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Welcome to Overeducated and Underemployed. Thanks

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for listening. Got a really exciting episode

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this week. Let me set the stage for you. I went

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to pick up my media pass and everything for AthFest.

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Headed over to where Slightly Famous Somebodies

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was being interviewed by another podcast called

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Joker TV. And so after that interview, we all

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went to this amazing Mexican place. The Airbnb,

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I believe it was, of Jonathan Spencer. And we

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set a mic in the middle of the room and we just

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talked for about 90 minutes. And I got to say,

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it was a lot of fun. I feel like if you have

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half as much fun listening to it as we had just

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talking, then you're going to have a great time

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too. Slightly Famous Somebodies is a super group

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of slightly famous somebodies. They have a cast

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of characters that comes and goes. I spoke with

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four of them. Jonathan Spencer, who you'll recognize

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from a lot of different projects. Laura Wiggins,

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who played Karen on Shameless, among other films.

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Valor Trucks, the son of Butch Trucks, the little

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kid on the cover of Brothers and Sisters, the

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Allman Brothers band album. And then Kane Stanley,

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who's the drummer of Cosmic Charlie and... dozens

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of other Athens, Georgia bands. Cosmic Charlie's

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been a band for 26 years. Grateful Dead tribute

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band. I'll be going back to Athens to catch their

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show next month at the Georgia Theater. Slightly

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Famous Somebodies was playing their first show

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at AthFest the following night. They put on a

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great show. I'll talk more about their show after

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I play you this interview. Stick around for that.

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Here's my interview with slightly famous somebodies.

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Let's dive. We're on overeducated and underemployed.

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I'm here with three slightly famous somebodies,

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which means that you're barely famous. We're

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slightly. We're pie charred. That's fine. No,

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we had a train go by on the interview earlier

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twice, so anything that happens, it's great.

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I don't care. The wheels are already off. I don't

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care about my benefits. I threw it on the ground

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because I'm an adult. And my dad's not a phone.

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Perfect. So I'm just going to start by asking

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you each of your names and why are you slightly

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famous? Okay. Hi, I'm Laura, and I'm a slightly

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famous somebody because I was on Shameless. I'm

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Jonathan's friend. And I'm a singer in the band,

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and sometimes play guitar. Sometimes play guitar.

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And write songs. And a songwriter. And a harmony

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singer. And a lead singer. But that's not singing.

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That's not singing. We kind of, we're like, because

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we're, I don't know, we'll get to that part later.

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How we structure the band. But we're kind of

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like guest stars, recurring, regular. What do

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you need? Do you need to go? On vacation, go

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on vacation. We'll find someone to do your part.

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We're characters that come and go, and people

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watching the show are like, oh, that guy from

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season two is back. Oh, good, a person from season

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one. Oh, I hope they come back next season. So

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it's a fluid ship at sea. I'm Jonathan Spencer.

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I'm slightly famous as Laura's friend, too. Yep,

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true. That's fair. I would say my kind of first

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little thing that a lot of people know is Pineapple

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Express. I'm in the first couple scenes with

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Bill Hader. making him smoke the item, not the

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lazy -eyed scientist. Laura and I were in L .A.

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for almost a dozen years doing TV and such, but

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always something in Philly is one a lot of people

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know as the morgue worker who likes yogurt up

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his ass and a popsicle stick in his mouth. Sorry,

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Mom. Like I do. Like I do, yes. Maybe it was

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improv, maybe it was truth. I don't know. It's

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been a while, so I can't really... answer that

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correctly. It was really, it was Charlie work.

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So it's fine. Yeah, exactly. You're one of those

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people that's been in like so many things like

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briefly. Yeah, exactly. They keep popping up.

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Everybody thinks that they know you. The mentalist.

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Totally. The first season of Mad Men, I was,

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I shared an office with Peggy in the last two

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episodes and currently I can now talk about this

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and I couldn't until a week ago, but we just

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wrapped. Murdoch Murders for Hulu in Atlanta

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at Assembly Studios and that comes out in October

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about the Alex Murdoch Murders in South Carolina

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and it's Mandy Matney's version so it's the version

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yeah the reporter who broke the story of the

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Hilton Head Island Package she's the exec producer

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and it's all based on her podcast Mandy Matney

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and she's she's played by Brittany Snow and all

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my scenes are with her because I'm playing the

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asshole old guard reporter like Citadel type

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guy who tries to steal their steal their story,

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and I'm in there briefly, but yeah, it's cool.

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It was a really fun experience, so I'm excited

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that's coming out. And I've got another feature

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film I just wrapped in New Orleans about four

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months ago called The Designer with Gina Gershon.

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I think that comes out in November, actually.

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Yeah, very slightly, but yeah, here we are. Yeah,

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and it seems like both of you are like... Took

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some time off and dealt with my wife. Absolutely.

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And then you're now getting back into a lot of

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stuff. It's funny how life .com gets in the way

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and you've got to take care of life a little

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bit. But yeah, it really has come full circle,

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literally and metaphorically, for all of us.

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Yeah, things are rolling again. It's like I'm

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still trying to find time to sleep and shower

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now. Things are so busy. So I feel blessed. See,

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I've got a kid who just graduated college. So

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I know Jonathan from iCarly. iCarly. I'm still

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jealous because I wanted to do Disney. I didn't

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Showtime Ron. He was on Disney. Disney. I was

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just pleased. So jealous. What a jerk. I was

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so happy because at that time, I had Carly, 20

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years ago. I was happy that I passed the Disney

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background check, which was like, they send you

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a 35 page report. It costs $400 for them to,

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but once you pass the background check, then

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you get on all the Disney and Nickelodeon shows.

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I really want to make a joke. I'm not going to

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make that. And I just knew the background. How

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does producers pass the background check? I was

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like, how hard could it be? You were fine. Because

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you were like 20 and we were drinking two buck

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chucks. So the background check wasn't that thorough.

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But honestly, if you don't have like real crimes,

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then you're good. So I was happy to have that.

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You didn't get caught. Well, I made a lot of

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copies of the background report that was the

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background check, and I was like, see, I'm a

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good person. And anybody who tells you that is

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probably not a good person. I don't think you've

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actually gotten in trouble for anything. He's

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never gotten in trouble. That's some added value.

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It does. It really does. It's just a rock star.

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Moral credibility. And to show up with your paperwork

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saying you're a good person, that's got to work,

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right? I feel like that's something, like, nerd

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-averted people are, like, that's nerd -averted

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as hell. And I'm like, yeah, that makes total

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sense to me. Here are my papers. I'll give the

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table to Valor in a second, but on that note,

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our entire band is... So we originally were going

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to title the album Athens -ish because it was

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all these Athens -y bands. And we've recently

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changed the title of our debut album is called

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The Spectrum. There you go. Oh, yeah. I stole

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your iCarly thing. Yes, all good. And you got

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to introduce yourself. My name is Valor Trucks.

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My father is Butch Trucks, who's the founding

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drummer of the Allman Brothers Band. My cousin

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is Derek Trucks, who's... front of the Tedesco

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Trucks band, played with Allman Brothers for

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a while. His little brother and my other cousin

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is Dwayne Trucks, who currently plays with Widespread

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Panic and has been recently going out with Umphreys

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McGee. If you are familiar with the 1973 Allman

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Brothers album called Brothers and Sisters, the

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one with Ramblin' Man and Jessica on it, the

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little boy on the cover is me. The little two

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-year -old blonde cute kid in the leaves is Thaler

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on the cover of that album. So my first question

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is, what happened? Time has not been kind to

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this one. Thaler is adorable, y 'all. What are

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you saying? She's not wrong. This is true. She's

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not wrong. Very infectious. Yeah, just make sure

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you give me your Venmo on for me. At least they

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did Nirvani. You're going to kill overalls. A

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little haircut. I play guitar in this band. Jonathan

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and I actually met because during the pandemic,

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look, I'm employed rather gainfully, so I didn't

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want to take any of the few remaining music jobs

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away from gigging musicians, people who actually

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needed the money. But I didn't want to disconnect

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myself from music entirely. So I said, you know

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what? I need to hold myself accountable. I need

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to do something that gets me plugged into the

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music, but is not something that I can sit at

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my desk and say, yeah, I'll do it tomorrow. So

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I made a list of the 24 albums that I should

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have heard by now. We've all got the list. These

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albums that, how have I made it to this old and

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I've never heard Elvis' first album, for example.

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So I made that list and I said, to hold myself

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accountable, I'm going to listen to one a week.

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Exclusively. Multiple times a day. Not just do

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a reaction video, but know the music inside and

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out, and then make about a 15 -minute video talking

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about it. And five years later, I'm still doing

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this thing. It's called The Albums I've Missed.

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It's super fun. I love it. Season four, each

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season I have a different theme. Season two,

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I had my kids suggest all the albums. Season

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three, I inherited a vinyl collection. It was

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a deep dive into that. Season four was user requests.

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And Jonathan was one of the ones that requested

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an album. It was a Donald Byrd album. Called

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Ethiopian Nights is one of his fusion albums.

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The album he made right before Blackbird, which

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is... Blackbird is an enormous album, but it's

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the one he made right before that. So that's

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how I officially met Jonathan. And then he just

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said, hey, we're recording. You want to come?

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And we met on your podcast over Zoom. He was

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interviewing me and we were doing the things.

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That's available on your channel. It's true.

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I'm going to fall asleep tonight. It's good stuff.

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It's quite a good way to start, for sure. Timing

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was... Right. I'm usually interviewing one person

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at a time, and I do a deep dive. And I don't

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think this is just not the time for that. Maybe

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we'll find another time another day. But I will

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ask you all each the question that I start with

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everybody. What is the first song you remember

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loving? I actually have an answer for this. When

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I was two or three years old, when my mom and

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dad were still together. The story goes that

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you could not get me to go to sleep at night

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unless you put Herbie Hancock's Maiden Voyage

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on headphones. Oh, wow. So Herbie Hancock's Maiden

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Voyage is the first song I remember loving. That's

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awesome. Yeah. That's an answer I've not heard

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before either. That's awesome. It could be from

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a different world. I'm still the same five -year

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-old kid jumping around the bedroom to disco

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that I was in 1978. And the one that sticks with

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me is the Kiss disco song. I was made for loving

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you, baby. You were made for loving me. Which

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could easily be, like, Diana Ross. It could be,

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like, if you take the Kiss element out of it,

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it could be, like, any. Warner Brothers could

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have done it. Yeah. Yeah, they did. So when I

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was five and that was out, I wanted the Kiss

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makeup and the platform shoes, but not for all

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the reasons that everybody else did. I liked

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the disco tunes. The only way you're loving me,

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baby, is if you pay a hefty fee. Exactly. Have

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you ever seen any of the Robert Fripp and Toya

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Sunday lunch videos? Yes, I have. They did that

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one with Toya dressed as a big pink dinosaur.

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Oh, hilarious. And the first kind of album that

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i remember was also the first concert that my

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parents took me to which was i think i was five

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or six and it was john denver at the omni in

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atlanta yeah so i knew every word i didn't have

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the words but i knew the john denver album that

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was out at that era any song right here that

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was always in the eight track and dad's wagon

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yeah so yeah yeah somewhere between kiss and

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john denver is your answer for me yeah that was

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awesome yeah i've got a guess too because And

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I always forget the name of it, but there's that

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ELO record where you could play it backwards,

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and it says, the time is always forward, but

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the music is not. return return or something

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like reverse reverse it's really creepy and my

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dad would play it and of course ELO is like big

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dancey like kids love that but then he would

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start to play it backwards and I still don't

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like we have the record I don't have something

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I can play backwards on anymore you can flip

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the mp3 backwards millennials we have a hard

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time that was really easy And they were fucking

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up your needle. They were tongue in cheek. You

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mean go on digital and just go like put it backward.

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And they were making fun of all of that, like

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Satan scare stuff that was going on. You know

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what? That's not as fun. And I can never touch

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the record, of course, because that's really

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hard. You're right. To do the rap. And in other

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words, my dad always sang that Willie Nelson

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song, like, Mama, don't let your babies grow

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up to be cowboys. He sang that every night to

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me because I was like, I just love it. No, I

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think it encouraged me to become like a cowboy.

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He's an attorney, and I'm just like, I don't

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know what I'm doing over here. You've always

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been like 25 % cowgirl. You know. Yeah. Needed.

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Even needed. But as it is too, I wish I could

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remember that ELO song. Do you remember what

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it's called? Which one? The one that you can

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play backwards. Is it Turn to Stone? I think

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it is Turn to Stone. You're right, it is Turn

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to Stone. Because in music, they have all this

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stuff. All I can think about is Little Mickey

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when they play. It sticks backwards and it goes,

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I command you in the name of Lucifer to spread

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the blood of the innocent. No, it's just in the

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movie. Oh, okay. I think you're actually referring

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to this ELO song that you're talking about. There's

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all this stuff that like, Stairway to Heaven

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as like the devil referenced in it. The more

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I've been in the industry, I've said don't really

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believe in the Illuminati. I believe there could

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be like powerful people that think they're doing

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something, but it's so unorganized. I'll cut

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that out for your own protection. If Bill Clinton,

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the most powerful man in the world, couldn't

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keep Monica Lewinsky a secret. Is he? I just

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thought that was something like, they fit all

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this dumb stuff out of there. I'm like, that

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would be cool, but like, I just, humans are so

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disorganized. Well, they've just learned to hide

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and wait a second. Cool. Real cool. Like, we

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didn't care. We didn't care anymore. We're so

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tired right now. After the pandemic and the jobs

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and the inflation. And I'm going to tell you

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something. If you get on a Timu, they will not

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sell you something for a cent. They'll say, you

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can have this bounce house for a dollar. They

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said, for one cent, you can have this because

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you already spent a lot of money. And then they

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trick you again, so just saying. The whole world's

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a scam. It is. That's why we exist, so you can

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get some real honest music. So speaking of honest

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music, at what point did each one of y 'all decide

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you wanted to make music instead of just liking

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it? That may have been super young, I think,

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in probably your case. But maybe not. Maybe not.

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Maybe your way of rebelling is I'm not going

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to touch it. Well, here's the thing about that.

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When I was very young, for Christmas 1972, right,

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so I was two and a half years old, my father

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got me a drum set. And it wasn't a little kid's

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drum set. It wasn't a little toy beginner instrument.

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It was a set of Primo Bebop Camco drums. And

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I still own them. They're still in my studio

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to this day. But when I was two years old, I

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got good enough at it that my tiny brain says,

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okay, I know how to do this. Let's go do something

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else. So the drums started gathering dust. And

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over the years, I cycled through a bunch of instruments.

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I took piano lessons. I took harmonica lessons.

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I played tenor sax in the junior high band. My

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mom got remarried, and the man that she remarried

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was a guitar player. And so he taught me a couple

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of chords on a guitar. And we had these sheet

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music books in the house. And I said, this pattern

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of dots looks like the shape my fingers make

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when I make this chord. It's got the same name.

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So I taught myself all the songs and all of those

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song books. And then I've just been on guitar

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ever since. But since I've gone through the process

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of learning sheet music, learning theory, taking

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lessons, everything else. I'm autodidactic when

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it comes to music. I can play about 15 different

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instruments. Including melodica? Yeah, I play

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some melodica today. So yeah, but I made a decision

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because my father is who he is, right? So here's

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the thing. This is a digression, and I don't

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usually go into stuff like this. I graduated

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high school in 1988. The Allman Brothers got

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together in 1969. They broke up for a time in

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the mid -70s, got back together, then broke up

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for an extended period in 82, and didn't get

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back together and start touring again until 89.

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So my entire high school year would have been

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real nice to have a rock star dad. No one gave

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a heck about the Allman Brothers. Interesting.

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Any time it would have been really useful to

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say, hey, you want to know who my dad was? You

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want to go see a show? Nothing like that. In

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fact, he was not financially, none of the Allman

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Brothers were doing real well in the 80s. So

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during my formative years, when I was looking

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around at these guys that were supposed to be

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big stars, they broke the world attendance record.

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Watkins Glen, New York, the Allman Brothers,

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the Grateful Dead, and the band broke the record

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set by Woodstock for the largest crowd. And in

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1983, he's living in a trailer, mowing the yards

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and working for like a stereo company. And so

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I made a decision when I graduated high school,

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music will always be part of my life. Music will

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always be something that I do, but I won't ever

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make it my primary means of living because it's

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like the difference between baseball and figure

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skating. With baseball, you can point your statistics.

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This is how well I field, how well I hit, how

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well I run. Pay me based on that. With figure

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skating, you can do everything perfect, and if

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one of the judges don't like you, you don't get

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a perfect score. I have other means of making

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a living, but music, I get to choose my gigs.

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I get to be selective about the music I play.

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And that's just a decision I made when I was

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18, and I'm stuck to it. Hence how being slightly

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famous is a good thing, actually. And Ruben's

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got slightly more famous. I was having a hard

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day, honestly. I got an extra career. And when

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you told me that, I was like, that actually freed

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me up a lot. I feel like we're always so tempted

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to try to, it's got to be up here. But it actually

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can hurt you because now all of a sudden you're

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playing into not what. You like what's good.

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You're not hitting what you want to hit. You're

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just hitting... I have two little girls, too,

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so it starts to change. You're like, I don't

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want to do it. It can be a very crazy game when

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you're trying to keep up with... I feel like

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everybody in the band, one of the cool things,

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everybody's been close enough to the industry

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to know what it is. It's not a bad place, but

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you're not... It's not Athens, Georgia, I'll

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tell you that. This place is fun. The Atlanta

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music's fun, but it's not that. When you know

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enough to know how close you want to be to it

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or how far you want to be from it, it seems like

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all of you seem to be very intentional about

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how you navigate what projects you might choose,

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what you even want to be doing in the first place.

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And I think all acknowledge that's a privilege.

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But also, it allows you to really only do projects

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that you actually care about. In the film world,

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I just do whatever they offer me half the time.

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Honestly, but in the music world, I'm like, all

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right. Well, you want to keep your agent. They

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get mad. So we've been joined by your drummer.

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Finally. He's not doing it. He was taking care

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of business. I know, we sent him out on a thing.

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But I've been out there. I've been in the field.

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I've been in the field. It's looking good out

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there. Yeah, I was there for the first band.

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And we're at AFS 2025. Yeah. Slightly famous

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somebody's are playing tomorrow. It's Friday

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night. The fest just kicked off this evening.

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And there's electricity in here, I think. Is

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that fair to say? It's the solstice. And if anybody

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comes to our show, I'm going to put a spell on

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y 'all. It's going to be a good spell. It's fair

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tomorrow. And Bailey's birthday is the solstice.

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It's true. And I got a song called Hidden Track.

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We're going to put a spell on everybody. We're

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going to get out of our way this time. It's true.

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We're getting there. We're going to quit lying

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to ourselves and start going out the door. So

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can you introduce yourself and tell us why you're

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slightly famous? I'm Kane Stanley. That's one

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thing I'm sure of. I'm not sure if it's a claim

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to fame, but I'm an Athens, Georgia native, and

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I've been here playing music for over 30 years.

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I did spend some time away from Athens before

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college, and I came back up here to go to school,

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and really I just wanted to play music, and I

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got a degree while I was doing it, and I've been

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playing ever since. And I've probably played

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in more bands than there are Letters of the Alphabet

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out of Athens. And I've toured the country several

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times playing music. And you'll be touring this

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summer with... Cosmic Charlie is the group that

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I've been playing with the most out of that time.

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It's a Grateful Dead tribute based out of Athens.

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We started in 1999. So the band turns 26 this

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summer. Last summer, we did a national tour.

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We ended up all the way out in Orcas Island.

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We were in the just outer banks of Washington

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State, and we drove all the way across the country.

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It was so beautiful. And this summer, we're going

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up the East Coast. We're going up into New York

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and Providence. We're going into Rhode Island,

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and then we're doing the Midwest. We do a lot

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of that, and then we still have time for our

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families and our lives. So it's been good to

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be in a band like that, and it has really helped

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me build my chops. We play improvisational shows

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based on the music of the Grateful Dead, but

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we don't use set lists. Oh, cool. And there's

00:23:07.869 --> 00:23:10.289
two drummers. We always do a big drum feature,

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which people come to see, and that's something

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I really enjoy doing. But it helped me build

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my chops because our shows are two sets. They

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clock in over three hours, and there's a 20,

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15 -minute drum solo there. That's the intermission?

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That's when the band goes and takes a break and

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leaves me out there. They take a break. They

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leave us out there. We have to play our way out

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of it. You want to give people their entertainment's

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worth. I've seen the Grateful Dead several times

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back in the 90s. I was lucky enough to see them.

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I feel it's something we want to share with the

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world. That has really trained me to be a...

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professional musician I've toured multiple clubs

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and cities and I'm bringing that to this group

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and that music is vast and it's there's so many

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different genres it's there's a Americana genre

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there's there was a disco genre there's jazz

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there's this jazz infusion and rock and all the

00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:16.480
other bands I've played in I toured with this

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funk band out of Atlanta called Entropy for about

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12 years and Did a lot of the shrimp and grits

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circuit with them. Instead of the chitlin' circuit,

00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:27.880
we called it the shrimp and grits circuit. The

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bougie circuit. Yeah, Savannah Charleston, get

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up and down Jacksonville. Jacksonville. It's

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in Florida. Yeah, we got into Jacksonville. But,

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like, locally, I've had a lot of different things

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going on. I had a Brazilian jazz trio going for

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about 12 years called Cachaca, and that was really

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fun. And I've just, this, being in Athens, it...

00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.019
has so many opportunities to play music but it's

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like you were saying when i walked in it's good

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to be able to pick and choose and make sure it's

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like really fulfilling because that's that's

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really if you're out there and you're schlepping

00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:04.519
your instrument around and you're dealing with

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parking and insane night life you want to make

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sure it's good for your soul yeah yeah that's

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what i like about the groups that i've been playing

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with and one interesting thing with slightly

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famous somebody's Aside from the 30 -year relationship

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I've had with Jonah is that I've met a lot of

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great people through it that are slightly famous.

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But also, I've met some really great players

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and some really great people. And I can tell

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that they're all genuine and people I would actually

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want to be around. And we don't tour. And we

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have pretty much just been doing studio work.

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And that is pretty much, in my opinion, after

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touring and burning up the road for almost 30

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years. I love that. I love going to a studio,

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half the time there's drums already set up and

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tuned for me. All I got to do is sit down and

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think about making it the best I can. And we

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have really put a lot of energy into that. Absolutely.

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We've organically found a formula that works

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for everybody, that doesn't overcommit anyone.

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And for example... John Neff started as just

00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:09.980
like a guest pedal steel player, but he loved

00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:12.140
the project and we loved everything he was doing.

00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:14.660
And just as we added singles. What's not to love

00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:17.359
about John Neff? Yeah. So we don't sit around

00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.420
and plan what's next. We just like organically

00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:22.240
flow. We pick the song and then we flow into

00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.619
the next bit and see where it's at. And we learned

00:26:24.619 --> 00:26:28.509
that like. Neff plays best in his pajamas or

00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:31.750
his boxers at home at 3 in the morning. So he

00:26:31.750 --> 00:26:34.130
listens to the song and rehearses with us once

00:26:34.130 --> 00:26:35.789
and then goes home and does his bit and phones

00:26:35.789 --> 00:26:43.089
it in and it's perfect. That's how he plays best.

00:26:43.230 --> 00:26:46.410
It works for us wonderfully. So we always leave

00:26:46.410 --> 00:26:49.730
space for him to bring his color back in. I love

00:26:49.730 --> 00:26:54.250
hearing it. psychedelic pedal steel. It is psychedelic

00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:55.670
pedal steel with intention. I can't wait for

00:26:55.670 --> 00:26:57.690
you guys to hear some of the tracks we're sitting

00:26:57.690 --> 00:26:59.789
on. I'm excited to hear it. He's been one of

00:26:59.789 --> 00:27:03.450
my favorite players for 20 years, so I'm excited

00:27:03.450 --> 00:27:06.109
any time he's working with anybody. I started

00:27:06.109 --> 00:27:08.349
talking to y 'all not even knowing that he was

00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:12.250
working with y 'all. He works with so many people.

00:27:12.549 --> 00:27:15.289
He's a throwback character too. He's like a pedal

00:27:15.289 --> 00:27:19.450
steel guy from 71. He's just the real deal. Is

00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:22.970
it closet? Two -life crew fan. Oh, yeah. See

00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:24.970
him get excited. Pull up some two -life crew

00:27:24.970 --> 00:27:27.289
videos. It brings out a whole side of him. We

00:27:27.289 --> 00:27:30.410
do have a big screen behind us tomorrow. That

00:27:30.410 --> 00:27:33.730
would confuse a lot of people. Should we play

00:27:33.730 --> 00:27:35.490
in front of a two -life crew video? Right before

00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:37.829
he has to go play with the bad scenes, too. It'll

00:27:37.829 --> 00:27:39.769
just cause conflict for no reason. I want to

00:27:39.769 --> 00:27:44.059
go do my job. Show's on. He just turns around

00:27:44.059 --> 00:27:48.680
and he just doesn't move. We can play that pedal

00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.859
still. I was in Tallahassee during the whole

00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:53.480
music censorship labeling too light proof thing.

00:27:53.619 --> 00:27:58.019
I actually organized protests and hearings in

00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:02.259
the Tallahassee Capitol building to try and keep

00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:04.960
Florida lawmakers from putting these giant yellow

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.859
labels on any album that they considered obscene.

00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.000
And you were in Zappa when you spoke to Congress.

00:28:12.819 --> 00:28:15.079
He was putting out instrumental music. Yeah,

00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.240
at the time. Even though we're about the same

00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.819
age, I feel like they put that stuff on the record,

00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.339
so we're like, we need to get that. We want that.

00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.420
That's true. That was good. It was at least going

00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:28.680
to piss off our heads. Let's give it a listen

00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.220
now. A lot of life's best things start as an

00:28:31.220 --> 00:28:33.279
idea to piss off your bear. I'm wondering how

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.859
many people... got into the Limp Bizkit and Marilyn

00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.279
Manson just because it had that sticker. Definitely

00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:46.559
not me. There was like a weird album. Are we

00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.299
going to have to put a sticker on our album?

00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.789
Only because of the nudity. I will say, albums

00:28:53.789 --> 00:28:56.589
and records used to be cassettes in the 80s for

00:28:56.589 --> 00:28:59.490
me. Tuesday was the record release day. That

00:28:59.490 --> 00:29:01.849
was my day. Before drugs and alcohol, Tuesday

00:29:01.849 --> 00:29:04.369
new records was my biggest high I could possibly

00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:07.650
get at age 12, 13. And I would always have my

00:29:07.650 --> 00:29:09.710
mom drive me to Turtles Records and Tapes in

00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:12.609
Atlanta on Tuesday evening and go get a new release

00:29:12.609 --> 00:29:15.410
or look at the new release. I was about 12 when

00:29:15.410 --> 00:29:18.130
I got super obsessed with Led Zeppelin, not just

00:29:18.130 --> 00:29:20.069
the radio, but it started to be like the deep

00:29:20.069 --> 00:29:23.529
cut. 12 -year -old who's... So imagine a 12 -year

00:29:23.529 --> 00:29:25.609
-old boy explaining Led Zeppelin to his mother

00:29:25.609 --> 00:29:29.769
and then putting on Whole Lotta Love in her 83

00:29:29.769 --> 00:29:33.150
Peugeot and making her listen to the Whole Lotta

00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:35.450
Love break. Wait, Mom, no, we have to listen

00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:38.549
to this before we drive home. So yeah, that pissing

00:29:38.549 --> 00:29:41.049
off the parents for me was being 12 and making

00:29:41.049 --> 00:29:43.410
them listen to Led Zeppelin. My mom took me to

00:29:43.410 --> 00:29:47.230
see the South Park movie when I was 13. It was

00:29:47.230 --> 00:29:50.960
fucking cool. I'm all these fucking cool. I will

00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.460
say amen to that. And my mom is too. She's going

00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:55.480
to sing with us tomorrow, actually. We're used

00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.220
to cool parents. My mom got me into Hendrix.

00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:59.640
I'm sorry, Mommy. I love you. I love you too.

00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:01.720
I'm not sure which one of us was traumatized

00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.859
more by that experience. When the giant clitoris

00:30:05.859 --> 00:30:07.980
came out and started talking, thankfully she

00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:10.160
left to go to the restroom or something when

00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.319
Saddam started pulling out the rest of her penis.

00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:14.839
So I didn't have to say that. Wait, are we still

00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.539
talking about South Park or no? I don't know

00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:19.339
anymore. Kane, back to you for just a second.

00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.079
There's one question we went around the room

00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.240
with that I'd love to ask you, too. What's the

00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.759
first song that you remember loving as a kid?

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:31.460
Oh, man. Purple Haze. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah,

00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.299
my mom had an awesome music collection, and some

00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:37.079
of it was, like, in a special little area, and

00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.680
I started crawling through it, and I found Hendrix

00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.359
Smash Hits or something. Smash Hits, of course.

00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.359
It blew me away, and then... I loved guitar before

00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.400
I ever played drums. I just didn't have the patience

00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.220
to learn it. And I focused on drums, which takes

00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:55.220
a hell of a lot of patience, too. But I just

00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.839
started playing music, and I was like, oh, you're

00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.420
the drummer, you're the drummer. And I didn't

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:02.460
really write music on guitar now, and I taught

00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:06.299
myself. It took me until I was 30 to start playing,

00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:10.160
and I'm 48 now. If you're a good drummer, like...

00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:12.930
Sometimes people just make you do that. You're

00:31:12.930 --> 00:31:16.710
obligated to keep the shit. You can keep it in

00:31:16.710 --> 00:31:19.170
the pocket and you show up on time. Those are

00:31:19.170 --> 00:31:22.329
two things on my resume. Those are things that

00:31:22.329 --> 00:31:25.650
a lot of people take for granted. Those are rare

00:31:25.650 --> 00:31:29.490
qualities and are super important for a drummer.

00:31:29.789 --> 00:31:31.789
Knowing when to be able to hold back, knowing

00:31:31.789 --> 00:31:36.640
when to show off. Sure enough. And being consistent.

00:31:36.859 --> 00:31:40.579
Back in 1994 and 1995 in Athens, I had a house

00:31:40.579 --> 00:31:43.200
on Saxon Woods Drive, which I'm not related to

00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:44.920
John Spencer from the Blues Explosion, and I

00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:46.559
always go by Jonathan. I've never been a John.

00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:48.880
But everybody in Athens called that house the

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.460
John Spencer House Explosion because it was a

00:31:51.460 --> 00:31:53.700
five -bedroom house with a full basement that

00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.079
we had seven bands practicing in twice a week.

00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:59.140
So it was nonstop. It was dirt, weed, and jams

00:31:59.140 --> 00:32:01.259
24 -7. That place was slightly famous. It was.

00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.519
Before any of us had any... real job and the

00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.799
rent from the band's practicing paid the rent

00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.019
on my house for years and so many people came

00:32:09.019 --> 00:32:11.160
and went then but kane i don't even know if kane

00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.940
knows this but So we had tons of everybody wanting

00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:16.079
to turn their Marshall stack up and the mega

00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:17.720
drum kits and everybody beating the crap out

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:19.819
of the drums. And Kane would come over with his

00:32:19.819 --> 00:32:22.839
maple kit. And your nickname was Maple Touch.

00:32:23.019 --> 00:32:25.000
I was like, this song, we need Kane because he's

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.200
the touch guy. He's not the hammers breaking

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.579
the skins playing as loud as he possibly can

00:32:31.579 --> 00:32:33.640
all the time. And we were like, and Reed too.

00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:35.660
Reed was around then. He was like, we need the

00:32:35.660 --> 00:32:39.000
Maple Touch. Call Kane. That's 30 years ago,

00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:41.200
brother. Yeah, you've been sitting on that one

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:42.839
for a while. You're able to touch. You still

00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.400
are. That might be one of the biggest compliments

00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.759
of a drummer. Especially considering I was 20

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.759
years old. I've been trying to work slowly back

00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.900
into this movie. I know we've got better stories,

00:32:54.940 --> 00:32:57.180
but I do think one of the biggest credits of

00:32:57.180 --> 00:33:01.079
this band is there's not... every single person,

00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.400
you will have a moment where you just zone out

00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.119
listening to their instrument. And I think it's

00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.259
just the coolest freaking thing, whether it's

00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:10.680
like Kane bringing some like jazz into it or

00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.339
just really heavy metal going on with that guitar.

00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.039
We got like... ethereal like we got it all and

00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.539
it's really been Jonathan's bass lines are just

00:33:19.539 --> 00:33:22.700
they're leading they bring the turnarounds like

00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:25.160
nobody has phoned it in apparently except for

00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.720
John Neff which I think is hilarious because

00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:31.039
he is literally we were just giving him shit

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.579
yesterday but like his stuff if you listen this

00:33:33.579 --> 00:33:37.460
is iconic shit I think the first rule of nicknames

00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:39.460
you can't love your nickname and the second rule

00:33:39.460 --> 00:33:41.079
is you can't choose it yourself and the third

00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.099
rule is it's got to sting just a tiny bit but

00:33:43.099 --> 00:33:45.200
from a good place Yeah. So I think Neff's new

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.240
nickname might be Pajama Neff because he likes

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.339
to record in his pajamas and that's what works

00:33:51.339 --> 00:33:54.740
unbelievably well for him. Pajama Neff. That's

00:33:54.740 --> 00:34:00.400
what comes of this. Pajama Neff. Plus, Neff,

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.339
buddy, if you're listening to this, I just made

00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.240
it so he can always record in his pajamas so

00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.259
he won't hate me. I know, right? That's brilliant.

00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.250
Thank you. That's me. Send me the track. I'm

00:34:11.250 --> 00:34:15.650
in my pajamas. I was first of all had a long

00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:17.449
day of like where you just keep trying to eat.

00:34:17.469 --> 00:34:19.510
You don't need anything. Just everything is pushing

00:34:19.510 --> 00:34:22.409
against you. So instead of being mad, I was just

00:34:22.409 --> 00:34:25.489
let myself be weird as I could be. And I just

00:34:25.489 --> 00:34:28.369
remember the first time I met Neff being like,

00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:30.690
he was like, what am I? My stuff's like over

00:34:30.690 --> 00:34:34.019
your vocals. And I was like, no. I should not

00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:40.079
mess up your vocals. You are a legend. This was

00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.800
awesome. This is the Laura I've been for a long

00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:44.340
time. And then he's sitting over there and he's

00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:45.900
like, Laura, it doesn't work that way. And I'm

00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:48.860
like, that's a stupid rule. You're making a John

00:34:48.860 --> 00:34:52.280
Neff album today. Whatever you said. Your coaching

00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.320
work. It is Neff Fest. I'm a big fan of all these

00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.619
people. Somebody buy NeffFest .com for $18. I'm

00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:03.219
going to buy it before this airs. We have to

00:35:03.219 --> 00:35:06.460
roll over. I'm going to start a tribute band

00:35:06.460 --> 00:35:11.380
called Neffs and Neffs. Neffs and Neffs. That's

00:35:11.380 --> 00:35:13.539
the best one right there. And everybody in the

00:35:13.539 --> 00:35:17.340
show has to wear or play pajamas. I got no problem

00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:20.429
with that. People's face all over the place.

00:35:20.750 --> 00:35:24.840
Jolly's face all over. I believe. Nice. He's

00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.980
going to be like, man, I'm so sorry I missed

00:35:26.980 --> 00:35:28.659
the podcast. I was like, dude, you're the star

00:35:28.659 --> 00:35:31.539
of the podcast. I'm supposed to talk to you tomorrow

00:35:31.539 --> 00:35:35.300
or Sunday, so I'm not going to tell him any of

00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:38.900
this. Wear your pajamas. He'll be in his pajamas.

00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:40.639
But he should remember that thing because I was

00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:43.099
still like, no, I don't know. I don't want to

00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:45.659
be messing with your stuff up with my stuff.

00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:49.420
Sometimes I don't like those rules. I don't know.

00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.289
It worked. Whatever. It was fun. Him trying to

00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:56.710
be great. Me and Baylor, like, were, it sounded

00:35:56.710 --> 00:35:58.809
very musical, very young. Yeah, I definitely

00:35:58.809 --> 00:36:02.650
was, yeah. Same. Yeah. And you, Jonathan and

00:36:02.650 --> 00:36:06.570
Laura, have started more with acting, and, or

00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:08.550
have you always been into music? Tell me, like,

00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:11.710
I like my little, my little jingle -jangle line

00:36:11.710 --> 00:36:13.369
I like to say. It's a great question. My little

00:36:13.369 --> 00:36:15.789
jingle -jangle answer to that is that I've always

00:36:15.789 --> 00:36:18.469
done both music and acting with equal passion

00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:21.980
and vigor. It's just the world has paid. attention

00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:25.760
to one or the other at their own at their own

00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.280
pace right and it's rarely both at the same time

00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.380
and this right now this very minute is the first

00:36:30.380 --> 00:36:32.679
time in my life where both are converging at

00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.400
the same time and you're getting like yeah I

00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.159
was acting for 20 years before I made one dollar

00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.539
acting I was in all the musicals and all the

00:36:41.539 --> 00:36:43.860
plays in all the high school and community theater

00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.320
and To be honest, I just like hanging out with

00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.039
the girls and building sets and getting good

00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.039
at listening to all their problems. And half

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.440
the dudes didn't care about the girls, so the

00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.940
odds were good for a chubby kid like me. It worked

00:36:57.940 --> 00:37:00.159
out, and I got to be the cheerleader's best friend.

00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.019
So that's the thing. The odds are good, but the

00:37:02.019 --> 00:37:06.900
goods are odd. But when I was 13, I may have

00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:12.440
not known the major scale. Sorry, guys. No, you

00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.280
can't hold that one back. That one goes. I'm

00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.820
going to steal that. I'm going to steal that.

00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:24.690
Freaking nailer over there. Sorry. No, I'll come

00:37:24.690 --> 00:37:29.230
back out in his mouth. His guitar is beautiful.

00:37:29.510 --> 00:37:33.050
He got all kinds of stuff. We have a little acronym.

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:35.269
Laura and I have a life acronym that we've shared

00:37:35.269 --> 00:37:38.210
with the band, NSBR, which is Never Stop Being

00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:41.030
Ridiculous. Don't let anybody steal your ridiculous

00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:44.369
and tame your instincts. Embrace it. Don't get

00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:47.389
mad. Get weird. We don't shush each other ever.

00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:51.630
Don't get mad. Get weird. Channel your weirdness

00:37:51.630 --> 00:37:55.329
into an illusion of creativity. Yeah, sometimes

00:37:55.329 --> 00:37:57.030
you gotta let someone know what's up. It's okay

00:37:57.030 --> 00:37:58.989
to be mad sometimes. That's the moment where

00:37:58.989 --> 00:38:00.570
you're like, it's okay to have our late feelings.

00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:03.929
Sometimes you're like, gosh, I must be weird

00:38:03.929 --> 00:38:06.610
about it. Here we go. Because I started in an

00:38:06.610 --> 00:38:08.590
abandoned heist moment. Jonathan, we were called

00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:11.670
Irrational, spelled with an E. We were taking,

00:38:11.789 --> 00:38:16.730
like, Backstreet Boys and, like, Cobra Starship.

00:38:17.409 --> 00:38:20.269
And all these, like, we had changed the words

00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:22.909
to, like, she's too stoned. It was, like, all

00:38:22.909 --> 00:38:26.949
about Mario, Nintendo. I just saw that band reunite,

00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:30.090
like, last fall, American Hi -Fi. Because I never

00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:31.989
thought I could weasel it into a conversation

00:38:31.989 --> 00:38:34.750
again. When I met Laura Slade -Wiggin, she was

00:38:34.750 --> 00:38:37.469
17, a senior in high school, and she auditioned.

00:38:37.469 --> 00:38:39.889
I was a casting director for a small movie in

00:38:39.889 --> 00:38:42.630
Atlanta called Dance of the Dead. And Laura had

00:38:42.630 --> 00:38:44.550
done a table read of the script, and she came

00:38:44.550 --> 00:38:48.320
in and auditioned for the movie. And it wasn't

00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:50.960
her read itself. Like auditions, in -person auditions

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.519
always begin with a little bit of small talk.

00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.539
And she came in, we had the director, the writer,

00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:58.119
and myself, the casting director. We had the

00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.760
auditions at my church, Holy Innocence. And Laura

00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:03.840
comes in and we start the small talk and we're

00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:05.920
like, what's going on? How's your day? And the

00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:07.880
first thing she says, my band just played on

00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:11.079
the roof of the Waffle House in Athens. We're

00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:16.099
like... Like U2? Wait, what? Yeah. Not like U2.

00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.280
Like what? Trying to get a giant bass amp? From

00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.800
the Waffle House? Here's someone playing on the

00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.500
roof and your first instinct is U2 and not the

00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:28.320
Beatles. It's this little girl who can barely

00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:33.599
play the bass. We had to put Jacob's drum kit

00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:38.619
on there. It was U2 played on the roof of a Waffle

00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:41.010
House. And, like, they don't work there, so it

00:39:41.010 --> 00:39:42.630
doesn't matter. But, like, they were, like, we

00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:44.750
were best friends with them. Rick and Renata

00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:47.030
were our people, and we would sneak out of our

00:39:47.030 --> 00:39:50.030
house to go to the Waffle House in Oconee. And

00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:52.530
she, like, pitched, like, rotten tomatoes to

00:39:52.530 --> 00:39:54.889
us. And she was like, sure, put your stuff up

00:39:54.889 --> 00:39:56.670
there. But when the police came, they were, like,

00:39:57.349 --> 00:39:59.090
confused. They were, like, getting down. The

00:39:59.090 --> 00:40:02.809
police came down. If you say so. Wild cherry.

00:40:02.969 --> 00:40:08.320
One, two, three. I think it was one year before

00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.719
everyone started suing everybody for everything

00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.199
in the world, but we got away with it. It was

00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.340
funny. Did you base your set list on the Waffle

00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:18.440
House jukebox? Yeah, but we had a lot of loves

00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.159
in those. We have some love for the Waffle House

00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.340
jukebox. Look, I can't play very many songs anymore.

00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:26.170
I'm a Canadian mom. I'm actually like... My dad,

00:40:26.309 --> 00:40:29.150
Ronnie Millsap, 8 -track, is burned in my head

00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:32.769
forever of life. Ronnie's got a couple of Waffle

00:40:32.769 --> 00:40:36.130
House kids. My sister and I went to school with

00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:39.820
Ronnie Millsap's kid. Oh, boy. She did. Yeah,

00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:42.400
no, we lived in Nashville for a while, and I

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.940
went to a private school up there called Franklin

00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:45.639
Broad Academy, which is a performing arts school.

00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.639
Yeah. I've heard of Franklin. That's a Rudolph

00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.840
song. I don't mean to call you that. No, here's

00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.840
another one. I told you who my dad and my cousin

00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.239
are. My godfathers, the two people who were there

00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.320
to be my godfathers when I was baptized, Spooner

00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.559
Oldham and Dan Pence. Spooner Oldham. Spooner's

00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.150
the man. Spooner's the man. Yeah. The man who

00:41:08.150 --> 00:41:11.170
played the Rhodes intro at the beginning of Aretha

00:41:11.170 --> 00:41:13.070
Franklin's Never Never Demand the Way That I

00:41:13.070 --> 00:41:15.630
Love You. One of the Swampers from Muscle Shoals.

00:41:15.789 --> 00:41:19.110
Oh, wow. We synchronized the show in Tallahassee

00:41:19.110 --> 00:41:21.989
one time as part of a music festival. Spooner

00:41:21.989 --> 00:41:24.309
came down. Uncle Donnie Fritz before he passed

00:41:24.309 --> 00:41:28.170
away. David Lillard. And they played a bunch

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:30.429
of Eddie Hinton songs. Oh, I love Eddie Hinton.

00:41:30.489 --> 00:41:34.489
And it was just super, super random that it happened

00:41:34.489 --> 00:41:38.679
in Tallahassee. Every time I see Chuck, I just

00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:40.980
tell him how, and I don't even know how that

00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:45.519
happened. But, man, yes, dinner was really important

00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.820
to me for a long time. Wow. We were living in

00:41:48.820 --> 00:41:51.300
Nashville. We used to spend probably every other

00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:53.900
weekend at Squinter and Karen's house. Wow. Wow.

00:41:55.300 --> 00:41:58.659
That's so amazing. This weekend, y 'all are playing

00:41:58.659 --> 00:42:01.260
your, is it your first show? It's our first show.

00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.019
Our first show ever. Ever. Yeah. As the Slightly

00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:06.400
Famous Somebodies, or even like all, like the

00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.659
two of y 'all played together 20 years ago. And

00:42:08.659 --> 00:42:10.179
I haven't played since the Waffle House. No,

00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.159
we've played, I haven't played in a long time.

00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.039
It's been a while. But yeah, in Los Angeles,

00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.320
Laura and I were there about a dozen years. And

00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.860
we had, we had a little like comedy rock duo.

00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.260
We'd go out and freak people out and dress silly

00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:24.030
and do silly songs. But. They've morphed and

00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:27.250
changed. And two of the songs on our record are

00:42:27.250 --> 00:42:31.050
sourced from that band in 2008. Oh, cool. And

00:42:31.050 --> 00:42:33.250
obviously they've enriched and become something

00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:35.750
completely new, lyrically and musically, since

00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:39.309
then. But yeah, it's good. It's not just full

00:42:39.309 --> 00:42:41.750
circle. It's like our reinvention and a new growth

00:42:41.750 --> 00:42:44.369
of what was before. But there's a lot more hope

00:42:44.369 --> 00:42:46.570
than there was. That's serious. And these two

00:42:46.570 --> 00:42:48.369
are like, they're actually rock stars. They're

00:42:48.369 --> 00:42:50.469
this close. Then they'd be really famous. If

00:42:50.469 --> 00:42:52.550
they were famous, then they'd have to start a

00:42:52.550 --> 00:42:54.510
new band. They'd have to be like, we're a really

00:42:54.510 --> 00:42:57.289
famous band. I'm not in that band. Reminds me

00:42:57.289 --> 00:43:00.690
of... You'll see. You'll see. Being slightly

00:43:00.690 --> 00:43:04.210
famous might be better than being fully famous.

00:43:04.510 --> 00:43:06.409
Oh, yeah. Would y 'all agree with that? When

00:43:06.409 --> 00:43:07.510
I wanted to get into college, yes. Don't know

00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:10.070
what it's like to be fully famous. When you're

00:43:10.070 --> 00:43:13.380
38... Yeah, but it seems like there's a lot of

00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.860
consequences to that. It's more tongue -in -cheek

00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:17.860
for me, but for Lauren Baylor, they've actually

00:43:17.860 --> 00:43:20.320
had to deal with things in life, good and bad.

00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:22.679
I don't want to speak on your behalf, but they

00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.739
know both sides of that world. Well, I'm sure

00:43:24.739 --> 00:43:27.820
that, for instance, I saw it today. People recognize

00:43:27.820 --> 00:43:31.059
you all the time. I'm sure that... That's weird.

00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.960
I'm sure on one hand it's wonderful. But it's

00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.360
slightly famous. A couple people won't take a

00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.300
picture of me. But when I see... Bill Mazie or

00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:43.079
John Cusack or a lot of different people. And

00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.440
sometimes when you're not in good mental health

00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.440
and you've got, and I struggle with that kind

00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.219
of stuff, and you've got to be on and you've

00:43:49.219 --> 00:43:51.840
got to get to here and here and you can't miss

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.440
a beat or else there's so much to do. At the

00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.440
same time, I do really like watching all these

00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.710
very famous people's work. He's got his perks

00:44:01.710 --> 00:44:03.969
to be rich and famous. Who wants to be naked

00:44:03.969 --> 00:44:07.550
and famous? I know this. But at the same time,

00:44:07.590 --> 00:44:10.090
I do think there is an element to it. Like, I

00:44:10.090 --> 00:44:13.489
was just always... I just grew up in such a light.

00:44:13.489 --> 00:44:16.170
My grandma was from Dawson, Georgia. I just came

00:44:16.170 --> 00:44:18.730
from a small place. I just like to be in my room

00:44:18.730 --> 00:44:21.469
by myself doing my thing. I don't like to be

00:44:21.469 --> 00:44:24.130
out all the time. Have you made some friends

00:44:24.130 --> 00:44:25.969
over the years that have helped you with some

00:44:25.969 --> 00:44:28.630
advice or when you're feeling overwhelmed by

00:44:28.630 --> 00:44:30.449
that sort of thing that have helped you through

00:44:30.449 --> 00:44:33.670
some of those times? Or have you just had to

00:44:33.670 --> 00:44:36.550
figure it out on your own? I've been... I feel

00:44:36.550 --> 00:44:39.250
like my life did a 180. Everything was fast.

00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:41.449
Everything was working out. The pandemic came.

00:44:41.590 --> 00:44:44.670
Three of my movies were going to premiere. They

00:44:44.670 --> 00:44:47.070
got scrapped. It happened to a lot of people.

00:44:47.309 --> 00:44:49.650
And in different industries, different versions

00:44:49.650 --> 00:44:52.869
of that. And at first it was agonizing. I thought

00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:55.909
my life was over. I was just so sad about it.

00:44:56.010 --> 00:44:57.909
And then all of a sudden, with my kids and everything,

00:44:58.150 --> 00:45:00.469
I just started to find actual confidence, if

00:45:00.469 --> 00:45:02.329
that makes sense. When you're like, you know

00:45:02.329 --> 00:45:05.630
what? We can... It might come back again, but

00:45:05.630 --> 00:45:08.170
it doesn't matter. Your happiness isn't tied

00:45:08.170 --> 00:45:10.469
to it. Yeah, and I think that makes it better.

00:45:10.929 --> 00:45:13.349
And you've got your family. You have to take

00:45:13.349 --> 00:45:15.670
time to think about it. For a long time, I was

00:45:15.670 --> 00:45:18.110
like, I don't want to be in a big crowd. Very

00:45:18.110 --> 00:45:21.409
short. People act like I'm the person when they're

00:45:21.409 --> 00:45:23.710
looking for how they're going to walk. They always

00:45:23.710 --> 00:45:26.090
walk through the short people. They always pick

00:45:26.090 --> 00:45:28.769
that path. They're like, excuse me. A lot of

00:45:28.769 --> 00:45:33.250
us in this band have a like... a before and an

00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:35.489
after moment kind of thing in our lives whether

00:45:35.489 --> 00:45:38.369
it's the tv or for me like i had my last drink

00:45:38.369 --> 00:45:40.769
eight years ago i'm not entirely sober but i

00:45:40.769 --> 00:45:44.070
don't drink i don't touch alcohol and It's a

00:45:44.070 --> 00:45:46.510
page turn for me. There's a before and an after.

00:45:46.630 --> 00:45:48.650
But in this van, there's not a before and after

00:45:48.650 --> 00:45:51.230
because I've got, Kane and I have the 90s. Laura

00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:54.230
and I, I don't share LA and Athens with anyone

00:45:54.230 --> 00:45:56.210
on the planet other than Laura Wiggins. Like

00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:58.929
we had almost a dozen years there and we both

00:45:58.929 --> 00:46:01.030
have Athens. We're in different decades, but

00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:04.429
we have that shared thing and I don't have to

00:46:04.429 --> 00:46:06.989
explain the jokes. It's just an unspoken. And

00:46:06.989 --> 00:46:10.369
she sang in my dad's funeral and she was there

00:46:10.369 --> 00:46:13.519
for my... ill -fated wedding and helped me not

00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.239
have a second divorce. So that was great. And

00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:19.119
Kane was there in the 90s. But at the same time,

00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.619
when I was a complete disaster, it's such a joy

00:46:21.619 --> 00:46:23.639
to have a new friend in Valor who didn't know

00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.019
that guy. This guy. The new guy. Sometimes it's

00:46:27.019 --> 00:46:29.360
really hard to be different when people expect

00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.599
a certain thing from you. You know what I mean?

00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:36.679
So I know exactly. I like to say that 75 % of

00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.119
the people in my world now are new or post eight

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.360
years ago and the 25 that are not are the best

00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.860
people i've ever known in my life yeah but that

00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:51.699
that that kind of i'm not gonna use the right

00:46:51.699 --> 00:46:53.440
metaphor but that little like choice point that

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.159
little turn mcguffin as they call it in scripts

00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.099
or whatever like you've got a before shameless

00:46:58.099 --> 00:47:00.099
and an after shameless and we were playing songs

00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:03.380
and being silly before shameless like so laura

00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:05.659
can always look to me like it's not a before

00:47:05.659 --> 00:47:08.880
and after because We had songwriting and silliness

00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.860
going on long before any of that stuff. I get

00:47:11.860 --> 00:47:15.340
to sing lead tomorrow. I think it's really cool

00:47:15.340 --> 00:47:17.579
that next time I don't have to sing lead. I'll

00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:19.880
sing backup. It's really cool to be able to be

00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.340
fluid like that and not have your ego involved

00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:24.960
in it because you just get so many new colors.

00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.400
And seeing someone else do it. We do watch everybody

00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.940
do the same scene a thousand times. Sometimes

00:47:30.940 --> 00:47:33.059
you're like, dude, I like their spin on it right

00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:35.289
now. I like that a lot. You spend a lot of time

00:47:35.289 --> 00:47:40.010
reading horror stories. Yep, he learned that.

00:47:40.849 --> 00:47:42.929
It's really, I know everything about my terror.

00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:47.010
I've got an audition I've got to get in due Monday

00:47:47.010 --> 00:47:48.929
morning that Laura's going to help me with on

00:47:48.929 --> 00:47:51.530
Sunday afternoon here. And she and I have been

00:47:51.530 --> 00:47:53.389
reading. When we audition, you have a reader

00:47:53.389 --> 00:47:55.110
on the other side of the camera that no one sees.

00:47:55.789 --> 00:47:57.849
And I've been her reader and she's been my reader.

00:47:57.929 --> 00:48:01.530
We're going on two decades now. It comes as easily

00:48:01.530 --> 00:48:03.650
as playing music together. And it's shockingly

00:48:03.650 --> 00:48:08.309
very similar. Let's try this. The vibe we bring

00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:10.929
to the table in ensemble comedy or ensemble drama

00:48:10.929 --> 00:48:14.230
is super similar to the way that we approach

00:48:14.230 --> 00:48:17.409
music. It's very fluid. We don't commit to anything

00:48:17.409 --> 00:48:20.829
for fear of closing the door on ourselves. The

00:48:20.829 --> 00:48:23.289
best improv take is the one that you haven't

00:48:23.289 --> 00:48:25.510
come up with yet. It's like an epistemological

00:48:25.510 --> 00:48:27.829
circle there, right? Like the more you plan it,

00:48:27.909 --> 00:48:29.969
the more you push it away from yourself. It's

00:48:29.969 --> 00:48:31.710
the happiest. We love the little clever things

00:48:31.710 --> 00:48:34.010
we come up with, and we take those. When we do

00:48:34.010 --> 00:48:35.610
auditions, we're like, let's do that take, let's

00:48:35.610 --> 00:48:37.670
do that take. But it's inevitably the one you

00:48:37.670 --> 00:48:39.389
haven't thought of yet that you find in the moment

00:48:39.389 --> 00:48:40.929
that's the one you end up using that's the best

00:48:40.929 --> 00:48:43.360
one. So we try to create that space with the

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.119
music, too, hopefully, and not sit at Taco Stand

00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.360
talking about the perfect song. I do love Taco

00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.800
Stand. We do love Taco Stand. We want our reward.

00:48:52.179 --> 00:48:54.480
And that Rock Lobster is right over there. I

00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:55.719
think Rock Lobster is still there. I haven't

00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.119
looked at him for a while. Didn't you want to

00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.940
release our 33 and exclusively? He bounces a

00:49:01.940 --> 00:49:04.260
lot of ideas off of me, and some of them sound

00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:05.980
like they might actually go somewhere, and then

00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:07.639
you never hear about it again. That's right.

00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:11.130
And all of a sudden, it's like, hey, guys. We're

00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:13.829
doing this tomorrow. It's never that bad. It's

00:49:13.829 --> 00:49:15.750
never that bad. The nature of the great ideas

00:49:15.750 --> 00:49:18.170
is you've got to be willing to kill the dog and

00:49:18.170 --> 00:49:20.349
have four bad ones for every one. If you've got

00:49:20.349 --> 00:49:22.889
to fully entertain the bad ones in order, if

00:49:22.889 --> 00:49:24.210
you just sit and go, we have to come up with

00:49:24.210 --> 00:49:25.889
the perfect thing, it'll never work. Yeah, for

00:49:25.889 --> 00:49:28.030
five minutes, I was like, let's just release

00:49:28.030 --> 00:49:31.099
a 45 and just... Give it away at Taco Stand if

00:49:31.099 --> 00:49:33.280
anybody spends 30 bucks. And Kane's like, Jonah,

00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.639
how are you going to spend $30 at Taco Stand?

00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.980
$30 now? I'm at Taco Stand. Outside costs like

00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:47.280
$300. That's my cherry coat. Outside is exclusive.

00:49:47.380 --> 00:49:49.559
Just leaving the house costs a lot of money.

00:49:49.900 --> 00:49:52.039
That cherry coat feels good. Y 'all are going

00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.199
to cover a song tomorrow night that I'm super

00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.780
excited about. I'm not sure I've ever heard anybody

00:49:56.780 --> 00:50:00.969
play. Fever dog. Oh. Yeah, me neither. And I'm

00:50:00.969 --> 00:50:02.750
also, like, I'm sitting here thinking about a

00:50:02.750 --> 00:50:05.809
lot of... First of all, like, I grew up on that

00:50:05.809 --> 00:50:10.489
movie. And all my friends, like, I worked at

00:50:10.489 --> 00:50:12.800
a concert venue when I was a kid. So everybody

00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.239
compared to being a William Miller. Okay. Which

00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.239
is Cameron Crowe's autobiographical character.

00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.400
Stillwater is of course based, they're a fictional

00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.739
band based on. Partly on the Allman Brothers.

00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.659
On the Allman Brothers. Yeah. And I'm wondering

00:50:25.659 --> 00:50:27.739
like how, where did the decision to cover the

00:50:27.739 --> 00:50:29.780
first slightly famous, somebody's almost famous

00:50:29.780 --> 00:50:32.800
is like obvious, but I feel like it goes deeper

00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:34.639
than that. Can you just tell me about what the

00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.090
decision to cover, like. to cover that song of

00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:39.769
all songs it actually started off as a segue

00:50:39.769 --> 00:50:42.730
from another song we're doing called 45. it just

00:50:42.730 --> 00:50:46.210
the feel of the two together was a natural segue

00:50:46.210 --> 00:50:49.210
and then once we decided rather than to just

00:50:49.210 --> 00:50:52.289
sting it but to make it its own song yeah it

00:50:52.289 --> 00:50:54.349
got added to the set list it was originally just

00:50:54.349 --> 00:50:55.829
going to be little easter egg at the end of the

00:50:55.829 --> 00:51:01.039
tune However, it's a short song, but in my mind

00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.239
it's a perfect song, and it's got a really good

00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.719
ending for a concert closer, and that might be...

00:51:09.019 --> 00:51:11.380
Well, we've worked with Jason Lee before. Yeah,

00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.840
and in four episodes of mine, those are all that

00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.900
we have. I'm just thinking about all these different

00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:19.179
connections to the song. It makes so much sense

00:51:19.179 --> 00:51:22.019
for you. One of the Athens, Cain's born and raised

00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:24.199
in Athens. Laura is born and raised in O 'Connor

00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.199
County, next county over, but basically Athens.

00:51:26.420 --> 00:51:29.639
And I was here in 91, like in 99. Yeah, I was

00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.820
here for almost a full decade. The one thing

00:51:31.820 --> 00:51:33.920
that Laura and I share that we laugh about all

00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.099
the time is... We, and this was true in 1991

00:51:37.099 --> 00:51:40.280
when I got here, and this is true in 2025 right

00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.400
now. We love being cringy and pissing off all

00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:48.179
the hipsters. I'm also like, I'm just the cringy

00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:51.340
dude with the history records. Embrace the cringy.

00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:56.639
Full on embrace the cringy. So the fever dog

00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.800
is like right within that. If I can make elephant

00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.840
snakes roll their eyes at me, I have one. I got

00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.739
one for you with that account. The last jam cruise

00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:12.219
I did. One of the theme nights was about cooking,

00:52:12.460 --> 00:52:16.300
about food. Oh. And my kid, I have a kid I'm

00:52:16.300 --> 00:52:18.760
immensely proud of named Astrid, and they are

00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.579
working as a teacher, a music teacher in Lexington.

00:52:21.619 --> 00:52:24.519
And also they are in the intern at Wood Songs,

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.880
the folk and bluegrass radio show out of Lexington.

00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.760
And do they play harp, is it? They play cello.

00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:32.659
Am I meant to use that? Their main instrument

00:52:32.659 --> 00:52:34.500
is cello. Their main instrument is cello, yeah.

00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.219
Astrid knows that I like to cork. and made for

00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:41.480
me this really spectacular pink and white frilly

00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:44.239
apron with my name on it. It is so cute. Are

00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:45.300
you going to wear it tomorrow night on your birthday?

00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.440
No, no. I've got something else planned for tomorrow.

00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.099
Okay, okay. That's for special times. The air

00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:54.460
left the room. The only person for special occasions

00:52:54.460 --> 00:52:58.199
like Jam Cruise. But one of the Jam Cruise nights,

00:52:58.260 --> 00:53:00.199
like I said, was about... the cooking and stuff.

00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:01.980
So I said, I'm going to bring the apron and I'm

00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:03.260
going to, I'm going to wear it. I'm going to

00:53:03.260 --> 00:53:06.300
wear it. And so I put on the apron and I'm out

00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:09.000
mingling and I get to, do you know who Stan Moore

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.139
is? Oh yeah. Yeah, of course. So I get this look

00:53:11.139 --> 00:53:16.219
from Stan. What the hell is this white boy doing?

00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:18.699
And I was, I could not have been prouder. I said,

00:53:18.780 --> 00:53:25.739
Hey Stan, my kid made this. It is what it is,

00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:28.320
my friends. It's a great, it's a. I can't, I

00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.139
didn't know they made it. What a great job. Like

00:53:31.139 --> 00:53:35.480
in 91 in Athens, one of those things is there's

00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.480
always two sides of the tracks here and a lot,

00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:40.000
everybody debating what was cool and what was

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.469
not. And I would just roll my eyes and be like,

00:53:42.510 --> 00:53:44.389
let's just go do something and make something

00:53:44.389 --> 00:53:46.289
instead of sitting around and talking about what

00:53:46.289 --> 00:53:49.670
is or is not the thing, right? Back to epistemology.

00:53:49.909 --> 00:53:51.269
Like, we're just going to sit around and talk

00:53:51.269 --> 00:53:52.730
about what the thing is or are we going to go

00:53:52.730 --> 00:53:55.369
make shapes and just start making? And Los Angeles

00:53:55.369 --> 00:53:58.750
really gave me the freedom to let go of it's

00:53:58.750 --> 00:54:00.789
got to be this or it's got to be that or we have

00:54:00.789 --> 00:54:03.489
to create that. Because everyone was talented

00:54:03.489 --> 00:54:05.710
or you wouldn't have shown up. You didn't make

00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:08.750
it to set or on stage if you weren't. So you

00:54:08.750 --> 00:54:10.670
just took out the, aren't they good? enough out

00:54:10.670 --> 00:54:12.829
of it and just assumed everybody's awesome now

00:54:12.829 --> 00:54:15.550
let's make a cake and that's the energy that

00:54:15.550 --> 00:54:17.570
this band has as well it's like the energy of

00:54:17.570 --> 00:54:20.030
Athens Georgia in a lot of ways too I mean we

00:54:20.030 --> 00:54:22.170
just start cooking man I'm not saying that people

00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:25.670
get a pass if they suck but I think like everybody

00:54:25.670 --> 00:54:27.570
gives everybody the benefit of the doubt until

00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:30.269
they have a reason not to everybody lifts each

00:54:30.269 --> 00:54:33.400
other up artistically I've seen Michael Stipe

00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:35.599
used to have a venue called Go Bar and it was

00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.960
like my church over here I love Go Bar so much

00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.159
but one of my favorite things is you could go

00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:44.739
there and it would be like unlistenable to like

00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:48.119
feedback and guitar but it was allowed it was

00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.639
permitted yeah and there's something about allowing

00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.500
it to be there for some reason and just loud

00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:55.900
and in your face and then it turns all of a sudden

00:54:55.900 --> 00:54:58.000
into this other bar where it's really good you

00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:59.420
might have a great thing going through there

00:54:59.420 --> 00:55:02.469
but yeah yeah Just the, like, opportunity to

00:55:02.469 --> 00:55:06.010
just be terrible, but also you have, I don't

00:55:06.010 --> 00:55:08.710
know. Or to just be. Just to be. And not worry

00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:11.110
about whether it's good or not. Some people embrace

00:55:11.110 --> 00:55:14.750
dissonance, you know, more definitely. I don't

00:55:14.750 --> 00:55:16.489
know. It just reminds me of a child. Just being

00:55:16.489 --> 00:55:20.730
like, I enjoy making the noisy mess you are,

00:55:20.949 --> 00:55:23.929
but I don't know. Let them paint the walls. Let

00:55:23.929 --> 00:55:26.429
them hit the pots and pans. In L .A., of course,

00:55:26.469 --> 00:55:29.110
you never know. Everybody's going to try everything

00:55:29.110 --> 00:55:32.050
out there. There's a new take on everything in

00:55:32.050 --> 00:55:37.409
Los Angeles. So I'm here covering Affest. That's

00:55:37.409 --> 00:55:39.369
why I'm in town this weekend. Y 'all are playing

00:55:39.369 --> 00:55:42.570
Affest. Some of you, I'm guessing, have played

00:55:42.570 --> 00:55:46.130
many Affests. Some of you have never played Affest

00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:51.769
before. But I was the intern in 2007. Laura,

00:55:52.150 --> 00:55:53.969
will you tell us about your internship in 2007,

00:55:54.190 --> 00:55:57.280
please? Let's start there. Okay. It was still

00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.280
Troy Aubrey, and there was another guy that was

00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:01.860
doing it, too. I can't remember who it was. I'm

00:56:01.860 --> 00:56:04.800
sorry, that guy. A long time ago. I was going

00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.500
bar to bar, getting the wristbands to the band

00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:10.239
so that it wasn't chaos to get the wristbands.

00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.400
I like the no choice. Whatever bar they were

00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.679
playing at. I keep forgetting. You couldn't just

00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.539
text everybody or anything. I'm finding people

00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:22.920
on MySpace. There is Facebook, but it's only

00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:26.449
college students. I went to, it was called Gainesville

00:56:26.449 --> 00:56:28.670
College, but that's gone now. But, like, I had

00:56:28.670 --> 00:56:31.530
a dual thing. Like, I did high school and college

00:56:31.530 --> 00:56:34.010
at the same time, so I had a faith. But it was

00:56:34.010 --> 00:56:37.110
just chaos. But it was so cool, so much fun.

00:56:37.269 --> 00:56:39.570
And, like, I was even talking to 5 '8". Like,

00:56:39.610 --> 00:56:42.329
they played a rock and relief benefit we did

00:56:42.329 --> 00:56:44.389
for our kid Katrina. And I was like, it's just

00:56:44.389 --> 00:56:47.420
funny how that stuff, like, really, like. it

00:56:47.420 --> 00:56:49.699
gets in your subconscious and the modern spirits

00:56:49.699 --> 00:56:51.659
are back and unfortunately playing while we are

00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:53.199
playing and they're probably tired of me saying

00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.239
this but they were like yeah you're the competition

00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.539
now but it was like they were i mean i went to

00:56:58.539 --> 00:57:01.079
all their shows and they're just old my dad and

00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.039
i would go to the 40 watt together i was always

00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:04.760
proud of him because he was like all right if

00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:06.900
you're gonna rebel then let me come with you

00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.980
And he liked it, too. He liked it, too. My mom

00:57:09.980 --> 00:57:13.000
would just hang out in the back. And the wigs

00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.440
are still killing it. Yeah. I don't have an AthFest

00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:18.860
story because the first AthFest was after I already

00:57:18.860 --> 00:57:23.219
left town. Is this your first AthFest? First

00:57:23.219 --> 00:57:25.699
time I've ever been here for AthFest. So, yeah,

00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.239
I was either in Los Angeles or, yeah, I was always

00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.840
gone when it was invented. So I was here in 91

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.489
to 99. and then coming back a bunch in 2000,

00:57:34.690 --> 00:57:37.789
but I moved to LA in 2003. So I was there 03

00:57:37.789 --> 00:57:45.869
through 2015. I think it's the 25th, but then

00:57:45.869 --> 00:57:48.469
a couple of years didn't happen. Oh yeah, that's

00:57:48.469 --> 00:57:52.039
true. So that means it did start in the 2000s,

00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.920
which is weird. I didn't realize that was the

00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.239
first time that was happening, Ben. My band,

00:57:57.380 --> 00:57:59.699
Shank. Hey, what's up, Shank? We were on one

00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:02.619
of the first AthFest samplers. They used to put

00:58:02.619 --> 00:58:04.519
out... I miss those. They're still doing that,

00:58:04.539 --> 00:58:07.199
aren't they? I miss those. Those are good. Okay,

00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:09.619
there used to be dips that they would put together.

00:58:10.780 --> 00:58:13.340
Orchids. Any band that released an album that

00:58:13.340 --> 00:58:16.360
year was able to submit. And then, yeah, we got

00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.039
a song on there. And we didn't play that year,

00:58:19.179 --> 00:58:21.960
but I was happy to be on the album. And then

00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:26.019
my Afro -Caribbean folkloric drum ensemble called

00:58:26.019 --> 00:58:29.179
Muyuba has played several times, and we've opened

00:58:29.179 --> 00:58:32.260
up some shows. And then I've played twice with

00:58:32.260 --> 00:58:34.519
a reggae band called Maddie Lovejoys on the main

00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.980
stage, and that's always been really fun. And

00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:40.059
there were several years where I was not in town

00:58:40.059 --> 00:58:42.480
for it, and I don't know. I really like that

00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.300
we're doing a night show. This will be my first

00:58:45.300 --> 00:58:48.670
night. show for FFest, which is really the coveted

00:58:48.670 --> 00:58:50.809
time. Weather's supposed to be great. Have you

00:58:50.809 --> 00:58:53.550
ever debuted a band at FFest before? Has anybody

00:58:53.550 --> 00:58:55.429
ever done it? That is a fun thing, though. I'm

00:58:55.429 --> 00:58:58.309
really glad we're doing it. I remember my parents

00:58:58.309 --> 00:59:00.429
used to, when I was a kid, my parents would take

00:59:00.429 --> 00:59:03.329
me to the Friday night movies, and I'd get to

00:59:03.329 --> 00:59:04.889
see a lot of movies that I probably shouldn't

00:59:04.889 --> 00:59:07.969
have seen at age 9 or 10. Stir Crazy, I can remember

00:59:07.969 --> 00:59:09.889
going to see the premiere of that. But one of

00:59:09.889 --> 00:59:13.059
the ones my parents took me to in 1980 was when

00:59:13.059 --> 00:59:16.260
Bo Derek married John Derek, the movie 10. And

00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.559
she's running down the beach. And I remember

00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.800
the trailer specifically saying, and introducing

00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:26.139
Bo Derek. And I remember turning to my mom, even

00:59:26.139 --> 00:59:28.519
at that age of eight or nine years old, going,

00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.300
how can she be the star of the movie if this

00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:34.840
is her first movie? And not that we're the stars

00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.500
of AthFest, but like, this is our first gig and

00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:39.920
we're playing AthFest. It's pretty, pretty cool.

00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:43.530
So I've been half winking at. Introducing slightly

00:59:43.530 --> 00:59:48.809
famous somebodies. We're introducing. Yeah. That's

00:59:48.809 --> 00:59:50.449
part of the fun. You've got to show up to see

00:59:50.449 --> 00:59:52.429
who's going to show up, and you never know when

00:59:52.429 --> 00:59:55.239
the next one will be. How many F -Fests have

00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.079
you played? Fests in general. I've played a lot

00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.219
of festivals. I feel like we'd be here all night.

01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.860
Part of it is that the Allman Brothers founded

01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:09.719
two festivals. So I've played both of those multiple

01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.539
times, but many others besides. But no, this

01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:15.420
is my first time at F -Fest. I've lived what's

01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:19.119
a fantastic fest and a terrible fest experience.

01:00:19.900 --> 01:00:22.219
Not the fest itself, but like one that, I don't

01:00:22.219 --> 01:00:24.019
know, rain or mud, and another one that was just

01:00:24.019 --> 01:00:27.239
unbelievably rewarding and wonderful. The rewarding

01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.019
and wonderful one would have been Wakarusa in

01:00:30.019 --> 01:00:34.099
Kansas. Oh, wow. It was hot as monkeys out there.

01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:36.280
It was terribly hot, but the music went on until

01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.519
about six in the morning, and we played the same

01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.829
tense that Buckethead had played. Oh, wow. That

01:00:42.829 --> 01:00:45.929
brings back some memories. So I got to see Buckethead

01:00:45.929 --> 01:00:48.369
and be backstage. I didn't get to talk to him

01:00:48.369 --> 01:00:50.010
or see him without the bucket and the wig or

01:00:50.010 --> 01:00:52.590
whatever, but I did at least share hair with

01:00:52.590 --> 01:00:55.190
Buckethead, and that was pretty cool. In terms

01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:58.050
of... Wait, that's a wig? It's a bank seat. Just

01:00:58.050 --> 01:01:01.849
kidding. It's not his real head. It's like Rick

01:01:01.849 --> 01:01:04.010
and Morty when they take the thing off. The four

01:01:04.010 --> 01:01:05.989
-four times guy, and he just has the mustache

01:01:05.989 --> 01:01:08.110
and really white face. That's how he looks like.

01:01:09.869 --> 01:01:12.210
I know him, too. I know him, too, Miller. I had

01:01:12.210 --> 01:01:15.030
a prog jam band for a while I was in called Bonobos

01:01:15.030 --> 01:01:17.530
Convergence. It was a couple of guys from an

01:01:17.530 --> 01:01:20.409
Orlando jam band called Kinda who had moved up

01:01:20.409 --> 01:01:22.429
to Atlanta, and they were looking to hire a bass

01:01:22.429 --> 01:01:25.030
player, and I auditioned to play bass and guitar

01:01:25.030 --> 01:01:26.670
because that's what I was doing with my fusion

01:01:26.670 --> 01:01:29.630
band at the time. Simultaneously? Yeah. What

01:01:29.630 --> 01:01:32.590
I would do is I have a MIDI pickup on my guitar,

01:01:32.650 --> 01:01:35.309
and I would send the low two strings to a Moog

01:01:35.309 --> 01:01:39.280
synthesizer so I could play. bass lines and chords.

01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.139
Baylor, that's... Wow. Heavy magic. Charlie Hunter

01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:48.260
moved to Greensboro. Charlie Hunter went to high

01:01:48.260 --> 01:01:49.960
school with my friend Galadriel. Sometimes when

01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.179
we are on the spectrum, that's one of the benefits

01:01:52.179 --> 01:01:54.519
of being on the spectrum. You're still like,

01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:57.539
I'm excited to do that. Bunbo's Convergence was

01:01:57.539 --> 01:02:01.199
hired to play a solar -powered festival in central

01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.360
Florida, just outside Orlando. They were going

01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.070
to solar power the whole thing. The problem is

01:02:06.070 --> 01:02:08.789
our organist, Pete, played through a real B3.

01:02:09.030 --> 01:02:13.190
And what happens with the B3 is that it spins

01:02:13.190 --> 01:02:17.849
its tone wheels based upon the cycles that's

01:02:17.849 --> 01:02:20.610
coming from the plug. And the cycles we were

01:02:20.610 --> 01:02:23.190
getting from the sun mean it was out of tune

01:02:23.190 --> 01:02:27.429
the entire self. So not only was it hot, no shade,

01:02:27.570 --> 01:02:29.969
in the middle of a field, in the middle of summer

01:02:29.969 --> 01:02:33.989
in Orlando, but... We were out of tune the entire

01:02:33.989 --> 01:02:36.030
slow is there a friend of any idea that was gonna

01:02:36.030 --> 01:02:38.690
happen Is there a free jazz song in your future?

01:02:38.849 --> 01:02:41.670
Solar Hammond, it's like intentionally you're

01:02:41.670 --> 01:02:48.190
waffling tuning the whole the solar Hammond I'm

01:02:48.190 --> 01:02:50.570
wondering if they've figured out a way. Because

01:02:50.570 --> 01:02:52.130
I feel like that's probably one of the first

01:02:52.130 --> 01:02:54.849
times everybody's tried to run a Hammond on solar

01:02:54.849 --> 01:02:58.369
power. It sounds like a terrible idea. That might

01:02:58.369 --> 01:03:00.230
be the new code for whenever a bad idea comes

01:03:00.230 --> 01:03:02.409
up, you just go, nope, solar Hammond. But we

01:03:02.409 --> 01:03:05.010
don't know that. We don't know that. It's a solar

01:03:05.010 --> 01:03:06.730
Hammond. We're not doing that. We don't know

01:03:06.730 --> 01:03:08.809
that. I like the idea. You've got a whole new

01:03:08.809 --> 01:03:10.789
language tonight. I love the idea. Solar Hammond

01:03:10.789 --> 01:03:13.800
is now the... Nope! Instead of 86. If it was

01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.840
a heat. Pajama Neff. We got it. Pajama Neff.

01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:19.039
That's how we came up with the spectrum. Pajama

01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:23.699
Neff and the Solar Hammond. Holy shit. It's his

01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:29.139
new band. His 150th band. Somebody was going

01:03:29.139 --> 01:03:31.960
to run a festival in Florida off of mosquitoes

01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.300
and humidity. Y 'all would be blown. Ooh. I shouldn't

01:03:37.300 --> 01:03:39.780
make fans. The non -covered. I will be a good,

01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:44.159
I will be a, I thought that was Charleston because

01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.800
there's R that sounds like a freaking bird. But,

01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.500
we'll be making our, our yearly trip to Florida

01:03:49.500 --> 01:03:52.900
Snow White. We'd love. But then there's all these

01:03:52.900 --> 01:03:57.340
jokes we can make. So you guys just wrapped up

01:03:57.340 --> 01:04:00.880
your debut record. Today? Pretty much. A couple

01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.239
overdub harmonies on Sunday, but yeah, we're

01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:04.579
pretty trapped. And that's got a pajama and his

01:04:04.579 --> 01:04:06.920
parts in. Right. You got it. We'll fly in the

01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:09.860
pajama parts. You got it. So a little email mixies

01:04:09.860 --> 01:04:11.760
back and forth, but yeah, it's basically done.

01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.019
We've already got three singles out there all

01:04:15.019 --> 01:04:17.239
over all the streaming services, and we're going

01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.199
to keep releasing a single every couple of months

01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:21.719
for a while, but this was like a planned... We

01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.119
wanted to be the band that's... We're playing

01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.039
the first show, and then we'll see you in six

01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.300
months. Bye. Because we all got lives. We all

01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:31.480
got... stuff. So you're not touring? Never. Never.

01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:35.099
We'll see you in January at the Rock Lobsters.

01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:40.579
How about that? Let me just go around the room

01:04:40.579 --> 01:04:42.800
before we totally wrap this up. Yeah, cool. Tell

01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:46.360
me what you're working on there, and then we'll

01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:47.880
just go around the room. Tell me what you've

01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.719
got. People can find you, what you want to promote,

01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:53.400
whatever you want to plug. So I just wrapped

01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:57.780
season five of my series, The Albums I've Missed,

01:04:57.780 --> 01:05:01.000
and there is a season six in the works, but before

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.900
that comes out, I will have an album coming out.

01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.480
For season three of my series, which was a deep

01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.300
dive into prog rock and specifically the Canterbury

01:05:09.300 --> 01:05:13.579
scene, I wrote original music for every episode,

01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:17.440
and I've used all of that music. 45 minutes of

01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:19.599
music all together. Oh, man. So I've got all

01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:22.280
the demos done, so now I'm just retracking everything,

01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:24.559
getting a couple of additional musicians in.

01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:26.699
God Bulletin' and The Crick Don't Rise, it'll

01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:28.380
be out by the end of the year. Who else playing?

01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:30.699
You got Eric Sanders. Who else on that way? Vinny

01:05:30.699 --> 01:05:32.519
D 'Agostino is going to be playing some flute

01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.179
and some other reeds on it. That's quite the

01:05:34.179 --> 01:05:36.460
name. Yeah. That is the best. If you remember,

01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:38.460
you know who Puddles the Clown is? Of course.

01:05:38.539 --> 01:05:40.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Word out right now. Yeah, yeah.

01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.340
He had a... an Elvis tribute band in town for

01:05:43.340 --> 01:05:45.639
a while called King Size. King Size, yeah. And

01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.199
I actually subbed for their guitarist New Year's

01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.539
Eve at the Claremont Lounge one time. Ah, fuck.

01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:56.559
Legendary. Yeah. But yeah, so Vinny was King

01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.139
Size's reed player forever. Oh, okay. So that's

01:05:59.139 --> 01:06:01.500
how I met him. Aside from Eric, my friend Brooke

01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:04.280
Smith, who played with the Grapes, yeah, he's...

01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:07.980
Eric and Brooks and I are a trio called the Yeti

01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:11.239
Trio. Very loud, odd meter fusion. The best.

01:06:11.460 --> 01:06:13.880
Yeah, but I've got some other folks I'm not prepared

01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.000
to say just yet because I don't have all the

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.500
details yet, but maybe a Zappa alum or two might

01:06:19.500 --> 01:06:21.599
show up on this album. Oh, man, I'm obsessed

01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:24.480
with Zappa. Yeah. Oh, Mike Camillo? I think it

01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.340
would be a smart choice. They would be in good

01:06:27.340 --> 01:06:28.940
company, talented company. And of course you've

01:06:28.940 --> 01:06:30.659
got, just to plug you a little bit, you've got

01:06:30.659 --> 01:06:33.739
the Jam Cruise Masters, Gambit C, and you've

01:06:33.739 --> 01:06:35.900
got your brothers. brother and sister but the

01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:38.579
next kind of thing where you can see me and learn

01:06:38.579 --> 01:06:41.940
from me is Roots Rock Revival the last week in

01:06:41.940 --> 01:06:46.320
July at Full Moon Resort in the Catskills it's

01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.099
me It's Luther and Cody Dickinson of the North

01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:51.179
Mississippi All -Stars. I just had their assistant

01:06:51.179 --> 01:06:53.820
producer at my house. Oh, okay. Cody Shade Harrell.

01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:55.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's Cedric's bass player.

01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Ray Holliman, who is

01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:00.039
with North Mississippi All -Stars. Nth Power

01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.980
with Nikki Glaspie. Oh, wow. Powerhouse. Dillick

01:07:02.980 --> 01:07:06.019
and Starchild from P -Funk. What? P -Funk's from

01:07:06.019 --> 01:07:08.659
my backyard. Yeah. Shout out to... So we just

01:07:08.659 --> 01:07:10.980
took the slightly out. Now we're in famous people.

01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:14.980
So it's a camp my dad started. 11 years ago,

01:07:15.139 --> 01:07:17.820
and so I've taken over his spots. You ever been

01:07:17.820 --> 01:07:19.659
over to the North Mississippi Hill Country Picnic?

01:07:19.780 --> 01:07:21.760
I haven't, no. It's happening next week. I know,

01:07:21.940 --> 01:07:23.920
no, I have not. I haven't had a chance to do

01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:26.300
that. Yeah, I've known the Harrell brothers a

01:07:26.300 --> 01:07:28.780
long time. Cool. They played my house last Friday.

01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:31.480
Nice. Their episode will be out Monday. Yeah,

01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.059
have you heard the new North Mississippi All

01:07:33.059 --> 01:07:35.199
-Stars album yet? We listened to it after their

01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.920
set. Yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. I think it came

01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:40.719
out like that day. Yeah, they're still releasing

01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.940
singles. I know. Yeah, that's honestly like the

01:07:43.940 --> 01:07:47.260
North Mississippi All Stars were like the band

01:07:47.260 --> 01:07:51.900
that routed me into blues and Americana from

01:07:51.900 --> 01:07:55.280
just like my rebelling against that shit going

01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.920
on. You know what I mean? So that stuff's really

01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.079
like Hill Country Blues is really important.

01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.739
And Luther is one of the nicest, most grounded

01:08:03.739 --> 01:08:06.420
folks. Cody is a joy to work with and a joy to

01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:08.500
talk to as well. But Luther and I, since we share

01:08:08.500 --> 01:08:10.320
an instrument, we talk all the time. Oh, yeah.

01:08:11.150 --> 01:08:12.610
I love his playing, too. I love your playing.

01:08:12.650 --> 01:08:15.650
I'll either have been a huge fan of Scott, as

01:08:15.650 --> 01:08:17.029
long as I can remember. He really is a small

01:08:17.029 --> 01:08:19.369
world, though. Yeah. The Harrell brothers, I've

01:08:19.369 --> 01:08:22.189
known them 25 years. Oh, wow. Okay, wow. That's

01:08:22.189 --> 01:08:24.229
great. What's Junior Kimbrough, then? Oh, I don't

01:08:24.229 --> 01:08:27.949
know him, but, you know, of course. Some of his

01:08:27.949 --> 01:08:30.770
songs would get him canceled these days. And

01:08:30.770 --> 01:08:32.949
speaking of Zappa, I just wanted to, I almost

01:08:32.949 --> 01:08:34.550
brought this up earlier, but when you were talking

01:08:34.550 --> 01:08:37.170
about keeping the Grateful Dead's music and the

01:08:37.170 --> 01:08:40.210
spirit of their music alive, I think that's really

01:08:40.210 --> 01:08:42.869
important. I went and saw Zappa Play Zappa. I've

01:08:42.869 --> 01:08:45.510
seen them several times. And it's the same thing.

01:08:45.609 --> 01:08:48.270
There's only certain people that can keep that

01:08:48.270 --> 01:08:50.250
music alive. So I think it's really important

01:08:50.250 --> 01:08:52.550
that you're doing that. It's amazing, man. It's

01:08:52.550 --> 01:08:54.550
the reason why I started Brother and Sister.

01:08:54.829 --> 01:08:57.569
I took my inspiration directly from Zappa Play

01:08:57.569 --> 01:09:01.050
Zappa. There's a lot of Allman Brothers tribute

01:09:01.050 --> 01:09:04.470
acts out there. They tend to come in two categories.

01:09:04.689 --> 01:09:06.689
Those that... Don't give a shit about the form

01:09:06.689 --> 01:09:09.050
of the song. I just want to jam. And those that

01:09:09.050 --> 01:09:10.750
are trying to put on a stage show and play the

01:09:10.750 --> 01:09:12.890
solos note for note. And neither one of them

01:09:12.890 --> 01:09:14.649
has anything to do with the original intent of

01:09:14.649 --> 01:09:17.149
the band. So I said, I would like, if anyone's

01:09:17.149 --> 01:09:18.850
going to do this, I guess it's on me because

01:09:18.850 --> 01:09:22.170
I know how. So I put together a group of musicians

01:09:22.170 --> 01:09:24.369
that I felt could execute that. And it's not

01:09:24.369 --> 01:09:26.109
a full -time thing. It's not something that we

01:09:26.109 --> 01:09:29.069
chase a lot. We don't tour that much. But that

01:09:29.069 --> 01:09:31.090
was the reason why the band started. But it's

01:09:31.090 --> 01:09:33.310
an essence instead of a show. It's like the core

01:09:33.310 --> 01:09:37.050
essence. It's me treating the music of the Allman

01:09:37.050 --> 01:09:40.189
Brothers as a body of work to be executed like

01:09:40.189 --> 01:09:43.750
a small chamber ensemble. So improvise when it

01:09:43.750 --> 01:09:45.510
says improvise. Don't play a solo note for note.

01:09:45.590 --> 01:09:47.510
But more than anything else, get the intentionality

01:09:47.510 --> 01:09:50.069
of the song and the composed parts correct. And

01:09:50.069 --> 01:09:53.869
so many people screw that up. It's really, I

01:09:53.869 --> 01:09:58.109
think, a blessing to have people that know how

01:09:58.109 --> 01:10:00.810
to play that music the right way. whether it

01:10:00.810 --> 01:10:03.390
be the Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa, Allman Brothers,

01:10:03.609 --> 01:10:07.680
to choose to do that. So thank you both for doing

01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:10.140
that. You talked about some of your projects.

01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:13.159
I ain't got nothing that cool. Just recapping.

01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:15.699
Yeah, just small. Yeah, so I've got a small role

01:10:15.699 --> 01:10:18.079
on Murdoch Murders. It's coming out on Hulu in

01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:21.359
October. And a small movie I did in New Orleans

01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:23.420
called The Designer that's coming out next fall.

01:10:23.779 --> 01:10:27.039
And yeah, I'm just, I'm looking forward to the

01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.659
next. It's weird in our acting world. We're all

01:10:29.659 --> 01:10:32.119
under NDAs, non -disclosure agreements now is

01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:33.640
the way it works. So it's like they're really

01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.199
hardcore about what you can talk about and what

01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.039
you can't. chant and all that. But I'm finally,

01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:39.239
the best way I can say this, I'm finally in a

01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.960
place where I can't talk about it. For a while,

01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:43.659
it was just crickets and I had nothing to talk

01:10:43.659 --> 01:10:45.760
about. So it's good to have a place where I can't

01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:47.800
talk about it again. I think that everybody's

01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:49.840
really excited to see what you got coming. Thank

01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.359
you. I'm thrilled for a long time. Laura and

01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:56.180
I were, I'll be perfectly honest, because we

01:10:56.180 --> 01:10:59.279
had really good runs in Los Angeles. By any standard

01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:02.039
you can count. Coming home to Georgia, we both

01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.710
thought would be like this big victory lap. And

01:11:04.710 --> 01:11:07.090
we both found that, like, Georgia was like, no,

01:11:07.229 --> 01:11:09.210
we're going to prove that we can do it as good

01:11:09.210 --> 01:11:11.869
as L .A. can. So they ignored us. And I'm like,

01:11:11.869 --> 01:11:13.229
wait, I'm on your team, guys. They're like, we

01:11:13.229 --> 01:11:15.250
want the Georgia choice. And you two, ironically,

01:11:15.430 --> 01:11:18.289
can never be the Georgia choice. So that, we've

01:11:18.289 --> 01:11:20.909
now outlived that. And it's now come full circle.

01:11:21.069 --> 01:11:23.729
And now everybody's got to compete on the field.

01:11:24.670 --> 01:11:27.750
And the great thing about that is now motherfuckers

01:11:27.750 --> 01:11:29.390
got to compete with us again. It was funny. I

01:11:29.390 --> 01:11:31.909
made more movies in Georgia when I lived in L

01:11:31.909 --> 01:11:34.340
.A. Yeah. I had a lot of things. A lot of things

01:11:34.340 --> 01:11:36.859
have changed. Some of it wasn't all this. We

01:11:36.859 --> 01:11:39.460
had studios. Never been readjusting. There was

01:11:39.460 --> 01:11:41.420
a casting director that was just saying, it's

01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:43.520
not that the industry left Hollywood. It's just

01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:45.500
you can live wherever you want to now. And so

01:11:45.500 --> 01:11:49.159
it's just not only in Los Angeles. It's not just

01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:51.739
in New York. It was a bumpy five years since

01:11:51.739 --> 01:11:54.319
the pandemic, but I truly feel like we are just

01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:56.760
rounding that corner now. I mean, for us and

01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:58.859
where we come from and our shared experience

01:11:58.859 --> 01:12:01.159
as things go. So Laura's got some new action

01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:04.680
happening too. Had a movie premiere last weekend.

01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.380
Yeah. We did, and that one is fine. It was shot

01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:09.920
in Hyderabad, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, it was.

01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:12.899
The first movie shot at Athena Studios. We shot

01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:16.020
it in four days with a local. He does music videos,

01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:18.800
but he's one of those guys I was like, I just

01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.619
knew he could shoot really well. So if it's going

01:12:21.619 --> 01:12:23.020
to be a beautiful project. I mean, a lot of directors

01:12:23.020 --> 01:12:26.529
started with music videos. Dave Fincher. Yeah,

01:12:26.750 --> 01:12:32.329
absolutely. With some good actors. But yes, we

01:12:32.329 --> 01:12:34.949
have American Deadbolt and I'm hoping it will

01:12:34.949 --> 01:12:38.390
come out on streaming or we'll see where it goes

01:12:38.390 --> 01:12:41.609
next. But it's just fully Athens artists. Like

01:12:41.609 --> 01:12:44.529
we have, like there's Jade Hernandez is from

01:12:44.529 --> 01:12:47.350
here. She does a lot of the Flying Squid comedy.

01:12:47.869 --> 01:12:52.199
Clifton and Jason. Jason. Does a lot of stuff

01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:54.399
here in Athens. He's also at Landon and Clifton.

01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:56.720
It was his first movie. It's all this cool stuff.

01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.560
We shot it with like the lights were already

01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.859
in the ceiling. So the director was so good with

01:13:04.859 --> 01:13:07.500
his light. He can't hear, but he can light. So

01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:10.159
Brian could like just make this beautiful. It's

01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:12.460
just beautiful. We had the students helping us.

01:13:13.020 --> 01:13:15.899
We got shut down for the strike. We got shut

01:13:15.899 --> 01:13:19.420
down from a tornado. And it just, everybody was

01:13:19.420 --> 01:13:22.439
like, no. Chris Hines, we are making this film.

01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:24.859
It's happening. He was the producer. And it's

01:13:24.859 --> 01:13:26.899
just cool to see that kind of. I feel like in

01:13:26.899 --> 01:13:29.640
other places, it would be hard for actors to

01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.199
want to actually make that happen. And do everything

01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:34.060
in their power. Like, we're not getting paid

01:13:34.060 --> 01:13:36.380
extra. We're not. There's absolutely nothing

01:13:36.380 --> 01:13:39.359
in it for us. But everybody just wanted to. Well,

01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:43.380
on the Rise All Ships ensemble energy. is like

01:13:43.380 --> 01:13:45.300
hard to harness you can't manipulate that and

01:13:45.300 --> 01:13:47.060
plan that and they were able to capture that

01:13:47.060 --> 01:13:49.279
they had that it just like when it clicks it

01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:51.439
works and it's oh i'm gonna feel it here but

01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.020
it's like you have a support system and it's

01:13:53.020 --> 01:13:55.659
the sum of the parts is bigger yeah is there

01:13:55.659 --> 01:13:57.779
anything else that you can talk about right now

01:13:57.779 --> 01:14:01.800
we both i'll do this we both have new headshots

01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.079
with the coolest i've been taking it i've been

01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:05.600
taking but here check this isn't even about me

01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.680
i've been doing headshots for 25 years and i've

01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:11.079
got the best photographer i've ever worked with

01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:14.670
in my life Josh Stringer and Laura's shooting

01:14:14.670 --> 01:14:17.289
with him next week. And I've never, he's from

01:14:17.289 --> 01:14:19.470
New Orleans and we just had a vibe and hit it

01:14:19.470 --> 01:14:22.430
off. And it's, it ain't about look through their

01:14:22.430 --> 01:14:24.449
book. It's about people and it's about connections.

01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.340
And I've never connected with a director of photography,

01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.460
a cinematographer, or a still photographer the

01:14:30.460 --> 01:14:32.539
way I did with him. And they're freaking great.

01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:34.899
And I'm already getting appointments left and

01:14:34.899 --> 01:14:36.840
right off of them. So I'm promoting Josh Stringer

01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:38.399
and Laura's shooting with him next week. Awesome.

01:14:38.539 --> 01:14:40.739
So y 'all just keep that in mind. You've got

01:14:40.739 --> 01:14:45.579
shots from Jonathan Spencer. No, watch American

01:14:45.579 --> 01:14:50.619
Deadbolt. If Landon Ashworth's Go On premieres

01:14:50.619 --> 01:14:52.340
soon, then that's the other film that's coming

01:14:52.340 --> 01:14:54.840
out. I've done a lot more indies. And there's

01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:56.939
another one that we're hoping a Western that

01:14:56.939 --> 01:14:59.380
might turn up that I'll be able to go out and

01:14:59.380 --> 01:15:01.840
do like in Tombstone and stuff. But we're just,

01:15:01.899 --> 01:15:04.359
we're still like fingers crossed. But I guess

01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:06.439
I'm starting to feel better enough to like actually

01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:07.960
say something. Save your Ellie Mae Clampett outfit

01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:11.819
there. No, I got to do the whole. The ingenue

01:15:11.819 --> 01:15:15.569
that's going out to the West. To save my husband.

01:15:15.869 --> 01:15:17.970
And then she's got to go through the journey

01:15:17.970 --> 01:15:21.689
and grow up. The story. Turn a room full of guys

01:15:21.689 --> 01:15:24.890
into a fine red mist. Cain, you're about to have

01:15:24.890 --> 01:15:27.189
a big tour. You got a big tour coming, right?

01:15:27.229 --> 01:15:30.050
Yeah, I got a lot of things. Cosmic Charlie is

01:15:30.050 --> 01:15:32.949
keeping me pretty busy. And we got a Northeast

01:15:32.949 --> 01:15:37.149
tour coming up and then a Midwest tour. And that's

01:15:37.149 --> 01:15:40.010
a lot to juggle with everything else in my life.

01:15:40.170 --> 01:15:43.279
This project has been, we've been... finishing

01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:46.479
up this album. Once that's complete, we're going

01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:49.659
to work on one of my songs called Walking Song

01:15:49.659 --> 01:15:52.880
that is an instrumental that I already released

01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:55.659
last year on a different album that was a benefit

01:15:55.659 --> 01:15:58.539
album for Project Safe. And Lauren, we're going

01:15:58.539 --> 01:16:00.520
to workshop it and try to add some lyrics to

01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:02.840
it and take it in a new direction and make it

01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.100
slightly famous style and do the stacked harmonies

01:16:06.100 --> 01:16:07.600
and all that beautiful stuff that we've been

01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.939
doing in the studio. Because the studio is like

01:16:09.939 --> 01:16:12.020
our other, it's like another instrument for us.

01:16:12.510 --> 01:16:14.350
So we're really looking forward to that. It's

01:16:14.350 --> 01:16:16.329
definitely got a cool aspect, too. It's got a

01:16:16.329 --> 01:16:20.649
very open... It's cool. And I've just been working

01:16:20.649 --> 01:16:23.710
on... I've got other studio sessions booked for

01:16:23.710 --> 01:16:26.229
summer with some other bands. People are calling.

01:16:26.529 --> 01:16:28.630
But also, it's just nice to sit on the porch

01:16:28.630 --> 01:16:31.189
every once in a while, especially when you spend

01:16:31.189 --> 01:16:35.930
a lot of time in a van. Oh, good job. So I do

01:16:35.930 --> 01:16:38.170
live out in the country, and nobody can find

01:16:38.170 --> 01:16:40.630
me. But if you want to find me online, it's drummer

01:16:40.630 --> 01:16:44.449
.kanestanley .com. It's K -A -N -E -S -T -A -N

01:16:44.449 --> 01:16:46.869
-L -E -Y .com. And I'll make sure that there's

01:16:46.869 --> 01:16:48.869
links to all of his stuff in the description.

01:16:49.130 --> 01:16:53.949
I really appreciate y 'all sitting down and talking

01:16:53.949 --> 01:16:57.510
with me. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah, it's

01:16:57.510 --> 01:17:00.069
fun. Is there anything else y 'all want to...

01:17:00.069 --> 01:17:03.270
Anything you think that people need to know before

01:17:03.270 --> 01:17:05.810
we cut this off? I don't think so. Give a shout

01:17:05.810 --> 01:17:07.909
out to our official band photographer, Mike White.

01:17:08.090 --> 01:17:13.550
Mike White. Yeah. He's been amazing. Our co -producer

01:17:13.550 --> 01:17:17.270
with me, Chris Byron. Jesse Magnum also co -produced.

01:17:17.289 --> 01:17:20.729
He's also a spy. I'm going to get to the bottom

01:17:20.729 --> 01:17:22.710
of it. You know about Mike White's spy? Chris

01:17:22.710 --> 01:17:25.390
Byron has been our co -producer on a majority

01:17:25.390 --> 01:17:27.470
of the record. He's been an incredible partner.

01:17:28.350 --> 01:17:31.250
And a huge shout out to Nucci Space in Athens,

01:17:31.310 --> 01:17:36.029
Georgia. One of the most amazing organizations

01:17:36.029 --> 01:17:38.170
in the world. I was there when they broke ground

01:17:38.170 --> 01:17:40.909
for that. And I've been there in their journey.

01:17:40.949 --> 01:17:43.270
I've worked there too. And it's been a huge part

01:17:43.270 --> 01:17:45.609
of Athens since they started. And this is Nucci,

01:17:45.689 --> 01:17:50.090
N -U -C -I dot O -R -G. Irrationalist. This is

01:17:50.090 --> 01:17:51.770
not the first time we've talked about new cheese.

01:17:51.770 --> 01:17:55.229
I could go all night about that. I would love

01:17:55.229 --> 01:17:57.569
to have a conversation about new cheese sometimes.

01:17:57.829 --> 01:18:00.850
And that's our official rehearsal studio, apparently.

01:18:01.170 --> 01:18:03.329
And of course, Kevin Kinney and Anna Kinney,

01:18:03.350 --> 01:18:05.720
who started this whole thing for us. because

01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:08.220
we were invited by Hannah to contribute to the

01:18:08.220 --> 01:18:11.579
Lady Tribute songwriting. So they're really the

01:18:11.579 --> 01:18:14.619
impetus that started that. This was so much fun.

01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.479
Thank you. Thank you all so much. Thank you for

01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:23.180
everything. As you can tell, I had a great time

01:18:23.180 --> 01:18:27.699
interviewing them. And their show was awesome.

01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:31.899
They played right after Bubba Sparks. It was

01:18:31.899 --> 01:18:36.329
a party already. And when she said, when Laura

01:18:36.329 --> 01:18:38.069
said she was going to put a spell on us, she

01:18:38.069 --> 01:18:42.010
was not lying, man. It was awesome. Check out

01:18:42.010 --> 01:18:45.250
their music. Their album is coming out in the

01:18:45.250 --> 01:18:48.170
next few weeks. I'll definitely let you know

01:18:48.170 --> 01:18:51.569
when it is. Make sure to check out Valor Trucks'

01:18:51.689 --> 01:18:54.949
YouTube channel where he's listening to all those

01:18:54.949 --> 01:18:58.670
records. There's a link in the description. Check

01:18:58.670 --> 01:19:03.300
out Brother and Sister. He and Melody, his sister's

01:19:03.300 --> 01:19:05.880
tribute to the Allman Brothers that he talked

01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:09.579
about in that interview. Of course, you can catch

01:19:09.579 --> 01:19:13.159
Laura Wiggins on Shameless. That's still on Netflix.

01:19:14.020 --> 01:19:16.020
I encourage you, if you've never watched that

01:19:16.020 --> 01:19:17.880
show, definitely check it out. It's a classic.

01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:22.140
She's also got American Deadbolt out now. I don't

01:19:22.140 --> 01:19:24.760
know that it's being shown at some film festivals.

01:19:25.420 --> 01:19:28.300
I'm not sure that you can watch it yet, but I

01:19:28.300 --> 01:19:32.659
would petition. whoever you can to make it so

01:19:32.659 --> 01:19:35.439
that you can see it. It was shot entirely in

01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.939
Athens, Georgia. Jonathan Spencer, he's got the

01:19:38.939 --> 01:19:41.720
Murdoch murders coming out, as he talked about.

01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.319
Also, just check out his IMDb page. I promise

01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:47.939
you've seen him in like a million things. Kane

01:19:47.939 --> 01:19:51.460
Stanley is on tour right now with Cosmic Charlie.

01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:54.939
I'm hoping to have him back on the podcast, especially

01:19:54.939 --> 01:19:57.260
since he was a little bit late. He was picking

01:19:57.260 --> 01:20:01.079
up the passes for the band. when we started the

01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.180
interview so he had to come a little late but

01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:06.479
hoping to talk to him a little bit more next

01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:10.319
week we've got Jen Bryant check my mail if you

01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:13.739
would please Jen she's the webmaster for the

01:20:13.739 --> 01:20:16.699
drive -by truckers and has been since the late

01:20:16.699 --> 01:20:22.920
90s really one of the first webmasters and I

01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:26.619
would assume probably the longest running webmaster

01:20:26.619 --> 01:20:30.880
in music If anybody's been doing it longer than

01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:34.439
like 26, 27 years, send me an email. I'd love

01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:38.100
to have you on the show as well. We have a great

01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:40.840
conversation. She tells me all about how she

01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:47.199
first met the drive -by truckers and how she

01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:50.460
just made a website before anybody even thought

01:20:50.460 --> 01:20:54.680
about making websites. She also explains the

01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:58.500
origin. of the lyric where her name gets dropped

01:20:58.500 --> 01:21:00.859
in hell no i ain't happy so make sure you hit

01:21:00.859 --> 01:21:05.180
that subscribe button and tune in next week please

01:21:05.180 --> 01:21:09.000
donate if you're able there's links on all the

01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:12.380
platforms and on my website feddon .net f -e

01:21:12.380 --> 01:21:16.180
-d -d -u -n .net thanks again to the sloan brothers

01:21:16.180 --> 01:21:21.659
for the theme song thanks to lee baines for inspiring

01:21:21.659 --> 01:21:24.979
the title thanks for listening y 'all