1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,360 Hey guys, welcome to Closer to Christ through Conference. We're two friends who love Jesus 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,640 and His gospel, share our own approach to General Conference. Today we get to discuss 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,400 all things for our good, the talk that's been done by Elder Garrett W. Gong of the Quorum 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,880 of the Twelve Apostles, and I'm excited to dig into this one. Let's pretend like we're 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,020 playing really study. I've given you a chance to look over the talk. There were lots of 6 00:00:29,020 --> 00:00:32,880 good things, and then I'm going to hit you with the question. Okay. Okay, we'll preface 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,200 it with saying, Prophet Joseph Smith has been incarcerated in Liberty Jail, and it was a 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,040 miserable experience. Have you ever been to Liberty Jail? I have. I mean, the replica, 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,640 but yeah, it was dark and dainty and like people were coming by to spectate and the 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:56,280 worst of conditions and the vilest of prison guards and he's there. We can picture this. 11 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,840 And then here are these words, these things shall give the experience and shall be for 12 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:05,400 thy good. Lived with faith, trials and sacrifices we would never choose can bless us in ways 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,520 that we would never have imagined. Can you hear the question there? What I want to ask 14 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:16,640 you is, where have you seen something work for your good that you otherwise wouldn't 15 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,680 have wanted that particular thing, but at the end of it or even in the middle of it, 16 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:29,520 you recognize that there was no other way to capture that growth. Right. It's funny 17 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,360 too that you say in the end of or in the middle of it, I think mine's always the end of. I 18 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,800 don't think there have been very many times where in the middle of it, I'm like, you know 19 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,660 what? And then even add one or two years sometimes. Right. Right. Whenever you stop to reflect 20 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:50,440 back on it. That's it. And look for the good pieces. Cause you could certainly write a 21 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:57,120 whole journal log on like this, the bad. Absolutely. Um, and I, again, I feel like we've said this 22 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,480 over and over now is that the gift is in the reflection, right? That's where the growth 23 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,980 comes. It's not necessarily in the things that are happening because you can have an 24 00:02:05,980 --> 00:02:09,360 experience and it can go either way. You can get, like my dad has said before, you can 25 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,800 get bitter or better after a trial. That's such a good, better or better. I know he's 26 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,760 so cute. And you're thinking of that awesome dude that sings, you can be better. I'm not 27 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,480 going to sing, but yeah, there's a song. So when I'm thinking of specific things that 28 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,360 have happened over my life and there have been a bunch of them, um, we did talk about 29 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:36,600 in our last, um, podcast about my cancer treatments, how I really did with every single, and I'm 30 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:43,120 talking even the minute things that I did. I asked heavenly father to consecrate them, 31 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,160 like to touch them, consecrate them, make them for my good. And the harder and more 32 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,120 kind of demeaning it felt. Sometimes I didn't even feel like a person. I was picked and 33 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,000 prodded and I felt more like a cow than anything sometimes at, or like an animal. And I would 34 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,000 just in that moment would ask him to, to consecrate it for my good. Let's backtrack. Um, just 35 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,720 in case like people listen to these podcasts in whatever random order, um, is this true 36 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:15,080 that the idea of this came from neighbor Judy from the box. So maybe kind of pick up from 37 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,600 there. So we kept that. So, um, diagnosed with cancer, my fantastic neighbor, Judy, 38 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:25,720 who is on the other side of the veil now brought me a book and it was, um, love. I think it 39 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,880 was love, love medicine and miracles written by a doctor who was an oncologist and, um, 40 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,600 an oncology surgeon. And he just had this whole program program. You could say he looked 41 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,680 at a bunch of different patients and he essentially saw that the people who had an outlook and 42 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:48,780 saw every treatment that they were given as healing rather than as poison were the ones 43 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:53,820 who fared much better. And so like even down to the window that was like, if they had a 44 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:57,920 room that had a window where they could look outside and see sky rather than being in an 45 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:03,120 inside room where all the heads look like prisons, you know, yeah. And down to the music 46 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,840 that he played Liberty jail. Exactly. Kind of remind me of president Nelson when he talks 47 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,160 about his, um, operating room, very similar to that in that, like he would not allow them 48 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:19,640 to just talk about the weekend or about their plans or sports or anything. It was very much 49 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:27,540 focused, directed, and very deliberate. So he taught all of his patients who were interested, 50 00:04:27,540 --> 00:04:30,520 you know, they weren't interested. He didn't do it, but he had this kind of like support 51 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,920 group where they all got together and he taught them how to be what he called, um, what was 52 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,200 exceptional patients. So I was like, sweet, I'm going to be an exceptional patient. So 53 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,300 I just took that. Now my treatment didn't look like anyone else's. And I think that's 54 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:48,560 part of how cancer is. I feel like no one's treatment looks the same. You know, you do 55 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:54,440 different things for your own situation, for your own everything. So it looks different. 56 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,680 I did all these different things that I hadn't even heard people do before, but again, every 57 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,760 single one of them, I asked the Lord to consecrate that. So I saw that as my healing. Like I 58 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:09,280 would imagine each treatment I did as like sunshine coming down from heaven and going 59 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:10,280 into all my cells. 60 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:15,520 I've seen it a few different ways with cancer. Like if somebody gets a pretty bad diagnosis 61 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,440 and they're, they're given these like artificial timelines, like you've got two months to live 62 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,680 and they let that be the message that resonates. They, they'll die like four weeks later. Whereas, 63 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,080 you know, another person might get that information and they'll say, we'll live with what time 64 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:35,480 we have left. And then the two months turns into like a nice year of good, positive or 65 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,080 longer. I'm not like trying to put a timeline on somebody's life, but I've seen the power 66 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:48,360 in, I've seen the power in being a good patient. Yeah. Even if what you're going through is 67 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,400 not easy, if you have the resolve that you'll try to live. Absolutely. It needs to make 68 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,400 a difference. 69 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,880 Also with mine, you know, I will say this because absolutely with every, with any sickness 70 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:05,120 anyone has with any trial, it also needs like the ultimate healing timeline is always up 71 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,700 to the Lord. You know what I mean? And so when I actually, it was the spirit that set 72 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:16,840 in my mind, Amy, you have cancer in your foot and you'll be healed. And I was kind of, I 73 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,480 was putting my shoe on one day and it's kind of like saw this one spot, tiny little spot 74 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,640 on my foot. And I was like, that's weird. And, but this is the thing. If you, if I heard 75 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:34,560 this information from any other source, I would be struck with anxiety or fear or worry. 76 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,680 And it was just as peaceful as it could be. Just like laying out the facts, like, Oh, 77 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,800 I have cancer and I'm going to be healed. Excuse me. And I literally called my doctor 78 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,920 made an appointment and they even looked at it. And a few times they're like, no, you 79 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,080 look fine. I'm like, can we just biopsy it? It really looks good. You said you've had 80 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,680 that spot since you were a kid. I'm like, I have. And I said, can we just biopsy? You 81 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,600 know, you're really good. The third time I was like, let's just do it. I would just feel 82 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,920 better if I did. And boom, boom, boom, you know, it's melanoma. So it was needed. But 83 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:12,720 my whole point is I could live with, I feel like a lot more faith and be a lot more bold 84 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:19,120 because I had absolute knowledge that I was going to heal and that I would be healed by 85 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,280 the end of it. So I do understand that some people's journey is not to be healed in this 86 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,440 lifetime. So it might look different, but I knew I was going to be. So I took every, 87 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,680 like, I claimed that blessing, grabbed that and ran with it and just held onto that the 88 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,400 entire time. That's a lot more certain blessing than to hear and everything will be okay. 89 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:42,640 It's true. We know what everything will be okay really means. Absolutely. Question mark. 90 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,800 So I'm really glad that you mentioned that about the cancer treatments, because it's 91 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,520 likely that a lot of our audience will have had an experience with family member or the 92 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:57,480 MSL or go through or will. And so to have that in your arsenal as you prepare for that, 93 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,320 you can decide, and it doesn't even have to be cancer. Like you said, it could be such 94 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,520 such a spectrum of different ailments that come to these, you know, bodies that are prone 95 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:14,720 to decay. So that was a good bit of information. Anything else less depressing than cancer? 96 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:21,000 For sure. So I've talked before about our farm animals and you know, just with the number 97 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:29,120 of farm animals we have now about 40, the instance of having, you know, injury or something 98 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,120 happen goes up dramatically. There's always something that happens. Literally, Gar and 99 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:39,640 I were in bed about to fall asleep at like 1135 Sunday night. We get a call from the 100 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,480 cops. Your dogs are running down the highway there so and so. And that happens all the 101 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,480 time to us. Like the week before I was making dinner and had to drop everything and go. 102 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:55,120 And so sometimes like if I if I get in the weeds of things, Abby, I'm just like, are 103 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,600 we even making a difference here? Like what is this all for? But I really do still believe 104 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,680 I have to go back from the very beginning when we had the piece about the farm animals 105 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:11,760 and we had what Gar and I both got was the feeling of it will be a blessing to your family. 106 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,760 And we've mentioned, I know that you've mentioned it in another podcast, but on the off chance 107 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,520 that somebody didn't catch that, what's the blessing that you noticed? 108 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,120 The biggest one is that yeah, Adam now has confidence and wants to be a vet. Is that 109 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,560 what you're saying? Or you talk? Yeah, yeah. Like we talked about the responsibility and 110 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:31,100 the responsibility that your children were gaining from the experience. So regardless 111 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:35,200 of he really was going to be a vet. Exactly. I saw that. I've seen that with my own eyes. 112 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,120 The maturity, the level of maturity, the responsibility they've taken on with the animals is definitely 113 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:46,080 noticeable. But then to know like life career possible as a possible option. Yeah, that's 114 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,520 super. That's that's a great blessing that you've recognized from that. And I'll say 115 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,960 a blessing for me is I just pulled into Amy's to do this recording and there were six like 116 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,520 goats. How big were they like? Tiny babies. And they're just hopping along there on the 117 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,520 outside of the fence from where their mom is. So I called her because I could like block 118 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,120 with my car, like if I were, I'm like, are these cute little things supposed to be out? 119 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Like, yep, they they know what they're doing. So they go out, they eat, they come back and 120 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,120 be with mama. It's hilarious. It's the cutest thing. Like I like a stuffed animal size. 121 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,640 Yes. Like I might take one. There might just be five when you get back out there. So you 122 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,400 only have 39. 39. So this is the other thing. Literally, you know, one of my love languages 123 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:29,640 is I love decorating for the holidays. I love setting a table for family. That's something 124 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,200 that brings me a lot of joy. I just love it. And I was doing that. I was so happy as listening 125 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,720 to music and it was Memorial Day. Literally, right as I put the potatoes in, oh no, it 126 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:45,800 was the corn boiling the corn, the cob. I get a call and Bailey's like, my daughter, 127 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:51,120 um, mom, I think Charles, our baby lamb is dead. And I was like, oh gosh, will you please 128 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:58,080 FaceTime me? My heart sinks and um, I see on there and he's not moving. He's got blood 129 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,800 all over his haunches and everything. And anyways, it all ended up like that. That day I just 130 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,840 felt so defeated. He had a real injury and we, you know, had to treat it and do all that 131 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:14,820 stuff, come inside and um, wash myself up and everything. And then we had our dinner, 132 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:18,440 you know, we were, and I was kind of able to switch shift gears, you know, but that 133 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,880 night I just said to Garrett, all right, we've had two weeks of almost constant things that 134 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,360 have happened with these baby lambs or the animals getting out or a baby falling into 135 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,800 the, into the pond. That day we did the last recording and I was like, I just feel defeated 136 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,440 today. Like I don't have anything else in me. I just have to feel this feeling. So what 137 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,800 I told him is I said, okay, I'm just going to feel defeat in my body. Just, you know, 138 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,440 feel it through. And then I said, and then I'm going to have, I'm going to ask you for 139 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,520 a priesthood blessing. I'm going to go to sleep and we're going to see what tomorrow 140 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,040 brings. And I really did feel much better the next day. Kind of worked through that. 141 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:59,200 But again, came back to step one, actually in the blessing that I got, I was so happy. 142 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Um, and it just said that heavenly father was just grateful for me as a daughter who 143 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,080 when I'm given a new task, I just jump right in and try to figure it out. I'm like, yeah, 144 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,280 I do do that. I try to figure it out. I'm not saying I figured anything out, but I try. 145 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,880 I give an effort and I, you know, go a hundred miles in that direction, meaning like I don't 146 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:24,000 hold back a hundred percent in that direction. So again, you could take all of these things 147 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,040 as just anecdotal or by themselves and say, like my son did the other night, mom, you 148 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:35,200 wasted your money on that fence. Mom, like, why are you doing this? Cause he's very logical. 149 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,800 And I just have to keep thinking all of these things are working together for our good. 150 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,720 I truly believe that in my core. And so that's what keeps me going. 151 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,080 It grounds you and it, every time, every time that you guys make a new decision to bring 152 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,760 another animal on, I don't really feel like you know what the out and outcome is or what 153 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,600 I agree purpose is, but you're creating something here that seems pretty special. 154 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:04,360 I agree with you. That's how it feels. I don't know why I just know that it's something that 155 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,360 is good. 156 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:11,160 Switch gears. Okay. There was a piece in the talk and it said this within our stakes and 157 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,520 wards, many faithful families and individuals confront difficult challenges, even while 158 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:21,600 knowing that without yet knowing how things will work together for our good. When trials 159 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,180 come often, what we most want is for someone to listen and be with us in the moment. Cliche 160 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:32,080 answers may be unhelpful, however comforting their intent sometimes be yearn for someone 161 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,120 who will grieve, ache and weep with us. Let us express pain, frustration, sometimes even 162 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,260 anger. I heard that in your last comment. So I'm like, we've got to come to this part. 163 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:41,260 All emotions are good. 164 00:13:41,260 --> 00:13:42,260 They are. 165 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:46,080 And giving them at your body a chance to either process if you're ready or shelf them if you're 166 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,720 not quite ready to process them. But at some point all these things will need to happen. 167 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Let us express pain, frustration, sometimes even anger and acknowledge with us there are 168 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,160 things we do not know. 169 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,160 Absolutely. 170 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,840 And I have a question I was thinking of off of that. What have you learned about mourning 171 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,520 and grieving with others that you so when the trial isn't necessarily your own, you 172 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:14,680 see it happening for somebody else. What can you share? Is that putting you on the spot? 173 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:22,660 I feel like I have been the one that maybe gave the cliche or jumped right to the silver 174 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:23,660 lining in my past. 175 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:24,660 Let's fix this by doing this. 176 00:14:24,660 --> 00:14:30,360 Right. Because it feels more comfortable in my body to have a silver lining rather than 177 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,960 a, oh, no, what are we going to do type of a thing, which I know, no, what are we going 178 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,960 to do is very normal. It's fine to work through that. Right. Like it's, it's natural and healthy. 179 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:46,520 When Garrett, the week that we had all those things happen, we fell off a cliff with our 180 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,680 family. Garrett had a serious 181 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:50,680 in a vehicle. 182 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Yeah. In a vehicle with a couple of their kids. 183 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:59,320 No, our Christmas present. Garrett fell and got a horrible, what is the word? I can't 184 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,320 think of it. 185 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Aneurysm? Concussion. 186 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Concussion. And then when we went in, saw that he had an aneurysm. 187 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,560 And then 188 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,600 Like when I listen back to podcasts and like you're thinking of a word and I'm like, not 189 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,800 charades, but it's like concussion. 190 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,000 Yes. Thank you, Abby. And then just a little bit later after that, we both got a job and 191 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,100 moved states. It was a lot to handle in a little bit of time. And I just have to tell 192 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:24,800 you that after all of this happened, it was during the Christmas and I kind of watched 193 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:31,160 everyone like, it was like my life was going in slow motion and all the music was gone 194 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,980 out of my life. And I was just kind of watching other people live their life. And I remember 195 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:42,120 being on Instagram and people were commenting on like, you know, just saying the things 196 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,160 that that came to their mind and 197 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,200 like offering condolences for the hard things you were going through. 198 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,040 And it was the which ones resonated, which one I don't remember, but it was the very 199 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:57,880 first time in my life that I was like, Oh my gosh, I have been the person that did not 200 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:04,640 understand the depth of suffering and sorrow. I didn't know what to say. And I was also 201 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,840 one of the people that because I didn't know what to say, Abby, I wouldn't even bring it 202 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:15,400 up, which I promise you, if someone's experienced a death, if someone has experienced something 203 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:21,280 that is life altering, you better believe they're already thinking about it. And bringing 204 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,880 it up isn't going to like ruin their day. It's going to help ease the burden because 205 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,000 they'll have someone to talk about just like, how are you doing? I haven't seen you since 206 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,200 XYZ happened. And I really want to just give you a hug in person or whatever it is. Right? 207 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,920 I used to be the person that didn't want to bring it up because I'm like, it might shatter 208 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:44,440 them. They're already shattered. You know what I mean? So that's, that's something that 209 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,040 I learned that I really strive to. I know that each one of us can fall back into it 210 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,800 where we just forget the depth of people, people's sorrow. And so just to remember, 211 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,680 maybe just have a quick prayer before we comment and just like, I haven't had this experience 212 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,960 help me to know what to say. 213 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:03,240 Do you feel like the answer comes from the loved one that's just recently passed, like 214 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,160 when you have the right words to say? 215 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Absolutely. Through the spirit, that could absolutely be it. And that's why we seek the 216 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,880 spirit because whatever the Holy Ghost wants to share with us, whether it's, you know, 217 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,000 angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost, right? Whether it's through one of them or 218 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,680 him himself, whatever it is, we will know what it is and it will touch our heart. 219 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,680 And I'll just reiterate, because what I felt like you said, what I'm taking home with me 220 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,540 is like, you like take one quick breath. Don't jump to the answer that your like natural 221 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:36,840 mind would be inclined to want to say. And a quick prayer in your heart that you say, 222 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:44,120 that the words that I speak be heard properly. Like I'm not trying to fix the pain that you're 223 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:48,480 going through, but I am here to mourn with you. I haven't experienced the situation you 224 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,760 are with all the facets of it. You know, you might lose your mom, but you know, your dog 225 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,400 might have died the same day and you might be in a breakup. Like, no, nobody's, you're 226 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,120 probably not going to be the person that has those three things also going on in your life 227 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:06,920 in that minute. But this, the spirit could probably help you with the right thing or 228 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:12,400 emotion or the hug. Sometimes like you just don't say anything. Yeah. And I learned that 229 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:19,320 lesson. We lost a family member and when people would come to the line, they'd say, how are 230 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,920 you doing? Which is very natural to say. But it's like, if you say I'm doing well, then 231 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,720 they'll be like psychopath. Or if you're like, I'm doing terrible, they're like, she needs 232 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:35,920 to get her stuff together. You know, I'm just like that. Right. So you, so I have since that 233 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,920 time, I can't even remember how many years, let's just say like 18 ish, 20 maybe since 234 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:47,600 that time, I feel like I've had the blessing of because of, because of the loss, you know, 235 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:54,080 the loss that my family suffered. I can, I can not, I'm not saying I say the right thing 236 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,960 all the time at funeral situations, but I don't ask people how they're doing. I look at them, 237 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,120 say, like, like I'll see, like you can vibe if they, they're like seem like huggers or 238 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,880 like handshakers or whatever. Right. Sometimes you just, you're just there emotionally for 239 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,000 them. Or sometimes just seeing your face means everything. Right. So sometimes it's just 240 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,120 your presence. Sometimes it's absolutely saying nothing. Um, greenhouse season, my sister 241 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:21,680 had a very close friend and her mom had been deteriorating for years and years. And so 242 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:27,520 Mother's Day weekend, she makes a quick trip down to Logan and doesn't even try to like 243 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,320 talk to Camille, but like not, that wasn't her intent. She wasn't going to be like, been 244 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,040 through this and this is super hard, you know, but she made the quick trip down there and 245 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,920 then she sent you a text a day or two after and she's like, you know, your presence meant 246 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,000 so much to me and like your friendship and the gist of it being like, I recognize with 247 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,340 the greenhouse and being Mother's Day weekend, that was probably a sacrifice for everybody. 248 00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:51,320 So Amanda shared it with me to say like, it was nice that things were covered there and 249 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,960 she didn't have to worry about it, but that's what's coming to my mind that it's like sometimes 250 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,320 just being there for somebody not having the right words to say or the spirit might impress 251 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,440 with you. It's not about the words. It's that you're there to mourn with somebody that mourns 252 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:13,400 and comforts somebody that needs that. So I will tell, I will say, I think we're going 253 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,720 to wrap this up just, um, just because I feel like we kind of hit the high mark that we 254 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:24,720 were trying to keep for you guys, but there was one more question that came, that kind 255 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:30,040 of popped out in this passing and maybe I'll just encourage it as the action item for this 256 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:36,040 talk. Ask yourself the question, what story in the Book of Mormon gives you a firm testimony 257 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:42,360 that what happened in their time can be a blessing for you here now? 258 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:47,640 Love it. So like, how is it a living scripture? How it was as applicable then? 259 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:55,000 Right from the very first chapter, like it's family interaction, it's some contention, 260 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,040 family, or it's disruption in our lives, the life we're living. We have to pack up, we 261 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,680 have to go to this unknown and we only know what the next step is in front of us. We don't 262 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,160 know that we're going to wander through the wilderness for time, get sent back, wander, 263 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:14,280 get sent back, wander, make a ship, never had a ship like this, cross the ocean. I mean, 264 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,440 there's just so many things that were trials along the way, but so many blessings and we 265 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,440 can see the refinement that happened. But that's just one, like, that's not to steer 266 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,960 your thought, like don't take that one if that's not what you're thinking of. 267 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,360 It was just one of the elders. 268 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,760 Right now this year, and come follow me, we're in the Book of Mormon and I'm hoping that 269 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,200 you're seeing yourself in these scriptures and that you're learning from lessons that 270 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,760 other people had to go through in a way that you can see at the end of that story, like 271 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,160 you have the beginning to end, you have hundreds of years forward and back from it, but you 272 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:48,320 can say, oh, I can see why, you know, that was put in their path. What did God do with 273 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,160 these people to make all of those things work for their good? 274 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,160 Right. 275 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Final thoughts? 276 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:59,360 It was just such a great talk. I loved it and I love that he said from first Nephi 1 277 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,240 to Moroni 10, he's like, we can see ourselves in the Book of Mormon. And I love that. 278 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,240 We can if we look. 279 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,240 Read your scriptures. 280 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,240 We'll see you next time. 281 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:13,240 Talk to you later, guys. 282 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:44,240 Thank you.