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Welcome to Closer to Christ, our general conference.

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We're just two friends sharing our own approach to studying general conference.

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This is Abby and Amy, and we're so glad that you guys joined us today.

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Yeah, welcome.

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We're happy you're here.

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We've got some feedback that we don't sound like ourselves.

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We are really going to try our hardest to be a little more authentic, but if you ever

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sat in front of a microphone and tried to record yourself and then had to listen to

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it back, you would know the pain that this causes us.

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There's a little bit of voice coaching on the side and you have all these different

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thoughts in your mind.

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So with that, we'll jump into this awesome talk.

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This was an awesome talk.

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Did I mention what we were going to go over today?

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I don't think I did.

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We are going to be going over Elder Brent H. Nielsen's talk called A Record of What

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I Have Both Seen and Heard.

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Did you love this as much as I loved it?

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It was so good.

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There was so much in it and there were specific things that jumped out to me that I just loved.

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Okay.

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Hopefully you are ready to share because I think you should take it.

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Should I kind of open with a preface of what the gist of the talk was?

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Go for it.

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Maybe I would start a really cited lesson that way.

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I'd open it by saying his background is he's a lawyer and he obviously the words testimony

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and witness were common to his profession and then as he got set apart in this special

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calling, he thought, hey, that's the same words that I am accustomed to using in my

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work life.

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So for me, I love that he, like who loves the law, right?

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That's not the most favorite thing to talk about.

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And then I'm like, boom, he switched it and we're talking about Jesus Christ and being

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a witness of him and making a record or testimony of the things that we know about Jesus Christ.

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So in the first paragraph, he got me there.

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And this is the end of his service, right?

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He's an emeritus now at the end of this conference.

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And so what a neat opportunity to be able to put down for himself and for his posterity

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that he'll be able to look back at this and kind of see the whole spectrum of the places

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they've traveled to, the people that they've seen, the growth of the church.

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And he kept saying things like, there's never been a better time to be a member of the Church

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of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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Every time you'd say that, like I kind of got a little bit emotional, like, I agree.

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People want you to think that's not true.

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And I'm like, no, that it's not the best time.

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I'm like, no, that resonated.

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It's always the best time.

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Whenever you're alive, wherever you are, it's the best time.

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Oh, absolutely.

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It did.

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So with that being said, is there something, as he was talking, you're like, that's for

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me right now?

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There were a couple of things.

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I did love that he kept saying that he was a witness of God's work across the world.

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And he said it in so many different ways.

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I love the numbers that he used.

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It was a perfect witness.

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Like if you're a numbers person that you're like, oh, yeah, well, he had to memorize how

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many?

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Thirteen temples?

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Fifteen.

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Fifteen temples to graduate seminary.

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And then it went to 335.

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Right.

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And then if you're like an emotional filler or whatever, then he talks about the spirit

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and the feeling that the members are having.

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Exactly.

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So yeah, it covered.

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It was a good record.

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It was a great record.

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It was nice and robust.

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What really came to my mind was I loved when he said his friends and family search.

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I love family search.

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I used to be a missionary for Sam for family search.

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And he said, if you didn't find your ancestor yesterday, I invite you to look again tomorrow.

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That is so true.

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A million names are added a day.

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Didn't they get a laugh in the crowd?

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If I listen, I think everybody is like, that's pretty funny.

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Yeah, they're probably really surprised.

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But really, honestly, there's so much to be done with family history work.

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And if you're sailing along on that, my aunt Mildred has done everything in my work, done

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back to Adam, that's not going to hold any water because there's more to it than that.

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It doesn't absolve you from getting to know your people.

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And it's so easy now.

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That's the thing.

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It doesn't take effort.

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It doesn't take books.

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It doesn't take microfiche.

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All the things that used to be done in the past.

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Flying to Germany.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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For the senses, all those things like you literally can tap on memories and start reading

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a story as simple as that.

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Tap on memories and write your own memory.

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You can do that too.

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You did this, you were Young Women's President.

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Wasn't it you that implemented in your ward, like the family search moment or something?

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We did before we started.

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Talk about that a little because I wasn't in Young Women's at the time.

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So I was over the laurels or the older class.

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And what we would do is just for the first, you know, because we have an hour, an entire

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So for the first 10 minutes or so, I would just have like a different thing that we would

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do.

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I'd let them get to know the phone, you know, the menu bar on the bottom.

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When I say the phone, I mean the app.

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They either had an iPad or they had their phone.

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And so they had the family tree app, which is the white with the with the tree on it.

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That's what the icon is.

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And yeah, we would just go through and sometimes I would say, Kate, all I want you to do today

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is just go through and find a story about one of your ancestors.

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I said, it's easier to start closer, like with a grandma or great grandma, because you're

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most likely to find something there.

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I wanted them to have success, you know.

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So then they would do that and I would just walk around, you know, the table that we were

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sitting at and just ask, hey, what have you found?

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And they would be like, oh my gosh, I had no idea that she lived in XYZ.

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I had no idea that, you know, she wore glasses or whatever it was.

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And it was just fun to do that.

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Then also one time I just had him tap on the memories tab and we did a voice recording

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and I had him go different places and I said, just record what how you feel about Jesus

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right now today.

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And so it was as simple as that.

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Maybe they go home and then they grab that memory off of their mother, their father,

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and they can record that from their app.

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It's a little hard because like when you're still a living ancestor, it's hard for me

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to know where's the most appropriate to upload that.

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Like ideally, if I have my mom upload it herself, then it goes to all of her living children.

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We don't have to wait, you know, till that record passes.

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I don't want to say that, but yeah, that's a long time down the road for me.

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That impacted me because Adam and I did a church history tour and like I would get some

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people saying like, I know that I'm supposed to be doing family history, but it's overwhelming

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and where to start.

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And because you were doing that in a small and simple way, literally you can get into

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the family search stuff and they've made it so easy to record these important things.

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And I would just show them, I'm like, memories, you can download this special app.

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This is for memories or read a story about your ancestor.

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And I helped them see that family history doesn't have to look like cases and cases

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of searching and pondering, pouring over these hard things.

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It can be so simple and like a one or two minute thing in your day.

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Oh yeah.

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Like I used to, when I was making dinner, I would say to one of my kids, Hey, jump on

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family search and find a story of one of our ancestors and share it during, during dinner.

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And they got so good at it.

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Like it's so cute.

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Also, parents, I would say, if you don't know how to do it, go ask your kids, say, Hey,

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here's my phone.

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Show me how to put a picture on it.

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And it'll be tap, tap, tap done.

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It's just, it's just so simple.

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That is one of the, in one of the roots texts I was at, I think it was 28, 2019.

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One of the brethren held up the phone and he said this, the family tree app is what

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technology looks like when it's fulfilling the measure of its creation.

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And I loved it.

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Oh, that is so good.

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There was something else I was going to say, but, Oh, I was going to say this is an addiction.

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Family, family history.

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It could be.

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I just, like, just a little warning.

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I'm going to start with like a minute or two, but if you tap in, if your ancestors know

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that you're available and willing to, to record for them or to be looking into these stories,

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you will get sucked in.

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You'll be a magnet.

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Yes.

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And that is awesome piece of gathering Israel on the other side of the veil.

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It is.

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Did you, do you feel like you've covered what you wanted to on the family search?

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I think that was beautiful.

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What about the power of reading stories from our ancestors?

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Love it.

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You're extra good at that.

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There's a, there's kind of an easier way to do that with the family search app.

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Like you, I go into the fan mode and then you can say, I'm specifically looking for

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stories.

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Of this great grandma.

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My sister, my oldest sister, she's involved with, that's her calling family, family history

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stuff.

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And she's, I think it was through her, but she's kind of encouraged us as the kids are

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asked to give talks in primary and stuff.

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But she recently, she's like pulled her information from, from our family search and made that

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story like Nephi is awesome.

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And then how is this ancestor, does that ancestor remind us of Nephi?

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And then she'll, she'll share it with us and she'd be like, Hey, so and so did this talk

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in church.

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So I'm able to share it with my kids and then lo and behold in the next week or two, it's

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time for them to give a talk.

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And then it's about their ancestor because all of these things work for the good.

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But when we make connections with our ancestors, then we can have their presence more in our

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lives.

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Absolutely.

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We can kind of see a little bit more of where, like where our little pieces and parts have

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come from.

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And on whose shoulders we stand, like we owe them a lot.

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I appreciate too, the stuff that they write down usually is like a nice succinct.

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If you're recording a life story, especially for members of the Church of Jesus Christ

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of Latter-day Saints, I feel like the highlights of the story kind of lead with, with maybe

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the ordinances that they had or like ways that they've seen God's hand in their life.

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Like oh yeah, I've got this day one app and some of it's frivolous and it's just like,

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you know, school went good today.

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The kids did this and that and this is special.

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But I also have, I also have some, when I look for key dates, like I thought, well,

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what did I record in my journal about conference?

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So it's like an online journal?

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It's an, yeah, it's online.

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This one, this one's kind of having a hard time formatting with like the newer Apple

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things, but I've just recently updated it.

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We've used it on and off.

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I've already told you I'm terrible at journal keeping, but this kind of works for the person

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that hates their handwriting or to sit in front of a computer.

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And I'm pretty good at taking a photo of my kids in a moment.

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In a couple minutes.

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I'm not going to like sit down and like journal about it right then, but I can literally go

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back.

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I can go back into the photo shoot and be like, oh, that was actually an important day.

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Like after some time's passed, I'm like, that was something important.

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I can figure out that day.

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I can put it into day one app, re-change the date and then put my feelings about why I

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thought that was special.

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So as I was listening to this talk, I was impressed to think, he's in a special witness

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and he's told me in the spirit has confirmed to me I can be a special witness of Jesus Christ.

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My area of coverage is way different.

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Like it's not the worldwide church.

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I do have vision of what my husband and I want to accomplish.

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Like we want to serve missions and we want to go wherever the Lord wants us and that

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may take us like next door.

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Like we might be in California.

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Maybe we'll be in Africa.

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I'm not exactly sure what that's going to look like.

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I can't really anticipate that, but I know his perspective is different because of where

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they've been called to and they're able to go to.

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But that doesn't make what my ability is in my little area right now.

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In your sphere of influence.

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So I'm like, what lessons am I learning?

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What things can I do to be a special witness right now?

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Are you going to share one of your entries?

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Maybe.

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Well, I did do a quick look at my entries.

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This is more, I was thinking to be a special witness, if I make a journal entry, that might

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just be for myself.

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That might be for my future self when I'm like struggling with something.

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If I have like some keywords and I can like do a search through my journal for, you know,

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I could make an index of things to search for like Jesus Christ or testimony or trials

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or something.

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I could look back and reflect on my own words and then testify to myself for a time that

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it's like needed and necessary.

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And through all those years.

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Right.

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Like it's kind of like a snapshot of that.

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But if I am posting on social media, then I'm special witness to like my sphere of friends.

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And if I'm bearing testimony in church, you know, that's my ward congregation.

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It's a podcast that does reach like a larger audience around the world that we get to beat.

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We get to testify of Jesus Christ in that way.

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So I did do a quick search as I was impressed to think, what am I taking time to record?

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What have I mentioned about General Conference?

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And I found one from October 3rd, 2015.

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And I said, we sustained three new apostles today and I have no doubt that they are true

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messengers of God.

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I love conference.

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I remember how I used to think it dragged out and I hated conference weekends, but now

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I crave it.

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The messages are so timely and invigorate me and help me know what I need to improve

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my life.

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There's a lot.

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I'm going to need to study these words over the next few months for sure.

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When I read that to Amy, she's like, man, that sounds like a 10 years in the making

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for what this podcast would be.

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Right.

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I recognize the word the timely messages.

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And I didn't even know I wrote this 10 years ago, but that that would resurface and then

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I'd be able to look back on that was awesome.

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So good.

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I think probably that's all I need to share from my journal because there's nothing extra

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special, it's special to me, but it's just great though.

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Like you said, it's a little snapshot of time.

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And the fact that that was almost 10 years ago, that's young, young mother, Abby.

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Yeah.

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And to say that you crave conference, like that's a big deal.

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It's awesome.

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I did.

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I did.

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At that point, I really needed it.

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I definitely needed it.

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So, okay.

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One of the things I was thinking of is he is I'm thinking, okay, so the first one is

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we can read about our ancestors.

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We can learn about them.

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The other one is we can record our own dealings with God.

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I was looking back and, you know, he kept saying, you know, things that you have both

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seen and heard, or you could say experienced.

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When you've done that, it's not easily taken away.

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But I say like, not easily because I feel like the adversary does try to take it away.

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He would love nothing more than for us to forget our dealings with God.

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And I was thinking of the people in Third Nephi who, how is it that they were actually,

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you know, a little while later thinking, did we actually witness the sun not setting?

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And they totally started to believe it, that they hadn't seen it.

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That's pretty amazing.

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So, I feel like the Lord does bless us with opportunities to see his hand in our lives.

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And if we take the opportunity to write it down and make a record of it, then it will

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not be taken from us.

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It won't be taken from us.

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So that, like you were saying, for our future selves, we can look back and it won't be taken

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from our posterity.

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That will be written or recorded in our voice, whatever it is.

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And that will be something that will carry us through.

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So I love that part.

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Host, I love it too, and not to negate anything that you're saying.

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What's important for me, what impressed me when you just said that was, it was like multiple

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generations after, the people that actually witnessed it.

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You were a baby when those miracles happened, and then you were counting on your ancestors

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to tell you the story that Jesus came.

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That's us.

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We weren't there when Jesus came, but we have the opportunity to look at testimony of that

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happening or not.

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But what stood out to me was what I have seen and heard, so that it's within each of us

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to ask for that witness for what we see and we hear.

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So how do you see Jesus when He's not physically walking with us right now?

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Oh, wow.

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I see Him in the sunsets.

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I see Him in the birds that fly by my house.

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I see Him in the river that ebbs and flows.

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Like I know what that word means now.

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I see Him in spring.

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I see Him everywhere.

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And that's just in nature.

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I see Him in just strengthening me in my day to day.

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Like He truly is everywhere for me.

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And then how have you heard Him?

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Through the prophets.

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I would say prophets words.

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Through conference.

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Yeah, and scripture.

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Sometimes when I pray and ask a question that I'm kind of worried about or working on, it'll

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come from a friend.

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Like Abby will say, hey, such and such and such.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, that was an answer to my prayer.

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So sometimes I hear it through other people who are listening to the Spirit.

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But you're maybe asking for that witness for yourself, and then it's given to you in whatever

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piece or way.

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Absolutely.

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And I recognize.

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That's what, when I just wanted to clarify what I'm saying is, I have both seen and heard,

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and these are the things I'm willing to witness of.

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What I wanted to say is that that can happen.

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That can be our blessing.

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That can be our witness.

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In this day and age, we have every right and ability to know for ourselves.

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It's great if your ancestors have that story, and that will maybe open your eyes to, you

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know, what do we need to do to grow our testimony?

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But then it needs to be your own.

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I think that's what those words are saying to me.

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I agree.

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I understand what you're saying.

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That it's not, grandma has both seen and heard, and so trust grandma.

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What I'm hearing is, I have both seen and heard, and that we can each make that own

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declaration or statement for ourselves.

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I love that you said that, Abby, because as I was reading through this for the second

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time, I had the thought of, you know, sometimes we stand back because we think, well, someone

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else has already written about, maybe it's a specific thing, like let's say, you know,

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in the Gospels, what if only one person had written about it?

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We have multiple…

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Accounts.

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Accounts.

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We have multiple personalities writing, and we have like this talk in, or specifically,

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he was an attorney or is an attorney, and so the words that were a special witness, witness

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jumped out at him.

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Someone else who is an accountant, maybe the numbers will jump out at them.

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Whatever it is, my feeling that I got from the Spirit was there cannot be too many accounts.

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Ooh, I love that.

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We can all be a recorder.

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So it sounds like an action item.

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Sounds like…

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Yeah, right.

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So make a record would be an action item, or read a record from Family Tree, and then

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if you want to go the extra mile, you can go ahead and record your own record.

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My voice.

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Yes.

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I think those are all good ways to start.

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So if you haven't done any one of those things, pick the one that's easiest, just so that

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you can see that it's something you can just get on and you can do.

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Like I said, not the best journal keeper, but I'm so proud of all of the entries that

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I do have record of, and my husband, he's been better at it than me in the past too.

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Him recording a piece of our life is just as big of a blessing to me.

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I'm like, I don't remember that story.

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Or from his perspective, it makes it extra awesome.

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Also, I used to tell my mom when she was just starting with the app, the Family Tree app,

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I said, set a timer for five minutes.

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When five minutes is up, you stand up and you walk away.

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Hopefully you have done the thing and you have, you know, it should really only take

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two minutes, but if you're frustrated because you can't log in or something like that happens,

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take a break, say a prayer, walk away, and then start again tomorrow and do five minutes.

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That was another piece too, because you can go to tasks and you can say what's the most

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important task to work on, and sometimes the Spirit just leads you to the right one.

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And you find somebody that's desperate for you to find them.

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That's waiting for you.

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Yep.

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Because you've shown a willingness, you've sat down to do some record keeping and to

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show that you value what's happening in the Family Tree app.

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It really means temple covenants and helping your ancestors in that way.

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And a million new names a day.

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There are a million.

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There's more work to be done.

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Mildred did not finish it all.

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No, she didn't.

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All right.

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Any last thoughts?

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That's it.

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We're so happy you were here with us.

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We love this.

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We'll see you next time.

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See you next time.