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Welcome to overeducated and underemployed. Fedden

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here. Got a cool episode today with Kevin Lane

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from the Arcs. The Lanes. And a band called The

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Possibilities who we have talked about here before

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Jay Gonzalez was in that band. Their album Way

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Out is a killer record. The Arcs got an album

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coming out this weekend. Make sure you go to

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their party. If you're in the Athens area, it's

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at nowhere bar. Jay Gonzalez is opening. She,

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he, he is opening. Jay Gonzalez has his full

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band opening the show. And of course the arc

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says last week's guest, Ben Spraker, as well

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as this week's guest, Kevin Lane had a great

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talk with him. I'm not going to waste any more

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of your time before just diving into the interview

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this week. So without further ado, here's my

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talk with Kevin Lane. So I'm here with Kevin

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Lane. This is overeducated and underemployed.

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Here with Kevin Lane, who I don't even know where

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to start. He's in a band with an album coming

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out soon called The Arcs. Yep. He was in a band

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called The Possibilities for a long time. He

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is in Sloan Brothers, works with Sloan Brothers,

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recorded with Sloan Brothers. Sloan is a good

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friend of the podcast. He actually did the theme

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song for the podcast, composed and recorded it

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for us. Cool. The Lanes. The Lanes have a record

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coming out as well. So, yeah, two records coming

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out. You worked at the Caledonia Lounge for several

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years. I did. I'm trying to give a brief overview

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to all the different things. I want to talk about

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all these things in depth at some point, but

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I'm going to ask you the first question I ask

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everybody, and that's, What's the first song

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that you remember loving as a kid? Probably Elton

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John, Little Genie. I still have the little 45

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with my five -year -old writing on it. It says

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Kevin in five -year -old handwriting. That's

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fucking awesome. I still have it, yeah. Probably

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that. I remember Paul McCartney coming up. I

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had that 45 as well. Yeah, those two come to

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mind. Oh, also. Casey and the Sunshine Band,

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Please Don't Go. Oh, nice. That was a big one,

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yeah. Nice. Yeah, I like that one. What was the

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first time you, like, bought, went out and bought

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a robe? Was that it? Did you, you said you have

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the 45. Did you seek that out, or did you acquire

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it? Yeah, I sought it out, but I'm sure I didn't

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buy it. I was five years old. Right, but there's

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a difference between it, like, being in your

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parents' collection. No, I specifically wanted

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that and Coming Up and Please Don't Go. Do you

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remember where you got it? No. Probably, we had

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a record store in the Bainbridge Mall called,

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I think it was called the Record Bar. I think.

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So you're from Bainbridge, Georgia? I was born

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in Statesboro. Statesboro, okay. Moved to Bainbridge

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when I was one. Okay. So I don't really know

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a whole lot about Statesboro. So basically, yeah,

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I'm from Bainbridge. And what is there to do

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in Bainbridge? Ride bikes. The Flint River goes

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to the middle of it. Yeah. I've been to the Flint

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River Aquarium in Albany. Yeah, we had a little

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beach area. Quote unquote beach. Yeah, yeah.

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I feel like there's an SNL song about that. Yeah.

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We would swim there and go out and spend time

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on boats. But eventually... We skateboarded a

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lot when we got into thrash metal and things

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like that. And that got us into starting bands

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and stuff because there was nothing else to do

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really by that. When we got to be 12, 13 years

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old, we started playing guitars and starting

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bands and stuff. When did you realize that you

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really loved music in general? Oh, very early

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on because my dad's a musician. He was always

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playing. There was always instruments around.

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In fact, there's a baby picture of me beside

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the amplifier that I use today. Hell yeah. That's

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funny. It was just always guitars and amps around,

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and we had a piano. So my first thing I did was

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drums, which I would set up cool whip containers

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and shape them into sort of a drum set and play

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them with spoons. And then I played... our family

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piano a lot. Would you play along to songs you

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liked and stuff like that? Yeah. Or were you

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making up your own rhythms or a little bit of

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both? Probably both. Probably just banging. Yeah.

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Not doing anything special. So your love of music,

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not only did you love it, but you wanted to create

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it immediately. Yeah. I wrote songs pretty early

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on on the piano. My brother, Matt, he's in the

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lanes with me. He got better than me on drums,

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so he... took over the drums. And by this time

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we had real drum sets and stuff. Was there like

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a rivalry going on between y 'all or was it very

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much? No, not at all. I think I gravitated towards

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guitar more. I got you. And he started playing

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my drum set and he just got good at it and he

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was a lot better than me. It just kind of shook

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out. Yeah, he just became the drummer. There

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was no rivalry about that. Not about that? No,

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there were rivalries about other things. Not

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about that. So we just naturally gravitated towards

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me on guitar, him on drums. And we knew another

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set of brothers, Stacy and Gary White, who played

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bass. Stacy played bass and Gary played guitar.

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So we had a, there we were. We had a band. Yeah.

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Two guitars, bass and drums. And we were called

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the Insults. We would play Ramones covers. Descendants,

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DRI. So you were really into punk and all your

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stuff as a kid, huh? Because we were skateboarders

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and we were into anthrax and Slayer and all that

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kind of stuff. Was that something that helped

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you? A lot of people I know that are into heavier

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music, and myself included to some degree, it's

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almost like the opposite of what a lot of people

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think, where it's like people think that people

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listen to heavy music and get all angry or whatever.

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No. It's like calming and relaxing. We were never

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angry kids. Yeah. We just loved loud, heavy,

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loud guitars. Yeah. I still to this day love

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it. I listened to D .R .I. Four of a Kind yesterday.

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Hell yeah. I still love that album. Yeah. I still

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listen to Minor Threat and shit like that. All

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that stuff's great. Yeah. It still holds up.

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So I still love all that stuff. I don't really

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write and record stuff like that. Yeah, yeah.

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But I still love listening to it. But that was

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what you started, like when you first started

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playing music, that was the kind of music you

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were playing? Yep. Ramones, because that stuff's

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so easy to play. A lot of that stuff's really

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easy to play. Descendants and Ramones. It's all

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about the feeling. Yeah. The speed and the lyrics

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and the shouting. Right, right. Of course, as

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a 12 -year -old, we like to shout and turn our

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guitars up loud. Man, when I was working at Vinyl

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Fever, which you were, since... We were talking

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a minute before we started recording here, and

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since he's from Bainbridge, he grew up going

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to the record store that I ended up working at.

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It sounds like you were in Tallahassee before

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I was working there. Yeah. The record bar where

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I mentioned in the Bainbridge Mall closed pretty

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early on, and so we didn't have a record store.

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When we were really heavy into buying records,

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we didn't have a record store, so we always had

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to go to Tallahassee, and Vinyl Fever was where

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we would go. What made me think of that was there

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was one Christmas that, and you may have, it

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was like early when I started working there,

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so if there was overlap, you might have been

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there. We had the front of the store painted

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by one of our employees. This was the new place?

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This was the new place. The Jim Morrison mugshot?

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Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. He was arrested

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in Tallahassee? He was arrested in Tallahassee.

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That's why I was there, yeah. The crime was in

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Miami. Crime. But he was arrested by TPD in Tallahassee.

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Yeah, that's why the mugshot was there. Yeah.

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But we had painted the front of the store with

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the Ramones, and they all had Santa hats. And

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it said, ho, let's go. I don't remember that.

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That's cool, though. I don't know if cool is

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the right word, but it was something. I don't

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remember that. I didn't spend a whole lot of

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time at the new location. When did the new location

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open? Because I might have been in Athens by

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then. Yeah, I feel like I don't think I went

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to the old location, but a couple times when

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I was really young. It had to be in the mid -90s.

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I was going to say, I moved here in 94. I was

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born in 86. There's no overlap between when I

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worked there and when you went there. After I

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moved here, I would still go visit my parents.

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It was still the fucking best. I loved it. I

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always felt unqualified to be there. for kids

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from Bainbridge. We were starved for that stuff

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and Vinyl Fever to us had everything that we

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wanted, all the records we wanted. Yeah, yeah.

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I don't think I realized how good I had it just

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because it was like the kind of thing I took

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for granted because it was just my record store

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growing up. Yeah. And then when I'm working there,

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it gets named like number nine in the country

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by Rolling Stone and I'm like, I was the same.

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I don't really. I think I realized how good we

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had it having vinyl fever. I mean, you're going

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to somewhere like Wuxstreet and you realize it

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wasn't like the best store in the world ever,

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but it was up there. It's like, I wouldn't be

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embarrassed if people went to both of our stores

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in the same, if someone went to Wuxstreet and

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Vinyl Fever in the same day. Oh no, they're both

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great. Yeah, yeah. I think Wuxstreet is... There's

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a reason they're still around. Vinyl Fever is

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the work street of Tallahassee. Yeah. For sure.

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Yeah. But anyway, we got off track there a little

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bit. You can edit this if you want. I don't care.

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I think it's part of what makes this what it

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is. It's just about whatever happens to come.

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There's things I want to touch on. But it's more

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about the answers to your questions bringing

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more questions. Sure. Yeah. Natural conversation.

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I try not to edit these too heavily, especially

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if we're doing video. That starts to look weird.

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And we have a lot. We have some things in common

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with Tallahassee. Yeah. Were you born there?

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I was, yeah. And I feel like it's one of those

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things. Tallahassee Memorials, that was. I was

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actually born in CRMC. It was called at the time

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Capital Regional Medical Center, I think. Okay.

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But my daughter was born at TMH. So, yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, so you're playing. My brother and I,

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this is a funny story. Okay, yeah. My brother

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and I were banned for life from Governor's Square

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Mall. Oh, yeah? In Tallahassee for shoplifting

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a Black Sabbath cassette. What store was it from?

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Was it Turtles, I think? Turtles? Yeah, my brother.

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For life, huh? I wonder if that's still enforceable.

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And it wasn't even a good, I don't want to say

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it's not good, but that's subjective. It wasn't

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even an Aussie. Sabbath. Oh, wow. It was like,

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I think it was called the Eternal Idol. So it

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wasn't even the Aussie one. And my brother put

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it in his coat and walked out and we got caught.

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We got banned for life. But of course we went

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back. It's not, oh, the Wayne brothers are here.

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Call the cops. I mean, they didn't know who we

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were. No, there was mall security guards. The

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cops wouldn't know who you were. No. But mall

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security guards. They just said never come back,

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hoping we'd be scared. Your picture may have

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been on a wall somewhere. Maybe, but we maybe

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waited a year and then started going back. Yeah.

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Man, Governor Square is still there. The other

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mall is pretty much a desert. They tried to put

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a venue in there. I saw Willie Nelson and Dwight

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Yoakam play in the Tallahassee Mall. That's cool.

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I haven't been to Tallahassee in, gosh, probably

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20 years, I would say. At least. Maybe longer.

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You know what Thumper says. Anyway. Yeah. I don't

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go back to Bainbridge. I don't really have any.

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I have an uncle there, and that's about it. Yeah,

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yeah. All my friends and family are pretty much

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gone. There are some things I really love about

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Tallahassee, and I think the things that I have

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trouble with aren't the fault of the people that

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try to do different things there. There's a lot

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of corruption, and there's a lot of weird laws

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with the way venues can even operate. Anyway.

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Tallahassee has a lot of cool things going for

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it. I'm going to turn a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

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It's like I'm creaking my neck. Yeah, I did the

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same thing a few minutes ago. So you're playing

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in a bunch of punk bands and stuff like that.

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When did you start to find kind of your own sound

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and decide like what? I call it your authentic

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voice or whatever. Because I think it's something

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similar at all artists, whether you're a visual

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artist or a comedian or a musician. Eventually

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you find out how to be yourself in that medium.

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Probably when Teenage Fan Club, bandwagon -esque,

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came out in 1991. That's probably maybe the turning

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point. Because I was into metal, Slayer and Metallica,

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and I still love that stuff. And I was into grunge.

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I went and saw Nirvana in Tallahassee. Oh, yeah.

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At the Civic Center. Oh, hell yeah. And I was

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into all that stuff. And then bandwagon -esque

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came out in 1991, and it just felt like, ah,

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this is what. I'd been waiting on. This is the

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music. And it just felt so good to me. And my

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band, The Possibilities, were together in high

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school when that came out. So we learned that

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whole album. And that band was together for a

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really long time. Still together. Oh, Possibilities?

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Possibilities, yeah. I thought you meant Teenage

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Family. No, no. They're still together. Yeah,

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they are. We were together from 92 to 2003. And

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you guys started as a trio, and then you expanded

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to five -piece later on. Jay Gonzalez joined

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that band, right? He's a buddy of mine. He's

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been on the podcast. Oh, has he? Yeah, yeah.

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Jay and Chris Graham. Graham. Yeah, yeah. I'm

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trying to sound it out. It's an odd spelling.

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We've got to make sure the transcript gets it

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right. Yeah, G -R -E -H -A -M, Graham. Jay and

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Chris joined when we were on our last legs as

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a three -piece. Things weren't going well. We

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weren't really getting along. So they were the

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metaphorical crutches. Yeah, we needed something

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to keep us going. So Jay and Chris joined, and

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we made our best album called Way Out. I love

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that record. Oh, thanks. Yeah, I really love

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that record. I'm glad we stuck it out with Jay

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and Chris because they were a huge part of that

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record. So we were able to do that, and then

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we actually made a record, I feel, that we never

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finished, and then we broke up. So, yeah. Will

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that record ever see the light of day, you think?

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It's out there. It's done. Oh, it's done, okay.

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I just said we didn't finish it. We did finish

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it. It just never got officially released or

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anything. Gotcha, gotcha. It's finished and mastered

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and everything. We just never did anything with

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it. To me, it's not as good as Lay Out, but it's

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good. So there's this thing I've noticed about

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Athens musicians almost in particular. I see

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it everywhere, but I see it more here than...

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Y 'all are sluts, man. You sleep around a lot.

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And what I mean by that is y 'all are all in

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each other's bands. I'm trying to not be anymore.

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It's like everybody has been in a band with everybody

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else at one point or another. I try not to do

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too much of that. Well, that's a joking way of

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me just asking, like, how many projects do you

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think you can keep going at one time? Now that

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I have kids? None. Almost none. i mean the projects

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i'm in don't even hardly do anything because

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i have kids and we're just with work and kids

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have been so busy but you know how it goes i

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do i do but the arc started in 2006 and my brother

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did not live here at the time he lived in bainbridge

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where we grew up he moved back home for a little

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while and so the arcs were going pretty good

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and then in 2011 my brother started moving back

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to athens we're starting a band so I was like,

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okay, I already have a band. So I didn't really

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have, I'm not going to say no to my brother.

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We're going to start a band. And I didn't want

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to quit the arcs. So I was like, I'm just going

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to be in two bands. And that's how that happened.

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But I don't really like being in a bunch of bands.

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So you really try, even though you've been in

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a lot of different bands over the years, you

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usually are focused on like maybe two at a time.

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Yeah. If you're like underlying projects that

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have always gone on. Yeah, right now it's just

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the arcs and the lanes. That's my two things.

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And the lanes, you said have a release coming

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out soon. Yeah, actually mastering it Tuesday.

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Nice. Who's mastering it? Jason Eastman. Same

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guy that did the arcs. Yeah. I said the possibilities.

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You're right. We all cross, don't they? So, yeah,

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I try to just, like I said, I don't have time

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for much anyway. I can't do anything until 9

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o 'clock at night because that's when my kids

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go to bed. Yeah, yeah. And that's just all the

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time I have for music, really. What do you find,

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because obviously you've had to shift priorities,

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what have you found are the things that you have

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to keep doing to keep your sanity? Recording,

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for sure. I can go without playing shows. It's

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fun, of course. I do love it. But if I had to

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just play shows and not record, I'd probably

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still go crazy. I love recording. I have my own

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recording studio, which I was going to offer

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to do this at my studio, but it's a wreck right

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now. I'll be honest, man, with how many I ended

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up having to cram in today just because of...

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Easier to do it here. Yeah. I literally live

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a mile from here, so it was easy for me, too.

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And this is easy to pack up and set up anywhere,

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but yeah, no, this is great. I really appreciate

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you coming by. Recording's the thing for me.

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I love it. That's my favorite thing in the world.

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Have there ever been times where you weren't

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able to do that as much and you started to see

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the effects of not doing it? Does that make sense?

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Yeah. There was a time where I made a decision

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to stop trying to do too much music stuff. I

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wanted to focus more on my family and work. I

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got to give up all this fantasy music stuff.

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I felt like it was... getting in the way of things.

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And so I tried that, and it did not work. I did

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feel myself being unhappy, and I knew what was

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missing. I knew what it was. Do you know what

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the kind of turning point was for that decision?

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Not really. Oh, you mean to stop? Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I never really stopped or anything. It's

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just the focus shifted more on I need to do less

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of this and more. But it was more of a gradual

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thing. Yeah, more of a career and family and

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just being a grown -up. I'm still not a grown

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-up. That's no fun. No, that's what I found out.

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This is no fun. So now I think I've got a good

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balance now. From when I wake up at whatever,

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6 .30, 7 a .m., all the way to 9 p .m., it's

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work and family, really. And then at 9 p .m.

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It's music time, which can go pretty late sometimes.

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So 6 .37 comes early. Sleep's not that important.

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I have to sacrifice sleep to be able to do both.

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That's the only thing that I've found I have

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to sacrifice. I go on six hours sleep. That's

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not too bad. No, I honestly can't sleep a whole

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lot more than that most nights. Sometimes five.

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I'll usually go, when I'm recording, it's nine

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to 12 or one usually. So it doesn't sound like,

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it sounds like. And we didn't get into it too

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much, but it sounds like you had a fairly normal

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upbringing. Yeah. It didn't sound like it was

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tumultuous or anything like that. No, very good,

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very good. Sounds like you weren't like an angry

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kid. What I'm getting at is like with most artists

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that I talk to, and myself included, there's

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like a darkness that kind of drives some of that.

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Yeah. Is that something that's present with you,

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or do you think that? I don't think so, unless

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it's subconscious. I wonder if it's because you

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figured out your outlet so early. Maybe. It could

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be. Because I feel like it gets dampened when

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people figure out what they're supposed to be

00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:07.420
doing. Yeah. I had a great normal upbringing.

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Great parents. no problems there you struggle

00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.279
with anxiety or depression oh yeah like that

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everybody most people do right yeah i mean not

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so much really gotten in the way of no not so

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much depression as anxiety for sure yeah it's

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hard to live in the world today i feel like i'm

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generally generally pretty happy person but anxious

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anxiety for sure and adhd for sure yeah you know

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that'll probably come through on this recording

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because i will talk over you a thousand times

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very neurodivergent so you're in good hands man

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i i was not diagnosed until an adult so i didn't

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find out i'm still undiagnosed but everybody

00:22:48.269 --> 00:22:52.829
knows that no i'm not arguing i'm in therapy

00:22:52.829 --> 00:22:57.309
my therapist knows it yeah i think therapy is

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really important I've been in therapy for 15

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years. I tell a joke on stage about being in

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therapy where I survey the room. I'm like, who

00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.799
thinks therapy is important? And everybody cheers.

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And then I'm like, who's in therapy? And nobody

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cheers. I think it's very important. And then

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nobody cheers when I ask who's in therapy. And

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I'm like, that's why I'm still in therapy. Yeah.

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And they get it, really. They understand. They're

00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.579
like, yeah, I probably need to go. I think it's

00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.519
important. I agree. Absolutely, yeah. If anything,

00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:29.359
just having that neutral part in me. Sometimes

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you have a session where you're just like, oh,

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that makes total sense to me, and I didn't think

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about it that way. And it's just so easy. Everybody

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has their go -to people, but what happens when

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you need to bitch about them? Yeah. One of my

00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:48.299
therapists asked me, who do you have that will

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be straight, who in your life will be straight

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and honest with you and not just take your side?

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And I was like, I really don't know. Most people

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will just probably agree with what I said. Here's

00:24:00.609 --> 00:24:02.829
what I do, man. So you're, to my therapist, you're

00:24:02.829 --> 00:24:04.849
supposed to be that person. What's that? Leave

00:24:04.849 --> 00:24:07.109
your fly unzipped or a booger in your nose, something

00:24:07.109 --> 00:24:10.730
like that. And then whoever lets, like, those

00:24:10.730 --> 00:24:13.069
are your real friends. Yeah, my wife, definitely.

00:24:13.430 --> 00:24:17.490
See? That means you picked well. Although she

00:24:17.490 --> 00:24:19.789
just might not want to be seen with you. No.

00:24:20.710 --> 00:24:23.069
If you've got that going on. She would definitely

00:24:23.069 --> 00:24:26.039
let me know. My therapist said I'm not allowed

00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:31.039
to use her as a person. Don't know why. She's

00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:32.720
a good example of someone that'll be straight

00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.960
with me. Yeah, but that is your person. Yeah.

00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:39.839
No, I get it. At what point, if you don't mind

00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.380
sharing, what kind of drove the decision to go

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into therapy? Was there just anxiety? Anxiety

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and just trying to be a better person. family

00:24:53.419 --> 00:24:57.500
and my friends and I don't know yeah I think

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that's important yeah and it's a really good

00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.339
way to just learn how to communicate better listen

00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:06.799
more and not talk over people which I'm bad about

00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.160
doing I'm bad about doing it too and I think

00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.859
you can probably relate to this is like a neurodivergent

00:25:11.859 --> 00:25:15.000
person as well it's it's never it's always because

00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.660
I'm like excited to say something Nervous. Or

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nervous. I would always blame it on social anxiety.

00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.900
I'm just talking about things about myself because

00:25:25.900 --> 00:25:29.859
I'm nervous. I have social anxiety. But I think

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it could be more than that. Do you get anxious

00:25:32.259 --> 00:25:36.759
when you play? Not really. Is it kind of a safe?

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Solo show, yes. I got you. All day. The day of

00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:44.000
a solo show. You can ask my wife, like, why did

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.480
I book this? I don't want to do this. It sounds

00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.940
like me every time I book a comedy show. Yeah,

00:25:49.940 --> 00:25:51.319
well, that's by yourself. It's great, right?

00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:54.480
Yeah, it's fine once I get up there. But sometimes

00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.519
it's funny, I'll write out a set list, and then

00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:58.480
when I'm up on stage, I'll go, I don't want to

00:25:58.480 --> 00:25:59.660
do that, I don't want to do that, I don't want

00:25:59.660 --> 00:26:01.299
to do that, I don't want to do that. You've got

00:26:01.299 --> 00:26:04.920
to do some of these songs. So, I don't know,

00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.059
that I get really nervous. But with a band, no,

00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.559
not really. You play with your brother a lot,

00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:12.640
so that's probably... Yeah. and with the arcs

00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.660
and the lanes i mean i don't get nervous at all

00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:18.859
yeah i just wondered if there was like a juxtaposition

00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:22.200
between it's almost does the anxiety go away

00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.119
once you start playing yeah it never really starts

00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.259
with playing with bands i've just done it for

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30 years i i get nervous about more about the

00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.019
show itself are people going to come like how's

00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:39.450
it and i shouldn't You shouldn't worry about

00:26:39.450 --> 00:26:40.710
those things because you really have no control

00:26:40.710 --> 00:26:44.349
over it. You can advertise the show. Sure. But

00:26:44.349 --> 00:26:45.789
that's about all the control you have. You can't

00:26:45.789 --> 00:26:49.029
go pick people up and make them come. I was talking

00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:51.329
to a good friend of mine last week, or maybe

00:26:51.329 --> 00:26:55.029
two weeks ago now, about how the metrics for

00:26:55.029 --> 00:26:58.089
a good show are very different for music and

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comedy. Because you can have a good show and

00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:04.500
have two or three people in the audience. Because

00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:07.839
you guys clicked and it just felt good. Because

00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.339
primarily you're playing for yourself and for

00:27:10.339 --> 00:27:13.779
each other. And if people show up, awesome. With

00:27:13.779 --> 00:27:16.660
comedy. If you're doing comedy to two people.

00:27:16.779 --> 00:27:21.019
Man. I can totally see it. I've done it. I can

00:27:21.019 --> 00:27:23.500
totally see it. You need a group laughing. And

00:27:23.500 --> 00:27:25.660
the more people that are laughing, if some people

00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:27.380
are laughing, these people might laugh more.

00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:29.799
Yeah, yeah. If there's nobody there to spread

00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.880
that. Some things are going to hit with some

00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.259
people, and some things are going to hit with

00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:37.279
other people. It's just, once you get, you've

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.299
got to get real specific. You found your sound,

00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.940
it sounds like, pretty young, too, in a way.

00:27:44.019 --> 00:27:45.759
So, yes. You were in high school when you started.

00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.960
Yeah, so Bandwagon S would have been 91, I think,

00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:51.839
or 92, 91. So that would have been about when

00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.420
I realized that's the kind of music that spoke

00:27:56.420 --> 00:28:00.079
to me the most, is that, you know that album?

00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:03.240
Yeah, yeah. So that kind of, then that led me

00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.619
to, every review you read of that album was like,

00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.259
these guys are ripping off Big Star. And I was

00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:10.079
like, who's Big Star? So that got me right down

00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.700
to, I was like, oh, I fell in love with Big Star.

00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.460
And then I was just off and running. But I guess

00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.839
even before that, there was R .E .M. I was into

00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.000
that. My big brother, Tim, my oldest brother.

00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.839
He turned Matt and I on to a lot of stuff because

00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:24.819
he was, I don't know where he even found out

00:28:24.819 --> 00:28:27.160
about all this stuff in Bainbridge. He was into

00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.140
the replacements and REM and sex pistols. Maybe

00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:32.619
at Vinyl Fever. Could be. I'm sure that's where

00:28:32.619 --> 00:28:35.500
he bought a lot of it. That's where I found out

00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:37.200
about the replacements. He was into all that

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.539
stuff. My brother Matt and I got turned on to

00:28:40.539 --> 00:28:43.539
all that stuff real early on, which we were real

00:28:43.539 --> 00:28:46.190
lucky. So you started the possibilities in high

00:28:46.190 --> 00:28:49.490
school, but then you moved to Athens. It sounds

00:28:49.490 --> 00:28:52.269
like a few years after you graduated. Yeah, I

00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:57.230
graduated in 1993. And then June of 94, we moved

00:28:57.230 --> 00:28:59.630
here as a band. We already had the band in Bainbridge.

00:28:59.750 --> 00:29:02.410
We played. So you were, you planned, you moved

00:29:02.410 --> 00:29:04.670
here as a band, like to come to Athens. Yeah,

00:29:04.670 --> 00:29:07.289
it was, it was funny. We had, we were just playing

00:29:07.289 --> 00:29:09.789
parties down there and we're, there's nowhere

00:29:09.789 --> 00:29:11.630
to play in Bainbridge. You just play house parties

00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:15.089
and we would just play. we would play mostly

00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:19.109
covers like stuff like spin doctors and stuff

00:29:19.109 --> 00:29:22.450
that was popular pearl jam yeah yeah not that

00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:24.809
we didn't like that stuff we did we didn't ever

00:29:24.809 --> 00:29:26.910
play anything we didn't like but we were playing

00:29:26.910 --> 00:29:29.529
like popular stuff nirvana and stuff like that

00:29:29.529 --> 00:29:32.130
and then we'd throw in ramones stuff and then

00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:34.150
every when we throw in an original song just

00:29:34.150 --> 00:29:36.549
trying to sneak it in but nobody wanted to hear

00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:41.920
it original songs my friend zach hosie i don't

00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.200
know if zach he still lives and he's really familiar

00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:46.279
but i don't know yeah he's he's a friend of mine

00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.400
from bainbridge from way back from high school

00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:53.099
so when he came to see us one night he had already

00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:55.180
moved to athens and he came he was in bainbridge

00:29:55.180 --> 00:29:57.579
and we were playing a party and he was there

00:29:57.579 --> 00:30:00.380
and he was like you guys need to get your band

00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:03.140
bring your band to athens because all they want

00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:04.900
to do is hear original music they don't care

00:30:04.900 --> 00:30:07.140
about covers we're like god that sounds like

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:10.059
a dream we want to play original music So he

00:30:10.059 --> 00:30:12.579
said, I'll tell you what, get all your gear,

00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:16.339
all your stuff, move in with me until you find

00:30:16.339 --> 00:30:18.480
a place. And that's what we did. We just brought

00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.119
all of our stuff. This was before cell phones,

00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:25.200
so we called him, and his phone had been disconnected.

00:30:25.940 --> 00:30:28.900
So we were like, should we go? We can't even

00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:31.400
get him on the phone. So we just packed all of

00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.420
our stuff up and just drove all the way up here

00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:36.220
and just knocked on his door. Here we are. Remember,

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.279
you told us we could stay with you until we found

00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.980
a place? Did he remember? He did, but I don't

00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:43.259
think he really thought we were going to come.

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.119
And so he just looked at us like, come on in.

00:30:50.380 --> 00:30:53.240
And so we lived there for about six weeks, I

00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.079
think, until we found our own place. And then

00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.799
you found a place as a band? Yeah, it was the

00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.539
day OJ was in the White Bronco. Oh, that was

00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:03.480
the day you moved out? That was the day we moved

00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.660
here, yeah. Oh, you moved to that. That was what

00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:07.980
was on TV when we were moving our furniture.

00:31:08.259 --> 00:31:10.900
That's fucking crazy. So it's always easy to

00:31:10.900 --> 00:31:14.019
remember when we meet. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah,

00:31:14.059 --> 00:31:16.859
after about six weeks living with Zach, we found

00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:20.740
a place over on Willow Run as a band. And we

00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:23.880
all moved in there, paying like $450 a month

00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.339
or something. That was when normal town was cheap.

00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.440
Yeah. Oh, man. And we've been here ever since.

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.059
We just came to try it out and see what happens.

00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.599
Here I am, 30 -something years later. So when

00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.259
did you start working at the Caledonia Lounge?

00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:41.099
Probably when they opened. Because I was friends

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:43.000
with them. Can you share? I don't think we've

00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:44.819
really talked about the Caledonia Lounge on this

00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:48.099
podcast before. It was a really important music

00:31:48.099 --> 00:31:52.000
venue in Athens. Oh, yeah. That got closed. It

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.680
was a cool place. Really cool place. Yeah. I

00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.660
guess it opened around 99, I think. And I started

00:31:59.660 --> 00:32:02.599
there as a door guy. Like right when they opened?

00:32:02.859 --> 00:32:04.779
I think. Maybe not right when they opened, but

00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:08.500
pretty early on. And I remember Karen and Kaya,

00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.779
who owned the place, told me, you know, don't

00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:16.059
let anybody in for free because some people try

00:32:16.059 --> 00:32:17.519
to get in for free. You've got to charge everybody.

00:32:18.259 --> 00:32:21.279
And so the owner of the building, Joey, who I

00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.160
didn't know, he comes in and I charged him. Of

00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.559
course he didn't mind. He paid. Yeah, yeah. Kai

00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.420
or Karen, one of them, pulled me aside and they

00:32:28.420 --> 00:32:29.680
were like, that's the owner. You don't have to

00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.299
charge him. And I was like, you said charge everybody.

00:32:32.259 --> 00:32:34.119
I remember Michael Stipe coming in. I was like,

00:32:34.180 --> 00:32:36.799
you're definitely paying. That's mean. But yeah,

00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.880
I charged everybody, no matter who you were.

00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:41.799
And that money went to the artists. Yeah, of

00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:43.940
course. And nobody mind paying. Right, yeah.

00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.700
Nobody gives a shit about supporting music in

00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:49.799
this town. That's what they want to do. Nobody's

00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.440
going to complain about it. Yeah. And they only

00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.509
serve beer and wine then, so. We had Monday night

00:32:55.509 --> 00:32:58.829
movie nights, which is funny to think now. In

00:32:58.829 --> 00:33:00.849
the early days, we had movie nights on Mondays.

00:33:01.230 --> 00:33:03.250
And so on those nights, I would work the bar

00:33:03.250 --> 00:33:06.329
because it was easy, beer and wine. Just pour

00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:09.150
a glass of wine or a pop of beer. Later on, when

00:33:09.150 --> 00:33:12.089
I got mixed drinks, I was gone from the bar by

00:33:12.089 --> 00:33:14.829
then, but I had moved to the sound booth by then.

00:33:14.890 --> 00:33:18.710
So I worked door, bar, then sound. You've been

00:33:18.710 --> 00:33:20.910
kind of learning sound while working there over

00:33:20.910 --> 00:33:23.519
the years? Or had you learned it elsewhere and

00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.160
then you were like, hey. I was already way into

00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.160
it from recording and stuff. Yeah, yeah. So I

00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.920
knew, I'd never run sound at a venue, but I'd

00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.400
run plenty of PA systems at parties and stuff.

00:33:34.460 --> 00:33:38.279
I knew how it worked. And I knew how to make

00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.099
something sound decent. Yeah, and you knew the

00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:43.259
room. And if something's feeding back, turn it

00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:46.779
down. That's the biggest thing I've learned is

00:33:46.779 --> 00:33:50.619
once you know the room, it becomes really easy.

00:33:51.429 --> 00:33:53.730
I don't want to say easy, but it becomes very

00:33:53.730 --> 00:33:56.369
familiar and you know how to fix everything pretty

00:33:56.369 --> 00:33:59.849
quickly. Because it's like, oh, I know what's

00:33:59.849 --> 00:34:03.829
causing this in here. Yeah, I was definitely

00:34:03.829 --> 00:34:07.490
part of the Caledonia family. And then, yeah,

00:34:07.670 --> 00:34:10.389
that was our favorite place to play. And you

00:34:10.389 --> 00:34:12.510
did some stuff with Elephant 6 over the years

00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:14.900
too, right? A little bit, yeah. I played... You

00:34:14.900 --> 00:34:17.420
were in a band called Elf Power. Yeah, it was

00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:19.440
at the Caledonia, funny enough. I was hanging

00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.619
out with Andrew, who's the leader of Elf Power.

00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.559
And he said, where are you up to? Because do

00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.300
you know who Brian Poole is? He plays with Elf

00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:31.519
Power. He used to play with Of Montreal. At that

00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.760
time, Of Montreal was blowing up, and he was

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.460
playing with them. And so they had this big tour

00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:39.079
coming up, and Brian wanted to do that because

00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.320
it was going to be more, I'm guessing it was

00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.300
going to be more, because it was more lucrative.

00:34:44.549 --> 00:34:47.289
You know Davey Pierce? Yeah. Is he still around?

00:34:48.130 --> 00:34:50.590
Yeah. He was in Tallahassee when I was a kid,

00:34:50.610 --> 00:34:52.929
man. I'm not sure if he's still around. I haven't

00:34:52.929 --> 00:34:55.469
seen him in a long time, but I know him. Yeah,

00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:57.670
he was in a band called The Drake Equation that

00:34:57.670 --> 00:34:59.809
I used to hang around all the time in Tallahassee.

00:34:59.909 --> 00:35:02.190
Yeah, man, way back in the day. Yeah, I was friends

00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:03.829
with Davey. I haven't talked to him in a long

00:35:03.829 --> 00:35:06.349
time. He may not be here. Yeah, I got to reach

00:35:06.349 --> 00:35:07.829
out to him, man. I haven't heard from him in

00:35:07.829 --> 00:35:10.840
a minute, but anyway. Yeah, I'm making this too

00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:12.380
long of a story. No, no, you're good, you're

00:35:12.380 --> 00:35:15.900
good. I got off track because he played with

00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:18.800
Montreal for a while. Yeah, he did, yeah. So

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.119
Brian took that tour with Montreal, so Elf Power

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.000
was left without a bass player for a tour they

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.340
had coming up. So Andrew was like, do you want

00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.159
to go on this tour with us? We're going to Spain.

00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:32.260
And I was like, yes, I do, indeed. I want to

00:35:32.260 --> 00:35:34.599
go to Spain. We weren't going to make any money,

00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.489
but everything's going to be paid for. So I was

00:35:37.489 --> 00:35:39.190
like, to me, that's making a lot of money. I

00:35:39.190 --> 00:35:41.909
can't afford to go to Spain yet. So they took

00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:43.909
me to Spain with them playing bass. And we did

00:35:43.909 --> 00:35:49.650
six weeks in the U .S. And then we did 11 days

00:35:49.650 --> 00:35:52.570
in Spain. That's really all I spent playing with

00:35:52.570 --> 00:35:57.289
them. What time period was that? 2004. I feel

00:35:57.289 --> 00:36:00.869
like I might have seen that tour. You may have.

00:36:00.969 --> 00:36:03.210
We played the 40 watt. Yeah. I played the 40

00:36:03.210 --> 00:36:06.610
watt opening for. Olivia Tremor Control. And

00:36:06.610 --> 00:36:09.369
then there was the big late night party with

00:36:09.369 --> 00:36:12.590
Danger Mouse DJing. That was a big night. Yeah,

00:36:12.590 --> 00:36:14.309
I heard about that. I wasn't at that show, but

00:36:14.309 --> 00:36:17.050
anyway, yeah. That was a fun night. Club Down

00:36:17.050 --> 00:36:18.929
Under had a bunch of great shows around that

00:36:18.929 --> 00:36:21.550
time, too. It was like a great time period for

00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.769
live music, I feel. Especially if it was like

00:36:24.769 --> 00:36:28.150
club -sized bands. I saw Buffalo Tom there one

00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:30.150
time. Oh, hell yeah. That was great. They were

00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:33.389
really good. I don't know if I went to Club Down

00:36:33.389 --> 00:36:35.590
Under too much. I was underage, so I got to remember

00:36:35.590 --> 00:36:37.690
that. I don't know how I even went to Buffalo

00:36:37.690 --> 00:36:41.630
Tom. Did they let underage people in? I don't

00:36:41.630 --> 00:36:44.530
know. They had to. I wasn't 21. A lot of places,

00:36:44.610 --> 00:36:48.590
they would let you in with a parent or a guardian

00:36:48.590 --> 00:36:50.730
or an older brother or something like that. My

00:36:50.730 --> 00:36:53.670
mom used to take me to so many shows. My mom

00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:56.250
took me to see D .R .I. At the moon. Hell yeah.

00:36:56.510 --> 00:36:58.289
Remember the moon? Hell yeah. The moon's still

00:36:58.289 --> 00:37:00.530
open. Yeah. My mom took me and my brother to

00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:03.809
see DR. I was 14. Hell yeah. That was awesome.

00:37:03.929 --> 00:37:05.869
She was set up top, but she was probably horrified

00:37:05.869 --> 00:37:07.449
because we were down in the pit thrashing around.

00:37:09.030 --> 00:37:12.969
But that was great. That's wild. Yeah, that place

00:37:12.969 --> 00:37:15.730
is still open, man. But I ended up on a record

00:37:15.730 --> 00:37:19.469
that just came out with the Elephant 6 soundtrack.

00:37:19.929 --> 00:37:23.550
Oh, cool. I played the show in Toronto with Elf

00:37:23.550 --> 00:37:27.210
Power. And it was broadcast over, what is it,

00:37:27.250 --> 00:37:29.670
CBC Radio? Is that what it's called? It was broadcast

00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:32.349
over the radio, so they had a really good recording

00:37:32.349 --> 00:37:34.170
of it. Yeah, yeah. And they used a track from

00:37:34.170 --> 00:37:36.309
that for that record. Oh, yeah. I ended up on

00:37:36.309 --> 00:37:38.389
that. But there's no credit, so I didn't get

00:37:38.389 --> 00:37:40.909
any credit. Yeah. I have to tell people, I'm

00:37:40.909 --> 00:37:44.510
on this. So that's neat. So I did have, there

00:37:44.510 --> 00:37:47.829
is one, one released song of me with Elf Power

00:37:47.829 --> 00:37:50.230
on that record, but that's it. I was mainly just

00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:53.530
filling in for Brian for a few weeks. Yeah. I

00:37:53.530 --> 00:37:57.210
mean. To me, it's just amazing how many places

00:37:57.210 --> 00:37:59.849
you seem to have had your hand in. Well, that

00:37:59.849 --> 00:38:02.190
was a time where I was floating around because

00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:05.809
Possibilities broke up in 2003. The Arcs didn't

00:38:05.809 --> 00:38:08.769
form until 2006, so those couple of years, I

00:38:08.769 --> 00:38:10.590
was just at home recording. I didn't have a band,

00:38:10.650 --> 00:38:13.730
and that Elf Power thing came up in 2004, so

00:38:13.730 --> 00:38:16.570
of course I was going to do that. I played with

00:38:16.570 --> 00:38:20.170
Donnie Chambers around that time. Yeah, Don's

00:38:20.170 --> 00:38:23.679
great. Yeah. I love Donnie. Yeah, he's amazing.

00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.260
I played with him. And then I just started thinking,

00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.119
God, I'm tired of being. I love those guys. Donnie,

00:38:31.219 --> 00:38:33.400
I love Andrew and Elf Power. I just didn't want

00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.000
to be a hired gun anymore. I want to go back

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.960
to writing songs and being in a band. It sounds

00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.360
like that's still what's most important to you,

00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:43.519
right? Yeah. Writing your own music, recording

00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.420
it. Like you said, I started missing that part

00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:49.380
of it. I was doing it at home the whole time,

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.679
like recording, of course. But I was playing

00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.059
a lot of live shows as a bass player or guitar

00:38:55.059 --> 00:38:59.159
player or something. And I was tired of it. Speaking

00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.559
of being at home a lot, let's fast forward a

00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.599
little bit. And you can fill in any gaps as you

00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.980
see fit as we keep going. But what were some

00:39:08.980 --> 00:39:12.840
of the immediate impacts that you felt when COVID

00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.079
hit and when you started the whole city, obviously?

00:39:17.659 --> 00:39:20.119
That's essentially what killed Caledonia Lounge,

00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.420
I think. more or less without getting into details

00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:26.460
I don't know that I don't know or I was out of

00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:28.760
the Caledonia picture by then so I'm not sure

00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.099
what I just know the whole scene here took a

00:39:31.099 --> 00:39:33.420
big hit and that being one of the casualties

00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:38.519
how did that affect you I hate to say I liked

00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.480
it because a lot of people died obviously yeah

00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.360
you're not the first person to say that though

00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.679
it was a horrible thing but right before that

00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.480
and this is very selfish of me to say but right

00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.710
before that I was playing and a lot of different

00:39:50.710 --> 00:39:54.489
bands just filling in doing some stuff and i

00:39:54.489 --> 00:39:56.150
knew i said i'd gotten out of that but i was

00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:59.469
somehow found myself that's fine back into doing

00:39:59.469 --> 00:40:01.389
gigs with a few different bands like filling

00:40:01.389 --> 00:40:04.530
in on guitar doing all this stuff and i right

00:40:04.530 --> 00:40:07.769
before covet hit i found out my wife was pregnant

00:40:07.769 --> 00:40:10.050
with our second boy we didn't know he was a boy

00:40:10.050 --> 00:40:13.530
yet obviously second child and that was in january

00:40:13.530 --> 00:40:17.409
of 2020. and then i was doing all this stuff

00:40:17.409 --> 00:40:19.489
with music and i'm just i was busy at work and

00:40:19.489 --> 00:40:22.510
i remember saying i just wish the world would

00:40:22.510 --> 00:40:24.690
stop for a minute and let me catch my breath

00:40:24.690 --> 00:40:28.429
i felt so stressed and then march 2020 happened

00:40:28.429 --> 00:40:32.550
and i was like the world did stop and now i got

00:40:32.550 --> 00:40:36.489
now i can't do anything and i liked that i was

00:40:36.489 --> 00:40:38.530
like i feel like i can catch my breath and i

00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:42.030
don't have anywhere to go or be it was scary

00:40:42.030 --> 00:40:45.750
of course it was horrible we were because my

00:40:45.750 --> 00:40:48.230
wife was pregnant and we didn't know what it

00:40:48.230 --> 00:40:51.289
did to people, much less an unborn child. We

00:40:51.289 --> 00:40:55.250
were horrified. We were out there ordering groceries

00:40:55.250 --> 00:40:58.690
and wiping them down with Clorox wipes. For a

00:40:58.690 --> 00:41:01.349
while there. I washed my hands so much, they

00:41:01.349 --> 00:41:04.369
were just hurt to touch. They were so raw, I

00:41:04.369 --> 00:41:06.530
was washing them so much. Because we didn't know

00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:09.550
what was going to happen with the pregnancy.

00:41:10.170 --> 00:41:12.230
it was really scary i'm sure a lot of people

00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:14.030
went through that who had children at that time

00:41:14.030 --> 00:41:17.369
for sure and it was scary but i don't think that

00:41:17.369 --> 00:41:20.250
negates the fact that and i think that this is

00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:22.190
a pretty common experience among people with

00:41:22.190 --> 00:41:25.269
adhd especially is like when the world shut off

00:41:25.269 --> 00:41:30.650
it was like we got to breathe for the first time

00:41:30.650 --> 00:41:35.929
in a long time yeah and i think a lot of the

00:41:35.929 --> 00:41:38.489
people that i've talked to neurodivergent or

00:41:38.489 --> 00:41:43.639
just an artist found that there was I think the

00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.659
easiest way to put it is like it was a little

00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:47.760
easier for some of these people to find the silver

00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.380
lining yeah in a horrible situation and I was

00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:54.219
definitely one of those people for a while I

00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:56.800
think it went on a little long and it got to

00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.480
us all eventually but yeah I mean we were my

00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.539
wife and I had we already had one boy at that

00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:06.760
point and he was I guess he was four when that

00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.400
happened yeah he had just turned four so had

00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.219
you You've already made the conscious decision

00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:15.719
to focus a little less on music and more on family

00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.920
and everything at that point before COVID did

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.679
hit? No, not my own music. Just like... Everybody

00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.360
else's? Yeah, just spreading myself too thin.

00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:29.380
I say I wish the world would stop. It was all

00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:32.519
choices I made. But I was really busy at work.

00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.840
That was one thing. Just stopped and I was just

00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.179
like this is so great. I don't have to do anything

00:42:38.179 --> 00:42:40.699
I'm at home with my wife and my four -year -old

00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:43.159
and this is just great. Like we don't have to

00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:46.539
do anything or go anywhere Yeah for awesome.

00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.840
Yeah, my gym closed and I had just joined Yeah,

00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:54.320
I feel so bad saying that because it was such

00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.340
a horrible thing and so many people died and

00:42:56.340 --> 00:43:02.119
so many people lost Loved ones. I feel so selfish

00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.559
saying that but That part of it, I guess I'll

00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.179
just put it that way. That part of it I liked.

00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:10.260
Sure, sure. Being able to not do anything. I

00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:14.139
didn't have a choice. I don't think that figuring

00:43:14.139 --> 00:43:17.780
out how to make situations work for us means

00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:21.000
that we wanted the situation to happen. You know

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.119
what I mean? I understand what you mean. Certainly

00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.619
didn't want anybody to get sick. No, of course

00:43:26.619 --> 00:43:29.559
not. I enjoyed the time at home. There were some

00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.099
people that struggled a lot more with the isolation.

00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.280
and the things and some people that were relieved

00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.539
by that i could see how some people might be

00:43:38.539 --> 00:43:41.039
affected that way i was lucky that i had my wife

00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.300
and my four -year -old so we had plenty of things

00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:48.239
to do around the house and we kept busy with

00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.679
him and playing with him did that change the

00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.239
way you started recording like perpetually or

00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.659
was it all well the arts had started recording

00:43:57.659 --> 00:44:00.880
our album before that So we started, oh yeah,

00:44:01.139 --> 00:44:02.880
I'm glad you brought that up, because we tried

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.780
to do, I guess you'd call it e -recording, by

00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:09.659
sending each other tracks, and it just did not

00:44:09.659 --> 00:44:14.380
work. Because Ben would send us a vocal track

00:44:14.380 --> 00:44:17.880
he had spent four hours on, and we would all

00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:23.659
go, eh, it could be better. Or I'd spend six

00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:26.889
hours. recording guitars using different amps.

00:44:26.969 --> 00:44:29.050
You weren't live together at any point. Yeah,

00:44:29.070 --> 00:44:31.690
so you spend all this time and you think it sounds

00:44:31.690 --> 00:44:35.110
great. I do all these guitar tracks and I send

00:44:35.110 --> 00:44:37.809
them to the guys and Ben says, sounds out of

00:44:37.809 --> 00:44:40.670
tune. It just didn't work. It was like, God,

00:44:40.750 --> 00:44:42.989
we're just spinning our wheels here. We all need

00:44:42.989 --> 00:44:45.550
to be in the same room. We're never going to

00:44:45.550 --> 00:44:48.030
get this done. So the Arch record just stopped.

00:44:48.710 --> 00:44:51.650
So you had started recording it, COVID hits,

00:44:51.769 --> 00:44:54.659
you tried doing it. remotely doesn't work yeah

00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:57.960
what finally brought it all together we started

00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.000
when we could get back in the room together again

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.340
we started back so that we probably took what

00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:05.860
a two -year break from it and there were points

00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:09.519
in it before and after covid that we stopped

00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.900
too just because things were i don't know like

00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:17.099
people got busy or dave moved 30 minutes out

00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:19.159
of town and right there's our drummer and it

00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.170
sounds like you already knew at that point you

00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:24.809
needed to be like even if you hadn't tried the

00:45:24.809 --> 00:45:27.130
remote recording thing like you knew y 'all needed

00:45:27.130 --> 00:45:30.530
to all be in the room together yeah no yeah not

00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:32.829
really maybe not really all of us but yeah yeah

00:45:32.829 --> 00:45:35.489
there had to be at least more than one person

00:45:35.489 --> 00:45:37.670
yeah because feedback if you just have the one

00:45:37.670 --> 00:45:40.170
person then you're liable to go down a road for

00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:43.289
hours that the other guys might not like it's

00:45:43.289 --> 00:45:47.090
risky or and it's just not yeah it's just not

00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:52.179
what a band is no no The Lanes is like that in

00:45:52.179 --> 00:45:54.099
a way, because I do a lot of the recording myself

00:45:54.099 --> 00:45:57.320
at home. How do you approach those two projects

00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:02.360
differently? The Arcs is a collaboration of Ben

00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.440
Spraker and I both write songs for the band.

00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:10.420
We both sing the ones that we wrote. It better

00:46:10.420 --> 00:46:12.460
be here later on today, actually. Ben's coming

00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:16.519
here? Yeah. Oh, cool. I think 4 .30. Oh, cool.

00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.820
And The Lanes is all me. it's all my songs all

00:46:21.820 --> 00:46:25.320
my singing awesome my brother plays drums and

00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.059
does a lot of singing too backup singing and

00:46:28.059 --> 00:46:30.440
so did he ever try anything other than like he

00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.280
stole your drum set as a kid better than you

00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.179
and does he play anything but drums no he can

00:46:35.179 --> 00:46:38.400
play guitar and play everything yeah he's very

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.940
talented yeah he just plays drums mostly i don't

00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:44.639
think he plays any guitar i don't think he plays

00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.559
anything but drums on the lanes album but he

00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.050
can he writes songs too yeah i think pretty This

00:46:50.050 --> 00:46:52.949
is all my songs on this album. I think down the

00:46:52.949 --> 00:46:56.130
road, hoping he'll be writing songs too. Cool.

00:46:56.449 --> 00:46:58.090
Yeah, because I know he wants to. I think he's

00:46:58.090 --> 00:47:01.050
just a little nervous about it. It's hard to

00:47:01.050 --> 00:47:05.030
put your stuff out there. Yeah, it is. How did

00:47:05.030 --> 00:47:08.969
you overcome that when you struggled with it

00:47:08.969 --> 00:47:11.250
in the past? I just don't really care anymore.

00:47:11.590 --> 00:47:14.550
Yeah. This is what I do. It's a great place to

00:47:14.550 --> 00:47:18.190
be. Yeah, and not everybody's going to like it.

00:47:19.210 --> 00:47:20.630
some people are gonna like it and some people

00:47:20.630 --> 00:47:21.809
aren't and there's really not a whole lot you

00:47:21.809 --> 00:47:23.670
can do about it but if i think about the things

00:47:23.670 --> 00:47:26.030
that everybody and i don't mean like people that

00:47:26.030 --> 00:47:28.869
have a filter but like everybody out there likes

00:47:28.869 --> 00:47:31.750
it's like jeff dunham and i'm like i don't want

00:47:31.750 --> 00:47:33.630
to be one of the jeff dunhams of the world yeah

00:47:33.630 --> 00:47:36.250
i don't want to be something that everybody likes

00:47:36.250 --> 00:47:40.409
and i think that's a good thing i think i'm just

00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:44.610
i just decided at some point i was tired of being

00:47:44.610 --> 00:47:47.269
worried about what people think about my songs

00:47:47.269 --> 00:47:50.559
and stuff because I've spent years being self

00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.420
-conscious about it, and it would keep me from

00:47:53.420 --> 00:47:56.679
doing things. It's like, this is not cool. I

00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:58.139
want to put these songs out. I think they're

00:47:58.139 --> 00:48:02.099
good. I just started trusting that more often.

00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:06.280
If you think it's good, then do it. There's people

00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:07.400
out there that aren't going to like it or going

00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:11.059
to think it sucks, and that's fine. Right. At

00:48:11.059 --> 00:48:13.780
least they have an opinion about it. Yeah. That

00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:16.260
would be ignored. I just don't want to spend

00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:19.050
any more time. caring about that did any of that

00:48:19.050 --> 00:48:22.030
reemerge when you had kids where you start worrying

00:48:22.030 --> 00:48:25.269
like oh one day they'll hear this song or oh

00:48:25.269 --> 00:48:28.150
definitely yeah certainly has that changed how

00:48:28.150 --> 00:48:30.409
you approach this it's made me want to do more

00:48:30.409 --> 00:48:33.349
yeah it's made me want to it's made me want to

00:48:33.349 --> 00:48:35.949
do more stuff like that they can have because

00:48:35.949 --> 00:48:37.909
i have my dad's old records and that's really

00:48:37.909 --> 00:48:40.190
cool yeah i love that i want my kids to have

00:48:40.190 --> 00:48:42.730
my records that's why i want to put them on vinyl

00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:44.969
and stuff and Because I think that would be cool

00:48:44.969 --> 00:48:46.429
for them to have down there. I said that to my

00:48:46.429 --> 00:48:48.150
wife two nights ago. I was like, this will be,

00:48:48.250 --> 00:48:50.329
this Lanes record is going to be so cool for

00:48:50.329 --> 00:48:51.989
them, and the Arcs record too, for them to have.

00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:54.590
I say the Lanes because it's their last name.

00:48:54.690 --> 00:48:56.889
Right, yeah. But to have that stuff when they're...

00:48:56.889 --> 00:48:59.070
And it's their uncle and their dad. Yeah, to

00:48:59.070 --> 00:49:01.429
have that stuff when they're growing up. They

00:49:01.429 --> 00:49:04.469
really don't care right now that much about my

00:49:04.469 --> 00:49:07.389
bands. They might always pretend not to. One

00:49:07.389 --> 00:49:09.710
of them pretends not to, and one of them does

00:49:09.710 --> 00:49:13.840
seem to like my bands. Is that important to you?

00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:21.320
I wish they loved it, but it's not really. I

00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.360
don't really hold them to it. I'm just letting

00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.019
them pass through. Yeah. I don't really think

00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:29.300
that much. That's the first time I've ever seen

00:49:29.300 --> 00:49:30.980
another person walk into this room while I've

00:49:30.980 --> 00:49:32.860
been in here, other than breakfast, yeah. Do

00:49:32.860 --> 00:49:35.300
you know what Porch Fest is? I do, yeah, yeah.

00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:37.699
It's coming up here soon. The Lanes played Porch

00:49:37.699 --> 00:49:40.619
Fest at my house probably two or three years

00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:44.750
ago. My son had never heard me play before I

00:49:44.750 --> 00:49:46.809
was this would be great. My son can finally this

00:49:46.809 --> 00:49:50.030
is my oldest son can finally hear us play Because

00:49:50.030 --> 00:49:52.269
we're always playing at clubs at night and when

00:49:52.269 --> 00:49:55.449
he's asleep and so he heard his play and afterwards

00:49:55.449 --> 00:49:58.070
I said I'm thinking he's gonna think I'm the

00:49:58.070 --> 00:49:59.690
coolest dad in the world I'm playing in this

00:49:59.690 --> 00:50:02.309
cool band and after the show I said, what'd you

00:50:02.309 --> 00:50:05.889
think of our band? He said me Soul -crushing

00:50:08.049 --> 00:50:09.969
They always know how to get you, don't they?

00:50:09.989 --> 00:50:12.210
But I think he really liked it. Yeah, yeah. He's

00:50:12.210 --> 00:50:16.590
got a tough exterior, and I think he really cares

00:50:16.590 --> 00:50:18.489
on the inside, but he's got a tough exterior.

00:50:18.670 --> 00:50:20.809
So he's not going to let you know what he's really

00:50:20.809 --> 00:50:22.969
thinking. I think he really probably liked it.

00:50:23.730 --> 00:50:27.969
And I want to jump back, and maybe this is how

00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:31.530
we bring it all full circle. You talked about

00:50:31.530 --> 00:50:35.389
growing up with your dad's records. You briefly

00:50:35.389 --> 00:50:37.519
mentioned it, I should say. Can you talk about

00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.079
that more, how you think that impacted you even

00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.920
now and how that's impacted the way you want

00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.219
to share your music with not just your kids?

00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.880
I just always thought it was so cool that I think

00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.920
I seem to remember even as a kid, I thought it

00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.760
was so cool that my dad played music and he had

00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:00.880
a 45 that he recorded in, I guess around 1980

00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.500
he recorded it. And to have that, it was 1979,

00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.440
I think. Really cool record. I still really love

00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.440
that record, but I don't have a good copy of

00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.159
it. Every copy I have is like so scratchy because

00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.460
none of them had covers. It's just like a stack

00:51:16.460 --> 00:51:20.480
of vinyl records. But they were all over my house

00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.239
growing up because we had hundreds of them. So

00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.639
we probably threw them at each other. The boys

00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.139
threw them at each other and had like frisbees

00:51:29.139 --> 00:51:32.440
and stuff. But I just always thought that was

00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.639
so cool. We've actually covered those songs that

00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:39.400
Possibilities used to. Oh, hell yeah. But he's

00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:40.980
got a lot of other recordings, but that's the

00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:43.480
only thing that's actually on vinyl is that 45.

00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:46.260
But he was in a band called the Younger Brothers

00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:50.239
in the 60s, and they turn up sometimes on those

00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.780
garage rock compilations and stuff. Yeah. There

00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:56.760
was one called Psychedelic States. And we're

00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.260
at State by State. Yeah. And the one on Georgia

00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:01.500
has my dad's band, The Younger Brothers, on it.

00:52:01.619 --> 00:52:03.639
Nice. Yeah. He didn't even know. I told him,

00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.340
I was like, your dad, your band's on this compilation.

00:52:06.980 --> 00:52:09.320
He's like, nobody asked me. I was like, I guess

00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:10.559
they just used it. They probably don't even know

00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.760
how to contact anybody in the band. So it sounds

00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.260
like. Oh, you know what? The Younger Brothers

00:52:15.260 --> 00:52:19.019
had a 45, too. Sorry. That actually, no, you're

00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:20.420
good. I still have that, too. That's exactly

00:52:20.420 --> 00:52:23.119
what I was asking is. It sounds like you had

00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.059
some real connection to these physical objects.

00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:28.699
Yeah. I think that's cool. And it also sounds

00:52:28.699 --> 00:52:30.880
like that's become important to you in the way

00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.460
that you release your music. Certainly. What

00:52:33.460 --> 00:52:36.019
are some of the most important things that you

00:52:36.019 --> 00:52:39.539
want? When you put out a record, what are the

00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:44.239
things that it has to do in terms of packaging?

00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:47.920
Does it need to be on vinyl? Vinyl, for sure.

00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.760
It's important to me. Just because I grew up

00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.920
a vinyl junkie and still a vinyl junkie. Yeah,

00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.119
me too. I just love it. I love the physical.

00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:58.340
The tangible thing. Yeah. The big art. The big

00:52:58.340 --> 00:53:01.420
art and all that stuff I love. I think, yeah,

00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.139
that's important to me. So you put a lot of care

00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:05.840
into that stuff. It seems like if it's just on

00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.780
streaming or even on CD, it just doesn't seem.

00:53:08.980 --> 00:53:11.900
Is it even real? Yeah, because no offense to

00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:13.800
bands that only do that. That's fine. I mean.

00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:16.820
get your music out there is great, period. Yeah,

00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:19.760
yeah. Because CDs, they're so cheap to make.

00:53:19.940 --> 00:53:22.619
It doesn't seem like it's even that big a deal

00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:24.360
for anybody to make a CD, but to make a vinyl

00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:27.260
record seems special. When I talked to J. Roddy

00:53:27.260 --> 00:53:28.980
Walston, and I'm curious what you think about

00:53:28.980 --> 00:53:33.099
this, and I don't know that we have verified

00:53:33.099 --> 00:53:36.179
this statistic, but the vast majority of people

00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:38.840
that buy vinyl don't even have record players.

00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:43.949
Is that right? And that kind of tracks, or they

00:53:43.949 --> 00:53:46.550
might have a record player, but they never actually.

00:53:46.909 --> 00:53:50.949
And they might listen to the record on streaming

00:53:50.949 --> 00:53:56.849
a lot, but just having the physical copy, he

00:53:56.849 --> 00:53:59.269
was a little bit discouraged by that. In the

00:53:59.269 --> 00:54:01.269
sense that it was like, a lot of these people

00:54:01.269 --> 00:54:04.389
just buying junk that eventually they're going

00:54:04.389 --> 00:54:07.110
to clean out of their house or whatever. I'm

00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:11.679
just wondering, like, how important is it? If

00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:13.880
somebody buys your record and they don't own

00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.159
a record player, what is that? I don't even know

00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.539
what I would think of that. It popped into my

00:54:19.539 --> 00:54:21.460
head. I'm just curious. I've never heard of that,

00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.079
buying a record that you don't listen to. I guess

00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.119
obviously it happens. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't

00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.179
bother me. I think a lot of people are like,

00:54:30.260 --> 00:54:33.300
one day I'll have a record player. Yeah, sure.

00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:37.030
And that makes sense to me. I guess. I don't

00:54:37.030 --> 00:54:38.630
know what to say about that. I guess I would

00:54:38.630 --> 00:54:40.829
like people to listen to it, but if they're listening

00:54:40.829 --> 00:54:43.190
to it on streaming, then that's fine too. It's

00:54:43.190 --> 00:54:44.670
almost like you're double dipping that. Yeah,

00:54:44.670 --> 00:54:48.309
I do that a lot. If I'm turned on to a record

00:54:48.309 --> 00:54:49.849
and I listen to it on streaming and I really

00:54:49.849 --> 00:54:52.590
like it, I always get by the vinyl because I

00:54:52.590 --> 00:54:54.309
want to support it. I'm exactly the same way.

00:54:54.349 --> 00:54:57.050
Yeah. I just feel if I'm listening to it a lot

00:54:57.050 --> 00:54:59.489
on streaming, I owe it to the band to buy the

00:54:59.489 --> 00:55:02.929
vinyl. And a lot of the time when you listen

00:55:02.929 --> 00:55:05.610
to it on streaming, it becomes fragmented. And

00:55:05.610 --> 00:55:07.869
when you're driving around or you're hanging

00:55:07.869 --> 00:55:10.409
out with friends or it might be on shuffle and

00:55:10.409 --> 00:55:12.909
when you get the record, you actually have to

00:55:12.909 --> 00:55:14.929
pay attention to it. I say I owe it to the band,

00:55:14.989 --> 00:55:17.170
but usually when I like something on streaming,

00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:18.710
I really want the record. You owe it to yourself.

00:55:18.949 --> 00:55:22.010
Yeah, I really want the record. Because that's

00:55:22.010 --> 00:55:26.530
usually what happens. And there are times I might

00:55:26.530 --> 00:55:28.710
listen to a record a little bit and I like it

00:55:28.710 --> 00:55:32.710
and I don't buy the record. But normally, nine

00:55:32.710 --> 00:55:35.030
times out of ten, if I like a record. I'll go

00:55:35.030 --> 00:55:36.969
buy that. If I like something on streaming, I'll

00:55:36.969 --> 00:55:41.409
go buy the record. So, tell me about the ARX

00:55:41.409 --> 00:55:44.230
record. Tell me about the artwork. Tell me about

00:55:44.230 --> 00:55:49.369
who's... You said Jason Neesmith? He did the

00:55:49.369 --> 00:55:52.130
mastering, yeah. That's done. That's done, yeah.

00:55:52.289 --> 00:55:54.329
We already got the physical copies and we have

00:55:54.329 --> 00:55:58.760
a show coming up. When's the show? 9 -13, September

00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:00.960
13th. This will definitely be out before then.

00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.719
Record comes out September 16th. We'll have him

00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:05.860
at the show, obviously, but it officially comes

00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:09.199
out that following Tuesday. The show's on a Saturday.

00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:10.840
It comes out on Tuesday. Where are you playing?

00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.280
The Nowhere Bar. Hell yeah. Yeah, which he and

00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.780
Jay Gonzalez. And the Guilty Pleasures, which

00:56:16.780 --> 00:56:20.679
I am the bass player in. It sounds like I'm going

00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.960
to be due for another trip to Athens. Yeah, I

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.079
wish you would. Yeah. I was just at Nowhere Bar

00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.079
last night. I fucking love that place. Yeah,

00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:33.639
I love George. He's great. And yeah, I play with

00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:35.679
Jay and Jay's band too. And he asked me, would

00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.320
it be too much to ask if we, because we had already

00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:42.960
asked Jay to open as a solo guy. And he said,

00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.519
would it be too much to ask to do the full band?

00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:49.320
Chris would come to town. And I said, sure. So

00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.719
we're going to do the whole band. Hell yeah.

00:56:51.059 --> 00:56:54.099
Yeah. Jay is like one of the nicest guys. in

00:56:54.099 --> 00:56:57.320
the world and in music and he's just such a i

00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.539
always anytime i get to sing praises about jay

00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:05.119
gonzalez i'll do it yeah the best he he's easy

00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.699
to get along with that is for sure and he's been

00:57:08.699 --> 00:57:12.400
in a band with me so i'm not have i am these

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.239
days but back in the possibilities days i was

00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.760
not so easy to get along with i've seen i've

00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.480
changed my way it seems like you are now for

00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:26.380
sure I was never terrible, but I was more of

00:57:26.380 --> 00:57:30.099
an unhappy person. I wonder how much of it was

00:57:30.099 --> 00:57:34.440
when you cared a lot more about trying to make

00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.380
it. I think you hit the nail on the head, because

00:57:37.380 --> 00:57:39.619
I think with that album we made, Way Out, there

00:57:39.619 --> 00:57:44.059
was a lot of promise. Like the Minus Five, they

00:57:44.059 --> 00:57:47.219
had been helping us out, and they covered one

00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:49.800
of our songs. We just had a lot of good momentum

00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.380
going. Paris Hall Records put it out, and their

00:57:53.380 --> 00:57:57.860
marketing was crazy. Every town we'd go to play,

00:57:58.039 --> 00:57:59.559
the record would be in the stores, there'd be

00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:01.679
an article on the paper. We didn't even know

00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:03.519
where this was coming from. We had nothing to

00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:05.880
do with any of it, but they were just so good

00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.980
to us, and so we just had all this momentum,

00:58:08.139 --> 00:58:12.039
and the tour just didn't go very well. It was

00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:16.340
bad timing. I think a lot of college towns we

00:58:16.340 --> 00:58:19.059
went to were out probably spring break, so everything

00:58:19.059 --> 00:58:23.159
was bad timing. Man, I do really love that record.

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.659
So everybody, go listen to that record. Do yourself.

00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.599
If you do one thing after this, get the Arcs

00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:32.960
record. If you do two things, listen to that

00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.780
Possibilities record. Yeah. And then the Lanes,

00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:38.619
if you do two things, get the Lanes record that's

00:58:38.619 --> 00:58:41.420
coming out soon. If you do three things, go listen

00:58:41.420 --> 00:58:43.340
to that Possibilities record because it is really

00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:45.139
good, man. I love that record. We're all proud

00:58:45.139 --> 00:58:49.039
of that one. We wish people would. catch on to

00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.639
it eventually. It sold some back in the day,

00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.760
but it wasn't a huge hit or anything. But yeah,

00:58:55.940 --> 00:58:57.780
I think there was, like you said, I think you

00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:00.659
nailed it. There was a lot of promise that I

00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:05.099
felt. I was naive, too. I was 20, early 20s,

00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:07.360
thinking we're just going to hit it big. This

00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.059
album's going to be huge. There's a lot of naivety

00:59:10.059 --> 00:59:12.739
going on. It's a lot more fun when you let that

00:59:12.739 --> 00:59:16.159
stuff go, though. Yeah, and I think that kind

00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.409
of played into it. The disappointment of the

00:59:18.409 --> 00:59:21.849
tour not going, and we were not being good to

00:59:21.849 --> 00:59:25.690
each other. Yeah. Fighting, and not physical

00:59:25.690 --> 00:59:29.469
fighting, but arguing and just being, I don't

00:59:29.469 --> 00:59:33.050
know. Yeah, when I hear people in a band talk

00:59:33.050 --> 00:59:34.969
about fighting, I never assume that they're,

00:59:34.969 --> 00:59:37.869
like, beating each other up on stage. That's

00:59:37.869 --> 00:59:40.210
not where my head goes. We're not violent people.

00:59:41.170 --> 00:59:44.510
But I just, the whole thing was disappointing

00:59:44.510 --> 00:59:48.840
to me. I wasn't in a good mental place then.

00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:52.079
But yeah, all that came from Jay being very easy

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:53.579
to get along with because he put up with me in

00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:56.460
those days. And we're still buddies. Yeah, he's

00:59:56.460 --> 01:00:01.019
a sweet guy. That record, is there a single out

01:00:01.019 --> 01:00:03.920
or did Sloan play me something that's not a release?

01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:05.340
Oh, there's three singles out. That's what I

01:00:05.340 --> 01:00:07.480
thought. Because Sloan and I were listening to

01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.800
it on the way to the steakhouse the other night.

01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.489
We put out a song of mine called... She's just

01:00:14.489 --> 01:00:16.690
that kind of girl. And then we put out some of

01:00:16.690 --> 01:00:19.849
those bins called Get Out of Town. And then we

01:00:19.849 --> 01:00:21.409
put out another one of mine called Not In Love.

01:00:21.590 --> 01:00:23.849
That one just came out, I think, last week. Oh,

01:00:23.889 --> 01:00:26.809
yeah. So that's it. And now that's leading up

01:00:26.809 --> 01:00:30.349
to the release. Now, where can people, if they

01:00:30.349 --> 01:00:32.949
don't live here and they can't come see your

01:00:32.949 --> 01:00:35.130
show and buy the record at the show, where can,

01:00:35.309 --> 01:00:37.170
is there, you've got a website you can buy them

01:00:37.170 --> 01:00:40.489
on? They can go to Arfus Records. That's A -R

01:00:40.489 --> 01:00:43.429
-F -U -S. Awesome. There'll be links to all that

01:00:43.429 --> 01:00:45.369
in the description. Yeah, arfisrecords .com.

01:00:45.449 --> 01:00:48.449
Oh, God, I think it's .com. There'll be a link

01:00:48.449 --> 01:00:49.210
in the description. I should be clear about that.

01:00:49.329 --> 01:00:50.550
Yeah, there'll be a link. There'll be a link,

01:00:50.630 --> 01:00:51.929
yeah. But you can pre -order our record there.

01:00:52.170 --> 01:00:56.210
Awesome. Andrew is in charge of that site, and

01:00:56.210 --> 01:00:58.670
he's selling our records there. Is there anything

01:00:58.670 --> 01:01:01.590
else you feel like? God, I could go all day.

01:01:01.670 --> 01:01:04.989
I feel like we could, too. I've got to say, sometimes

01:01:04.989 --> 01:01:09.699
I feel like. It's like both of us want to keep

01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:11.780
talking so long that it were like both exhausted

01:01:11.780 --> 01:01:13.820
by the time so I'm almost in a way I'm almost

01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:15.940
glad that I have hard exits today because I really

01:01:15.940 --> 01:01:18.340
could just sit here and talk. Yeah There's a

01:01:18.340 --> 01:01:21.360
lot we didn't get into a real just real quick

01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:26.059
a really important part of my Music life and

01:01:26.059 --> 01:01:27.719
the possibilities music life was Jack Logan.

01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:29.840
Do you know who Jack Logan is? I'm not familiar

01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.019
No, look into his music. Okay, really good. He

01:01:33.019 --> 01:01:35.019
had a his debut album. What's called bulk came

01:01:35.019 --> 01:01:38.510
out and God, 92, 93, I think, something like

01:01:38.510 --> 01:01:42.070
that. 94, maybe. Double album. His first album's

01:01:42.070 --> 01:01:43.510
a double album. It's all a bunch of recordings

01:01:43.510 --> 01:01:48.210
he did in the 70s and 80s. And he's just, yeah,

01:01:48.269 --> 01:01:50.030
one of the best songwriters I've ever worked

01:01:50.030 --> 01:01:52.769
with. So we were his backing band for a while.

01:01:52.849 --> 01:01:55.690
The whole Possibilities, the five piece. We went

01:01:55.690 --> 01:01:58.670
on tour with him, backing him up. He was a big

01:01:58.670 --> 01:02:02.389
influence on me with songwriting. Just watching

01:02:02.389 --> 01:02:05.530
him work was just... a wonder to me like how

01:02:05.530 --> 01:02:08.349
he did it we would record music and he would

01:02:08.349 --> 01:02:10.829
just put lyric music and melodies and lyrics

01:02:10.829 --> 01:02:13.369
on it like on the spot and they would be great

01:02:13.369 --> 01:02:16.750
like how do you do that like slave over stuff

01:02:16.750 --> 01:02:19.210
and this guy's just like ripping them out like

01:02:19.210 --> 01:02:23.050
it's nothing he's just so talented he doesn't

01:02:23.050 --> 01:02:25.389
live here anymore but he's doing good i talked

01:02:25.389 --> 01:02:29.369
to him recently but we put out one record with

01:02:29.369 --> 01:02:32.389
him called monkey paw that's great it came out

01:02:32.650 --> 01:02:34.210
We were doing it at the same time as Way Out.

01:02:34.329 --> 01:02:35.929
It came out at the same time as Way Out. It's

01:02:35.929 --> 01:02:40.150
like the sister album to Way Out. Jack Logan,

01:02:40.269 --> 01:02:42.190
Monkey Paul is the one we did with him. It also

01:02:42.190 --> 01:02:43.929
came out on the same label as Way Out, so they

01:02:43.929 --> 01:02:46.650
were kind of... Almost like sister records. Yeah.

01:02:47.010 --> 01:02:49.170
That's cool. So check that one out if you find

01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:51.949
it. I definitely will. It's not easy to find.

01:02:52.269 --> 01:02:55.349
It was only on CD, and it's on Spotify, though.

01:02:55.769 --> 01:02:59.050
And you said he really influenced a lot of your

01:02:59.050 --> 01:03:01.210
songwriting, but it sounds like he also influenced...

01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.800
just the kind of the operational stuff sometimes

01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:07.000
too yeah i don't write jack logan style songs

01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.699
right really but just the way he approached things

01:03:09.699 --> 01:03:14.360
of the simplicity is what i learned from him

01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:17.880
is like keeping things so simple really spoke

01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.599
to me and i was like god how did i not see it

01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:22.900
because he would have a song that's just about

01:03:22.900 --> 01:03:28.199
one small thing and every verse would be about

01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.559
that thing. Are you following what I'm saying?

01:03:30.739 --> 01:03:32.880
Yeah, the ability to get so specific that it

01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.199
becomes universal. It's brilliant. Up to that

01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:39.440
point, I felt like my lyrics would just be all

01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.820
over the place and they don't make sense. His

01:03:41.820 --> 01:03:45.400
would be so focused on one. Precise. It could

01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.900
be an insignificant thing, but every verse is

01:03:47.900 --> 01:03:52.579
about that. It's almost like those good directors

01:03:52.579 --> 01:03:56.440
where every scene is there for a reason. Yeah.

01:03:56.619 --> 01:04:01.139
Like every frame of a movie in 2001 is important.

01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.039
He had a song. I love this song. This one's not

01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:06.059
even released anywhere. Just a song that he sent

01:04:06.059 --> 01:04:09.300
me, like a demo. It's called Peter'd Love This.

01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.039
It's about Peter Jesperson. Do you know who Peter

01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:12.980
Jesperson is? Oh, yeah. Replacements manager.

01:04:13.460 --> 01:04:17.380
He was Jack Logan's manager, too. Oh, okay. I

01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:19.519
guess manager. He signed him. He had a record

01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.599
label called Medium Cool that was part of Twin

01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.840
Tone. Yeah. And he signed Jack, and they put

01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:28.219
out that record bulk. But anyways, he has this

01:04:28.219 --> 01:04:31.699
song called Peter'd Love This. And that's just

01:04:31.699 --> 01:04:33.639
what it's about. Every verse is about something

01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:35.860
that Peter would love. And it's just so simple.

01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.400
That's fucking awesome. I heard a beautiful record

01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.340
on the radio. Vocal was dripping with buttery

01:04:41.340 --> 01:04:43.920
soul. I bet Peter'd love this. And then it's

01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:47.480
like driving my dart. He had a Dodge Dart. Driving

01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:49.219
the dart through the countryside. I bet Peter'd

01:04:49.219 --> 01:04:53.679
love this. It's so simple and so great. And it's

01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.659
so specific that it really is universal because

01:04:56.659 --> 01:04:59.440
everybody can relate to that. Yeah, he's just

01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.719
driving his car. I bet he's got his lady by his

01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.000
side. I bet Peter would love this. It's just

01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.599
so simple. So that was a big thing for me with

01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:15.980
Jack. He was very important to my path. If you

01:05:15.980 --> 01:05:19.199
do four things. Check out Jack Clinton. He's

01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:21.739
got a lot of great records. A lot of great records.

01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:25.239
I think they're all probably on Spotify. Or I

01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.780
say Spotify, whatever streaming service. I don't

01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:32.480
mean to pump up one service. Yeah, Spotify. We

01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.559
don't have time to get into all of that, but

01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.519
that's a whole other segment. I hate it and I

01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:39.679
use it. So what do you do about that? Welcome

01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:42.809
to social media. We just got to try and use it

01:05:42.809 --> 01:05:45.130
for good. I think that's, at the end of the day,

01:05:45.130 --> 01:05:46.949
we got to use the billionaire's weapons against

01:05:46.949 --> 01:05:49.130
them. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I buy the

01:05:49.130 --> 01:05:52.409
vinyl records. I try to excuse my use of Spotify

01:05:52.409 --> 01:05:55.570
by supporting the artists by buying their records

01:05:55.570 --> 01:05:59.210
if I like them. Something like Sabbath or something.

01:06:00.170 --> 01:06:02.489
I've bought all those records, so I don't feel

01:06:02.489 --> 01:06:04.909
bad. Well, I mean, especially now. It's not like

01:06:04.909 --> 01:06:10.010
he's getting royalties. Bands like that or Zeppelin.

01:06:10.809 --> 01:06:13.889
Old bands, of course I stream. I don't care about

01:06:13.889 --> 01:06:16.570
that because I've probably bought multiple copies

01:06:16.570 --> 01:06:19.889
of some of those records from Vinyl Fever. Right?

01:06:20.809 --> 01:06:24.710
Man, I think we both said it. I think we could

01:06:24.710 --> 01:06:27.929
talk all day, but Jason is actually on his way

01:06:27.929 --> 01:06:31.150
here in the next few minutes. Oh, cool. We're

01:06:31.150 --> 01:06:33.769
going to talk about the process of mastering

01:06:33.769 --> 01:06:36.550
records and all the other things that Jason has

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done. Oh, Jason Neesmith. I thought you meant

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Jason Gonzalez. Oh, no. I talked to Jay back

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in March or something like that. Back when the

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Sloan Brothers thing, they did that release party.

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That was a lot of fun, but yeah, yeah. Jay, just

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another shout out to Jay Gonzalez, man. He's

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always, he would always come out in the crowd

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to see my kid when I would bring her to shows.

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He's just the sweetest man in the world. He's

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solid, solid dude. Kevin. Fucking awesome talking

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to you, dude. Yeah, I had a good time. Thank

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you. Thanks, man. That was my conversation with

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Kevin Lane. Make sure you check out The Ark's

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new record. Make sure you check out The Possibility's

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Way Out. The Lane's also having a record coming

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out soon. I promise you're going to be hearing

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a lot more about these bands in the next few

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months, not just here. Next week, we got Jason

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Neesmith. which you may have gathered if you

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just heard me mention with Kevin. Jason and I

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had a great conversation. I'm excited for you

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all to hear it. Make sure you go to Nowhere Bar

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this Saturday, the 13th, Athens, Georgia. Check

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out the CD release party for the ARCs, Jay Gonzalez

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and SheHeHe opening. Release party for the arcs,

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Jay Gonzalez and she, he, he opening. If you're

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not in the Athens area, make sure you check out

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the arcs new record. It's called Athens Avenue.

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Hope you guys have a great week. Thanks for tuning

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in to overeducated and underemployed. Make sure

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you hit that like button, that subscribe button,

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hit that donate button. If you feel so inclined

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so I can keep doing this for you. Thanks a lot.