WEBVTT 00:00:51.659 --> 00:00:54.600 Welcome to Overeducated and Underemployed. Y 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.679 'all know who it is. This week we've got my dear 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:01.359 friend Kelly Goddard, who is a singer -songwriter 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:09.760 and also just like a really fun, hilarious person 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:16.819 to talk to. She was in bands like the New 76ers. 00:01:21.579 --> 00:01:27.780 She was in a band called the New 76ers, and she's 00:01:27.780 --> 00:01:30.280 currently putting together a new record with 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.219 them. They were on hiatus, and we get into that, 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.019 but they're back in the studio. She also plays 00:01:37.019 --> 00:01:39.400 with Elizabeth Fravel, who was on last week, 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:46.680 and a few months back as well. They play in a 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:50.319 band called the Dolce Trio. with Jillian Canning, 00:01:50.420 --> 00:01:55.219 who I hope to have on here soon. She also teaches 00:01:55.219 --> 00:01:58.459 at the Spirit of the Suwannee Kids Music Camp 00:01:58.459 --> 00:02:01.560 or the Suwannee Spirit Kids Music Camp at Spirit 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.299 of the Suwannee Music Park. And so we talk about 00:02:05.299 --> 00:02:10.740 her experiences there as well. I had a great 00:02:10.740 --> 00:02:13.300 time talking to her. We got off the rails a few 00:02:13.300 --> 00:02:15.400 times, so there are some edits here and there, 00:02:15.460 --> 00:02:19.069 but she also played us three songs. I'm super 00:02:19.069 --> 00:02:23.289 excited for y 'all to hear them. Here's my talk 00:02:23.289 --> 00:02:27.050 with Kelly Goddard of the New 76ers and the Dolce 00:02:27.050 --> 00:02:52.240 Trio. Check it out. She opens with a song. I 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:57.599 don't think it's right. Just because your skin 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:02.780 is white, you think it's okay to act like that. 00:03:04.060 --> 00:03:09.139 Well, we're down to the wire. What's it gonna 00:03:09.139 --> 00:04:49.170 be? without it. Because we're down to... How's 00:04:49.170 --> 00:04:51.810 it going? It's going good. I'm here with Kelly 00:04:51.810 --> 00:04:55.089 Goddard. She's been in a lot of different bands 00:04:55.089 --> 00:04:58.209 over the years. A couple of ones that come to 00:04:58.209 --> 00:05:02.009 mind are the New 76ers. Her current band that 00:05:02.009 --> 00:05:04.290 I've seen quite a few times is the Dolce Trio, 00:05:04.389 --> 00:05:07.870 but she also does a lot of solo stuff too. That's 00:05:07.870 --> 00:05:10.449 right. Welcome to Overeducated and Underemployed, 00:05:10.449 --> 00:05:12.649 Kelly. Thank you. I'm really glad to be here. 00:05:13.269 --> 00:05:14.949 Do you want to talk about that song for a minute 00:05:14.949 --> 00:05:17.850 before we kind of dive into the rest of it? Yeah. 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.800 It's probably self -explanatory, but I'm a public 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.139 servant. I've worked for the state for 22 years 00:05:25.139 --> 00:05:30.199 or 21 .8 years, something like that. So it was 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.779 really bothersome to me whenever Elon Musk was 00:05:33.779 --> 00:05:37.699 over Doge and just was like coming in and just 00:05:37.699 --> 00:05:40.519 tearing things up, basically just butchering. 00:05:41.100 --> 00:05:44.819 What I thought was the civil service. And I have 00:05:44.819 --> 00:05:49.060 friends who work for USDA that lost their jobs. 00:05:49.379 --> 00:05:52.339 Lots of people affected. So that's where that 00:05:52.339 --> 00:05:55.240 song came from. Yeah. It's really interesting 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.740 when they cut all of the stuff that actually 00:05:59.740 --> 00:06:02.339 works in government and keep the shit that doesn't. 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:10.930 Yeah. Before I get into kind of my... Typical 00:06:10.930 --> 00:06:17.689 starting point. I'm wondering how nervous you 00:06:17.689 --> 00:06:22.069 are sometimes as a state employee speaking out 00:06:22.069 --> 00:06:23.870 like that in your music. Does that ever make 00:06:23.870 --> 00:06:28.649 you nervous? I mean, it didn't. It didn't used 00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:31.829 to. I don't think it should. I'm still going 00:06:31.829 --> 00:06:35.589 to do it. It feels actually more important than 00:06:35.589 --> 00:06:39.250 ever to do it. I'm not in a union because... 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.939 whatever class I'm in as like a state employee, 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:47.480 like we can't be in a union, but I support it. 00:06:47.500 --> 00:06:49.680 I support the hell out of it because we don't, 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.420 workers don't get that much choice. And if, I 00:06:52.420 --> 00:06:54.279 don't know if anybody's looked at the state job 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.279 employment, like posting lately, but it's not 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.399 like you're making billions of dollars. We're 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.240 talking like they still have salaries for $29 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:08.920 ,000 a year. Yeah, that's crazy. That required 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.160 degrees. And what are you going to do with that? 00:07:11.220 --> 00:07:17.279 That's poverty level. It really is, and it would 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:23.139 qualify for welfare. And one of the first jobs 00:07:23.139 --> 00:07:27.399 that I didn't take but was offered was actually 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:36.709 trying to root out welfare fraud, okay? But that 00:07:36.709 --> 00:07:39.850 job paid so little that I would have qualified 00:07:39.850 --> 00:07:42.189 for welfare. And I'm sitting there thinking, 00:07:42.189 --> 00:07:45.569 am I going to investigate myself? Or like your 00:07:45.569 --> 00:07:49.209 brother or sister? It was just not a job I was 00:07:49.209 --> 00:07:51.649 ever going to do. But I didn't even know what 00:07:51.649 --> 00:07:53.269 the job was when I went in for the interview. 00:07:53.410 --> 00:07:55.750 But I did help start a labor union in graduate 00:07:55.750 --> 00:07:58.129 school. That's cool. That is still running. So 00:07:58.129 --> 00:08:03.420 I also am a big union supporter. More into... 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:05.860 Yeah, we just kicked... I just jumped in. He 00:08:05.860 --> 00:08:09.500 kicked our ass with that song, so I had to just 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:12.420 see what couple thoughts I had about it. Especially 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:16.540 someone that works for the government. Yeah, 00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:21.439 it's a scary time. But I'm going to back up all 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.420 the way to the very beginning. And I'm going 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:26.019 to ask you the same question I ask everybody 00:08:26.019 --> 00:08:29.360 when I have them on here to begin with. And that's, 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.399 what's the first song? That you remember loving 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.320 as a kid? I've been working on the railroad. 00:08:36.820 --> 00:08:39.980 Okay. All the live long day. All right. Just 00:08:39.980 --> 00:08:43.519 to pass the time away. Actually. It's funny. 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.700 I've had a few people like give me that type 00:08:45.700 --> 00:08:48.860 of answer. And then they're like pop music answer. 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.940 But some people like skip over that kind of song 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:55.700 entirely. Which is, to be honest, I think like. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.019 The first time somebody told me their nursery 00:08:59.019 --> 00:09:02.240 rhyme type favorite song, I was like, that's 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:03.879 not really what I mean. And then I was like, 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.799 actually, that's the perfect answer. But then 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.059 several other people have not even considered 00:09:09.059 --> 00:09:12.139 that. And I'm like, do you even like nursery 00:09:12.139 --> 00:09:14.799 rhymes? They might not have had, but I have this 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:20.440 vivid memory. My grandma, she was a singer. And 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.100 this was the 80s, so we had the little portable 00:09:23.100 --> 00:09:25.960 tape machines that you could just re -record. 00:09:26.019 --> 00:09:27.960 You could get blank tapes and just record whatever 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.440 you wanted. And she had a ton of them. And so 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.820 there was one of me that I had for years. I have 00:09:34.820 --> 00:09:37.460 no idea where it is. But it was me at four singing 00:09:37.460 --> 00:09:43.039 that song. And it was amazing. It was on key 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.049 and everything? Maybe. You said it was amazing. 00:09:46.049 --> 00:09:49.330 It was cool to hear my four -year -old self. 00:09:49.450 --> 00:09:52.190 I think I was probably 12 or 13. When you found 00:09:52.190 --> 00:09:54.049 it? Yeah, I listened back and I was like, aw, 00:09:54.330 --> 00:09:59.350 that was cute. So then the follow -up, what's 00:09:59.350 --> 00:10:02.009 the first pop song? And by pop song, I just mean 00:10:02.009 --> 00:10:05.889 commercially released song. Do you remember really 00:10:05.889 --> 00:10:09.129 attaching to or being inquisitive about? Probably 00:10:09.129 --> 00:10:13.070 the whole Thriller album. Yeah. Was like... I 00:10:13.070 --> 00:10:16.429 remember, like, being on the back porch of my 00:10:16.429 --> 00:10:19.970 house, like, 9, 10 years old or something, and 00:10:19.970 --> 00:10:23.250 having that record on and making up dance moves 00:10:23.250 --> 00:10:27.649 and stuff with my friends. So, yeah, I think 00:10:27.649 --> 00:10:32.169 that was it, probably. One that I really loved. 00:10:32.289 --> 00:10:35.090 The whole record, all of it. Yeah, yeah. That 00:10:35.090 --> 00:10:39.049 record is great. I got to ask, some people... 00:10:39.619 --> 00:10:41.960 Won't listen to Michael Jackson anymore. Do you 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:43.799 still listen to Michael? I do. Hell yeah, me 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.259 too. It's like music for me, I don't, I can't. 00:10:48.740 --> 00:10:51.220 It's less about the artist and more about the 00:10:51.220 --> 00:10:53.899 memory at that point. Sure, yeah. Those are such 00:10:53.899 --> 00:10:56.340 treasured memories. I'm just like, I... You mean 00:10:56.340 --> 00:11:00.940 I can't do this again? Sorry, I never did that. 00:11:01.299 --> 00:11:05.919 I just, I feel like when somebody contributes 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.779 something to our culture that... has such an 00:11:09.779 --> 00:11:13.200 impact and is so important and musically like 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.759 great, like thriller. Right. And first of all, 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.059 like nothing's ever been proved about Michael 00:11:20.059 --> 00:11:24.480 Jackson anyway. But what I will say is that let's 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.879 assume that all of our worst fears are true. 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.559 Are we really going to let him also take the 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:31.480 only good thing, like the good things that he 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.419 contributed to society? Yeah. It's a weird thing 00:11:34.419 --> 00:11:37.899 for me to be like, and then there's also like, 00:11:40.899 --> 00:11:43.919 harry schiffer who's not my favorite comic but 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:47.299 this joke i love because he's just every great 00:11:47.299 --> 00:11:49.460 artist and we're talking like genius level we're 00:11:49.460 --> 00:11:52.159 just fucking crazy just like bat shit insane 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.960 and i'm not even going to get into the bit but 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.320 it's funny because it's so true yeah i think 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.720 so i mean van gogh cut off his ear and shit i 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.940 mean it's like artistic genius has typically 00:12:03.940 --> 00:12:06.220 not come with the most stable personality right 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:08.399 there's they usually have some sort of vice that 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:11.820 is like What the fuck, dude? And I don't know. 00:12:11.899 --> 00:12:16.720 I think it's weird. I think it's weird to want 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.919 to go see someone live who's had a bunch of allegations 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.179 or something like that. I think that's where 00:12:22.179 --> 00:12:24.759 I draw the line. But to stop listening to their 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:26.799 music or to burn their records or throw them 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.220 away, I feel like that's... yeah wasteful and 00:12:30.220 --> 00:12:32.960 i guess it depends too on the artist and yeah 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.039 what that artist meant to me meatloaf i'm good 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.539 like i don't it's okay so you're saying like 00:12:38.539 --> 00:12:41.500 the allegations can be really bad if the record 00:12:41.500 --> 00:12:46.539 was really good no i'm saying if if i didn't 00:12:46.539 --> 00:12:48.840 like the artist or have like memories that were 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.269 attached to the that music then it wouldn't matter 00:12:52.269 --> 00:12:54.990 to me. It's really easy for people like me to 00:12:54.990 --> 00:12:57.669 boycott the NFL because I don't care about football 00:12:57.669 --> 00:13:03.590 at all. Same. When did you realize that you just 00:13:03.590 --> 00:13:06.470 really loved music as a kid? Because I think 00:13:06.470 --> 00:13:09.350 that comes pretty early for most people. Yeah, 00:13:09.490 --> 00:13:13.669 I was probably three or four. Definitely. I loved 00:13:13.669 --> 00:13:17.570 the nursery rhymes. I read them to my kids when 00:13:17.570 --> 00:13:22.659 they were growing up. I love folk songs. We used 00:13:22.659 --> 00:13:27.519 to have a little... I was a plastic record player. 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.960 Like the Fisher -Price thing? Yeah, exactly. 00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:33.259 With 45s, the little ones. And we had a bunch 00:13:33.259 --> 00:13:36.259 of Disney records. And there's this one guy who 00:13:36.259 --> 00:13:39.259 was always the male voice of the Disney record. 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.279 But it'd be all these great songs like Yankee 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:44.980 Doodle Dandy and I've Been Working on the Railroad. 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.769 What else? Yeah, so I think I listened to music 00:13:49.769 --> 00:13:53.370 a lot when I was younger. When did you realize 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:55.809 that you didn't want to just listen to it and 00:13:55.809 --> 00:13:57.710 you wanted to start making it? Was there like 00:13:57.710 --> 00:14:04.090 a moment? Yeah. When I saw the Barbara Mandrell 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:06.690 show when I was little, like I'm dating myself 00:14:06.690 --> 00:14:10.210 big time, but I was like... Your band name does 00:14:10.210 --> 00:14:13.399 that. It was the three, it was like the three 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.679 sisters and one was a guitar player and singer 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:19.500 and she had the best 80s flyback hair. And then 00:14:19.500 --> 00:14:22.500 her two sisters played like fiddle and something 00:14:22.500 --> 00:14:24.919 else, maybe saxophone. And then the other was, 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.360 they were killer. They were so cool. And I was 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.019 like, I want to do that. That looks fun. But 00:14:31.019 --> 00:14:34.169 never, I never wanted to like maybe get. To that 00:14:34.169 --> 00:14:36.350 level. When was the first time you picked up 00:14:36.350 --> 00:14:38.970 an instrument? As opposed to just banging on 00:14:38.970 --> 00:14:40.789 pots and pans. Well, I played piano a little 00:14:40.789 --> 00:14:46.289 bit when I was in high school. And never really 00:14:46.289 --> 00:14:50.269 clicked with my teacher. So I gave that up. I've 00:14:50.269 --> 00:14:54.779 never met a normal piano teacher. I'm just kidding. 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.700 One of our mutual friends is a piano teacher, 00:14:57.779 --> 00:15:00.019 so I'm just talking shit. She ain't normal. I'm 00:15:00.019 --> 00:15:02.340 just kidding. To be fair, she's been on the podcast, 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.100 and our listeners know she ain't that normal. 00:15:04.220 --> 00:15:07.500 She's my energy twin. We're talking about Therese 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:09.679 Wichello. We love her. Who has previously been 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.220 on the podcast, so y 'all have been exposed to 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:16.779 her wonderful quirkiness. Yes. But yeah, she's 00:15:16.779 --> 00:15:18.980 actually the one that got me back into playing 00:15:18.980 --> 00:15:22.710 piano. Therese. Yeah. We're skipping way ahead 00:15:22.710 --> 00:15:25.389 there, but I want to get there. But yeah, I was 00:15:25.389 --> 00:15:29.309 25 when I started, or maybe my first gig was 00:15:29.309 --> 00:15:33.070 on my 25th birthday. So I think I made like $10. 00:15:33.250 --> 00:15:35.750 If you started loving music at such a young age, 00:15:35.950 --> 00:15:41.289 what do you attribute to the gap there? Self 00:15:41.289 --> 00:15:47.110 -confidence, for sure. I was also really shy. 00:15:47.980 --> 00:15:51.620 to put myself out there I was always very chatty 00:15:51.620 --> 00:15:54.220 don't get me wrong like I'll talk your ear off 00:15:54.220 --> 00:15:56.539 but to put myself out there as a kid I was like 00:15:56.539 --> 00:15:59.879 I don't want to do that so I think that was the 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:03.500 main thing yeah so were you ever into were you 00:16:03.500 --> 00:16:06.480 ever on like debate club or you ever do any kind 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.860 of public speaking or anything like that but 00:16:08.860 --> 00:16:11.240 now you even do that as like part of your Day 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.799 job quite a bit. Yeah, sometimes not as much 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.559 with my position now, but I've had jobs where 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.799 I worked at Mission San Luis and I was one of 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.679 the interpreters and educators. So I got to talk 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.419 to a lot of people and that definitely helped 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:32.799 like me just open up and be like, oh, cool. I 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.320 can meet lovely people if I just say hi. So you're 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:41.120 25. Yeah. And. What was the turning point for 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.700 you? You're like, I'm going to pick up. Yeah, 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:49.960 so I went to FSU, of course, because I'm Tallahassee 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:54.980 Lassie. And I studied art history, and my time 00:16:54.980 --> 00:16:58.840 period was Italian Renaissance. I was really 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:03.299 fortunate and took out a student loan to go study 00:17:03.299 --> 00:17:06.740 in Florence. Oh, cool. I did some study abroad 00:17:06.740 --> 00:17:10.640 in Rome for just 10 days, but it was great. It's 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.599 so cool. It's so cool. When I was over there, 00:17:13.660 --> 00:17:17.519 I would go see live music. I don't know. I was 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.839 away from this place that I had been my whole 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.759 life. I'm discovering new things. I was talking 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.009 in a new language. And I think I was like, I 00:17:27.009 --> 00:17:30.329 could do that if I went home. I also had friends 00:17:30.329 --> 00:17:31.910 that were getting married and I was going to 00:17:31.910 --> 00:17:35.250 write them a song and perform it at their wedding. 00:17:36.289 --> 00:17:38.390 I don't really know how that all came about, 00:17:38.470 --> 00:17:40.549 but it was around that time. And I was like, 00:17:40.630 --> 00:17:44.750 okay, that song, the song is, it was sweet, but. 00:17:45.410 --> 00:17:49.430 A little cringy, maybe. So cringe. So cringe. 00:17:50.549 --> 00:17:52.950 I only said that because you were literally cringing 00:17:52.950 --> 00:17:58.089 when thinking about it. It was the thought. I 00:17:58.089 --> 00:18:01.789 think one thing that's been talked about on this 00:18:01.789 --> 00:18:03.990 podcast quite a bit is you just got to do the 00:18:03.990 --> 00:18:06.789 thing. Yeah. Because the more you do the thing. 00:18:07.390 --> 00:18:08.970 like the better it's going to get. And like the 00:18:08.970 --> 00:18:10.950 first time you do the thing, it's probably not 00:18:10.950 --> 00:18:14.109 going to be great. That's true. But you're only 00:18:14.109 --> 00:18:15.630 going to get better by doing the thing. That's 00:18:15.630 --> 00:18:18.630 right. That's right. Yeah, that's the truth. 00:18:19.150 --> 00:18:23.170 So you're in Italy. Were you like there for a 00:18:23.170 --> 00:18:27.750 semester? Did you start learning an instrument 00:18:27.750 --> 00:18:30.690 there or did you decide when you came back? Yeah, 00:18:30.730 --> 00:18:34.420 I came back, graduated. I started going up to 00:18:34.420 --> 00:18:36.720 the warehouse for open mic nights, and I was 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.720 like, what? This is so cool. Sorry. For some 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.819 reason, I thought your mic was off. Is my mic 00:18:42.819 --> 00:18:46.059 on? No, it's on. Okay. Yeah, so I just started 00:18:46.059 --> 00:18:49.559 going up to open mic nights and seeing the music 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.200 that was happening there. Was this at the warehouse? 00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:59.279 Yep, exactly. And I got up my friend Jeff Callahan. 00:19:00.099 --> 00:19:03.960 Jeff with a G. He was hosting it at the time. 00:19:04.779 --> 00:19:08.660 This was before Doc, but just before. And he 00:19:08.660 --> 00:19:10.700 and I had started playing, like I was singing 00:19:10.700 --> 00:19:14.400 and he would play guitar. And so I went up there 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.559 with him and that's how it all started. I just 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.380 got up my nerve one night to like sing. But I 00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:24.559 didn't play at the time. I was still learning. 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.940 And so like meeting Jeff, he played bluegrass. 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.380 And he would like on his porch on Thursdays, 00:19:31.380 --> 00:19:33.680 he and two buddies would get together and just 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.200 drink natural lights and play a bunch of songs. 00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:38.220 And that's literally how I learned to play guitar. 00:19:38.299 --> 00:19:40.339 I would just go hang with them on Thursdays. 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:46.200 Nice. Drink way too many shitty beers. Yeah. 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.200 That's the thing about Natty Light is like you 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.079 can drink way too many of them, but it's not 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:56.420 because you get like too drunk. That's because 00:19:56.420 --> 00:20:00.119 you're trying to. Exactly. Like, how many more 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:04.660 of these crappy things? Yeah. When did you form 00:20:04.660 --> 00:20:10.500 your first band? Let's see. Probably sometime 00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:15.240 around 2001. Okay. Yeah. I think it was probably, 00:20:15.339 --> 00:20:18.740 it was Blue Moon. Was it before 9 -11 or after 00:20:18.740 --> 00:20:24.039 9 -11? It was... Good question. Don't know. I 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.819 think before. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Probably started 00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:29.420 playing. I just feel like that's such a good 00:20:29.420 --> 00:20:31.660 turning point. Yeah. That everybody remembers 00:20:31.660 --> 00:20:33.579 where they were or whatever. So it's like that 00:20:33.579 --> 00:20:39.140 kind of. Yeah. But I think maybe 2000, 2001 approximately. 00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:42.039 It was called Blue Moon. Blue Moon. And we played 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.259 really only one place except for all the benefits 00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:51.589 in town. And that was Posey's. Okay, yeah, yeah. 00:20:51.670 --> 00:20:55.529 And it's gone. That was fun. We would play there. 00:20:55.829 --> 00:20:57.950 Were you playing covers mostly at that point? 00:20:58.069 --> 00:21:02.430 Yeah, mostly covers. A few originals. I had a 00:21:02.430 --> 00:21:07.650 few. We put out a CD, and it was, I think, mostly 00:21:07.650 --> 00:21:11.730 originals. For our younger listeners, CDs are 00:21:11.730 --> 00:21:17.509 compact discs. Like a circular piece of plastic 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:19.549 that's shiny on one side. They're going to come 00:21:19.549 --> 00:21:25.069 back. Don't worry. Because at some point, the 00:21:25.069 --> 00:21:26.750 streaming platforms are going to be like, oh. 00:21:26.869 --> 00:21:28.430 It's already starting to happen. So just go ahead 00:21:28.430 --> 00:21:29.690 and get those CDs, kids. CD sales are coming 00:21:29.690 --> 00:21:32.390 back, actually, right now as we speak. I called 00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:35.250 it. Yeah. Like right this second. Physical media 00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:38.170 in general is coming back. Just I think, like. 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.359 house concerts and things where people can be 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.059 like more communal that stuff's coming back too 00:21:44.059 --> 00:21:49.319 because people are just like they're too alone 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.720 they don't want to be alone anymore yeah but 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.579 then you go out for an hour and then you're like 00:21:54.579 --> 00:22:05.960 maybe alone isn't so bad As a teenager, what 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:07.660 did you, what were you listening to? What were 00:22:07.660 --> 00:22:09.900 you, what was, like, what was, what were your... 00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:13.180 Oh, my God. I was so, like, basically all the, 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.940 like, 80s, 90s R &B. Okay. Like, I was really 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:24.660 into, even before that, I was really into, like, 00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:27.119 oldies. Because that's what my parents on Saturday, 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.619 they would have, like, friends over. Yeah. Temptations. 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.750 The Commodores. Four Tops. The Beatles, but the 00:22:35.750 --> 00:22:38.670 Beach Boys. Yeah. My dad was like, more Beach 00:22:38.670 --> 00:22:42.210 Boys versus Beatles. That was like a real rivalry 00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:45.589 for a while there. He never was like, fuck the 00:22:45.589 --> 00:22:47.589 Beatles, but he was just like, he didn't have 00:22:47.589 --> 00:22:49.569 a lot of their music. And I don't know if it 00:22:49.569 --> 00:22:52.289 was so much with their fans, but they were in 00:22:52.289 --> 00:22:54.430 competition. Brian Wilson and the Beatles, they 00:22:54.430 --> 00:22:57.329 were in competition with each other. I think 00:22:57.329 --> 00:22:59.890 Beach Boys heard Sgt. Pepper, and that's what 00:22:59.890 --> 00:23:04.339 inspired Smile. There's a really great movie. 00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:06.480 Or Pet Sounds, I think is what they were. Yeah. 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.400 There's a really great movie. I think it's called 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.539 Into the Canyon. Maybe. I'm not sure. But it's 00:23:10.539 --> 00:23:13.839 about that whole scene in Laurel Canyon in California. 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.480 Oh, cool. I'll check that out. I love the John. 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.960 They referenced that, actually. And it wasn't 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.839 as much as a rival that I remember it being more 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.180 like, holy shit, Brian Wilson wrote a song based 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:28.680 on this song. And they were amazed by it. But 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:30.880 I don't know. I think it was a friendly rivalry. 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:33.559 But they were definitely trying to outdo each 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:35.579 other. Yeah, because they were both pushing the 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:38.740 limits. Yeah. I love that biopic about the Beach 00:23:38.740 --> 00:23:41.839 Boys with Paul Dono and John Cusack, where Paul 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.259 Dono plays young Brian Wilson and John Cusack 00:23:44.259 --> 00:23:47.279 plays older Brian Wilson. I know the one, but 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.000 I haven't seen it. I know which one you're talking 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.619 about. Oh, it's so good. We should watch it sometime. 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:53.559 It's one of my... I get really snobby. We should 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:55.759 watch it and podcast it, and then we can do that 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.990 thing. MST3K it? Yeah, I don't know. It's so 00:23:58.990 --> 00:24:00.710 good. It would be really hard. It would just 00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:04.049 be us being mean to Brian Wilson for two hours. 00:24:08.609 --> 00:24:13.950 Rest in peace. Yeah, but I did get to see the 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:17.309 Beach Boys with Brian Wilson. Whoa, that's pretty 00:24:17.309 --> 00:24:19.569 cool. It was cool. I never saw the Beach Boys. 00:24:19.769 --> 00:24:22.289 They had some younger guys backing them up to 00:24:22.289 --> 00:24:26.900 fill in the gaps. What year was that? 2010 2011 00:24:26.900 --> 00:24:30.759 it was like it was around it was like after smile 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.160 got completed and released and he got like freed 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:38.859 of his conservatorship and yeah yeah so it was 00:24:38.859 --> 00:24:44.039 pretty late but not like the last few years of 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.940 his life either it was it was like after he got 00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:50.640 Saved and rescued from his crazy manager. And 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.740 that's what that movie is all about. Wow. I'll 00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:54.539 have to watch it. It's really good. Elizabeth 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:56.960 Banks is fantastic in it. Is Cusack, is he the 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.319 manager? No, Cusack is Brian Wilson, but old 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.599 Brian Wilson. And Paul Dono is young Brian Wilson. 00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:07.579 Gotcha. And it cuts between the 60s and the 2000s. 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:12.390 Wow. It's so good. And I get really snobby about 00:25:12.390 --> 00:25:14.869 music biopics sometimes, but I love that one. 00:25:14.930 --> 00:25:16.230 That one's really good. I'm trying to remember 00:25:16.230 --> 00:25:18.690 the name of it. I'll look it up. Yeah, it's whatever. 00:25:18.910 --> 00:25:21.029 We're going to watch it and podcast it. Great. 00:25:21.109 --> 00:25:24.329 It's great. And what did you say? MTXL? MST3. 00:25:24.430 --> 00:25:29.730 Mystery Science Theater 3000. MST3K. I don't 00:25:29.730 --> 00:25:31.710 know about the... We'll definitely watch it. 00:25:31.750 --> 00:25:36.170 The rest is to be determined. You can't even 00:25:36.170 --> 00:25:43.069 say it. We're not doing it. You mentioned briefly 00:25:43.069 --> 00:25:45.309 just a few minutes ago, it sounds like you never 00:25:45.309 --> 00:25:50.089 really wanted to be a famous musician. You were 00:25:50.089 --> 00:25:53.109 like, I didn't want to be that. Yeah, not on 00:25:53.109 --> 00:25:59.549 television. I really like the camaraderie of 00:25:59.549 --> 00:26:03.829 playing music with other people. And I've done 00:26:03.829 --> 00:26:07.859 meditation and been in the same room. with other 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.539 people also meditating and it felt like just 00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:14.559 a little bit more. Like the whole experience 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:16.940 gets lifted because everybody is like working 00:26:16.940 --> 00:26:20.079 towards like. So do you like playing live or 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.480 recording more? Live. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.480 yeah, for sure. And I love playing for kids. 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:31.400 It's so fun. Let's talk about the kids music 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:33.720 camp for a minute. Yeah. Because we just had 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.599 an episode about that. Awesome. That's right. 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.539 And I think I'm actually going to put this one 00:26:38.539 --> 00:26:42.519 out immediately after that. Cool. Just because 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:44.339 you've been an instructor there as well, but 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.880 I knew we were going to be sitting down for a 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.039 long talk, so we didn't talk there. But little 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:50.740 did you know, Kelly was off camera the whole 00:26:50.740 --> 00:26:55.259 time. And right there. Those are my rabbit ears. 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.319 I'm just kidding. How did you get involved with 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:03.500 that? Through Elizabeth Fravel. Yeah, she invited... 00:27:04.089 --> 00:27:07.869 Jillian and I, Jillian Canning, to go. We all 00:27:07.869 --> 00:27:10.250 play in a trio, the Dolce Trio, together, and 00:27:10.250 --> 00:27:13.170 she has been an instructor there for, I think, 00:27:13.170 --> 00:27:16.579 16 years. 16 years is what she said, yeah. I 00:27:16.579 --> 00:27:18.799 was just editing the episode last night, so it's 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.220 fresh. And we, I say we, the New 76ers, which 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:27.839 is my other trio, had played there probably 15 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.440 years ago. It was a long time ago. And we just 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.299 never went back. I think my daughter was probably 00:27:37.299 --> 00:27:43.390 five at the time. She's awesome, but she was 00:27:43.390 --> 00:27:46.829 a lot to wrangle as a five -year -old. No, we 00:27:46.829 --> 00:27:49.410 started talking about Israel, so we just had 00:27:49.410 --> 00:27:56.589 to skip right over that. So your daughter was 00:27:56.589 --> 00:28:00.049 a lot to wrangle. Yeah, so we just never got 00:28:00.049 --> 00:28:03.589 really involved when she was young, but she's 00:28:03.589 --> 00:28:06.289 older now, and so is my son. He's going to be 00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:10.130 13 in January. He doesn't like to go with me 00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:14.349 either to kids camp. It's hot. It's hot. Yeah, 00:28:14.410 --> 00:28:18.049 it is hot. I've been, and I love it, but it's 00:28:18.049 --> 00:28:22.410 also, they give you all the weekends. No one 00:28:22.410 --> 00:28:26.230 really wants. Yeah. Let's be real. I was going 00:28:26.230 --> 00:28:28.369 to put it a little bit more diplomatically, but 00:28:28.369 --> 00:28:31.470 that's fine. I was going to put it at the most 00:28:31.470 --> 00:28:33.630 cost -effective weekend. They put you all on 00:28:33.630 --> 00:28:36.269 the most cost -effective weekends. Yep. But they 00:28:36.269 --> 00:28:38.789 give us three a year, which is awesome. Yeah, 00:28:38.789 --> 00:28:42.309 yeah. And I've been there when it's super cold, 00:28:42.369 --> 00:28:44.829 too. It's not always super hot. Yeah. I've had 00:28:44.829 --> 00:28:48.299 to put a space heater in my tent before. I've 00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:50.539 been lucky, and I get to stay as an instructor 00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:52.619 in one of the houses. And the cabins are also 00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:55.039 super available during the camp. That's right. 00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.740 It's great. If anybody out there listening has 00:28:57.740 --> 00:29:05.839 kids ages like 4 to, I don't know, 17, that is 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:10.339 just to play. 6 to 16, but close enough. Okay, 00:29:10.339 --> 00:29:12.819 yeah. So you don't have to have any experience, 00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:14.980 really. They can just come, and it's so fun. 00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:18.410 And you've been teaching there for? Like a year 00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:21.650 and a half. This will be my second full year. 00:29:21.890 --> 00:29:24.930 Yeah. And everybody else I talk to has been doing 00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:28.670 it a super long time. So just as somebody who's 00:29:28.670 --> 00:29:31.670 coming into it new, what's your experience been 00:29:31.670 --> 00:29:36.950 like? Like family. Like just going to family. 00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:39.190 And you knew a lot of the people involved already. 00:29:39.269 --> 00:29:43.269 Yeah, I did. And like some of my friends who... 00:29:43.470 --> 00:29:46.109 we're going just every once in a while are like 00:29:46.109 --> 00:29:47.890 now they're like we're committed we're gonna 00:29:47.890 --> 00:29:51.329 go every time so that's really cool but some 00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:53.650 of the people I didn't know and I've made great 00:29:53.650 --> 00:29:56.630 friends that are now like in Valdosta or Jacksonville 00:29:56.630 --> 00:30:01.430 and to me it's like we can all just be kind and 00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:03.069 play music together it doesn't matter where we 00:30:03.069 --> 00:30:06.829 live or work or what we think or whatever Yeah. 00:30:06.829 --> 00:30:08.910 Yeah. It's just about the music and the kids. 00:30:09.069 --> 00:30:11.730 And then at the end of the weekend, we have this 00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:14.769 concert and they get to perform and they feel 00:30:14.769 --> 00:30:17.849 like awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We talked a lot about 00:30:17.849 --> 00:30:21.750 that, too. Yeah. So I want to go back to the 00:30:21.750 --> 00:30:24.269 New 76ers for a minute because that band has 00:30:24.269 --> 00:30:31.250 been around off and on for 20 years. Yeah. But 00:30:31.250 --> 00:30:33.529 the first question I got to ask you, Kelly, why 00:30:33.529 --> 00:30:42.279 do you hate drummers so much? Actually, that's 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.599 so funny that you say that. Because we used to 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.539 have a rule that we would not play after a band 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:52.900 with a drummer. It was like, sorry, we can't. 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:55.460 The vibe is going to just sink. It's going to 00:30:55.460 --> 00:31:01.359 go. It's not worth it. I don't know. I don't 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.920 know why. We've played with Rio a couple times. 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.039 He's played with us. I don't know. I think it's 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.299 just easy as a three -piece. What I'm commenting 00:31:10.299 --> 00:31:13.119 on is the fact that none of her bands that I'm 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:18.200 aware of have a drummer. Yeah, I didn't think 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.900 about that. I did have one band that had a drummer, 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.839 and that was awesome. It was called The Windfall, 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:28.579 and it was me and Danny and Scott Campbell and 00:31:28.579 --> 00:31:34.730 Coleman Mackey on bass, and then... Shit. Dave 00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:37.990 Kelsey on drums. Oh, Dave. I've known Dave a 00:31:37.990 --> 00:31:40.670 long time. Yeah. Yeah, his dad was one of my 00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:45.369 professors. Oh, sweet. And then his band, God, 00:31:45.509 --> 00:31:47.609 what was this? There was this band that I absolutely 00:31:47.609 --> 00:31:50.990 loved of his. Was it like the punk grass, like 00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:52.609 bluegrass? Yeah, what was the name of that? It 00:31:52.609 --> 00:31:56.349 was like Send Demons or? Me and the Devil. Me 00:31:56.349 --> 00:31:58.549 and the Devil. Yeah, that band fucking ruled. 00:31:58.829 --> 00:32:00.710 They were cool. That band fucking ruled. And 00:32:00.710 --> 00:32:05.079 I remember Dave broke his arm one time. And played 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.240 in a cast, one -armed. It was fucking awesome. 00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:11.980 I'm sure I remember. Dave is a badass. He's so 00:32:11.980 --> 00:32:14.960 cool. I miss Dave. So I feel like we figured 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.920 it out. Once you worked with Dave Kelsey, you 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.180 were just like, I've peaked on drummers. There's 00:32:20.180 --> 00:32:25.180 nowhere to go but down. But also... You play 00:32:25.180 --> 00:32:28.160 primarily acoustic music. Yeah, and a lot of 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.900 vocal -driven. And so just using, I guess... 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.000 that to drive the song rather than the beat and 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.119 sometimes too i don't want to be like it's one 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.660 more person but it's one more person we have 00:32:41.660 --> 00:32:44.900 this microphone that we use and it's great for 00:32:44.900 --> 00:32:46.880 acoustics but if we added a drummer in there 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.480 it'd be like what the fuck and to be fair it 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.880 only works great like in certain like situations 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.640 sure and for all the folks out there who love 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.039 drums next week i'll be talking to exclusively 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.859 drummers I'll be at a drumming competition. We'll 00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:06.339 make up for all the drum trash talking that we 00:33:06.339 --> 00:33:07.940 do. I'm not against drummers. I'm pro drums. 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.180 I love drums. I don't know. I'm starting to rumor 00:33:10.180 --> 00:33:12.339 that you hate drummers. No, I'm learning how 00:33:12.339 --> 00:33:14.900 to play the Irish drum right now. The modern. 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:16.940 Yeah. All right. Sweet. Who's teaching you how 00:33:16.940 --> 00:33:21.059 to do that? YouTube. Oh, okay. I ask because 00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:23.759 it sounded like something Seep would teach. Oh, 00:33:23.779 --> 00:33:27.200 maybe. Patty. Patty League. Do you know him? 00:33:28.349 --> 00:33:30.930 He teaches at FSU. He would, he knows how to 00:33:30.930 --> 00:33:33.329 play. I could probably get some lessons from 00:33:33.329 --> 00:33:35.630 him. He'd probably tell me, he'd say, well, you 00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:39.690 just go on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. Don't waste my 00:33:39.690 --> 00:33:48.609 time. Exactly. I have a lot to do. So when did 00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:54.269 you, you start, I want to back up a little bit 00:33:54.269 --> 00:33:56.549 actually, because I realized I missed a gap here. 00:33:56.789 --> 00:33:59.740 Okay. You go to Italy. You decide, I'm going 00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:02.500 to come back and start going to these open mics. 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.240 And then all of a sudden, you're in a band and 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.139 you're writing original songs. When did you first 00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:12.039 start writing songs? Was it because you were 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.760 in a band? Or did you start writing songs before 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:20.780 you started performing? Yes. I mean, it was the 00:34:20.780 --> 00:34:22.800 worst song ever. I'm not even going to try and 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:24.860 replicate it. But when I was in fifth grade, 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.440 me and my best friend came up with this song. 00:34:28.179 --> 00:34:29.659 Everybody's first song is the worst song ever. 00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:31.000 You don't have to qualify. Because my dad had 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.039 a guitar, and I was like, oh, look, I can play. 00:34:33.219 --> 00:34:35.340 And she was like, let's make a song. And it was 00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:39.739 like. I thought you said you weren't going to 00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:46.369 try. I did say that. I lied. But we played it 00:34:46.369 --> 00:34:49.469 for the whole music class because I had a great 00:34:49.469 --> 00:34:52.550 music teacher. And that was, I think, probably 00:34:52.550 --> 00:34:56.010 why I stopped writing. So you wrote that one 00:34:56.010 --> 00:34:58.050 song and then you stopped writing? Yeah, I really 00:34:58.050 --> 00:35:00.630 didn't write much after that. And when did you 00:35:00.630 --> 00:35:04.309 start writing songs on a regular basis? Like 00:35:04.309 --> 00:35:09.570 23, 24. So you were writing songs but too scared 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:11.670 to play them out and then you went to Italy. 00:35:12.829 --> 00:35:14.750 No, I went to Italy first. You went to Italy 00:35:14.750 --> 00:35:16.909 first. Okay, I'm sorry. For some reason, I thought 00:35:16.909 --> 00:35:18.889 you said you were 25 when you went to Italy. 00:35:18.949 --> 00:35:20.510 I think you said you were 25 when you formed 00:35:20.510 --> 00:35:22.670 your... Played my first gig. First gig, okay. 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:25.030 At Clyde's and Costello's. So you had been writing 00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:26.949 songs, though, before you played your first gig. 00:35:27.050 --> 00:35:29.210 Did you play any of those songs your first gig, 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.110 or did you only play covers? I don't remember. 00:35:32.849 --> 00:35:34.130 The reason I'm asking is like... It should be 00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:36.789 memorable. I do remember that Danny was there, 00:35:36.829 --> 00:35:39.420 and I was like, aw. He likes me. No, he doesn't. 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.059 Because he had a girlfriend, but I was like, 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.400 oh, he's... Anyway, sorry. No, I think that's 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.880 important because he's been a big part of your 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.960 musical life. Yeah, sure. And your creative life, 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.800 as well as your life. I think it's... Do you 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.179 remember... Did you and Danny just first connect 00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:57.340 over music? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I met him 00:35:57.340 --> 00:36:01.590 at the warehouse, also open mic. And he had a 00:36:01.590 --> 00:36:04.869 band, at the time it was called Tanglewood, and 00:36:04.869 --> 00:36:07.250 they later changed it to Stillwood because they 00:36:07.250 --> 00:36:10.230 got sued by the Boston Symphony Orchestra. They're 00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:12.769 like, you can't use the name Tanglewood anywhere. 00:36:14.309 --> 00:36:16.750 So they were like, okay, fine, but we're Stillwood. 00:36:17.250 --> 00:36:23.250 Oh. I remember Stillwood. Yeah. That's a funny 00:36:23.250 --> 00:36:27.710 origin to the name. I just recently had a band. 00:36:28.349 --> 00:36:31.369 Two members of a band called The Arcs on who 00:36:31.369 --> 00:36:34.389 Dan Auerbach's latest group is now called The 00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:37.250 Arcs. And they like worked it all out and everything 00:36:37.250 --> 00:36:39.429 was cool. So fuck the Boston Symphony Orchestra. 00:36:40.090 --> 00:36:43.019 Yeah. I'm just saying. There's ways to work it 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.059 out and everybody's okay. There really is. Just 00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:49.239 don't come play in Boston. Come on. They won't 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.579 even serve two beers at a time. How many Mel's 00:36:51.579 --> 00:36:54.159 Diners have there been? How many Mel's have opened 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.159 diners? All over the place. Monks got sued. There 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.099 was this place called Monks and they got sued. 00:37:00.260 --> 00:37:02.340 What? Yeah, and they had to change to Wells Brothers 00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:07.820 because there's a Monks in Chicago. Yeah, anyway. 00:37:08.799 --> 00:37:11.219 We're getting off track. No, here's the thing, 00:37:11.300 --> 00:37:13.519 though. The common theme on this podcast. Today, 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.920 I was diagnosed. I was told after I'd taken the 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.780 test, I was confirmed that I have ADHD. And I 00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:23.940 was like, thank fuck I do. But now I know. Well, 00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:29.940 welcome to the club, Kelly. Hell yeah. Try to 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:32.719 keep me on track. We all find each other, whether 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.460 we've been diagnosed or not. It's true. And I 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:39.440 believe fully that we are all on some spectrum. 00:37:40.059 --> 00:37:42.699 Whether you're over here or... I just think we 00:37:42.699 --> 00:37:45.380 all are. Humanity is a spectrum. Yeah, exactly. 00:37:45.699 --> 00:37:49.219 So don't be a dick. We just went off for 10 minutes. 00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:53.780 No, but I think it's actually important because 00:37:53.780 --> 00:37:58.679 a common theme among almost every interview that 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.519 I've had on here is that corporate greed is usually... 00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:08.460 the thing to blame for all of the bullshit. Yeah. 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.579 And you, especially the bullshit when it comes 00:38:10.579 --> 00:38:13.059 to arts, but like all of it really pretty much 00:38:13.059 --> 00:38:15.659 every industry that you can think of has been 00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:18.639 created so that somebody can get rich literally. 00:38:18.980 --> 00:38:22.320 And that's capitalism, but like late stage capitalism 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:30.179 is a bitch. Yeah. But I, I, I wonder I, this 00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:35.280 is not like a politics podcast, but When I speak 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.239 to somebody whose music is very political, we're 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.719 going to talk about it a little bit, right? It's 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.159 not like I try to hide my views, and I certainly 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.380 wouldn't be platforming people that are hateful 00:38:47.380 --> 00:38:52.500 or anything like that. My question is, how over 00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:57.079 the last 20 years from when you started in the 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:01.320 scene of music, how important is having shared 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.840 views become? when it comes to collaborating 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.159 with musicians because I imagine 20 years ago 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.940 it was probably a lot easier to collaborate with 00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:11.119 people that that didn't agree with you on politically 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.219 yeah even if you were doing political music right 00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:20.000 yeah I don't know I think just like in general 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.719 personally I try to avoid people that I'm just 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.920 like there's just a level where I'm like I can't 00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:32.210 Excuse that. I'm sorry. I won't be a jerk about 00:39:32.210 --> 00:39:38.210 it. It's cool. I probably wouldn't work with 00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:40.809 them either way. I've never been put in that 00:39:40.809 --> 00:39:44.849 situation. Actually, that's not true. In my job. 00:39:45.349 --> 00:39:47.909 In my day job. That's a little different. It's 00:39:47.909 --> 00:39:52.750 not a creative endeavor. I think it's important 00:39:52.750 --> 00:39:55.400 to be able to work with people you don't. see 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.679 eye to eye with in those types of situations. 00:39:57.940 --> 00:40:01.380 And you might work at a club where the owner 00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:06.239 is not whatever, but when it comes to collaborating 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.519 musically, maybe not. I don't know what club 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:11.539 you're talking about. There's a specific one. 00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:13.480 I don't play there. Name names. I don't give 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:17.360 a fuck. The Jam. Or the House of Music. Oh, House 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:21.579 of Music? Yeah, I don't agree with the politics. 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.840 It's a beautiful room. It could be more, but... 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:30.659 Yeah, no, I mean, it's... I've never seen a memorable 00:40:30.659 --> 00:40:35.179 show there. Yeah. I'll leave it at that. I can 00:40:35.179 --> 00:40:36.800 think of one, but it was Catherine's memorial. 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.860 Or, like, her last show. That was the only one. 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.800 Sure, yeah. Her memorial was at the Legion, but... 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.820 That's right. Yeah, but she was still... There 00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:48.920 was, like, a fundraiser for her. Oh, I see. Before 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.440 she passed. I somehow did not... And that was 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:56.889 the last... Was not aware of that. Anyway. And 00:40:56.889 --> 00:40:59.409 we've talked about Catherine a lot on this podcast 00:40:59.409 --> 00:41:02.230 before, too. So Elizabeth has talked about her 00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:04.230 and the folk opera and everything that's come 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:06.630 in. But she was a big part of your musical life. 00:41:06.769 --> 00:41:10.869 I'm going to try and reconstruct where we are 00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:14.750 so far and get back on track. Because we do keep, 00:41:14.909 --> 00:41:17.789 we are, this is squirrels chasing squirrels here. 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:22.980 And it's not just you. Don't worry. Okay, cool. 00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:26.460 Yeah, I know. I'm like, what? I'm just kidding. 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.619 So you're writing songs, but you're not playing 00:41:30.619 --> 00:41:32.940 them. And then you play your first show at 25. 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.400 And Danny's there. He comes to support. When 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.260 do y 'all form a band? Do y 'all start dating 00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:42.199 before you form a band? Or do you form a band 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.239 before you start dating? Yes, we started dating. 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.539 Okay. And then he joined the band, basically. 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.699 And he joined? He joined Blue Moon. Okay, okay. 00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:54.219 Yeah. We were all friends, though. Like, we all 00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:56.920 hung out at the warehouse on the open mic night 00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.820 and knew each other and would pick on the porch, 00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:03.099 that kind of thing. But that was, yeah, when 00:42:03.099 --> 00:42:06.000 we started dating, that's when he joined. Gotcha. 00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:09.079 Yep. And then my brother joined after that. And 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.840 then you kicked everybody else out? No, actually, 00:42:11.980 --> 00:42:15.860 what happened was... Because New 76ers, as it 00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:18.199 stands now, is your brother, you, and Danny. 00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:21.619 Yep, and it was from that, like when Blue Moon 00:42:21.619 --> 00:42:25.940 basically lost our gig at Posey's because it 00:42:25.940 --> 00:42:28.400 got washed away. You had like a residency type 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.420 thing there? It was like once a month or something. 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.340 Like we didn't, we really didn't play out. We 00:42:33.340 --> 00:42:35.760 just play on the porch and we play at Posey's. 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.500 That's it. They fed us and they let us drink 00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:44.409 for free. For four hours. We have a four -hour 00:42:44.409 --> 00:42:47.269 time slot. Can I get one of those, too? Oh, thank 00:42:47.269 --> 00:42:51.449 you. Yeah, so Blue Moon, we stopped playing at 00:42:51.449 --> 00:42:54.429 Posey's because of Hurricane Dennis came through, 00:42:54.530 --> 00:42:57.190 and it took out a lot. It took out that whole 00:42:57.190 --> 00:42:59.409 restaurant. That was a long time ago. It was, 00:42:59.570 --> 00:43:01.889 yeah. And so Blue Moon stops playing. You formed 00:43:01.889 --> 00:43:04.929 the New 76ers. Yeah. And how many records has 00:43:04.929 --> 00:43:08.750 the New 76ers put out over the years? So we have... 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:16.760 Two full length and then two or three EPs. And 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.619 then we've been on some other compilations and 00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:22.719 supported Grant Peoples on some of his stuff. 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:27.280 So do you remember some of the songs that you 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.579 were playing back in that time period? Do you 00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:31.260 want to play one? Yeah, I still play them still. 00:43:31.539 --> 00:43:33.940 Not all the time, but yeah. Let's hear one. Okay. 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.280 Do you want to talk about it first a little bit? 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.000 Sure. I'll talk about it. It's called To Be Young. 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.500 And I wrote it in an elevator. And then I was 00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:44.639 like, I better write this down before it's gone. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.239 It's called To Be Young. And it's just at the 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.679 time, I didn't feel very young. I had young children. 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.980 And I was like always, I'm still always tired. 00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:00.619 But I was really tired then. And so it was just 00:44:00.619 --> 00:44:06.119 kind of like daydreaming about. You know, youth 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:36.570 well spent, I think. So here it goes. To be young. 00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:49.369 Oh, to be young. There's too much going on. I'm 00:44:49.369 --> 00:44:55.630 just breezing by. Time's never cut short. I can't 00:44:55.630 --> 00:45:03.289 watch it fly. Oh, watch it fly. Then I'll say 00:45:03.289 --> 00:47:00.840 goodbye. to be Hell yeah. So, first question 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.800 I have about that song. It seems like it might 00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.039 mean more to you now than when you wrote it. 00:47:06.739 --> 00:47:10.639 Maybe you relate to it more now. Yeah, maybe. 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.840 I don't know. I sing it different this time. 00:47:15.019 --> 00:47:17.840 It was a little bit slower. A little bit slower, 00:47:17.980 --> 00:47:21.780 so whenever I play slower or sing a little slower, 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:26.559 I can get into the notes more. I got you. But 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:31.659 that's one of my favorite songs I've ever written, 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:36.940 for sure. It captures just that period in time 00:47:36.940 --> 00:47:41.860 that is really sweet and special. But also, it's 00:47:41.860 --> 00:47:45.880 life. It's just, yeah. And if it's going to fuck 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.820 you up, I'm not going to let it bring me down 00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:51.900 forever. You've got to get back up. I think overall, 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.630 that is an overarching... Theme in my songs is 00:47:55.630 --> 00:48:03.090 hope and love. What keeps you hopeful? The kids. 00:48:04.690 --> 00:48:08.309 All the kids. Even when you see their noses buried 00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:13.670 in their phones. Are you worried? Yeah. What 00:48:13.670 --> 00:48:16.789 they might see? There's some crazy shit out there. 00:48:16.949 --> 00:48:20.690 I feel like our youth has been hijacked by billionaires. 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.480 They're all slaves to their devices. Yeah. And 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.599 we are too, but they always have been. They don't 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.360 know. They don't know any different. A life without 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.739 an iPhone. My son does not know a life without 00:48:32.739 --> 00:48:35.219 an iPhone. And we're both in this age period 00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:39.059 where we remember before the internet, but we 00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:42.880 also are young enough to where the internet wasn't 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.980 this new fandangled thing that we didn't understand. 00:48:46.059 --> 00:48:50.000 We were very online too. That's true. What have 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.659 you seen change in the music industry online 00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:58.159 other than like the obvious stuff that we've 00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.760 all seen? What have you seen like as an artist, 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.079 as an artist that's more on the local level, 00:49:05.179 --> 00:49:06.820 right? And I'm thinking about things like when 00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:09.119 back in the day, Facebook, it was like free advertising 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:13.860 for people like you and me. Yes, still is. But 00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:17.500 like less users. They hide it. They hide that 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:20.059 stuff unless you pay for ads. Yeah. So, like, 00:49:20.139 --> 00:49:23.239 I'm sure you've probably noticed, like, a large 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.900 dip in response to things like events. Yep, that's 00:49:25.900 --> 00:49:27.960 true. Over the last five years. Yeah. And the 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.159 days of, like, free advertising on Facebook are 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.559 really over. We remember a time without the internet. 00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:38.940 Yeah. Like, we used to go out and play. All damn 00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:41.219 day. Yeah, even, like, when we weren't kids. 00:49:41.420 --> 00:49:45.280 I would ride my bike as an adult, even. And it's 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.539 like slowly, it's like I can look back and it's 00:49:47.539 --> 00:49:51.460 like slowly chipped away at all of these things 00:49:51.460 --> 00:49:56.599 and they've commodified everything, right? You 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.480 can't just do any, even hobbies are commodified 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.000 now, right? It's true. Everything. And it's, 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:11.690 this all started with. I asked you what keeps 00:50:11.690 --> 00:50:13.969 you hopeful, and then you're like the kids, and 00:50:13.969 --> 00:50:19.409 I'm like, no! They're not okay! There's nothing 00:50:19.409 --> 00:50:22.050 to be hopeful there! No, but that's not true, 00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:24.929 though. No, I agree. But it's not their fault. 00:50:25.269 --> 00:50:28.570 No, I'm not saying that the kids don't have a 00:50:28.570 --> 00:50:33.219 lot of... Listen, we all got a lot of work to 00:50:33.219 --> 00:50:36.199 do to try and make things right. Yeah. Because 00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.079 I think there's that quote. I love it so much. 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:46.239 It's not Toni Morrison. Oh, my God. I don't know 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.239 if it's her name. I know why I cage bird things. 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.099 You know what I'm talking about? Fuck. Anyway, 00:50:54.219 --> 00:50:57.239 the quote is, do the best you can until you know 00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.139 better. And when you know better, do better. 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.619 And I have that quote on my desk and I love it 00:51:02.619 --> 00:51:06.280 because it's like, you can't, you're not really 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.380 responsible for the shit you get taught. But 00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:12.219 once you are taught or shown a way that is okay, 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.840 like we don't hate, everybody can agree on that. 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:18.980 Even Christians, even Christian nationalists. 00:51:18.980 --> 00:51:22.380 Wait, no, sorry. Their main leader just said 00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:25.900 that they can't hate their enemies. Sorry. Just 00:51:25.900 --> 00:51:28.880 kidding. Okay, but most Christians agree you 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.940 shouldn't hate other people. I think that any 00:51:31.940 --> 00:51:33.800 Christian that's not a socialist isn't a real 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.679 Christian, so I'll just leave it at that. That's 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:37.820 the thing, right? It's like taking responsibility, 00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:42.699 and I was taught that. I was taught that, and 00:51:42.699 --> 00:51:47.539 it's weird now because I have family that reinforce 00:51:47.539 --> 00:51:51.659 those ideas, and we see so differently in terms 00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:55.460 of how things should go. Or like who's okay to 00:51:55.460 --> 00:52:00.099 belong. But most of the time that I find, and 00:52:00.099 --> 00:52:03.800 this is why people are like, oh, you should surround 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:05.619 yourself with people that disagree with you and 00:52:05.619 --> 00:52:08.099 not isolate yourself. And I agree with that. 00:52:08.619 --> 00:52:12.219 But the limit for me is when you have people 00:52:12.219 --> 00:52:15.119 making bad faith arguments. And that has become 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.889 the norm. They don't have to be idiots. They 00:52:17.889 --> 00:52:20.289 can disagree, but they don't have to be like, 00:52:20.409 --> 00:52:22.730 cause. And that's the thing is it comes down 00:52:22.730 --> 00:52:25.429 to misinformation. Now more, pretty much every 00:52:25.429 --> 00:52:27.769 single time. It's just like the misinformation 00:52:27.769 --> 00:52:30.889 is what's driving their narrative. Yeah. And 00:52:30.889 --> 00:52:33.750 I do worry about that on my side too. Sometimes 00:52:33.750 --> 00:52:37.489 I'm like, did I get the whole story? Do I actually 00:52:37.489 --> 00:52:40.780 know? The Democrats have been like. Democrats, 00:52:40.780 --> 00:52:44.019 they're not just as guilty as the right, because 00:52:44.019 --> 00:52:51.960 they will still try to use minorities and struggling 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.559 people as pawns by fighting for their rights 00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.099 instead of trying to take them away. Still just 00:52:58.099 --> 00:53:00.219 using them as pawns. They don't actually, because 00:53:00.219 --> 00:53:04.519 the only way to actually fix the problems in 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.199 America are to disrupt the interests of capital. 00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:10.519 And Democrats won't do that. Yeah, but people 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:14.260 can grow food. Even gardening is commodified. 00:53:15.099 --> 00:53:22.360 Everything was owned by some corporation at some 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.699 point. Don't get me wrong. There's ways to avoid 00:53:25.699 --> 00:53:29.159 that. It's a lot of work that most people aren't 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.840 willing to put in. And then that's the thing. 00:53:31.940 --> 00:53:35.579 So what then? If nobody is willing to put the 00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:38.739 work in, then what happens? What happens to the... 00:53:40.670 --> 00:53:44.710 Organization. Do we deserve to be saved? My family's 00:53:44.710 --> 00:53:47.590 going to love this. The climate that we're in 00:53:47.590 --> 00:53:49.250 right now makes it really hard for us to not 00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:51.150 talk about some of these things. But I'm also 00:53:51.150 --> 00:53:56.849 like, I really want to talk about you and your 00:53:56.849 --> 00:54:00.130 experiences. Okay. Let's get back to that, though. 00:54:00.130 --> 00:54:03.690 Let's get to that. But I also understand that's 00:54:03.690 --> 00:54:08.230 not really separable for you. Yeah. I wish it 00:54:08.230 --> 00:54:11.429 was. And that's why I'm like, I'm saying this 00:54:11.429 --> 00:54:13.929 to bring it all back together. To be like. Yeah. 00:54:15.269 --> 00:54:18.429 As much as you can't not talk about it. What 00:54:18.429 --> 00:54:20.730 I do is I go write it. And I think you can too. 00:54:20.909 --> 00:54:23.210 Yeah. Because you go write a song. Yeah. I go 00:54:23.210 --> 00:54:27.070 write a joke. Yeah. But I think. What I guess 00:54:27.070 --> 00:54:34.250 I'm getting at is. The way I see. All of this 00:54:34.250 --> 00:54:39.010 has played out is. The corporatization of America 00:54:39.010 --> 00:54:45.010 and the kids are the worst victims of it. 100%. 00:54:45.010 --> 00:54:52.050 I 100 % agree. And that's where I find it really 00:54:52.050 --> 00:54:55.250 hard to be hopeful for them. And not of any fault 00:54:55.250 --> 00:54:58.329 of their own. Partially our fault, right? Like 00:54:58.329 --> 00:55:01.010 we gave them iPads at whatever age and all that 00:55:01.010 --> 00:55:03.690 shit. But here's the thing. Here's the beautiful 00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:06.469 thing that I do know about the human brain. It 00:55:06.469 --> 00:55:10.510 is always open. It's resilient and it's open 00:55:10.510 --> 00:55:13.409 to changing. You can literally train your brain 00:55:13.409 --> 00:55:16.849 how to learn guitar at 25. But you have to want 00:55:16.849 --> 00:55:19.969 to. You have to want to. You have to want to. 00:55:20.110 --> 00:55:22.650 You have to want all those things. It's work. 00:55:22.829 --> 00:55:25.210 It's like work. And I think that kind of can 00:55:25.210 --> 00:55:29.619 bring us to our exit ramp on the politics. We're 00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:32.380 dealing with the most incompetent fascists ever. 00:55:32.900 --> 00:55:38.059 And they can get all these little bullshit cultural 00:55:38.059 --> 00:55:42.659 victories here and there. And it like gives blood 00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.699 to their base ever. But they're still not improving 00:55:45.699 --> 00:55:48.619 the material conditions of anybody in this country. 00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:51.679 No. And so eventually... In fact, they're taking 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.139 a lot of it. They're making it worse for everybody, 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.199 including their base. Because let's be honest, 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.300 who doesn't love a fucking shopping spree? Like, 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.480 who doesn't? It's so fun! I love going to the 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.639 doctor and it being free. They're not improving 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:07.719 the material conditions of anyone in this country. 00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:13.420 No, definitely not. And eventually, like... Someone's 00:56:13.420 --> 00:56:16.679 going to be. I don't even mean eventually. It's 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.780 already happening. It's coming to a head. When 00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:21.559 did you start writing political songs? Probably 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.340 as soon as early. It's pretty much right around 00:56:25.340 --> 00:56:30.400 the time. I think the most political song or 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.800 the earliest one that I wrote was What the Wind 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:38.019 Said. It's off of the new 76ers CD called Super 00:56:38.019 --> 00:56:43.599 Highway. It's our first release. I wrote that 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:47.940 while working out at Mission San Luis. And it 00:56:47.940 --> 00:56:53.480 was during Bush W., during his term. But each, 00:56:53.619 --> 00:56:56.940 like, when there's a line that was like, they 00:56:56.940 --> 00:57:01.260 rule by fear, put him back in his chair, like 00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:05.480 no one sees and no one really cares. And so that 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:10.050 was a line for... And then when Trump came in 00:57:10.050 --> 00:57:14.849 the first time, I rewrote that line to say, they 00:57:14.849 --> 00:57:18.469 rule by fear and put a wig in that chair because 00:57:18.469 --> 00:57:22.949 of his grandiose toupee. And I haven't rewrote 00:57:22.949 --> 00:57:24.949 it this time, but that was the first one that 00:57:24.949 --> 00:57:30.010 I wrote. And I love it. It's like one that still 00:57:30.010 --> 00:57:33.820 speaks to me. It's very much about just. decimating 00:57:33.820 --> 00:57:37.280 the earth. And it's, I had a friend who worked 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.860 with me at the time. His name was rabbit. And 00:57:39.860 --> 00:57:42.559 he was given that name from a Cherokee chief. 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.960 This guy was, this was like in a native American 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.159 ceremony was gifted. This name rabbit told me 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.920 he was like, listen to the wind. That's like 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.199 the birds and the wind and the trees is it will 00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.280 talk to you. If you like, listen to it, it carries 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.190 like messages on the wind. And I always loved 00:58:02.190 --> 00:58:06.550 that idea. So what the wind said is what I wrote 00:58:06.550 --> 00:58:11.289 about. So the Tennessee River runs through Florence, 00:58:11.309 --> 00:58:16.489 Alabama and Muscle Shoals and that whole area. 00:58:16.610 --> 00:58:22.429 And the Native Americans there said that the 00:58:22.429 --> 00:58:26.969 river would sing. Always writing political songs, 00:58:27.090 --> 00:58:32.659 I think. Do you? When you put out a record, do 00:58:32.659 --> 00:58:38.900 you have goals of it blowing up or getting popular? 00:58:39.340 --> 00:58:42.840 Or are you just putting it out there? Yeah. At 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.760 this point in my life, I am. But at one point, 00:58:45.820 --> 00:58:48.059 do you think you were? Maybe. I think when I 00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:53.869 was younger. Did you tour? No. Never. Only once. 00:58:54.010 --> 00:58:56.829 Yeah. We only toured once. Let's talk about that. 00:58:56.829 --> 00:59:01.469 But I had a two -year -old at home and a ten 00:59:01.469 --> 00:59:05.030 -year -old. And my mom was stuck with them for 00:59:05.030 --> 00:59:06.449 a week. And she was like, you're never doing 00:59:06.449 --> 00:59:11.690 this again. And I was like, you're right. It 00:59:11.690 --> 00:59:15.210 sucks, man. We didn't have a fucking tour bus 00:59:15.210 --> 00:59:30.860 with a driver or a chef. The tour bus I can get 00:59:30.860 --> 00:59:34.380 behind. The chef seems a little... Bougie? I'm 00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:37.059 not even sure Jason Isbell has a chef on tour 00:59:37.059 --> 00:59:42.920 with him. Dude, maybe not because he has a bus 00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.690 with probably a full kitchen and shit. Maybe 00:59:45.690 --> 00:59:48.289 he can cook on there. I don't know. But it was 00:59:48.289 --> 00:59:52.909 just a week and it was like, I had to stay in 00:59:52.909 --> 00:59:56.670 the room with my brother and my, he's my husband 00:59:56.670 --> 00:59:59.889 now, but he loves when I call him that too. Especially 00:59:59.889 --> 01:00:12.630 on podcasts. At what point did you start? branching 01:00:12.630 --> 01:00:16.710 out from the new 76ers into other bands and because 01:00:16.710 --> 01:00:19.389 because that band has been off and on for a long 01:00:19.389 --> 01:00:21.909 time whether you and danny were together or not 01:00:21.909 --> 01:00:24.710 yeah yeah so at what point did you start branching 01:00:24.710 --> 01:00:26.570 out because that was kind of your main vehicle 01:00:26.570 --> 01:00:30.429 for a long time for yeah most of the 20 years 01:00:30.429 --> 01:00:34.449 or i would say 17 years that i was like in fully 01:00:34.449 --> 01:00:39.360 married in a relationship And we toured. I say 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.179 we toured. We did tour. We would go like on little 01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:45.340 trips like to St. Augustine or like Panama City 01:00:45.340 --> 01:00:49.800 for the weekend or like St. Pete, Tampa, that 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:56.000 area, mostly in Florida. But. I guess it was 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.920 around 2020. It was like basically when we separated 01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:01.679 and I was like, I don't want to play music with 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.239 you right now. We need some time away from each 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:08.500 other. And I know he felt the same way. Is that 01:01:08.500 --> 01:01:11.179 when the Dolce Trio formed? Yeah, yeah. Elizabeth 01:01:11.179 --> 01:01:14.320 and Jillian and I just got together on the porch 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.599 just to hang out. And we had never played music 01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.760 together, but I had wanted to play music with 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.679 somebody. Somebody new. I was like, looking for 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.699 new people, new friends, or I'd known them for 01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:32.219 a long time. We never, like, connected like that. 01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:35.199 And when we sat down on the porch, we would, 01:01:35.219 --> 01:01:37.619 after a beer or a glass of wine or something, 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.599 and just take turns doing songs. And we just, 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:49.699 it was like, it was therapy. It was, like, comradeship, 01:01:49.699 --> 01:01:53.050 sisterhood. We all three have daughters about 01:01:53.050 --> 01:01:57.269 the same age. So, yeah, it's been lovely. Do 01:01:57.269 --> 01:01:59.090 you all have plans to record, or are you recording 01:01:59.090 --> 01:02:02.789 now? We are not recording now, but I'm currently 01:02:02.789 --> 01:02:05.690 working on a solo project that I started last 01:02:05.690 --> 01:02:09.650 August with Gatorbone Records down in Keystone 01:02:09.650 --> 01:02:16.869 Heights. And the new 76ers are going back Tuesday 01:02:16.869 --> 01:02:20.800 and Thursday of next week to... cut more vocals 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.940 on our third full length record. Cool. Yeah. 01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:26.639 Can we talk, and we can wrap things up here, 01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:30.440 but can we talk a little bit about what it was 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.960 like and how the dynamics have changed from when 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.460 you took that hiatus and you took some time off, 01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:40.159 you and Danny playing together and how the dynamics 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.659 have changed, how, and musically more than anything, 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.099 right? Like in the songwriting, I would assume 01:02:46.099 --> 01:02:48.219 that they're not the same as they were when y 01:02:48.219 --> 01:02:52.380 'all were married. but maybe they are but the 01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:55.840 collaboration the yeah and then also just like 01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.820 how like why was that even like a priority necessarily 01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:02.659 i feel like a lot of people what was the priority 01:03:02.659 --> 01:03:05.860 getting like getting back together as a band 01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:08.289 because i feel like a lot of people would be 01:03:08.289 --> 01:03:10.650 like, oh, the marriage is over, so is the band. 01:03:11.070 --> 01:03:14.730 Yeah, probably. And so can you just talk a little 01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:18.050 bit about what went into all that and the decisions 01:03:18.050 --> 01:03:20.690 to put out a new record and everything? Yeah, 01:03:20.690 --> 01:03:25.809 okay. Any relationship goes. There's seasons, 01:03:25.929 --> 01:03:31.369 right? And so when we made the decision to separate 01:03:31.369 --> 01:03:35.329 and definitely divorce, I... It's always been 01:03:35.329 --> 01:03:38.969 really important to both of us to remain as amicable 01:03:38.969 --> 01:03:42.650 as we can. And there's deep love there and respect, 01:03:42.909 --> 01:03:47.769 primarily. And I don't think he wanted to either 01:03:47.769 --> 01:03:52.650 do anything to like... Burn bridges. Yes, make 01:03:52.650 --> 01:03:55.349 it so we can't be around our kids together. It 01:03:55.349 --> 01:03:57.670 was important that... And we had really good 01:03:57.670 --> 01:04:01.570 examples, actually. His mom and stepdad split 01:04:01.570 --> 01:04:05.769 up, but... remained cohesive and so that was 01:04:05.769 --> 01:04:09.869 always like an option for me it was like we could 01:04:09.869 --> 01:04:13.110 do that and for a long time I didn't think I 01:04:13.110 --> 01:04:16.550 could but recently I'm I like invited his girlfriend 01:04:16.550 --> 01:04:19.409 and her kids over and like we were all hanging 01:04:19.409 --> 01:04:24.139 out and it was like this beautiful that my kids 01:04:24.139 --> 01:04:26.280 were happy with and her kids were happy with. 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.039 Is that how the band started to get back together? 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.360 No, not really. This is more recent. Sorry, I'll 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.860 check. But the band never really wanted it to 01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:43.630 go away. That was always something. I guess I 01:04:43.630 --> 01:04:46.150 didn't want to get too far down this road of 01:04:46.150 --> 01:04:49.570 resentment or anger or whatever that we couldn't 01:04:49.570 --> 01:04:52.309 go back to a musical place. Gotcha. Because that, 01:04:52.469 --> 01:04:56.670 I don't know what it is, but we all three of 01:04:56.670 --> 01:04:59.570 us agree it's something really special and sacred 01:04:59.570 --> 01:05:04.929 to the three of us. Yeah, yeah. That I think 01:05:04.929 --> 01:05:09.630 we will just always be linked in that way. I 01:05:09.630 --> 01:05:11.869 think that is the main thing is like none of 01:05:11.869 --> 01:05:14.909 us really want that to go away. At some point 01:05:14.909 --> 01:05:17.449 it will. At some point. Yeah, everything does. 01:05:17.610 --> 01:05:21.010 Yeah. So now it's just a little bit different. 01:05:21.050 --> 01:05:23.949 There's not quite as much collaboration. Like 01:05:23.949 --> 01:05:26.349 we would write songs together, Danny and I. Yeah. 01:05:26.349 --> 01:05:28.650 But we don't do that as much now. It's more like 01:05:28.650 --> 01:05:30.710 you'll come in with an idea and you might add 01:05:30.710 --> 01:05:32.269 things to each other's songs. Exactly. But you're 01:05:32.269 --> 01:05:34.190 not sitting down and writing a song together. 01:05:34.250 --> 01:05:37.199 Yeah. Do you have a song that you're going to 01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.800 put on the new record you'd like to close us 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:46.579 out with? Yeah, I do. All right, cool. It's been 01:05:46.579 --> 01:05:48.219 awesome talking to you, Kelly. Thanks for being 01:05:48.219 --> 01:05:51.860 here. Thank you for indulging me in all my neural 01:05:51.860 --> 01:05:56.900 pathway diversions. Yeah, that it's natural. 01:05:57.340 --> 01:05:59.840 Take us out, Kelly. All right, so this song is, 01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:04.440 as I said, like one of the... Some of the biggest 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.699 themes I have are hope and love in my music, 01:06:08.019 --> 01:06:13.880 and this one is all about love and how I believe 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:18.500 it will, like, help us just see a little bit, 01:06:18.579 --> 01:06:42.019 like, tomorrow be a little more rosy. question 01:06:42.019 --> 01:06:49.019 you're too scared to ask yourself see i've been 01:06:49.019 --> 01:10:15.670 running scared I believe it. Thanks, man. That 01:10:15.670 --> 01:10:22.810 was my conversation with Kelly Goddard. I think 01:10:22.810 --> 01:10:26.189 we had just an awesome time. I hope you enjoyed 01:10:26.189 --> 01:10:27.930 listening to it. I hope you enjoyed her songs. 01:10:29.729 --> 01:10:33.390 Next week, I'm going to Pyramid Studios for their 01:10:33.390 --> 01:10:36.630 Grooves for Good drumming competition. I'm talking 01:10:36.630 --> 01:10:41.090 to... organizers at Pyramid Studios. It's a nonprofit 01:10:41.090 --> 01:10:45.590 that helps developmentally disabled people create 01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:49.430 art that they can then sell as an alternate to 01:10:49.430 --> 01:10:53.329 a traditional line of work. So it's a really 01:10:53.329 --> 01:10:55.689 cool organization. They had a drumming competition. 01:10:55.890 --> 01:10:58.890 I spoke to several of the contestants, several 01:10:58.890 --> 01:11:01.729 of the organizers. It's a really cool episode. 01:11:02.489 --> 01:11:05.850 I'm looking forward to y 'all hearing it. In 01:11:05.850 --> 01:11:08.310 a couple of weeks, we got... Taylor Hollingsworth 01:11:08.310 --> 01:11:12.270 on the show. I spoke to him last night right 01:11:12.270 --> 01:11:19.229 before his show at the Blue Tavern. And we had 01:11:19.229 --> 01:11:21.729 a great conversation. 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