1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,920 Welcome to Closer to Christ through Conference. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,680 We're two friends who love Jesus sharing our own approach to conference. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,240 Welcome, welcome today, Abby. 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,240 Happy to have you. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,240 It's good to be here. 6 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:18,240 We're happy that everyone's here with us today. 7 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:23,280 We're going to talk about swallowed up in the joy of Christ, and this is by Elder Brian 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,760 K. Taylor of the 70. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,520 Okay, we felt sad for him that he had to go right after elder Kieran for like five seconds 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,280 and then his talk was so amazing. 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,840 So good for like, no, he was fine. 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,840 It's fine. 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,280 He had to follow that. 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,700 So I loved it. 15 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:41,820 Elder Taylor takes us to the New Testament and he shares three different stories with 16 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:46,640 three unique experiences and then leaves us with his witness that even though they all 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,680 look different, a living heavenly father hears our tearful pleadings and will always respond 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,840 in perfect wisdom. 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,640 I loved it because he is teaching with these three stories that we're going to talk about, 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,120 he's teaching principles that can be applied anywhere. 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,920 And so that's why it's good to look at them and just see how and when they can apply to 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:05,920 your life. 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,640 Yeah, all of us face such like unique complex challenges, different timings and like just 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,400 the scenario around them are so complex that to podcast about that and how you would face 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,960 that isn't as effective as knowing that these stories rest in the New Testament and based 26 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:22,920 on the situation you're going through that you can go right to the scriptures and find 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:28,640 the true nature of how prayer can work or how healing can take place. 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,240 These spelled it out really well. 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,320 He only spent a minute on this part of the talk. 30 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:39,080 I feel like for us, this is going to be kind of the meat of the podcast on this particular 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,080 talk today. 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:46,300 Because the take home is something that our listeners can just think on based on whatever 33 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:49,640 particular trial they're going through in that moment or years from now, whatever that 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,100 trial looks like. 35 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:55,560 So the first example that he gave to us was of Bartimaeus and that this isn't the first 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,960 time we've heard Bartimaeus in this conference. 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:04,160 If you guys remember back to episode nine in Rice E. Colithee, this was an amazing opportunity 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,440 to learn about how this blind man shed his baker's coat. 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,320 He knew that the blessing of healing was going to come and we're hoping for him that'd be 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,640 immediately because it'd be sure hard to support himself if it hadn't been so immediate. 41 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:24,480 But Elder Taylor uses this as the example of a person that has to only ask one time 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,280 and immediately the blessing is granted. 43 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Oh, that's great. 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,480 It is great, but I just think there was so much experience in that blind man's life that 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,760 just because it looks like he asked for one prayer and got immediate healing, do you feel 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,600 like that sums up the message from this story? 47 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,760 I feel like this would be like the consummate act of healing. 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,280 He had done things before. 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,280 He had gone to God in prayer and done all the work that he needed to do between him 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,480 and the Lord and this was a final thing. 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,720 It was kind of like the Lord did only what he could do. 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,280 You've exhibited your faith in me and you're absolutely ready for this healing. 53 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,200 You know exactly what to do with it. 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,680 And he said it is finished at that moment. 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,680 You know what I mean? 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Like we had talked about, was that just the last episode? 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,920 Like knowing when the work is done. 58 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:12,400 Obviously being able to see and you being a blind man asking to be healed with your 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,400 sight. 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,920 Yeah, you would know. 61 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:16,560 That blessing was granted. 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,760 But I love the deeper dive we took into this back in episode nine because as that one phrase 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,360 comes up, it's like it was not the first time that I'd heard of this man. 64 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,800 Now all of a sudden and now because months have gone by since that initial hearing and 65 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,000 then the deeper study of it, it resonates differently because I think all of that work 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,200 that part of me has to put into it to demonstrate what like living with his challenge for all 67 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,900 of those years looked like, knowing what that life looked like and then knowing in what 68 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:49,680 way and when was the appropriate time to ask for that blessing of healing. 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,160 So that was that one. 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,140 The next one was an occasion where a man of Basadia longed for healing and Elder Taylor 71 00:03:56,140 --> 00:04:01,240 uses this one to contrast that the blessing didn't come after the first ask, but rather 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,920 he asked twice to be restored. 73 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,640 Do you have any comment on that scripture story? 74 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,640 Yeah. 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,400 So do you want me to go through the story real quick or do you want... 76 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,600 I didn't know enough about this story to just jump into it. 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,600 I think it might be helpful. 78 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Okay. 79 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,640 So it says, and I don't remember where we are especially. 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,000 I think we were in Matthew. 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Okay. 82 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,200 You can reference that in the talk when you listen back to it, but I cut and pasted some 83 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,200 scriptures. 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,200 Can you see? 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,880 So verse 22 says, and he cometh to... 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,880 And you said, Bethsaedia? 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Sure, but I'm guessing. 88 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Okay. 89 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Bethsaedia. 90 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,680 And they bring a blind man unto him and beslaught him to touch him. 91 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,440 And then 23, and he took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town. 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:46,280 And when he had spit on his eyes and put his hands upon him, he asked if he saw. 93 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:49,760 And he looked up and said, I see men as trees walking. 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,920 And after that, he put his hands upon his eyes and made him look up and he was restored. 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,840 And the man saw clearly. 96 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:57,560 And he saw every man clearly. 97 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:04,200 So I remember being in when I was going through cancer treatments and I remember receiving 98 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,800 a priesthood blessing. 99 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,320 And in it, the Lord asked me to go through all of the scriptures because at the time 100 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,640 we were reading the New Testament, so there were all of these miracles and all these things 101 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,160 happening, go through and find the common thread. 102 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,560 And I was so excited to find the common thread that was healing for all of these because 103 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,880 I was seeking healing of my own, right? 104 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,440 So now sometimes I couldn't do this because my mind wasn't very clear and I was busy 105 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,380 with just being alive. 106 00:05:30,380 --> 00:05:34,280 But when I did do it, one time my mom called me and she asked me all these questions. 107 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,000 And I said, Mom, I have to hang up. 108 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,160 I am concentrating on just being alive. 109 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,160 And we hung up. 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,040 Anyways, as I saw, as I kept reading over and over and I was kind of writing down all 111 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,320 the things that I was like kind of let down for a second because I was like, wait, this 112 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,920 one says this, this one says that, this one says, you know, wash in the river this many 113 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:55,920 times. 114 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:56,960 This one is mud placed on his eyes. 115 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,480 This one, they were all different. 116 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Very unique. 117 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:00,480 Yes. 118 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,840 To the person that the trial was being faced by. 119 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:04,840 Exactly. 120 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,400 So at first when I was kind of like bummed that I had messed up this challenge because 121 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,200 there wasn't a thread that I saw, all of a sudden I was like, oh, the thread is you 122 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,960 go to the Lord yourself. 123 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,640 It's very individual and whatever He says for you to do to heal you, that's what you 124 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,640 do. 125 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,280 And as long as you follow that, then healing comes, right? 126 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,880 Now in His own way and in His own time. 127 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,260 Clearly the ones we're seeing right now happen immediately because Jesus is there in person 128 00:06:32,260 --> 00:06:34,440 and we don't know the backstory. 129 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Like for example of Bartimaeus, we don't know the backstory of that, but that's what 130 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:39,800 it was. 131 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,560 And so I feel like that's a really good thing for me because I don't know what other people 132 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,560 are going through. 133 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,760 I don't know where they are in their path. 134 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Only the Lord knows that. 135 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,780 So truly healing comes from Him and we just follow that. 136 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:55,880 So what was the short answer? 137 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,200 The common thread between the stories are that? 138 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Back to heaven and follow whatever that is for you. 139 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,360 And sometimes it's a combination of all the things, right? 140 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,400 It's a combination of maybe medicine, maybe surgery, maybe all the different things. 141 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,040 He has to know the limits of what we're willing to try. 142 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Like if He's like, you got to, yeah, He knows us. 143 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,120 The combination. 144 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,120 It's a heavenly combination. 145 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,680 That's a good way to say it. 146 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,900 So Elder Taylor is using this to say like, okay, this man asked twice and so the healing 147 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:28,900 was partially restored. 148 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:32,840 He could see like men as though they were trees and then a second blessing made it so 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,000 like he could see him clear as day. 150 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,800 But I thought the lesson is actually somewhere in the fact that sometimes we're asking for 151 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,060 a blessing and we're ready for a piece of that healing or a piece of that to be answered, 152 00:07:43,060 --> 00:07:47,040 but maybe not the whole answer can't come to fruition right in that moment. 153 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,200 So even though it looks immediate here in this scripture, I feel like me, for me, the 154 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,400 take home message was we may get a piece of that blessing, recognize that He's granted 155 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:01,320 that partial piece of the blessing and that in His wisdom, for whatever reason, the second 156 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,880 part of that healing hasn't come, but that it will come. 157 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:04,880 So great. 158 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,880 That's a thought. 159 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:06,880 The two times. 160 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,880 Yeah. 161 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,560 And mine was a little bit off in that because this is considered the two degrees of it, 162 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,560 you could say. 163 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:20,720 I mean, I feel like what you shared was exactly on the point of saying like that you're coming 164 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:27,000 to Him willing to accept whatever part of healing that He's ready for you to have. 165 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,100 I love what you shared. 166 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:30,100 So the third example was apostle Paul. 167 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:34,720 It said this, that he besought the Lord thrice in his affliction and yet to our knowledge, 168 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,840 his earnest application was not granted. 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,720 This just works well with the talk that he's saying, look, he asked for one, he asked one 170 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,720 time and he got blessed. 171 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,700 This guy asked twice and this guy's thrice. 172 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:48,080 There's no way that the apostle Paul asked three times for that blessing, only three 173 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,080 times. 174 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:54,040 And there's scenarios where like every day you're praying for this relief or this thing, 175 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,040 this help that you're needing. 176 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,040 Right, through years. 177 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Right. 178 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,840 And so we know the apostle Paul, he was no stranger to the Lord. 179 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,360 He was walking with him. 180 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,200 He was abiding with him. 181 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:11,800 And so we would say, you know, somebody so close to the Savior asks for, like has a request 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,640 and it's not granted, even though we know it's completely within the power of our Savior 183 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,420 to fix whatever this problem was. 184 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:19,420 It's vague. 185 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:23,660 We don't know exactly what Paul was dealing with, but in his wisdom, he doesn't allow 186 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:26,720 that thing to be fixed in Paul. 187 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:35,920 So for me, I thought back to a couple of talks. 188 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,200 Elder Holland's talk in episode two, emotions of a hidden fire. 189 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,960 Sometimes we don't know where to pray, so we're just supposed to start somewhere. 190 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,600 I felt like sometimes this process of not having our prayer answered is because we are 191 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:53,480 in that moment developing a relationship with him, learning how and what to pray for. 192 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,580 How to approach him and how to align our will with his will. 193 00:09:58,580 --> 00:10:03,320 Maybe the thing, maybe the miracle that we're asking for, like it doesn't exist yet, but 194 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,320 it will. 195 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,640 And so like that continued open prayer asking for that thing continues to show him that 196 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,120 we have faith in him. 197 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,120 As long as that you don't get discouraged and depressed by like the timeliness, like 198 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,200 how long is it going to take to be answered? 199 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,840 Also thought of episode 21 Sister Porter's talk, Pray He Is There, where she prayed for 200 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,160 this blessing for her father to join the church and it took an entire lifetime. 201 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,320 Her father even passed away and they did his temple work and she felt that confirming spirit 202 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,120 that yes, he's accepted the gospel. 203 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,440 So the thing that she'd been praying for took her entire lifetime to be witnessed, but that 204 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,680 didn't mean that she was any less grateful for the answer to the prayer or that she was 205 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,480 like, well, it was nice that you answered it. 206 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Why didn't you answer it so many years ago? 207 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,640 I don't know. 208 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,640 There's just a lesson in there for me. 209 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:51,600 There's a lot, there's a, I think in a lifetime, most of us will or have had an experience 210 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,640 where you pray for something and immediately the help comes and maybe it's just a small 211 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,920 thing and it's like, you know, the lesson is that you just learned, turn to me and I 212 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:59,920 can help you with this thing. 213 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:05,920 And then we've had those experiences where it's taken a couple of thought, some thought 214 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 on it, a couple of prayers. 215 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,760 And eventually that things come to, especially if we look back on it, we're like, oh, he 216 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,360 gave me a piece of that and it sustained me until this bigger thing finally came to, and 217 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,720 I was able to have that. 218 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,720 I'm thinking of healing. 219 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:20,720 I'm thinking of trials. 220 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,280 I'm thinking of, you know, just questions that are on our heart. 221 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,600 We don't know the answer to. 222 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,360 And then unfortunately, I think there's a lot of growth that happens when we be sought, 223 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,240 we be sought, be seekh, is that the word? 224 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,240 Is it present tense? 225 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,240 I want to be like in the past. 226 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,320 Well, actually it could be in the present. 227 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,960 When we are constantly in prayer for this blessing that we're looking for to come that 228 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,320 we know he can grant, but it just doesn't feel like it's coming. 229 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,560 People will say that he doesn't hear me and he doesn't answer my prayers. 230 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:53,120 I think a lot of times that's the knee-jerk reaction to say that he doesn't hear me. 231 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,440 He doesn't answer my prayers. 232 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,920 When in reality, like there's refining. 233 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:05,960 There's a refining that's happening in the weight and the person that you become in that 234 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,940 patience and giving that time for that blessing to finally come about makes you a completely 235 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:12,940 different person. 236 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:14,440 You couldn't have become any other way. 237 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,440 No. 238 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Okay, Abby, this is making me think of something. 239 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,400 So if we're looking at like a lifetime of healing and waiting for pieces and then waiting 240 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,300 for the next piece, waiting for the next piece. 241 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:28,680 So I've had, I've struggled with fibromyalgia pretty much my whole life. 242 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,120 And at the beginning, well, I had a problem with it. 243 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,400 Like during my mission, different medications, yada, yada, came home and I was sitting with 244 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,560 a doctor that he was supposed to be the one that was going to like be able to figure everything 245 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:41,560 out. 246 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,360 And then I sat across the desk from him and he said, um, he listened to everything. 247 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,680 And then he, he slid me a pamphlet of opioids and said, this is for you, you know, like, 248 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:53,680 and I can't, I can't treat the root of this, but essentially pain. 249 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:54,680 Yes. 250 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:58,960 And so I, I, I heard in my mind that is not for you. 251 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,140 And so what I understood was heavenly father knew better than the doctors that I was going 252 00:13:03,140 --> 00:13:05,480 to and that he had me in his hand. 253 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,840 So I didn't take those, which I'm glad I didn't because later I did need them and just for 254 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,520 a small amount of time and they probably wouldn't have worked. 255 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:18,760 So what I said, what my prayer was to heavenly father at that point was this heavenly father, 256 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,660 I know that, you know, the timeline of this, I know that, you know, what is best for me. 257 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:27,320 So I'm just going to keep living my life and I'm going to do the best I can. 258 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,200 Like I would, I would exercise and I would try to do all the things I could to make my 259 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,440 body healthy. 260 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,440 And then I just said this, when there's something that lets, you know, proverbial, 261 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:41,680 proverbial, I can't talk crosses my desk that has to do with this, please let me know 262 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,760 because there are so many times when people who are well, I mean, you know, with your 263 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,800 kids and, and, um, the things that you go through, there are so many people that things 264 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,100 have worked for them and they want to work for you as well. 265 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:54,000 So they say, try this, what about this? 266 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,200 What about that? 267 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,760 And that's not against anyone else. 268 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,880 It's just saying the Lord knows me best. 269 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:05,960 So I would been able to, um, synthesize all the information coming at you. 270 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:06,960 Yes. 271 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,960 Okay. 272 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Am I putting words into your mouth? 273 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,260 If I say this is like the inklings, this is the beginning of the, of the faith journal 274 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:15,680 that you started probably was there. 275 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,640 There's a piece of that, that it's like, you've done these little things all along 276 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,880 your path and none of them have quite worked, but then you list it out and you say somewhere 277 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,320 the answer is in here, some combination of these particular treatments. 278 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,320 Yes. 279 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,000 And then five years later, something would happen. 280 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,960 It would be like, my mom would just say, Hey, I came across this. 281 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:31,960 I'm like, that's it. 282 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:32,960 She's like, why did you jump on it so quickly? 283 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,240 I said, cause I knew. 284 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,880 And then five years down the road, this is it. 285 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,240 And so many times I was like, why didn't I find this 10 years ago? 286 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,760 Why didn't I know about this 20 years ago? 287 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,460 And I just feel like the cold hard facts are, is that's part of the refiner's fire. 288 00:14:46,460 --> 00:14:52,000 And he knows, he knows at what point I am and when things will work and when they won't 289 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 work. 290 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,600 I don't want to put thoughts into Alexis reporter's mouth, but I was just thinking 291 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,240 on her lifetime of praying for her father to be a member of the church and thinking, 292 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,520 if you open that prayer and like every day that her dad didn't join the church while 293 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,760 he was in this mortal state, if she had that prayer that he would be so, what do you think 294 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,080 that made the interactions with him look like? 295 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Much softer, right? 296 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Like much more tender, like not saying the wrong thing. 297 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Like why don't you just open your eyes and look at this thing? 298 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Rather, she probably lived her life in a way that just mirrored like the life that she 299 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,960 was experiencing because of the covenant she'd made. 300 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,800 And I just, I can only imagine just good things, just good soft things. 301 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,800 Yes. 302 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,680 Meaning that her dad still had to be introduced to the gospel on the other side of the veil 303 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,480 and still had to accept it for himself or not, for her to feel that confirming witness, 304 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,780 you know, through the temple experience that they had that he had accepted it. 305 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:48,420 And I'm only sharing this because I have absolutely felt names I've taken to the temple acknowledged 306 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:52,000 to me that they were willing and ready and waiting to have that experience. 307 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,200 I don't know their backstory. 308 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,560 I didn't interact with them in life. 309 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 I couldn't have said the wrong thing to them because they were hundreds of years before 310 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,160 me. 311 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,400 But I'm saying this is a special thing to think about. 312 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,920 When a prayer doesn't look like it's being answered, maybe the answer in the prayer was 313 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:11,320 that you were able to show that person like the love that heavenly father would have shown 314 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,720 them so that it seemed like it was awfully easy for him to accept it with whatever barriers 315 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,400 that he had in this moral existence. 316 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,720 It was like short order, like after he passed it, it was like, oh, yep. 317 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,720 And he accepted. 318 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,720 So interesting. 319 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,800 And then in these covenants and just more in the immediate, like you were saying with 320 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,820 a health challenge that we're facing, that article that came out was like new and cutting 321 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:33,440 edge that your mom shared with you. 322 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,120 But that information didn't exist. 323 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,680 Somebody hadn't put that in trial and test. 324 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,120 And so because you had this part to be like, I don't want this fibromyalgia to affect 325 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,360 my life and like control my life and rule my life. 326 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,360 And I don't want to just cover the pain with opioids. 327 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,280 You were opening the windows of heaven to say, in this trial, I'm inviting you into 328 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,280 this heavenly father. 329 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,560 And when you can share with me the things that will help me in this trial, send them 330 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,560 my way. 331 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,840 So you're what that did, opening your prayer in that way, even though it says some, it 332 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,380 might look like your prayer is not being answered. 333 00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:05,480 What it did is it opened you to that revelation that in the time that it was shared with you, 334 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,800 you grabbed onto it. 335 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:14,840 And I've seen you suggest to people, like sometimes we've tried something. 336 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,680 I'm not trying to put like any name of a trial in your life. 337 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,240 This is just like a skill to develop. 338 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,840 You're experiencing a challenge and this is where you would put down the things that you 339 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,720 know, not like the faith journal, but just like, let's take it back to health. 340 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,800 That's an easier one to go over. 341 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,040 So for your fibromyalgia, you tried A, B, C, and D, and E, and F, and G, and H, all 342 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,800 the way through the alphabet. 343 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,960 And that somebody would say, oh, you should try this. 344 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,200 And you would look at your list and be like, I've totally already tried that. 345 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,560 There's something to listing the options and heavenly father knowing what you're willing 346 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,520 to do to overcome this thing. 347 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,240 And a prayer that you've suggested people make is, is there a combination of these things 348 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,440 that I haven't tapped into before? 349 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,960 So that's an easy way to look at it, like on a health thing that might say, oh, if I 350 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:07,600 pair A with D and Z, then that combination of things is totally different. 351 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:15,240 It may be a diet change and it may be, I don't know, like I don't even know what led you 352 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,240 to the health. 353 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,360 Yeah, the health you have, but it doesn't matter like anybody else that's going through 354 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:20,360 that particular trial. 355 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:25,240 It's not going to be like, oh, I have this problem and A, D, and D fixed me. 356 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,620 It doesn't matter. 357 00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:30,000 What matters is that you invited the Lord into that process and then you considered 358 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,740 the things that you had done or were willing to do to get past that. 359 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:39,640 And then just thinking about, that's easier to talk about a health trial, right? 360 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,620 Rather than like a faith crisis, a faith trial or whatever. 361 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:44,480 But the same process can apply to that. 362 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Totally. 363 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,480 And that's where the faith journal comes in. 364 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,480 The principle. 365 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,480 Yeah. 366 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,120 That you're like, I'm struggling with this thing, but these are the things that I know 367 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:51,120 are true. 368 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:54,800 Help me identify which piece on the things that I know to be true will help me reconcile 369 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,140 this thing for me. 370 00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:57,140 And then you'll settle that. 371 00:18:57,140 --> 00:19:01,560 It'll be a combination of a few things you have a testimony of to enlighten and enlarge 372 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,000 your testimony of this new thing. 373 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,880 And anyway, I thought there was so much to be learned from those three- 374 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,880 They're so good, Abby. 375 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,880 ... scripture stories. 376 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:15,080 And hopefully, one of those will come to mind, like particularly if you are in the middle 377 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,120 of a trial right now that you're thinking that you're not getting answers to questions. 378 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:21,720 Maybe you can find yourself in one of those stories and then apply what you've learned 379 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,440 as you've studied those. 380 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,440 Something just came to mind. 381 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,920 It's really interesting. 382 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:32,440 So back again, when I was going through cancer, a member of our congregation came to our house 383 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,640 and he said, you know, I just can't shake this feeling. 384 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,840 He said, I really feel like, and he's one of our friends, like we loved him. 385 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,320 He's wonderful. 386 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,240 He said, I've done this before. 387 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,720 I have a certain gift and he said, I just feel like I need to come and pronounce a gift 388 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,040 of healing on you. 389 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,040 So we were like, okay. 390 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,240 You know, he said, I feel really weird saying it, like just the whole thing. 391 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,520 And I was like, you know what? 392 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,400 I just love that you got an impression that you have a particular gift and that you're 393 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,400 willing to share it. 394 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,400 You know what? 395 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,400 We're just going to go with that. 396 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,400 Right. 397 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,640 So I received the blessing and it would have been awesome if I would have like stood up 398 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,880 from there and a hundred percent would have been great. 399 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,880 Right. 400 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,880 He pronounced the blessing of healing. 401 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,880 Then I think it was another month later, Garrett had the thought to pronounce like immediate 402 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,880 healing on me. 403 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,400 And I thought I would stand up and walk as well. 404 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Didn't happen. 405 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,760 And I just, I didn't lose hope in any way, but it just felt very much like this was kind 406 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,520 of like, I don't know, maybe someone following a prompting and acting on that right then 407 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440 and using all the faith that they had. 408 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,440 Right. 409 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,580 And I accepted all of that. 410 00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:34,960 It just felt like it was more gradual than that. 411 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,320 That's the feeling that I kept getting because I was waiting for it to be immediate. 412 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Like why not? 413 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,720 It happens in the scriptures. 414 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Right. 415 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,360 So then a little while down the road, I was contemplating on this and I was reading the 416 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:48,360 DNC. 417 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:53,540 Don't remember where it is right now, but it talks about that spiritual matter is finer 418 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:54,960 than physical. 419 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,560 And so you were like spiritually healed before your physical body could catch up with. 420 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:04,920 It was done spiritually, but my body needed to, it is very dense and things like, you 421 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,440 know, like healing work through it at a slower, slower, slower rate. 422 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,080 I wish it was a lot faster than it was, but I was spiritually healed and I was just kind 423 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,400 of like when, when the earth was created, it was created spiritually and then it was 424 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,520 created physically. 425 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,560 So I loved that. 426 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,400 And I, cause at first I was like, heavenly father, why didn't that stuff work? 427 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,760 It's not that it didn't work. 428 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,280 It was a process. 429 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,120 I heard the word process through my cancer treatment so many times. 430 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,200 I almost wanted to throw up. 431 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,460 I was tired of the process, but at the end of it, when I looked back, that process was 432 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:37,080 exactly the refining process that I needed. 433 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,040 And I'm a different person because of it. 434 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,240 So looking back, I can say that like, I get the three times, I get the three times asking 435 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,680 or the 300 times asking for healing and it is incremental and all of it matters. 436 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,480 Would you agree with elder Whitney's quote? 437 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,880 No pain that we suffer, no trial that we experience is wasted. 438 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,120 It ministers to our education. 439 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:02,280 All that we patiently endure builds up our character, purifies our heart, expands our 440 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,980 souls and makes us more tender and charitable. 441 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:08,520 It is through sorrow and suffering, toil and tribulation that we gain the education that 442 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,360 we come here to acquire and which it will make us more like our heavenly parents. 443 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:14,360 Yes. 444 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:16,640 I found that quote during cancer and it was the top of my journal. 445 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,920 I could read it like every time I'd come back to it and just felt like it would almost 446 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,200 be a travesty if the healing had been so immediate because of I watched me reading that quote. 447 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,420 I watched your emotions and you processing some of those unique experiences that happened 448 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:36,640 over the course of many months, accumulating into at least a year of time. 449 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,640 It made you a different person. 450 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,320 I think you know that. 451 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,480 I think that that doesn't come as a surprise to you, but like if it had just been as quick 452 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,060 as you knew you were going to, you knew from the beginning, you are the one that identified 453 00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:48,060 the cancer in your situation. 454 00:22:48,060 --> 00:22:51,280 You're like, I'm pretty sure I've been told I've got cancer, but I'll be healed from it. 455 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:56,040 You already knew the end from the beginning, but to have these experiences with the blessings 456 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:01,120 that you had and to rely on him as you were getting the information you needed to get 457 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:05,800 the medical care and do the treatments that you needed to, what a refining process you 458 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,480 have definitely used to help other people and not that you've given them the answer 459 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,480 of like, oh, I had cancer and this is what I did in it, A, B, and C, and then you're 460 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,480 going to be fixed. 461 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,840 So not you don't, you don't put that on people. 462 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,880 You say, I do have some suggestions if you're open to them. 463 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,880 Yes, I'm open to them. 464 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,240 These are some things that I've done. 465 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760 You've, you've shared with me a few things that you've done for healing and I've taken 466 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,420 parts and pieces of them, put that into my arsenal of things that I'm willing to do. 467 00:23:28,420 --> 00:23:33,520 And then, you know, they've, then I've worked with the Lord to say like, is this, this is 468 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,520 going to work for me? 469 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,400 And he's like, yep, you can go that route or you're going to need to have the, you know, 470 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,360 loop the medical professionals in on this one. 471 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,360 And you did that same thing. 472 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:42,240 You had a combination of so many different things. 473 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,640 So anyway, that quote, I was like, that's, that sums up what Amy learned from her cancer 474 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,280 journey, for sure. 475 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:56,700 Also, no, nobody can doubt what our prophet gained in his experience with, with his own, 476 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:01,000 with his own pain and suffering. 477 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,100 When he fell, right? 478 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:03,100 He did fall. 479 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,100 And so then he was out. 480 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,320 We missed him for some time. 481 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,680 He didn't make it to conference and he'd been like, I mean, he's been such a healthy man 482 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,680 his entire life. 483 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,680 Right. 484 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,140 I don't think that he's ever been, he's never been able to view the atonement, like through 485 00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:18,160 the eyes of like somebody that is physically burdened. 486 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,160 True. 487 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,160 Right? 488 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,160 That's a whole different point of view. 489 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,000 He's like, you're going to be skiing until I physically tell you you're not allowed to 490 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000 ski. 491 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Not because you couldn't ski. 492 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,560 I can get you off the ski hill. 493 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,200 So he physically could do those things. 494 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,680 But this back injury was like such a unique opportunity for him from his own mouth. 495 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,800 He verbalized how he gained a deeper understanding of the atonement of the savior. 496 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:44,120 If anybody deserved an immediate blessing like Bartimaeus, wouldn't our prophet be the 497 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:47,400 one that would deserve if we're talking about deserving something? 498 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,080 There was so many lessons that he learned. 499 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,640 Like you can tell there was something that he's been talking about clear back to 2011, 500 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,640 something like this. 501 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,360 If we look at all things with eternal perspective, it will significantly lighten our load. 502 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:03,160 And I'm like, oh, that would have been in the Think Celestial talk that was just barely. 503 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,360 But in fact, as I studied into like where these thoughts come from, back to 2011, and 504 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:14,400 then so many leaders from that time have amplified and echoed that thought until it kind of 505 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,380 cumulated into this amazing talk from last conference titled Think Celestial. 506 00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:23,180 And it changed so many things, the way that I think about so many things. 507 00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:26,120 And it's funny because I'm like, it's not like it's the first time that he said it. 508 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:32,000 It was the first time that I was ready to really lock into the idea of looking at things, 509 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,120 like looking at a trial, looking at an experience that I'm experiencing my life and thinking 510 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:41,940 like, what's this doing for my growth and my readiness for that? 511 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:46,360 Not for when I get to the Celestial Kingdom, how to make it celestial now? 512 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,400 How can I refine this and make this for my good right in this moment? 513 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,400 So I thought that was amazing. 514 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,680 I think it would be a shame if we didn't touch on one example that Elder Taylor shared 515 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,920 in his talk, and it was Holly and Rick Porter. 516 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,000 I summed up, I will get too emotional if I think too long on this, but they lost their 517 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,400 12-year-old son, Trey, in a tragic fire. 518 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,960 And Holly attempted to save her son, but in the process, her hands and her feet were badly 519 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,960 burned. 520 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,560 So she was in a sacrament meeting testifying of the great peace and joy the Lord had poured 521 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,700 out upon their family and their anguish using words like miraculous, incredible, and amazing. 522 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:25,280 She says, my hands are not the hands that save. 523 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000 Those hands belong to the Savior. 524 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,040 Instead of looking at my scars as a reminder of what I was not able to do, I remember the 525 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,960 scars my Savior bears. 526 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,520 And what a powerful witness she is to the Prophet's promise that as we think celestial, 527 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:43,000 our trials and opposition are viewed in a totally different light. 528 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,680 So Elder Taylor had the opportunity to remark at the sacrament meeting, and he was like, 529 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,680 what could I say? 530 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,000 What words could I share? 531 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,160 And the thoughts came to him, use the Savior's words, which healeth the wounded soul, come 532 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,480 unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 533 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,240 I will also ease the burdens which are put upon your shoulders, that even you cannot 534 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,960 feel them upon your backs, even while you are in bondage, that ye may know of a surety 535 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960 that I, the Lord God, do visit my people in their afflictions. 536 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,400 I will not leave you comfortless. 537 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200 I will come to you. 538 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,800 And I just don't think we can say it better than how comforting is it to think those words 539 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,800 coming from our Savior. 540 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Danielle Pletka Truly, the words of the Savior, you're the 541 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,000 best way to put it. 542 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,860 Danielle Pletka Elder Christopherson says, I believe the challenge 543 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:29,600 of overcoming and growing from adversity appealed to us when God presented His plan of redemption 544 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,720 in the pre-mortal world. 545 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,800 I highlighted that because I was like, I had to have. 546 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,640 It resonates with me now just because as I think about people, examples in my life of 547 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,480 people that have definitely been faced with adversity and they choose to operate in this 548 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:51,080 fashion thinking celestially and totally utilizing the Lord and the Atonement in their lives 549 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,400 to weather that, they are different people. 550 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,840 They do testify Him just like every breath that they take, every time that they testify 551 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,520 of their experience and knowing that all of it's going to work out for the good, it strengthens 552 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,520 me. 553 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,840 And maybe it's because I do agree with Elder Christopherson that there's something about 554 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,520 overcoming challenges and the growth that we experience when we face adversity. 555 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:18,200 We must have been excited that the prospect of the people that we become, for all those 556 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,600 challenges that we would be faced with. 557 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:29,720 I'll say this talk touched on at least 10 of the talks that we've deep dived into. 558 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,680 And so I have no shortage of notes, but for the sake of time, I would just say maybe you 559 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,240 can approach this talk as you really listen to this talk, not just our words, but as you 560 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,880 go back through and listen, maybe stop and reflect on what truth that you have cumulatively 561 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,960 gained line upon line from this conference as you have made this decision to take another 562 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,280 deeper look at conference talks and see if you agree with us that this talk summarized 563 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,800 so many of those feelings that we've had as we've been going through. 564 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,640 I will say he kind of gave us some action items as we're considering these challenges 565 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,640 that we're going to face. 566 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,840 He suggests that we put Christ first, which ties back to episode 11, Christ at the center 567 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,960 of our lives. 568 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,600 He talks about an action item of saying brighter hopes come through envisioning our eternal 569 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,680 destiny, which nods back to episode 12, all things for our good. 570 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:27,000 And then a third action item, greater power comes from focusing on joy, which nods back 571 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,960 to episode 19, a higher joy. 572 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520 So I mean, I've got notes like this crazy all over the place. 573 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,680 I was just like, you nailed it. 574 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,800 You didn't know what everybody else was going to talk about. 575 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,720 And yours was kind of like the spark notes version of conference for me. 576 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,280 I was like, I love that. 577 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240 But I mean, I don't think it would have meant as much to me if we hadn't put the time and 578 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,480 effort into deep diving into each of those talks individually till it comes to this one 579 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,640 that you're just like, yep, you're amazing. 580 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,640 I agree. 581 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,640 It's like meeting an old friend. 582 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,640 You're like, I know this. 583 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,640 I remember this. 584 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,640 I know this truth. 585 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,600 It gave me a chance to be like, yes, that's resonating then and it's resonating now. 586 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Can I end with his testimony? 587 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Yes, please. 588 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,360 He said, with joyful reverence, I witness our Savior lives and his promises are sure, 589 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240 especially for you who are troubled and who are afflicted in any manner. 590 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,720 I testify that our Heavenly Father hears your tearful pleadings and will always respond 591 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080 in perfect wisdom. 592 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,800 May God grant unto you, as he has done for our family in times of great need, that your 593 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,600 burdens may be light, even swallowed up in the joy of Christ in the holy name of Jesus 594 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,600 Christ. 595 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,600 Amen. 596 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600 That reminds me though, I can't really say amen to this. 597 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,320 I do totally say amen to that, but I do have to remind, remember how he kind of did a deep 598 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,400 dive into the phrase swallowed up? 599 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Oh yes. 600 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,400 He must speak Spanish. 601 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,400 I don't know. 602 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,760 Anyway, that was the first one he said in Spanish, swallowed up translates to consumed. 603 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,660 In German, it's devoured and in Chinese, it's engulfed. 604 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:52,160 So in reality, he changed the title of his talk. 605 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,880 One theory is swallowed up in the joy of Christ, but with that beautiful layering of the meaning 606 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,040 that different words can come to us in different languages, it says this, when life's challenges 607 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,480 are most painful and overwhelming, I remember the Lord's promise that we should suffer no 608 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,240 manner of afflictions, save it be swallowed up, consumed, devoured and engulfed in the 609 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,680 joy of Jesus Christ. 610 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560 And then I should have ended with his awesome testimony about the Savior. 611 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,560 But we'll add our own. 612 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,560 Amen. 613 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,560 So good. 614 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,040 Thank you so much for tuning in and being with us. 615 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,880 We are quickly coming to an end on these conference talks. 616 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,080 We'll be done with them shortly, gearing up for another session. 617 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,160 And so that's just kind of on my mind, just thinking like how grateful that we have been 618 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880 for this opportunity to take a deep look. 619 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,880 Thank you for learning with us. 620 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,400 We're learning as we go and we're happy that you're here with us. 621 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,400 All right, guys, we'll catch you next time. 622 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Catch you next time. 623 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Thank you very much.