Welcome to Closer to Christ through Conference, where two friends share our own approach of
studying general conference.
Hey, Abby, how are you?
Good.
Hey, Amy, how are you doing?
I'm so good.
So today we're going to talk about, it is the second to last talk, and it is wisdom
in the Lord that we should have the Book of Mormon.
Now, this is by President Mark L. Pace, and he's the Sunday School general president.
So I did think it was interesting that as Sunday School general president, Elder Pace
plays a large role in our scripture reading for each year as we study Come, Follow Me
in Sunday School.
And pretty much a quick synopsis is he talks of the patterns that we see in the Book of
Mormon, and he says in every dispensation we have seen a familiar pattern, which we
can kind of attest to in reading.
God restores or reveals the gospel of Jesus Christ through his prophets.
The people follow the prophets and are greatly blessed.
However, over time, some people stop heeding the words of the prophet and distance themselves
from the Lord and his gospel.
So essentially what we're going to be talking about is kind of like a blueprint for how
we can study the scriptures.
That's exactly the word I thought of when I thought it's a blueprint for how we can
self-reflect and really rely on our own personal testimony or develop our own personal testimony
of the things that the scriptures can do for us.
I love it.
So there was a quote that I wanted to share with you for you to consider.
This is what he said.
He said, your daily connection with God and his word have profound consequences.
You're laying the foundation of a great work and out of small things proceedeth that which
is great.
What do you think he's saying there?
Sometimes we don't, it's kind of like looking to the serpent.
Sometimes it's so simple that we're like, that can't change my day.
There's no way I'm going to really have a better attitude or be more gentle and kind
in my approach with my kids or just whoever I'm dealing with that day.
And the spirit, I mean, the truth is that it really is little incremental bits of the
spirit that become part of you, it helps to change your day.
We'll get into something he said.
It was so profound because he's like, you might not be finding these great spiritual
truths every time that you're in them.
You might not be spending lots of time when you're in them.
Just making that acknowledgement to the Lord that you're there for him if he has something
to share with you.
You're in the scriptures.
The Spirit can touch you.
I love it.
So, and I thought that for me was the biggest thing, you're laying this foundation in
a small and simple things.
So I made those notes.
I just said it invites the spirit.
It's going to bring me closer to Jesus Christ and he's not asking for a huge thing.
He's not asking me to do so much that it's not achievable in any given day.
You have to be in his word and invite the spirit into that process to let me hear what
I need to, what question am I seeking.
If I come with a question, that's another opportunity to let those scriptures really
magnify what they're doing.
I like that you said that in the opening, how you talked about the pattern of dispensations.
It's not a new thing that God's going to lay out the plan and dispel truths to his
children.
But what happens is he does that is that people hear them, they accept them, and the gospel
of Jesus Christ is on the earth in that time.
And that's shared through prophets and that's shared through whatever book of scripture
they're able to keep track of, but not typically.
It's not that those words are in those people's hands.
Right?
Right.
I think we know that.
There would have been lots more fragments of scripture.
It's carved in walls and it's on metal plates, it's on the scrolls, but it's not like there's
millions of copies for every person that ever lived.
So it's not surprising that in these dispensations, Adam, Enoch Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others,
that it's easier to distance ourselves from the words that the prophets are saying, and
it leads to apostasy every time.
So we see that pattern, but we've talked in other podcasts, other episodes of this,
about living in the dispensation of the fullness of times.
What's unique about this one?
Why is this one the dispensation of the fullness of times?
And it's because it's the only dispensation that won't end in apostasy.
And it's going to be the one that ushers in the second coming of the Savior Jesus Christ
in His millennial reign.
Yeah.
And that's the only one that has the Book of Mormon.
I love that.
Absolutely.
That's the question he asked, what's different about this dispensation?
I love that.
And that's a big part of it.
I also thought of this feeling that came over me when COVID had happened and we'd been isolated
from each other.
We knew conference couldn't look different.
The prophet had promised the conference would look different than any other, than the pandemic
has and it certainly did look different, but the news that came out at that time, I was
looking at the church news article.
I referenced it back because this came to my mind when I read this part of the talk.
So 29th of January, 2021, the church news announced that conference would be broadcast
in 70 countries, some for the first time and more than any other time before.
This was from the article.
Although COVID-19 continues to prevent large in-person gatherings, more people than ever
are turning into general conference thanks to technology.
The potential audience for the April 2021 conference, which was April 3rd to 4th, 2021,
will be larger than any other previous church gathering.
In addition to the reach of the church's online broadcast, at least one session of this weekend's
proceeding will be broadcast on television and radio stations in more than 70 countries.
So technology changes and the ability to share God's word faster across the world seems
to be a big piece of what this last dispensation has to offer.
The one that will usher in our savior, Jesus Christ, and not end in apostasy.
Which I think is amazing because we would think otherwise.
We'd think because we have such a fast ability to share things that everybody's leaving
the church in droves.
It goes both ways, right?
That's what I thought.
I thought the technology is such a, it's a double-edged sword, but it's much more of
a blessing than it is a curse.
Oh yeah.
I totally see it as a blessing.
You know, Abby, when you had the question of what are some of the patterns that we've
seen in the dispensations, throughout the dispensations, it's so interesting because
literally, pretty much since, since we've had scripture, people have been waiting for
God to come and save them.
Whether it was God or then whether it was Jesus Christ, literally like when he left
the earth, they were waiting for him to come, like they kept waiting for him to come back.
And it's like every dispensation since then has been waiting.
And I was talking to my husband the other day and I was, I said, you know what, I think
I finally understand the way that the, that the initial or the first 12 apostles felt
when they were asleep in the boat.
And they were, they truly were like, death is imminent.
We're going to die and there's Jesus just sleeping on his cushion, you know?
And I mean, that's kind of how Garrett or my husband and I have talked about this, that
like we say to ourselves, how much worse can this get?
Like when is Jesus going to come again?
Do you know what I mean?
And so I was just telling him that I feel that urgency in that they must've had in
their hearts and I have a newfound appreciation for what they went through because that must
have been very much like we're at the brink of death and we need you to come right now.
And he was able to come and save them then.
But anyways, it just, it just had got me feeling and thinking that every dispensation has been
asking for God to come back and to save them.
The chunk of people that were anticipating and hoping the prophecies were true, that
he would come like right now and come follow me, we're studying about the prophecy, the
Samuel, the lame night is going to share and it's like do or die point.
Right.
So that was the first time.
Yeah, the anticipating it and then the people that lived during Christ's time that were
able to be in this geographically locked down area.
It's not just like world travels happening.
You're on feet or carriage or caravan or whatever.
The people that are able to personally see what he's doing and then have to trust, is
that, is that a God?
Is this a counterfeit?
Is this an antichrist or, you know, is this the real deal?
And a handful of people got that message and then the rest of us who have thought, who
have the benefit of scripture to say, is this man that came?
Is he the savior that had been promised to come?
Or are we still waiting for that first appearance?
But he did come.
I'm letting you know that he did.
So in the talk Elder Pace definitely suggests that the scriptures are a big key, particularly
the Book of Mormon as, which is another testament of Jesus Christ as the reason why this dispensation
will not end in apostasy.
And I had never really thought about how key that is.
It's a key piece to my testimony.
It is the reason that I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
but too, for him to specify it as the reason why apostasy will never happen again.
It was profound.
It is profound and it is in the title page work.
It's in stuff that I've studied with that and I was just like, yes, that reconciles,
that totally feels right.
It's the reason.
Agreed.
And I think it's because it's been printed in so many languages in so many ways.
It's across the world.
It's like it would be impossible.
It's like when you, it'd be impossible to take all of that work and burn it and then
and the evidence of Jesus Christ.
He's in all the corners of the world.
Love that.
Like a bag of feathers.
I know.
Did you see my mind?
I'm like, okay, stop point when you say a bad thing and it's a bag of feathers and you
and then you want to pick them back up and the feathers are drifting.
You can't pick them back up.
I was like, okay, that's my ADD brain, but yes, you must have seen that in my eyes that
I thought of that story.
Exactly.
But this one's about Jesus.
Those feathers are not.
It's Jesus moments that you can't take away from all the world.
God promised there will never be another general apostasy.
We need to be mindful and careful though to avoid personal apostasy.
For sure.
I love that.
Remembering President Russell M. Nelson taught, we are each responsible for our individual
spiritual growth and studying the Book of Mormon as we are doing this year always brings
us closer to the Savior and helps us stay closer to him.
Have you ever heard of the podcast?
It's called Come Back Podcast.
Yes.
It's awesome.
My mom references it often.
It's a good one.
Like if you're feeling like people are just leaving, they do leave, but sometimes they
learn most amazing, incredible lessons in the process and when they come back, they
are stronger than ever.
And so because I've been involved in this podcast and I put it out there, my algorithm
is like, oh, she likes Jesus Christ, so let me feed her some anti-literature.
It knows to do that for me.
So it's feeding me stuff, but at the same time, it's feeding me pieces of podcasts like
that or this other guy.
His name is Colton.
I don't know his last name, but he'll take a snippet of anti-Mormon stuff and then he'll
counter it just in a very peaceful way.
It's his own channel.
It's like not being really angry in his stuff.
This is what you're saying and this is where I find truth in these scriptures to combat
it.
He is the most recent guest on the Come Back Podcast.
It was put out like four days ago, so I would totally go to that.
But what I loved was a snippet that he shared from that podcast, talked about how he came
up with his mission and he was so confident in his testimony and he just knew that nothing
like Satan, that couldn't get him in any way because he was so confident in it.
And so he let the little things slip, particularly reading his scriptures.
So then a friend said, hey, my dad suggested this content or whatever you should look at
it.
He's a little bit of a tie and he goes down this rabbit hole and he starts questioning
things he never even thought to question before.
But he had slipped away from just the little things like reading the scriptures and praying
or whatever, thinking we can get by on this because we already know the church is true
and our testimony is strong.
But in that moment, he recognizes that that's where Satan was easily able to capture him.
And so I just made the, pairing that together, so again, go back, listen to that podcast.
There are going to be so many good things that you can get from that, but it's so easy
to do the little things to draw us closer to Jesus Christ, but it's equally easy for
those little, not doing those little things to tear us away from him.
And you don't even think about it until it's maybe a little bit too late, but it's never
not too, too late.
You can always come back, but it's just a harder path, right?
It's nice too, because I have plants outside that I haven't watered for a while.
And you look at them, they could sure use some nourishment.
Yeah, but seriously, like, there's no coming, like if I were to let them die, there is no
coming back.
Like that plant is dead.
I didn't nourish it.
It's just nice that the atonement and repentance work differently than that.
It's so good.
We all need that.
Because I asked this question, have you ever tested the Lord and experienced blessings
when raging his word?
Have you ever put that to the test on what power the Book of Mormon, studying the Book
of Mormon can do for you in your life?
Oh yeah.
So one of them is, it's interesting because I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon.
It's come incrementally, like as I read it every time.
And I remember when I first read it, I was in eighth grade and we did it as a young man
and young woman.
Anyways, it came to the end, that, you know, Moroni's Promise, where you pray and you
ask if it is not the word of God.
And anyways, I did it that first time.
And I was kind of expecting more of like a...
Pillar.
Yes, a pillar.
More profound.
And it was just a sweet, peaceful feeling.
And I went on and every single time, like I remember reading it other times and I'm
like, man, I've read this so many times and I was on my mission.
I'm like, I read this so many times just on my mission.
And I remember having the thought, I don't even need to ask if it's not the word of
God, because I know it is.
But I continued to ask because every single time I ask, that allows the spirit to testify
once again to my heart that it is the word of God.
And so it's just like little by little.
It's...
Oh yeah, my dad says this.
He talks about a testimony that is a bowling ball and a testimony that's a balloon.
And a balloon, when a pin comes to pop it, it pops real quick.
But with a bowling ball, it has layers and layers and layers and layers and layers and
layers and layers and a pin can't pop it.
So it's that type of a thing where I feel like every time I've read it and every time
I've asked, just in this one case, there are a million other things that...
But in this one particular way, every time I've asked, the spirit has fortified my testimony
in that way of the whole entire book.
There's no bad way to gain your testimony of the Book of Mormon, but you were raised
in a very safe environment with parents that very intentionally taught you to love the
scriptures.
And so not like you're raised in a certain faith paradigm and then you're switching things
up.
They're looking for a religion outside of what your parents have raised you and then
you have to know everything immediately.
We talked about that in the Pillars and Rays discussion.
It makes total sense that yours kind of came gradually like a light bulb turning on because
you always knew it to be true and you weren't asking, hoping that it was going to be wrong.
You just wanted confirmation that what you've been taught was right.
I can say mine came that same way.
And I felt like one of the best things that I heard at the age that I was supposed to
hear it was somebody saying that they were asking and they just wanted this.
They wanted...
They got on their knees and they wanted this groundbreaking experience.
And the words that came to their mind was, I can't tell you that something's true that
you already know is true kind of a thing.
And I was like, that's...
Have I not spoken peace to your mind kind of a thing?
That is what I went away with.
And I was barely youngish in those teen years or whatever in the way that I felt totally
comfortable just being happy with the peace that I felt about it.
Because I have definitely lived long enough to have people tell me things and I'm like,
my radar's going off.
Like, that is such a lie.
That's a good way to twist the truth.
And I don't have that feeling about my feelings towards the Book of Mormon.
So...
That makes sense.
Yeah.
I feel good where I'm at with that.
But again, I don't think that that's an end all be all.
I think I should always challenge, do I believe this to be the truth?
Because I'm reading this snippet.
But if I ask even for little things and the Spirit testifies in me of a truth in a verse
that I'm reading, that for me is as good as a witness that the whole book is true.
If I can get confirmation about one sentence, one chapter...
And I know that God sees me that day and knows where I am and what I needed, yeah, absolutely
confirmation for the whole book.
I love it.
So I did put you on the spot asking if the Lord's experienced...
If you've tested the Lord in your experience with reading the book, but I could even throw
myself under the bus and say, I don't intentionally test the Lord and not reading the scriptures
to see how it distances me.
But I definitely let my list of things that I'm trying to accomplish in a day happen.
And then it's like, oh, it's like the last minute of the night.
I'm like, I didn't really get in the scriptures.
I haven't been to my gospel library app and do a quick pass in there and go through that.
Those days look very different than the ones that I wake up first thing in the morning,
getting ready, listening to a conference talk, listening to a set of scriptures, getting
into what the pages for Come, Follow Me are gonna be.
I definitely dictate the way that my week's gonna go by my intention with it.
If I say I want it to...
If it's an afterthought or a...
Or if it...
Yes, so exactly my two options.
So I'm not saying test them one way or the other, but I'm just saying reflect on the
experience you've had when it's been more of a priority in your day, not a certain time
length, but just to say, I'm gonna get in your word.
I'm gonna see what you have for me versus days that it's like the last thought before
you hit the pillow.
When we study the scriptures, it's the Holy Ghost, the great teacher that deepens our
conversion to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and help us become more like Him.
I bolded that because I thought that's the takeaway.
So this is why I thought He was so awesome as the Sunday School, General Sunday School
President.
He gives us some really good questions to consider.
As you're reading the scriptures, He asked a couple of things.
Do you remember what questions?
One of them was, what has the Holy Ghost taught us this week during our study of the Book
of Mormon?
Another is, how does this bring us closer to the Savior?
Such good questions, good questions bring good answers, right?
Yes.
He used that to talk about how important our study is when we're at home.
And when we're asking good questions at home and in our personal studies, then we're able
to come to the church setting.
Somebody might spark something in us and we're gonna share that comment and it's gonna hit
them a little bit differently.
So then not only does it benefit us in our study, it's benefiting somebody you had no
idea that you were doing your preparation, your study for.
Totally.
You know, and I do like that in our ward this in January, our Sunday School President said,
I want to start every week by asking, how did you see the hand of God in your week this
week?
So read your scriptures or do come follow me as if you were going to come and share
one thing.
I love that.
And I do come with those things.
Sometimes I feel like I talk too much.
And at the beginning, I always usually have something to say about how I've seen this
the hand of God, but I don't want to be, I don't want to do it every single week and
be the one.
So sometimes I just zip it and I say it to Heavenly Father in that moment and say, you
know, I saw you and this is what it was.
But I allow time for other people to either be thinking of something that they would want
to share or share themselves.
You know what I mean?
It works either direction because because you know, they're going to ask that question.
It does help guide what your scripture studies can look like.
And so you've won either way, whether you're feeling inclined to share or whether it's closer
to your heart.
Yes, I share every single week.
I just don't want to be too much.
Yeah, I share in the lesson each week.
I know you definitely are good at sharing.
I haven't been to Sunday School forever.
So I don't know.
But your primary, I'm primary.
Here's the quote from the talk, in our Sunday classes, he that preaches and he that receiveth
understand one another and both are edified and rejoice together.
So I think they're blessed when you open your mouth and you share and don't hold your comments
back because like personal studies so awesome, but that's why we're a home centered church
supported.
It's those comments that we're willing to make as the Spirit impresses us too that really
bumps up what we're getting out of the scriptures.
Here's a question.
Do you reflect on the impressions you are getting as you take time to study?
Followed up with how often do we consider the painstaking efforts that went into recording,
abridging, preserving and translating the book that's in front of our face?
Seriously.
So oftentimes I listen to my scriptures.
And then like, but I'll have a prayer in my heart.
And I know the Heavenly Father knows like what I'm looking for and listening for.
And then all of a sudden I'll hear something.
I'll be, oh, that's it.
So I stop it and I run and I like go to highlight it.
And you know what I mean?
And I take more time in that thing.
So I kind of do it both ways, but that just helps me because I feel like the Spirit like
taps me on the shoulder and is like, hey, this is for you.
So when you ask for ears to hear exactly what the Spirit should impress on you that day.
Yes.
Like what I need that day.
What am I in?
What are my weeds?
What are the hardships or what's the clarity that I'm looking for?
Awesome.
Nephi instructed Jacob to preserve these plates and hand them down from generation to generation.
And if they were preaching, which was sacred or revelation or prophesying, Jacob should
engrave in them upon these plates for the sake of their people.
And Jacob later testified, we searched the scriptures and having all these witnesses,
we obtain a hope and our faith become with unshaken.
And I think that's awesome because they recognize those blessings in that time.
Like if you were listening to the prophet and you had the holy words to look at, you
were saved, faithful, you were God's covenant people.
And we get those same blessings.
We get the same blessings having their words preserved over time and translated in our
day, in our language.
He referenced how important the brass plates were.
In 1st Nephi 5, 21-22, we had obtained the record and searched them and found that they
were of great worth unto us in so much that we could preserve the commandments of the
Lord unto our children at the risk of their own lives.
Before they even embarked on their journey, it was like, you've got your family and you've
gotten into safety, but you need my word in the form of the brass plates.
And so that whole encounter with Laban could have been the end of the story, but it was
just the beginning and it made a difference to have God's word with them.
So if it was important for Lehi and his family, how important is it for us?
I thought about that for a minute.
I love the part where when they come back and get him, they thought, sorry, I thought
her sons were dead and all is lost and here they come with him.
And I love that the first thing that Lehi does is they kneel down and give thanks to
the Lord when they come.
That's just sort of a small way of them showing how important they were to them.
And they hadn't even, I mean, he probably knew it was in them, but they hadn't even
read them yet.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I mean, they're kept behind like locking key in a treasury.
So it's not like everybody's got their hands on the brass plates.
Right.
But yeah, I just love that.
There's just the symbolism and the thought of that.
I mean, early on in the book of Nephi, we've got the vision of the tree of life and we
know that Lehi as a prophet and a father desires for his family to know about Jesus Christ.
Isn't the tree the love of our savior?
That's not inaccurate, right?
And then the path to get there, the rod is the word of God.
And so he knew he needed that.
He absolutely needed that.
And they jumped into that analogy about that.
He said that Saraiah and Nephi and Sam were looking around, they didn't quite know where
to go.
And it was Lehi that was kind of loudly beckoning them and like pointing the way.
So for me, that was pairing the rod, use the rod to get to the tree, but also the voice
of the prophet.
So you've got or and your father, right?
Or the father.
Yeah.
They talked about this.
He mentioned that Lehi isn't a great example of intentional parenting.
Does that throw you under the bus if I ask you what you think intentional parenting means?
It means not doing it on accident.
I do have to say the beginning of my parenting, I was much less intentional.
I was kind of just like flying by the seat of my pants trying to figure things out as
I've aged and matured and gotten a better, I don't know what the word is, foundation
under my feet.
I'm able to be seasoned as a parent.
Yes.
It's just crazy.
I look back and I'm like, oh guys, I'm so sorry.
I messed up in this way.
We forgive me.
You know, do they even know?
Probably.
No, they didn't even know.
I mean, they might not say, Mom, you weren't intentional, but they probably have other
words to say about it, you know?
But yeah, I do feel like coming together and my husband and I coming together and then
also having the Lord be part of that with parenting, it's been just game changing in
that way.
Whereas at the beginning, we both have very different parenting styles and I was the one
that was with them more.
So do you know what I mean?
Because he was more at work and things like that.
So it's just come along a lot better and I do feel intentional.
So intentional would be being prayerful about it, having a plan and yeah, I think those
two things.
I love it.
And also to be, for me, when I was thinking of that line and in reference to this talk,
it was like, we know that not all of Lehi and Sarai's children choose the Lord, hold
to the Word of God, partake of what our Savior Jesus Christ has to offer.
And you know, that's not the case that happens.
So intentional parenting doesn't always lead to your children doing exactly what you want
them to do.
There's no way for that.
So I just wanted to make the point that intentional parenting is having the desire that all of
them should have Jesus Christ in their life.
They should all have access to the scripture.
We invite, we invite the outcome that we want will motivate the things that we do as parents,
but the outcome of what actually happens is not in our control.
No.
No, it is Heavenly Father.
Ask us, ask it to be.
He's not in control of some of his children.
He didn't ask.
That is such a good point, Abby.
That is what I feel like I've learned as becoming a seasoned parent is that in the beginning,
I literally thought that like I was being judged on the outcome of my kids, meaning
like what happened.
And it was no, it's like the invitation you invite, you do all the things in love, and
then they have agency and they will do what they do.
And the Lord still has them in his hand.
Always.
Like, it's just never the end of somebody's story.
It's not.
So I loved how he then talked about how his mom intentionally parented him when he was
about 11 or 12.
She asked him, Mark, have you asked for yourself by the Holy Ghost if the gospel is true?
And he says, I've always tried to be a good boy.
And I thought that that was enough.
But my mother knew that something more was needed.
I needed to act and know for myself.
And I replied, I hadn't had that experience yet.
But you must put in the effort.
You need to read the Book of Mormon and pray to know by the Holy Ghost.
Heavenly Father will answer your prayers.
Your question ignited in me a desire to know for myself.
So each night in the bedroom I shared with two of my brothers, I turned the light above
my head and read a chapter in the Book of Mormon.
So sweet.
Then turning off the light, I slipped out of my bed onto my knees and prayed.
I prayed more sincerely and with greater desire than I had ever before.
I asked Heavenly Father to please let me know of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
From the time I started reading the Book of Mormon, I felt Heavenly Father was aware of
my efforts.
And I felt that I mattered to him.
As I read and prayed, comfortable, peaceful feelings rested upon me.
Felt by chapter the light of faith was growing brighter inside of my soul.
In time I realized that these feelings were confirmations of truth from the Holy Ghost.
I came to know for myself that the Book of Mormon is true and that Jesus Christ is the
Savior of the world.
How grateful I am for my mother's inspired invitation.
This experience reading the Book of Mormon as a boy started a pattern of scripture study
that continues to bless me to this day.
I still read the Book of Mormon and I kneel in prayer.
And the Holy Ghost confirms its truth over and over again as it did that first time while
reading the Book of Mormon as a boy.
And I love that as kind of a synopsis of what he'd said over a little more time.
But I thought it's important to point out that an experience like this is key.
It's a big piece of his testimony.
But it's not an experience that lasts a lifetime but can be remembered and applied time and
time again as he continues to read in his adulthood.
It's foundational.
You have to read it the first time, right?
And then after that, you still…
Well, I like that you said you read it with a youth group when you can really say like
from front to back cover.
Like you read the book in your teens for yourself, wanted to know.
I think that's such a good advice.
As parents, that same question was on my heart.
What can I do for my children?
And I got time after time the temple and your attendance in the temple.
Well, my attendance in the temple, if I go back, it's predicated on me understanding
the commandments and keeping a temple recommend.
And it does have a component of staying in the scriptures and grounding my testimony
and knowing the promises that I need to make to him.
But this is huge.
If I want that for my kids, then I need to extend that same invitation.
I love that you've listened to me and that you believe the things that I say, but I have
children approaching that same age that it's definitely time and it's definitely appropriate.
If this is something that I want for them, that it's time that I give them that responsibility.
To know for themselves.
And it doesn't have to be all the things.
It can be, you know, do you think that it's possible for families to be together forever?
And then we maybe do a temple trip and let them experience the Holy Ghost, the true teacher
testifying to them whether those things are true or not.
That's great.
I love that, Abby.
Do you remember, let's see, he said, studying the Book of Mormon and following the living
prophets the best way to prevent personal apostasy in our lives.
President Nelson had a really great invitation that this is what comes to mind.
He says, I promise that as you prayerfully study the Book of Mormon every day, you'll
make better decisions every day.
I promise that as you ponder what you study, the windows of heaven will open and you'll
receive answers to your own questions and direction for your own life.
Let's make that our action item today.
I love it.
Right from the prophet's mouth.
He promised you that as you follow that living prophet and you read it in the Book of Mormon,
it will be the best way to prevent personal apostasy in your life.
Agreed.
Let's catch you next time.
Catch you next time.
For the final words from the prophet.
So exciting.
Give it a shine.
you