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I don't have it all figured out. I don't have

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it all together. I don't know what I thought

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I knew. So at some point, I'm speaking generally,

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but for me, I had to just surrender. I just got

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sick and tired of being sick and tired, man.

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Welcome to Overeducated and Underemployed. We

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got Marlon J. Williams, a .k .a. Drummer, on

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the move. First, I want to tell you about some

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other things going on here. We got a lot of great

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episodes coming up. We've got Amanda McKay. We've

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got Carson Taylor. We've got a whole episode

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about the Nucci Space, Heathen's Homecoming Auction.

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I'm sitting down later on today with Shonda Clinton,

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a .k .a. the Sativa Diva. We're going to talk

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all about P -Funk Fest. P -Funk Fest is happening

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April 11th at Phipps Park. There's a link to

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get tickets in the description of this episode.

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And I'll be with Danny Bedrosian next Friday,

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the 27th, at the Blue Tavern. He'll be doing

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a special show, kind of previewing some of the

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stuff going on at P -Funk Fest. I'll be doing

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a book signing. I'll be there taking... some

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footage for the show, but y 'all do not want

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to miss this. It's going to be a really, really

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cool experience. He's going to be playing a bunch

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of solo Parliament Funkadelic songs on the piano

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going all through his book, but on a musical

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level. So come check that out next Friday. Also,

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Sloan Brothers' Love Another Diagnosis came out

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last week. Sloan does all the music on this podcast,

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so please go get that record. It's awesome. It's

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also got Matt Lane on drums, who's going to be

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on the show pretty soon here. Jay Gonzalez plays

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on it. He's been on the show before, and he actually

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might pop into our new Cheese Space episode coming

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up here, too. Lots of exciting stuff going on.

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Please hit like. Please hit subscribe. Please

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do all the things. The other thing I want to

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mention is Wiley Gaby's single. is out idgaf

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no more i don't want youtube to ban things because

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if you have noticed the view count on that episode

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is a little bit low because youtube has not put

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it in anyone's recommended feed and has denied

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all advertising opportunities for me with that

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episode so please please please do what you can

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they're suppressing you know queer content it

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seems like so please share that episode like

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it watch it I don't know what else to say about

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that Shane Moss was on earlier this season and

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he's got two specials out actually as we speak

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so check his website he was a great guest his

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show was awesome it was filmed at Meow Wolf which

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I'm a big fan of We've talked about it here before.

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We talk about it on the podcast episode with

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him. Anyway, without further ado, here's my interview

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with Marlon Williams, Marlon J. Williams, drummer

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on the move. We had a great talk. Thanks, y 'all.

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We're on overeducated and underemployed. I'm

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here with Marlon Williams, a .k .a. drummer on

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the move. He's been on the podcast before. You

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might remember him from our Groups for Good episode.

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He won the drumming competition on that episode

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that we did. And I knew I had to talk to him

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again. So here he is. And I'm going to ask you

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the first question I ask everybody. What's the

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first song that you remember loving as a kid?

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Loving as a kid, it had to be something Michael

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Jackson. Yeah? Yeah, it had to be. Maybe Billie

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Jean or something like that. being a big MJ fan,

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still a big MJ fan. The records didn't do anything

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wrong. No, no, not at all. Not even a little

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bit. Separating the two, you know what I'm saying?

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Especially as a kid. No matter what your take

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on any of that is, you have to with art, I think.

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It's art. Dolly was an asshole. Van Gogh was

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psychotic. You know what I mean? But anyway.

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I believe to be on something, like to be that

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great at something, like there's usually something

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that kind of offset it or something. You know

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what I'm saying? Usually people that has. People

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are people. That level of genius is usually something.

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It comes with baggage. There you go. I think.

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It manifests in a lot of different ways. Right.

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But we digress because I want to talk about you.

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Do you remember the first time you listened to

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Michael's music? Do you remember what kind of

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drew you in, how you got into it in the first

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place? My first memory of MJ was I seen one of

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his concerts on TV. Me and my dad went over to

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a cousin of mine's house to get our haircuts.

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And I had to be maybe six or seven, somewhere

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up in there. After we got our haircuts, my dad

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was like, hey, y 'all listen to some Michael

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Jackson or something like that. So they put him

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up on TV and it was a concert that he did. And

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ever since then, I was just like, I don't even

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remember like saying too much as I was watching.

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I was just hooked. And ever since then, I was

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just MJ, MJ, MJ. Yeah. Started dancing like him.

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So you wanted to be him. You were. I was one

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of those kids, yeah. Yeah, okay. I wanted to

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be MJ. The performance that I seen him do on

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screen, it was just magnetic, man. I just never

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seen anything like that before in my life. So

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that's what got me going with MJ. What was the

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first concert that you went to as a kid? Do you

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remember? Ooh, that's tough. The first concert

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I went to as a kid. Or the first one you remember,

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at least. Wow. I would have to say Patti LaBelle.

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Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. I went to a Patti LaBelle

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concert because my dad used to sing backup for

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Patti. Oh, wow. Okay. So you come from a musical

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family. Absolutely. On both sides. On my mom's

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side, on my dad's side. Just very musically inclined.

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And you were into music like super young. Super

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young. Michael was like the first one that you

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loved, but were you already into music at that

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time? Yeah, by that time I was already into drums.

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I came up playing in church. My dad used to play

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drums at our home church. So I just took that

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from him. I used to sit beside him as he played

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in church. And I haven't put the sticks down

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ever since then. So I was already into music.

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So you were playing music before? You were playing

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music before you even had an affinity towards

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one musician, and it sounds like that's pretty

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cool. That's pretty cool. See, do you remember

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some early concerts that you went to? Maybe not

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the first, but do you remember some of the ones

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that stuck out? Other than, like, Patti LaBelle.

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I would say that one stuck out the most. Honestly,

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I didn't go to a lot of concerts coming up. But

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you were playing music every week in church.

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Yes, I was. I'll put it like this. I was wanting

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to play music because, again, I come from a musical

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family. So, like in church, there was like three

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of my cousins that played drums and stuff like

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that. You know what I'm saying? Family members

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that played drums. So, I was the young cat. So,

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I had to wait my turn to play for them to trust

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me enough to play in service and stuff like that.

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But I definitely came up doing that first. And

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even going back to MJ, MJ is the first artist

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I was just like, whoa, I think I want to do something

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with this for the rest of my life. Maybe not

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singing, but music in some capacity. Well, it

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sounds like it was not just the music for you

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and Michael, but the whole package, the performance,

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the persona, the style. It was the passion. Just

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the combination of everything you just said,

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including the passion. I just never seen anybody

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that passionate about performing. You know what

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I'm saying? That's what locked me in. Even to

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this day, I can still watch. I can watch the

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same video I seen back then and still be just

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as locked in as I was as a kid. Just that passion,

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you know what I'm saying? It just oozes out of

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everything he did. And I was just like, I want

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to feel like that about something. Yeah, I know

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what you mean. I think I found that just as a

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fan of music as a kid a lot, like not necessarily.

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I have this theory that all comedians like want

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to be rock stars and a lot of rock stars. Wish

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they were comedians. And I've met a few comedians

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that doesn't apply to, and I've met a few rock

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stars that doesn't apply to. But in general,

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I think it's pretty, it's like we're cut from

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the same cloth. Yeah. I've heard that before,

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actually. And I always, like, was connected to

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bands and musicians that connected to their audience

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in a passionate way. So. Not just the passion

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for the music, but I would go see bands in smaller

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clubs. They'd put the mic out for people to sing

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along or they'd be down in your face and doing

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kind of some of the cheesy rock shit of the 80s.

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But in a way that to a 12, 13, 14 year old kid,

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you're like, these people are deities. And that's

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what I'm getting at is I think we all. have these

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pop culture deities growing up, were they all

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music related to you? Pretty much. Yeah. Same.

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Pretty much, yeah. I think about, I used to get

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so annoyed with Entertainment Tonight and the

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tabloids, because they would talk about actors

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and celebrity. And I'm like, I don't care about

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these people. And I don't care about the way

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that they covered those people either. But I

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think those two things go hand in hand. I think

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when you start talking about real artists, people

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that aren't just famous for a living. Right.

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And not to say that celebrities don't have talent.

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I'm following. I'm talking about fame that transcends

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their talent. You know what I mean? Right. There's

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something there that is completely separating

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from the people, their fans. The passion, the

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passion isn't there. It's just this. I understand.

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Who's dating, who was seen wearing what, who's

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blah, blah, blah. There's no like meaning to

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any of what they're talking about. No substance.

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What was it to you when you were getting into

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music? What were some of the music that really

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spoke to you? What was the stuff that you were

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growing up listening to that really meant something

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to you? The music that. I connected to most coming

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up. I would have to say this is going to sound

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really wild, right? But as a kid, I used to listen

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to like a lot of Christmas music. Okay. Like

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just big choirs that sound real angelic. Everybody

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sounds so unified. I used to listen to that year

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round. That's something a lot of people don't

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know about me too. I think I'm revealing that

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for the first time. But I used to listen to like

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Old Holy Night, We Three Kings. So like the traditional

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stuff. The traditional stuff, but just like with

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a hundred voices and like orchestra. I love music.

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Big choral arrangements. Exactly. That music

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used to like just take me away from earth. Like

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I still listen to it to this day. I still listen

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to it to this day. Like it didn't have to be

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Christmas or anything like that. But anything

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that was just that sounds like what I guess what

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we would perceive heaven to sound like, that's

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always resonated with me. Even to this day, I

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listen to it when I go to the gym, listen to

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it while I'm getting ready. Just anything like

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ethereal. That's the word I'm looking for. Anything

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ethereal. Okay. I'm all about that. Interesting.

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That's not the kind of music you play. That's

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what I'm saying. Not at all. Your input is way

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different than the output there. That's what

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I'm saying. I know that's going to throw a lot

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of people off based off of what they see me perform

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and do and everything. But yeah, anything ethereal

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that just mellows you out, chills you out, puts

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you in a clear head space, heart space, spiritual

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space. I've always been about that, even as a

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kid. I think that a lot of people feel that way

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about their favorite music. So whether it's choral

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music or heavy metal, you talk to a metalhead,

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and I'm not one, but if you talk to a metalhead,

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metal music doesn't make them angry. It sounds

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like very angry music, but it's like... soothing

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and calming and almost like meditative to them

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yeah and i could see how that i could see how

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that could be the case too sure sure sure what

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were at what point did you decide you you wanted

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to just be a musician did that come later or

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was that something you were gonna pursue from

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a young age i would have to say okay so i grew

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up i was either going to go to the nba Because

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I played basketball, too, like from middle, I

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mean, from elementary to high school, varsity

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and everything like that, summer leagues, tournaments.

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So I was either going to go to the league or

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I was just going to do music full time. Again,

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my dad sung professionally with Pat LaBelle.

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So I had that right in the house with me, seeing

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somebody going out doing tours. Where did you

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grow up? I was born and raised in Tallahassee,

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Florida. Okay. From a small town called Miccosicky.

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I'm a country boy. Yeah, yeah. And Patty is from,

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what, Bainbridge? Is that right? I don't, I'm

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not sure where she's from. I feel like she's

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from, like, southern Georgia somewhere. Somewhere

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close. Okay, yeah, I'm not sure. Not Tallahassee,

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but somewhere close. Okay. I could be wrong.

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Yeah. But how did, do you know how he got connected

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with her in the first place? Yeah, she came to

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Tallahassee for a concert. She performed at the

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Civic Center. My parents went, and she had a

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segment on the show where she just called random

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people up from the audience to sing along with

00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.000
her. Oh, okay. And my dad was one of the ones

00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.259
that she called up there, and he did his thing.

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Everyone went crazy. I believe one of her managers

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or something like that reached out to my pops.

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He got the call to go out on the road. He was

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out on the road with her. for about seven years,

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seven, eight years. And like, even to this day,

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he still goes out and does like spot dates and

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stuff with her. So he's always going to be associated

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with Patty. And she's a legend. Was she the legend

00:16:32.950 --> 00:16:37.090
she was back then? Yeah. Okay. No, no. How long

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ago this was? Yeah, this, oh man, 90, I want

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to say 95, 96, somewhere up in there. She was

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still. Yeah, she was still up there. I feel like

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by the time I heard about her, it was probably

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like 10 or 15 years later. Okay, yeah. I was

00:16:57.940 --> 00:17:00.379
also like 10 years old. Gotcha. You know what

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I mean? I'm trying to think. I feel like she's

00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:05.099
already playing in the Civic Center at that point,

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but I feel like her name, Trent, now, like back

00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:09.619
then she was probably one of the biggest gospel

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singers in the world. Now her name transcends

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all genre. I feel like everybody knows who she

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is. Everybody knows. She's definitely a legend

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in the game. Just growing up and just seeing

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that, just seeing that. He would have me and

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my sister and my mom come to a lot of the shows

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and stuff like that, have us backstage. And I

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got a chance to meet her and stuff like that.

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So I've always been affiliated with music. I

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always knew that's something I wanted to do.

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Was gospel music something you really connected

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with as a kid? I know traditional Christmas music

00:17:43.579 --> 00:17:47.660
is, but was the more modern gospel music something

00:17:47.660 --> 00:17:50.079
you were into? Yeah, I was definitely into it.

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Coming up, it was pretty much all I knew, other

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than Michael, I guess. You know what I'm saying?

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Everybody knew Michael. You know what I'm saying?

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It was hard to get around that. But yeah, I definitely

00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.759
loved a lot of gospel music, grew up playing

00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.859
a lot of gospel music. So I'm always going to

00:18:08.859 --> 00:18:11.960
be connected to that, always. Definitely, it's

00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:13.920
a lot of gospel artists that I love to listen

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to from time to time. But just even coming up,

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it was other things that caught my ear that I

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would say resonated with me personally the most.

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So that's just what I gravitated to. Did your

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dad have a solo career as well? Yeah, he did.

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What's his name? Anthony Williams. Okay. Anthony

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Williams, yes. He has several solo projects that

00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:43.329
he did on R &B. He has R &B albums. He has a

00:18:43.329 --> 00:18:47.369
gospel album. So, again, I always knew I wanted

00:18:47.369 --> 00:18:50.990
to do music. It's running in my veins. It was

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either that or going to the NBA. NBA didn't work

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out. I remember carrying his records at Vinyl

00:18:56.589 --> 00:19:00.069
Fever back in the day. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Yeah.

00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:04.720
Yeah, man. Man, you're taking me back because,

00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:09.700
yeah, he definitely used to really do it. He's

00:19:09.700 --> 00:19:13.400
mellowed out a little bit now. We all do when

00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:17.099
we get older. He's done it. He's been all over

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the world, and he's done it. You were a really

00:19:21.059 --> 00:19:23.119
successful basketball player, it sounds like,

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in high school. Did you try to get into college?

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Did you get injured? Did something happen? Nah.

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To be completely transparent, I was really good.

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I was really good. I just honestly just lost

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a passion for it. That's something people don't

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talk about very often. For anything, whether

00:19:45.269 --> 00:19:49.710
it's you want to be a great musician or a great

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actor or a great athlete, any of these things,

00:19:53.529 --> 00:19:57.690
you can have all the talent in the world. But

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if you don't have the drive to practice and stick

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with it and keep wanting to do it, and if that's

00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:07.049
just not what you want to do with yourself, then

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none of that matters. Exactly. And what it brought

00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:15.250
down to me, I didn't want to be owned in any

00:20:15.250 --> 00:20:20.130
sense of the word. And as I was climbing, playing

00:20:20.130 --> 00:20:22.269
basketball and stuff, got to varsity and everything

00:20:22.269 --> 00:20:25.460
like that, I seen where that was headed. Yeah.

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And I'm more of a free -spirited person. I like

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to pretty much just move how I want, be how I

00:20:33.140 --> 00:20:37.000
want, and I just didn't want to be owned. You

00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.319
don't meet solo drummers very often, man. That's

00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.119
one of the things at first. Not that you don't.

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You work with other people all the time. Absolutely.

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But at your core, you don't belong to any group,

00:20:47.900 --> 00:20:52.720
or you're you. You're drummer on the move. I

00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:55.750
see where that comes from. And especially back

00:20:55.750 --> 00:21:01.710
then, college athletes had no way of making money.

00:21:03.289 --> 00:21:08.269
So anyway, that all makes total sense. Yeah,

00:21:08.269 --> 00:21:14.210
yeah. So thinking about it now, I know I said

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I lost my passion. I've always loved ball, but

00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:23.329
just the politics of it. I seen where it was

00:21:23.329 --> 00:21:25.970
going. I was just like, I don't know if I'm going

00:21:25.970 --> 00:21:28.569
to be able to withstand all of that. Well, and

00:21:28.569 --> 00:21:32.789
now, man, now that I've seen how much gambling

00:21:32.789 --> 00:21:37.190
has taken over all of, not just, not really just

00:21:37.190 --> 00:21:41.049
sports, but everything. You can go, you can bet

00:21:41.049 --> 00:21:43.950
on who's going to win political elections and

00:21:43.950 --> 00:21:47.849
all this crazy stuff. But the more I've seen

00:21:47.849 --> 00:21:51.660
how that takes over. I just don't know that there's

00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:56.140
a lot of players that play for themselves anymore.

00:21:56.619 --> 00:21:58.880
Exactly. And that's the only way I can really

00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.500
put it. It's a much bigger agenda. Like, it's

00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:04.119
a business. There's a lot of money involved that

00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:06.819
is way more than any of these players ever make.

00:22:07.700 --> 00:22:10.839
Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, it's

00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.720
so much bigger than just the love of the game.

00:22:13.900 --> 00:22:17.000
Yeah. Even when it comes down to music, it's

00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:21.529
the same way. talent anymore you have to have

00:22:21.529 --> 00:22:23.930
something that comes along with it it's all of

00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:26.410
this politics and stuff like that so like social

00:22:26.410 --> 00:22:29.950
media having a presence yeah i mean it's it's

00:22:29.950 --> 00:22:35.289
a pain it's a nightmare which is why i like it

00:22:35.289 --> 00:22:37.710
proves that you really have to want to do it

00:22:37.710 --> 00:22:40.470
right to do it right because that shit is not

00:22:40.470 --> 00:22:44.130
fun it playing music that's the easiest and most

00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:46.710
fun part but it's everything that comes with

00:22:46.710 --> 00:22:50.069
it behind the scenes you really got to watch

00:22:50.069 --> 00:22:53.490
out for and have a foundation of why you're doing

00:22:53.490 --> 00:22:55.829
it. You know what I'm saying? Or are you going

00:22:55.829 --> 00:22:58.609
to be pulled this way and that way and want to

00:22:58.609 --> 00:23:01.509
change you, make you into something that you're

00:23:01.509 --> 00:23:04.609
really not aspiring to be? And stuff like with

00:23:04.609 --> 00:23:07.329
labels, when it comes to hooking up with labels

00:23:07.329 --> 00:23:09.950
and stuff like that. I just had a conversation

00:23:09.950 --> 00:23:13.269
with Justin Long, who was in a band called No

00:23:13.269 --> 00:23:15.890
Address out of Tallahassee. They got signed to...

00:23:16.329 --> 00:23:18.589
Warner, Elektra, Atlantic. I think it was Atlantic

00:23:18.589 --> 00:23:20.750
when they got signed, and then they merged before

00:23:20.750 --> 00:23:23.990
the record came out. But that was the core focus,

00:23:24.089 --> 00:23:27.650
is how, in a lot of ways, these labels ruined

00:23:27.650 --> 00:23:29.970
the music scene in Tallahassee for a long time.

00:23:30.029 --> 00:23:33.069
Because they plucked all the talent out, all

00:23:33.069 --> 00:23:36.890
the people that were going, drawing crowds, plucked

00:23:36.890 --> 00:23:40.589
them all out of the town, and then changed who

00:23:40.589 --> 00:23:43.490
they were, didn't let them be who they were anymore.

00:23:44.380 --> 00:23:47.160
And then they failed on the road. And a lot of

00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.940
them, they suffered. Their mental health suffered

00:23:49.940 --> 00:23:53.880
and all that kind of thing, too. Bingo. Yeah.

00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:59.539
Once you have the man involved in any capacity,

00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:02.759
and I'm talking like the Jack Black School of

00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.680
Rock version, like the very basic version of

00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:07.900
the man. Yeah. Once you have the man involved,

00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:15.589
it all gets fucked. Yeah. Again, you end up becoming

00:24:15.589 --> 00:24:18.329
something that you didn't want to become and

00:24:18.329 --> 00:24:21.569
be and just even admit to the world. Because

00:24:21.569 --> 00:24:24.509
there's an agenda. You know what I'm saying?

00:24:24.589 --> 00:24:28.289
They want you to basically be puppets to the

00:24:28.289 --> 00:24:31.769
agenda that they want to push. And even though

00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:35.230
what I do is music, drum on the move, I'm still

00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:37.470
aware of that. You know what I'm saying? I'm

00:24:37.470 --> 00:24:40.789
still aware. So I'm not, even though I... Putting

00:24:40.789 --> 00:24:44.049
the basketball thing down, I'm still not totally

00:24:44.049 --> 00:24:45.849
out of the woods on this side either. Well, sure.

00:24:46.369 --> 00:24:49.009
But basketball is a team sport. Right. And you

00:24:49.009 --> 00:24:51.890
have to play for, to make any money doing it,

00:24:51.930 --> 00:24:55.069
you have to play for a corporate entity. You

00:24:55.069 --> 00:24:58.589
have to. There's all these things. I think there

00:24:58.589 --> 00:25:01.609
are similarities, but the differences are, like,

00:25:01.630 --> 00:25:04.849
I understand why you were like, yeah, this I

00:25:04.849 --> 00:25:09.140
can tolerate and this I can't. Even just down

00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:12.740
to freedom of speech. It's only so much that

00:25:12.740 --> 00:25:14.819
they're going to allow you to say, you know.

00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:17.700
Well, look at Colin Kaepernick, right? Case in

00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:23.279
point. Yep. Yeah. Dude, like, one of the most

00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.539
qualified couldn't get a job because the motherfucker

00:25:26.539 --> 00:25:29.400
took a knee. What the fuck? Yeah, just standing

00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.920
up for what he personally believed in. No, this

00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.579
is what I'm saying, man. I think you read the

00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:37.230
writing on the wall. I think you may, because

00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:41.269
even as a drummer, even if you decide to sign

00:25:41.269 --> 00:25:44.670
with a label, you try to go that route. Let's

00:25:44.670 --> 00:25:48.569
say someone in their 20s, not even you, but a

00:25:48.569 --> 00:25:51.670
musician in their 20s wants to, and I've talked

00:25:51.670 --> 00:25:53.450
to plenty of people that this has happened to,

00:25:53.589 --> 00:25:56.809
where they've gone the major label route. They've

00:25:56.809 --> 00:26:00.490
tried that. Sometimes it boosted them into something

00:26:00.490 --> 00:26:04.140
better. Sometimes it didn't. But in the times

00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.460
that it didn't, it wasn't over for them necessarily.

00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.359
Right. You're a drummer. You don't need four

00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.799
other guys and a corporate sponsorship to be

00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:17.339
a drummer or a musician of any kind. No. So I

00:26:17.339 --> 00:26:20.099
think you read the writing on the wall, man.

00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:24.319
Honestly, I appreciate that. And that's something

00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.400
I'm very conscious of. I don't want to be told

00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.420
what I can and can't say. Or B, or anything like

00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:38.460
that. To me, that's more important than any of

00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:40.839
this. Just knowing who you are and being solid

00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.779
in who you are just as a human being. I think

00:26:43.779 --> 00:26:45.880
that's the difference between an artist and an

00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:51.180
athlete. Really. Right. Because, one, you're

00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.339
advocating for your body more than your mind.

00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:56.299
There you go. And the other one, you're advocating

00:26:56.299 --> 00:26:58.279
for your mind more than your body. That is so

00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.200
true. I never really thought about it quite like

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.839
that. I don't know that I have either. But that's

00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:10.859
spot on. I don't want to just entertain. You

00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:12.759
know what I'm saying? We have so much of that.

00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:16.259
That's another conversation. I don't want to

00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.359
just be here for your entertainment. I want to

00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.599
be able to instill something else in you the

00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:27.519
way that I feel, the way that I want to emit

00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:31.420
that. You can't really do that in a lot of these

00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:35.420
fields. You might be telling too much truth.

00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:37.900
We don't want them to know that. Those situations.

00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.140
I don't want to be like that. And it's still

00:27:42.140 --> 00:27:46.819
kind of like that. But it's over. The algorithm

00:27:46.819 --> 00:27:49.680
suppresses certain things and all that sort of

00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.799
thing. But you can still overcome that. Because

00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.880
people are people. And I think being out, playing

00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.670
out. as much as possible like that's how you

00:28:00.670 --> 00:28:02.789
like connecting with people like for real and

00:28:02.789 --> 00:28:08.190
not online that is one of the which is why I've

00:28:08.190 --> 00:28:10.549
done some of my interviews remotely if the people

00:28:10.549 --> 00:28:14.190
are in California or Hawaii whatever but right

00:28:14.190 --> 00:28:17.069
I really prefer to sit down and have a face -to

00:28:17.069 --> 00:28:19.450
-face to do right nothing beats this right here

00:28:19.450 --> 00:28:22.970
that's true you made the decision not to pursue

00:28:22.970 --> 00:28:26.259
basketball and pursue music It sounds like around

00:28:26.259 --> 00:28:28.380
the time you graduated high school, maybe a little

00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:32.119
after. Yeah, yep. Did you start playing in bands

00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.880
initially? Yeah, yeah. So I was pretty much just

00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.720
freelance, just being called for hire, whoever

00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.279
needed a drummer, which I still do that to this

00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.900
day. But out of high school, I participated in

00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:50.700
the Guitar Center Drum Off. Okay. And I won it

00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:54.779
for Tallahassee. At the time, which I didn't

00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:58.160
know, there was a guy there from a rock band.

00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.200
They needed a drummer. And so he approached me

00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.880
after I won the competition, asked me if I was

00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.400
interested in trying out for the rock band. I

00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.740
told him, yeah. I went and auditioned, made the

00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:13.400
band. I was part of a band called Edensville.

00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:17.019
Oh, yeah. I remember Edensville. Hell yeah, man.

00:29:17.140 --> 00:29:19.799
Yeah, Edensville. That was my first, that was

00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.680
the first band that I could say that I was like,

00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.579
actually. Who else was in that band? Do you remember?

00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.960
Barry, Barry, Smeek, Hunter, my guy Hunter Dolls,

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.000
Caleb. Those are my guys. So I got in there.

00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.019
I was with them for five years. Probably some

00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.819
of the best times I've had. I remember that band,

00:29:39.859 --> 00:29:43.380
man. Those were my high school, college years,

00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:47.380
I think. Really? Yeah. That was like... I'm thinking

00:29:47.380 --> 00:29:50.319
like 99 to like 2004. Somewhere up in there.

00:29:50.500 --> 00:29:52.420
Yeah, somewhere up in there. Yeah, we used to

00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:56.200
play at Bullwinkle's a lot. Yeah, yeah. Bullwinkle's,

00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.140
we used to play at Floyd's. I think you used

00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.640
to play with my friend's band. There was the

00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.500
audience and there was Hybrid. It was like basically

00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:07.359
the same band. Hybrid sounds very familiar. Hybrid

00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.740
was like, they were both the same band with a

00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:12.440
different singer pretty much. Okay, okay. I feel

00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:14.380
like I've heard of Hybrid. It was so funny because...

00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.140
hybrid was like a rock rap band they had a rap

00:30:18.140 --> 00:30:22.579
singer okay and the audience was like they found

00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:24.579
her at karaoke they found the singer at karaoke

00:30:24.579 --> 00:30:27.440
wow so it was like the same band but like totally

00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.400
different gotcha gotcha i think i've heard a

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.380
hybrid before though yeah they were they got

00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:36.000
out a lot my friend kelly was the drummer shout

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.960
out to kelly she was the drummer that and that

00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:45.009
was what people were So it makes sense to me

00:30:45.009 --> 00:30:46.589
that you would remember them because their drummer

00:30:46.589 --> 00:30:49.230
was like the centerpiece of the band. Gotcha.

00:30:49.329 --> 00:30:53.289
It definitely rings a bell for sure. So you played

00:30:53.289 --> 00:30:56.809
in Edensville for five years. And then I remember

00:30:56.809 --> 00:30:59.650
that band broke up probably around 05. Somewhere.

00:30:59.950 --> 00:31:03.029
Around the time that we're talking about, the

00:31:03.029 --> 00:31:06.549
scene fell apart because five bands, they weren't

00:31:06.549 --> 00:31:09.210
one of them, I don't think, but five bands got

00:31:09.210 --> 00:31:12.880
signed to major labels. 2003, 2004. Really? I

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.420
didn't know that. Presence, Social Burn, No Address,

00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.720
Eric Durrance, and did I already say Standstill?

00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.019
And Standstill. I think all five of those bands

00:31:24.019 --> 00:31:28.279
got signed to major labels out of Tallahassee.

00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.500
And it created, but like each one of those bands

00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:34.440
had five or six other bands that would open for

00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.200
them on a regular basis. And Edensville would

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.039
be one. You know what I'm saying? Like those

00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.539
bands were like leading. a scene where people

00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:44.759
were actually coming out to see original live

00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.279
music. Yes. Not just cover bands. Not just cover.

00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.099
Because that's what everything has turned into

00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:55.019
now. Facts. And that was, being in that band

00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:59.799
really opened me up to just, pretty much just

00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:01.839
everything outside of gospel music, which I grew

00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.859
up playing in. Yeah. It was just a whole new

00:32:04.859 --> 00:32:07.720
world. I probably had some of the most fun I've

00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.759
ever had on stage playing in a rock band. It

00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.700
was just different. Oh, my goodness. Especially

00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:18.559
back then. Things were like pre -iPhone. Things

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.519
were a little crazier at the rock show. When

00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.960
people came to the shows, they came to rock out.

00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:30.349
Very seldomly seen people with the phones up

00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:32.890
recording. It was coming to head. They were present.

00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:36.109
Very present. That's the word, yes. And I think

00:32:36.109 --> 00:32:40.529
that's what people who love going to see just

00:32:40.529 --> 00:32:43.289
live music in general, not even necessarily knowing

00:32:43.289 --> 00:32:45.930
who they're going to see, that's why they go.

00:32:46.509 --> 00:32:48.930
And then the people that are there filming it,

00:32:49.029 --> 00:32:53.650
they go so they can have the Instagram moment

00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:57.559
or whatever it is. Right. I'll take two or three

00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.579
pictures in the beginning. Because guess what?

00:32:59.779 --> 00:33:02.160
The band's going to wear the same outfit the

00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.799
whole night. That's true. Yep. That's true. Definitely

00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.059
not changing. That's true. And I'm never going

00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:13.059
to watch the videos. Right. If I'm going to watch

00:33:13.059 --> 00:33:15.160
a video of that show, I'm going to rely on somebody

00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.960
taking a way better video than me. Yeah, and

00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.819
then you were there, too. So I'll take a couple

00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:22.660
of pictures to remember that I was there and

00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:24.809
what it looked like. Had that time stamp. From

00:33:24.809 --> 00:33:27.890
my perspective or whatever. But I don't need

00:33:27.890 --> 00:33:30.369
to take pictures all night. I understand taking

00:33:30.369 --> 00:33:32.829
a couple. I don't understand. I'm not like a

00:33:32.829 --> 00:33:36.390
never take any pictures or videos. But sitting

00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:38.890
there filming. Like the whole time. It doesn't

00:33:38.890 --> 00:33:41.309
make sense to me at all. Yeah, I'm not that guy

00:33:41.309 --> 00:33:44.009
either. I'm going to go. I want to enjoy what's

00:33:44.009 --> 00:33:45.829
going on. I want to be present, just like you

00:33:45.829 --> 00:33:49.750
said. So after Eatonsville breaks up. And you

00:33:49.750 --> 00:33:51.970
don't have to get into how. I don't even know

00:33:51.970 --> 00:33:53.890
if you remember how that band broke up at this

00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:57.990
point. But where did you go from there? And were

00:33:57.990 --> 00:34:01.529
you able to be a full -time musician at this

00:34:01.529 --> 00:34:07.950
point? At that time, no. I worked a job. I think

00:34:07.950 --> 00:34:10.630
I was working at Firehouse Subs and stuff like

00:34:10.630 --> 00:34:13.949
that. Because we were gigging, but I wasn't making

00:34:13.949 --> 00:34:18.320
enough money to. Right. sustain myself yeah yeah

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.699
it was just good money to have like spending

00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:23.539
money and stuff like that but yeah because even

00:34:23.539 --> 00:34:25.960
when people were coming out it's not like bands

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.800
were making money hand over fist or anything

00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.420
that wasn't that wasn't the case i would say

00:34:31.420 --> 00:34:34.780
we did well for tallahassee yeah you know what

00:34:34.780 --> 00:34:38.400
i'm saying so we did well for that we like i

00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.449
said Floyd's sometimes too. I worked at Floyd's

00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:46.050
as a teenager. Wow. All of these memories just

00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:48.429
coming back, man. All of these memories coming

00:34:48.429 --> 00:34:51.449
back to me. They would send me to the late night

00:34:51.449 --> 00:34:54.369
library parking lot to flyer it. Okay. Because

00:34:54.369 --> 00:34:57.829
I was a minor, so if the cops came, I wasn't

00:34:57.829 --> 00:35:00.190
going to get in any real trouble. Right. So they

00:35:00.190 --> 00:35:02.650
would send me on like the covert ops. They played

00:35:02.650 --> 00:35:05.550
that smart. They played that smart. I played

00:35:05.550 --> 00:35:08.969
that smart. Yeah. Yeah. Floyd's was a good time

00:35:08.969 --> 00:35:13.070
too. I used to love their stage. Yeah, man. Yeah.

00:35:13.349 --> 00:35:17.449
That was, that's what this town is missing is,

00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:20.889
like, real music venues where they have a dedicated

00:35:20.889 --> 00:35:24.210
sound and lights guy. There you go. There you

00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:26.789
go. Shout out to Eddie, who just recently passed

00:35:26.789 --> 00:35:29.130
away. He was the sound guy at Floyd's for years

00:35:29.130 --> 00:35:33.010
and years. And then, but Club LA down in Destin,

00:35:33.070 --> 00:35:35.510
man, they've basically, like, the whole crew

00:35:35.510 --> 00:35:38.250
from Floyd's has been running that club. Really?

00:35:38.309 --> 00:35:41.139
The Booker. Eddie, the sound guy who just passed

00:35:41.139 --> 00:35:45.679
away, and Brad, the light guy, he's been there.

00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:47.519
He taught me how to run lights when I was like

00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.519
15 years old. Wow. And he's down there running.

00:35:50.659 --> 00:35:53.679
So shout out to Club LA. Yeah, shout out. Keeping

00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.199
something going down there. Yeah. But yeah, that

00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.980
whole Floyd's crew, man, they were really professional.

00:35:59.980 --> 00:36:03.159
They had a great stage set up. So true. That's

00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.239
what brought me onto that kind of tangent. There

00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:09.099
was a reason that stage was so good. They had

00:36:09.099 --> 00:36:12.280
a really professional crew. Yeah. That stuck

00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.960
out. I used to love when we played at Floyd's.

00:36:14.980 --> 00:36:17.699
Because, again, everything was just so professional.

00:36:18.380 --> 00:36:22.579
Sound check went smooth. The lights, just everything.

00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:26.800
It was very, very professional. Very easy to

00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:28.079
work with, too. They would have some crazy artists

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.250
come in there sometimes, too. Yes. Fishbone would

00:36:32.250 --> 00:36:33.989
always play there back in the day a lot. And

00:36:33.989 --> 00:36:36.170
that was the size club they were playing. But

00:36:36.170 --> 00:36:38.989
they would play there every tour. And that was

00:36:38.989 --> 00:36:43.030
always great. But didn't crazy artists like Filter

00:36:43.030 --> 00:36:45.449
played there one time when they were on a stadium

00:36:45.449 --> 00:36:49.130
tour? And they just did a one -off night at Floyd's?

00:36:49.150 --> 00:36:51.530
Okay. And they pulled out from the party lot

00:36:51.530 --> 00:36:55.170
with two semi -trucks? Yeah. It was insane. Yeah.

00:36:55.309 --> 00:36:57.949
Floyd's was definitely the venue for all of that.

00:36:57.949 --> 00:37:00.230
So they could handle all of that kind of stuff.

00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:05.199
For sure. For sure. So what did you do after

00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.699
Edensville? After Edensville, I just went back

00:37:09.699 --> 00:37:12.639
to just doing fillers for bands and artists and

00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.579
everything like that. Just make my rounds. And

00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:18.659
then that's when I got into drum on the move,

00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:23.300
which I didn't set out to do. It just fell upon

00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:26.360
me, to be honest. I just started doing my own

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:30.139
thing, which started out with me. I was looking

00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:34.000
for, which is a day I'll never forget. I'll never

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.980
forget it. It was a Saturday. It was a beautiful

00:37:36.980 --> 00:37:40.760
day out. Looking for somewhere to practice. Called

00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.360
a couple of guys around to see if I could come

00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.380
in and just practice this shit on some drums.

00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:47.800
I just really felt like playing that day. No

00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.539
one was available. So I set my drums up at a

00:37:52.539 --> 00:37:56.139
park on Jackson Bluff, actually. Got the name

00:37:56.139 --> 00:38:00.300
of the park. I know a park. I used to live right

00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:04.179
there. Dale Mabry Park? Say it again? Dale Mabry

00:38:04.179 --> 00:38:07.780
Park? Is that the name of it? It could be. It's

00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:10.179
now right next to Sale High School. Sale High

00:38:10.179 --> 00:38:13.099
School, Sale High School. It used to be, what

00:38:13.099 --> 00:38:15.780
was that? It was an elementary school for a long

00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:18.980
time. Okay. And then they turned it into Sale.

00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.420
Sale, okay. Jackson Bluff and, like, Lapona,

00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:26.099
right? Lapona, yeah. It had a baseball park out

00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:29.980
there. Yeah, okay. So I set up my drums out there

00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:35.059
on a park bench, and I was out there for hours,

00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.139
at least maybe five or six hours just practicing.

00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.800
And ironically, nobody else was out there that

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.880
whole time, so I wasn't aggravating anybody or

00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.780
anything like that. From that day on, I was just

00:38:47.780 --> 00:38:50.639
like, hey, yo, this felt really good to even

00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.440
just play outdoors. Seeing people, like, honking

00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.579
as I was playing, like, cars that was going by.

00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.320
And just saying, woo! And I was like, hey, man,

00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.079
this actually feels pretty good just to play

00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.719
outside, outdoors. Man, that's the park I used

00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.420
to take my daughter to. Really? Yeah, when she

00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:12.940
was, like, really little. That's a special place,

00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:16.739
man. Yeah. Very special place. And it's hardly

00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:20.409
ever, I don't know about now, but it. Wasn't

00:39:20.409 --> 00:39:22.610
a whole lot of people that just go over there

00:39:22.610 --> 00:39:23.869
and just hang out there. No, it was never very

00:39:23.869 --> 00:39:26.690
crowded. Yeah, not at all. That's part of why

00:39:26.690 --> 00:39:30.170
we liked it. Bingo. Yeah, because I used to stay

00:39:30.170 --> 00:39:33.369
on that end. So I just pulled up over there.

00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:36.969
And from there, I just became Drum On The Move.

00:39:37.769 --> 00:39:40.789
And it started just by playing outdoors in different

00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:44.409
places? Because now you do show shows. Which

00:39:44.409 --> 00:39:47.769
took me years to even play inside of a building.

00:39:48.500 --> 00:39:52.800
I really started out just playing outdoors. So

00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.780
I played outside in the park. And I was just

00:39:56.780 --> 00:39:58.480
like, man, this feels really good. So I just

00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.920
started setting my drums up just different places

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.840
around town. Just pretty much everywhere, on

00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.219
the streets and everything. And I started making

00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:10.599
content with it. Just started recording myself.

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.940
Initially, I was just recording myself. to track

00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:18.860
my progress of me practicing but then I don't

00:40:18.860 --> 00:40:21.800
know I don't even know what to say like I just

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.340
started posting it because everybody already

00:40:24.340 --> 00:40:27.079
knew I played so I just started posting it and

00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.179
I started seeing the reactions and the love that

00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:31.860
I was starting to get so I was just like maybe

00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:36.599
I can turn this into something yeah and I went

00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.940
home one day and I was like man what should I

00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.699
call myself and I was like, man, I'm playing

00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:44.199
outside, and all of these ideas just started

00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.800
coming to me. And I was like, drummer playing

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.440
outside? I was just like, nah, that's not it.

00:40:49.219 --> 00:40:53.699
And then drummer on the move just fell in my

00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:57.320
lap, and it just felt right. Yeah. And I was

00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:58.800
like, ah, this is it. Do you remember what year

00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:03.340
this was? God, I'm so bad with time. I guess

00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:05.960
I'm just trying to think of what kind of social

00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.519
media was going on back then. This had to be,

00:41:09.619 --> 00:41:13.380
let me see, this was at least about 12 years

00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:18.519
ago. It was, yeah, it was about 12 years ago.

00:41:18.739 --> 00:41:21.960
Probably Facebook and MySpace maybe? Facebook.

00:41:22.219 --> 00:41:25.199
Definitely started with Facebook. Okay. Definitely

00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.179
started with Facebook, and I made my way to Instagram.

00:41:28.699 --> 00:41:33.440
Instagram is what really got me out there. I

00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:38.239
got you. Yeah. And I just started. Set my drums

00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.760
up weird in a non -traditional way for a different

00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.480
aesthetic. Just trying to challenge myself on

00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.840
how to approach it and stuff like that. One thing

00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.460
that really struck me watching you play is you're

00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:56.260
not just playing a beat. You really are playing

00:41:56.260 --> 00:41:59.519
a song with your kit. And I think we talked about

00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.280
this last time you were on the pod. How did that

00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.179
develop for you? Going from playing in a rock

00:42:05.179 --> 00:42:09.429
band. to being a solo drummer? It's definitely

00:42:09.429 --> 00:42:11.570
different because rock band, everything is just

00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:15.389
a thousand miles per hour musically. Everything

00:42:15.389 --> 00:42:18.289
is aggressive, which I love, by the way. You

00:42:18.289 --> 00:42:19.769
know what I'm saying? I'm not complaining. I

00:42:19.769 --> 00:42:22.469
loved everything about it. But playing solo,

00:42:22.929 --> 00:42:27.489
you pretty much, you are the show, per se. So

00:42:27.489 --> 00:42:29.570
you don't really have anybody else to lean on.

00:42:29.889 --> 00:42:31.710
You know what I'm saying? You have to generate

00:42:31.710 --> 00:42:35.559
your own energy to... perform and everything

00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:40.280
like that. But me, I never tried to put pressure

00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.480
on myself. I just wanted everything to just be

00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.820
natural. So I can't really say I really played

00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:50.320
to impress people. You know what I'm saying?

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:55.000
I just go out and just play from my heart. When

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.860
in a rock band situation, you playing the music,

00:42:57.940 --> 00:42:59.900
you playing the song, still playing from my heart,

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:01.920
but it's more structured. That's the way I look

00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.710
at it. But just being freelance. You're playing

00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:08.489
a song that other people are playing too. I'm

00:43:08.489 --> 00:43:10.789
going to change it. You're not playing jazz.

00:43:11.090 --> 00:43:13.889
But that still sticks with, that still, even

00:43:13.889 --> 00:43:16.849
when I'm playing a drum solo, I have a cousin

00:43:16.849 --> 00:43:19.809
named Andre Forrest who's a genius musician,

00:43:20.010 --> 00:43:23.230
plays keys. So big shout out to my cousin Andre.

00:43:23.989 --> 00:43:26.429
The thing that he taught me growing up, he just

00:43:26.429 --> 00:43:29.050
always play the music, always play the song.

00:43:29.409 --> 00:43:33.239
If you can. especially on drums, if you can just

00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.400
play by yourself and whoever listening can tell

00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.280
where you are in the song, you're doing your

00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.960
job. Yeah. So that's never left me. That's never

00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.980
left me. And also, in Tallahassee, just having

00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:50.460
your own kit and showing up, that usually gets

00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:53.780
you the job. Yeah, yeah. Having your own stuff,

00:43:53.940 --> 00:43:57.539
you know. Yeah, that never hurts anybody. Yep.

00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:01.360
My buddy Kane Stanley. He's a drummer for a band

00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.239
called Cosmic Charlie, which they have two drummers

00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.739
because they're a Grateful Dead tribute. Gotcha.

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.599
But he started doing this thing, and we haven't

00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.280
talked about it on the pod yet, but we're going

00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:18.000
to. He started renting out his kit to venues,

00:44:18.219 --> 00:44:22.300
backlining drums for touring musicians. Is that

00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:24.980
ever something you've ever done before? Yeah,

00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.699
I loaned out my kit for other drummers that need

00:44:27.699 --> 00:44:30.809
it. I've definitely provided my kid for a few

00:44:30.809 --> 00:44:33.409
shows around town. It's not something I do a

00:44:33.409 --> 00:44:37.710
lot, I would say. Not saying I wouldn't. He would

00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:39.550
do it. Because with touring musicians, they would

00:44:39.550 --> 00:44:43.010
pay. They would pay for it. If it was something

00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:46.550
he didn't have, he would just go buy it. That's

00:44:46.550 --> 00:44:48.789
probably something I need to get into for real.

00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:52.389
That's just, I would say, passive income. That'd

00:44:52.389 --> 00:44:56.769
be nice to really get into that. Like, my drummer

00:44:56.769 --> 00:44:59.050
friends and stuff like that, if they need something

00:44:59.050 --> 00:45:01.809
from the kit, whether it's snares, cymbals, or

00:45:01.809 --> 00:45:04.210
even a full kit, I just let them get it. You

00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:06.829
strike me as the kind of person that has a very

00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:12.309
elaborate collection of drums. I have four kits

00:45:12.309 --> 00:45:16.710
that I'm proud to have, and just a lot of different

00:45:16.710 --> 00:45:20.690
snares and cymbals and knick -knacks and everything

00:45:20.690 --> 00:45:24.269
like that. Yeah, I've come a long way. I'll put

00:45:24.269 --> 00:45:26.690
it like that. I've definitely worked hard to

00:45:26.690 --> 00:45:30.650
have the stuff I have. What are some of the most

00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:33.469
interesting or unique drums that you like to

00:45:33.469 --> 00:45:38.550
play on sometimes? Honestly, I just started getting

00:45:38.550 --> 00:45:43.130
into a drum called a slapbox. Okay. Yeah, it

00:45:43.130 --> 00:45:48.070
stays in the car. It's basically a cajon. Yeah,

00:45:48.150 --> 00:45:50.619
yeah. I can get it. Yeah, go grab it. I'll just

00:45:50.619 --> 00:45:54.000
cut this pause real quick. Yeah, I got it. It

00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.940
stays with me, man. I'm going to check out this

00:45:56.940 --> 00:46:01.199
kitty situation. You got to chill, bro. Stop

00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:05.739
it. It's all right out there. Yeah, man. Yes,

00:46:05.739 --> 00:46:08.340
sir. All right, we got a slap box here. I'm going

00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:15.760
to adjust the camera so we can get it on. Okay.

00:46:15.820 --> 00:46:17.579
You want to give us a little demo with it? Yeah,

00:46:17.659 --> 00:47:07.739
I got you. Yeah, man. Hell yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah.

00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.460
Yeah, I love this thing, man. It's called a Slapbox.

00:47:11.739 --> 00:47:16.719
It comes from the Cajon family. So if you've

00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.179
seen a Cajon, this is essentially what this is,

00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.980
but it has inputs to where you can amplify it

00:47:23.980 --> 00:47:29.599
and put it into a system. And the bass on here,

00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.619
it's really massive. When I see it's got multiple...

00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:36.480
Holes, driver holes. I don't know what you would

00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.039
call that. Yeah, it just emits the sound. You

00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:41.460
know what I'm saying? Just puts it out there

00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:45.199
more. So just one beat. And you can make all

00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.139
kinds of different sounds with that too, I noticed.

00:47:47.420 --> 00:47:54.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this. And you get your

00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.519
bass here. But if I plug it into a system, like

00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:59.449
it'll. It's like a whole kit. It'll fill up the

00:47:59.449 --> 00:48:01.690
room. Yeah. It's like a whole kit in your lap.

00:48:01.889 --> 00:48:07.090
Yeah. That's wild. Very... Yeah. It's actually

00:48:07.090 --> 00:48:09.230
a really big hit. Like, whenever I take it out

00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:11.090
somewhere, because it reminds you, like, of a

00:48:11.090 --> 00:48:15.110
school desk. So it makes people feel like anybody

00:48:15.110 --> 00:48:18.030
can... Really, anybody could play it. If you

00:48:18.030 --> 00:48:20.269
want to... Oh, man. Yeah, it's nothing to it,

00:48:20.269 --> 00:48:21.730
man. I'm going to probably end up cutting this.

00:48:21.750 --> 00:48:34.090
Nah. There it is. There it is. A lot of different

00:48:34.090 --> 00:48:36.030
sounds coming out of that thing at once. A lot

00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:36.630
of different sounds, man. That's pretty cool.

00:48:36.849 --> 00:48:38.929
I played a little drums on Rock Band before.

00:48:39.309 --> 00:48:41.530
Say that again? I played drums on Rock Band,

00:48:41.650 --> 00:48:46.329
the video games. Yeah. Oh, man. I used to do

00:48:46.329 --> 00:48:48.090
that, too. I haven't thought about that in years.

00:48:48.309 --> 00:48:50.309
I'll bust it out after the interview if you want.

00:48:50.349 --> 00:48:52.989
Let's play. Oh, my goodness. Man, that's pleasant.

00:48:53.289 --> 00:48:54.969
Yeah, I haven't even thought about Rock Band

00:48:54.969 --> 00:48:56.829
in a while. Yeah, that'll get you right, too.

00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.300
At what point did you – because you told me last

00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.400
time we talked that you're – this is it. You're

00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.599
able to do this full time now. What was the turning

00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:12.539
point for you for that? The turning point was

00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:16.440
really I just wanted – okay, so I was working

00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.659
at – I was doing security. I was working security

00:49:19.659 --> 00:49:23.219
at Bond Elementary School. So I was doing that,

00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.539
which is a cool job. Honestly, I didn't have

00:49:26.539 --> 00:49:29.880
any issues. or anything like that. Yeah, just

00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:31.440
in case this doesn't work out. You know what

00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.059
I'm saying? Let's be clear. Let's be clear. I

00:49:35.059 --> 00:49:38.900
had no problems with that. None. I was cool.

00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:42.000
But you know how you just want to see if you

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.599
can fly. You know what I'm saying? Just do this

00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:48.320
full time. Just make your own schedule. So that's

00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.119
really just what inspired it. Me just stepping

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.800
out there. I wanted to be able to say that I

00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.019
gave it a shot. I didn't want to live my life

00:49:57.019 --> 00:49:59.059
with regrets and be like, yeah, I just never

00:49:59.059 --> 00:50:02.260
took that leap of faith to see if I can just

00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:05.840
solely do this. Now, I will be honest. You know

00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.480
what I'm saying? It's not all. Oh, it's hard.

00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:11.940
Yeah. And it gets harder. It's getting harder.

00:50:12.219 --> 00:50:15.699
Yeah. Honestly, it is. I have to be completely

00:50:15.699 --> 00:50:19.380
transparent, like still having that stability,

00:50:19.739 --> 00:50:22.019
knowing when the tickets come in, what it's going

00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:24.800
to be and everything like that. I would not knock

00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.699
that for anyone. You know what I'm saying? Because

00:50:27.699 --> 00:50:30.119
this is a different ballgame. Because you can

00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.519
have your hot season where you're getting booked

00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.579
all the time, gigging out every week, every weekend,

00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:38.960
everything's rolling. But the dry season happens

00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.699
too, where you may have a gig here and there

00:50:42.699 --> 00:50:46.059
and stuff like that. So it comes in waves. I

00:50:46.059 --> 00:50:48.880
had J. Roddy Walston on here. He's a musician,

00:50:49.179 --> 00:50:52.300
songwriter, piano player, guitar player, that

00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:57.219
kind of thing. And he told me that if you want

00:50:57.219 --> 00:51:00.420
to make that kind of thing work, like if you

00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:02.900
want to make it in any way, if you want to be

00:51:02.900 --> 00:51:06.179
able to make a living doing what you love, you

00:51:06.179 --> 00:51:09.739
can't have a backup plan. No plan B. Because

00:51:09.739 --> 00:51:15.000
that plan B, like that stability, that stuff

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.159
is really nice. But the moment you have that,

00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:24.699
it takes away. The survival instinct aspect of

00:51:24.699 --> 00:51:30.340
being, of driving your heart. Yeah, that's so

00:51:30.340 --> 00:51:33.639
true. And if you make it the primary focus, if

00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:37.139
you make it your only option. You have to. You

00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:39.880
have to make it. You don't give yourself a choice

00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.300
but to make it work. Once again, I wouldn't recommend

00:51:44.300 --> 00:51:47.000
that to everybody. I wouldn't either. I'm just

00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.059
going to be honest. But I do think if you're

00:51:49.059 --> 00:51:51.260
going to give it a shot, if you really think

00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:54.519
you want to give it a shot, figuring out a way

00:51:54.519 --> 00:52:00.780
to do that is the right way for me. And I think

00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:03.260
that was one of the first things that attracted

00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:08.860
me to talking to you when we first met. I knew

00:52:08.860 --> 00:52:11.070
you were one of these people that... We're putting

00:52:11.070 --> 00:52:15.510
your all into it. Thanks. What are some of the

00:52:15.510 --> 00:52:18.570
projects that you, cause you play, you drummer

00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:20.309
on the move is something you do consistently.

00:52:21.190 --> 00:52:23.570
What are some of the one -off things that you've

00:52:23.570 --> 00:52:26.050
done that, that you, that really stuck with you

00:52:26.050 --> 00:52:28.349
or maybe not even one -off, but you've worked

00:52:28.349 --> 00:52:31.550
with people a few times and really stuck out

00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:33.369
really. Maybe like they taught you something

00:52:33.369 --> 00:52:37.989
about your solo music or something like that.

00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:41.699
Is there anything that kind of sticks out? I

00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:45.400
know you've worked with Seep a lot. He's a guru

00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:48.079
when it comes to music. You said the right word.

00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:53.079
A true guru. I'm so glad you brought him up.

00:52:53.860 --> 00:52:56.860
Big shout out to my guy Seep. I call him Seep.

00:52:57.860 --> 00:53:01.340
We've had Terace on here. We haven't had Seep

00:53:01.340 --> 00:53:04.079
on yet. Gotta get him on here. That'd be really

00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:09.599
inspirational too. For real. Man. Seep. He inspires

00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:11.940
me so much because he's just introducing me to

00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:15.280
just other styles of music, just other cultures.

00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:19.400
I feel more cultured when I'm playing with Seep.

00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:22.019
Matter of fact, we have a show coming up at the

00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:26.800
Blue Tavern together. But yeah, man, I've been

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.159
wanting to come to one of those. I've been out

00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:29.980
of town the last couple times you've done it.

00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:32.460
We're going to have plenty more throughout the

00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:35.840
year. Y 'all have worked together a lot. Absolutely.

00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:41.980
What is it like working with somebody consistently

00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:44.440
versus working with somebody just once or twice?

00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:47.340
How does that change how you work with them?

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.300
When you work with someone consistently, you

00:53:50.300 --> 00:53:54.000
start to build chemistry. You just know what

00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.320
they're going to do before they do it and vice

00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:59.639
versa. So it just makes things flow a lot better

00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:01.659
because you spend time with that person and seeing

00:54:01.659 --> 00:54:04.000
how they think, seeing how they move, seeing

00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:09.320
their whole process. You're a lot less improvisational

00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.559
when you're working with somebody for the first

00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:16.539
time. Right. You're just trying to gel. You're

00:54:16.539 --> 00:54:19.219
trying to see where their headspace is. You're

00:54:19.219 --> 00:54:21.559
just trying to collab and just try to come together.

00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:24.739
As opposed to with somebody like Seat. I can

00:54:24.739 --> 00:54:28.179
freestyle more. I pretty much know what he's

00:54:28.179 --> 00:54:32.460
going to do. We'll find each other playing the

00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:34.880
same thing at the same moment. That just comes

00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.420
with it. consistency of just playing with somebody,

00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:39.599
just developing that chemistry. As opposed to

00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.139
someone you work with every now and then, or

00:54:42.139 --> 00:54:44.280
like you said, like a one -off, you're pretty

00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.360
much just trying to find that chemistry because

00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.980
you haven't spent a lot of time together to see

00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:52.099
how each other think. At what point do you think

00:54:52.099 --> 00:54:58.639
you would work with somebody on a more official

00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.239
basis where like, maybe we do some recording,

00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.820
maybe we do... more than one, maybe we come up

00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:09.360
with a name. Is that something that you're open

00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.119
to? Absolutely. I'm absolutely open to collaborating

00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:17.260
and just working with people. But more than just

00:55:17.260 --> 00:55:20.280
like a one -off show or an occasional gig? Yeah,

00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:24.079
I'm totally open to that. I just, I like working

00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.539
with people that have substance. Something to

00:55:26.539 --> 00:55:29.530
say. I love working with passionate people, just

00:55:29.530 --> 00:55:32.250
basically like -minded people. So people like

00:55:32.250 --> 00:55:35.489
that, I could absolutely work with no problem

00:55:35.489 --> 00:55:41.269
consistently. We talk smack about cover bands

00:55:41.269 --> 00:55:44.909
or whatever, but what it comes down to is that's

00:55:44.909 --> 00:55:48.849
what people want to hear a lot of the time. That's

00:55:48.849 --> 00:55:52.349
what the market calls for, especially when you

00:55:52.349 --> 00:55:55.809
don't have a real venue that consistently has

00:55:55.809 --> 00:55:59.349
music. We have a couple of spots that have good

00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:01.530
local shows. Don't get me wrong. I've seen some

00:56:01.530 --> 00:56:04.949
really good local shows recently. 926 and The

00:56:04.949 --> 00:56:09.349
Bark. But we don't have any dedicated music venues

00:56:09.349 --> 00:56:13.969
of club size in this town anymore, really. What

00:56:13.969 --> 00:56:17.590
Floyd's used to be, even The Moon is a really

00:56:17.590 --> 00:56:19.550
big room for a lot of the artists that we're

00:56:19.550 --> 00:56:21.750
talking about and for local bands to play, especially.

00:56:22.150 --> 00:56:25.570
Right. What are some of the challenges that you...

00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.039
What are some of the ways that you think that

00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:29.820
what you're doing overcomes those challenges

00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:34.820
that I think a lot more traditional, original

00:56:34.820 --> 00:56:39.480
musicians are facing in the scene? I think part

00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.039
of it, just my observation, part of it is it's

00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.199
a lot easier to pay one person than it is four,

00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:50.119
five, six people. And you can have a smaller

00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:54.219
audience and it still be a sustainable show as

00:56:54.219 --> 00:56:57.739
a solo artist. What are some of the other, I

00:56:57.739 --> 00:57:00.340
think, one of the things I see about you is getting

00:57:00.340 --> 00:57:02.280
out there and playing on the street. I was just

00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.380
finna say, yeah, just getting out, playing on

00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:07.800
the street, like, I still do that. And I also

00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.780
have this series called Acoustic Thursdays as

00:57:10.780 --> 00:57:12.860
well where I collaborate. It was about basketball.

00:57:12.860 --> 00:57:16.840
Yeah. Where I collaborate with different musicians

00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.539
and artists around town. What gave me, what sparked

00:57:20.539 --> 00:57:22.860
that idea is that I see where A .I. is headed.

00:57:23.619 --> 00:57:26.599
So I want to. For musicians, I want to go in

00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.300
the opposite direction. So I'm just trying to

00:57:29.300 --> 00:57:33.280
offset where I see everything is going by just

00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.139
making sure that there's still something going

00:57:36.139 --> 00:57:38.840
on around here that's still authentic and pure.

00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:42.039
Not trying to be perfect. You know what I'm saying?

00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:47.280
Not even really out here trying to impress or

00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.880
to put on to impress people. Because you play

00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:56.599
music. You're playing. play outside or play in

00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:58.840
a game like you're supposed to have fun and it's

00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.340
supposed to be you're supposed to play music

00:58:01.340 --> 00:58:03.900
but where i see everything is going you have

00:58:03.900 --> 00:58:09.039
to be perfect like people crash out over feeling

00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.900
like they aren't enough yeah and for sure that's

00:58:13.900 --> 00:58:18.260
perfection like i think that personally has been

00:58:18.260 --> 00:58:20.079
one of the biggest that was one of the biggest

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.039
things that stopped me from doing the things

00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.619
i wanted to do like That drive for perfection

00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:30.320
for the longest time. Sometimes it's an excuse

00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:34.400
to not do it. Sometimes it's a self -esteem thing.

00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.639
I think it's a combination of all these things.

00:58:37.139 --> 00:58:39.460
But I know exactly what you're talking about

00:58:39.460 --> 00:58:42.360
because if you look online and everybody's life

00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.559
is perfect, everybody's songs are perfect, everybody's

00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:50.019
beats are perfect, everybody's got their drums

00:58:50.019 --> 00:58:54.119
fixed to... By some producer who, you know. Yeah.

00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:56.199
And I'm not saying that there's not a place for

00:58:56.199 --> 00:59:01.179
that. Right. But when that's all there is, and

00:59:01.179 --> 00:59:05.059
that's all, it's really hard to think that your

00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:08.900
shit is worth anything. That's exactly it. That's

00:59:08.900 --> 00:59:11.380
exactly it. And it's really hard to be like,

00:59:11.380 --> 00:59:13.420
I'm going to put this out there, and it's not

00:59:13.420 --> 00:59:16.920
perfect, even though everything I see seems to

00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.320
be. That's hard. That's very hard. And it's all

00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.639
perspective, too. It's all perspective. So what

00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.780
you can think, oh, man, this is the most perfect

00:59:25.780 --> 00:59:28.139
thing I've ever seen. The next person can think

00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:31.519
it's trash. So really, the whole time, it's all

00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:36.079
in your own head. Man, the best thing I did was

00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:39.880
just said, fuck it. I started putting them out.

00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.039
There you go. Yep. And I think there was elements

00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:46.619
of that procrastination, trying to get it right.

00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.380
Get it perfect. That served me well. Right. Don't

00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:54.940
get me wrong. But eventually you have to let

00:59:54.940 --> 00:59:59.360
go of it. That's it, man. That's it. Having examples

00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:03.800
out there of things that aren't polished. I don't

01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.460
want to say they're not perfect because they

01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:08.420
are perfect. But they're not polished. Right.

01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:13.900
In the way that the algorithm might reward or

01:00:13.900 --> 01:00:18.570
something like that. I think seeing that more

01:00:18.570 --> 01:00:21.989
is more inspirational than seeing everything

01:00:21.989 --> 01:00:25.670
being perfect all the time. Bingo. And I think

01:00:25.670 --> 01:00:29.989
that, to bring it back to the slap box, I think

01:00:29.989 --> 01:00:33.369
that's why people love it. You get such a response

01:00:33.369 --> 01:00:35.469
with it. It goes back to what you were talking

01:00:35.469 --> 01:00:37.409
about, because anybody feels like they can do

01:00:37.409 --> 01:00:40.550
it. That's where the connection happens, I feel,

01:00:40.710 --> 01:00:43.849
in humanity. You know what I'm saying? People

01:00:43.849 --> 01:00:46.789
like to feel... Like, they can be a part too.

01:00:47.389 --> 01:00:51.610
Sing this line for me. Yeah. It's exactly like

01:00:51.610 --> 01:00:55.750
what drew me in in the first place to rock and

01:00:55.750 --> 01:01:00.409
roll was, yeah, I want to be part of this. It's

01:01:00.409 --> 01:01:04.570
a happening. It's not just a show. And I think

01:01:04.570 --> 01:01:09.170
that's where, like, big shows, arena shows, civic

01:01:09.170 --> 01:01:14.079
center, that gets lost. Right. That's why I love

01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.760
club shows more than anything. I love a 500 seat

01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:22.219
venue. That is where I want to see a band. Yeah,

01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.539
you feel included. Yeah. You feel included. And

01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:31.699
I think everybody wants to feel included in some

01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:34.460
type of way. I'm going to shift gears just a

01:01:34.460 --> 01:01:36.360
little bit here because I want to talk about

01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.960
this too. I think a lot of musicians are afraid.

01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.139
To busk, essentially. Because that's essentially

01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:46.000
what you're doing a lot of the time. What are

01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:50.360
some of the legalities around that here and in

01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.639
other places that you've worked? Is it something

01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.300
that you concern yourself? For you, is it more

01:01:56.300 --> 01:01:59.659
of a, I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission?

01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:02.820
Or have you done a lot of research on this stuff

01:02:02.820 --> 01:02:06.099
to figure out where you can and can't play? Honestly,

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:11.059
no. Nah, nah. Okay. Honestly, I just try to go

01:02:11.059 --> 01:02:15.000
off of intuition. I'm not going to be anywhere

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.460
to where I know I'm going to cause a lot of problems.

01:02:20.460 --> 01:02:22.780
I'm not going to play directly in front of a

01:02:22.780 --> 01:02:26.699
store. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I

01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:30.139
try to find space. Most of the time, I'm on the

01:02:30.139 --> 01:02:32.119
street. You know what I'm saying? I'm not really

01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.559
around anybody where I can disturb the peace,

01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.820
basically. So I look for... for areas where I

01:02:37.820 --> 01:02:41.840
can essentially just not be a disturbance. I

01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:45.199
haven't done a, now, which I should've did, you

01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.159
know, one of my earlier videos when I first started

01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:51.619
out with Drum On The Move that went viral, I

01:02:51.619 --> 01:02:56.039
played on the train track and I wasn't, I didn't

01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:59.719
know it was illegal until I started getting comments.

01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:03.420
Hey, you might want to take this down. But I

01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:06.519
was already like... It was already, like, taking

01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.000
off and getting high. I was just like, oh, I

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.760
can't. Yeah. It was AI anyway. Yeah. You shot

01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.239
that on a green screen. It's fine. I was like,

01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.300
look, I'm just going to take my chance because

01:03:16.300 --> 01:03:18.940
my name is getting out there with this video.

01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.219
I'm just going to take my chances. My dad called

01:03:22.219 --> 01:03:24.420
me. He was like, hey, Marlon, don't ever do that

01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:27.739
again. That's illegal. Like, you cannot just

01:03:27.739 --> 01:03:30.139
set up and just play on a train track. So I was

01:03:30.139 --> 01:03:34.980
like, ah, okay. Ah, yeah. I haven't done it since,

01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:37.440
but that's a time that I remember I was just

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.960
like, I probably should have did my research.

01:03:39.539 --> 01:03:41.460
I feel like that's one of those times, though,

01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:44.099
that if you had done your research, that video

01:03:44.099 --> 01:03:46.739
never would have gotten made. Thank you. It was

01:03:46.739 --> 01:03:49.780
meant to happen. I wasn't in fear of being hit

01:03:49.780 --> 01:03:54.159
by a train. You hear it coming. I didn't set

01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:56.880
up my whole drum set the way I have to. Just

01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.400
little bits and pieces the way if I hear something,

01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:00.599
I can just pull it to the side. What if you were

01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.010
really into it, man? What if you were just grooving?

01:04:04.429 --> 01:04:07.250
Nah, I was still conscious because I was, you

01:04:07.250 --> 01:04:09.650
know what I'm saying? I was just like, I want

01:04:09.650 --> 01:04:15.550
to be able to hear something coming. So you play

01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:17.909
in a lot of places where it can be noisy. There's

01:04:17.909 --> 01:04:20.070
other noises, other sounds going around. Does

01:04:20.070 --> 01:04:21.849
that ever get incorporated into what you're playing?

01:04:22.630 --> 01:04:24.889
Really nothing other than just people honking

01:04:24.889 --> 01:04:28.530
and saying, we love you or you sound great or

01:04:28.530 --> 01:04:32.989
something like that. People have come, like pulled

01:04:32.989 --> 01:04:36.809
around. They've gotten out of their cars and

01:04:36.809 --> 01:04:39.030
just come and dance in the video and stuff like

01:04:39.030 --> 01:04:41.489
that. Just being a part. Because around here,

01:04:41.510 --> 01:04:44.909
that's rarely seen. People just outside playing.

01:04:45.170 --> 01:04:46.989
So I guess it's really intriguing to people.

01:04:47.190 --> 01:04:50.170
So I've definitely had several instances. I want

01:04:50.170 --> 01:04:54.130
to see more of it. Me too. I think it'd be cool

01:04:54.130 --> 01:04:56.409
to just see people just on the corner or whatever,

01:04:56.550 --> 01:04:59.710
like playing guitars. Pretty much anything musical.

01:05:00.329 --> 01:05:03.090
Just displaying their talent. I think that'll

01:05:03.090 --> 01:05:06.250
be cool to see. That's inspiring. I think that's

01:05:06.250 --> 01:05:10.269
the kind of thing that the commissioners could

01:05:10.269 --> 01:05:13.190
get behind that wouldn't divide them, wouldn't

01:05:13.190 --> 01:05:15.590
turn into this. Everybody wants to hear some

01:05:15.590 --> 01:05:19.730
music in certain places. Anyway. It's all positive

01:05:19.730 --> 01:05:23.110
vibes, man. Just positive energy. What I get

01:05:23.110 --> 01:05:26.389
most out of it is when people approach me and

01:05:26.389 --> 01:05:30.280
say they had a bad day. I'm going to share this

01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.320
story that I was outside playing. I was out on

01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:35.739
Capitol Circle, just playing on the sidewalk.

01:05:36.659 --> 01:05:41.800
And a lady stopped at the red light and she told

01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:44.239
me to come to her car. She was like, I just lost

01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:49.039
my baby. And I'm really going through it. And

01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.699
I heard you playing as I was coming down the

01:05:51.699 --> 01:05:55.159
street and it just completely made my day. I'll

01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:58.199
never forget that because you don't know. what

01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.000
people are going through. You know what I'm saying?

01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:05.639
So it's stories like that's what really drives

01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.179
me to play outside. Cause just honestly, I don't

01:06:09.179 --> 01:06:11.900
be out there asking for money. I'm not really

01:06:11.900 --> 01:06:13.880
trying to get anything out of people. Now, if

01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:15.480
they come with it and be like, Hey, I want to

01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:16.880
bless you with something. I'm just like, who

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.719
am I to turn it down? You know what I'm saying?

01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:22.860
If that's on your heart, if that's on your heart

01:06:22.860 --> 01:06:25.320
to want to give, you see what I got going on.

01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.460
I'm flattered. I'm grateful for that, but I don't

01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:32.079
just intentionally go out there to play for money.

01:06:32.579 --> 01:06:35.019
I think when people do that, when they support,

01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:38.440
it's because they want to see it happen more.

01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:44.460
And then to support these things is to keep them

01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:47.599
going, is to keep them sustainable. Right. And

01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:50.539
so that's the way I've always looked at it. That's

01:06:50.539 --> 01:06:53.900
real. That's real. It's not anything other than,

01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:58.420
hey, man, I want you to be here tomorrow. Wow.

01:06:58.699 --> 01:07:01.460
Yeah. I haven't thought about it like that until.

01:07:01.940 --> 01:07:07.579
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, one thing that comes up

01:07:07.579 --> 01:07:10.239
on this podcast quite a bit is like a lot of

01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:13.860
artists have either internal or external like

01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:18.280
turmoil, struggles, maybe a darkness. Some people

01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.699
get into it just for the love of the art, though.

01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.980
And it's not necessarily like a coping mechanism

01:07:24.980 --> 01:07:28.199
for anything else. Where do you think you fall

01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.219
on that spectrum? Honestly, all of the above.

01:07:30.659 --> 01:07:34.519
I do it because I really do have a passion for

01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:37.420
it. I truly love it. And then a lot of times

01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:39.539
I do it to cope with something, to get through

01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:41.780
something. You know what I'm saying? Anytime

01:07:41.780 --> 01:07:47.380
I'm going through something, I aim to channel

01:07:47.380 --> 01:07:51.599
it constructively instead of destructively. I've

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:53.300
been there. I used to drink a lot. I used to

01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:58.639
smoke a lot, like a lot. Yeah. And now I just

01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.400
channel that into just playing and working out,

01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.340
basically. Was there like a turning point for

01:08:05.340 --> 01:08:10.960
you with that kind of lifestyle, converting that

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:16.159
energy into more positive outlets? Honestly,

01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:19.619
after my divorce. After I got a divorce, I was

01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:22.739
just like, hey, what am I doing out here? What

01:08:22.739 --> 01:08:26.140
am I doing out here? Just took accountability

01:08:26.140 --> 01:08:28.680
of everything that I contributed to everything.

01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.460
And I was just like, nah, I have to turn my life

01:08:31.460 --> 01:08:35.600
around. Like, what I've been doing got me here.

01:08:36.619 --> 01:08:39.960
Right. You know what I'm saying? And it comes

01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:42.439
to a point where you just have to surrender and

01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:44.699
just be like, hey, man, I really don't know everything.

01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:47.609
I don't have it all figured out. I don't have

01:08:47.609 --> 01:08:50.289
it all together. I don't know what I thought

01:08:50.289 --> 01:08:56.149
I knew. So at some point, I'm speaking generally,

01:08:56.229 --> 01:08:58.989
but for me, I had to just surrender. I just got

01:08:58.989 --> 01:09:00.710
sick and tired of being sick and tired, man.

01:09:00.970 --> 01:09:04.489
Yeah. I get upset or stressed or something like

01:09:04.489 --> 01:09:07.930
that. Instead of going to get a bottle or get

01:09:07.930 --> 01:09:11.670
a pack of beer or something like that, I just

01:09:11.670 --> 01:09:14.140
started. going outside, you know what I'm saying?

01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:17.000
And just playing, get that fresh air, let the

01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:19.300
sun hit me, let hear the birds and everything

01:09:19.300 --> 01:09:24.560
like that. And like, even while people may feel

01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.159
like I'm making their day by them seeing me,

01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:28.939
they making mine too. Cause they don't know what

01:09:28.939 --> 01:09:30.579
I'm going through as well. You know what I'm

01:09:30.579 --> 01:09:33.479
saying? So it was actually like a give and take

01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.260
even to this day. Like people would never know

01:09:36.260 --> 01:09:39.039
that I have. Something says going on because

01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:41.220
I'm just out there with all smiles, but they're

01:09:41.220 --> 01:09:45.020
blessing me as well. So after my divorce, I was

01:09:45.020 --> 01:09:46.760
just like, no, something has to change. I have

01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:48.399
to change. I'm not going to continue to live

01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.359
my life like this. It's not conducive to the

01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:55.399
well -being of my mental health. So I was just

01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:59.119
like, you always have the power to decide what

01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:02.000
to do. A lot of things are you just really only

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.699
one decision away from just changing your life.

01:10:05.449 --> 01:10:07.850
For better or for worse. For better or for worse.

01:10:07.949 --> 01:10:11.430
You always have the power to decide. So that

01:10:11.430 --> 01:10:14.789
was the turning point for me. What are some of

01:10:14.789 --> 01:10:18.489
the things that people can find you on? You've

01:10:18.489 --> 01:10:22.189
got your Acoustic Thursdays. You're playing out

01:10:22.189 --> 01:10:25.350
in the community on a regular basis. Where can

01:10:25.350 --> 01:10:28.789
people find you if they want to follow what you're

01:10:28.789 --> 01:10:32.550
doing? Yeah, I play a lot at Island Wings. I'm

01:10:32.550 --> 01:10:36.590
there quite a bit. No set schedule there. Just

01:10:36.590 --> 01:10:39.289
when they hit me up to come through and play,

01:10:39.310 --> 01:10:41.010
I play out there. But I'll be out there quite

01:10:41.010 --> 01:10:44.970
a bit. And you said Instagram is your biggest

01:10:44.970 --> 01:10:47.569
platform? Instagram is my biggest platform. I

01:10:47.569 --> 01:10:50.649
would say Instagram is the platform to where

01:10:50.649 --> 01:10:53.810
I was really able to reach people all over the

01:10:53.810 --> 01:10:58.470
world with my videos. Facebook is solid. As well,

01:10:58.729 --> 01:11:02.050
I would say Facebook is more so like around the

01:11:02.050 --> 01:11:04.630
area, around the region. Yeah, yeah. You know

01:11:04.630 --> 01:11:06.649
what I'm saying? That makes sense, yeah. More

01:11:06.649 --> 01:11:09.569
the Tallahassee area community, I would say.

01:11:09.649 --> 01:11:13.090
But Instagram is definitely it. I have a TikTok

01:11:13.090 --> 01:11:17.029
as well. YouTube, I post on YouTube. I wouldn't

01:11:17.029 --> 01:11:22.210
say those are as popping as Instagram, but Instagram

01:11:22.210 --> 01:11:25.270
is absolutely. Man, it's with all the different

01:11:25.270 --> 01:11:31.229
platforms. Another content creator, it is so

01:11:31.229 --> 01:11:33.970
hard to make, when you're doing it by yourself,

01:11:34.149 --> 01:11:36.869
to make yourself present on all the platforms.

01:11:37.750 --> 01:11:41.069
I've focused really hard on just one platform.

01:11:42.210 --> 01:11:47.350
YouTube has been really good to me. But I think

01:11:47.350 --> 01:11:52.829
focusing on one for each purpose is really smart.

01:11:52.970 --> 01:11:57.470
Having Facebook for your local stuff. promoting

01:11:57.470 --> 01:11:59.569
where you're going to be in town and stuff like

01:11:59.569 --> 01:12:02.590
that. And then your Instagram, that's your content

01:12:02.590 --> 01:12:05.569
machine. That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah,

01:12:05.670 --> 01:12:09.029
that's how it set up for me. What's next for

01:12:09.029 --> 01:12:11.909
you? This year I'm going to be releasing a lot

01:12:11.909 --> 01:12:15.390
of music. Okay. And a lot of my music, I would

01:12:15.390 --> 01:12:18.390
put it in the genre of more so like easy listening

01:12:18.390 --> 01:12:23.189
type deal. Just a lot of instrumentals, easy

01:12:23.189 --> 01:12:26.270
listening instrumentals. I'll be dropping a lot

01:12:26.270 --> 01:12:29.270
of that this year. Okay. Which, honestly, has

01:12:29.270 --> 01:12:31.529
taken me a lot of courage to even get to this

01:12:31.529 --> 01:12:34.130
point because I was in my own head trying to

01:12:34.130 --> 01:12:36.810
make it perfect. When I think it's right, I'm

01:12:36.810 --> 01:12:41.090
just like, ah, it could still be more or it could

01:12:41.090 --> 01:12:43.210
still be this, you know what I'm saying, as opposed

01:12:43.210 --> 01:12:47.010
to just get it out there, just release it. So

01:12:47.010 --> 01:12:49.510
that's something that I'm embarking on this year.

01:12:49.710 --> 01:12:53.779
And I also have... collab projects that I'm working

01:12:53.779 --> 01:12:58.220
with different artists. My friend Tobias, I don't

01:12:58.220 --> 01:13:01.359
know if you're familiar with Brad Fouts, plays

01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.220
guitar. That name's familiar, but I don't think

01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:06.520
I know him personally. Yeah, I have stuff coming

01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:09.859
out with him. I would love to do something with

01:13:09.859 --> 01:13:13.840
Seat. Yeah. Get more into earthy sounds and rhythms.

01:13:15.080 --> 01:13:17.720
Multicultural music. Marlon, it's been really

01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:19.100
awesome talking to you, man. Is there anything

01:13:19.100 --> 01:13:20.739
else you want to mention before we wrap this

01:13:20.739 --> 01:13:25.300
up? Let's see. I just want to give people an

01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:29.220
encouraging word real quick. Just be yourself.

01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:34.319
It sounds really cliche to say, like everybody

01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:37.000
said, but just be who you are. There's no one

01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.100
else in the world like you. God made you for

01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:45.659
a reason. Walk in that. Stand firm in that. Know

01:13:45.659 --> 01:13:48.960
who you are and know who you aren't. That's what

01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.819
I have to say. Hell yeah, Marlon. Thanks, man.

01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:55.399
No, thank you. Thank you. That was my interview

01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.279
with Marlon Williams, drummer on the move. You

01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:02.140
can catch him anywhere around the 850 area. Follow

01:14:02.140 --> 01:14:04.880
him on Instagram and all that jazz, and you can

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