, we opened this talk with the courageous woman who blessed, who was blessed

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by putting her faith in God. And he closes with another story of a mother who was also

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blessed when she put her trust in God. Do you want to summarize the story for the listeners?

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Sure. So it's a short one. Several months ago, he said as a state president, they visited

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a sister and she, and also her young adult son. So after a few ways,

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It was like a state conference weekend, right? Okay. Yeah. So after years away from the church

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wandering difficult and unfriendly paths, she returned. During our visit, we asked her

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and I really love what she had to say. She said, I'd made a mess of my life and I knew

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where I needed to be. I'm not saying I love the word. She said, I'm saying I love that

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she came to this conclusion and was able to really summarize all these years of her life

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into that one sentence. She knew. I then asked her what she had learned in her journey with

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some emotions she shared that she learned that she needed to attend church long enough

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to break the habit of not coming and that she needed to stay until it was where she

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wanted to be. Her return was not easy. And I don't think that we expect that it would

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be, but as she exercised faith in the father's plan, she felt the spirit return. And then

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she added this, I have learned for myself that God is good and that he, his ways are

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better than mine. Abby, I feel like honestly, the entire reason we are on this earth is

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to say those first few words. I have learned for myself. That's all.

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That's awesome for enclosing. And I love that we kind of just opposed by, you know,

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the story, the beginning. One sister was faith-filled and just kind of not strongly desiring too,

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but still went with it and she was blessed from it. And this sister that kind of chose

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a different path, but that it wasn't the end of her story. That her experiences like

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not living a covenant life that she can look back and recognize what it took to get away,

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small and simple steps that led her away, but that through hard work and determination

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that she was back on the covenant path. And I love, I love people like her who are willing

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to testify of, of the fact that yes, you can make it back and to be completely honest,

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that it's not the easy, it's not easy, but it's totally doable. It, it does something

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for me because I'm like, I want to stay in, but like, maybe there'll be a piece or part.

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Maybe, maybe I'll have that struggle later, but it does just as much to my soul to watch

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somebody that's had it, that's let set it aside and they've picked it back up. That's

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strengthened my testimony. This one strengthened my testimony. And so I appreciate those words.

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Thank you, Abby. So if, if you, if you had an action item for us, do you want to give

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us an action item and then maybe close with the testimony that he had?

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I think I'm going to have to think a little bit on the action item. Cause I feel like

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it's all there, but it's basically the gist of, you know, if there's something that's

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been pressing on your mind, I'm going to some something to the effect of like how we can

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rephrase that into like, what's the next step or like, I love that something with the Lord,

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I believe help them, my unbelief, something with that. So let me, let me chew on that

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because there's a lot of action items, but really we're asking for like, not waiting

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for these huge life decisions to come your way and then deciding who you're going to

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trust in. We're really talking more in this one about like letting moments in your life

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be dictated with a goal to come closer to heavenly father, trusting in him, knowing

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that the actions that you're making small and simple things are going to get you there.

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That's wonderful. So it's not like a huge action item. It's just kind of a general

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thought, like, which, which way do you want? Do you want to increase your faith and put

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your trust in him? Or do you want to, you know, put fear in the equation and, and, and

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listen to what, you know, what do we call this men, the philosophies of men dictate

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how our life is going to go. So I'll think of something in there and I think I'll wrap

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it up with his testimony. I couldn't say it better than him. He said, I bear witness of

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God our eternal father who loves us of his son, Jesus Christ, who saved us. They know

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our hurts and challenges. They will never forsake us and know perfectly how to sucker

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us. We can be of good cheer as we trust them more than anyone or anything else. And I want

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to add my testimony to that in the sacred name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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Abby, that was fantastic. We will catch you next time. Thanks for being here.