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But right now, this record is a secret. And I

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have it. And it's mine. I don't even have to

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release this if y 'all want to keep it a secret.

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You should. It's going to change. Welcome to

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Overeducated and Underemployed. I'm Fedden. We've

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got a really cool episode this week. I sat down

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with Thelma and the Sleaze right before their

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show at The Bark a couple weeks ago. LG, Hot

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Sauce, and Tinkerbell. Really fun group of people,

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but also, man, they put on a hell of a show.

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So please go see them. They're trying to make

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money on the road to put out their next record.

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We get into all of it. So stick around for that.

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Just a couple of things before I play that for

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you. We got P -Funk Fest. Let's take it to the

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stage. April 11th. I'm going to be there interviewing

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a bunch of people, broadcasting some live segments

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as well. So make sure you check it out. If you're

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not going to be there... Make sure you at least

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check out my interview with Shonda Clinton, Danny

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Bedrosian, and look forward to the other ones

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that are coming. Had a really great talk with

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Thelma and the Sleaze about the state of the

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country and all the stuff going on, as well as

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their new record and how they put their feelings

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about that into the new record and their music

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in general. We just, oh man, it was really great.

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They're cat lovers like me. LG, Hot Sauce, Tinkerbell,

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Pumpkin, and Janet say hello. Just wanted to

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let you know. That's my kitties. I'm going to

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be up in Athens, Georgia again next month doing

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a few shows with Lanny Farmer. So come on out.

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Keep an eye out for those. I'll be at Flickr.

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I'll be at a bar and winder. I'll be doing the

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clean comedy show they have every month in Athens.

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So check that out. And then in May, I'll be at

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Don't Tell Comedy in Tallahassee. And I'm not

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sure now that I say that, maybe I wasn't supposed

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to tell you, but I don't even know where it is

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yet. It just says East Appalachee Parkway. So

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get a ticket for that. Maybe I'll be there. Here's

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my interview with Thelma and the Sleaze. Thanks

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for listening, y 'all. Welcome to Overeducated

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and Underemployed. I'm here with Thelma and the

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Sleaze. I've seen them several times, and I'm

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really excited to see y 'all play again tonight.

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I'm going to start with the first question that

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I ask everybody. And I'll be honest, I typically

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do one -on -one interviews. So if this gets a

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little chaotic, I'm sorry. I like chaos, though.

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There's a black cat right there. It's a sign.

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So that's just a funny thing. That's part of

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a sign that we always see black cats all over.

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Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. No, no, no. That's

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what this is. Yeah. I just got an outfit. So

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tell me more about black cats, I guess. Since

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we're there. Our spirit animal. Okay. You want

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to tell them about Pepper? Yeah. We were rehearsing

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for a New Year's Eve show a couple months ago

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at LG's house. And about halfway through, we

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took a break. LG went out for a cigarette. And

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she comes calling to me like, hot sauce, hot

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sauce. And there's a black cat out in her yard.

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Just like meowing. A little tiny kitten. Yeah,

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just a little baby girl. And she was so sweet.

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Like we found her. She was really friendly. Just

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came up to us. And we were talking about bringing

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her to a shelter the next morning if she stuck

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around. We said, if she's here in the morning,

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we'll take her with us. And so sure enough, we

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woke up the next morning after rehearsal, and

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she was still there on the porch. She sat right

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there looking up at the door. And we didn't have

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time to bring her to a shelter because we had

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to leave really early in the morning. So we took

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her with us in the van all the way from Alabama

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to Athens, Georgia. Oh, yeah. She was a great

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little tour cat. She was hanging out in the van,

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super friendly and sweet, hung out in the venue

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with us the whole night. She only pooped on a

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hot sauce with one. And it was only me, but it

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was my fault. And it was like a very respectable

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food. She was really sorry. It was, it was. Yeah,

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like I should have read the signs. I should have

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given her a box or something. But yeah, we were

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talking about taking her. I was thinking about

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taking her, but it wasn't going to work out with

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my roommate situation. And so we're asking everyone,

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someone please take this cat. Someone please

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care for her. She's great. And so our friend

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in Nashville took her for a couple of days while

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we were recording because we went straight from

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the New Year's Eve show to recording up in Nashville.

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And so one of our friends fostered her for a

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little bit. And then we found a home for her

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through a mutual friend, friend of the band,

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big fan. And yeah, now she's living with him

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and she's the only cat there. And she's so loved.

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And you see them everywhere now. Yeah, literally.

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She must have got on like a Black Cat chat room

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and was like, yo, take care of my girls. Because

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now everywhere we go, it's like Black Cats everywhere.

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It's so true. And we have a song called Black

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Cat. Yeah. All right. Now that we've had our

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ADD moment. Had to get that. Yeah, which I'm

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all for it. The first question I ask everybody

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on this show, because I think it really just,

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it's a good conversation starter, is what's the

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first song that you remember loving as a kid?

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and i don't care which whichever one of y 'all

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think of it first is fine with me i think mine

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was lagrange by zz time yeah i think i got me

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the drums too that cool intro that's mine gosh

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i have so many it's hard to it's hard to pick

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pick one when music's like such a huge part of

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your life and you surround yourself with it every

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day it's yeah yeah but is there is there is there

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one that like you remember from when you were

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like maybe the first the first one yeah Man,

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probably with some like Jimi Hendrix. Yeah. Honestly.

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That's a good one. Credence Clearwater Revival

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was one of the first like real good bands that

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I was really, really stoked on as a younger kid.

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My brother got me super stoked on them. And yeah,

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I just love my old school shit. It's good. Belly

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Feed the Tree. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nice. So. Were

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y 'all like really into music at a young age?

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Like how old were y 'all when you were getting,

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being conscious of what you were listening to

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like that, you know? Pretty young. My dad was

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really into all kinds of music, like a lot of

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classic rock. So I started listening to the Beatles

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and ZZ Top early on, Black Sabbath, ACDC, and

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also like Skrillex and Calvin Harris and that

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kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was always

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music going on. The Pandora station was always

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on on my TV. So your dad did meth? That's what

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I know of. I think Skrillex is when I realized

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I was getting old. Because I was like, sounds

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like a fax machine. Not all of it, but like a

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fax machine. That was just the first time I heard

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it. Her dad does not do meth. There's two black

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cats now. Oh my goodness. They're congregating.

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They know we're talking about them. I think they

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just want to come to the show. I think they do

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too. My cats love your record. When I put on

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Holy Water, they start play fighting and wrestling.

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There's probably frequencies on there that only

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cats can hear. That's the secret. I do have a

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pretty nice modestly nice sound system. No Crosley

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for you? No Crosley? Not Klipsch. So, Klipsch.

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Oh, I see. Very nice. But not the high -end Klipsch.

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Wow, yeah. That's respectable for sure. Yeah,

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I like the horn tweeters. Some people don't like

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the horn tweeters. When did you all start? When

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did you decide you wanted to play music as opposed

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to just loving music? Because I think that's...

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something that happens, some people really young

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and some people it's like, you know, they're

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adults or something. I wrote my first song when

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I was eight. Oh, yeah. It was about Scooby -Doo.

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Can you sing it? No. Oh. When it was about Scooby

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-Doo, me and my friend Angie, we wrote a song

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about Scooby -Doo and we wrote a song about being

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best friends. And then we put out folding chairs

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in the living room and we were like, we have

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to have a concert. and we had a concert yeah

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i think we closed it out by doing the carlton

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dance from fresh prince yeah add a little extra

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special yeah yeah i remember writing songs with

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my childhood best friend jordan and we would

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have sleepovers and we had our little song notebook

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i would play guitar and we would write lyrics

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that felt like life -changing, like life -altering.

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This is so meaningful and looking back it's just

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really sweet and fun to think of. It did take

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me a long time to get into playing live shows

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and getting paid to play was a huge just new

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thing for me and when I first got a bass probably

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six or seven years ago I was gifted an Ibanez

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bass and a bass amp because they're like you

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play guitar you're musically inclined you're

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interested in it but i didn't have any gear per

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se gotcha gotcha so that changed everything for

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me getting gifted those two things just took

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it just took off and i i didn't go back i didn't

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look back bass is my main kind of thing now versus

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guitar which i grew up playing played trumpet

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and some flute but yeah bass is really for me

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that's where it's at and this band really helped

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show me that too yeah When did you start writing

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songs or playing before we move on from that?

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Yeah, the same deal. I would just casually write

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songs with my friends growing up. My brother's

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also a musician and we're pretty close in age,

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so we would goof around and write little songs

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growing up. But I wasn't really interested in

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playing drums until I was like 15 years old.

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And that's when I really felt like I found my

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passion. Because up until then, I did piano,

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oboe. You do band and orchestra in school and

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stuff. Just first chair oboe. Oh, nice. So they

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say. That's the rumor. It's true. Just moved

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up several chairs this week. Just this week alone.

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So were you playing like rock and roll while

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you were playing oboe? Or did it come later on?

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It came later? Well, I started playing oboe.

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I played oboe for eight years. And then starting

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in, I think, fifth grade. and i would love to

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see you i think i still remember the scales and

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it's like right advice yeah this is my b -flat

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scale wow but yeah i wasn't really interested

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in playing drums until i was about 15 and once

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i did it just felt like it all clicked this feels

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right and yeah mostly just learn rock songs and

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then as i got older and made she could play eruptions

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yeah i can yeah yeah on drums yeah oh um hot

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for teacher yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm sorry it

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was hot for teachers i was like wait are there

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drums i can't play the drums for eruption too

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yeah but yeah so i don't know just writing music

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as we go and this record was really fun getting

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to collaborate on some stuff i'm so excited for

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this record it's gonna be something else what

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did you grow up listening to because i feel like

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over the years y 'all have your sound has really

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evolved to where at one point you it was like

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you were dabbling in a few different genres and

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now they're all infused into this sound that

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really feels like your own sound so i'm really

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i'm curious where some of that like your earlier

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influences like what were some of the concerts

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you liked you went to as a kid and or isn't the

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first concert other than your own davy joe's

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for the monkeys oh nice yeah he took his shirt

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off but i saw arias yeah i'm thinking about how

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old he was then too yeah he's probably in his

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50s for sure yeah i went and saw skidder to ario

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speedwagon with my dad my dad took me to a lot

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of concerts yeah we grew up listening to aerosmith

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get a grip came out when i was like eight or

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nine you know my mom had that in the van that

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pump my dad got me a copy of draw the line when

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i was a kid i was like this is a but i also grew

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up outside chicago when i listened to a lot of

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rb and hip -hop and and stuff but just i could

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see that a lot in your lyrics sometimes i feel

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like your your lyrics really flow 90s was such

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a great time for music. So I feel very fortunate.

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So you brought up the new record and we don't

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have a ton of time to go super deep. So let's

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talk about the new record. It's called Cowgirls

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from the Heck. All right. And it's our heaviest

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record we've ever made. Hell yeah. Holy Water

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was written and arranged for five instruments

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and all these background vocals and all these

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different things. And it was overwhelming. But

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this is just a straight -up hard -ass power trio

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fucking throwdown. Hell yeah. I think more than

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anything, like, for me, it's just about getting

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back to what made me want to play rock and roll

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in the first place, which was, like, Pantera

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and just heavier shit that I was new metal and

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shit. I grew up in that era, so it's, yeah. And

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just making it really fun again because it became

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very not fun for a while. Yeah, just Raging to

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like the fucked up fucking state of the fucking

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world Yeah, we should all get on stage and be

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screaming shit right now. It's fucking terrible.

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Yeah, in fact that people are still making born

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-ass fucking Bullshit music is pretty silly to

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me. But yeah, I'm telling jokes about boiling

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billionaires alive But yeah, no, it's just when

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I've been playing with these ladies for a couple

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of years and I fed off of what I knew they could.

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I try to do that whenever I play with anybody

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for an extended period of time, write shit that

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I know they can get in and get under. And we

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did 11 songs in two days. We went back to a studio

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that we did a lot of our early albums at and

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EPs and Nashville called Battle Tapes. Shout

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out to them. And I think I have to go out there

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and experience new things and try different things,

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but he really is the best. Oh, yeah. He's just

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the kind of guy who gets the flow. He has good

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taste, and he knows without me even really saying

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what I want. And so it's a really good ebb and

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flow working with him, and he also pushes you

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to try. He's a really... Really fun guy to work

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with. And so we were able to do 11 songs in two

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days. That's incredible. It sounds like you really

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knew what you wanted out of the record going

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into it. I think the bar is always Funhouse by

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the Stooges. That's always the bar for every

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record. That was one of my first records as a

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kid. I love that record. Do it as live as you

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can and just feel. Nowadays, there's so much

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stuff you can do to spice shit up later. For

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me, it was just about capturing their energy

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and their chemistry. They have such a special

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chemistry. And they brought so much. I didn't

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even really want to make you this shit anymore,

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really. So it was great to have them come in

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and make it fun again and make it more. Because

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it should be fun. It's fucking rock and roll.

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Definitely rock and roll has its dark side and

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struggles and things. But for the fucking most

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part, it's got to be fun and you got to be horny.

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And so, for a while I just wasn't horny. And

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it was scary. It could be pre -menopause, but

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we got it done. And I think some people are going

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to get wet. And that's going to be exciting.

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Hell yeah. Lots of people. Yeah, and so we're

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just like playing these songs mostly. I've never

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done this before, but we're literally almost

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playing entirely the new set. The set is just

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the new album. And there's like a couple classics

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thrown in there for good measure. Give us a little

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bit of a leg in. Because I know some people do

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want to hear certain songs. But for the most

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part, we need to play the whole fucking new record.

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And we have so much fun. And yeah, we still have

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to mix it. We still have to pull 10 grand out

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of our ass and all the other bullshit that comes

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along with it. Right now, it's just a secret.

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It's a dirty secret in my dropbox. You can't

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read it. It's fine. It's exciting. Yeah, it's

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just fun right now. So we're just riding that

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high. Yeah, they're really getting under these

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songs live, too. I think based on the fan reactions

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and what people are saying, they're really excited.

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So it's good. I think as much as fans might want

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to hear a certain song or whatever, What rock

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and roll is all about most importantly want the

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band to be having a good fucking time? I think

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it's you culture your fans, and I think what

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you I'm never giving a fuck what anybody wants

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for me. I'll be honest Yeah, I'm mostly I Mostly

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just make whatever Tickles me at the time and

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whatever I'm listening to I was listening to

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a lot of Robert Palmer, so I made fuck marry

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kill and Fucking holy water. It was just like

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I wanted to make a really really I just want

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I had so many great players at the time I just

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wanted to go off the walls and see what we could

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do with all this fucking arrangements and and

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shit and Yeah with my country. I was just really

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sad and listening to old country songs Yeah,

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yeah. Yeah this one. I'm just fucking ready to

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rage. I hate everything now and I want to just

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piss I want to piss off normies. I did say, like,

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when fascism was on the rise again, that I was

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like, at least music is going to get fucking

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angry. It's really not, though. But it hasn't

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happened, so I'm really excited for tonight.

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Yeah. What else? So you've always just written

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music for yourself. If you weren't going to release

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music, would you still be writing it? I can't

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not. Okay. Yeah. I can't not. so to you i think

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what do we have i think we had 30 i had 30 songs

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to pull from for this album i just make a notebook

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i have a whole process and i go through it and

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i me and her got together she's my drummer She's

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a good kid. We just got together at this little

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studio in Iowa called The Bank. The Vault. The

00:19:40.829 --> 00:19:43.329
Vault. Yeah, it was a bank. Yes, it was a bank.

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And this guy let us just jam on the songs together

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and track it and see what was working and what

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I felt like. Because not only do the songs have

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to sound good on their own, but they have to

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create a mood and they have to... I'm still a

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fucking dumbass who makes albums. I'm really

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trying not to be. because nobody gives a shit

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i'm still a dumbass who buys albums i got i have

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yours but yeah that is a niche now and most people

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just want to hear a song and be like boing boing

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boing it's great i like it sounds like something

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else like so it's like to make whole ass records

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and i've made whole ass records you want a whole

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ass record there's whole ass records and this

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is going to be a whole ass record too but i'm

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not like Everything had to flow. There had to

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be an ebb and flow. There always has to be certain

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things on a Thomas Lee's album. There has to

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be a long jam. There has to be a mid -tempo banger.

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There has to be a ballad. There has to be those

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things. But everything else for this album was

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just in the moment. Whoa, that's fucking weird.

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Let's do that. Oh, this is banging. Try that.

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Or, hey, LG, what do you think about this? Oh,

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I like that. Do that. Doing that in the studio

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was so fun, too. Just getting to experiment in

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real time. there were a couple moments on the

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record that were just like improv improvised

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and we kept them and it just it feels so right

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it's so cool yeah because we have a chemistry

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and that's really i think the best thing about

00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:12.059
a good record is you can hear people playing

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together yeah yeah oh wow it's palpable that

00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:20.259
that chemistry oh wow you recorded a lot together

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yeah all at the same time yeah so i'm gonna probably

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do some vocal overdubs but that's it not even

00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.940
overdubs there's just 11 songs in two days is

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a lot and there's a lot of screaming on this

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album sure i wanted to set a very high bar for

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myself and be like that's it sounds like it just

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poured out of you yeah i'm pissed pissed so is

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that the motivation like every month We shed

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our uterine line and bleed profusely from our

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fucking vaginas. And it fucking sucks. Yeah.

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And it makes you very angry. You get cramps.

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You get fat for no reason. And it sucks. And

00:22:01.529 --> 00:22:04.670
then you have to do that in fascism? Yeah. That's

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what pissing me off. Yeah. That part. Was that

00:22:08.829 --> 00:22:12.950
the motivation for releasing music again? I guess

00:22:12.950 --> 00:22:15.769
you said something about, I didn't really want

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to do this shit anymore. I mean, yeah, it sucks.

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What kept you... I'm not a fucking douche. I'm

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not going to make a fool of myself. If something

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doesn't feel good or feel right, thank you, ma

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'am. I'll go my way. I'm not going to push shit.

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If the shit's flowing and the vibes are good

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and they're fucking jamming on it and... The

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right people who I sent shit to, I got to select

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a few people. I was very secretive about this

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record. I barely sent it to anybody. Probably

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three. This is the first I'm hearing about it.

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Three or four of my closest friends, yeah, who

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I was like, what do you think about this song?

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Because I know they have good taste and I know

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they know what I'm capable of. But other than

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that, I was very tight -lipped about everything

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because I was just like, yeah, it's just stuff.

00:23:05.369 --> 00:23:07.089
And I've been painting the last couple of years

00:23:07.089 --> 00:23:11.200
and I feel like it's really, it's really, informed

00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.700
my creative process in a new way that I wanted

00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:19.279
to put into this record. Yeah. And yeah, I mean,

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I've made fucking great records. I don't have

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.039
to make any more records. I can really just chill

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the fuck out. But if I'm going to, it's got to

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feel good. You know what I mean? It's got to

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feel right and I know it's going to turn on the

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people. I've got like 13 fans and I know what

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they want and I'm giving it to them. They stuck

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with me through my last record, which was so

00:23:42.690 --> 00:23:47.009
silly and cathartic for me. And they deserve

00:23:47.009 --> 00:23:49.490
this. And they're going to have it. And they're

00:23:49.490 --> 00:23:51.549
going to be served it. And they're going to love

00:23:51.549 --> 00:23:55.130
it. Or they're not getting anything else. We

00:23:55.130 --> 00:23:58.849
have badass songs at home. But yeah. Yeah, no,

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I'm still waiting for everybody to catch up.

00:24:01.970 --> 00:24:06.529
The thing about being a leftist is you're white

00:24:06.529 --> 00:24:13.170
just early. It's always just early. Yeah, and

00:24:13.170 --> 00:24:15.549
we don't really have to be political outwardly.

00:24:15.549 --> 00:24:19.369
We are, but the act of us entertaining people

00:24:19.369 --> 00:24:21.549
in a public space is political. Because we're

00:24:21.549 --> 00:24:24.569
women. And I'm gay. And I'm not going to blow

00:24:24.569 --> 00:24:27.049
their spot up. That's not their business. But

00:24:27.049 --> 00:24:29.910
you know what I'm saying. We're political without

00:24:29.910 --> 00:24:32.210
even trying to be political. Their existence

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purely in itself is a front to the patriarchy.

00:24:37.779 --> 00:24:42.099
But we are privileged and we do get some perks.

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But yeah, we work very fucking hard. And I'm

00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.059
the kind of bitch, I don't give a fuck where

00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:50.839
I am. I'm going to tell you to fuck the fuck

00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:52.859
off. And I'd really rather do it anyway. What

00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:55.240
really struck me is there was a car in the parking

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lot when we showed up. And it had these Trump

00:25:00.099 --> 00:25:03.440
2020 shirts, but as like seat covers. I didn't

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.380
even see that. And I saw it and I was like, huh.

00:25:06.859 --> 00:25:08.660
And as I walked in, I was like, well, this will

00:25:08.660 --> 00:25:11.200
be fun. You know, it just feels dirtier. It's

00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.779
like giving a handjob in the library. You know,

00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.720
it just feels naughty. And I'll do it. I'd much

00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.319
rather do that than play at a fucking co -op

00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.720
space where everybody feels the way I do about

00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.700
shit. It's just echo chamber. Yeah, it's just

00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:27.000
echo chamber. And it's an elitist. It's elitist.

00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:31.279
I don't know. I don't think anything's gained

00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:33.319
from that, personally. I think you should get...

00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.700
out in these fucking streets and bust heads.

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.500
I wouldn't still be making rock and roll if I

00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:41.799
didn't feel that way. If I went in that bar last

00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:49.279
night and said, I was like, no, fuck that. We're

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:50.880
fucking standing upright. We're in a fucking

00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.119
room with a microphone. Fuck Trump. Fuck ICE.

00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:55.619
We're fucking queer. If you don't like it, you

00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:59.380
can fucking leave. You know? Fuck yeah. You know?

00:25:59.769 --> 00:26:03.170
And it felt nerdy. Yeah. It was good. And I hopped

00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:05.950
out with money. It was great. Yeah. And it's

00:26:05.950 --> 00:26:09.970
harder, but also, like, more rewarding, too.

00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:13.910
Yeah. Like, there's something about, yeah, I

00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:16.470
think when you say the echo chamber thing is,

00:26:16.490 --> 00:26:19.349
like, that. Yeah. At what point, like, what are

00:26:19.349 --> 00:26:22.089
you doing it for at that point? If the only people

00:26:22.089 --> 00:26:25.730
listening to you already, like, are with you

00:26:25.730 --> 00:26:28.319
100%. Exactly. Then it's. Just a distraction

00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.299
from, like, direct action. I think the most important

00:26:32.299 --> 00:26:34.440
thing for artists to do who are in a position

00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.519
of privilege and have a platform is to lift other

00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.640
people up whose voices don't have that platform.

00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.720
And give people fucking money. That's it. You

00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.839
don't speak up to them. You give them the fucking

00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.920
platform. Yeah. Give it to them. Because, like,

00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.539
I think a lot of people think they're a lot smarter

00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:54.200
and a lot fucking... I don't know. There's a

00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.529
real... There's a real self -righteousness to

00:26:56.529 --> 00:26:58.329
a lot of shit that I just don't, it's just not

00:26:58.329 --> 00:27:01.210
my brand. But that's fine. There's a really mild

00:27:01.210 --> 00:27:03.509
version of, I think, what you mean. I interviewed

00:27:03.509 --> 00:27:06.309
Weird Al Yankovic's guitar player, who's also

00:27:06.309 --> 00:27:09.789
a Hawaiian slack key guitar player. A Grammy

00:27:09.789 --> 00:27:11.970
-winning Hawaiian slack key. And he's not Hawaiian.

00:27:13.490 --> 00:27:17.490
Hell, wow. But he, like, moved there a long time

00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:19.950
ago, learned the music, learned the culture,

00:27:20.150 --> 00:27:23.720
and now they invite him to the... like annual

00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.920
Slack Key Hawaiian festival and he's revered

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.779
by all the native Slack Key players. And he said

00:27:31.779 --> 00:27:34.579
the only people that have ever said that it was

00:27:34.579 --> 00:27:37.779
cultural appropriation were people that had nothing

00:27:37.779 --> 00:27:41.039
to do with Hawaii or Hawaii's culture or anything.

00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.019
It was like people trying to speak for them.

00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.940
Exactly. And it just didn't make any sense. No,

00:27:46.940 --> 00:27:50.339
it doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't. But

00:27:50.339 --> 00:27:53.200
yeah. So in that spirit, what are some of the

00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.799
things that are specifically pissing you the

00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.779
fuck off right now? I want to take the floor.

00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:03.079
Oh, this fucking war that just started. Holy

00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.740
shit. The Epstein files, just like the whole

00:28:06.740 --> 00:28:08.880
evolution of everything and just seeing how they're

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.920
trying to spin it is like fucking infuriating

00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:17.539
and nothing's being done. By anybody. Yeah, people

00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:19.920
are angry, people are posting about it, but the

00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.859
people who have the most power to hold those

00:28:23.859 --> 00:28:26.779
people involved accountable, they probably have

00:28:26.779 --> 00:28:28.539
something to gain from all these people's power,

00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:31.000
so they're not going to fucking say shit. Yeah,

00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:35.380
they're part of the status quo. Yeah. I agree

00:28:35.380 --> 00:28:37.779
with that. Is there anything else specifically

00:28:37.779 --> 00:28:40.440
that's pissy? I just want to give you all a chance

00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.119
to say what's pissing you off. Oh. Yeah, I think

00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.380
there's a war on poor people right now. A class

00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:51.339
war. I think there's a war on trans people right

00:28:51.339 --> 00:28:55.240
now. That's very sad as well. Yeah, it's just

00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.420
not a good time to be in any kind of position

00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:03.039
of... It just sucks. It sucks. A lot of people

00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.119
have really hard days. And I don't think there's

00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.559
going to be anything gained from us talking shit

00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.200
about it or saying anything. I just think...

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.099
No, probably not. I think that the best thing

00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:14.319
is for people to... check on their neighbors

00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.119
and build a sense of community and I think we

00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.279
get very attached to these things and those things

00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.940
don't really matter and they don't do anything

00:29:22.940 --> 00:29:26.779
you're just creating a more of a chaos and more

00:29:26.779 --> 00:29:28.960
noise and you can really get out there in your

00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.420
community and maybe you don't have the same total

00:29:31.420 --> 00:29:33.839
ideas as other people around you but you're at

00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.299
least showing them that you're a part of it and

00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:39.440
you know you're contributing and you're helping

00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:44.710
people who are so much and so much need. I met

00:29:44.710 --> 00:29:48.089
a woman recently, her feet were swollen because

00:29:48.089 --> 00:29:51.470
she had to get on heart medication. She had swollen

00:29:51.470 --> 00:29:53.829
feet and all she had was a pair of flip flops.

00:29:54.609 --> 00:29:58.450
And all she wore was a pair of shoes. So you

00:29:58.450 --> 00:30:00.470
might not be able to stop a war in Iran, but

00:30:00.470 --> 00:30:02.710
you can get out there and hold a food drive.

00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:05.950
You can get out there and go down to the campments

00:30:05.950 --> 00:30:09.130
and hand out food like Miss Shirley. There's

00:30:09.130 --> 00:30:11.259
lots of things you can do. You're not powerless.

00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:16.000
Yeah. Are there any organizations that you know

00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.880
are... I mean, a fucking organization, really.

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.680
You can do shit for yourself in small town. Food

00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.039
Not Bombs. Food Not Bombs is, yeah, that's who

00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:24.839
I always recommend. If you're looking for something

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.420
that isn't religiously affiliated or government

00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:29.799
affiliated, I think they do a lot of good. Because

00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.740
you don't need ID, you don't need anything to

00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:34.859
go and get a nice meal. If you work at a restaurant

00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:37.549
or you throw away a lot of pizza. Figure out

00:30:37.549 --> 00:30:39.109
how you can get that pizza to most people at

00:30:39.109 --> 00:30:40.750
the end of the night. I used to work at a restaurant.

00:30:40.769 --> 00:30:43.490
We'd give out pizzas all the time. At the end

00:30:43.490 --> 00:30:45.289
of the night, we did slices. Things like that.

00:30:45.369 --> 00:30:49.089
They seem little. They seem, oh, fuck. But animal

00:30:49.089 --> 00:30:51.730
shelters, they need help, too. There's just so

00:30:51.730 --> 00:30:54.309
many ways that you can turn this fucking thing

00:30:54.309 --> 00:30:57.630
off and actually help others and create a more

00:30:57.630 --> 00:31:01.569
harmonized, more community space for everyone.

00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.400
And it's we think we're fucked because everything's

00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.839
expensive and it sucks. But like the people who

00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.039
are at the very bottom of the reg, they're having

00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.140
a really fucked up time. Yeah. And that shit

00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:17.059
don't have any fucking is not does not discriminate.

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.700
Everybody can literally fall through this crack

00:31:20.700 --> 00:31:24.480
and end up under a bridge or living in a tent.

00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:28.420
It's not does not discriminate. So. i think people

00:31:28.420 --> 00:31:30.319
need to remind themselves how privileged they

00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.059
are and they need to get out here and help other

00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:35.599
people because this is really that's what's really

00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.339
scary is people are so distracted by all this

00:31:37.339 --> 00:31:42.220
and i think one of the reasons for that and i

00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:44.220
think it's by design too is like the loss of

00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:47.519
third spaces it's capitalism it's all capitalism

00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.619
root of evil man but i do think rock and roll

00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:55.319
shows give like people with like minds a third

00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.309
space even if it's a temporary one, a scheduled

00:31:59.309 --> 00:32:01.829
one. I do think it brings people together in

00:32:01.829 --> 00:32:03.750
a way that is like really important. I've done

00:32:03.750 --> 00:32:05.950
tours where we hit out hard production supplies

00:32:05.950 --> 00:32:08.710
and shit. They always have them here. Yeah, exactly.

00:32:08.789 --> 00:32:10.769
And Trump won't take credit for that bullshit

00:32:10.769 --> 00:32:13.490
because all the fucking overdose. Fuck you. That's

00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:15.890
some grassroots shit. Those are people out here

00:32:15.890 --> 00:32:17.549
caring about people. And that should be a great

00:32:17.549 --> 00:32:19.750
example. of what the fuck can happen. I know

00:32:19.750 --> 00:32:21.910
people that have been doing it for 20 years and

00:32:21.910 --> 00:32:23.710
to the point where at first they were afraid

00:32:23.710 --> 00:32:25.369
they were going to go to jail for doing it and

00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:29.329
Narcan and shit. Like, yeah, it's yeah, it's

00:32:29.329 --> 00:32:32.670
it's really scary. Yeah, man. Whatever you could

00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:36.130
do to take a foot off of somebody's neck. Yeah,

00:32:36.269 --> 00:32:40.829
but I hope that fuck capitalism, fuck music for

00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:43.789
fucking the sake of fucking being rich or famous

00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:47.910
is trash. We're out here to. empower people we're

00:32:47.910 --> 00:32:50.829
out here to inspire people we're out here to

00:32:50.829 --> 00:32:55.890
give people relief from the rigmarole of having

00:32:55.890 --> 00:33:02.049
to exist in this up planet and yeah like thank

00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:04.130
you like genuinely seriously thank you because

00:33:04.130 --> 00:33:07.150
i think like and i i'm not alone here concerts

00:33:07.150 --> 00:33:09.529
right now are like literally the only thing we

00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:11.390
have to look forward to a lot of the time there's

00:33:11.390 --> 00:33:15.279
not much else yeah except What do I have ticket?

00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.460
What's my next ticket? Yeah, I'm glad to hear

00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:21.980
that. And I know I'm not alone there. I just

00:33:21.980 --> 00:33:25.160
left Athens where lots of people, you've been

00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.680
to the Heathens Homecoming. All those people

00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:32.119
are like that. Yeah, really nice people. So how

00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.319
do you channel all that into the music in a productive

00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.299
way? Because I feel like you did a really amazing

00:33:38.299 --> 00:33:40.839
job of taking that anger and talking about how

00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.410
you can be productive about it now. So like just

00:33:44.410 --> 00:33:47.089
now, how does that translate into your music?

00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:50.150
Or is it just fuck everything? Or is it just

00:33:50.150 --> 00:33:54.670
about being angry? Yeah, I think you just, I

00:33:54.670 --> 00:33:57.750
think, you know, anything that you do creatively,

00:33:57.869 --> 00:34:02.289
I think you should hope that it goes to the right

00:34:02.289 --> 00:34:04.069
place and you just hope that it reaches somebody

00:34:04.069 --> 00:34:07.170
who really needs it. We have people come to our

00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:09.710
shows and just say it felt so good to see women

00:34:09.710 --> 00:34:13.960
empowered playing music. fucking being free to

00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.400
create and and that makes you feel really good

00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.480
so yeah i think yeah again just the act of us

00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:24.000
existing as a political and and it's not fun

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.780
all the time to be there no i'm sure it's not

00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:32.099
it is a fact and yeah i think more people should

00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:35.699
be upset and i hope that more of the music that

00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:39.639
you make isn't just for likes and shares it's

00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.400
it's something that you're getting out here in

00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.820
the streets And like I said, this tour is great

00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:46.199
because we didn't have a lot of, we had a couple

00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.619
holes to fill and we got to go play in DIY spaces

00:34:48.619 --> 00:34:51.400
and places where, oh, we never had a show before.

00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:54.960
And get some fucking, really fucking do some

00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.300
good work and lift up people's spirits. And last

00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:01.440
night was like, oh, pay if you can. And that's

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.420
cool. It's that kind of shit. Money doesn't fucking

00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:08.469
matter. It's not even fucking real. You know

00:35:08.469 --> 00:35:10.230
what I mean? There's no gold standard anymore.

00:35:10.530 --> 00:35:14.050
It's never been as fake as it is now. It's like

00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:18.909
so fake. No, and it's, we're all, we're all,

00:35:19.030 --> 00:35:23.190
it's real hard to be poor in this country. It's

00:35:23.190 --> 00:35:24.969
really hard to be old in this country. It's really

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:28.250
hard to be an artist in this country. It's really

00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:31.269
hard to do a lot of stuff. Yeah, I just think

00:35:31.269 --> 00:35:35.349
my anger is my anger. I own my anger. I control

00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:38.570
my anger. I do my anger real well. But yeah,

00:35:38.670 --> 00:35:41.750
I think just giving people that opportunity to

00:35:41.750 --> 00:35:45.449
throw themselves around a room and feel somebody

00:35:45.449 --> 00:35:47.309
else screaming into a microphone, I think that's

00:35:47.309 --> 00:35:50.690
going to do what it needs to do. Yeah, I think

00:35:50.690 --> 00:35:54.090
more people should be angry. Have there been

00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:56.989
times in the last few years where y 'all have

00:35:56.989 --> 00:36:00.710
felt unsafe on the road because of the fact that

00:36:00.710 --> 00:36:02.869
you're inherently political? Fuck me, man. Shit,

00:36:03.070 --> 00:36:06.090
really. I'm scared of you a little bit, personally.

00:36:06.849 --> 00:36:09.469
I'm a bartender lady last night, man. And I don't

00:36:09.469 --> 00:36:11.130
even think about this shit. I walk around all

00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:12.909
the time and I think about this shit. Yeah, I

00:36:12.909 --> 00:36:14.829
got a face that's good for punching. Yeah, I

00:36:14.829 --> 00:36:16.610
do look like I've been to prison. And I haven't.

00:36:17.010 --> 00:36:20.329
But, yet. But, you know, the bartender chick

00:36:20.329 --> 00:36:23.710
last night, she was from Puerto Rico. Her family's

00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:26.429
from Puerto Rico. She was born here. Here, as

00:36:26.429 --> 00:36:30.670
in Puerto Rico. Whatever. But there were 15 cops

00:36:30.670 --> 00:36:32.230
outside that bar last night. Because someone

00:36:32.230 --> 00:36:34.679
got tased. She wanted to figure out what the

00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.079
fuck was going on because she's running this

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.699
establishment. She's a fucking bartender. She's

00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:40.639
uplifting this neighborhood. She's creating a

00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.260
space for people. And it's very nice. She wants

00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.480
to go out there and figure out what's going on.

00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.960
Cops want to fucking talk to her. Or tell her

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.119
what the fuck is going on. And she came back

00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:50.860
and she was like, it's because the color of my

00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:54.980
skin is because I'm a fucking brown woman. And

00:36:54.980 --> 00:36:58.179
I was like, damn. All I could do is really hug

00:36:58.179 --> 00:37:01.800
her. But it's fucked up. That's fucked up. The

00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:03.360
woman's running a business in a neighborhood

00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.039
that really needs a good business. And somebody

00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.380
upright who's trying to do some shit. And this

00:37:09.380 --> 00:37:11.039
woman is trying to figure out what the fuck is

00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.820
going on. And yeah, it's just deplorable. So

00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:19.079
fuck me. If I feel unethical, I'll stab you.

00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.130
But yeah, like... That shit's fucked up. And

00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:24.809
you're pointing out, I think y 'all probably

00:37:24.809 --> 00:37:28.349
get to see a lot more of America than the average

00:37:28.349 --> 00:37:29.889
Joe. Yeah, it's like pulling a fucking band -aid

00:37:29.889 --> 00:37:33.409
off. You're totally fucking... But yeah, just

00:37:33.409 --> 00:37:36.849
the lack of accountability, the lack of people

00:37:36.849 --> 00:37:40.110
caring about other humans and their well -being

00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:44.750
and respecting people because you would want

00:37:44.750 --> 00:37:46.570
to receive respect if you were in that position

00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:50.510
is fucking bullshit. This idea that might is

00:37:50.510 --> 00:37:55.510
right has returned in such a scary way on a global

00:37:55.510 --> 00:37:57.329
scale. Because everyone's eating too much meat,

00:37:57.409 --> 00:38:00.110
man. They're all jacked up on red meat and fucking,

00:38:00.170 --> 00:38:03.909
you know, fucking. Celsius. And fucking. I got

00:38:03.909 --> 00:38:07.309
off that Celsius shit. I was one of those people,

00:38:07.369 --> 00:38:10.070
though, I will tell you. They're fucking only

00:38:10.070 --> 00:38:13.190
grasping for straws. The patriarchy is grasping

00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:17.559
for straws. They want to. They're coming up becoming

00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.099
a parody of themselves. It's hilarious. It's

00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:23.159
not hilarious. No The only way yeah, it's real

00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.840
it has to be hilarious or you would set it wherever

00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.139
all the Cowboys gone. They're gone bitch. Get

00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:34.059
over it Yeah, I think like for me it has to I

00:38:34.059 --> 00:38:37.719
have to find it hilarious or I would just Cry

00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.280
all the time all the time. Yeah. Yeah, and I

00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.139
feel like you often put humor into your music

00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:49.460
as well is that intentional or or is it like

00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:53.119
or does it come out like oh that was funny i

00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.780
think it's i don't know i'm just an artist i

00:38:55.780 --> 00:38:58.579
think i can't remember who said it but it's the

00:38:58.579 --> 00:39:00.719
only thing worse than taking yourself too seriously

00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.460
or something is oh yeah what is that take the

00:39:04.460 --> 00:39:07.500
only thing we're not taking not being taken seriously

00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:10.940
is to be taken too seriously yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:39:10.940 --> 00:39:13.840
there should be levity to rock and roll Sure,

00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:17.099
sure. And I'm a funny bitch. Absolutely. I mean,

00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:20.219
I've had a very hard life. Fucked up shit. That

00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:22.099
usually goes hand in hand. Yeah, so, you know,

00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.539
it's like, I'm very grateful I have a sense of

00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:28.980
humor. And I've always, not as much anymore,

00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.760
just because I'm really having fun playing these

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.320
new songs. I've always infused a little humor

00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.739
into my set and talk shit between songs. And

00:39:36.739 --> 00:39:40.400
some people come just for the banter. And hey,

00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:43.750
I don't care. The money's green. Even if it is

00:39:43.750 --> 00:39:45.670
fake. I've just pissed off a lot of bandmates

00:39:45.670 --> 00:39:48.190
saying dumb shit on stage. No, I just try to

00:39:48.190 --> 00:39:50.750
be really careful because I love these girls.

00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:54.670
But yeah. And I really should say how brave it

00:39:54.670 --> 00:39:56.829
is of them to be out here. Because I've been

00:39:56.829 --> 00:39:58.590
doing this shit a long time. I'm used to it.

00:39:58.690 --> 00:40:01.389
They're babies in a lot of ways in rock and roll

00:40:01.389 --> 00:40:05.269
years. And they're out here with this crazy bitch

00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:07.670
who's been touring for 20 years in a fucking

00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:11.170
40 Connell line. sleeping on cots and fucking

00:40:11.170 --> 00:40:13.710
yeah being out here and you do feel very vulnerable

00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:17.889
and you do have to deal still with so much bullshit

00:40:17.889 --> 00:40:21.409
and for someone people in their generation who

00:40:21.409 --> 00:40:24.030
gets usually gets pretty instant gratification

00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:28.050
via these boxes for them to be out here trying

00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:31.030
to really live life and experience things that's

00:40:31.030 --> 00:40:33.190
pretty fucking that's pretty fucking dope and

00:40:33.190 --> 00:40:36.199
i'm here for it If they want a ride, let's ride.

00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.260
Up to the wheels. Oh, baby. I know y 'all were

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.360
with the band last year. When did you join? Because

00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.000
I know y 'all have been with the band at least.

00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.639
A couple years. At least two years, yeah. Because

00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.699
I don't remember a time seeing y 'all play where

00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:53.260
you weren't. God, I wish that were true for me,

00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:56.039
too. I joined two and a half years ago. Okay,

00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:58.260
so I guess maybe the first time I saw you, I

00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:01.039
did not. Yeah. Let's go. I guess I didn't see

00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.019
you at Flickr. You weren't. No, I've only played

00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:06.519
here in Tallahassee. Oh, no. The first time I

00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.579
saw y 'all was in Athens. Yeah, she was at the

00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:11.000
40 Watt. Oh, yeah. I saw you at the 40 Watt,

00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:12.920
but I also saw you the year before at Flickr.

00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.960
I was a ripper at the 40 Watt. Yeah, that was...

00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.059
I think that's when I fell in love with y 'all

00:41:19.059 --> 00:41:20.659
for real. Yeah, well, if you're going to hang

00:41:20.659 --> 00:41:22.219
out for the set tonight, you're going to see

00:41:22.219 --> 00:41:24.699
what happens when you stick with some shit. Yeah.

00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.820
Well, you say how long you've been in the band.

00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:31.400
A year and a half or so. Give or take. She's

00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:33.789
almost a veteran. So you were here last time

00:41:33.789 --> 00:41:36.130
I saw you. If you can make it past two years

00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:40.250
of touring with me, you're a hard bitch. People

00:41:40.250 --> 00:41:41.829
are starting to see you play with them for the

00:41:41.829 --> 00:41:44.110
second and third time now. They're coming back

00:41:44.110 --> 00:41:46.690
for seconds. They're coming back for thirds.

00:41:46.909 --> 00:41:52.010
They're still hungry. Yeah. No, it's some of

00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:55.070
the most fun I've ever had on stage. I say if

00:41:55.070 --> 00:41:57.750
you haven't seen Thelma and Mrs. in a while and

00:41:57.750 --> 00:42:01.239
you thought, oh, wow. Get back in the room, motherfuckers.

00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.440
Fuck yeah. Watch what my girls can do. Watch

00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.260
what my squirrels can do. And the idea that I'm

00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:10.860
not staying for this set tonight is absurd. I've

00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:13.360
been doing this shit too long to take anything

00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.960
too personally. Well, that's fair, but yeah,

00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.840
I'm very excited. Yeah, we're excited. We've

00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.000
done pretty okay in Tallahassee for the last

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.199
couple years. Everybody in Tallahassee knows

00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.900
I chose Tallahassee over Pensacola. And I just

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:34.860
kept my end of the bargain. I say, fuck Pensacola,

00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:37.480
and I always come to Tallahassee. Yeah. And I

00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.579
hope that made something of you, Tallahassee.

00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:45.480
It does. I'm thrilled that you chose Tallahassee

00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.980
so well. It was such a great drive through the

00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:48.820
Panhandle. We went through one city, smell like

00:42:48.820 --> 00:42:51.239
pee and poop. and then we went to another city

00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.960
and it smelled like fresh buttermilk biscuits

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.599
you don't get that kind of contrast anywhere

00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.679
else i'm gonna guess it's a unique place i'm

00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:02.340
gonna guess ocala and madison no monticello i'm

00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:04.579
not gonna i don't know that's fine i don't care

00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:07.820
yeah them cowards on the other side of the river

00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:10.960
i don't care yeah wow i didn't expect this to

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.340
be such a fiery interview It kept me on my toes.

00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:18.239
This has been fucking awesome. I really, really

00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:19.840
appreciate it. I'd burn my bra right now, but

00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.460
I'm not wearing one. Yeah. When's the record

00:43:23.460 --> 00:43:25.239
going to come out? I know you'd say you have

00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.639
to mix it still and stuff. Maybe do a little

00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.099
bit of... You know, music as a commodity, it

00:43:30.099 --> 00:43:33.000
just ruins it for me. Okay, cool. I like to...

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.380
I like... I just... I've made... I've had a lot

00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:40.440
of situations where I've built things up. Yeah,

00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.779
yeah. And it's just... It's just... debilitatingly,

00:43:44.779 --> 00:43:48.820
devastatingly disappointing when, you know, shit

00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:51.280
doesn't happen. But right now, this record is

00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.679
a secret. And I have it. And it's mine. I don't

00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:57.119
even have to release this if y 'all want to keep

00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.300
it a secret. It's going to change shit. It's

00:44:01.300 --> 00:44:05.300
going to change shit around us. Exactly. No,

00:44:05.380 --> 00:44:09.820
gee whiz. Ideally, we're going to put it out

00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:15.590
this year. Ideally. but We got to make a lot

00:44:15.590 --> 00:44:19.030
of money and we want to do it on our own. I do

00:44:19.030 --> 00:44:21.670
they don't care. I'm gonna be fine with it I

00:44:21.670 --> 00:44:23.909
want to make it all on my own. I want to pay

00:44:23.909 --> 00:44:25.969
for it all by myself and just not have to deal

00:44:25.969 --> 00:44:30.389
with any bullshit Yeah, I think It ruins it to

00:44:30.389 --> 00:44:32.630
put it out. So for now, I'm just really enjoying

00:44:32.630 --> 00:44:35.769
playing the song. Cool. Fuck yeah. Heck yeah.

00:44:35.909 --> 00:44:40.369
Yeah. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. Yeah, I think I think

00:44:40.369 --> 00:44:45.800
they are too. Yeah And yeah, I'm going to record

00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.800
two more records and then put them all out at

00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.599
once. Who knows? She would never know. You could

00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.800
record three records and then put them out in

00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:55.579
reverse order that you recorded them. We'll ask

00:44:55.579 --> 00:44:59.039
Pepper. Maybe we'll put months in front of Pepper

00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.019
the cat and we'll be like, do you want us to

00:45:01.019 --> 00:45:04.599
put it out in September, November, October, whatever.

00:45:05.059 --> 00:45:08.360
And then whichever one she paused, that's when

00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.340
we'll put it out. That's a good idea. I actually

00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:12.969
think you guys post on that check. Yeah, in order

00:45:12.969 --> 00:45:16.010
at home. I think we, I think, yeah, like, I think

00:45:16.010 --> 00:45:21.170
that has to be how it's decided. Pepper, we brought

00:45:21.170 --> 00:45:24.489
you treats. We brought you toys. Please tell

00:45:24.489 --> 00:45:27.389
us. Please tell us, Pepper. She's so wise. Yeah.

00:45:27.610 --> 00:45:29.849
She's so smart. Also, please, you know, when

00:45:29.849 --> 00:45:31.449
it's cold, make sure you check there's no cats

00:45:31.449 --> 00:45:34.789
in your engine. Always honk your horn. Make sure

00:45:34.789 --> 00:45:37.409
there's no cats. That's why we took Pepper, because

00:45:37.409 --> 00:45:40.610
it was very cold, and it's really sad what happens

00:45:40.610 --> 00:45:43.059
to K -cats if they get... under an engine to

00:45:43.059 --> 00:45:45.579
stay warm. So check your cars for cats, friends.

00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:48.760
Yeah. All you guys at home. Take some beefaroni

00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.519
to the food bank. Yay! Beefaroni. Do those things.

00:45:52.820 --> 00:45:54.380
Beefaroni to the food bank. Is there anything

00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:55.860
else you want to mention before we wrap this

00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:59.239
up? Just come see us on tour. Yeah. And bring

00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.000
three friends. And if you haven't sent someone

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.719
your favorite Thelma and Sleeve song today and

00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.519
said, have you heard this Thelma and Sleeve song?

00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.760
Try sending it. See what happens. You might brighten

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.639
their day. Yeah. I almost guarantee you will.

00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.820
Thank y 'all so much. Dude, thank you so much.

00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.300
Congratulations on your podcast. Congrats. Thanks

00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:22.300
a bunch. Thank y 'all. That was awesome. That

00:46:22.300 --> 00:46:25.300
was a lot of fun. I had a great talk with Thelma

00:46:25.300 --> 00:46:26.980
and the Sleaze. I hope you enjoyed listening

00:46:26.980 --> 00:46:29.400
to it. Make sure you catch them on the road.

00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.679
There's links to all of their socials and everywhere

00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:34.880
you can find them. They also just released some

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.110
great new t -shirts. that are available on their

00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:42.610
website. They're kick -ass and cat -themed. Hope

00:46:42.610 --> 00:46:46.530
to see y 'all at Phipps Farm on April 11th. Hope

00:46:46.530 --> 00:46:50.050
to see y 'all up in Athens next month. Hope to

00:46:50.050 --> 00:46:53.050
see you somewhere. Thanks for listening, y 'all.

00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:56.769
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00:46:56.769 --> 00:46:59.210
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00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:02.429
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00:47:02.429 --> 00:47:05.650
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00:47:05.650 --> 00:47:07.610
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