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the shows are great it was uh traveling was a

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little hairy because we had like i had a keyboard

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on the wheels and he had a guitar case on wheels

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and we're not the best travelers by ourselves

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we're on the train and we got yelled at in the

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quiet car it was a pretty Welcome to Overeducated

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and Underemployed. We've got a really cool episode

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this week. It's from Nucci Space up in Athens,

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Georgia. The Heathens Homecoming Drive -By Truckers

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annual auction to raise money for that organization.

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There's a little speech from Patterson Hood in

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this episode. There's talks with a couple of

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people from Nucci Space. I interviewed some fans.

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Nancy Einhardt from Mundane Mayhem. It's a Drive

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-By Truckers publication. And then stay tuned

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to the very end because Jay Gonzalez joins us,

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comes back on the pod and talks about Nucci Space,

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his European tour, and why he'll never leave

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Athens. So this is a great episode. It took me

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a little while to put it together. There's a

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lot of moving parts in this one. I hope you all

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enjoy it. I did have another interview with Glenn

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that the audio just got messed up. I could not

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recover it. One of the things he really emphasized,

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though, that I wanted to make sure that got passed

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on to this episode was that the Heathens' homecoming

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every year is just like a very come -as -you

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-are, safe space, very much just like a... judgment

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-free zone. There have been years where people

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come and they're going through some stuff, and

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then they come and they're going through some

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great stuff. So it's just really an inclusive

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space, and Glenn and I talked about that a lot,

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and I'm sorry that we couldn't get that interview

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on this episode. I'll talk to him next year.

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I think I'm going to do an episode about this

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event every year. So here we go. We've got interviews.

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I'm consecutively here starting with Terry from

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Nucci Space. Thanks a lot, y 'all. Make sure

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you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you

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hit like. If you like this episode, please share

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it with some friends, man. Spread the word about

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Nucci Space. Thanks a lot. I'm here with Terry.

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She's with Nucci Space. She's the communications

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coordinator, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, communications

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and special events manager. Oh, great. We had

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quite the special event here at this space the

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other day. We didn't get a chance to catch up

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then, so I dropped by on my way out of town.

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Yep. I just want to know, just at the beginning,

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what is Nucci Space for everybody listening?

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So the basic answer is that we're a musician's

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resource center, but... That is just a very small

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way to describe a lot of different things in

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a very big organization. So we are small in stature,

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but we do so many things for the community. We

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have multiple different programs that all seek

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to serve the creative and musician community

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in Athens. We've been open since the year 2000.

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We're celebrating our 25th anniversary this year,

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actually. And we started out just sort of with

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the focus of providing health and wellness resources

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to musicians. So low cost therapy, counseling,

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things of that nature, as well as low cost rehearsal

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rooms and equipment. that's how we started out

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but over the years we have branched out further

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and now we have youth programs so our camp amped

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program which seeks to empower young people that

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are wanting to become part of the music industry

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and help them just form communities and friendships

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and learn how to advocate for their mental health

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and then we've also expanded our musician services

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program so that we have an amplify recording

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studio as well as our rewired sales we do lots

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of signature events throughout the year and of

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course the dbt Heathens Homecoming Barbecue and

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Auction is one of those things that has become

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a yearly must -have event for us. I've been coming

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for about 15 years, and I've seen it grow, and

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I've seen it change, and I've seen the people

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morph. Some of the same people, but we've also

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had to have new people come in to fill roles

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and expand things. Can you just talk about the

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impact of that? that barbecue has had over the

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years? So I've been here for just shy of three

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years. So this year was my third, which compared

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to the community that that's like a very small

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number because so many of you have been coming

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for so long and it's been entrenched in Nucci

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space for a long time. But just in those three

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years, I have seen that happen where just like

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in the past couple of years working on this event

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with Dave and helping him be sort of like his

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right hand woman, I guess would be my job. I've

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noticed like people in the community that will

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say, oh, well, what's what's that? What is this

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barbecue auction thing? Is it just for the fan

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club? Can I come? And I've seen people that have

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just turned up to see what's going on and then

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come back. So it's really cool. Like I'm just

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watching the community grow in real time just

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over the past three years. So I can only imagine

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what that's like for people who have been coming

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to it for much longer, just watching you guys

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community grow. It's really neat. Yeah, it's

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really one of those things I look forward to

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every year. Sometimes the only thing I have to

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look forward to for a while. But we know it's

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always going to be here. And I feel like Nucci

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Space plays that role for a lot of people in

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this community. Yeah, yeah. Can you just talk

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a little bit about the new recording space that

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y 'all have? Because actually some of the guests

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on this podcast have recorded there. Slightly

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famous somebodies have been recording there.

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Jonathan Spencer and Laura Wiggins. And I just

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want to hear a little bit more about it. Yeah.

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So Amplify Studio is... a really neat like i

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noticed that more and more musicians in the community

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are starting to come to us to record which i

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love and we've had conversations about expanding

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that even more so we'll see what happens but

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that program is run by chris byron and i believe

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our our staff member ethan houseman also is part

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of that team and i've heard nothing but good

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things about the production there we have so

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many cool musicians in the community in and out

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of that space all the time and And one of my

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personal favorite things out of there was that

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we were doing satellite sessions for a while

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where we were actually featuring recordings from

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those sessions like on our socials and stuff.

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So I hope we can get back to doing that soon

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because it was very well received and a lot of

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fun. Oh, that sounds great. Yeah, I'll look forward

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to that. Can you just tell me a little bit about

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Camp Amped as well? Because I think for a lot

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of the Drive -By Truckers fans, our kind of view

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into it is the Camp Amped band. Yeah. Camp Amped

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band is... put together by camp amped yes and

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then they open one of the drive -by truckers

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shows every year and that's always a privilege

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to get to see them they're they're always a killer

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band um can you tell me a little bit more just

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about that program yeah and so one of the things

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that i love about the campaign program is that

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our kids are allowed are able to do shows like

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that. And it's not actually exclusive to just

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the DBT. In our signature events like Athens

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Business Rocks and Athens Uncovered, we always

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have a camp band open the show. And then, of

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course, the drive -by truckers are so generous

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to extend, you know. the chance for one of our

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camp bands to open for them every year. And that

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has sort of taken off. Jason Isbell actually

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had one of our camp bands open for him. At the

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Ryman. At the Ryman. I remember hearing about

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that. So it's becoming a little bit of a trend

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that I hope continues where people will think

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of our campers because, yes, they're kids. Yes,

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they're just starting out. But a lot of the time,

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they're incredible musicians. They really are,

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yeah. And it's just such a great community building

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thing. It's just a great way to involve our space

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outside of. the community and get these kids

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in the door. But just on a personal note, my

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son is also a camper. He'll be in his senior

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year of Camp Amp this year. And I have watched

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the program just since working here and watching

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him. And I can't say enough good things about

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it. For the children, I don't even want to call

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them children. They're almost grown up. I think

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it's more about. playing in a band with your

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friends and building community and having an

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opportunity to like showcase your talent and

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all of that which is great in itself but there's

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a covert mission of camp which is to teach kids

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to advocate for their mental health to set strong

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boundaries in the music industry and with their

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peers to advocate for safe spaces to rehearse

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to be able to talk about mental health one of

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the things that they talk about like one of the

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skills they try to teach them is know your worth

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you don't have to play for beer you can ask for

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money you don't have to fall victim to all of

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these different pitfalls there there's a place

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where you can come and talk about it and so they're

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having fun and playing music but they're also

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learning important life skills that will serve

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them in the future especially if they go into

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a creative field where there are you know, often

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mental health struggles and things of that nature.

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So that's what I love about it is that there's

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sort of that baked in support system behind all

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the fun that they're having. Yeah. Yeah. And

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I think that advocating for yourself is so important

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too. Like I'm a comedian and I can't think of

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how many times there's no pay involved or you

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can get a free drink or, or even sometimes you're

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required to buy something to be there. Thank

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you so much for talking with us. Is there anything

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else you'd like to share about the organization

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today? I know we have plans to sit down in the

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future and do like a longer episode about the

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organization, but I really wanted to talk to

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you a little bit about this barbecue. Yeah, of

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course. I would just want to say thanks to the

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Three Dimes Down community, to the drive -by

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truckers, to Patterson for swinging by, and just

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for the entire community for attending and supporting,

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donating items, going to all the events. I don't

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have set numbers yet on what we raised this past

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weekend, but I believe we've surpassed our goal.

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I can say that. That's fantastic. And we usually

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do because of this community. Do you remember

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up until this event what it was that this barbecue

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had raised over the years? I know they said it

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at the event, but I did not catch it. I'm not

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sure cumulatively how much. I do know last year

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it was over $100 ,000, which just surpassed expectations.

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Just so wonderful. Thanks to the community that

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supports us. And we could not do it without you

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guys. Well, thank you so much for being here.

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I'm so thrilled to see everybody living here.

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My amp was acting up and I had to get some work

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done on it this morning. It's so great to see

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all your faces and everybody being here. Great

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to be back in Vucci space. Thank you, everybody,

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for being homecoming this week. This has been

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definitely one for the books, and tonight's going

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to be unreal. We've got a band that came in from

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Philadelphia to play for y 'all tonight called

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Flory. Their record last year was absolutely

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in my top five favorite records of the year.

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I keep playing it, and I haven't seen them. I

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haven't met them or seen them. I've texted with

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Francis a little bit from the band, but I'm looking

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forward. I can't wait to see them because everyone

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says they're even. better live, and that record's

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badass. So anyway, it's going to be fun tonight,

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and thank y 'all for participating in the auction,

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and I hope that we won't break a record again

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or something on all of that. But anyway, I guess

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I'll wrap up and move on. Thank y 'all so much

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for being here, and go Michigan State. Evening

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homecoming, 26th. But I'm going to tell you a

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little bit about my life. So I work here in UT

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space. I am from Athens, Georgia. And so I grew

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up here around music, playing music my whole

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life. It's been a great place to grow up and

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to just be exposed to all kinds of really cool,

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creative people and musicians. You guys know

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Athens. It's a great place. And I wanted to start

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and just say a little bit about my Uncle David.

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So my Uncle David was a huge role model for me

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growing up, mostly because he was a big hippie

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in the 60s. He went to Woodstock, and he just

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always had great stories of seeing just every

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artist you could imagine. So I grew up admiring

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David. And when I was a kid, David sent me in

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the mail the Decoration Day CD. And it took me

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about 10 years, I think, to really grasp what

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that album was saying. But I loved it from the

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first time I heard it. And it was a regular rotation

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for me growing up, for sure. So later in high

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school, I had a rule, much to my older sister's

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disdain, that you could not turn down drive -by

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truckers in my car. And I'm sure you guys can

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agree that's still a rule in my car for sure.

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But so let's see. A few years later, I started

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a band. And when I was in high school, I went

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to Camp Amped here at Nucci Space. This was back

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in 2009. I went to Camp Amped for four years

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every year that I was in high school. And I had

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the privilege to be in the homecoming concert

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at 40 Watt twice. So I did that in 2011 and 2013.

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Some of you may have been there. I wouldn't be

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surprised. If we weren't partying too hard to

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remember, we played Rhiannon by Fleetwood Mac,

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and we did Ohio by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

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Patterson came on stage and joined us for that

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one. It was awesome. Definitely a core memory.

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And in that band, actually, Willow Avalon was

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also in the band. You guys may have heard of

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her. She is a rising star in country right now,

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signed with Atlantic Records a couple years ago.

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So that's just another person who came through

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Camp BAMTS who's still doing music, who's finding

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success. And let's see. My Uncle David was there.

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He came over from Texas, came to see us, and

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another core memory for sure was that homecoming.

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So moving on, moving on here. Sorry if I'm talking

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fast, but thanks for y 'all paying attention.

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Let's see. The second homecoming, this is back

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in Camp Am, was actually the night after we lost

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Craig Leask. And I remember being unsure whether

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they were going to go through with the show.

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Obviously, that was a really heavy moment for

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everybody. It was a really... devastating loss

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for the whole community and they they did it

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they did it for craig they came out and that's

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what craig would have wanted and i just remember

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being really inspired by these guys coming up

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on stage being vulnerable with their emotions

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they were solving i think everybody in the room

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was was really letting it out but um you know

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that was just a pivotal moment for me as a musician

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seeing these guys these burly dudes up there

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just being open and sharing that space with the

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whole room of truckers fans and And my Uncle

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David was there too, and I remember being with

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him and just being really struck by that moment.

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I will never forget the version of Angels in

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Fuselage that they closed with that night, and

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they still do that sometimes, and it will always

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remind me of that. So when I was in camp, my

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first instructor was Thayer Serrano, a name you

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guys may be familiar with. Years later, when

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I was about 18, Thayer asked me to play drums

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in her band. This was right before she released

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her album, Shaky. So this would have been in

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2015. And I got to go on my first real tour with

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her that year. We toured up the East Coast that

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fall to New York City. My first time in Manhattan

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and my mind was absolutely blown being there.

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Just like being in a big city. It was just, I'd

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never felt anything like it. And it was crazy.

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The next spring, 2016, which was 10 years ago

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next month. Drive -By Truckers invited us to

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open for them on their East Coast tour. And they

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were promoting an album they were finishing up

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called American Band at that time. And so I watched

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them every night of that tour. I was out there,

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you know, this was back when they were still

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playing like two and a half, three hour shows.

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They may have cut off a little bit from that,

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but I don't know. They're probably still doing

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it. No, really? Tonight might be the night. It

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might be another three hour one. But I just remember

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being blown away by the energy they brought every

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single night. The crowd that they drew all over

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the country was like homecoming in every one

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of those towns. And it was incredible. My Uncle

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David came out and he met us. for two sold -out

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nights 9 30 club in dc and that was one of the

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last shows he saw me play before he passed away

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Another core memory for sure. Years later, I

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left my job at Ender Shots. You guys may be familiar.

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It's a venue, coffee shop, bar in town. I worked

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there for 10 years, or over 10 years. I started

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working in high school as a door guy. Started

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bartending. Eventually was the general manager

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for a few years. And I got burnt out working

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behind the bar, staying up late, mopping that

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place every night. And my mental health was struggling,

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to be fair. There was a job opening here at Nucci

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Space, and I came over here, felt like home.

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It was always home, and I've been here ever since.

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And I've just been trying to give back a little

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bit of what I've received from this space and

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this community. I've been very lucky to grow

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up here and just extremely fortunate in all the

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opportunities I've had in my life, to say the

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very least. But throughout all of that, I've

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struggled with my mental health. And I think

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it just goes to show how important this space

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is and the mission of New G Space. If I hadn't

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had it, I don't know where I would have been.

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A lot of my musician friends and family I met

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through New G Space and the opportunities I've

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had. It just goes to show how important the mission

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is and what we do here at Nucci Space. I now

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teach at Camp Amt when I can. I work in facilities

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and operations here. I just recently started

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doing some marketing work at Nucci Space, and

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I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon, that's

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for sure. Just this month, I've started a band.

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No shameless self -promo here, but it's really

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cool for me because I've never had a solo project

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that I've really been able to commit to, and

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it just so happens the three people who are playing

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with me are former camp instructors of mine.

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Again, NutriSpace has just been here for me forever.

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So to wrap this up, I think the moral of the

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story is just the work that NutriSpace does for

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the community is essential. The ones we lose

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stay with us, and it's really important not to

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let darkness consume us. We have the power to

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overcome. Darkness, when we come together, we

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can shed some light in our worlds, and DBT is

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the best band on earth. Thank you for letting

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me share my story. Thanks for your support, and

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I'll see you at the Rock Show tonight. Thanks,

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man. I'm here with Courtney. Courtney is the

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Facebook group moderator and admin, but also

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organizes tons of aspects of this homecoming

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weekend that we have every year. including this

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auction that we're covering in this episode.

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And I just wanted to talk to Courtney a little

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bit and get an overview of what the event is

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about and all the different moving parts. Hi,

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Courtney. Hi. Here I am. Thank you for being

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here. Sorry we didn't get to talk at the event.

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It was so crazy. And you had particularly crazy

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things going on. I did. Which I only point out

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because despite all of that, you still... were

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there for the community, which was amazing and

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like unnecessary, like, you know, like nobody

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would expect that of you, but it was also just

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like, it was amazing to see somebody juggle so

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many important things to them at once and do

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it successfully. So I'm proud of you. I appreciate

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that. It's because it's my only hobby. And so

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there's that. To that point, I feel that the

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community and Nucci's has given me so much and

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given me such a purpose that there was nowhere

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that I would rather be when I'm having a really

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hard time anyway. Yeah. You know, I've had some

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homecomings where I was going through some really

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rough stuff. I'm not really sure what would have

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happened if I didn't have those people at that

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time. It was really, really, you know, it was

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like it happened then because I was going to

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have the support system to help me kind of get

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through it. Exactly. So let's back up for a second.

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What is Heathens Homecoming, Drive -By Truckers

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Heathens Homecoming? What is the Nucci Space

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Auction? We've had Terry on. She told us a lot

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about the organization itself, but I want to

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talk specifically about this event. Sure. Okay.

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So Heathens Homecoming predates my involvement,

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obviously, as does the auction. But it's basically

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when our music community comes together for what

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is now four nights and sometimes more of hanging

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out and obviously seeing the drive -by truckers

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play. Of course, that's why we're there. But

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it has really become more of just like a huge

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community. like it's a homecoming. We're all

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coming together. This is when we get to see the

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people who get us, where we can be ourselves.

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And I don't know, there's something unique about

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our community. And attached to that is at the

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end, the culmination of it is our cookout and

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auction where for a few months we've been gathering

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items that the community would think is cool

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and want to bid on. to raise money for new cheese.

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And then of course, there's also like, we have

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the bake sale that's kind of evolved recently.

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The cookout has gotten a little bigger. And then

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we do like other little events throughout the

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week that have picked up steam as well. So we

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started, so it started out, my involvement, I

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don't know if you care about any of these details,

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but my involvement started when Hank was doing

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the cookout portion. It was really like two separate

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things that were just happening at the same time.

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And so, like, Hank was kind of dealing with the

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cookout portion, and I started helping him with

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that because we were moderating the group together.

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And then he kind of stepped out to start doing

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some other projects. And then, of course, he

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very rudely left this earthly plane. Yeah, it

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was really inconsiderate of him. It was. I did

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not. He left me all to myself. You miss him a

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lot. Hank Matthews is a wonderful person. Just

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shout out to him. Yeah, I miss Hank so much.

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I hope that he's really proud and excited of

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the evolution of what we've built on the back

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of what he's doing. We used to do a chili cook

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-off. That was hard to do, so we decided to do,

00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:08.750
like, a baking competition, and that's where

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the bake sale was born. One of the things that

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I think is so amazing over the years is, you

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know, it used to be that everybody would have

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to just bring something. And then over the years,

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like, Airbnb has become a thing over the last

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25 years. So, like, now a lot of people get Airbnbs.

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They have a full kitchen. They can actually bake

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something there in Athens. Yes. So I think there's

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a lot of things that have made it a little bit

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easier for our community to do these things,

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too. Why do you think Nucci's and the drive -by

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truckers have such a congruent kind of message?

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What do you see in that? Do you see, like, a

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connection there directly? Aside from, like,

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the actual connections that they have with Nucci

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Space. I mean, like, the philosophical connections.

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Yeah. To me, so I would say, you know, the Drive

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-By Truckers saved my life. And then Nucci's

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has saved the lives of the Drive -By Truckers

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in no, like, metaphorical terms. Like, that's

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true. That's true of me, and that's true of the

00:24:15.430 --> 00:24:20.730
members. And, yeah. And I think that, like, with

00:24:20.730 --> 00:24:24.049
our community, I don't know what, like, drug

00:24:24.049 --> 00:24:27.710
is in this band. They're just... solid, good

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people who are very vocal about, especially Patterson,

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their beliefs and where they stand in the world

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and creating this safe place that people who

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struggle and who I think most of our community

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is neurodivergent, struggle to find a place to

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fit in, struggle with anxiety and depression

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and mental illness. We all found each other,

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and Nucci Space serves in a professional capacity

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to those needs. And then Drive -By Truckers and

00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.839
Nucci's serve to the community aspect of those

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needs. So it feels natural that they're connected

00:25:06.019 --> 00:25:08.519
in that way. It almost feels like they're like

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the musical manifestation of what Nucci's is.

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For sure. In a lot of ways. So what are some

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of the biggest challenges that you think you've...

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aside from like the ones we've talked about this

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week and this year, but what are some of the

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challenges that you've had to figure out over

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the last few years? And, you know, and I mean,

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I'd love a success story of something that you,

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you know, maybe a problem that you were struggling

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to fix. And then all of a sudden now it's no

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longer a problem because you fixed it. It's hard

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to say because, so my background is in events.

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And so to me, There's always going to be something

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that comes up, whether that's in the planning

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or in the execution. And I'm so used to just

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not to like brag on myself, but I'm so used to

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just like problem solving in that moment that

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I'm never like, oh, my gosh, we overcame this

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huge problem. Because to me, it's like it presents

00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:10.680
itself. It's just part of the natural progression

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of things. So I don't I can't really name like

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a specific. thing that occurred that we've had

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to overcome the mainly it's like when the weather

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doesn't cooperate um when years with weather

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yeah so like yeah and last year like you know

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we had we needed heaters so the thing is is that

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no matter what need i have had in executing this

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or that my little team has had in executing this

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there's always someone or something in the community

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that fixes it, like within seconds. There's rarely

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an obstacle that we can't just pretty much overcome

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in the moment. The main thing has always been

00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:59.000
the funding for, I mean, we were in the beginning

00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.420
kind of paying out of pocket, the group of us

00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:06.359
to get the food going. And now I personally do

00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.220
not have a problem asking people to separate

00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:12.940
from their money. I love that. So I'm fine with

00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:15.680
saying like, hey, I need you to give me some

00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.359
money so I can buy the food for us to do this.

00:27:20.059 --> 00:27:22.500
That was the biggest thing is like not being

00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.500
afraid of the ask. And I am not. Give me your

00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:28.200
money. Send me your money. I'm going to use it

00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.079
for a good cause. And it used to be that we didn't

00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:33.299
have quite enough to make ends meet. And now

00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:36.920
I always am able to give what's left over. from

00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.880
my pot to new cheese, which is nice. Like this

00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.579
year I was able to give them just from the money

00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:47.279
I get for the food people, for the food and the

00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.220
supplies and like the paper products and all

00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:51.640
that stuff. I was able to give them over $800

00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.779
of like leftover money. That's after I bought

00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:58.559
everything. It hasn't always been that way. But

00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.319
I know we've raised like over $800 ,000 over

00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:03.819
the years and that's a very conservative estimate,

00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.099
but yeah. So One of the big focuses that New

00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:11.660
Cheese has is on mental health and suicide prevention

00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:16.359
and providing access to those resources to musicians

00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.900
in the community. I feel like the community,

00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.380
it goes back to what you were saying, we're all

00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:26.680
a bunch of neurodivergent people that don't fit

00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.759
in anywhere else. I've found this to be kind

00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.839
of universally true throughout our community.

00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.019
talking to all the other, you know, not just

00:28:36.019 --> 00:28:38.380
being here in, like, for the last seven years

00:28:38.380 --> 00:28:41.220
or whatever, but talking to them this weekend

00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:44.779
when we had the event, I think we all feel like

00:28:44.779 --> 00:28:50.720
we're out of place until we get there. Yeah.

00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.900
Absolutely. Everybody thinks, like, we go home

00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:56.660
and everybody thinks that, oh, well, Courtney

00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:58.740
must be the biggest Dropout Truckers fan in the

00:28:58.740 --> 00:29:02.980
universe. And I mean... No, I'm... gets it unless

00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:05.920
they get it. Yeah. Like I, I say all the time,

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.960
like I have a ton of friends. I'm like the, like

00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.720
the nerd online. It's like, I swear friends,

00:29:12.859 --> 00:29:16.640
they just live in Canada. Like I have so many

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:21.380
amazing people and very few of them were part

00:29:21.380 --> 00:29:25.000
of my life outside of the drive -by truckers.

00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:29.880
Like I truly found community here. And I think

00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.819
that We're all like that. And I used to joke

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:35.319
when I was in school that I was the queen of

00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.299
the misfits. That's always been my role. I've

00:29:38.299 --> 00:29:41.259
always been like the lady leader of like the

00:29:41.259 --> 00:29:45.319
outcasts. Those are my people. And then to find

00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.779
like this whole community where as an adult,

00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.420
I was still like, I didn't have really a solid

00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:56.079
group of people to find that as an adult when

00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.039
I started following them. was great because i

00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.940
think a lot of us feel like unworthy of whatever

00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:05.220
for whatever reasons we need to go to therapy

00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:08.539
and i still to this day i i'm like convinced

00:30:08.539 --> 00:30:10.799
everybody hates me and we talked about that before

00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.519
like i feel often like an imposter and like people

00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.700
are going to find out how very uncool i am um

00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:22.700
but then like everybody feels that way so it's

00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:27.380
nice so what do you look forward to every year

00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:32.509
about this event more than anything else um i

00:30:32.509 --> 00:30:36.809
don't know this is like i said this is my only

00:30:36.809 --> 00:30:40.509
hobby so this is like my it is my homecoming

00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:44.789
i mean it is the thing i do every year so like

00:30:44.789 --> 00:30:46.910
as soon as it ends i'm already thinking about

00:30:46.910 --> 00:30:51.150
it for next year it is the majority of everything

00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:57.299
and then like the saturday event and like seeing

00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:00.099
it all come together and like all the hard work

00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:02.980
that we've all done paying off and it always

00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:06.539
does even when it doesn't go the way that i want

00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:10.720
it to like it did this year it still always goes

00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.519
well and that's it to see all my friends and

00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.079
to have everybody like having a good time and

00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.819
like they're excited to see me like it's so nice

00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.660
to like, it's like cheers. Like everybody knows

00:31:25.660 --> 00:31:28.099
your name and they're always glad you came. And

00:31:28.099 --> 00:31:31.400
that's the only place I, I feel that way. Yeah.

00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:36.700
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think when there are other

00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:40.960
places that I feel that way, it's because it's

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.019
like the drive -by truckers community is like

00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:48.069
led over to it. Yeah, absolutely. Or there's

00:31:48.069 --> 00:31:50.829
just something that strongly resembles this other

00:31:50.829 --> 00:31:53.130
experience that I've already had. But it's always

00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:59.289
at least the basis for my comparison. How did

00:31:59.289 --> 00:32:04.329
you first get into this band? So my sweet now

00:32:04.329 --> 00:32:08.650
husband has been a fan since high school, which

00:32:08.650 --> 00:32:13.849
we graduated in 2004. And so when he and I started

00:32:13.849 --> 00:32:18.599
dating... He made me a mix CD, which is very

00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.619
cute and is easily the way to get me. For the

00:32:21.619 --> 00:32:24.200
kids out there, a mix CD is like a playlist,

00:32:24.380 --> 00:32:26.579
but you would put it onto a physical piece of

00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:29.359
music. But you put it on a physical media that

00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.319
I then put in my car. So he made me that, and

00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:37.059
I was really into some of the songs. I wasn't

00:32:37.059 --> 00:32:39.299
like crazy bought in or anything, but I was like,

00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.700
hey, I really enjoy this. But then I... For him,

00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:48.480
because he's such a fan, I was into, like, the

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:50.700
media scene when I was in college. And I was

00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:53.299
friends with one of the, like, local radio station

00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:57.779
guys. And he had tickets that he was giving away

00:32:57.779 --> 00:33:02.720
as they do. And so I called up and I won the

00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.640
tickets to go see our first Drive -By Trucker

00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.740
show at the Tabernacle. And, I mean, it. That

00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:11.640
was it for me. The immediate community that I

00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.660
felt among people I did not know. There were

00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:17.099
women at the front who they were like, oh, this

00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:19.099
is your first show. And they dragged me up to

00:33:19.099 --> 00:33:21.539
the rail. They were asking me who's my favorite.

00:33:21.619 --> 00:33:24.099
And I'm like, I don't even know who these people

00:33:24.099 --> 00:33:28.299
are. Like, I don't know. That one's cool. I like

00:33:28.299 --> 00:33:31.079
this. I like this one's voice. I like that one's

00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.920
jeans. You know, just. But from that moment on,

00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:38.970
I was. like this is amazing. And then we went

00:33:38.970 --> 00:33:41.690
to homecoming that year for the first time and

00:33:41.690 --> 00:33:43.849
we didn't know anybody. We just kind of wandered

00:33:43.849 --> 00:33:46.069
around. We went to the new cheese space thing.

00:33:46.589 --> 00:33:49.549
There was like a seafood boil or some kind of

00:33:49.549 --> 00:33:52.509
weirdness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. Yeah.

00:33:52.529 --> 00:33:55.069
Yeah. I, that was either the first or the second

00:33:55.069 --> 00:33:57.069
year that we went, but we only went one day.

00:33:57.089 --> 00:33:59.130
And then, then we were like, we can't just do,

00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:00.990
we have to come back again, but we can't just

00:34:00.990 --> 00:34:03.950
do one day. And so then the next year we did

00:34:03.950 --> 00:34:07.670
two and then. Somewhere around there, I became

00:34:07.670 --> 00:34:11.429
the moderator by accident. I did not choose this

00:34:11.429 --> 00:34:16.630
life. It literally chose me. And I don't know.

00:34:16.650 --> 00:34:20.610
I'm just a joiner and I'm a fixer and I'm a take

00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:23.710
control kind of girl. And so if I see a need

00:34:23.710 --> 00:34:26.010
or a place I can fill in, I'm just going to do

00:34:26.010 --> 00:34:28.570
that. And it just really snowballed. And now

00:34:28.570 --> 00:34:32.750
look at what's happening. I don't know. Yeah,

00:34:32.849 --> 00:34:34.909
I mean, I think we're approaching raising a million

00:34:34.909 --> 00:34:37.429
dollars for Nucci Space over the years. That's

00:34:37.429 --> 00:34:40.469
incredible. Courtney, thank you so much for joining

00:34:40.469 --> 00:34:42.030
me. Is there anything else you want to share

00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:46.369
about the event before we go? Just I need everybody

00:34:46.369 --> 00:34:50.269
to show up next year. And also, please volunteer.

00:34:50.769 --> 00:34:55.909
And if you volunteer, then actually do it. Yeah,

00:34:56.010 --> 00:34:57.829
don't make commitments you can't keep, y 'all.

00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:01.179
Please don't do that to me. Thank you so much,

00:35:01.179 --> 00:35:04.039
Courtney. I really appreciate being here. Yeah,

00:35:04.099 --> 00:35:09.980
thank you. We're here at the annual Nucci Space

00:35:09.980 --> 00:35:13.079
Heathens Homecoming Auction. How did you first

00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.719
get involved with this? I decided after going

00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.880
to a few trucker shows that I wanted to try to

00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:24.630
go to homecoming, and I came by myself. and just

00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:27.150
saw on the Facebook group that there were events

00:35:27.150 --> 00:35:29.650
and tried to go to as many of them as I could.

00:35:29.849 --> 00:35:32.889
Did you know anybody when you came? I knew two

00:35:32.889 --> 00:35:39.110
people vaguely, and I just am the kind of person

00:35:39.110 --> 00:35:41.369
that when somebody says we need help doing this,

00:35:41.489 --> 00:35:43.789
I said I didn't have anything else going on because

00:35:43.789 --> 00:35:47.789
I was by myself. So I showed up here to volunteer

00:35:47.789 --> 00:35:51.389
on my first homecoming, and now I do it every

00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:54.679
year. And by the way, this is Anna. She's been

00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:56.460
coming to Heathens Homecoming. This is your fourth

00:35:56.460 --> 00:36:01.300
year. Yeah. And you, one thing I've talked about

00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:03.559
on this podcast before is that this community

00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.880
is kind of like, the analogy for it is like how

00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.860
we all regenerate ourselves completely every

00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:14.610
seven years, but we still remain ourselves. There's

00:36:14.610 --> 00:36:17.750
been elements of this community that are no longer

00:36:17.750 --> 00:36:19.929
with us for one reason or another. And then we

00:36:19.929 --> 00:36:23.510
also constantly have new people joining and keeping

00:36:23.510 --> 00:36:27.309
all of the things going that need to be going.

00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:30.369
And in fact, we raise more money every year than

00:36:30.369 --> 00:36:33.389
the year before for Nucci Space. How did you

00:36:33.389 --> 00:36:35.949
first get into the drive -by truckers? My husband

00:36:35.949 --> 00:36:39.690
was a fan for a really long time. And so he...

00:36:40.269 --> 00:36:42.329
He just played me their music. I can't even remember

00:36:42.329 --> 00:36:44.949
when it was at this point, but he's from the

00:36:44.949 --> 00:36:50.250
General Shoals area. And so he was into it because

00:36:50.250 --> 00:36:54.730
it was the sound of home. And I'm originally

00:36:54.730 --> 00:36:58.610
from Alabama, so it just played right into my

00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:01.750
interests and what I felt like the South was

00:37:01.750 --> 00:37:05.630
represented, or the South that I know. So I just

00:37:05.630 --> 00:37:09.380
got hooked. Yeah, yeah. When you first came to

00:37:09.380 --> 00:37:12.820
Homecoming and you hardly knew anybody, how quickly

00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:17.039
did you make new friends? Oh, basically immediately.

00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:23.340
I have a friend, Emily, who was also in her first

00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:26.320
Homecoming. And she didn't know anyone either.

00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:29.480
She came from way further away than I did. And

00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.940
we found each other in the crowd and just got

00:37:31.940 --> 00:37:34.780
to talking before the show started. And I think

00:37:34.780 --> 00:37:38.539
we went to breakfast the next day. But, you know,

00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:40.960
the Heathens are such a welcoming group and they

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.340
look out for you. And now these are your friends

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:48.199
year round. Yeah. I talk to Heathens every single

00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.960
day and we go on trips together and we just do

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.739
life together. One thing that I've found when

00:37:54.739 --> 00:37:57.800
I'm like around my friends that aren't super

00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.860
tapped into this community is they think that

00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:06.039
I'm like super unique or like an anomaly. or

00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.519
something like that. Have you found that experience?

00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.260
Yes, 100%. But then when you get here, there's

00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:13.920
like 500 other people just like us, right? Right,

00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.780
right. Yeah, it makes the, I don't know if I'd

00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:19.619
call it a sickness of going to shows all the

00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:22.559
time because if that's sick, I'm pretty into

00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.780
it. Yeah, yeah. But it's really hard to explain

00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:27.960
to people. People don't... They don't get it.

00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:31.599
Yeah, I guess I kind of equate it to, I'll tell

00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.639
people it's similar to a Grateful Dead. kind

00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.519
of following. Yeah. And that at least gives them

00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.860
something to reference. But no, family, friends,

00:38:40.940 --> 00:38:44.300
they all are very confused by it. And I make

00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:46.840
that comparison a lot. How do you think it differs

00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:48.960
from that community? And I don't know a whole

00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.500
lot about that community myself, but one thing

00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:56.159
I think is that the meaningfulness of the stuff,

00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:57.960
like the meaning behind the Drive -By Truckers

00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.800
songs attracts a very... like -minded like politically

00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.159
group of people whereas i think with the dead

00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.400
it was more of a lifestyle yeah kind of being

00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.800
attracted to what's your kind of thoughts i mean

00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.599
i definitely agree with that um i i won't claim

00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.019
i won't claim to be an expert i won't claim to

00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:19.239
be an expert on the grateful dead or or their

00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.519
community but i think some of it's also that

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.380
they interact differently truckers they are going

00:39:26.380 --> 00:39:29.320
to interact with you the fact that we have these

00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.219
sort of events here where we get to meet people

00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:35.920
in the band and that they bring other bands along

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.639
with them yeah and that specifically for homecoming

00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.260
that like this is serves a purpose to support

00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:44.679
new cheese what are some of the bands that you've

00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.579
gotten into because of homecoming pretty much

00:39:48.579 --> 00:39:52.840
everything i always try to do my homework ahead

00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.480
of homecoming and kind of know what I'm getting

00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.900
into. But also like the Dial Back Sound Showcase.

00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:01.920
Obviously some of those bands have gone on to

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.179
open at the actual homecoming concerts. So Thelma

00:40:07.179 --> 00:40:11.579
and The Sleaze was a huge one. That comes right

00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:14.400
off hand. I was already a Dexateens fan, but

00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.590
you know that. they're legends yeah the first

00:40:17.590 --> 00:40:20.090
time i saw the dexateens was it was actually

00:40:20.090 --> 00:40:22.170
before matt joined the band but they were opening

00:40:22.170 --> 00:40:26.070
for the truckers so it was it was a long time

00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:29.010
ago but yeah it's always great when they come

00:40:29.010 --> 00:40:31.809
to town um is there anything else you'd like

00:40:31.809 --> 00:40:33.829
to share about this community before we move

00:40:33.829 --> 00:40:38.469
on i mean it's just the most welcoming group

00:40:38.469 --> 00:40:41.809
of people and i my life would be completely different

00:40:41.809 --> 00:40:44.289
if i didn't have it Thank you so much, Anna.

00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:47.210
I feel the same way. Like this is this is like

00:40:47.210 --> 00:40:50.750
the backbone of my happiness. And this is this

00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:52.750
is the thing I look forward to every year. So

00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:54.369
thanks for being a part of making it happen.

00:40:54.469 --> 00:40:58.329
And thanks for being here. Yeah, thanks. That's

00:40:58.329 --> 00:41:02.489
my stage name. So and I'll go and I've talked

00:41:02.489 --> 00:41:04.809
about this before on the podcast. I started performing

00:41:04.809 --> 00:41:08.780
stand up comedy in virtual reality. Wow. And

00:41:08.780 --> 00:41:12.820
so I was performing sometimes under like my online

00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:16.199
gamer name and sometimes in person is my real

00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.960
name. And I'm like, I got to pick one. So I did.

00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.300
There's a lot less. It is. Yeah. Yeah. And it's

00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:25.159
like it's a made up name. Like it's not a real

00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:27.340
name in any way. So like, you know, I never have

00:41:27.340 --> 00:41:29.079
to put a number behind it or anything like that.

00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.980
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we get all the accounts.

00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:36.820
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I'm here with

00:41:36.820 --> 00:41:39.599
Nancy. I'm just doing first names here, but you

00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.059
can share your last name if you'd like, because

00:41:41.059 --> 00:41:43.900
I know you also have a publication called Mundane

00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:46.400
Mayhem. I do, and I'm a journalist, so my name's

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.400
a lot of places. Well, yeah, go ahead, Nancy

00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.880
Einhardt. So how many times have you been to

00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.079
Heathens Homecoming? I've only been my first

00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.460
year. Awesome. But I've seen drive -by truckers.

00:42:00.029 --> 00:42:02.849
about i think now this trip will make it like

00:42:02.849 --> 00:42:05.730
50 times oh yeah yeah so i've seen them all over

00:42:05.730 --> 00:42:07.650
the country but never came to this before but

00:42:07.650 --> 00:42:10.210
it's just it's been such a lovely experience

00:42:10.210 --> 00:42:12.510
how did you first get into the drive -by truckers

00:42:12.510 --> 00:42:16.730
um i was a music journalist back in the day um

00:42:16.730 --> 00:42:19.829
and i think i got a decoration day oh no i didn't

00:42:19.829 --> 00:42:22.170
get it to with you i bought it so i was going

00:42:22.170 --> 00:42:24.389
to but I was getting a lot of CDs to review.

00:42:24.670 --> 00:42:26.730
So I would like go to Amoeba Music and I would

00:42:26.730 --> 00:42:28.550
trade a bunch of CDs and then buy a bunch of

00:42:28.550 --> 00:42:31.309
CDs. So I had like heard the name and I don't

00:42:31.309 --> 00:42:33.190
know, maybe, I don't even know how I first heard

00:42:33.190 --> 00:42:35.750
of them. But I was like, oh, maybe I'll seek

00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:37.849
this out. So the first album that I ever heard

00:42:37.849 --> 00:42:41.409
was Separation Day and I like immediately fell

00:42:41.409 --> 00:42:43.130
for it. And I was kind of like, I can't believe

00:42:43.130 --> 00:42:45.670
it took me so long to, I think the name turned

00:42:45.670 --> 00:42:48.090
me off a little bit. I gotcha, yeah. I thought

00:42:48.090 --> 00:42:49.849
it was kind of a dumb name. Were you into like

00:42:49.849 --> 00:42:52.730
Southern music? before no i've just always been

00:42:52.730 --> 00:42:55.769
really into rock and roll yeah same so i think

00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:58.550
um maybe the southerness of it actually at first

00:42:58.550 --> 00:43:01.269
turned me off because i was i had left the south

00:43:01.269 --> 00:43:03.190
and i'd gone to school in chicago and i was trying

00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:06.510
really hard not to be stereotyped as a person

00:43:06.510 --> 00:43:08.510
from the south yeah now i embrace it proudly

00:43:08.510 --> 00:43:10.980
i think You know, what you're talking about is

00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:12.980
kind of what Patterson is talking about on the

00:43:12.980 --> 00:43:15.300
Southern Rock Opera, right? And I think I had

00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:17.280
a very similar experience, right? Like, I grew

00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.920
up in the South. I think we both grew up in the

00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.920
Florida Panhandle. So very much like top 40 countries

00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.400
shoved down my throat and like that kind of thing.

00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.599
And a lot of, especially like in the 90s, in

00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.860
the early 2000s, like there wasn't a lot of like

00:43:32.860 --> 00:43:35.719
good. country music on the radio or anything

00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.599
like that so i felt like everything i was exposed

00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.000
to growing up that was country was not exactly

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.940
really good yeah and i think um patterson has

00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:48.400
that line about he grew up rebelling against

00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.699
the music in his high school parking lot and

00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:52.460
i was definitely that too exactly my high school

00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:56.099
parking lot was all like the bad country exactly

00:43:56.099 --> 00:44:00.559
yeah no i relate to that 100 and I metaphorically

00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.960
left the South, musically. Like, I just ignored,

00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:04.760
like, a lot of Southern music for a really long

00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:06.980
time. And it was the Northern Mississippi All

00:44:06.980 --> 00:44:08.719
-Stars and the drive -by truckers that, like,

00:44:08.739 --> 00:44:11.960
really brought me back into it. So, cool. Tell

00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.940
me about your publication, Mundane Mayhem. Yeah,

00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.760
thanks. So Monday Mayhem is a newsletter all

00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.079
about drive -by truckers. So Monday Mayhem is

00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.000
a newsletter all about drive -by truckers. It

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.079
comes out weekly and I have a number of different

00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.559
like recurring features that I do. One is an

00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.000
interview with a fan, which is very popular and

00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.039
really fun for me. I just get to spend like half

00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.460
an hour a day when I could be doing other work

00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:37.559
to stalk your fans. And then I also do like essays

00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.000
about individual songs or like sort of themes

00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.239
that I find in their music. Can you give me an

00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.380
example of like one of your favorite? like theme

00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:46.719
essays that you've done? Yeah. So one of my favorite

00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.760
ones, this is kind of dark, but it's okay. This

00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.860
is a dark ass podcast. One of my favorite ones

00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:55.719
was a personal story about my mom's grandfather

00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.800
who shot himself. And so I used that as a starting

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.599
point and talked about loaded gun in the closet

00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.300
and when the pain hits the shell, as well as.

00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.679
do -it -yourself thank you that other song uh

00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.679
yeah and so because there's usually like do -it

00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.159
-yourself and when the pin hits the shelf they're

00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.539
about the same guy yeah and i think like even

00:45:14.539 --> 00:45:16.639
if you don't personally know and well i guess

00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:17.920
it's actually really appropriate that you're

00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.340
in youtube space even if you know i think most

00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:23.099
everybody knows the one who has died by suicide

00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:26.780
or an analog, like, drinking themselves to death.

00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:29.519
Yeah, yeah. It was a really... Some people do

00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.059
it quickly, some people do it slowly. Right,

00:45:31.059 --> 00:45:32.539
that's right. And I just always thought that

00:45:32.539 --> 00:45:34.699
both those songs together were, like, such a

00:45:34.699 --> 00:45:39.519
realistic, poignant perspective on suicide, and

00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.460
that they both take, like, really opposite approaches.

00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.380
So that one was really nice, and, you know, I

00:45:45.380 --> 00:45:47.659
kind of got to explore my own, like, family history

00:45:47.659 --> 00:45:50.159
a little bit and, you know, dig into that sort

00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.420
of storytelling, that, like, family storytelling,

00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:54.730
which I really enjoyed. Yeah, I think sometimes

00:45:54.730 --> 00:45:59.309
they're so specific. It's universal. What do

00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:03.469
you think exploring things like that helps you?

00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:06.150
I mean, I don't know, emotionally, mentally.

00:46:07.489 --> 00:46:10.179
Is there a component of that for you? is a little

00:46:10.179 --> 00:46:13.019
bit, I think some of it is, I wouldn't say it's

00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:14.880
like working through my own trauma or issues,

00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:16.639
but I think one of the things that's always really

00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.260
important to me, both as a journalist and as

00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:21.920
a human, is like being a good friend. It's like

00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.480
one of the things that I would hope people say

00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.920
about me when I die. And so I think the more

00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.760
than I can explore those kind of universal, maybe,

00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.900
or, you know, widespread human experiences, the

00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:34.739
more of a, like a good human that I can be, right?

00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.519
The more that I can relate to other people and

00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.119
what they're going through. I always say I'm

00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.019
one of those people that people just tell stuff

00:46:41.019 --> 00:46:44.079
to. And I think it's because I try to put out

00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.639
there that I'm emotionally open and not judgy.

00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.579
And so it all kind of fits in with the kind of

00:46:49.579 --> 00:46:52.360
human that I want to be. Yeah, yeah. I think

00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.440
there's a lot of life lessons in their music

00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.360
in general. But like anything, it can be misinterpreted

00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.619
sometimes, too. And we've seen that. But I think

00:47:02.619 --> 00:47:05.739
it's... It's gotten a lot. It's a lot different

00:47:05.739 --> 00:47:11.800
than he used to be so Well, you know They can

00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.519
only ignore the like the morals and the politics

00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.920
for so long, you know The three guitars can only

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:22.679
drown that shit out for so long Well, so what

00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.619
do you what do you think of your first homecoming

00:47:24.619 --> 00:47:27.940
experience tell me about it It's funny because

00:47:27.940 --> 00:47:30.320
I was looking forward to it so much that I kind

00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.900
of forgot there were gonna be concerts but we

00:47:35.900 --> 00:47:38.000
have a lot of events around this weekend too

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.059
it's it's kind of it's a lot it's busy It feels

00:47:41.059 --> 00:47:43.260
like people in my life who don't really know

00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:45.000
who Drive -By Truckers are. Well, that's not

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.420
true. They all know who Drive -By Truckers are

00:47:46.420 --> 00:47:49.000
because they know me. Right, exactly. We can't

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.239
keep our mouths shut or something. Our fan base

00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.780
is very evangelical about their music. And I'm

00:47:56.780 --> 00:47:59.260
also a big fan of the whole city, and they are

00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:01.460
the same way. It's like two people are just obsessed,

00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:04.900
including myself. So I've been telling people

00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:07.380
who don't really know what this is that it's

00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:10.190
like a Drive -By Truckers music festival. because

00:48:10.190 --> 00:48:13.190
that's the closest or like a convention it's

00:48:13.190 --> 00:48:15.829
like a crossover yeah it's like our comic -con

00:48:15.829 --> 00:48:19.510
um yeah yeah i've never really thought about

00:48:19.510 --> 00:48:21.130
it that way but that's a really good analogy

00:48:21.130 --> 00:48:23.869
yeah we all wear like our little costumes and

00:48:23.869 --> 00:48:25.869
merch and stuff i love that i love that yeah

00:48:25.869 --> 00:48:28.070
that's great i think it's become like more and

00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:31.010
more like that everything totally yeah and you

00:48:31.010 --> 00:48:32.929
know i think it's one thing i like about this

00:48:32.929 --> 00:48:34.989
fan base that's been really really evident this

00:48:34.989 --> 00:48:39.099
week is um it's like so open and welcoming. So

00:48:39.099 --> 00:48:40.480
yeah, people are going to have a name tag on

00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:42.340
that says, hey, I've been to 16 of these, but

00:48:42.340 --> 00:48:43.579
they're never going to be like, oh, you've only

00:48:43.579 --> 00:48:46.000
been to one. Right. Like a judgy group. Exactly,

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.619
yeah. And like, I'm, as I've said before, I'm

00:48:50.619 --> 00:48:53.619
from the South. I am used to the politeness that

00:48:53.619 --> 00:48:57.199
is sort of inherent to the South, but like the

00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.269
warmth. and, like, kindness that I've experienced

00:49:00.269 --> 00:49:02.809
here is different from just, like, the Southern

00:49:02.809 --> 00:49:05.309
nice. Well, that politeness a lot of times is,

00:49:05.349 --> 00:49:12.409
like, it's, like, side -eyed. Yeah, yeah. Horrible

00:49:12.409 --> 00:49:15.110
thing. Why would you write for it? Yeah, so I

00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:18.389
think the, like, my mom and I just kept saying,

00:49:18.429 --> 00:49:20.110
like, everybody's here so nice. But it's not,

00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:22.730
like, a fake nice. Right. Yeah, so that song

00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:24.829
felt really good. I think there's something about

00:49:24.829 --> 00:49:28.050
their music that just attracts. the right kind

00:49:28.050 --> 00:49:30.190
of people most of the time in their lyrics and

00:49:30.190 --> 00:49:32.449
things like that. So one thing I wanted to ask

00:49:32.449 --> 00:49:35.010
you as a music journalist, and I don't consider

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:37.650
myself a journalist, I'm a historian and I do

00:49:37.650 --> 00:49:39.969
more like oral history interviews and I don't

00:49:39.969 --> 00:49:45.409
really write much of anything about it. But I

00:49:45.409 --> 00:49:51.619
do try to remain somewhat objective. but how

00:49:51.619 --> 00:49:53.099
do you struggle with that when you're writing

00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:56.019
about like a band that you really love or something

00:49:56.019 --> 00:49:59.679
like that? It's funny because I recently interviewed

00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.639
this guy named Wright Thompson who's a sports

00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.659
writer from Mississippi and he's a really passionate

00:50:04.659 --> 00:50:07.659
music fan and I was like why did you decide to

00:50:07.659 --> 00:50:09.440
be a sports writer and not a music writer and

00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.699
he's like oh i could never be a objective music

00:50:12.699 --> 00:50:15.019
writer like i'm too passionate about music to

00:50:15.019 --> 00:50:18.039
really separate myself from it so for me i think

00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.380
partly it's like i was trained to be objective

00:50:20.380 --> 00:50:24.460
right and i think i've always um really been

00:50:24.460 --> 00:50:27.219
drawn to the art of like a personal essay or

00:50:27.219 --> 00:50:29.280
like an as told to or these sort of storytelling

00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.119
and it's been a long time with my digital school

00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.610
when i was trained the objective tell every side

00:50:35.610 --> 00:50:37.670
but it's been a really long time since i think

00:50:37.670 --> 00:50:40.630
that kind of journalism works i agree yeah so

00:50:40.630 --> 00:50:43.170
everyone's taking a side so like the good people

00:50:43.170 --> 00:50:45.610
need to take a side too and you know in terms

00:50:45.610 --> 00:50:49.070
of music i think i have been able to review albums

00:50:49.070 --> 00:50:51.570
that i didn't personally really like but i could

00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:53.489
tell that for what they were it was doing a good

00:50:53.489 --> 00:50:55.929
job of it yeah and i really respect people like

00:50:55.929 --> 00:50:58.090
i have i have a couple friends who are like really

00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:01.519
hardcore uh pro jam fans I'm not really approaching,

00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.840
but I like respect their level of hard core.

00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.820
Sure. I would say the same. Like not everything

00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:09.500
is for everybody. And I can sort of put myself

00:51:09.500 --> 00:51:11.239
in the shoes of other people and sort of what

00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:15.320
they are experiencing. Yeah. Couldn't give two

00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.719
shits about Taylor Swift, but I do like respect

00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.559
the level of faith. Is there anything else you'd

00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.539
like to share about this event before we wrap

00:51:23.539 --> 00:51:25.440
it up for today? I don't think so. I'm just glad

00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.539
to have met you and glad to have met some of

00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.400
the other cool people here. Well, I look forward

00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.900
to doing some collaborations with our publications

00:51:31.900 --> 00:51:34.760
in the future. So I'm here with Lorna. Lorna

00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:39.860
is an international traveling drive -by truckers

00:51:39.860 --> 00:51:42.460
fan who has been to Homecoming how many times

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:47.219
now? 14. 14. Yeah. And you come from where? Glasgow,

00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:49.559
Scotland. We literally have people from all over

00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.320
the world here, all over the country, all over

00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.579
the world. How did you first hear about the drive

00:51:53.579 --> 00:51:55.719
-by truckers to begin with, all the way over

00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.099
in Scotland? It was John, my husband, who found

00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:02.920
them. He was a great Leonard Skinner fan. When

00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.920
Southern Rock Opera came out, he thought, who

00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.869
is this ripping off Skinner? So he had to investigate.

00:52:13.829 --> 00:52:17.250
And so he originally investigated because he

00:52:17.250 --> 00:52:22.670
was concerned. Well, perhaps, yeah. But he ended

00:52:22.670 --> 00:52:25.449
up loving it. Yes. Oh, yes. And then they did

00:52:25.449 --> 00:52:28.610
some UK tours. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's how

00:52:28.610 --> 00:52:30.570
you first got to see them live, right? Yeah,

00:52:30.610 --> 00:52:33.809
2002 was the first time we saw them live. Yeah.

00:52:34.250 --> 00:52:38.400
And when was your first homecoming? 2010. Yeah,

00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.840
I think that was my first as well. Oh, okay.

00:52:40.900 --> 00:52:45.920
Yeah. Yep. The big to -do. Yes, that's right.

00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.619
That's right. So... But we met you after that.

00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.079
Not too long after that. Yeah, not too long after

00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.659
that. You can come on. Come on over here, Jay.

00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.820
You're all good. No, come on over here. my god

00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:02.559
yes no you're so good i just i was looking over

00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.480
and then i saw that so uh jay gonzalez has been

00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.019
on the podcast before we're uh he's of course

00:53:09.019 --> 00:53:12.199
the multi -instrumentalist swiss army knife of

00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:17.000
the drive -by truckers yes um and yeah into videos

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.199
i'm so sorry no you're no you're welcome you're

00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.360
welcome we're just talking about this event here

00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.179
at new cheese and and uh the the auction that

00:53:24.179 --> 00:53:26.769
happens every year and talking to some of the

00:53:26.769 --> 00:53:29.530
really hardcore fans and one thing we talked

00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:32.110
about when you were is i felt like you kind of

00:53:32.110 --> 00:53:35.010
became like a liaison to the fans when you joined

00:53:35.010 --> 00:53:37.570
uh and and you're just you've always been super

00:53:37.570 --> 00:53:40.949
open and accessible and easy to talk to and um

00:53:40.949 --> 00:53:44.449
and i just so thank you yeah no i think i came

00:53:44.449 --> 00:53:46.630
into it late in the game so you know what i mean

00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:50.269
it's like i think i was coming in you know you're

00:53:50.269 --> 00:53:54.210
a fan for before I joined but like yeah but I

00:53:54.210 --> 00:53:56.469
think it was kind of a I got to know everybody

00:53:56.469 --> 00:54:00.050
as a time yeah I love it yeah yeah did you join

00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:04.889
2008 and I'm a yeah you and John it's like the

00:54:04.889 --> 00:54:06.809
first time I went to Europe yeah in Scotland

00:54:06.809 --> 00:54:10.650
which would have been 2009 or 10 maybe thereabouts

00:54:10.650 --> 00:54:13.889
2009 maybe nine right yeah yeah yeah I think

00:54:13.889 --> 00:54:18.940
2009 yes yeah and 2011 was The next time. The

00:54:18.940 --> 00:54:20.880
really big one I should be sharing. Yeah, right,

00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:22.980
right. Yeah, that's right. Right, so yeah, no,

00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:26.420
it's, I love it, and I love the space, and it's

00:54:26.420 --> 00:54:31.159
great. Lorna, what are some of the things that

00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.039
you've taken away from this experience over the

00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:35.739
years? Like, this has become like a staple of

00:54:35.739 --> 00:54:39.179
your social life and everything, right? Yeah.

00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.059
How does that, like, can you even imagine your

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:46.800
life without this weekend? No. Yeah, I can't

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.880
either. I can't either. I mean, obviously we

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.000
come for the band, but it is definitely the people.

00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.500
To me, that's the sort of friends, you guys.

00:54:56.780 --> 00:55:00.579
The amount of friends. And obviously that's eight

00:55:00.579 --> 00:55:04.340
years I've been coming on my own. But I know

00:55:04.340 --> 00:55:07.239
there's plenty of people that take care of me.

00:55:08.420 --> 00:55:11.940
And, you know, we all... really rallied we all

00:55:11.940 --> 00:55:14.280
really loved you and john and i felt like the

00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.460
community really rallied around yeah definitely

00:55:16.460 --> 00:55:18.719
to help you through that when that's true yeah

00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.539
do you is there anything you'd like to talk about

00:55:20.539 --> 00:55:23.719
with that at all if not that's fine but Oh, no,

00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.920
I mean, he absolutely loved DBT as well, obviously.

00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.019
He started to get worried when I started to learn

00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:34.099
the songs and know more about them. He was like,

00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.719
no, you're getting into this too much. He dragged

00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:42.280
you into it. But now you can't be kept away.

00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:48.480
Oh, no. And tonight is my 123rd show. Oh, my

00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.099
goodness. That's amazing. That's fantastic. Especially,

00:55:52.460 --> 00:55:56.500
like, One, two, three. One, two, three. I mean,

00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:59.420
that's amazing. Cause like, you guys don't play

00:55:59.420 --> 00:56:03.280
overseas that often. It was like a moment in,

00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.559
I guess, 2012, like 11, that we did that big

00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.900
tour. And then we went back a few times and we

00:56:08.900 --> 00:56:10.800
actually like had equipment over there, staying

00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:12.679
there. And it looked like we were going to kind

00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.539
of be. doing it more and then for whatever reason

00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:17.840
you know just we just kind of stopped going back

00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:22.260
as much yeah COVID probably COVID yeah COVID

00:56:22.260 --> 00:56:25.780
it was weird even like yeah around 2015 2016

00:56:25.780 --> 00:56:28.539
it slowed it was weird yeah and I hate you know

00:56:28.539 --> 00:56:30.699
I always love going over there but you did just

00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:33.570
go over there with Patterson yeah Is there anything

00:56:33.570 --> 00:56:35.969
exciting that happened over there? Oh, yeah,

00:56:35.989 --> 00:56:38.650
it was great. I mean, we got to play at this

00:56:38.650 --> 00:56:42.210
beautiful church, Union Chapel in London. Have

00:56:42.210 --> 00:56:44.590
you been there? Yeah. Oh, Lord. It's like, I

00:56:44.590 --> 00:56:48.469
mean, it's a chapel and they have, you know,

00:56:48.489 --> 00:56:50.710
the huge organ and everything. But I think they

00:56:50.710 --> 00:56:53.409
had a piano there and it was just beautiful.

00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:57.170
That was the night we met Shannon Dave. Oh. It

00:56:57.170 --> 00:57:01.420
was Patterson, Will Johnson and... Craig Finn.

00:57:01.579 --> 00:57:03.599
Oh, really? That was when you met Sean and David?

00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:06.460
Uh -huh. Yeah. Was it earlier than that? No,

00:57:06.579 --> 00:57:10.320
no. 2012. I'm sure that was. I forgot that tour

00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.059
was that long ago. Yeah. I know. Wild. That's

00:57:14.059 --> 00:57:16.420
great. I was so glad to see them over there this

00:57:16.420 --> 00:57:20.420
time. Yeah. Yeah. Glasgow. Which was also Glasgow.

00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:22.699
There was another church. We were not like in

00:57:22.699 --> 00:57:26.079
the... churchy basement or something yeah yeah

00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.159
which i kind of love though that was great you

00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.239
know yeah it used to be a church though yeah

00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.940
it was yeah pretty good i loved that show that

00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:35.059
was awesome yeah and yeah the shows are great

00:57:35.059 --> 00:57:37.820
it was uh traveling was a little hairy because

00:57:37.820 --> 00:57:40.380
we had like I had a keyboard on wheels, and he

00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:42.679
had a guitar case on wheels, and we're not the

00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.460
best travelers by ourselves. We were on the train,

00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.599
and we got yelled at in the quiet car. It was

00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:51.519
pretty funny. We almost missed the train sometimes.

00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.780
Patterson being loud, I can't imagine. It was

00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:57.019
like we were showing each other memes and stuff,

00:57:57.179 --> 00:57:58.659
and then it was like two people at once were

00:57:58.659 --> 00:58:03.460
just like, shut up. And it was like, it was in,

00:58:03.500 --> 00:58:06.699
you know, I think it was, was it in Amsterdam?

00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.550
It was. it was maybe grown again it was it was

00:58:09.550 --> 00:58:11.190
they were very serious and it was understandable

00:58:11.190 --> 00:58:13.610
because it was early in the morning and then

00:58:13.610 --> 00:58:15.630
we moved to another car like we hadn't had their

00:58:15.630 --> 00:58:22.750
coffee but yeah it was a great time yeah i loved

00:58:22.750 --> 00:58:26.269
it um just i like doing that because it's very

00:58:26.269 --> 00:58:28.269
much his show but it's like it's like almost

00:58:28.269 --> 00:58:31.429
like a cabaret yeah you know he could kind of

00:58:31.429 --> 00:58:35.300
just do whatever it's sort of it's i love it

00:58:35.300 --> 00:58:38.280
you know it's great yeah you know so the last

00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.800
thing i wanted to ask you jay you've been in

00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.519
the athens music community for a very long time

00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.420
and this whole weekend is about nucci space can

00:58:47.420 --> 00:58:49.760
you talk a little bit about what nucci space

00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.940
has done for the athens music community and yeah

00:58:52.940 --> 00:58:55.820
i mean i can't really it's almost unquantifiable

00:58:55.820 --> 00:58:59.250
you know it's a real word but they it's done

00:58:59.250 --> 00:59:01.690
so much since you know i moved here right before

00:59:01.690 --> 00:59:05.309
it started about a year before and the thing

00:59:05.309 --> 00:59:07.690
was at first you know there was nothing like

00:59:07.690 --> 00:59:09.670
and we didn't know what it was and really didn't

00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:11.969
know anything about it in any other city or anything

00:59:11.969 --> 00:59:13.789
like that you know i know there was maybe something

00:59:13.789 --> 00:59:16.090
previous in austin or something but but it was

00:59:16.429 --> 00:59:18.769
It was initially we were all excited because

00:59:18.769 --> 00:59:21.409
there were practice spaces for cheap, you know,

00:59:21.409 --> 00:59:24.250
for that. And it was a kind of a genius move

00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:26.730
of bringing people into the fold, you know, because

00:59:26.730 --> 00:59:30.010
I think I would have taken a lot longer to kind

00:59:30.010 --> 00:59:32.050
of realize how great it was and to get involved

00:59:32.050 --> 00:59:34.329
because I've never been like going to community

00:59:34.329 --> 00:59:36.670
stuff. I've always kind of just been a homebody

00:59:36.670 --> 00:59:38.789
and and then, you know, the playing your band

00:59:38.789 --> 00:59:40.730
and you do the thing. But it was like we started

00:59:40.730 --> 00:59:43.539
practicing here and then you see what it. There's,

00:59:43.539 --> 00:59:46.460
you know, before I had insurance, you can get

00:59:46.460 --> 00:59:50.739
the doctors, dentists and therapy. And, you know,

00:59:50.820 --> 00:59:55.099
it's great. Yeah, it's amazing. And then about

00:59:55.099 --> 00:59:56.840
four or five years into it is when I started

00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:01.760
realizing it and how great it was. And then,

01:00:01.900 --> 01:00:03.599
yeah, joining the band, obviously, it's sort

01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.179
of stepped it up with performing and doing these

01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:08.199
and everything. But and it's also like people

01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.570
I just, you know. Bob Sleppy played in a band

01:00:10.570 --> 01:00:12.849
called Michael and I played his band Love Apple

01:00:12.849 --> 01:00:14.949
when we first moved here. So I knew him before

01:00:14.949 --> 01:00:18.570
it even, you know, and so someone like that sort

01:00:18.570 --> 01:00:22.190
of along with Linda running it and just over

01:00:22.190 --> 01:00:24.329
the years. Do you think this is your forever

01:00:24.329 --> 01:00:26.670
home here? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're not. We

01:00:26.670 --> 01:00:28.289
actually, funnily enough, we're talking about

01:00:28.289 --> 01:00:30.349
it, me and Katie. We live in Forest Heights,

01:00:30.429 --> 01:00:32.590
a neighborhood. It's a really cool neighborhood.

01:00:33.090 --> 01:00:35.150
Like not cool, like a hip neighborhood, but like

01:00:35.150 --> 01:00:37.599
a nice. i don't know it's just that it's where

01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.539
townies go to retire yeah yeah it's like affordable

01:00:40.539 --> 01:00:44.179
and um really nice and quiet and so yeah you

01:00:44.179 --> 01:00:46.199
know yeah that's what you want there for you

01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.619
know i don't want to go anywhere you know and

01:00:48.619 --> 01:00:50.960
people always ask me and i'm always you know

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.079
i'm often stuck for answers like what's your

01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:55.579
favorite album what's it like yesterday when

01:00:55.579 --> 01:00:58.449
they asked sloan and me about like what power

01:00:58.449 --> 01:01:00.150
pop bands would you suggest and we both looked

01:01:00.150 --> 01:01:03.650
at each other before the interview we were like

01:01:03.650 --> 01:01:05.710
both like i can never answer that question i

01:01:05.710 --> 01:01:07.869
go blank and yeah no patterns in those two and

01:01:07.869 --> 01:01:10.610
uh and so that's how i feel like when they're

01:01:10.610 --> 01:01:11.909
like where in the world you've been all these

01:01:11.909 --> 01:01:14.010
places and and it's crazy i mean they've been

01:01:14.010 --> 01:01:15.809
amazing places but there's never been a place

01:01:15.809 --> 01:01:18.289
where i'm like oh this is where yeah you know

01:01:18.289 --> 01:01:20.409
okay we gotta move here we're just like i feel

01:01:20.409 --> 01:01:22.429
like it's like been home for so long and it's

01:01:22.429 --> 01:01:25.170
kind of yeah it's almost like engineered for

01:01:25.710 --> 01:01:28.489
what i do you know that's right it's not too

01:01:28.489 --> 01:01:31.210
big it's not uh -huh i couldn't do a big city

01:01:31.210 --> 01:01:34.230
uh for any long period of time yeah yeah i gotta

01:01:34.230 --> 01:01:36.730
say i feel the same way about this yeah and i've

01:01:36.730 --> 01:01:39.530
been i've been a lot of places not i you know

01:01:39.530 --> 01:01:41.510
i haven't traveled nearly as much as either of

01:01:41.510 --> 01:01:44.409
you but i've never been to a city that's quite

01:01:44.409 --> 01:01:46.449
like this that's right you just feel at home

01:01:46.449 --> 01:01:48.630
when you come yeah it's very much and i think

01:01:48.630 --> 01:01:51.929
it's something about the whole i think like the

01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:55.980
things with the college, the university, the

01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:58.719
combination of the university, like people, you

01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:00.460
know, bands coming through and then leaving.

01:02:00.699 --> 01:02:03.360
And honestly, people just come back. It's funny

01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:05.619
when people like move away. There's always that

01:02:05.619 --> 01:02:08.380
like, all right, good luck with everything. We'll

01:02:08.380 --> 01:02:10.840
see you in 20 years or 10 years or five years.

01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:13.119
And honestly, I probably have like four or five

01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:14.940
friends who have left and moved back, you know?

01:02:15.019 --> 01:02:19.440
Ah, yeah, yeah. No, it's a great place. Certainly

01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:21.460
I've had my ups and downs over the years, like

01:02:21.460 --> 01:02:23.559
before I was in the truckers and was sort of

01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.900
struggling to get... make a living and do everything

01:02:26.900 --> 01:02:29.099
here. We talked a lot about that, like delivering

01:02:29.099 --> 01:02:32.619
flowers and stuff like that. Well, the thing

01:02:32.619 --> 01:02:34.199
about the other night, which was getting the

01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.579
key, which was really sweet, but strange. But

01:02:36.579 --> 01:02:39.400
Katie said I look like, my wife Katie said I

01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:42.079
look like I was being scolded up there. And it

01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.889
is, it's awkward and weird. you know i was like

01:02:44.889 --> 01:02:46.809
looking i could see like i saw i saw like some

01:02:46.809 --> 01:02:49.309
of my friends at the bar from way back like just

01:02:49.309 --> 01:02:53.130
you know and i'm like what are you doing with

01:02:53.130 --> 01:02:55.409
this but no but having said that it was like

01:02:55.409 --> 01:02:58.590
look but the mayor kelly i knew this is one of

01:02:58.590 --> 01:03:00.150
the first people i met when i moved here i delivered

01:03:00.150 --> 01:03:02.429
flowers or delivered pizza pizza hut with him

01:03:02.429 --> 01:03:05.210
and then we re -met right before he became mayor

01:03:05.210 --> 01:03:07.329
at lunch with him he's like i don't know if you

01:03:07.329 --> 01:03:09.510
remember me but i used to live and i was like

01:03:10.590 --> 01:03:14.210
God, you know, it was really, it was really sweet.

01:03:14.369 --> 01:03:16.630
Yeah. He was like, and we were backstage. It

01:03:16.630 --> 01:03:17.809
was just like, I don't know. It's been a lot

01:03:17.809 --> 01:03:19.090
of those moments this weekend where it's like

01:03:19.090 --> 01:03:22.429
been this, like, you know, for whatever reason,

01:03:22.469 --> 01:03:24.130
this, this one in particular, this homecoming

01:03:24.130 --> 01:03:26.230
is like, we were just like, Oh, this feels so

01:03:26.230 --> 01:03:28.789
good about, yeah. The fact that we kind of stayed

01:03:28.789 --> 01:03:31.369
here and stuck it out. Yeah. That's right. And

01:03:31.369 --> 01:03:32.769
then playing with last night with my friends,

01:03:32.789 --> 01:03:34.989
Elaine. So I played with various bands for years

01:03:34.989 --> 01:03:38.030
and smile. Yeah. Closest friends in the world.

01:03:38.269 --> 01:03:41.880
So that was like, And also like... And we don't

01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:43.719
get to see you play bass very often. No, I never.

01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.659
That's pretty cool. I mean, I used to in the

01:03:47.659 --> 01:03:49.840
90s, but I haven't really ever since. And so

01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.940
it was nice. Yeah. Seeing Matt kind of laying

01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:55.900
good is, you know, get up there and play and

01:03:55.900 --> 01:03:58.280
giving them their due, which is awesome. You

01:03:58.280 --> 01:03:59.880
know, it was really lovely because they were

01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:02.119
the kind of band, Patterson. It was the same

01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:04.559
thing. It was about a year later for me, but...

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:06.840
meeting them and getting involved with that scene

01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:08.800
it was like these you know they were kids you

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.800
know yeah i mean i was a few years older than

01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.360
him he was like oh my god but they were teenagers

01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.099
playing here they moved here when they were like

01:04:18.099 --> 01:04:20.840
19 or something and uh and just we're the best

01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:26.099
band yeah anyway it was so much fun and uh yeah

01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:30.489
and then yeah and then I was struggling toward

01:04:30.489 --> 01:04:32.170
the end of the night, but I'm glad I kind of

01:04:32.170 --> 01:04:37.110
kept it together. 30 songs last night. I think

01:04:37.110 --> 01:04:40.110
it was a world I heard. I'm like, well, OK, and

01:04:40.110 --> 01:04:42.949
I'm playing it. Yeah. Patterson looks at Kool

01:04:42.949 --> 01:04:47.329
-Aid. I'm like, oh, I'd rather it be nowhere

01:04:47.329 --> 01:04:49.110
in the world doing it. Yeah, I was just like

01:04:49.110 --> 01:04:50.730
and I was like, I don't know if I could. But

01:04:50.730 --> 01:04:52.809
I just like he started playing guitar. And I

01:04:52.809 --> 01:04:54.929
was like, grab the guitar, lay it up and start

01:04:54.929 --> 01:04:57.730
another one. And it's like adrenaline, you know?

01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.880
So when everyone got up there, it's like, I think

01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:02.059
we're running on adrenaline. No, I'm sure. No,

01:05:03.099 --> 01:05:06.500
it's not. And honestly, it's like, at least I

01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:09.039
get to sit down a lot, you know, play keyboards.

01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:11.000
I can't, like, if I was just playing guitar or

01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.500
standing on the concrete floor, you know. Yeah.

01:05:14.019 --> 01:05:17.440
I know Lorna needs to check on her auction items.

01:05:17.739 --> 01:05:20.239
Oh, that's okay. But no, I really appreciate

01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:23.380
you dropping in, man. Thanks for coming by. Yeah.

01:05:23.739 --> 01:05:27.670
I just wanted to show y 'all some of the. artwork

01:05:27.670 --> 01:05:32.489
and all the things for sale at the new cheese

01:05:32.489 --> 01:05:38.550
homecoming auction. Check it out. Amazing stuff.

01:05:38.969 --> 01:05:41.889
There's links in the description to donate to

01:05:41.889 --> 01:05:45.329
their organization. I'll see you guys at P funk

01:05:45.329 --> 01:05:46.170
fest next weekend.