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Today we're going to talk about Be One with Christ and it's Elder Quentin L. Cook.
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So Abby, this talk was so great.
Just to jump in, he started with talking about his grandfather on his deathbed and he was
giving him a final testimony and some advice.
For me, the message was to avoid any sense of entitlement or privilege because of his
faithful ancestors, which by the way was an amazing pedigree, right?
Instead focus on the Savior and the atonement of our Savior.
It isn't who we were related to that saves us in the end, but instead the report we come
back to the Savior with on how well we kept the commandments while on earth.
I think that really summarizes this talk so well.
There was so much in it.
And again, it felt like an Elder Bednar talk.
There were so many references.
I spent a lot of time in the footnotes and like, what is that one line?
Where did that one line come from?
And it's a whole nother amazing talk, talk after talk and thought after thought.
So I spent a lot of days like dissecting this one and I think it would suggest this one
more than just listening to it.
I would get this one in print also so that you can reference those footnotes and see
the scriptures he pulled from the thoughts over a lifetime.
Because this is something he's super passionate about.
Like Elder Bednar would be on personal revelation, I would say.
I'm not saying this last talk.
I'm just saying like in general and he's clearly wants, he's really passionate about the Atonement
of Jesus Christ.
Absolutely.
And we see why as he goes through this talk.
So I'm sure you know who Heber C. Kimball is.
I've heard of him.
And then are you familiar with David Patton Kimball?
I've heard the name but I don't have specifics on him.
Let me know.
Because he was so concerned about not locking in on what our own pedigree is and that being
a prerequisite to having the Savior fully in our lives and being able to qualify for every
blessing.
He kind of brushed past that but one of his footnotes, it did link us to saints.
And I'm familiar with David Patton Kimball.
Martin's Cove that's in our little state.
And when you go to the Martin, when you go to the, what do they call it?
The Pioneer Trail?
I don't even know.
They call it Pioneer Trails or something.
Anyway, you go to Martin's Cove and you're actually in the Cove and you know that the
Martin Hancock Company was there.
They had reached the point of exhaustion.
They're freezing, they're starving.
They were waiting at that point.
They were waiting for the rescue wagons to come from Salt Lake.
But they knew that they needed to leave the Cove and get a little bit farther on the path
so that they could intercept each other in a little better location.
So 56 people died even in that safe haven of Martin's Cove.
It was blocking from the wind and stuff and it did save lives, but even in the conditions
they were having, like 56 people died.
So we're at the point of exhaustion, hunger, we're freezing to death.
There's just so many things can go wrong.
And so as they're moving along the trail, they have to come to the Sweetwater Crossing.
So passing through that cold water, that's going to be people's last, the last thing
that they do.
That's going to be the closest design that they're making because that's going to kill
a lot of people, but James E. Faust was the one that was talking about this experience
because like we know Elder Cook, he just mentioned that he has ancestors to be proud of, but
he didn't really spend time on this.
But what I wanted to say was, in Elder Faust's words, it said, it was an emotional experience
to see the Saltwater River crossing where most of the 500 members of the company were
carried across the icy river by three brave young men.
Later, all three of the boys died from the effects of the terrible strain and great exposure
of that crossing.
And President Brigham Young heard of this heroic act.
He wept like a child and later declared publicly, that act alone will ensure C. Alan Huntington,
George W. Grant, and David P. Kimball, and everlasting salvation in the celestial kingdom
of God, worlds without end.
And so that's like a special moment.
Like when you take kids to try to recreate the experience, sometimes they'll throw in
a Sweetwater Crossing just because it touches hearts.
Right, absolutely.
And to have that in your family pedigree is an amazing thing.
I didn't realize he was one from the Sweetwater Crossing.
I mean, we'll recognize the prophet, Heber C. Kimball, but what the story is, is that
David P. Kimball, so the son of Heber C. Kimball, he did die at age 44.
And so Crozier is the grandfather that he's meeting at the deathbed.
He's what, 86, 87, somewhere late 80s.
But as a three year old, he became fatherless because at 44, Crozier had, or I'm sorry,
David had succumbed to the effects of the Sweetwater Crossing.
So obviously, I'm sure he grew up his whole life and that was a story that was meant to
bring faith and good thoughts and be proud of his heritage.
But we know Elder Cook is an apostle of the Lord and many years of service before that.
So it's not because his great, great, great, or whatever, grandfather was a prophet.
It's because he understands the atonement and he's applied it in his own life and he's
used those faith-filled stories to propel his actions and to his own good deeds.
And so that's the focus of the talk.
So I just wanted to throw the family story in there just because I think it's special
and it gives you an idea of if he can set aside the fact that it doesn't require those
to get anything special or be any special standing.
It's something completely different than that to be one with Christ.
That's the message we're going to hope to share today as we talk through it.
So I already mentioned Elder Cook knows his heritage very well.
He comes from his own grandfather.
He served multiple missions.
He was a patriarch and his grandfather's stand like, oh, I hope that was enough to save me.
But the final words that he was impressing was that it's not good works alone that save
us.
It's Jesus Christ that makes that possible.
Because I'm thinking like, I'm sure that he was an amazing guy.
I'm sure that it shouldn't even be a question, but it's probably a good question to always
wonder if we're doing what we need to be to show Jesus Christ that we love him, we love
the gospel, and we love the direction that it's making our lives go in.
It's interesting too that you say that because I was thinking, I actually had the same thoughts
as I was listening and reading is that he had done so many amazing things.
He had used his agency in righteous ways and did a lot of things for the benefit of the
kingdom.
And so I love that he was like, but-
But was it enough?
Right.
And really, that's all great.
But it's all about that plus the merits to save of Jesus Christ.
He's the final word.
I love it.
I love that you mentioned that the atonement of Jesus Christ was something that he was,
like it was like my piece of my testimony, I told you like eternal families or whatever.
That was the little raise, raise, raise, and then the pillar of my testimony and his in
the way that he's speaking about it.
Things thoughts on the atonement of Jesus Christ were really important to him.
And this moment with his grandfather on his deathbed and somebody he very much idolized
and looked up to helped him solidify the testimony that he has of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
And so I love that.
So just the right combination of words and feelings there at the end, like took what
was already a deep love for the atonement and then just sealed it in his heart.
So what didn't you say for the savior as he's hanging on the cross at Calvary?
His last words would kind of be like his final testimony on his deathbed.
Right.
So in those words in the scriptures, John 17, verse 20, we get the intercessory prayer.
He says, neither prayer for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through
their word.
So I mean, that means you, that means me, that means that any of our listeners and people
throughout the world that believe in Jesus Christ, he's praying for us.
Let me believe in Jesus Christ.
If we believe in Jesus Christ, that any word that he speaks in that recording in John is
for us.
So his, let's say, deathbed counsel and directions for us is a plea to the father that we may
be as one.
And to quote the scripture, it says, and now father, are to me and I in thee, and they
may also be one with us.
I love that.
He continues, the glory which thou gavest me, I give them, I have given them that they
may be one even as we are one.
So this whole talk is going to focus on a oneness of, you know, the oneness that Christ,
Jesus Christ prayed for after his betrayal and crucifixion.
Oneness with Christ and our heavenly father can be obtained through the savior's atonement.
So he does reference Doctrine and Covenants 20 a lot because it really just lines out
ordinance principles, practices of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.
And I didn't deep dive study into it.
I was like so busy just with this talk, but it's definitely a side point.
I do want to go back and make Section 20 like in my heart, something that, but from the
talk he mentions savior atonement, plan of salvation and the ordinance of baptism and
sacrament are prevalent in there.
Yes.
So Amy, requirements for baptism, what comes to you off the top of your head?
Broken heart, contrite spirit, repenting of your sins and taking upon you the name of
Jesus.
And those come to you pretty easily because like you're kind of thinking through sacrament
prayer.
Right.
Yeah, but those ones are for sure.
So from the talk, those are included and then a humility before God and enduring to the
end and then showing that our works that we have received, showing through our works that
we have received the spirit of Christ.
So what in that list?
All of those things we could qualify, we could say that that's a group of spiritual things.
Totally.
And it's without pedigree.
All of them.
Right.
The qualifier is not who's in your family.
Where'd you come from?
Right.
How long have you been in?
I love that part.
I love that too.
So then I can see like as I get through the talk, I'm like, that's why he just briefly
mentions his pedigree.
Absolutely.
It's not what it was about.
I don't know if any of the folks have been that, but I'm like, I have to mention the
story because it touches me so much.
Right?
And we're human.
Like we like all of it.
Yeah.
So nowhere does it mention economic status, race, gender, or ethnicity requirements for
baptism.
All these qualifications are spiritual and an emphasis on the word all people are invited
to partake of the Lord's goodness.
Salvation comes as Jesus Christ justifies and sanctifies repentant souls because of
the Savior's grace.
So another one of his footnotes talked about how section 20 counters the Calvinist theory
that was prevalent at the time.
So they would say, you know, once you're predestined for salvation, nothing's going to change that.
Wow.
None of your deeds, no misdeed, no fallen soul is not going to be saved.
It was already deemed that they were going to be saved.
So you were locked in.
Locked in for good, but not like that wouldn't counterbalance.
Like if you did bad deeds, then it wouldn't.
I mean, that sounds pretty cushy.
Like you just get the word like, oh, you're saved.
And then you just think we'll just coast the rest of our life.
That's why I like that enduring to the end was definitely part of the baptismal covenants.
And that's what we do.
That's true.
We believe that.
Absolutely.
So the way that it countered the Calvinist theory was by saying that it says, section
20 says, we learned that there is a possibility that man may fall from grace and depart from
the living God.
So I already mentioned the endure to the end comes to my mind.
And I want to hear that it's not just like, okay, you hit the check marks and now you're
good.
Now you don't have to do anything else.
Right.
That's not part of eternal progression.
The progression is there.
That's definitely a good way to say it.
So what I like is I'm like prone to every day that I live, I'm prone to make a mistake
in that day.
And I was listening to something else completely unrelated to the atonement of Jesus Christ
on my way home from my house just a minute ago.
And it was talking about mindfulness and it's like, you might be saying a prayer, you might
be reading the scriptures and then you find that your mind's wandering.
Well, I was like, that's my ADD.
But apparently it is human nature and we're intended to wander.
What's great about mindfulness is that when we're trying to be mindful, we recognize that
we wandered and then we come back to it.
And so because I had this talk on my mind, I was like, not that we're looking for ways
to sin and to turn away from Jesus Christ.
It can be just minor things.
It can be big things, it can be minor things.
But the point is that when we do slip off of what our best intentions were and that
we feel that pang of like, oh, I didn't really mean to do it that way.
What am I thinking of in that moment?
The atonement.
And then what do I do?
Either-
Course correct.
I can continue on that path, but really I'm probably not going to get those impressions
that like, oh, this is something the atonement would cover it because you're recognizing
it.
But yes, that's what I'm saying is that it's a course correction.
And I'm like, okay, I could have done that better and that's why the atonement is so
amazing.
I agree.
This Earth life was a test and I'm not going to get it perfectly, but there's always like
a white out that I, you know, the Savior's white out that I can correct the things that
didn't quite go how I wanted.
That's a great thought.
I love that, Abby.
I think you'd be awesome to comment on this.
There was a piece in the talk that said, one cannot control many events in life, such as
health challenges and accidents.
However, on matters of principle conduct, religious observance and righteous living,
we are in control.
Our faith in and worship of God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ is a choice that
we make.
So I asked the question, you know, there's a lot of intellectual debates and arguments
happening over the idea of agency and free will.
But when you think of things like, you know, health things or accidents, that might come
to mind, what truths have you come to learn about agency in your lifetime?
Again, the words of my dad come that, you know, things that happen, accident, illness,
all of these things, they can make you bitter or better.
And I just think that again and again, I'm understanding that it's not about what happens
to us.
It's about our reaction to it.
I mean, he pretty much just said that as far as like, our agency doesn't come into play
on what happens to us.
It comes into play when we decide what to do with what happens to us.
So he referenced COVID overarching, the overarching idea of COVID.
Do you think that was a punishment, like God punishing the world and like, trying to thin
the population?
For me, it felt like a preparation, like a very gentle preparation and opening of the
eyes and just saying, pay attention, because this is what is going to become more of the
norm.
So we'll get used to this.
And for me, I definitely beefed up my, like a supply that I would have on hand for, you
know, hydrogen peroxide and just things like that, you know, all of those types of things.
But to me, it felt like a very gentle nudge and just be mindful.
This is a new way of living and it's not scary.
It's not, oh, shoot, what are we going to do now?
Are we going to backtrack?
It was, I felt like a preparation for what will come in maybe years and years.
I don't know.
But that's what I felt it was.
And you know, everyone has their own take on it.
But for me, it was very gentle and just a wake up call.
So the question I posed to the audience to take some time to think about it, what was
your reaction to COVID?
We're on the other side of it.
We're four years off.
If you've considered a punishment during the time, has something changed that's made you
reconsider that idea?
Because I'm totally with you, Amy.
Since that time, we've gotten chickens.
I've thought more about like where my meat is sourced.
We've grown a garden.
We've kept more toilet paper on hand.
Yeah.
I mean, I know these are dumb things, but just so grateful for like the way that the
church has made it so doable to have a home centered gospel discussions.
The materials are there.
We were able to perform church things in our homes.
Absolutely.
And really, like we had a year of preparation for that.
But really, we just, when, what other time would we be able to just really make our homes
these sacred places and be doing the gospel there 100%?
Oh, totally.
There was a whole different feeling in the home.
I was excited to get back to church, but I am so grateful for the time that we had to
experiment with that.
Yeah.
I'm an introvert, so I wasn't excited.
I loved every bit of it.
I know, but think about the comments you make in Sunday school.
I wouldn't benefit from those if-
I was going to say, like I did come back, right?
There is something about gathering with saints and drawing strength.
And I absolutely love that.
So that over, that superseded any feelings I had about not wanting to go.
Right.
So, it's COVID and then like health issues.
Just chatting with a friend, just had an exchange earlier today and she has a sister that's
battling cancer and she's like running away from God in this way.
And I thought, man, just because this talk is totally on my mind, it's the same thing.
I'm just reiterating what you already said.
It's like, you can look at cancer, you could say, oh, God punishing me with cancer.
And now I'm angry at him, I'm going to turn away from him.
It's not like, that can be a very valid emotion that you're feeling, but I hope for you that
that passes quickly and that you realize these bodies are just prone to decay and cancer
is one of those possibilities.
But I've watched cancer refine you.
Oh yeah.
It watched it refine you.
It saved my life.
In a different way, huh?
It did.
While you were fighting for your life, you really gained your life.
Yes, because it stripped away everything that who I was.
I was a mom.
Who you thought you were?
The labels.
I was a wife.
I was a friend.
These were good things.
They were great things, but I wasn't any of them at that time.
I was just Amy.
And that was the first time in my life I was ever just Amy.
And was that enough?
And was, you know what I mean?
And so through that, yeah, I feel like the Lord strengthened me in all the ways I turned
to him and he gave me a mirror and just kind of said, you can do this and you are strong
enough and good enough and all those things.
So who knew that would ever come out of it?
And then you get to put those pieces back on.
You get to reassemble yourself.
But who did that with you?
The Lord.
Yep.
So your relationship with him completely changed in the process of that.
And you would never go back on cancer.
I would never.
I know.
Isn't that crazy to verbalize that?
Absolutely.
I've had that moment.
It is crazy.
I wouldn't give that trial back.
So I'm hoping that we're reaching the ears of a listener that's maybe in the middle of
their trial and that they're angry about something.
It's so hard.
And from this comfortable chair and not going through your trial that we're saying to you,
hold on, pick something to be hopeful in and pick Jesus Christ to be hopeful in because
what's going on in your life right now is no way a punishment for you.
It's an opportunity to learn for you to become more like Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father
so that we can comfortably abide in their presence one day again.
Oh, absolutely.
You know, when you were saying that, Abby, it reminded me of something.
I received a blessing while I was going through cancer.
And I just love this validation that I got from the Lord because it said, Heavenly Father
knows you have every reason to be angry.
Oh, I love that.
But you haven't chosen that.
It hasn't even occurred to you because that's not your nature.
I loved that part.
But you sharing that lets our listeners that are angry.
There's nothing wrong with being angry.
You have every right.
You've taught me all emotions are good.
Absolutely.
The ones that you let sit and fester and that you don't do anything with, that's when it
becomes Satan's tool.
Totally.
Absolutely, you should feel scared and angry and let those be countered with the things
that the Savior can offer when we're one with him.
Counter fear with faith and anger with like, what's the opportunity here?
After you felt it and it moves through you.
This is so easy to say because neither of us are dealing with that right now.
I'm not in bed right now.
I'm walking.
I'm driving.
Yeah.
Yes.
And walking on two feet.
And so we totally understand it sounds like, well, you're not going through what I'm going
through.
That's absolutely true.
But because of covenants that we made and being willing to suffer with those that suffer
more with those that mourn, our baptismal covenants and trying to be one with Jesus
Christ, I guess it's our opportunity to say like, we have had our own things.
We have had our own trials.
We're on the backside of those ones.
We're looking forward to some more because we do know the growth that comes from them.
I know, right?
But it's a good idea.
It's kind of like the wise and foolish versions.
The wise versions, they fill their lamps.
That's the immediate things we do, but then they also fill their vessels, which is the
reserve that you can hang on to.
You put some of these ideas in reserve so that you don't immediately think you're being
punished when something bad happens in your life.
It's a good way to put it.
I like that.
Okay.
It feels kind of jumpy, but this talk was so intense.
There was so much in it.
I just found a question, what blessing have you seen in your own life or you've observed
in others when you put family first?
That's a great question.
I mean, in the scriptures or my own life?
It can be any of the above.
If it's in the scriptures, it's something you're observing, some lesson that you've
learned.
So, I'm just thinking like when Lehi went into the wilderness, he took nothing save
it were his family.
Good answer.
I love that.
You know what I mean?
He just held onto that and moved on.
I've sort of felt that way in some ways when we've felt the need to move.
I was even happy where I was in all the different streets.
You like all the things around you and your comfort level.
I was just grateful and happy and it was time to move.
I took my family and I moved.
We have been blessed for that in different ways that I didn't see coming.
It was a blessing, but it was hard in the time that it happened.
But the family unit becomes strengthened because that's what you knew before.
Oh my gosh.
That was the one piece of continuity like from where you left to where you're coming
to and as you're in a new area.
My kids are friends.
My kids hang out.
My kids say, hey, we're going to go grab treats and watch a movie and they just do it on their
own and it is the most beautiful thing to see.
Sometimes I'm sad they don't have friends because I would love that.
However, I'm choosing to focus on the blessing that yes, putting family first.
Family is the one you're going to have forever.
That's perfect.
Today's world, it's easy to focus on material and occupational success.
Some lose sight of the eternal principles and choices that have actual eternal significance,
but the prophets always count.
He's counsel us and it's just going to come up a lot to think celestial.
And so, I mean, it kind of feels like I'm jumping in this conversation, but I'm like,
that's something to really consider.
Where's your family priority in this?
Are they seeing you strive to think celestially?
Are they seeing you put Jesus Christ first in your life?
And what effect is that having on your family?
Yeah.
Just as I read that piece of the talk, I thought of two of my sisters.
Their husbands were both in medical school at different times.
And I know some of their colleagues, they maybe had a life partner or partner, but they
had no intention of getting married until medical school was locked away or maybe a
handful of them were married, but they had no intention of starting families.
It's a lot to do at once.
Yeah.
Cassie started her family pretty immediately while they were still in their bachelor degree
work.
And then with almost a short year later, she added another one.
What a blessing because since she's had some issues and being able to have a baby and she's
gone to heroics to bring more children to the earth.
But I think what if they'd followed the more wise counsel to, because you're like barely
can afford groceries for medical school, like it's a very hard time.
And if she had postponed till it was convenient rather than just going for the family, we
wouldn't have our two special guys here with us.
And then my youngest sister also, they did the medical school thing and married right
after David's mission and a son soon after and our little, he has hypoplastic left heart
syndrome.
So he's been a blessing and a challenge like right from the beginning and again, where
they were doing their prerequisite work was so close to the University of Utah where there's
amazing healthcare for open heart surgery stuff.
Thanks in part to President Nelson.
And then their next placement was in California and like literally the next surgery that all
they needed, it's kind of like a phased approach to the surgeries.
It was where like that surgery was perfected.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah.
I mean, and since like now David's a doctor and he's like, oh, we should have done this
thing to treat his heart.
But I'm like, no, you can only work with the information that you have.
And I see the blessings from the outside.
I think they made the right decisions for him.
And you know, what I'm saying is it would have been easier to not be dealing with that.
But now we're 10 years on the other side of those hard things.
And I definitely see the unity in their family and the growth and the strength and the way
that it kind of charted the course in their life.
So you could put things off, but it's or you could blame God and be like, oh, he doesn't
love us because we've got these children with challenges.
But it's just that's not how that's not how our loving Heavenly Father thinks.
There's a very different picture when you're like always thinking that like the things
that happen in your life are as a way to punish you.
Right?
Like it's not the vision that I have.
It's a loving Heavenly Father.
And he has to let some things happen in your life just by virtue of that's what the earth
that's what we were presented.
I think we fully well knew that there were going to be challenges as we were coming.
Maybe not exactly know exactly how that was going to look.
But it's like I need to learn patience.
And he's like, okay, you're going to get this child or I need to learn humility and you're
going to have, you know, this thing that you're going to have to overcome.
Right.
And it's always I see all these things presented to me as an opportunity.
I can take it or I can leave it same, you know, if I want to be progressing more than
I'm going to, you know, run full, full strength ahead if I don't have time for that right
then or the enough emotional reserve, I might let it be for a minute.
We're not going to take the we're not going to accept the challenge to learn that lesson
in that moment.
We're just see it as it's not a failure.
Don't worry, he'll recycle.
He'll bring you back that opportunity.
Absolutely.
Well, so it was cute.
He referenced a poem he learned from his mission by Ella Wheeler Wilcox.
There is no chance, no destiny, no fate can circumvent or hinder or control the firm resolve
of a determined soul.
And again, the idea of life events happening that we obviously have no control over or
health matters that we have no control over.
But what matters is the way that we conduct ourselves in those trials, how we observe
our religion or how we live our lives.
We have total control of what we choose to do with the detours that kind of happen.
We don't even have to call them detours.
They're kind of exactly what was meant to be on the path.
It's just how do we navigate that little bumpier terrain?
Just a brief mention, he talked about how he really wanted to say, we're so similar.
We're children of God and we are so like him.
But in this world, they'll take small differences and magnify them.
I loved that part.
It was so true because they are small things.
But if you have an adversarial spirit around you, it just tends to magnify it.
You know what I mean?
And it's not to say that they're not there, but they're small.
And what really is the bigger thing is that we are all so similar and we can be one in
Christ.
It's totally true.
He makes us really think, once we have the idea in our own heart and we've drawn close
to Jesus Christ and we know that we're working towards becoming one with him and we allow
the atonement to affect our lives, then we look and say, what can we do in the bigger
picture in our wards, in our communities, this worldwide church, we're all signing up
for that same baptismal covenant.
Some of us sign up for the same temple covenant and it unifies us in a different way.
We become part of this one family.
And so the things that somebody's doing in Africa is they're joining the church and they
become part of this gathering of Israel.
Aren't we all brothers and sisters?
I mean, we are in a different way anyway, but I'm just seeing his vision of this oneness
is like he's trying to bring the family together at the table and say, we're really way more
similar than we are different.
I love that, Abby.
That's a good visual right there.
Should I wrap it up?
I feel like come to the table.
Yeah, come, come.
This is the prophet, he quoted the prophet in his kind of final part of his talk and
it said, the prophet has given us the admonition to gather Israel on both sides of the veil.
On every continent and across the Isles of the sea, faithful people are being gathered
to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Differences in culture, language, gender, race and nationality fade into insignificance
as the faithful enter the covenant path and come into our beloved Redeemer.
What a great rally call.
It is a good rally call.
Maybe think of what you can do to be part of that.
Become one with Christ yourself.
Is there a little change that you can make in your daily life to just feel that closeness
with him?
And then once you have filled that in yourself, what can you do to bring others?
Love that.
And maybe it's not even a change, Abby.
Maybe it's just taking a quick moment to visualize yourself and see where you fit in and just
be mindful of that.
We'll catch you next time.
Have a good one.