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Welcome to the podcast, Closer to Christ, where two friends who love Jesus and his gospel

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share our own approach to general conference.

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Today, we're going to be discussing Sister Annette Dennis' talk, Put Us on the Lord

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Jesus Christ.

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Let's jump right in here.

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So Abby, what were your favorite takeaways?

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Hey, thanks for asking that question, Amy.

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That's exactly how I like to start a Relief Society lesson.

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Like just open it up, what stood out to you so that I can kind of hear in general what

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the sisters are, like what's most interesting to them so that I'm not pigeonholed into just

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trying to get through what I want to get through in the talk, really opening it up to like

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more collaboration and more inspiration and the spirit touching people.

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Like sometimes somebody will bring something up in the talk.

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I'm like, I didn't even hear that this time.

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And they make me aware of it and make it more important to me to readdress.

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So for me, the thing that just popped was right from the beginning paragraph when Sister

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Dennis talks about symbolism in books and how she taught her children over the years

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how to read the book at face value and then what's the deeper message that can be found

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within those pages and to the point where her kids would be frustrated.

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They couldn't just read the book for the sake of the book.

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They were always getting a deeper message.

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That's what the author's intention was.

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But not necessarily, you know, in that way, we might walk away with a lesson that we need

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to rather than something explicitly that the author is trying to share because that's the

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message we needed to hear at the time we're prepared to hear.

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And so she set me up for this.

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Okay, this is going to be a very symbolic talk.

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I'm going to get something out of this talk in the first pass.

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I'm going to get something more out of it as I look into it a little bit later.

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And then if I'm ready for even more wisdom or something from this talk, then that's going

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to be there each time that I take a pass through it.

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I'm going to share one of like one of my aha moments.

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Just right, just directly quoting what she said.

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She said when God the Father offered his only begotten Son as a sacrifice for us, Jesus

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Christ himself became the highest symbol of our Father in heaven's undying love for each

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of us.

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Jesus Christ became the Lamb of God.

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I was like that was so powerful.

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I've heard it in a million different ways in a million different times, but Jesus Christ

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is the ultimate symbol of Heavenly Father's love for us.

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And then as the talk goes on, talks about how we have the privilege and blessing of

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being invited into a covenant relationship with God, which our own life can then become

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a symbol of that covenant.

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And it creates a kind of relationship that allows God to mold and changes over time and

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lift us to become more like the Savior, drawing us closer and closer to Him and our Father

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and eventually preparing us to enter into their presence.

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God sets the conditions and obligations of the covenants we make.

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When we choose to enter into that relationship, we witness to Him through our symbolic action

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of each and every covenant we make that we are willing to abide by the conditions he's

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set.

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And then in honoring those covenants, we enable God to pour out the multitude of promised

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blessings associated with those covenants, including increased power to change and become

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more like our Savior who was set as this ultimate prime example of God's love for us.

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And so as we become more like the Savior, we're demonstrating our love back to God.

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And then the last I'm kind of cutting my favorite direct quotes from him.

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This is the last thing that I'll directly share.

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It says, there is a deep and beautiful symbolic meaning in the garment of the Holy Priesthood

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and its relationship to Christ.

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I believe that my willingness to wear the holy garment becomes my symbol to him in my

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own personal sign to God.

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It's not a sign to others.

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And that was a stand up for me.

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Do you feel like there's kind of like an incessant argument like in social media, like with the

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way that we publish our lives and we put our lives out there these days that that's something

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that comes up all the time.

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All of us like commenting on how people wear their garment or don't wear their garment

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or what that should look like for each person.

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Totally.

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And I noticed it the way that she said this.

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It was like, I don't need to worry about how other people wear the garment.

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I only need to worry about how I wear the garment for myself and the way that I wear

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my garment to reflect how I feel about my savior, period.

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No judgment on how others are wearing it.

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The first presidency, they've added that extra layer to the Temple recommend stuff.

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There are a set of rules that we have been asked to abide by.

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The garment is so sacred and special that we do promise to wear it in a certain way.

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But you know, past that interview and past receiving that recommend and past having the

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privilege and the opportunity to wear the garment.

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It's really an individual pursuit on what that looks like.

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Totally.

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I agree with that.

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Like, it's interesting to how you keep saying layers.

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Okay, not intentionally.

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No, I know.

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Yeah, you know, no pun intended with it being another layer, right?

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But it's true.

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Like, as you were talking, I was thinking about just the way that she described it.

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And then you just use the same words that she used.

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But essentially, having us be covered in the blessings that Jesus Christ offers that are

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tied through his atonement.

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And again, another layer, I'm just kind of thinking in this way, but we have layers of

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covenants, right?

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Like we start at baptism, and we make a covenant and we, we might not totally understand what

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is entailed in that covenant at eight, right?

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I can be fully aware with that.

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One thing that I would say I fully understood is that I wanted to follow Jesus.

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And that's why I made that covenant.

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Have I learned more things beyond every week as I take the sacrament?

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Every week, I grow deeper in that covenant, you could say, as I continue to live the gospel

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of Jesus Christ.

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And I feel like it's the same way with the next covenants that we make.

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I've chosen to make the covenants.

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I might not understand them fully and perfectly at every step.

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But what I do know is that my heart is turned toward Jesus and I want what he has.

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I love that.

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What was the word that she used about covering?

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Kala.

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Kala or was it the kafar?

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Kafar.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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That's what it was.

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That's like, isn't that like a beautiful religious covering or is that just, it's like the whole

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headdress?

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I'm not sure what that hat.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what the name of that is, but I think it just means cover.

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Right.

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It's like the garment doesn't necessarily have to cover every square inch of our body

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to if we understand that it's more of a symbolic point that it's putting ourselves on Jesus

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Christ.

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We were thinking, you know, back in the day, the garment used to be ankle to wrist.

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That's pretty cumbersome.

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Right.

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But as far as they understood, you know, what is covered is protected.

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That's a layer.

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But then you come to understand really if the garment just points you to Jesus Christ

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and makes you think of Him more during your day, that's the point of the garment and the

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having it next to you and by you and so intertwined with everything that you're doing, points

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you to Jesus Christ more often during the day.

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Had we not had the opportunity to wear it?

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Absolutely.

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I totally agree with that.

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It's interesting because as we've been thinking about this, you know, this talk, I just thought

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to myself, I was like, you know what?

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It's become a part of my morning routine.

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Right.

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Like, I could say it's as routine as me putting on my shoes in the morning.

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It says routine as me, you know, brushing my teeth.

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Just because it's part of that, it kind of gets lumped in with it.

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And after this talk, I definitely during the talk, I was like, Oh, wow, Amy, this is an

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opportunity for you to really think about it rather than having it just be autopilot.

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I get ready in the middle, you know, in the sorry, in the beginning of the day.

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So I just was thinking of a couple of questions and one of them was, how am I being covered

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by the Savior's atonement in my life?

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Another one, can I ask Heavenly Father to help me feel more connected to Christ as I

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put on my garments of the priesthood?

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And then the other one I was thinking of is, you know, I am capable of creating an environment

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as I get ready in the morning.

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I was thinking of the sacrament, you know, the doors are closed.

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We sing a hymn.

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It's quiet and it's reflective.

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And so I was just thinking, you know, what if the beginning of my day, as I put on the

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garment, I am thinking of that and just remembering that I really am renewing a covenant that

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I've made to remember Jesus Christ.

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And as I do that, how much more empowered am I during the day?

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Like, honestly, if we think about it, that we put him on, that means I'm putting on a

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portion of his patience with people and myself.

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I'm putting on a portion of his love.

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And these all flow through his atonement that he did for each one of us.

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So it's very empowering to think of that.

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So I guess the best way for me to put it is that I appreciated the way she framed that

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because the Spirit was able to teach me as I listened and as I've read this talk, that

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there really is more there than I was claiming for myself.

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And so now I want to, you know, stand up and claim that power.

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I do want to be covered in the blessings of Jesus Christ.

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So this is an easy action item for me to point out to the audience.

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If you've made covenants with God in the form of temple covenants and you do have the authorization

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to wear the garment on behalf of those.

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Amy pointed this out to me a couple of weeks back when we were just talking about highlights

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from conference and something that she's been doing since.

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And so she told me that she's putting more thought and time into putting the garment

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on rather than just one of those daily tasks.

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We probably all agree when a prayer is the first thing we do in the morning or we get

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our scripture study done earlier in the morning, it changes the direct, it changes the course

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of the day.

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It changes what we're able to accomplish.

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It changes.

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I mean, even if we don't get everything accomplished, like we felt like we've got the most important

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things done if we're kind of checklist people.

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And so I can honestly say I've put more time and attention into that step of my day where

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the garments going on, thinking of it more like not just what I wear, not what I've worn

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for the last 20 years, that it's a chance to sit and reflect on my savior and what he

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has the ability to do for me during that day.

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Especially if the day seems overwhelming or crazy, that it's not just in prayer that I'm

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like, I need these things from you.

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It reminds me that I have specific temple covenants that I can rely on him in so many

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different moments.

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My responsibilities as a mom, my responsibility as a member of a ward, the things that I'm

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expected to do in my community.

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Well, I shouldn't say expected.

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There's just the list.

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We all have lots of hats that we wear and the savior is willing and able to step in

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and fill whatever we need him to in those moments.

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And the garment was designed as a symbolic representation of all of those things that

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he can do for us.

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Too often we think we have to be the one that gets all of these things accomplished and

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do these things.

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And he wants us to know, nope, I'm here with you, beside you.

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Like we're way more of a team.

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I'm reminded of that by the garment and I love that.

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So I've appreciated that.

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Amy admitted to me that it's something that can kind of slip out of her focus and like

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kind of goes back to that routine thing.

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And so she's talked about a few ideas of actually, I don't know, making, making a little, it's

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like people will put little things on their, with their mirrors in their bathroom, like

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a saying, a quote, like an affirmation or something, something where she keeps her,

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her garments stored.

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I don't know what you come, came up with.

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Was it going to be a scripture?

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Was it going to be a piece of sisters?

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Right in my closet, I just have, I have a little mirror in my closet where I get ready

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and that's where my garments are as well.

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And so just when I'm getting ready in the morning, I just want to have that on my mirror.

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One of the questions that speaks to me, do you know what I mean?

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Like how am I claiming the blessings of my covenants as I, as I wear the holy garment,

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you know, something like that, that just gets me to think a little more that it truly is,

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like you said, a symbol of something that I take very, that I see as sacred.

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Yeah, and the more often that we're attending the temple and, and we have those covenants

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and the blessings associated with the covenants we're making running through our brain.

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I don't think it's appropriate to mention any of that past past saying that here, but

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I'm, I'm running through those in my head right now, as we're having this conversation,

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we're podcasting, I'm thinking the absolute power that is bestowed on me in the temple

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and brought to remembrance of it as I'm thinking about the garment in that way.

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So once again, reiterating rather than using the garment as a way to judge standard of

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others and what we perceive as going on in our life and how we think that they are being

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like just be self-reflective on it.

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All that matters is how you view the garment and what it means to you.

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And what power you can draw from it as you take the deeper symbolism of the garment into

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your life.

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Not necessarily just thinking of the fabric of it, but the meaning, the, the meaning of

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Agreed.

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What, what stood out to you, Amy, I should have asked you the same question back.

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Like, you're good.

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Um, some action item was obviously drawn from, from the talk.

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Like you've actually been doing something because of the talk, but was there any like

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piece of it that you were just like, Oh, that was something to think about?

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I did like again, like with the layers, I really loved how, um, through the whole talk,

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she was really good at reminding us like that the first layer, you know, she says, Jesus

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Christ is at the center of all of the covenants that we make and covenant blessings are made

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possible because of his atoning sacrifice.

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And I just like how she went through after that and just sort of highlighted each of

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the, um, the covenants that we do make.

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And again, I feel like it's the layers, right?

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She says with our baptism, we symbolically put on Christ.

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We again put on Christ as we make a new covenant each week.

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So that would be like, as we take the sacrament, right?

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And then she talks about the ceremonial clothing during temple service.

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We also wear the garment to the Holy priesthood, both during temple worship and in every day

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of our lives.

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And again, when we were talking about the word Kaffir, she says, our temple garment

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reminds us that the savior and the blessings of his atonement cover us throughout our lives.

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As we put on the garment to the Holy priesthood each day, that beautiful symbol becomes a

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part of us.

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And I, again, it's the symbolism of it, right?

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It's kind of like a parable and there's as much there as we're willing to ask to be taught.

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So it's great if you just want to take it at the face value, you know, some days maybe

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that's where you are, or some years that's where you are, just with a hope and a desire

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that the spirit will continue to teach you as we live the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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That's really what I see in it.

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And that's what I've seen throughout my life is that there's always been like a line upon

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line type of a thing as I turn to God.

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Yeah, I don't think any of us start our day out like intending to do any wrong or hoping

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to make mistakes.

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Right, as a natural man goes, it's gonna, it's bound to happen.

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But I, as you were talking, I was just thinking, it's covered.

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If I mess up, it's covered.

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I'm not intent because my heart's in a place where I'm not intentionally setting out to

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cause harm or make a mistake.

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That's great.

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I'm thinking of that as I'm putting on that garment and kind of master planning the day.

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But at the end of the day, you know, when life has happened and haven't done everything

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perfectly, that I get another chance to reflect on my Savior and how grateful I am that anything

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that didn't quite go perfectly, which is every day was covered by my Savior.

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I feel that.

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I love that.

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That's so great.

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It's true.

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I like going through the day, you know, going back through the day and saying, if I had

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to redo, what could I do?

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And Heavenly Father, you know, please let the atonement work in my life where maybe

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I messed up and someone's not ready to forgive me or something like that.

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Like if there could just be a softness that's there that can soften hearts and we can still

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mend a relationship.

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Because I do think, you know, there's one thing to make a mistake.

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And then there's another thing, repair.

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Repair really is possible because of the atonement of Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, we didn't do it perfectly.

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But if we come together and, you know, two people talking together in whatever circumstance

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or situation it is and just say, I realize I did mess up, is there a way forward for

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both of us?

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And the word repetition popped out.

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Like there's another R for you.

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It's like if I keep doing the same thing, making the same mistake again.

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Yes, the Savior has atonement does have the power to get over that.

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But if I'm more reflective on my day after it's gone by and I'm like not super happy

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with the way something went, if I reflect on it and I think if I had to do over, I wouldn't

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do it again.

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It actually propels me to not make that same mistake in a future day.

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Oh, I think that's where a lot of pride.

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That's really a demonstration of the love that I have for my Savior and my Heavenly

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Father when, when I'm recognizing that I didn't love some of the decisions that I made that

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I want to, can't really go back on them.

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He covers that though.

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But going forward that I'm going to try to do better, you know, be aware of what the

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Spirit's perking in you to think about a little bit more deeply.

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See you next time.

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