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Gang Stability was recorded at Chase Park and

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Patterson actually got the studio time from helping

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hang drywall to build the studio. Welcome to

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Overeducated and Underemployed. We got a great

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episode this week with Matt Lane, the first drummer

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for the Drive -By Truckers, the drummer for the

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Possibilities, the drummer for the Lanes, and

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of course the drummer for Sloan Brothers on Love

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and Other Diagnosis, which there's still just

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a handful of copies of those left. There's a

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handful of copies of the Lanes record left too.

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There's links to both of those in the description.

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Got a lot of cool stuff coming up in the real

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world to come out of the rec room on March 20th

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for a comedy show with Sean Lubin, myself, some

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local comics, Caleb Thomas, Laurent Josie Jr.,

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Carol Hatcher. It's put on by Tallywheel Comedy.

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Make sure you come check that out. It's $10.

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There's a ticket link in the description of this

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episode. And don't forget about P -Funk Fest

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a month from today, April 11th at the Phipps

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Farm. There's tickets available still for that.

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Kids are free. Link in the description of this

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episode as well. I'll be up in Athens after that,

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up in April for a show on the 21st, and then

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I'll be in Winder, Georgia on the 22nd, both

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with Lanny Farmer. So come check that out. Hit

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the subscribe button. If you like this episode,

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hit like. It really helps a lot. It helps show

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this to more like -minded individuals. And we

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got some really cool stuff coming too. If you're

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only listening to this on a streaming service,

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you might want to go over on YouTube and check

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the channel out because I am posting some exclusive

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content, including an episode about Nucci Space.

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And the homecoming auction, the Heathens homecoming

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auction up in Athens, Georgia every year as part

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of the drive -by truckers. Heathens homecoming.

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I talked to a bunch of fans. Jay Gonzalez popped

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on. So you're going to want to check that out.

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It's going to be exclusively on the YouTube channel,

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though. And as well as that, there's going to

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be some footage from the Danny Bedrosian show

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that George Clinton showed up at. I'm going to

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be posting that exclusively on the YouTube as

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well. And upcoming episodes, we've got Thelma

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and the Sleaze. We've got Carson Taylor. I've

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talked to all of Thelma and the Sleaze, sat down

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with the whole band, LG, Hot Sauce, and Tinkerbell.

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We had an awesome talk. They put on a kick -ass

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show. They're on tour right now, so go check

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them out if they're near you. A lot of folks

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are at South by Southwest right now. I want to

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just wish everybody that I know out there the

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best of shows. I know you're all going to kill

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it. That being said, here's my interview with

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Matt Lane. We have a small issue with his mic

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for the first just like four or five minutes

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of the interview. Just be aware, it gets better

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very quickly. We get into Athens, Georgia music

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history, drive -by truckers music history, and

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also I just think a really overarching struggle

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about how even when you make great music, you

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don't always get recognized for it. That being

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said, Check out the Possibilities record Way

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Out. I think it's a very underrated or at least

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unknown kind of record. So check that record

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out. It's really great. It's got Jay Gonzalez

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from the Drive -By Truckers and Matt Lane. It

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seems like there's a common thread there. It

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seems like the Possibilities, the truckers saw

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a lot in that band. They, over the years, picked

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two members out. So anyway, here's my interview

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with Matt Lane. I'm here with Matt Lane. We're

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on Overeducated and Underemployed, and I'm just

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going to start with the question I ask everybody,

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and we'll get into all the things as we go, but

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what's the first song you remember loving as

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a kid? Yeah, I've heard some of the other episodes

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and had a chance to think about it. There's a

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couple of things I thought of, and I think the

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first one, the one that kind of stands out. The

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most for me was Sailing by Christopher Cross.

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Oh, okay. Yeah, I was like 10 years old. Okay.

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At that time, I was pretty much listening to

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the radio and whatever my parents were playing.

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I don't know. I just remember that song really.

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I was mesmerized by it. That's definitely the

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one, I think. Were you pretty fascinated by music

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in general before that, or do you think that

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was your gateway in? Yeah, I think so. Maybe

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a little before that, just Top 40 Radio and stuff

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like that. Yeah, but that's the one that sticks.

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Yeah, about 10 years old, I think, is about where

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I started noticing things. Yeah, I like this.

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Yeah, Sailing was, I just still love that song.

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I remember the album cover, too. The album cover

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is pretty cool. It's got really good art on it.

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It's real colorful. Yeah. Might not be the coolest

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thing. I think part of what I think is interesting

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about this question is nobody has control over

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what they thought was cool at 10 years old or

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four years old or whatever, but I think it actually

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legitimizes a lot of that music in a way because

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if it's what got somebody who turned their life

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into a life of music in a lot of ways into something,

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then I think that legitimizes the song. I had

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one friend in particular that talked to me about

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that song before. He makes fun of me about it.

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I'm proud of him, man. I still love that song.

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I still love that whole genre. I guess it's yacht

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rock. That whole thing. I've always loved it.

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I worked at a record store that you shopped in

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at one point. I don't think so. And the reason

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I'm bringing them now is because I think it had

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a notoriously pretentious kind of, like, the

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employees were going to judge you for what you're

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buying. Honestly, I don't remember that being

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the same with Monty. And I've heard mixed things.

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I've heard some people say it was, some people

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say it wasn't. I know I approached it always

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in the way that I don't care if you're buying

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Britney Spears or if you're buying whatever.

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You're buying music. That's better than what

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a lot of people do. A lot of people literally

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have no filter, just take whatever is on the

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radio and go no further than that ever. Yeah,

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that's the thing. I've always thought that was

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people. There's some people in a family, even.

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Music just is a thing. It's on the background

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or whatever. It's always been the main thing

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for me. I can't imagine just not wanting to dig

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deep and find out about the start of that kind

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of thing. Yeah, yeah. I'm curious, when did you

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start buying records then? Was it around 10?

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Was that when you started seeking stuff out and

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going? I know that Bainbridge, where you grew

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up, didn't really have a record store when you

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were a kid. No, not really. It's funny. I think

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they do now. Yeah, I don't know. It was a record

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store when we were kids. It was just in the mall.

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Like a Sam Goody or something like that? It wasn't

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even any. It might have been Musicland for a

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while, but it was also, it changed name. Like,

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I don't think Record Bar, but something like

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that, Record Bar or something. So there was a

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company that owned all of those at one point.

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Eventually they had bought Record Bar, Musicland,

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Sam Goody. And FYE had bought all of those stores

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at one point. So I have a feeling that probably

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has something to do with it. Yeah, it changed

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names a couple of times from what I recall. But

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it's funny that I remember that being where Kevin,

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my brother, he might have mentioned this when

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you talked to him, but we pulled our money together

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and bought a Quiet Riot record at that place.

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I think that was like the first. I remember it.

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That was like the first record that I paid money

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for. And Kevin and I had to put our allowances

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together. I think it was Conditioned Critical

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by Choir Riot. It might have been the first Metal

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Hell. I think it was Conditioned Critical. Nice.

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I love both of those records. I mean, I still

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do too, man. It's fun stuff. We have a soft spot

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for that. We started our first quote -unquote

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band. playing the Quiet Riot record and just

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miming along to it. When was it that you decided,

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just to back up just a little bit, when did you

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decide to get your own instruments and all that

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sort of thing? I want to play music. I don't

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want to just listen to it. Yeah, we just always

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had it around. Our dad was a musician, and so

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there was always guitars. It was just always,

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and we'd just pick them up and mess around. So

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it was just... So they were there. Always there.

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Yeah, that's cool. And I guess what I'm talking

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about is playing along to Riot Records. I was

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probably 12, 13, maybe, something like that.

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So Kevin would have been 11, 10, 11. Kind of

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that. That was the start. It wasn't a band as

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in we were playing the music, but we had guitars

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and we were just miming along. And I got a drum

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set at some point. It's an old Remo drum set,

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which is, I don't even really see those. I haven't

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really seen many Remo drum sets, the Remo heads

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and all that, but I don't even remember how we

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got that thing or where it came from, but it

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was probably around 12 or 13, I was 13. And that

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kind of just evolved into Kevin sort of learned

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how to play the guitar and gravitated toward

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the drums. It's been in dance ever since then.

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You were gravitating towards the drums right

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away. Switch your mic. That one's dying. Sorry.

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Okay. I'm sorry. I lost my train of thought.

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You said you were always gravitating towards

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drums. Yeah. Kevin had said before, and I think

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that it's right. I have a hazy memory of it,

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but he had actually started playing drums. I

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was messing around with guitar. He just became

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more interested. We just fell into those things.

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He gravitated toward guitar more. Yeah, yeah.

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Shook out that way. I don't remember there being

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like a moment. Were there other kids playing

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music much in Bainbridge or was it just y 'all?

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Not really. We had our little group of friends

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that would We had two or three friends that we

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would play in these little bands with, and nothing

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ever really stuck back then until I think I was

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about 16 when we started our first real band.

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It was another pair of brothers, actually, that

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we started our first band with called the Insults,

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and that was my first real band. We started to,

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yeah, I was about, I think I was 16. I might

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have been 15. And you were playing out a little

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bit. There wasn't really anywhere to play down

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there. But we eventually, we played people's

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backyard parties and stuff like that. But there

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was not a, there wasn't a club to play or anything

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like that. And we were underage at the time.

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But, yeah, we had this, my dad had this little

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shed that he built in the backyard. And we just

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had everything set up in there. Just played in

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there. I talked to Justin Long, who's a guy out

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of Tallahassee. He produced a bunch of records

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and was in a band called No Address. Yeah. I

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don't know if you recall that. That's familiar.

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Early 2000s kind of thing. But he was talking

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about how they used to just rent out a place

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and sell their own tickets. Yeah. And just totally

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DIY the stuff. Just kind of had to make it happen

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themselves. Yeah. Especially. when they were

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under underage because there was literally nowhere

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for anyone to play yeah so what was the first

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band that you started like really playing out

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with do you think really it was it would have

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been the possibilities would have been but we

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as far as just like really playing shows really

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went until we moved to athens which was 94. yeah

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that was the possibilities and yeah kevin talked

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about that some but i definitely want to hear

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like Your version of the story of why you moved

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to Athens and what drew you here in the first

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place. Yeah, it was basically just that. By that

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point, we were in high school, and Kevin, we

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met this guy, our friend Bob, in high school,

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and we were in a marching band together, all

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three of us, and just met him, and he was kind

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of interested in playing too, and he played a

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little guitar and just started that up. And that

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was, we literally would, Bob's dad had a trailer

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out on Lake Seminole, about 20 miles outside

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of Danvers. And he didn't live there full time.

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So we just had access to this trailer. We just

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went out there almost every day and just played,

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played. And the same thing. Yeah. It was just

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like, that was, we'd invite friends out there

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sometimes. But yeah, there was nowhere to play.

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We didn't really play out anywhere other than,

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like I said, we'd do little parties and stuff

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like that. So you moved to Evans because you

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wanted places to play music? Pretty much, yeah.

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By that point, we had really started kind of

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getting a little serious about it, and Kevin

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was writing a bunch more songs, and Bob was writing

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songs, too. And yeah, we just wanted to... to

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go for it, and Athens was not too far away. Yeah.

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And it had a reputation, too, obviously, for

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everything. Yeah, for sure. And the cost of living

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was, I think, really killer back then. I think

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back on it, the first house we found was on Willow

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Run, which is a normal town, and we think it

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was $500 a month for all three of us. And I think

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back on it now. That's crazy. Unbelievable how

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much more expensive things are now. We were just

00:16:01.389 --> 00:16:04.309
able to come up here with nothing, really. Find

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little jobs and make enough money to pay the

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rent and the bills and be able to play music

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and just play it out as much as we could. Yeah.

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So this has been a recurring story on this podcast,

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I think. And not just with Athens, but definitely

00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.200
with Athens where I think the cost of living

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being so low is part of what was essential to

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making it such a cultural center for art because

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you had the ability to be a starving artist or

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a starving musician and still have a roof over

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your head and still... Be able to occasionally

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go out and get something nice to eat or something

00:16:50.669 --> 00:16:52.990
like that. Yeah, exactly. I don't know if that's

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possible. I guess people still do it here. I

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don't know that it is. It's definitely not like

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it was back then. We'd get just whatever little

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crappy job we could find and just a job that

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would let us be off when we wanted to and not

00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:13.599
have to go in at 8 o 'clock in the morning. Just

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whatever job we could find, make whatever money.

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It was enough to get by. I remember Jay talked

00:17:19.019 --> 00:17:22.299
a lot about, Gonzalez talked a lot about delivering

00:17:22.299 --> 00:17:26.400
flowers. Oh, yeah. A lot. Yeah, he had a flower

00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.140
delivery job. We've talked about that a couple

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times now. Yeah, I delivered pizza. I worked

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in liquor stores. Just worked at Wendy's for

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a while. Just little things like that. Whatever

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job, you went from job to job. So you moved to

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Athens, and you had already formed the possibilities,

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or at least the first iteration of the possibilities

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at that point. What are some of the spots you

00:17:51.460 --> 00:17:54.039
were playing when you first got to town? The

00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.220
first place we played was Nowhere Bar. Oh, nice.

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Which is still there. Somehow, I think through

00:18:01.940 --> 00:18:06.299
Bob's dad, I think, but we got connected with

00:18:06.299 --> 00:18:09.990
Rick Fowler. He's still around. I think he works

00:18:09.990 --> 00:18:13.029
at Musician's Warehouse now. Long -time musician

00:18:13.029 --> 00:18:18.210
around town. Great guy. We got connected with

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him somehow. He had a band at the time called

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the Lonely White Boys. It was Beer and Fowler

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that was in Driving and Crying. We booked a show

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opening for them at the Nowhere Bar. That was

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the first place. Nowhere Bar, Friel Arrows was

00:18:35.789 --> 00:18:40.529
the place early on. We got some early gigs, the

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Atomic Music Hall. Atomic became the place we

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played a lot. Yeah. I love the Atomic. Not there

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anymore, unfortunately. Well, and I think that's

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the other element that I constantly hear about

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is, and I don't know what the chicken or the

00:19:00.289 --> 00:19:03.470
egg is, but you have a lot of these spots that

00:19:03.470 --> 00:19:06.309
have closed over the last 20 years. And as somebody

00:19:06.309 --> 00:19:09.460
who, I've been coming to Athens for about 16,

00:19:09.579 --> 00:19:13.940
17 years now. But until recently, usually for

00:19:13.940 --> 00:19:19.000
just like a week or so a year, maybe twice. But

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I would just see a snapshot every time. And I

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think that is a really good way to see the growth

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or decline of a place. And I think I've seen

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both in different ways here. I've seen some things

00:19:32.130 --> 00:19:34.710
decline, some things grow, and some of the things

00:19:34.710 --> 00:19:36.769
that have declined are good things, and some

00:19:36.769 --> 00:19:38.369
of the things that have declined are bad things,

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and some of the things that have grown are good

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things, and some of the things that have grown

00:19:41.589 --> 00:19:43.710
are bad things. Yeah, I'm sure to see that every

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once in a while. If you're here once a year,

00:19:47.750 --> 00:19:50.130
you're like, oh, wow, that's totally different

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than the last time I was here. It used to be

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a really cheap trip. I will say that. I used

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to be able to get a hotel for, 70 bucks a night

00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:06.220
yeah and you eat for under 10 bucks a meal wherever

00:20:06.220 --> 00:20:10.240
you go pretty much and this is i'm not that old

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so this is not that long ago yeah i know that

00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:18.099
being said i still think i'm from italian he's

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a comparable size yeah in the college town as

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well even the chain restaurants are cheaper here

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by a dollar or two on them are they yep okay

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So there is like an element of it being still,

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I think, insulated from some of the inflation

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that's happened around the rest of the country.

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But it's happening. I know there are definitely

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still more expensive places to live. And you

00:20:44.329 --> 00:20:46.589
can get like reasonable drinks at certain bars

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and stuff like that. There's reasonably priced.

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But anyway, so were you playing with any, did

00:20:52.730 --> 00:20:54.309
you start playing with any other bands at that

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point? Once you moved to Athens, the possibilities

00:20:57.089 --> 00:21:01.430
were playing out? Yeah. There were a few times

00:21:01.430 --> 00:21:03.549
where I might have been in. And this is like

00:21:03.549 --> 00:21:06.349
95. Five or six different bands at a time. And

00:21:06.349 --> 00:21:10.950
yeah, we moved here in 94, summer of 94. And

00:21:10.950 --> 00:21:15.730
yeah, I mean, for the first four or five years,

00:21:15.809 --> 00:21:19.170
probably, that was, like I said, I remember having

00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:23.170
to keep a calendar with practice for this band,

00:21:23.269 --> 00:21:24.910
practice for this band show, with this band show,

00:21:24.950 --> 00:21:29.190
and like five or six different bands. meet people.

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You had your own equipment and I'm guessing you

00:21:31.569 --> 00:21:35.109
showed up relatively on time. I guess so, yeah.

00:21:35.369 --> 00:21:39.809
I think, especially for a drummer, those are

00:21:39.809 --> 00:21:44.990
pretty important things. Be reliable and have

00:21:44.990 --> 00:21:51.349
your share. That definitely was. I don't want

00:21:51.349 --> 00:21:54.049
to say there was a shortage of drummers because

00:21:54.049 --> 00:21:58.680
it wasn't ever that. Always looking for a drummer.

00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:03.839
I think so, more so than guitar players. Also,

00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:12.960
it's a lot harder to be a drummer of a band without

00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:17.000
having really pretty refined skills. You can't

00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:22.380
be learning to play drums and fake it. Whereas

00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:26.049
if you're playing rhythm guitar, You can still

00:22:26.049 --> 00:22:28.670
be learning and still playing in bands around

00:22:28.670 --> 00:22:31.970
town and stuff like that. I think there is just

00:22:31.970 --> 00:22:34.890
a natural shortage of drummers. I think so, yeah.

00:22:35.869 --> 00:22:39.430
That's a good point, yeah. From my experience,

00:22:39.549 --> 00:22:42.470
yeah, it's been easier to find a guitar player

00:22:42.470 --> 00:22:46.789
than a drummer. Or a good one, anyway. So let's

00:22:46.789 --> 00:22:48.410
talk about some of the possibilities records.

00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:53.000
and how those came about and the personnel on

00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.319
them and where they were recorded. When did you

00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:01.059
record the first one? Before we did a first official

00:23:01.059 --> 00:23:05.160
record, we would put out these cassettes. We'd

00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.380
make, we probably did four or five different

00:23:08.380 --> 00:23:11.799
albums. We'd just put them on cassette and give

00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.579
them out, sell them. And gosh, the house on Willow

00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:19.039
Run where we live, we recorded. A bunch there.

00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:22.480
The living room was basically our practice space.

00:23:23.299 --> 00:23:25.759
Nice. We just left everything set up in there

00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:27.740
all the time, and we'd have parties in there

00:23:27.740 --> 00:23:31.759
and record there. Okay, I was drawing a blank,

00:23:31.819 --> 00:23:35.799
but I guess the first really thing that kind

00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:39.519
of people knew about or like we did what was

00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.819
called Loser Stew, it was just something we recorded

00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:45.160
and put out on cassette, but it was all recorded

00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.700
there in the living room there. Did Kevin record

00:23:49.700 --> 00:23:53.880
it? Yeah, we basically had a two -track reel

00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.940
-to -reel recorder. Yeah, I think you talked

00:23:55.940 --> 00:23:57.920
about that a little bit. And we'd just play live

00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:01.299
and record it, and it sounded pretty good. Yeah,

00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:04.660
that was the first, kind of considered the first

00:24:04.660 --> 00:24:07.900
record we did. Now, by the time I was promoting

00:24:07.900 --> 00:24:12.279
bands and stuff as a kid, I was burning CDs for

00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.660
them. Yeah. What was just the literal process

00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:18.420
like? for making cassettes would you get them

00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:20.880
manufactured or were you taping them or we just

00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.299
do it all ourselves yeah yeah just double them

00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:27.660
ourselves would you have like multiple output

00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:30.759
like multiple decks to output it to or you literally

00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.960
had to do them one at a time never really like

00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.099
a major operation or anything like we weren't

00:24:36.099 --> 00:24:39.400
selling thousands of them or anything but yeah

00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.299
it was literally through the covers ourselves

00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:45.339
and go to kinko's and copy them and fold them

00:24:45.339 --> 00:24:47.930
up and put them in Yeah, we just did it all ourselves,

00:24:47.990 --> 00:24:50.650
and we give them out to whoever wanted them,

00:24:50.710 --> 00:24:53.349
and I guess we probably sold some here and there,

00:24:53.450 --> 00:24:58.829
maybe. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it's all very DIY.

00:24:58.829 --> 00:25:01.809
I just did it ourselves. And this is around the

00:25:01.809 --> 00:25:04.849
same time that, I guess, Patterson Hood is moving

00:25:04.849 --> 00:25:08.450
to Athens. It was like 95, 96. Yeah, he moved.

00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.029
Yeah, I think it was just like a few months before

00:25:11.029 --> 00:25:13.730
we moved here in 94. Oh, okay, so he was already

00:25:13.730 --> 00:25:18.480
here. Basically the same time. And so you end

00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.460
up being the first drummer for the drive -by

00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.220
truckers. And how did that kind of come about?

00:25:23.299 --> 00:25:26.059
Did you, did he approach you or was it just,

00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.019
you were just playing in so many different bands?

00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.319
It actually started out with the whole, with

00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:32.480
all of the, all three of us and possibilities.

00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:37.980
We, it's funny, we got a, it was very exciting

00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:41.359
because we got our first call to quote a headline,

00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:45.019
a show. It was at Free Alero's, which is a, burrito

00:25:45.019 --> 00:25:48.140
joint but getting our own show for the first

00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:50.599
time they called us and said hey we you want

00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.000
to play a show here okay cool this is great that

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:59.380
was one of those big milestones and and Patterson

00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:01.119
was booked to open for us it was just him by

00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:04.599
himself he was new to town just playing by himself

00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.920
and he hadn't convinced anyone else to move here

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.980
yet I don't yeah I guess not I think him and

00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:13.819
Cooley at the time had I know they'd had falling

00:26:13.819 --> 00:26:15.759
out. I think it might have still been going on.

00:26:15.819 --> 00:26:18.819
Cooley had moved to Memphis, I think. And I know

00:26:18.819 --> 00:26:22.539
Jen hadn't moved here either. He talked her into

00:26:22.539 --> 00:26:25.599
it. I think so, yeah. In like 97 or something.

00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:29.880
96 or 7. Yeah, that's right. That sounds about

00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.980
right because 96 is when we recorded the first

00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:36.200
Trucker stuff. Yeah, I don't think she was here

00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.259
yet. Yeah, but anyway, so we just played that

00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:43.089
show at Friel Eros and we just hit it off. He

00:26:43.089 --> 00:26:45.990
liked our band and we liked him and just were

00:26:45.990 --> 00:26:48.549
talking and hit it off. And he just started hanging

00:26:48.549 --> 00:26:51.250
out with us. He didn't, he was still near the

00:26:51.250 --> 00:26:55.529
town too. And yeah, we just started hanging out.

00:26:55.609 --> 00:26:58.430
He'd come over to the house and play with, excuse

00:26:58.430 --> 00:27:00.750
me, play with us and we'd record things with

00:27:00.750 --> 00:27:04.730
him. And he was kind of looking for, he'd been

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:06.950
playing by himself for a while and he just wanted

00:27:06.950 --> 00:27:10.410
to get back in it. rock band. And he said, I

00:27:10.410 --> 00:27:12.130
just want to be in the loud rock band again.

00:27:12.549 --> 00:27:15.410
So the three of us, he asked us if we wanted

00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:18.849
to back him up, play some of his songs. And we're

00:27:18.849 --> 00:27:20.730
like, yeah, sure. We were just doing anything

00:27:20.730 --> 00:27:25.190
back then. Yeah, let's do it. So that was called

00:27:25.190 --> 00:27:28.630
that band, The Lot Lizards. Yeah, I've heard

00:27:28.630 --> 00:27:30.269
about that. Played in the hi -hat several times.

00:27:30.690 --> 00:27:34.730
And wasn't very, pretty short -lived, I think.

00:27:34.809 --> 00:27:39.359
But the truckers just sprang from that. He asked

00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.559
me to stay on and play drums with the truckers.

00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.920
Kevin and Bob weren't involved in that. Yeah,

00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.920
he just gathered some people. Patterson was working

00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.039
at the Hi -Hat, doing sound at the Hi -Hat at

00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:54.819
the time. That was the hub for all of us back

00:27:54.819 --> 00:27:57.579
then. The Hi -Hat was the place where we all

00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:00.519
played. And he was doing sound there and just

00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:04.779
met a bunch of people, obviously. Saw a bunch

00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:07.039
of people play and said, hey, I like this guy.

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.740
John Neff on pedal steel, and he on drums, and

00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.559
it just sprang from that. He just gathered up

00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:17.299
these people that he met in town, and Cooley

00:28:17.299 --> 00:28:20.259
was obviously involved from the beginning. I

00:28:20.259 --> 00:28:22.539
think they had got met together. He said, all

00:28:22.539 --> 00:28:25.079
right, starting this new band. He wanted Cooley

00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.799
back. So him and Adam Howells from Alabama, he

00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.160
just gathered this thing, and he asked me to

00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.480
play drums with him. So yeah, that's how that

00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.480
started. And the Possibilities are still playing

00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.059
this whole time, too. Yeah. But at what point

00:28:44.059 --> 00:28:47.740
did you put out the first full -length record

00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:52.220
with them? Was that before or after Gangstability?

00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.720
Gangstability was the first fully, the first

00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.539
album. We put out a seven -inch before that.

00:29:00.329 --> 00:29:03.230
It was bulldozers and dirt. Yeah, yeah, I've

00:29:03.230 --> 00:29:05.809
seen that. I think Nine Bullets maybe was the

00:29:05.809 --> 00:29:08.869
B -side. Yes. God, that's terrible. Yeah, that's

00:29:08.869 --> 00:29:13.970
right. Yeah. Yeah, it's become a holy grail trucker's

00:29:13.970 --> 00:29:19.269
item. But, yeah, we did that, and we recorded

00:29:19.269 --> 00:29:22.970
four or five songs at the same time then, those

00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:27.289
two on the 7 -inch. And so we did a little EP

00:29:27.289 --> 00:29:30.200
kind of thing. Yeah, and then Gangsta Bell was

00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:35.720
the first official record. That was 96? I think,

00:29:35.779 --> 00:29:37.740
yeah, yeah. I think that's when it was recorded.

00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.359
The recording and the release of all that is

00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.680
a little bit... Yeah, terrible with dates and

00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.720
when things happen. I don't know that all of

00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.339
the sessions happened all the same time. Anyway,

00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.539
it's... I'll have to... Who was recording those

00:29:56.539 --> 00:29:59.990
sessions? That was... It was at Dave Barbee's

00:29:59.990 --> 00:30:02.789
Chase Park. He was just starting it out. From

00:30:02.789 --> 00:30:05.349
the very beginning, y 'all were working with

00:30:05.349 --> 00:30:10.089
Barbee. We had recorded with Andy Baker, who

00:30:10.089 --> 00:30:12.970
started Chase Street with Dave Barbee. But he

00:30:12.970 --> 00:30:15.869
had his studio in his house, and we had recorded.

00:30:16.109 --> 00:30:18.210
The first stuff we recorded was with Andy Baker

00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:20.769
at his house. Okay. Yeah, that was the first

00:30:20.769 --> 00:30:23.950
thing. But then Gangstability was recorded at

00:30:23.950 --> 00:30:28.740
Chase Park, and Patterson actually got. the studio

00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:32.240
time from helping hang drywall to build the studio.

00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:37.579
Wow. Yeah. So that's, he helped Barbie like just

00:30:37.579 --> 00:30:39.460
hang some drywall and that's how we got studio

00:30:39.460 --> 00:30:42.460
time and recorded that. Yeah. Yeah. I've always

00:30:42.460 --> 00:30:46.039
thought he was like really important to the sound,

00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.960
like the overall sound of not just the records,

00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.019
but the band itself. Yeah, for sure. It was that.

00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.630
And then the second album, He didn't record,

00:30:55.690 --> 00:30:58.150
we just recorded that on, but he obviously became

00:30:58.150 --> 00:31:01.230
a huge part of everything they've done since

00:31:01.230 --> 00:31:05.170
then, pretty much. Yeah. And the possibilities

00:31:05.170 --> 00:31:08.029
were, they put out a record around this time

00:31:08.029 --> 00:31:13.049
as well, right? Yeah. Our first album would have

00:31:13.049 --> 00:31:17.250
been, I think it was 98? I think so, yeah. Which

00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:20.150
is, I think, the official date on Gangstability,

00:31:20.269 --> 00:31:23.009
too. Yeah. In terms of when it came out and everything.

00:31:23.869 --> 00:31:26.789
Yeah, it was all right around the same time.

00:31:27.230 --> 00:31:30.849
The first Possibilities record was our friend

00:31:30.849 --> 00:31:33.690
Kelly Kniep. He had started a little label called

00:31:33.690 --> 00:31:37.210
Backburner Records. He put that out for us, and

00:31:37.210 --> 00:31:41.150
he put out records by Jack Logan and Chick Chestnut,

00:31:41.269 --> 00:31:45.009
and Barbie did a record or two for him, and Rob

00:31:45.009 --> 00:31:48.470
Ville had some solo albums dropped from the Dashboard

00:31:48.470 --> 00:31:51.430
Saviors. So, yeah, he was just putting out Friends

00:31:51.430 --> 00:31:54.670
records pretty much. Had all these friends that

00:31:54.670 --> 00:31:58.390
were just great songwriters and put out a bunch

00:31:58.390 --> 00:32:01.490
of great records. So, yeah, he put that out for

00:32:01.490 --> 00:32:03.809
us. That was our first possible. It was one of

00:32:03.809 --> 00:32:06.130
his first, too, wasn't it? It might have been.

00:32:06.670 --> 00:32:09.369
I hadn't really thought about that. It might

00:32:09.369 --> 00:32:11.690
have been. I don't know if it was the first.

00:32:11.950 --> 00:32:14.130
Yeah, I can't remember what Kevin said about

00:32:14.130 --> 00:32:18.289
it. It was one before. I don't know. I think

00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:22.269
maybe Rob. Bill had done one before maybe. And

00:32:22.269 --> 00:32:26.609
Kelly and Jack Logan were, they were like best

00:32:26.609 --> 00:32:29.130
friends. They were close. Jack was just always

00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:32.750
recording, putting stuff out. I think there probably

00:32:32.750 --> 00:32:35.710
been a Jack thing or two was probably first.

00:32:36.069 --> 00:32:39.230
They just did so much together all the time.

00:32:39.769 --> 00:32:44.250
So I'm curious, do you think you had any idea

00:32:44.250 --> 00:32:48.799
that if I were to ask you back then, that Patterson

00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.900
and Cooley and the truckers like that band would

00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:53.819
still be doing what they're doing. Honestly,

00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.000
no, I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't like, I was

00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.119
like, Ooh man. I mean, it was great. It was fun.

00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:04.839
But I never had that thought of, Oh man, this

00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:08.099
has got to be, this has got to be big. And honestly,

00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.359
I, the possibilities were my main thing. And,

00:33:12.970 --> 00:33:15.529
It got to a point where both bands were doing

00:33:15.529 --> 00:33:18.589
so much, I just had to go. And they're very different

00:33:18.589 --> 00:33:22.210
kinds of music, too. I love the possibility.

00:33:22.450 --> 00:33:24.630
Way Out's the one that I just, I can't get enough

00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:27.950
of. Yeah, that's kind of our, yeah. And that's

00:33:27.950 --> 00:33:32.289
the point that Jay joins the band around like

00:33:32.289 --> 00:33:38.450
2000, 2001. I think Jay and Chris Graham, Jay

00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:41.950
and Chris were like best friends. they moved

00:33:41.950 --> 00:33:44.910
down from New York together in another band and

00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:48.210
we got we met them just through playing another

00:33:48.210 --> 00:33:50.730
they're in a band called Love Apple and yeah

00:33:50.730 --> 00:33:54.309
yeah we played shows with them we just met them

00:33:54.309 --> 00:33:58.250
hit it off with them and we all like the same

00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:02.069
kind of things and and so we just we have been

00:34:02.069 --> 00:34:05.170
the possibilities have been through it was always

00:34:05.170 --> 00:34:08.719
me Kevin and Bob and we'd had a another guitar

00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.860
player for a while. We had a pedal steel player

00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.340
in the early days. And we had one of our good

00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:16.219
friends play bass for a while and Bob played

00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:21.179
guitar. We added a fourth member three or four

00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:24.340
different times. And when we met Chris and Jay,

00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:29.980
we asked them to do it. And that was, this is

00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:32.519
the version of the possibility that was best.

00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.320
Jay played a bunch of keys and Chris played guitar.

00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:42.150
And that was about, I think it was 98 when they

00:34:42.150 --> 00:34:46.849
joined. And it sounds like that, you're at that

00:34:46.849 --> 00:34:48.750
point taking the Possibilities really seriously.

00:34:50.190 --> 00:34:53.929
That had been what you moved to Athens to do,

00:34:54.050 --> 00:34:56.730
was to take that band seriously. Yeah, that was

00:34:56.730 --> 00:35:02.510
my main thing. Co -writing those songs, those

00:35:02.510 --> 00:35:05.610
Possibilities songs? Not really. I wrote a couple

00:35:05.610 --> 00:35:10.329
of songs. I had that Loser Steve that I was talking

00:35:10.329 --> 00:35:12.530
about earlier, the cassette we put out. I had

00:35:12.530 --> 00:35:15.550
a couple songs on that, but I wasn't doing a

00:35:15.550 --> 00:35:18.550
whole lot of writing. Kevin and Bob just took

00:35:18.550 --> 00:35:20.710
that over, and they were a lot better at it than

00:35:20.710 --> 00:35:23.909
I was. But it was never something that you felt

00:35:23.909 --> 00:35:26.150
like you had to do. You never felt compelled

00:35:26.150 --> 00:35:28.650
to write songs or anything like that? No, no.

00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:32.849
Some people, it's a compulsion. Yeah, yeah. I'm

00:35:32.849 --> 00:35:35.659
definitely not one of those people. wakes up

00:35:35.659 --> 00:35:37.340
in the middle of the night with some song that

00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:40.539
just popped out. That happens to me with jokes.

00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.699
Yeah, that's what that notepad is from. I'm like

00:35:43.699 --> 00:35:45.260
trying to decipher. Just keep it with you all

00:35:45.260 --> 00:35:50.059
the time. Yeah. I have had that kind of stuff

00:35:50.059 --> 00:35:52.619
happen before. I would lay in bed and just, this

00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:56.179
melody will pop in my head. I'm just, it's always

00:35:56.179 --> 00:36:00.019
something that I've wanted to do and still do.

00:36:00.699 --> 00:36:04.019
But it's, I've always just, I love playing the

00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:06.159
drums. I just kind of settled into that thing,

00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:10.780
and I've been very fortunate to play drums with

00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:14.519
a lot of great songwriters. And part of it with

00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.460
me, too, is just I'm not going to add anything

00:36:17.460 --> 00:36:20.139
better than what any of these guys are doing.

00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.659
Yeah. So I'll just play drums. I was happy doing

00:36:23.659 --> 00:36:28.079
that. So, yeah, it was just never really a need

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.300
for me because it had been, like, those days

00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:33.699
Kevin and Bob were just cranking out. songs all

00:36:33.699 --> 00:36:36.300
the time you're just like staying stay in my

00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.400
lane yeah i'll just yeah i'll just stay back

00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.500
here pun intended yeah yeah thank you i appreciate

00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:46.420
the rim shot there i need that my jokes really

00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:48.539
need a drummer that's offensive as a comedian

00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:52.519
like that's the blue tune i think it's it depends

00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.980
yeah i think if it's a good joke it doesn't need

00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:57.619
it yeah i just i haven't really thought about

00:36:57.619 --> 00:37:01.159
that bad joke just now i feel like if it's a

00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.559
bad joke yeah it could save it. Yeah. But it

00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.920
can also backfire. Cause if you, if it's a bad

00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.719
joke and it doesn't save it, it makes it worse.

00:37:10.420 --> 00:37:13.320
Yeah. No, I just, that was just a thought that

00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:14.820
just popped. Never thought about that before,

00:37:14.900 --> 00:37:18.480
but is that a, I don't know, like what comparable

00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.079
for the band? I don't know, but it just, is that

00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.139
a, something that comedians are like, Oh God,

00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.460
but in thing, I don't know. I don't think so.

00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:31.099
Not personally, at least I know I had a, I did

00:37:31.099 --> 00:37:33.380
a show a long time ago at a coffee shop and there

00:37:33.380 --> 00:37:36.980
was a guy that was playing guitar before the

00:37:36.980 --> 00:37:39.260
show. Yeah. And we just told him to keep going.

00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.900
He was just like playing like acoustic classical

00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:45.940
kind of riffs or whatever. Yeah. Real quietly

00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:49.239
and we were just like. Keep going, man. That's

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.119
fine. And it made it hilarious. It made it objectively

00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.159
funny. It made everything objectively funny.

00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:56.820
Because there would just be a break and you'd

00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:59.860
just hear the... It just became like this hilarious

00:37:59.860 --> 00:38:03.340
thing. It was great. Yeah, yeah. One of those

00:38:03.340 --> 00:38:05.340
happy accident things. I think it's one of those

00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:08.960
things, too. Like, what's the origin of the...

00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.219
Yeah, I don't know. Because I feel like when

00:38:12.219 --> 00:38:14.820
it first came out, it was probably super helpful.

00:38:15.260 --> 00:38:17.739
Yeah, yeah. I guess that was, it just, it was

00:38:17.739 --> 00:38:20.679
actual thing that like back in whatever. Yeah,

00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.639
like on Johnny Carson or whatever. Like it was

00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.159
actually used as a punctuation to a joke. I don't

00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.699
know. Telling, I guess people were a lot more

00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:32.840
reserved back then. Yeah. So like telling them

00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:34.920
when they were. Okay, you can laugh now. Yeah,

00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.280
yeah. That's interesting. I never really thought

00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:41.269
about it. That's really interesting. Now I'm

00:38:41.269 --> 00:38:42.989
going to have to go study it. I think I'll do

00:38:42.989 --> 00:38:45.309
some research. Where did the ba -dum -bum come

00:38:45.309 --> 00:38:49.289
from? It might be another episode. Have you ever

00:38:49.289 --> 00:38:52.250
played that role on a show where you got to do

00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:56.769
the ba -dum -bums? Not on schedule. I've probably

00:38:56.769 --> 00:39:00.730
done it. As a pimp. I'm sure I've done it. To

00:39:00.730 --> 00:39:02.809
make fun of the singer or whatever. Singer tells

00:39:02.809 --> 00:39:06.150
something, some dumb joke or something. I'm sure

00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:09.130
I've done that, but yeah. Never been on a variety

00:39:09.130 --> 00:39:14.210
show? No, never done it, no. No. I remember like

00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:18.489
in high school, I played timpani at like a, not

00:39:18.489 --> 00:39:20.769
a fashion show, a pageant of some sort. Anyway,

00:39:20.889 --> 00:39:24.829
no. But no, not like a variety show with a ba

00:39:24.829 --> 00:39:27.849
-dum -tum specifically, no. I'm sure I've done

00:39:27.849 --> 00:39:32.869
it jokingly here and there. You're putting out

00:39:32.869 --> 00:39:35.530
records with the possibilities. You're touring.

00:39:35.769 --> 00:39:38.030
Did you guys start touring? Yeah, a little bit.

00:39:38.110 --> 00:39:42.110
We did some, yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought.

00:39:42.349 --> 00:39:45.030
But you're also still the whole time having to

00:39:45.030 --> 00:39:47.429
work day jobs, right? Having what? I'm sorry.

00:39:47.469 --> 00:39:49.570
You're working day jobs the whole time too, right?

00:39:49.849 --> 00:39:51.670
What are some of those? I know you mentioned

00:39:51.670 --> 00:39:53.289
a couple of them earlier. What are some of the?

00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:56.800
I specifically remember. I was working at Liquor

00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.940
Store. I remember having to get off from this

00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:02.820
liquor store on weekends a lot, especially for

00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:06.099
the truckers. It got to a point where the truckers

00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:11.039
were really, almost every weekend or so, we'd

00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.659
be going somewhere. Working at the liquor store

00:40:14.659 --> 00:40:18.260
then, and I did for the next several years, actually.

00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.840
It was a good job that I could do that. I could

00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.739
take off for a weekend here and there. But, yeah,

00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.699
delivered pizzas around that time, too, a little

00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:31.739
bit. I remember that. The before and after the

00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:34.860
evening. Yeah, yeah. Getting the liquor in. Oh,

00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:38.119
yeah, yeah. I delivered sandwiches for a while.

00:40:38.380 --> 00:40:41.420
I actually really enjoyed that. I loved delivering

00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:43.840
pizzas, man. Because everybody was always so

00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.119
happy to see me. Yeah, yeah. You're the life

00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.639
of the party. You got food. Yeah. Yeah, I loved

00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.739
delivering food. You'd drive around and listen

00:40:53.739 --> 00:40:59.039
to music. I'm a big baseball fan. Whenever baseball

00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.820
season, you drive around and listen to baseball

00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:03.900
games. Yeah, I'm a big baseball guy, too. I love

00:41:03.900 --> 00:41:06.199
that. Yeah. I'm guessing the Braves are your

00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.059
team. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tampa Bay here. Oh, yeah.

00:41:09.219 --> 00:41:12.940
Yeah. The Rays. It's because I hate myself. Yeah,

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.099
the Rays. I can see that being frustrating. I

00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:16.739
kind of like how they – It's kind of like being

00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:19.199
a Florida State Seminole baseball fan. Yeah.

00:41:19.820 --> 00:41:23.039
Yeah, it's funny. I was a Seminole fan as a kid.

00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:28.500
Yeah. switch to Georgia at some point. We both

00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:32.300
hate Florida so much that I think they're certainly

00:41:32.300 --> 00:41:37.579
compatible. They're very compatible in terms

00:41:37.579 --> 00:41:40.340
of fandom. You hate Florida as much as Georgia

00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:43.659
fans do. That's the only thing we have to argue

00:41:43.659 --> 00:41:46.940
about, really, is who hates Florida more. Everybody

00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:50.929
hates Florida. But you didn't always stay in

00:41:50.929 --> 00:41:53.170
Athens. There was a time you moved back to Bainbridge

00:41:53.170 --> 00:41:56.110
for a while, am I right? Yeah, I did, yeah. That's

00:41:56.110 --> 00:42:00.869
after I got married. We had our first kid. That

00:42:00.869 --> 00:42:06.730
job at the time, my wife's dad, he just kind

00:42:06.730 --> 00:42:09.210
of wanted to do something different with his

00:42:09.210 --> 00:42:13.710
life. He quit his career. He had a sales job

00:42:13.710 --> 00:42:17.929
for a long time, and he was sick of it. open

00:42:17.929 --> 00:42:21.489
a pizza place so he opened this pizza place it

00:42:21.489 --> 00:42:24.230
was actually in grayson which is between here

00:42:24.230 --> 00:42:28.409
and atlanta i got you 30 30 miles from here and

00:42:28.409 --> 00:42:34.210
he out in my i was actually oh yeah i've done

00:42:34.210 --> 00:42:37.630
a lot of pizza yeah i've worked in many a pizza

00:42:37.630 --> 00:42:42.559
joint and still Part of me still kind of wants

00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.159
to go back to it at some point. Anyway, love

00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.320
everything about making pizzas. But anyway, yeah,

00:42:49.340 --> 00:42:52.780
the liquor store job that I had with, we had

00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:59.039
a young child at the time, and having to deal

00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.980
with her and her daycare and figuring out what

00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:05.099
to do with her between me and my wife, working,

00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.159
it became a thing with the liquor store out.

00:43:09.769 --> 00:43:12.829
I was, like, managing it at that time, and my

00:43:12.829 --> 00:43:15.530
boss was like, I really need you to be here,

00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:18.610
like, these certain times, which, yeah, that

00:43:18.610 --> 00:43:22.789
makes sense. But I can't. Anyway, so that liquor

00:43:22.789 --> 00:43:25.210
store job kind of was like, all right. Lifestyle

00:43:25.210 --> 00:43:28.650
incompatibilities, yeah. Yeah. And that's around

00:43:28.650 --> 00:43:30.949
the time that I heard from my wife's dad. My

00:43:30.949 --> 00:43:33.110
father -in -law started this pizza place, and

00:43:33.110 --> 00:43:35.250
he asked me to help him run it. So I was like,

00:43:35.309 --> 00:43:37.510
yeah, I'll do that. He's like, I'll pay you.

00:43:37.849 --> 00:43:40.170
the same money you're making right now. And yeah,

00:43:40.269 --> 00:43:45.750
sounds good. Yeah. And that unfortunately didn't

00:43:45.750 --> 00:43:48.989
work out too well. He, he kind of lost some money

00:43:48.989 --> 00:43:52.690
on that whole deal. I gotcha. So yeah, I was

00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:55.070
still playing in bands the whole time. Yeah.

00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:58.010
At that point though, what was that like, especially

00:43:58.010 --> 00:43:59.550
with somebody who was so much equipment, were

00:43:59.550 --> 00:44:02.789
you like leaving your drums here or. Actually,

00:44:02.889 --> 00:44:08.380
I take that back. Like. I wasn't actually in

00:44:08.380 --> 00:44:12.679
a band full -time. The possibilities were done

00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.440
by that time. Actually, I'm just trying to think

00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:24.059
now. Kevin had started the Arcs. I actually didn't

00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:28.119
have a full -time band. Actually, when I moved

00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.320
back down there, we moved back down there for

00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.760
three years. My mom was a real estate appraiser.

00:44:34.730 --> 00:44:37.869
She needed help with that. When the pizza place

00:44:37.869 --> 00:44:41.449
thing was falling apart, my father -in -law was

00:44:41.449 --> 00:44:43.730
like, I just can't afford to pay you anymore.

00:44:44.849 --> 00:44:50.750
Mom was like, move down here. I had a child that

00:44:50.750 --> 00:44:53.289
she wanted to be near, obviously. Move down here

00:44:53.289 --> 00:44:57.369
and help me with the appraisal. That's a good

00:44:57.369 --> 00:44:59.550
idea. I learned how to do real estate appraisals.

00:44:59.809 --> 00:45:01.889
I did that. I got my license and all that. I

00:45:01.889 --> 00:45:05.340
worked with her. We were there for three years

00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:09.039
and then moved back here. But I was in a cover

00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.840
band down there. I had some friends from high

00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.480
school that I hooked up with again, and they

00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:17.340
had a little cover band that was a legit thing.

00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:21.400
They played, actually, Tallahassee was one of

00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.400
the Bullwinkles in Tallahassee. Oh, yeah, I know

00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.320
Bullwinkles. That was one of the... I don't go

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.599
there often, but... Probably, yeah, I wouldn't

00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.739
imagine, yeah. I like to make better life choices

00:45:30.739 --> 00:45:34.630
than that. Yeah. I was getting paid to be there.

00:45:34.829 --> 00:45:37.230
That was the thing. I was getting paid for it.

00:45:37.849 --> 00:45:42.909
Those friends from high school, it was fun playing

00:45:42.909 --> 00:45:46.389
with them. You just play these For context, Bullwinkles

00:45:46.389 --> 00:45:51.190
is a very college oriented bar. It was wild,

00:45:51.289 --> 00:45:56.210
man. It was interesting. It was funny. There

00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:59.130
were two main places that cover band played.

00:45:59.210 --> 00:46:04.150
Bullwinkles was one. a place called PUDs. I've

00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:05.650
heard of that place. Have you heard of PUDs?

00:46:05.710 --> 00:46:08.869
Yeah. It's notorious. I don't know if it's still

00:46:08.869 --> 00:46:10.949
there or not. It might be, but it was literally

00:46:10.949 --> 00:46:15.170
this kind of a warehouse building out in a really

00:46:15.170 --> 00:46:17.309
small town called Brinson, Georgia, just like

00:46:17.309 --> 00:46:21.329
15 miles outside of Bay Bridge. And it was literally

00:46:21.329 --> 00:46:24.730
down this dirt road with houses on either side,

00:46:24.789 --> 00:46:29.300
not like a neighborhood, rural. dirt road and

00:46:29.300 --> 00:46:31.360
there's just this bar out there middle of nowhere

00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:36.619
and so yeah that was two kind of very interesting

00:46:36.619 --> 00:46:41.599
wild places to play shows at but it was fun and

00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.440
back then y 'all still had that kind of attitude

00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:50.519
like i played at the cover band but it was fun

00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.960
man it was just something to do and make a little

00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.679
extra money i will say that area man like that's

00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.960
what the people pay to see, go see, or whatever.

00:46:59.059 --> 00:47:02.679
They don't really go see a lot of original music

00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.500
in that area. I think it's similar to what Patterson

00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:09.380
talks about with the Muscle Shoals area and why

00:47:09.380 --> 00:47:12.360
he left it, because it was a recording town,

00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:14.900
people wanted to hear cover bands, and he wasn't

00:47:14.900 --> 00:47:18.039
interested in doing that. Yeah, there wasn't

00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:22.360
a lot of original bands on there back then. Yeah,

00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.449
I think there was like a bubble. And we talked

00:47:25.449 --> 00:47:26.869
about one of the bands for a minute earlier,

00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:29.809
No Address. There was like a bubble where five

00:47:29.809 --> 00:47:35.190
bands out of kind of that area got signed. Social

00:47:35.190 --> 00:47:39.650
Burn was from Bluntstown, the Oxford area. There

00:47:39.650 --> 00:47:44.750
was Presence and No Address. And then Stand Still

00:47:44.750 --> 00:47:47.170
got signed. They ended up working with them.

00:47:48.530 --> 00:47:52.269
Do you remember a band? God, what were they called?

00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.780
Was it Gruul? Yeah. You remember them? Yeah.

00:47:55.980 --> 00:47:57.980
I remember them. They're still around a little.

00:47:58.139 --> 00:48:00.000
They did reunion shows every once in a while.

00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.559
Yeah. I remember Gruul. I don't even know if

00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.340
I... That may have been one of Mike Coleman's

00:48:06.340 --> 00:48:09.260
bands. Yeah. Mike Coleman was a guy I worked

00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:12.219
with at Vinyl Fever. Yeah, I don't know if I

00:48:12.219 --> 00:48:15.599
ever knew him or met him or even saw him. I just

00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.679
remember they were a big enough deal. Bacon Ray?

00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.780
You ever remember that band, Bacon Ray? Bacon

00:48:23.780 --> 00:48:27.900
Ray? Yeah. Spring Break 82. Those are, I think,

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.059
some bands that... Yeah. They're doing a big,

00:48:31.059 --> 00:48:37.480
like, punk, 80s, 90s punk reunion festival. Oh,

00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:40.320
really? Coming up in a couple of... About a month

00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.940
and a half, I think, from now. It's probably

00:48:42.940 --> 00:48:45.139
happening as this airs, to be honest with you.

00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.440
But... So... One thing that strikes me is the

00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:54.679
truckers were notorious for playing like 200

00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.719
shows a year. Yeah. And it sounds like you were

00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:02.400
really more interested in having some kind of

00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.920
a home life. Yeah. Yeah. What were some of the

00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:11.280
early days of touring? Because I'm thinking about

00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.980
there's this window in the late 90s where there's

00:49:15.980 --> 00:49:18.940
no internet there's no yeah there's all these

00:49:18.940 --> 00:49:22.280
resources that that it's like almost like touring

00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.619
in a different world yeah is now there anything

00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:30.139
that comes to mind that yeah it was just patterson

00:49:30.139 --> 00:49:33.440
patterson especially was just very good at promotion

00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.820
and i never really was paid attention that kind

00:49:36.820 --> 00:49:41.820
of but i just know a lot of it was just richmond

00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:44.769
virginia was stands out because we like you just

00:49:44.769 --> 00:49:49.050
go to play in the town go back there a couple

00:49:49.050 --> 00:49:52.070
months later play there again meet people play

00:49:52.070 --> 00:49:56.309
there and just build up the crowd and that was

00:49:56.309 --> 00:49:59.090
a lot of the shows that I played with the truckers

00:49:59.090 --> 00:50:02.969
was playing for nobody at first and going to

00:50:02.969 --> 00:50:06.170
Atlanta over and over again play there more and

00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:10.190
more people Richmond Virginia was one but yeah

00:50:10.190 --> 00:50:13.210
it was just that just That makes sense. You just

00:50:13.210 --> 00:50:15.349
have to go back and play there again and play

00:50:15.349 --> 00:50:19.090
there again. How do you keep your spirits high

00:50:19.090 --> 00:50:21.690
doing that? That's, I feel like, one of the hardest.

00:50:22.409 --> 00:50:26.550
Yeah. The possibilities were more like that.

00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:32.150
We got more just trying to find the right word.

00:50:32.829 --> 00:50:37.289
We were just disheartened by it more. The truckers

00:50:37.289 --> 00:50:40.139
were like, no. Patterson especially, he didn't

00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:44.539
care, man. He was going for it. And we just didn't

00:50:44.539 --> 00:50:48.099
have that gum shirt or somebody in the band that

00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:51.519
was willing to. We'd go out and play a show.

00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:53.719
We'd do a tour for a week or two here and there

00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:59.199
and just play for nobody. And we just got into

00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:03.139
that, like, what's the point of this? So it was

00:51:03.139 --> 00:51:05.860
two different kind of attitudes. It was a tour,

00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.250
yeah, philosophies. Yeah. And I think a couple

00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:12.570
of things I've heard Patterson say in The Secret

00:51:12.570 --> 00:51:15.389
to a Happy Ending in particular is he's like,

00:51:15.449 --> 00:51:17.909
when you fall, you got to fall forward. So at

00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:21.250
least you gain a little yardage. But the other

00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:25.550
thing I think about is just he really believes

00:51:25.550 --> 00:51:28.789
there was nothing else for him. Oh, yeah. Like

00:51:28.789 --> 00:51:32.449
that was his only eye. And I feel if you feel

00:51:32.449 --> 00:51:35.750
like this is your best shot of making something

00:51:35.750 --> 00:51:38.099
of your life. Yeah, that was the whole thing

00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:41.380
with him. This is all I got. I'm going to make

00:51:41.380 --> 00:51:45.019
it happen. I got a ton of respect for him for

00:51:45.019 --> 00:51:47.860
doing what he did. I'd never had that in me.

00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.960
The possibilities, for example, we just didn't

00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:57.300
have that person. At that point, too, we had

00:51:57.300 --> 00:52:00.639
all gotten into relationships and getting married.

00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.739
We didn't have kids yet, but starting that kind

00:52:05.739 --> 00:52:09.690
of adult, life thing and yeah yeah i did it like

00:52:09.690 --> 00:52:12.730
backwards i had a kid real young yeah i'm now

00:52:12.730 --> 00:52:16.050
i'm like on the other side of that just ruining

00:52:16.050 --> 00:52:20.269
my life so we're just screwing it all up exactly

00:52:20.269 --> 00:52:26.409
so one way our paths crossed that i was unlocked

00:52:26.409 --> 00:52:31.750
for me yeah re for by kevin the other night was

00:52:31.750 --> 00:52:34.630
when you were living in bambridge yeah the truckers

00:52:34.630 --> 00:52:37.710
on the rock and roll means tour, came through

00:52:37.710 --> 00:52:41.949
Tallahassee, and you played a song with them.

00:52:42.130 --> 00:52:44.690
Was that the first time you had played back with

00:52:44.690 --> 00:52:48.449
them? No. Yeah, that happened before. It happened

00:52:48.449 --> 00:52:50.829
a few times in there. I feel like I'd even seen

00:52:50.829 --> 00:52:53.389
it maybe at a festival or something like that.

00:52:53.809 --> 00:52:59.670
I don't know. Athens, obviously. They play at

00:52:59.670 --> 00:53:01.829
Athens, and I'd sit in for a song or two here

00:53:01.829 --> 00:53:03.429
and there. I don't think I was coming to Athens

00:53:03.429 --> 00:53:06.260
yet. rock and roll musical. I started coming

00:53:06.260 --> 00:53:10.440
a couple years after that. That was 2008. 18

00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:14.699
years ago. That's insane. It is insane, man.

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:20.539
It really is. That was Tallahassee. November

00:53:20.539 --> 00:53:25.559
2nd. November 2nd, 2008? Yeah. I only remember

00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.440
because I went up to Atlanta in the middle of

00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.460
the night on Halloween because I had no plans

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:34.599
for the Atlanta show, which was the first. So,

00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:37.780
yeah, that was just like they came to the moon

00:53:37.780 --> 00:53:40.940
in Tallahassee. And I was a big fan of Hold Steady

00:53:40.940 --> 00:53:44.019
at the time, too. So I just contacted them and

00:53:44.019 --> 00:53:45.820
was like, hey, man, love to go and see the show.

00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.099
And like, yeah, got me tickets to the show. And,

00:53:49.219 --> 00:53:53.099
yeah, played a song with them. It's funny. Was

00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:55.940
it Buttholeville? Yeah, that was, yeah, I'm pretty

00:53:55.940 --> 00:53:58.599
sure it was. Yeah. That was kind of the, when

00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:00.960
I played a song with them, that was. The one.

00:54:01.739 --> 00:54:06.230
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy. It was a big

00:54:06.230 --> 00:54:09.250
crowd, and I was like, oh, man, this is crazy.

00:54:09.829 --> 00:54:13.809
And I'd seen so many shows at the moon from younger

00:54:13.809 --> 00:54:18.630
days. Right, right. Playing at the moon at school.

00:54:19.269 --> 00:54:21.269
What are some of the early shows that you remember

00:54:21.269 --> 00:54:26.610
going to? Oh, man, I saw – Driving in Crime was

00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:30.800
like – we saw them a lot. It's like every – Every

00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:33.940
time they came around anywhere, Kevin and I both

00:54:33.940 --> 00:54:36.340
were just big fans of theirs. Is that part of

00:54:36.340 --> 00:54:38.679
what drew you to Athens too, you think? Yeah,

00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.239
probably. Yeah, because they were from, I guess

00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.519
they're from Atlanta, but yeah. Atlanta, Athens,

00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:49.579
and we'd drive to Atlanta to see shows. From

00:54:49.579 --> 00:54:52.960
Bainbridge? A good bit too, yeah. Situated in

00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.320
kind of a spot where you can... Yeah, it's like

00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:59.840
a four -hour drive to Atlanta. from there. Yeah.

00:55:00.699 --> 00:55:03.659
Not insane. I mean, we, you know, we were young.

00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:07.260
We just drive up there and drive back. I did

00:55:07.260 --> 00:55:09.860
that, that, that night, the night before the

00:55:09.860 --> 00:55:12.159
drive -by truckers hold steady showing at the

00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.340
tabernacle. I drove back to Tallahassee that

00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:16.800
night. Yeah. Even farther. Yeah. Cause I was

00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.920
like, I'm, I've got to be back tomorrow. Cause

00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.599
they're playing at the moon. Yeah. I'd rather

00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:27.019
sleep in my bed. Yeah. So I'm going home. It's

00:55:27.019 --> 00:55:29.030
funny. Didn't even really think about it, but

00:55:29.030 --> 00:55:31.550
yeah, man, let's go. Yeah. I can't imagine doing

00:55:31.550 --> 00:55:35.969
that now. No. Geez. I feel like if I had to,

00:55:36.010 --> 00:55:40.150
I might. Yeah, I probably could if I forced myself.

00:55:40.849 --> 00:55:45.070
But yeah, the moon, though, we saw, I saw the

00:55:45.070 --> 00:55:47.949
Lemonheads and Red Cross there. Oh, yeah. That

00:55:47.949 --> 00:55:50.570
was a big one. I remember seeing Screaming Trees

00:55:50.570 --> 00:55:54.030
there. Great. What else? I mean, there was a

00:55:54.030 --> 00:55:56.320
bunch of shows we saw there. I was at a house

00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.699
show with the guy from the Lemonheads. Oh, really?

00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.679
Five years ago. That was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah,

00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.619
that was wild. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going to

00:56:05.619 --> 00:56:07.820
cut you off. No, you're good. You're good. The

00:56:07.820 --> 00:56:11.900
first kind of, I guess, big show we went to,

00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:13.980
Kevin and I went to, my mom took us because we

00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:17.360
were underage and before we could even drive.

00:56:17.539 --> 00:56:22.559
We went to see DRI there. Oh, nice. It was DRI

00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.280
and sick of it all. Oh, hell yeah. And it was

00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:28.179
another band or two. I can't remember who else,

00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:31.820
but just hardcore show. We were all into that

00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:35.719
at the time. Did your mom like it? She thought

00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.480
it was interesting. She sat up in the back, and

00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.420
she was a music fan. That was my childhood. My

00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:45.699
mom took me to shows. She'd sit in the back.

00:56:45.699 --> 00:56:49.119
I'd go down to the pit. Yeah. She was really

00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.420
cool about that. It wasn't her type of music,

00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.849
obviously. She was like, wow. Because seeing

00:56:55.849 --> 00:56:59.630
that kind of just the mosh pit and the drummer

00:56:59.630 --> 00:57:02.190
and the singer of the ERI literally got in a

00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:04.769
fist fight on stage at that show. I remember

00:57:04.769 --> 00:57:08.210
the singer just dove back into the drums. And

00:57:08.210 --> 00:57:10.409
they shut the show down for a little bit. And,

00:57:10.429 --> 00:57:13.929
yeah, it was nuts. But, yeah, so my mom was watching

00:57:13.929 --> 00:57:16.889
all that. Wow. And she was like, yeah, that was

00:57:16.889 --> 00:57:19.150
interesting. But, yeah, that was at the moon.

00:57:19.230 --> 00:57:22.820
That was like the first. Yeah, the first. rock

00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:26.579
show cool rock show we went to yeah that the

00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:29.619
moon what brings you back what brought you back

00:57:29.619 --> 00:57:32.960
to athens after you moved that was already always

00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.179
the plan it was always like a temporary move

00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:40.460
yeah and that's what led to the lanes fine yeah

00:57:40.460 --> 00:57:43.239
yeah actually getting together a good bit we

00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.420
had already while i was living in manworth we

00:57:46.420 --> 00:57:49.619
were talking about and i think i even Came up

00:57:49.619 --> 00:57:54.340
a few times before I moved back. And you moved

00:57:54.340 --> 00:57:58.960
back what year? That was 2010. Okay. That was

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.039
like 07 to 10. That was three years. But it was

00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.340
always the plan. The job thing just worked out

00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:08.280
when mom needed help. She wanted to be around

00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.360
her grandkid. And we actually had our second

00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.519
child in Baymards while we were living there.

00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:18.820
So you get back to Athens. What bands are you

00:58:18.820 --> 00:58:21.840
playing with at that point? The Waynes was obviously

00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.300
one. We started that. You started that up. Right

00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:27.460
then. Right when you moved back? Pretty much,

00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.880
yeah. Even maybe before I officially moved back,

00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.000
we had already kind of started it. Yeah, yeah.

00:58:33.659 --> 00:58:36.880
The other band at the time was the Wydells, which

00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.940
is still, we're still a band. We hadn't really

00:58:39.940 --> 00:58:43.559
done much in a little while. But yeah, that was

00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.829
one where, before I moved down there, Brandon,

00:58:47.889 --> 00:58:51.630
who's now one of my best friends, he was playing

00:58:51.630 --> 00:58:54.809
bass with the Waddells and he wanted me to join

00:58:54.809 --> 00:58:57.449
to play drums with them. And I was like, I'm

00:58:57.449 --> 00:58:59.409
about to move out of town. So it was literally

00:58:59.409 --> 00:59:02.210
like, I'm moving out of town. I can't really

00:59:02.210 --> 00:59:05.309
start a band. Anyway, so when I came back, that

00:59:05.309 --> 00:59:07.710
was another one. It's like, all right, I'm back.

00:59:07.789 --> 00:59:10.769
And they still needed a drummer and started playing

00:59:10.769 --> 00:59:12.989
with them too. So it was the Lanes and the Waddells

00:59:12.989 --> 00:59:17.039
at that point. And there was always talk of putting

00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.860
out Elaine's record. Yeah. But I know that there

00:59:20.860 --> 00:59:24.260
was, like, there just kept seeming to be something

00:59:24.260 --> 00:59:27.219
that got in the way. Yeah. With the final thing

00:59:27.219 --> 00:59:29.719
being COVID, I guess, being the final thing.

00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.059
Yeah. It was just basically life thing. Right.

00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:38.019
We never really stopped doing the band, but it

00:59:38.019 --> 00:59:41.920
was just, we'd record a couple of songs here

00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:46.619
and there. Not that it doesn't work out or anything,

00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.960
but it's just, I don't know, just record this

00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:54.059
and never really finish it, or not even really

00:59:54.059 --> 00:59:56.980
plan to. Let's just record a couple songs with

00:59:56.980 --> 00:59:59.960
our friend in this house, that kind of thing.

01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.860
But not with any real intention for what you

01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:06.239
were going to do with that. Yeah, there wasn't

01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.679
any, let's make a record. It was just, it's just

01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:13.730
what you do. record songs and we had this kind

01:00:13.730 --> 01:00:19.650
of set of songs and let's record them and wasn't

01:00:19.650 --> 01:00:22.210
ever really any grand plan obviously at some

01:00:22.210 --> 01:00:25.369
point we wanted to make a record but just kind

01:00:25.369 --> 01:00:29.730
of years go by like life and Kevin started having

01:00:29.730 --> 01:00:32.670
kids by that point and he's playing in the arcs

01:00:32.670 --> 01:00:35.610
too yeah he had the arcs too and I had the Waddell

01:00:35.610 --> 01:00:39.630
yeah just It wasn't ever really anything that

01:00:39.630 --> 01:00:43.929
happened. It just took a while. That Arcs record

01:00:43.929 --> 01:00:47.150
is great, too. It seems like he finally, he's

01:00:47.150 --> 01:00:49.570
got all this stuff happening at once. Yeah, yeah.

01:00:50.329 --> 01:00:52.949
He put out the Arcs record last year in the lanes.

01:00:53.210 --> 01:00:57.170
Yeah, it's funny how that all happens. The Arcs

01:00:57.170 --> 01:01:00.510
record, our record, and the Sloan Brothers record.

01:01:00.869 --> 01:01:02.849
And I'm just about to bring him up, too. You're

01:01:02.849 --> 01:01:05.090
about to get it. That's another one that you

01:01:05.090 --> 01:01:08.199
literally just all. happening at the same time.

01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:10.840
Yeah, so Sloan does all the music for this podcast.

01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.800
Yeah, yeah. And I've had him on here before,

01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:16.780
but I'm definitely curious how y 'all first met

01:01:16.780 --> 01:01:21.239
and how he approached you to drum for the Sloan

01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:26.539
Brothers. I'd really, I'd met Sloan just from

01:01:26.539 --> 01:01:28.639
back when he was recording shows all the time.

01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.840
He was just always at shows and shows that we

01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:36.130
played and he would ask to record us. I've met

01:01:36.130 --> 01:01:39.849
him doing that. I never really hang out with

01:01:39.849 --> 01:01:44.230
him a ton. Just seeing him at shows. And I didn't

01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:47.369
really get to know him well at all until we started

01:01:47.369 --> 01:01:50.929
recording that record. He'd done the first Stone

01:01:50.929 --> 01:01:52.789
Brothers record and had, I don't know how many.

01:01:52.829 --> 01:01:56.769
System Update. 50 different people played on

01:01:56.769 --> 01:02:01.449
it. It's crazy. He kind of jokes that people

01:02:01.449 --> 01:02:03.510
were just coming up to him like, hey man, why

01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:06.090
don't you ask me to. He asked me to play on it,

01:02:06.130 --> 01:02:08.210
and I had that a little bit. I'm like, when are

01:02:08.210 --> 01:02:11.869
you going to ask me? I'm not really the type

01:02:11.869 --> 01:02:13.349
that's going to be like, hey, man, let me play

01:02:13.349 --> 01:02:17.130
on your record. So anyway, that was. But when

01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:21.730
the list gets that long. Yeah, yeah. Enough that

01:02:21.730 --> 01:02:25.789
far down the list. Man, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

01:02:26.309 --> 01:02:31.070
He doesn't listen. Yeah, I'm not listening to

01:02:31.070 --> 01:02:34.030
this. But no, I didn't really. We didn't know

01:02:34.030 --> 01:02:38.519
each other. He listens to the theme song. Sorry.

01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.280
I don't want to listen to the rest of this crap.

01:02:42.820 --> 01:02:45.599
That was a good song. Good to hear that one again.

01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.719
But yeah, so anyway, I don't know. I think Brandon,

01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:54.219
I think just from Sloan and Brandon talking about

01:02:54.219 --> 01:02:57.619
Sloan kind of had this idea for his next record.

01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:01.440
He wanted to have a band. Kind of a more fixed

01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.599
personnel. I don't know, 40, 50, however many

01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.920
it was. Because you can imagine, it probably

01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.420
got a little overwhelming. And he was like, all

01:03:11.420 --> 01:03:14.079
right, this one I want to streamline it and just

01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:16.679
have a band for the whole thing. So that was

01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:21.559
where we came in. I think it was Brandon started

01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.480
that thing. So it was me, Kevin, and Brandon,

01:03:23.579 --> 01:03:27.639
guitar, bass, drums. And yeah, we just recorded

01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:31.860
that song in Kevin's place. Still going. Yeah,

01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:33.949
yeah. Just double -checking everything. Yeah,

01:03:33.969 --> 01:03:39.730
yeah. Yeah, and that's when I really got to know

01:03:39.730 --> 01:03:43.030
Sloan, other than just running into him around

01:03:43.030 --> 01:03:45.369
town. So it really was just like a straight -up

01:03:45.369 --> 01:03:50.130
professional kind of relationship at first. Yeah.

01:03:50.849 --> 01:03:53.949
That's pretty cool. Yeah. I think there's a lot

01:03:53.949 --> 01:03:58.269
of people that, when they go to a shitty job,

01:03:58.449 --> 01:04:00.699
they're like, I don't want to make friends. work.

01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:03.300
I don't want these people to know me. I want

01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:05.320
to just do my thing and get out of here. But

01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.679
when you start working and doing the things that

01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:15.119
you really love and enjoy, that can be super

01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:19.440
rich for your social life. It creates all these

01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.440
people that you... And then there's the other

01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:26.079
side. I've got some comedian friends. I loved

01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:30.369
working with you, but that's... That's all. That's

01:04:30.369 --> 01:04:35.510
all. Yeah. It's not even anything personal. It's

01:04:35.510 --> 01:04:38.610
just, if we're not doing anything like super

01:04:38.610 --> 01:04:40.849
productive with this, then what are we doing?

01:04:40.949 --> 01:04:44.570
Yeah. We just jive so well together or whatever.

01:04:44.849 --> 01:04:47.789
Yeah. That's definitely similar things with playing

01:04:47.789 --> 01:04:50.789
in band. That was, especially those early days

01:04:50.789 --> 01:04:53.210
I was talking about before playing in five, six,

01:04:53.230 --> 01:04:55.170
seven different bands at the same time. It was

01:04:55.170 --> 01:04:59.280
just meeting people. Going to each other's shows

01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.960
and just meeting people and saying, let's play

01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.619
together. Yeah, let's do it. I wanted to do everything

01:05:05.619 --> 01:05:09.559
I could. Anyway. Yeah. And there was some of

01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.699
that, too. There was some... Not naming any names.

01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:14.260
Not that I'm really thinking about it. Right.

01:05:14.900 --> 01:05:16.739
Not that I'm even thinking about anybody in particular.

01:05:17.059 --> 01:05:19.820
But there was some bands he played with or whatever.

01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.780
Yeah. That's not really... Or just... I'm not

01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:26.019
really hitting it off with them. I don't really

01:05:26.019 --> 01:05:28.820
just want to hang out with these guys, but if

01:05:28.820 --> 01:05:30.619
we're going to go play music, that's different

01:05:30.619 --> 01:05:36.679
too. Yeah. A lot of similarity there. With the

01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.199
Lanes record, I know y 'all started trying to

01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.719
do some remote recording where you would send

01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:47.059
each other files during COVID and starting to

01:05:47.059 --> 01:05:50.159
do that. Kevin talked about how a lot of the

01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.860
times, and I think this happened with the Arcs

01:05:52.860 --> 01:05:57.659
record some, too. He would get too far down a

01:05:57.659 --> 01:06:00.400
path without any feedback from anybody else.

01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.019
Does that kind of jive with you, your recollection

01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:06.659
of it as well? I guess there was some of that.

01:06:07.219 --> 01:06:09.780
It was ultimately a decision, though, that you

01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:13.800
had to record it together. Yeah, yeah. The Lanes

01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:18.599
record was different because a lot of the, it

01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.360
was probably about half of what ended up on the

01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.679
record was some of it was recorded 10 years ago.

01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:31.079
Gotcha. Wow. And, and then about half of it ended

01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:35.099
up being just me and Kevin. And it was, we had

01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:38.239
all these recordings from before. And I was always

01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.079
like, we got to do something with these. And,

01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:43.940
and then we just decided at some point, like,

01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:46.679
all right, we're going to do the, let's finish

01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.989
this thing. It's been too long. And so me and

01:06:49.989 --> 01:06:53.369
Kevin just decided we're just going to do this

01:06:53.369 --> 01:06:56.590
together. So we recorded. I think we re -recorded

01:06:56.590 --> 01:06:59.170
a couple of songs just by just us two. And there

01:06:59.170 --> 01:07:01.989
was a couple of new songs. So about half of it

01:07:01.989 --> 01:07:04.869
is pretty much just me and Kevin. And so that

01:07:04.869 --> 01:07:10.610
was a different way that it happens over many

01:07:10.610 --> 01:07:13.449
years. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have a record player

01:07:13.449 --> 01:07:16.730
in my hotel yet. I haven't had a chance to. No

01:07:16.730 --> 01:07:18.610
portable record player. I will definitely be

01:07:18.610 --> 01:07:21.170
listening to it as soon as I get home. Yeah,

01:07:21.170 --> 01:07:25.070
it's just like we got to, and that was part of

01:07:25.070 --> 01:07:28.170
the, you want that vinyl. That tangible thing.

01:07:28.429 --> 01:07:32.909
Yeah, this is our thing, and we did it. So the

01:07:32.909 --> 01:07:39.449
kind of plan to make a vinyl pressing of it came

01:07:39.449 --> 01:07:42.389
along with the. plan to play Homecoming, though.

01:07:42.469 --> 01:07:44.610
Is that right? Yeah. I mean, I was definitely

01:07:44.610 --> 01:07:47.849
like the impetus to like, all right, this is,

01:07:47.969 --> 01:07:52.269
because we talked to Patterson for a few years

01:07:52.269 --> 01:07:56.030
about doing that. And it was always, we don't

01:07:56.030 --> 01:07:58.489
really have any, we don't have an album. We don't

01:07:58.489 --> 01:08:01.989
have anything to promote or sell. And not that

01:08:01.989 --> 01:08:04.889
was the be -all and end -all of playing Homecoming.

01:08:05.550 --> 01:08:08.030
But having something tangible, I think, is important.

01:08:08.030 --> 01:08:10.989
I mean, you want somebody. open like they have

01:08:10.989 --> 01:08:14.510
something to sell and so that was that really

01:08:14.510 --> 01:08:19.029
was okay this is the thing let's do this let's

01:08:19.029 --> 01:08:22.609
actually finish this record and we so that definitely

01:08:22.609 --> 01:08:26.289
was a thing that made it they kind of lit a fire

01:08:26.289 --> 01:08:29.590
like all right we got to get this done and so

01:08:29.590 --> 01:08:32.210
yeah that's how like we kevin and i just ended

01:08:32.210 --> 01:08:35.189
up doing a lot of ourselves too just we just

01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:37.680
we can get together we got together with each

01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:40.300
other all the time and and it was just easy me

01:08:40.300 --> 01:08:43.039
and him obviously but yeah that was definitely

01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:47.439
part of the way the reason we got let's finish

01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:53.000
it yeah yeah but yeah i loved the show the other

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.159
night man i thought it sounded fantastic i'm

01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.260
really excited for the record a lot of fun yeah

01:08:57.260 --> 01:09:01.680
yeah that was basically the record it was Same

01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.079
order. We played it all the way through. Oh,

01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:04.779
you just played the record straight. Oh, hell

01:09:04.779 --> 01:09:06.720
yeah. That's awesome. I love it when a band,

01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.800
when they put out a record, they do exactly that.

01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.520
Yeah, it was just like, it just worked out. It

01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:16.439
was the running order of the record. This works

01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.720
for the show, too. Before I let you go, is there

01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:22.300
anything else you feel like we missed? I don't

01:09:22.300 --> 01:09:25.380
want to skip over anything that you maybe meant

01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:28.119
to get back to or anything like that. Wrap it

01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:32.079
up. I don't think so. brothers what no i don't

01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:36.020
think so cool man i guess we were the talking

01:09:36.020 --> 01:09:38.439
about the whole truckers possibilities thing

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:41.119
i don't know i guess we covered that i would

01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.020
i guess i was just gonna say those kind of things

01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:47.960
got it got to a point where truckers were they're

01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:51.600
like we're doing that we were they were talking

01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.659
about the southern rock opera thing at the time

01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:57.460
That was the big idea. They had that idea. Patterson

01:09:57.460 --> 01:10:00.119
was crowdfunding that, right? Yeah, yeah. And

01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.260
we were playing some of the songs from that at

01:10:02.260 --> 01:10:07.100
the time. And that was the point where they were

01:10:07.100 --> 01:10:09.119
really going to, that's when they started, we're

01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:11.859
going to play 200 shows a year. Gotcha. And so

01:10:11.859 --> 01:10:14.960
it was like, I had to be like, possibilities

01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:18.439
was my main thing. And just really, honestly,

01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:21.359
my style of music and all that kind of thing

01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.470
too. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was. I guess we

01:10:24.470 --> 01:10:27.130
covered that, but anyway. A good bit, yeah. I

01:10:27.130 --> 01:10:29.329
think the one thing I don't really know that

01:10:29.329 --> 01:10:33.569
we covered too closely was Jay joining the Possibilities.

01:10:33.590 --> 01:10:36.529
I think we started to and then got Squirrel.

01:10:37.210 --> 01:10:39.949
Yeah, we didn't go into that too much. But, yeah,

01:10:39.989 --> 01:10:44.329
Jay and Chris joined in, like, 98, and that was

01:10:44.329 --> 01:10:47.390
definitely, like, that was the version of the

01:10:47.390 --> 01:10:50.590
Possibilities that was the best, and it was just

01:10:50.590 --> 01:10:54.300
great. We all just hit it off. got along together

01:10:54.300 --> 01:10:57.439
jay was writing some songs with us and chris

01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.979
was chris worked at studios at the time so he

01:11:00.979 --> 01:11:03.960
was really into recording he had a little kevin

01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:07.239
and chris shared a they lived together in this

01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.420
little place for a while they had a little tiny

01:11:10.420 --> 01:11:13.680
little basement and we had a studio set up down

01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.539
there chris did and that's actually where we

01:11:16.539 --> 01:11:20.680
recorded way out excuse me and this album by

01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.229
jack logan called monkey paw Those two albums

01:11:24.229 --> 01:11:28.109
happened at the same time. And the Logan album

01:11:28.109 --> 01:11:30.550
was basically the possibilities with just playing

01:11:30.550 --> 01:11:34.949
Jack songs. Gotcha. Yeah, so just Jay and Chris

01:11:34.949 --> 01:11:39.449
were huge possibilities, yeah. And Jay and Chris

01:11:39.449 --> 01:11:42.390
was who played with us at the Lanes this last

01:11:42.390 --> 01:11:46.869
show. We had a couple other guys, Richard Mikulka

01:11:46.869 --> 01:11:49.909
and Chuck Brabern have been the guitar and bass

01:11:49.909 --> 01:11:52.449
player in the Lanes. Gotcha. The whole time.

01:11:52.649 --> 01:11:56.210
Gotcha. And we had just not really done anything

01:11:56.210 --> 01:12:00.289
for a while. And it had probably been maybe even

01:12:00.289 --> 01:12:03.010
a couple of years since we played a show or anything.

01:12:03.409 --> 01:12:06.350
And it was the trucker thing, the homecoming

01:12:06.350 --> 01:12:10.850
thing came up. And we just, let's get Jay and

01:12:10.850 --> 01:12:14.729
Chris. We played together for 30 years. And we've

01:12:14.729 --> 01:12:17.229
done all kinds of different Beatles cover bands

01:12:17.229 --> 01:12:21.430
and Jay's solo stuff. We've done all these little

01:12:21.430 --> 01:12:24.909
one -off Smithereens cover band shows. Yeah,

01:12:24.930 --> 01:12:27.569
you played on Jay's solo records too, right?

01:12:27.609 --> 01:12:30.550
Yeah. The Bittersweet. I didn't play on The Bittersweet.

01:12:30.550 --> 01:12:33.729
That was a Joe Rowe play drum. Gotcha. But that

01:12:33.729 --> 01:12:38.090
was crisp. Mess of Happiness, though. I didn't

01:12:38.090 --> 01:12:39.989
play on that either. Oh, okay. That was actually

01:12:39.989 --> 01:12:43.029
recorded. I think most of that was done while

01:12:43.029 --> 01:12:45.550
I was living in Bay Ridge. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.

01:12:45.670 --> 01:12:49.189
That makes sense. Oh, God. I'm drawing a blank.

01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.600
I am too. It's fine. Don't worry. I edited this

01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:55.260
to make it seem. Yeah. I was going to say, that's

01:12:55.260 --> 01:12:58.439
right. Oh God. That's terrible. What is back

01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.199
to the hive? Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.239
Back to the hive was, was when I played on that,

01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:08.640
like three or four songs on that. And that was

01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.979
once again, it was me and Kevin and Jay and Chris.

01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:15.340
Basically just a possibilities. Yeah. Without

01:13:15.340 --> 01:13:19.640
Bob. He moved like up to Richmond. several years

01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:24.500
ago and we hadn't really talked to bob too much

01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:27.880
last year but anyway so basically me kevin jay

01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:31.199
and chris and but yeah we just we've done all

01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.779
these different things we cover band shows and

01:13:33.779 --> 01:13:37.920
whenever jay does solo shows it's us four and

01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:41.020
the lane thing like when we're doing the show

01:13:41.020 --> 01:13:46.350
we're gonna be not starting from scratch It's

01:13:46.350 --> 01:13:48.350
been so long since we've done anything. Yeah,

01:13:48.369 --> 01:13:50.930
yeah. Let's just get down to it. Jay was obviously

01:13:50.930 --> 01:13:54.390
going to be there already. Right, yeah. He was

01:13:54.390 --> 01:13:57.250
getting worn out by the end of the night. I don't

01:13:57.250 --> 01:13:58.909
know. I told him. I don't know how the hell he

01:13:58.909 --> 01:14:01.010
does it, man. I don't know. I told him several

01:14:01.010 --> 01:14:03.390
times, like, I don't know how you do this, man.

01:14:04.149 --> 01:14:06.949
They played 30 songs after he played your set.

01:14:07.670 --> 01:14:10.829
They played 30 songs. I know, man. I know. And

01:14:10.829 --> 01:14:15.600
for four nights in a row. I had this. grand idea

01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:20.039
when they first I always go to a show or two

01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:23.579
usually one of the homecoming shows I always

01:14:23.579 --> 01:14:27.340
go to at least one or two and this year I was

01:14:27.340 --> 01:14:31.279
like I'm going all four nights and it got to

01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:33.680
the point like I went the first night Wednesday

01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.289
night and I was like there's no way That's just

01:14:37.289 --> 01:14:42.390
me going and hanging out. I've slept pretty much

01:14:42.390 --> 01:14:45.350
all day the last two days. That weekend was just

01:14:45.350 --> 01:14:49.270
like Saturday and Sunday for me. I just was the

01:14:49.270 --> 01:14:52.569
laziest piece of shit. I just didn't do anything.

01:14:52.989 --> 01:14:57.270
I don't know how any of those guys do it. Half

01:14:57.270 --> 01:14:59.189
of them were out at that comedy show the next

01:14:59.189 --> 01:15:04.289
night too. I know. They're supermen, man. I don't

01:15:04.289 --> 01:15:09.140
get it. They save up a lot for that. They know

01:15:09.140 --> 01:15:11.960
it's coming. They probably don't do a whole lot

01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:13.880
else other than. Yeah, they're not really right

01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:15.920
now. They're not playing a bunch right now. That's

01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:19.319
the only thing for a while. I think this whole

01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:21.119
year they're not really doing a bunch of touring.

01:15:21.220 --> 01:15:23.539
So Patterson Saturday night at the very end of

01:15:23.539 --> 01:15:26.680
the show said that they are not playing. They're

01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:28.970
playing a few shows in Florida. I'm definitely

01:15:28.970 --> 01:15:29.989
going to have to go to one of those. I saw some

01:15:29.989 --> 01:15:32.869
festival that wasn't out, yeah. But Jason's going

01:15:32.869 --> 01:15:34.569
to be there too, so I have a feeling there'll

01:15:34.569 --> 01:15:36.229
be some crossover and that'll be pretty good.

01:15:36.250 --> 01:15:39.689
Yeah, might be. And then he said they're going

01:15:39.689 --> 01:15:41.489
in the studio and recording a new record and

01:15:41.489 --> 01:15:42.670
then they're going to hit the road next year.

01:15:42.850 --> 01:15:45.470
Yeah, Jay told me they're starting to work on

01:15:45.470 --> 01:15:48.210
the record. I'm really excited because I think

01:15:48.210 --> 01:15:50.510
that their records are best when the country

01:15:50.510 --> 01:15:53.880
is in hell. Yeah. We'll see what happens. A lot

01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:57.560
of inspiration. When they get pissed off, it

01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:02.399
seems like they're sure as hell is. Yeah, so

01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:05.520
they should have plenty of material. Matt, it's

01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:07.039
been really great talking to you, man. Yeah,

01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:08.899
man, you too. I really appreciate you being here.

01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.619
Thanks for having me. Once again, man, that Possibilities

01:16:11.619 --> 01:16:17.039
record way out is so good. And I also can understand

01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:20.880
why when you put out something that good and

01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:24.720
it doesn't. blow up yeah it's heartening yeah

01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:29.460
i get that man we did a pretty ton like i said

01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:32.199
not a ton of touring but we we hit it hard and

01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:35.140
we had reviews and all kind of magazines and

01:16:35.140 --> 01:16:37.899
yeah we had some pretty pretty decent promotion

01:16:37.899 --> 01:16:40.920
that we go to play a show in saint paul minnesota

01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:43.939
and there was a article in the paper but there'd

01:16:43.939 --> 01:16:47.470
just be nobody there right I do think that record

01:16:47.470 --> 01:16:49.649
is getting a lot more appreciation as time goes

01:16:49.649 --> 01:16:51.930
on. I hope so, yeah. I think it's becoming kind

01:16:51.930 --> 01:16:55.250
of a cult classic. Yeah. I've always, what I've

01:16:55.250 --> 01:16:59.449
hoped is enough people would eventually discover

01:16:59.449 --> 01:17:03.109
it. And it's the thing I'm most proud of that

01:17:03.109 --> 01:17:05.930
I've ever done. And I just think it's a great

01:17:05.930 --> 01:17:08.430
album. I'll put a link to it in the description.

01:17:08.449 --> 01:17:12.069
Yeah, please do. And hopefully. At some point,

01:17:12.090 --> 01:17:14.970
we can have that out on vinyl. That's a dream,

01:17:15.109 --> 01:17:18.029
too. That would be killer. I would love for as

01:17:18.029 --> 01:17:20.869
many people as could find out about it that don't

01:17:20.869 --> 01:17:23.630
already know about it. I think it's great. I'm

01:17:23.630 --> 01:17:28.729
biased. It is. If the Lanes record is just what

01:17:28.729 --> 01:17:30.489
I heard the other night, then it's fucking awesome,

01:17:30.609 --> 01:17:32.250
too. Pretty proud of that one, too. Yeah, you

01:17:32.250 --> 01:17:34.489
should be, man. Thanks for being here, man. Yeah,

01:17:34.489 --> 01:17:37.689
man. Thank you. Thanks. Appreciate it. That was

01:17:37.689 --> 01:17:39.949
my interview with Matt Lane. I had a great time

01:17:39.949 --> 01:17:42.520
talking to him. If you haven't already, go check

01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:44.699
out my interview with Kevin Lane from the Lanes.

01:17:45.220 --> 01:17:47.699
That's a great interview as well. I've also had

01:17:47.699 --> 01:17:50.039
Jay Gonzalez on, so make sure you go back and

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